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Ishaq Dar responds to query on PML-N’s sudden focus on judiciary reforms
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16Today is my first program on IYY, so I think it is especially important for me.
00:21So we thought we should start this program with a person who really matters.
00:27And why? I will tell you that too.
00:30As we speak, the political tension in this country is at its peak.
00:34Judicial conflict is at its peak.
00:36This morning, there was a very important case, a review petition.
00:40And this was on 63A.
00:43Do you remember when a controversial decision was made on 63A?
00:47In which it was said that if a member votes against his party on vote of no confidence, budget, etc.
00:55then after that the party leader can disqualify him.
00:59The decision on 63A was made, in which it was said that your vote will not count and you will be disqualified.
01:05And after that we saw that there were big political changes in the Punjab government.
01:10Today that bench was sitting, and Justice Munjeeb Akhtar did not sit.
01:15And after that another public spat started between Chief Justice and Justice Munjeeb Akhtar.
01:21And now this bench will sit tomorrow.
01:23If tomorrow this bench, this review petition, if tomorrow or in the next two days someone makes a decision
01:28and this decision on 63A is overturned,
01:30then it will have a direct impact on politics in such a way that the government will have a very big manoeuvring room
01:36where the issue of numbers is being discussed.
01:40The issue of two-thirds, the issue of constitutional amendments is being discussed.
01:43And there is a lot of strictness in front of the government.
01:46And we saw in September, when they tried to bring the 26th amendment,
01:50they failed.
01:54So if this decision is made, then the government has much more freedom
01:58to convince people in the national interest, and this game can go anywhere.
02:05A second decision was made today, in which the Supreme Court told the Election Commission
02:09to issue notifications to the election tribunals in Punjab.
02:14And this decision of the High Court, of the Lahore High Court,
02:17in which it was decided that only the tribunals made by the High Court will hear the appeals.
02:25So if these two decisions come together, then it will have a very big benefit for the government,
02:30the ruling alliance, and the PTI and the opposition can face a lot of problems.
02:36That is why we have started this whole matter.
02:39But today we have invited Deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar. Thank you very much.
02:45There was a very selfish motive to invite you.
02:49It was that you were conspicuous by your absence when there was a UN Assembly,
02:53and you were not a foreign minister there.
02:55Then we got to know that you did not go because Mr. Nawaz Sharif told you to stay here
03:01and resolve the political crisis that is going on.
03:06So I said, let me ask you, let's start from here.
03:09Timing is important in everything.
03:12The timing with which judicial reforms are happening,
03:15everything is happening, it seems that you are doing all the reforms
03:18so that somehow we can either extend Faiz Ishaq sir here,
03:24or make CJ of the Constitutional Supreme Court that you are making,
03:29and all these decisions come, and these laws change in such a way
03:33that you can take a two-thirds majority of your will, which you cannot.
03:37So tell me, the issues that you are resolving, what is the situation now?
03:42In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
03:46Mr. Malik, why did I not go to the UN General Assembly meeting?
03:53Obviously, the judicial reform or agenda that you are talking about is not only that.
04:02In the next two to two and a half weeks, there will be three important international visits to Pakistan.
04:10One is that the Prime Minister of Malaysia is coming tomorrow with his delegation.
04:16There are two, three, four visits to Pakistan.
04:19After that, on the 14th, the Prime Minister of China is coming.
04:22That is a bilateral visit.
04:24The 15th and 16th, a multilateral SCO, Shanghai Corporation,
04:29is going to have a heads of government summit in Pakistan.
04:32After 1997, this is the first summit.
04:35Those who used to say that Pakistan has become isolated,
04:38they can see that Pakistan is not diplomatically isolated.
04:41Pakistan has its relevance.
04:43So all these things were there.
04:45And obviously, I will not say that that was not the reason.
04:48To handle all these things, either the Prime Minister or the Deputy Prime Minister should go.
