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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, we welcome you to the first day of the week, Monday,
00:16and this is our first program.
00:18Dear viewers, today we have a lot of news.
00:21It seems that Maulana Sahib has faced off with the government,
00:28regarding the registration of Madaras.
00:31We will talk about this in detail in the program.
00:33Similarly, we are seeing that the discussions,
00:37which is our first story today,
00:40that with Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
00:43will the matter of discussions progress?
00:46There are a few important questions, dear viewers,
00:48which were coming to my mind,
00:49that right now in Pakistan,
00:51there is a political struggle,
00:53there is a political instability.
00:55In my opinion, there is a political instability.
00:57Is the reason for the political instability
01:00a fight between the government and the opposition?
01:03The answer to this is also a fight.
01:05Will the solution to this be through a fight on the streets?
01:11The answer is no, not at all.
01:14The solution to this cannot be through a fight.
01:17Can the solution to this political struggle in Pakistan be through discussions?
01:21It can definitely be through discussions.
01:23There is no other way.
01:25Therefore, the question on which we will discuss today,
01:29Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain is with us from Lahore,
01:32and Hassan Ayub is with me in Islamabad.
01:35So, we have been hearing for a long time
01:38about the discussions between the government and the opposition.
01:42Who has a clear intention in this?
01:45Who just wants to do the right thing?
01:48Or is there really someone behind this?
01:50This time, we are seeing that a good effort is being made.
01:55Someone is moving forward with good intentions.
01:58Because we have seen that for the last two weeks,
02:01there is a very important figure in the politics of Pakistan.
02:05His name is Faisal Wada Sahib.
02:07He is present as a senator in the Pakistan Senate.
02:12And when he was elected to the Senate,
02:15all the members of the Pakistan People's Party,
02:18Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
02:20MQM, and other small groups,
02:22the free people,
02:24voted for him unanimously.
02:27And when he was elected,
02:29he is a free man.
02:31He speaks his mind.
02:33He gets information from far and wide.
02:36And he does not hesitate to talk about his information or whatever information he has.
02:43Recently, over the weekend,
02:45I heard that he meets the MQM leadership in Karachi.
02:49There, he says a very strange thing.
02:53I did not understand it.
02:55I will ask Mr. Chaudhary and Mr. Hassan what is the purpose of this?
02:58What is the rationale behind this?
03:02What is the logic behind this?
03:04What does he want to achieve by saying this?
03:07Let's listen to what Mr. Faisal Wada Sahib has to say.
03:10We have to accept Mr. Imran Khan's mandate.
03:13We have to respect him.
03:15There are very good people in PTI.
03:17We have to try to save PTI from banning.
03:22He is saying that we have to return the mandate of the founder of PTI, Imran Khan.
03:31We have to accept his mandate.
03:35There are very good people in PTI.
03:39We have to try to save PTI from banning.
03:45What is the logic behind this?
03:48First of all, I will listen to Mr. Chaudhary.
03:50Mr. Hassan has his own story on every issue.
03:55Mr. Chaudhary, let's go to Mr. Hassan.
03:58No, Mr. Chaudhary.
04:00Mr. Chaudhary, this is the first program of the week.
04:03We want to start the program.
04:05We are the elders of our program.
04:09We are the elders of our program.
04:11We are not talking about your age.
04:13Of course, you are our elders.
04:15So, we would like to start today's program with you.
04:18What is the reason behind the statement made by Mr. Faisal Wada?
04:22What is the logic behind it?
04:23It is beyond my understanding.
04:24It would be great if you could explain it.
04:27First of all, he has a strong argument.
04:31Mr. Faisal Wada had a strong argument with Daman Doll.
04:36I will not take lightly, but you should not take lightly.
04:39You will have to listen to his arguments seriously.
04:45You will have to watch his actions.
04:48This is a fact.
04:51What he said for the first time in Karachi,
04:57what was his name?
05:00He has a major departure from his statements.
05:06So, the direction he is taking in Pakistan
05:12is not what many people want.
05:15But there are two big contradictions
05:18and I do not understand what the government will do now.
05:21One big contradiction is that the economy has improved.
05:25The stock exchange has increased by 2 lakhs.
05:31The economy is absolutely fine.
05:34Everything is flowing smoothly in the country.
05:39The villains of the peace are Bani PTI and PTI.
05:45If they are crushed, the situation will be fine.
05:49The second view that you said,
05:52that if you follow the mandate of 8th February,
05:56then there will be no stability.
05:58Otherwise, there will be no peace in Pakistan.
06:01Nobody will succeed.
06:03The country will be destroyed.
06:05The best solution is to have serious discussions.
06:09And those who believe, should believe and move forward.
06:12And you cannot crush people politically
06:17or kill them.
06:19You cannot bring stability to the Punjabi people.
06:24So, it is better that the Faisal Wada,
06:27which you are being suggested,
06:29understand a little more and act on it.
06:32And solve the issues through talks.