04:53So the Prime Minister was very kind.
04:55He told me to attend.
04:57This has happened in the past as well.
04:59But it was necessary for him to go.
05:01And I am convinced that it is necessary for you to go.
05:04Because the foreign ministry had already fixed bilateral meetings with heads of state.
05:11So naturally, if he had not gone, those meetings would have been in Pakistan.
05:16So this is the background.
05:18As far as the two or three things you mentioned in your intro,
05:23I think all of us should look at this.
05:26First of all, it is not the consequences of what will happen to the government,
05:30what will be the outcome of this.
05:34First of all, look at what is legally and legally right.
05:39I think if you ask the year one student of law,
05:45you all contributed to it.
05:47It was rewriting of the constitution.
05:51You rewrote the constitution.
05:53And you said that you are not allowed to make that mistake.
05:58And secondly, it is also possible that you are with a party.
06:03You genuinely feel that there were four things.
06:06If you remember, there were three things first.
06:08One, vote of confidence, vote of no confidence and finance bill.
06:12We also put a constitutional amendment in the 18th amendment.
06:16It was not there before.
06:17This is 2010 onwards.
06:19If your conscience says that my party is not doing this right,
06:26then he or she should be allowed.
06:28That I should reduce the burden of my conscience, I should give the right vote.
06:31If the membership goes, he should also know that the membership is going.
06:34So this 63A thing is very simple.
06:39Since the review has started, I do not want to comment much.
06:44But if you ask a student of law if this is wrong.
06:49And a lot of media also said that it is rewriting of the constitution.
06:53So in this regard, I understand that now the matter has come that
06:57the comments that you are talking about,
07:02in my opinion, as a layman or a student of law,
07:07it is very simple that it cannot happen.
07:10You cannot do both things.
07:11And 63A is not even the spirit of what has happened.
07:15And you have seen the consequences of that.
07:17Sir, the timing is very interesting.
07:19Suddenly, you people saw the issues of judiciary,
07:24that we have to correct the judiciary.
07:26How long have I been here?
07:27Sir, most of the issues are in the lower judiciary.
07:29As Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah said in a speech,
07:3285% of the cases are in the lower judiciary.
07:3615% are in the high court.
07:382% of the cases are in the Supreme Court.
07:41Most of the cases are in the Supreme Court,
07:43from where the relief is less to the common man,
07:46and more to you people.
07:47So it is the timing that raises questions.
07:50Let me tell you.
07:51First of all, this is not our all of a sudden, circumstantial agenda.
07:58In 2006, Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Behrendi Bhutto
08:02signed the Misaag-e-Jamuiya,
08:06in which I, Raza Rubani, and initially we were involved,
08:10and then Asad Iqbal Sardar Abbasi.
08:12This was a four-year exercise.
08:13In 2002, in the first meeting, Mr. Behrendi Bhutto was in Dubai.
08:17And he said, Mr. Das, what about if I ever come to power,
08:20I will not be backstabbed.
08:22His only witness is Aftab Shaban Mirani.
08:25So I said, BB, it can happen to us also.
08:27It applies to us also.
08:29Before that, we had worked together on two terms,
08:32and everyone knows that.
08:34And that was to write the Code of Conduct.
08:37And for that, Raza Rubani and I took on the duty,
08:39and we had to draft that.
08:41But as the work progressed, the scope of that work increased.
08:46There were civil-military relations,
08:48there were judicial reforms,
08:49there was the task of bringing the constitution to its original state.
08:52Another important thing that was not implemented was the Constitutional Court.
08:59I think it's Article 4 of the Constitution of the Republic of India.
09:02So the Truth and Reconciliation Commission came.
09:05It took four years to do that.
09:07First, it was signed by both the leaders.
09:10Within a few weeks, the leadership of all the political parties was called,
09:15including Imran Khan.
09:17And in the Millennium Hotel in London, they also endorsed it.