06:35Otherwise, it will be again in the form of Fazlur Rahman
06:38or Hafiz Naeem, the leader of Jamaat-e-Islami.
06:42Or PTI, in some other form,
06:44will again stop the roads and Islamabad.
06:47And then, no one will be able to stop them.
06:53So, please revisit this.
06:56And the country will only be able to accept the public mandate.
07:01Yes, you heard the statement of Faisal Wada.
07:06You are against his statement.
07:08What do you think, what is he trying to say?
07:10The way he has spoken,
07:12maybe he wanted to say something else.
07:14For example?
07:15You can ask him.
07:16His intention was that his mandate should be returned.
07:19I am sure, 100%.
07:20I did not talk to Faisal Wada about this.
07:22But he is like a brother.
07:24I know him.
07:25And I am aware of his thinking.
07:29So, he did not say that the mandate of Tariq-e-Insaf
07:32has been stolen and that it will be returned.
07:34No.
07:35Imran Khan is telling the truth.
07:36He said that those who have the mandate,
07:38they should get it.
07:39He did not just talk about Imran Khan.
07:41He talked about those who have grievances.
07:44And basically,
07:45if you are better,
07:47neither mine nor yours.
07:48Call Faisal Wada.
07:50Please revisit the statement of Faisal Wada.
07:52You should call him.
07:53You should call him.
07:54You should call him.
07:55You should call him and tell him.
07:56You should call him.
07:57We have to accept the mandate of Imran Khan.
08:01We have to respect it.
08:02There are many good people in PTI.
08:04We have to try to save PTI from panning.
08:08Viewers,
08:09there was a debate
08:11whether Faisal Wada's statement
08:13was edited.
08:15Because
08:16Mr. Hassan charged the producer
08:19and accused him of editing.
08:21But then Hassan said
08:23that it was not edited.
08:24Now,
08:25what does Mr. Faisal Wada want to say in this statement?
08:28Let's listen to his statement first.
08:29Mr. Faisal Wada has joined us.
08:32We would like to hear his clarification.
08:36Let's listen to his statement first.
08:38We have to accept the mandate of Imran Khan.
08:41We have to respect it.
08:42There are many good people in PTI.
08:44We have to try to save PTI from panning.
08:48Thank you very much, Mr. Faisal Wada.
08:51When you said that
08:53we have to accept the mandate of Imran Khan,
08:58we have to respect it.
09:01Who is not respecting it?
09:03Hassan thinks that
09:04he has a government in a province
09:07with a two-thirds majority.
09:09He has seats in the Parliament
09:11given by the Election Commission.
09:13What more respect do you want to give
09:16to the seats of special women?
09:19How should they be respected?
09:21They have everything.
09:22What more respect do they want?
09:24Thank you very much, Mr. Govind.
09:26Mr. Govind,
09:27I talked about a consensus yesterday.
09:31I talked about a national consensus
09:33for national cause.
09:35I said that
09:36there is a mandate of MKM,
09:38a mandate of People's Party,
09:40and a mandate of PTI.
09:41Everyone has a mandate of JAI.
09:43We have to respect everyone's mandate
09:45who is present in the assembly today.
09:47We can discuss less and more.
09:49I have 500 seats,
09:50he has 200 seats,
09:51he has 2000 seats.
09:52This debate will continue.
09:53But today,
09:54for the sake of Pakistan,
09:56you will have to respect it.
09:58What is respect?
09:59When you take all the stakeholders on board,
10:01the opposition,
10:02you take them on board,
10:03the JAI,
10:04you take them on board.
10:05There is an MQM on 22 seats.
10:07There is no representation of MQM on 22 seats.
10:10So what will you ask the MQMs tomorrow?
10:12What will you ask the people of the opposition tomorrow?
10:15When everyone will be fighting
10:17and protesting against each other,
10:22it won't be useful for the country.
10:24I have said exactly in that,
10:26you can discuss less and more,
10:28but there can be no bloodshed.
10:30Now, the mandate of JAI,
10:32who is present in the assembly,
10:33it is a matter of respecting it and moving forward.
10:35If the opposition wants to talk,
10:36let them talk.
10:37If there is a mandate of MQM,
10:39if it wants to give advice,
10:41let the parties outside the system
10:43hear it too.
10:45Let you hear it too.
10:47Only then will there be consensus.
10:48What is national cause?
10:49National cause
10:50The job of the opposition is not that
10:52we are the government and we keep making it.
10:54The job of the opposition is that
10:55the work that the government is not doing,
10:56the opposition should do it.
10:57This was my purpose.
10:58And in this,
10:59I was very clear.
11:01Imran Khan's mandate,
11:02his MNA, MPA and his senators,
11:04the mandate of the People's Party,
11:06of Mr. Villal,
11:08his MNA, MPA and Senator seats
11:10are the same.
11:12But we are arguing,
11:14you are 47, I am 49, I am 51,
11:16you have 2000 seats, I have 5000 seats.
11:18We kept arguing.
11:19But when there is a fight,
11:21fight, fight, murder,
11:23then it harms Pakistan.