09:20And even Maulana Fazlur Rehman supported it in his subsequent statements.
09:25This is a fundamental decision.
09:27Now, let's see what to do.
09:29You talked about the pendency.
09:31Approximately 60,000 cases are reportedly pending in the Supreme Court.
09:35Almost 25% of them, as we have been told, are constitutional petitions.
09:41Now, the petitions of yours and mine are foreign.
09:46That's fine. I say, do it.
09:48Do it. Do it.
09:49How is it happening?
09:51It seemed like they were just bulldozing it.
09:54Bulldozing is nothing.
09:55MNS is gathering. Everyone is coming.
09:57Mr. Aminia has been called from Lahore.
09:59The numbers are not being completed.
10:01I remember only Mr. Rana Sonala was the only person saying that we don't have the numbers.
10:06The rest are saying that we have the numbers.
10:08Others are saying that we are being picked up.
10:10You build constitutional amendments with consensus.
10:13It seems that you want to do everything before the deadline of October 25.
10:18And people say that maybe the Chief Justice is retiring before October 25.
10:22So, before that, you want to cover all the issues.
10:24Now, we are hearing that amendments are coming in the first week of October.
10:27If constitutional amendments are being done with good policy,
10:32then what difference does it make whether it takes 6 weeks or 8 weeks?
10:35What is the hurry?
10:36When Mr. Malana Fazl-ur-Rehman became a member of a committee of the National Assembly,
10:43in which there were some senators,
10:45I was also a member of that committee.
10:47When he said that he wanted more time,
10:50we said, okay, you can take more time.
10:52This is the reason for the delay.
10:54Earlier, there was an indication that voting would be done today.
10:57When he said in the committee that he wanted more time,
11:00we said, Bismillah, there is no problem.
11:02So, we delayed it.
11:04Look, this is not a new agenda.
11:07It will ease out.
11:09There will be a division of work.
11:11The 45,000 cases of people, even if it is 2%,
11:14imagine what the number is.
11:16No, there is no debate on the concept.
11:18Look, where does the doubt come from?
11:20Why do questions arise?
11:21Mr. Faiz-ur-Rehman gets up.
11:23You amend the Procedure Act.
11:25He calls a meeting after 1.5 hours or 1.5-2 hours.
11:29And whatever clash there is with Mr. Masood Ali Shah,
11:32then a third member is added.
11:34The committee is changed.
11:36And then we suddenly see that a review petition comes.
11:39The review petition is taken up.
11:41It was pending already.
11:42It was pending for two years.
11:44But it was suddenly taken up in this environment.
11:47Then Muneeb Akhtar leaves.
11:49And today it is announced that with or without him, we will do it.
11:53Then the decision of the tribunals, again,
11:55which is in your favor.
11:57All the decisions are suddenly in your favor.
12:00If the mistakes are being rectified, then we should appreciate it.
12:03I have said this so that whoever we talk to,
12:05he should see whether it was right or wrong.
12:07If the decision of Section 63A is wrong, then it should have been rectified.
12:10We have already wasted a lot of time of this country.
12:12We destabilized it in Punjab.
12:15It was all political.
12:17This decision was completely wrong.
12:19I am a student of law.
12:21I have also been involved in legal committees in the parliament for 30-35 years.
12:25The decision was completely wrong.
12:27Tell me two or three decisions,
12:29from which I want to know whether it is right or wrong,
12:32that it is not person-specific.
12:34Has this decision been made that the age of the judges will be increased
12:38or have you left the old things?
12:40Look, the purpose of the committee meeting that day was that
12:45we were stuck on the macro.
12:48The rest of the nitty-gritty details were to be decided after that.
12:51All the parties were present in it.
12:53And as the Mullahs said,
12:56and it is their right, they are the leaders of the party,
12:59they wanted more time.
13:01I have not studied the concept properly yet.
13:03But two or three days before that,
13:06if you remember,
13:08they supported the Constitutional Court on the floor outside the assembly.
13:13So now the micro-detail,
13:15what will be the age, what will be the number.
13:17This is a very important micro-detail.
13:19Because if you are increasing the age of the judges,
13:21it will have a direct impact on the sitting of the Chief Justice
13:24and the future of the Chief Justice.
13:27Tell me, has this decision been made that the age of the judges will be increased?
13:31These things will be decided after all the consensus is discussed.
13:34Once we are ready,
13:36that yes, we will work,
13:38PM LN wants to increase it.
13:40No, PM LN is open.
13:43And People's Party, which is our main ally,
13:46they also openly supported it.
13:49Bilawal Bhutto was also in a committee meeting in the parliament.
13:52The day you called Mian Sahib,
13:55obviously, when you have a primary election,
13:59Mian Sahib came on that day too.
14:01Obviously, every vote counts.
14:03And it is not that who is absent,
14:06you have two thirds of the majority.
14:09Nawaz Sharif and Shehbaz Sharif are on the same page
14:13in all these reforms,
14:15all these debates.
14:17They are being the president of the party, Mian Sahib.
14:20They are fulfilling their responsibilities
14:23at the request of Shehbaz Sharif
14:26and at his request.
14:29They are fulfilling their responsibilities
14:32as party head.
14:34Obviously, with the party and with Mian Shehbaz Sharif.
14:36Whose idea was this?
14:38Was it the idea of the Prime Minister or Mian Shehbaz Sharif
14:41that you bring it and do it?
14:43Look, when we came,
14:45Mr. Malik, after the February elections,
14:48there were a lot of issues haunting the country.
14:51You had a 22% policy rate.
14:54You had inflation in double digits.
14:57Your growth was completely over.
15:00There was an industrial shock.
15:02It was necessary to go to the IMF.
15:04All these things,
15:06which you saw as soon as you came,
15:09that meetings and actions are taking place.
15:12It has always been on the agenda
15:15to do judicial reform as soon as possible.
15:18Look at it from a different angle.
15:21If the common man gets relief,
15:24if they get relief,
15:27they should get it.
15:30By the way, reforms include,
15:33the final will be the one that everyone will decide.
15:36It will be necessary to make time-bound decisions.
15:39I am talking about normal business,
15:42civil and criminal appeals in the Supreme Court.
15:45All these things are in their favor.
15:4870-80% of the work that will be done
15:51will be for the benefit of the common man.
15:54I asked you because both are on the same page.
15:57Look, the Prime Minister went to Maulana Shahbaz,
16:00the President went to Maulana Shahbaz,
16:03Bilawal Bhutto went to him,
16:06Mohsin Naqvi went to him,
16:09and all of them went again and again.
16:12If one person did not go,
16:15Nawaz Sharif did not go.
16:18Nawaz Sharif came to Islamabad,
16:21but he did not meet him.
16:24Now, if they are owning everything,
16:27and of course, their weight,
16:30by including all these people,
16:33they have a very good relationship with all of us.
16:36You saw the protest that took place here in 2014.
16:39Why did they not meet yet?
16:42Of course, meeting is a different matter.
16:45Everyone is busy.
16:48Your government is making a constitutional amendment.
16:51The whole of Pakistan is on fire.
16:54Nawaz Sharif was the Prime Minister.
16:57He comes easily.
17:00He does not talk to Maulana Shahbaz.
17:03He does not convince Maulana Shahbaz.
17:06You have a big gun.
17:09You do not have a bigger gun than Nawaz Sharif.
17:12You did not fire him.
17:15Did he distance himself from this?
17:18No, not at all.
17:21Without his approval and guidance,
17:24the party does not move forward.
17:27Will you meet Maulana Shahbaz?
17:30Of course, I will meet him.
17:33But this is not a new thing.
17:36He has become very powerful.
17:39He said he needs time.
17:42I said in an interview that
17:45we are bringing him in the first week of October.
17:48Nawaz Sharif is going to America.
17:51You said before the program that
17:54he is going to die.
17:57This means that voting will be done before his death.
18:00His vote will also be critical.
18:03Can this be done after his death?
18:06I do not know the reason why
18:09Siddiqui gave the exact date.
18:12He must have thought that
18:15our culture is that after death,
18:18we do not go and mourn.
18:21He did it on the phone.
18:24But whenever his wife or father died,
18:27he used to come to America.
18:30He did not have time to mourn for 2-3 days.
18:33This is his proclamation.
18:36In the past, Khans had a one page.
18:39Now you have a one page.
18:42You consult in everything,
18:45whether it is foreign affairs,
18:48loans were being re-rolled.
18:51The Prime Minister said that the military leadership
18:54has played a big role.
18:57Did you brief the military leadership?
19:00Did you take their opinion?
19:03It is good to have a one page,
19:06but it is a forward objective.
19:09I do not want to criticize Khans.
19:12He is in trouble now.
19:15We all know that he has become public.
19:18Political vendetta, political victimization,
19:21he will rule this country for the next 10 years.
19:24He has his own agenda.
19:27This one page is the agenda
19:30of Pakistan's survival from this quagmire.
19:33I think every Pakistani will appreciate
19:36this one page agenda.
19:39All three of us should come together.
19:42You are well informed.
19:45The situation of the country requires
19:48that we try to rebuild this country.
19:51The 24th economy was established in 2017.
19:54In 2013, the macroeconomic non-stable
19:57country was declared globally.
20:00No one knows who will win the elections.
20:03I am reminding you of the projections
20:06of the political parties.
20:09Pakistan will declare its default
20:12in the next 6 to 7 months.
20:15It will take Pakistan 10 to 12 years
20:18to get rid of this crisis.
20:21If in 3 years,
20:24Mian Nawaz Sharif becomes
20:27the Prime Minister and I become
20:30the Finance Minister,
20:33you will become the 24th economy
20:36of the country.
20:39All stakeholders should come together
20:42on this one page agenda.
20:45I am asking because your allies
20:48and you are not on the same page.
20:51This is a political issue.
20:54I want to know if you and the
20:57establishment are on the same page
21:00when it comes to judicial reforms.
21:03The Prime Minister has repeatedly
21:06said that he will get Pakistan
21:09out of this crisis.
21:12He acknowledged me,
21:15the Finance Minister and the Army Chief.
21:18This should be the objective
21:21of all stakeholders.
21:24All political parties should
21:27get Pakistan out of this crisis.
21:30Allah has made you a nuclear power.
21:33Allah has made you a missile power.
21:36But where you lack is the economic...
21:39Your photo has always been
21:42of the Finance Minister.
21:45I get that.
21:48But isn't it that the larger
21:51conglomerates...
21:54The army is with you
21:57and you are doing reforms
22:00of your own free will.
22:03You are doing things that
22:06are based on your power.
22:09No political party is always
22:12based on power.
22:15These changes are strengthening
22:18the system.
22:21These 18 years are delayed.
22:24The Prime Minister has already
22:27signed Mian Nawaz Shahi's photo
22:30followed by almost all political
22:33parties.
22:44Welcome back.
22:47Right or wrong,
22:50the PTI is a big force.
22:53They are inside.
22:56Your ministers do press conferences.
22:59Do you have an administrative
23:02solution for Imran Khan?
23:05You have a legal solution.
23:08Do you have a political solution
23:11for Imran Khan?
23:14Political solution is the art
23:17of sorting out something.
23:20I wish Imran Khan
23:23didn't do the 9th of May.
23:26When you raise arms against
23:29your own institutions,
23:32state institutions and
23:35security institutions...
23:38You can start a trial
23:41but you don't do it.
23:44The government has nothing
23:47to do with it.
23:50It's a legal process.
23:53Judiciary handles it.
23:56Judiciary is not on one page
23:59with us.
24:02Believe me, this is not
24:05the objective.
24:08I have demonstrated
24:11ample times in the past.
24:15You have been put in the
24:18latter stage.
24:21I was thinking about
24:24the negotiations with
24:27Maulana.
24:30Mohsin Naqvi will be
24:33blessed or trusted.
24:36Azam Tarar will be
24:39legally acumen.
24:42Maulana will just have
24:45them for breakfast.
24:48Why didn't you make a
24:51serious team?
24:54Prime Minister himself
24:57went.
25:00There was a second
25:03visit.
25:06I was with him.
25:09We decided to discuss it
25:12professionally.
25:15Prime Minister went.
25:18His legal team was there.
25:21I was there.
25:24The interior minister
25:27went to another room.
25:30We started it.
25:33It was a positive initiative.
25:36I am very confident.
25:39It is a basic thing.
25:42It is not personal.
25:45Is there a quid pro quo?
25:48I have to say it very
25:51carefully.
25:54People think there is
25:57quid pro quo in everything.
26:00The way Chief Justice
26:03has said,
26:06there is a quid pro quo.
26:09Similarly,
26:12if Maulana gets convinced,
26:15there will be a quid pro quo.
26:18We can see a JUI governor
26:21in Balochistan,
26:24senators in Balochistan,
26:27ministers in Balochistan.
26:30I do not believe in
26:33dealing.
26:36We should do what is
26:39best for the country,
26:42system and future.
26:45I can assure you
26:48there is no quid pro quo.
26:51Chief Justice of Pakistan
26:54is an honourable person.
26:57He has fulfilled his
27:00responsibilities.
27:03Why are you worried?
27:06Every judge is honourable
27:09for us.
27:12Some are more honourable than
27:15others.
27:18Believe me,
27:21it is not a personal
27:24agenda.
27:27No, not at all.
27:30It is not a personal agenda.
27:33It is an unfinished agenda.
27:36People's Party is two steps
27:39ahead of us.
27:42When will you finish this
27:45agenda?
27:48Next week, next month,
27:51next year.
27:54Our allies should be with us.
27:57People's Party is two steps
28:00ahead of us.
28:03There is a sacred document
28:06signed by my mother for them.
28:09I was listening to Bilawal
28:12today.
28:15He is talking about
28:18the Constitution.
28:21It is not viable at this stage.
28:24Is the extension
28:27on the cards?
28:30Is the appointment of
28:33Chief Justice of Pakistan
28:36to the Constitutional Court
28:39on the cards?
28:42It is not off the table.
28:45Is there a possibility
28:48of Justice Faiz Isa's appointment
28:51as the head of the Constitutional
28:54Court?
28:57Is there a possibility?
29:00You are basing
29:03this question on a graph
29:06document that has been
29:09shown on TV.
29:12Different ideas come
29:15and they are placed on the
29:18graph.
29:21The final shape can be
29:24different.
29:27If we base it on a graph
29:30document, it is too
29:33premature.
29:36Everyone should be
29:39prepared.
30:10Our relationship
30:13with them is very
30:16close.
30:19It is irrelevant.
30:22Our relationship should
30:25not be transactional.
30:28Our community knows
30:31that we do not do
30:34transactional relations.
30:37Do you believe that
30:40they will support you?
30:43They are very principled
30:46people.
30:49Their team is very
30:52intelligent.
30:55I do not think that
30:58any Pakistani will oppose
31:01this.
31:04People say that the
31:07PIA bid on 1st October
31:10was delayed by a month.
31:13They are accommodating
31:16people.
31:19Can you tell us why this
31:22is happening?
31:25The pre-conditions
31:28of the bidders
31:31are that only those who
31:34sign can participate in the
31:37bidding process.
31:40The next step is to
31:43submit the bid.
31:46It is a standard
31:49procedure.
31:52Everyone is asking for
31:55more time.
31:58I am sure you know the
32:01name of the PIA.
32:04They are handling it.
32:07They approached the
32:10government last week.
32:13That was the last day to
32:16sign off the pre-conditions.
32:19They are saying that
32:22they need more time.
32:25This is the final 30 days.
32:28We have run out of time.
32:31Thank you very much.
32:34I know that you will have
32:37to take more time.
32:40We are very grateful.
32:43You said that everything is
32:46on the table.
32:49The deadline for October
32:52is coming up.
32:55We will take a break.
32:58We will talk about the
33:01judicial crisis.
33:04It is a powder keg
33:07waiting to explode.
33:10Let's take a break.
33:22Welcome back to the show.
33:53The review
33:56of the petition
33:59is going on.
34:02The public is spouting.
34:05They are writing to the
34:08Chief Justice.
34:11They are saying that
34:14the Chief Justice is
34:17campaigning against them.
34:20The reality is that the
34:23bench has changed.
34:26Earlier,
34:29there were three
34:32like-minded judges.
34:35They have already
34:38voted against it.
34:41It is clear that
34:44the decision will be made.
34:47We might be looking at 4-1
34:50or even a consensus.
34:53The Supreme Court
34:56has to take the review
34:59tomorrow.
35:02There is a chance that
35:05the decision will be made.
35:08If it is not made,
35:11it will be suspended.
35:14How will you deal with it?
35:17The tribunals are out of your hands.
35:20There will be a miracle in the
35:23review petition.
35:26The first decision of 63A will be
35:29made.
35:32What options do you have?
35:35These are not our options.
35:38The people of Pakistan have
35:41to decide.
35:44This is an attack on the
35:47Republic of Pakistan.
35:50There is a way to
35:53suppress people and
35:56break them.
35:59This is how the review is done.
36:02It is the voice of the
36:05people.
36:08I think both of you should
36:11laugh and cry.
36:14Similarly,
36:17when we fought for the
36:20elections,
36:23the whole world knows about it.
36:26I don't need to say anything.
36:29We had some hope that the
36:32judges of the High Court
36:35would give us a chance.
36:38This is our law.
36:41If such judges are appointed,
36:44we thought that the fraud will
36:47stop in 2-3 hearings.
36:50But then we found out that
36:53fraud should not be allowed.
36:56This is not the intention of
36:59the decision makers.
37:03Shahzad Ahmed Khan was appointed
37:06as a judge in Punjab.
37:09Four judges were happy about
37:12this.
37:15The election commission
37:18immediately objected to
37:21these four judges.
37:24There was no objection to
37:27the names of the Chief Justice.
37:30Is this an objection?
37:33It is clear to us that
37:36Shahzad Ahmed Khan was
37:39sent to the Supreme Court
37:42because he was an obstacle.
37:45He appointed a judge who
37:48the election commission did not
37:51want.
37:54The Supreme Court decided
37:57that the names of Shahzad
38:00Ahmed Khan should not be
38:03notified.
38:06The election commission should
38:09not object to this.
38:12The election commission should
38:15not object to this.
38:18The election commission should
38:21not object to this.
38:24Shahzad Ahmed Khan was
38:27sent to the Supreme Court
38:30because he was an obstacle.
38:33The election commission should
38:36not object to this.
38:39The election commission should
38:42not object to this.
38:45The election commission should
38:48not object to this.
38:51We have come to an end.
38:54We have come to an end.
38:57We thought that we would
39:00have a better journey towards
39:03democracy.
39:06But we are running backwards.
39:09You are depending on the judiciary
39:12for your relief.
39:15The Supreme Court has clearly
39:18said that the case has been
39:21amicably resolved.
39:24The case has been amicably
39:27resolved.
39:30The case has been amicably
39:33resolved.
39:36The Supreme Court has backed
39:39down the judiciary.
39:42The Supreme Court has backed
39:45down the judiciary.
39:48The Supreme Court has backed
39:51down the judiciary.
39:54The Supreme Court has backed
39:57down the judiciary.
40:00The Supreme Court has backed
40:03down the judiciary.
40:06The Supreme Court has backed
40:09down the judiciary.
40:12The Supreme Court has backed
40:15down the judiciary.
40:18The Supreme Court has backed
40:21down the judiciary.
40:24The Supreme Court has backed
40:27down the judiciary.
40:30The Supreme Court has backed
40:33down the judiciary.
40:36The Supreme Court has backed
40:39down the judiciary.
40:42The Supreme Court has backed
40:45down the judiciary.
40:48in front of the people of Pakistan. I don't have any hope that I will get anything in the election tribunals.
40:55I don't even want to ask for any justice. So I think that this matter has once again come to the political arena.
41:03Do you think that these election tribunals will be able to work very quickly?
41:11Because if 9-10 seats are re-counted or re-polled and those seats are moved to the other side,
41:19then the entire form of the National Assembly will change.
41:23Yes, this is what will happen now. Look, six months have passed since we have filed our election petitions.
41:29And the reports that come in during this time are not good. I don't want to talk much.
41:35If we open the ballots now, then the results that we got that day,
41:40that 90% turnout at the polling station of the National Assembly,
41:45where the turnout of the Subahi Assembly was 36% or 37%,
41:50then you will get the same votes.
41:55Salman, the people who will come on the streets, will be different.
42:02Now, the legal options that you have, do you think that they will not end
42:08as far as this two-thirds majority relationship is concerned?
42:12Now it seems that it will become an open field for the government,
42:16that they can easily break people and then they don't have any disqualification.
42:21So has your parliamentary politics come to the stage that after these two decisions,
42:27you are thinking that it is better to resign and leave the National Assembly
42:32instead of legitimizing all these things?
42:37No, I don't think that we should resign at any time or at least not in these circumstances.
42:42We should stay in our place. The right thing, the right thing,
42:47should be stated in the parliament and outside the parliament.
42:51And whatever the situation is, it should be put in front of the people.
42:55I don't think that we should come out of the parliament and do only foreign politics.
43:00There will be foreign politics, there will be parliamentary politics.
43:03Now we are being put up against a wall.
43:05You are right that the legal, legal paths are being closed,
43:09obstructed and in a way, the people are being incited.
43:13Salman, tell me one thing, we are down to our last 2-3 minutes.
43:17It is a sensitive question, but the way the Chief Justice is walking,
43:22and today Mr. Imran Khan said that he is Justice Munir Plus, whatever, Pro, Pro Max.
43:30Tell me this, do you think that there could be a quid pro quo
43:37under which the Supreme Court is going in a particular direction,
43:41or let's say the Chief Justice and all,
43:43and what could that quid pro quo be with the government?
43:47Between whom is this quid pro quo?
43:50Like, you put an allegation that the Chief Justice is playing the government's game.
43:55Mr. Imran Khan is also saying this again and again.
43:57Why would he do that? What could a quid pro quo be for him?
44:00Look, this would be an allegation.
44:04It seems that the Prime Minister has to put a judge for the Federal Constitutional Court.
44:10I don't know whether he will put it or not, whether he wishes to or not.
44:14But an obligation can be established, right?
44:17So, the government can give it to them,
44:20they won't have any problem if the government says that this is the subject of discussion.
44:25Salman, we have run out of time, thank you very much for your time.
44:30Viewers, we will end here.
44:31After these two decisions, it seems that there is an open path for the government
44:37to take a two-thirds majority and make amendments as well.
44:41And that means that judicial reforms,
44:45as much as they want, they will be able to do.
44:48The question is, will they be in the interest of the nation or only in the interest of the power game?
44:54And if power is the sole criterion, then this is not a good news.
44:58With your permission, Allah Hafiz.