11:25Faisal Wadah, you are right.
11:27Yes, you are right.
11:29But your friends,
11:31your old party members say that
11:33a Supreme Court decision has come
11:35for our specific seats.
11:37At least accept the Supreme Court's decision.
11:39The topic has come under discussion
11:41in the Supreme Court today.
11:43So, obviously, they are saying that
11:45our mandate, accept it completely.
11:47Leave the rest of the controversy
11:49that is going on right now.
11:51In that,
11:53a counter-law was made.
11:55It was negated by that law.
11:57You have made a law.
11:59You can't do anything about the law.
12:01You gave an order to the Supreme Court,
12:03the Parliament made a law for it.
12:05The Parliament made a law
12:07with its majority.
12:09If we continue to fight in this way,
12:11then there can be no talk of the opposition,
12:13there can be no talk of the government,
12:15there can be no talk of the government.
12:17Now, the allies are also on the side.
12:19If the government wants to be independent,
12:21then the government will have to take
12:23everyone's advice.
12:25The government can't sit in 5-5 ministries
12:27and do whatever it wants.
12:29They have to bring everybody on the table.
12:31Until everybody is on the table,
12:33Mr. Guman, Pakistan
12:35can't go on the rule of these corpses.
12:37We can also blame this.
12:39What you did and what I did.
12:41But now we have to rise above
12:43these things so that
12:45this unrest ends.
12:47Elections will also come.
12:49They will come at their time,
12:51before their time.
12:53But if we fight every day
12:55that I, Mr. Guman, will give you a valley,
12:57you will give me two valleys instead of a valley.
12:59I will bring your man,
13:01you will bury my man.
13:03This is not how Pakistan can go on.
13:05We will have to take our responsibilities now.
13:07Everyone's mandate has come.
13:09There is still room for a lot to be done.
13:11One more clarification.
13:13Hassan was insisting a lot
13:15that Faisal Wada has also
13:17talked about the grievances of
13:19Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
13:21That his mandate has also been stolen.
13:23So that should also be returned.
13:25He said that this is Maulana's grievance
13:27in KPK that his mandate has also been stolen.
13:29This is Maulana's grievance.
13:31This is what Faisal Wada mentioned.
13:33100%.
13:35I said that if someone's seats
13:37were 100 seats
13:39and his seats were 50 seats,
13:41this is understandable.
13:43If it is 40, this is understandable.
13:45If it is 1, this is not understandable.
13:47So the mandate has also been stolen in KPK.
13:49When you are accusing the whole of Pakistan
13:51of barbarism, mischievous administration,
13:53so that KPK has not been defamed.
13:55KPK's election was right,
13:57Pakistan's election was wrong.
13:59This is also unlawful.
14:01You said a very good thing.
14:03Faisal Wada has made a five-day
14:05waiting committee by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
14:07And he is saying to talk to us.
14:09Now you have seen
14:11in all the newspapers today
14:13that the government
14:15against Imran Khan,
14:17I will read the headlines and tell you
14:19that the decision to take action against him
14:21has been completed by the FIS Cyber Wing.
14:23There is news in the world newspaper
14:25that a case of terrorism will be launched
14:27against Bani PTI.
14:29The Ministry of Internal Affairs
14:31is instructed to prepare a summary.
14:33The news of Don is that the government
14:35has prepared a large-scale investigation
14:37against Imran Khan.
14:39And according to one news,
14:41not news,
14:43these are facts,
14:45that against Bani PTI,
14:47right now,
14:49Faisal Wada
14:51has about 188 cases
14:53across the country
14:55and 99 cases
14:57have been registered
14:59only in Punjab
15:01according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
15:03Two cases
15:05are in KP,
15:07in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
15:09And 76 cases
15:11are in Islamabad Police,
15:13in ICT,
15:15Islamabad Capital Territory.
15:17And FIA
15:19has 7 cases.
15:21And NAB has 3 cases.
15:23So on the one hand,
15:25your advice is
15:27to accept the mandate
15:29as Bani PTI,
15:31who currently leads
15:33the largest political party in Pakistan.
15:35They have the largest majority in the Senate.
15:37If they get special seats,
15:39they are present there.
15:41There are 5 MPs of 104
15:43in the Provincial Assembly of Punjab.
15:45I think there are about 8-10 people in Sindh.
15:47So who is throwing this spanner?
15:49If you are saying
15:51that there should be negotiations,
15:53the mandate should be accepted,
15:55then who is doing all this work?
15:57The news that we read to you today
15:59is that Bani PTI has been prepared.
16:01Hassan also reported
16:03that there is no
16:05Root Riayat in this.
16:07If anyone thinks that
16:09there will be some softness with them,
16:11then what solution will you come up with?
16:13Look, Mr. Guman,
16:15I have been telling you
16:17and your audience for a long time
16:19that the leadership compromise
16:21of Tehreek-e-Insaf,
16:23which is their wife,
16:25they are making more
16:27and it will be possible to get out of it.
16:29This is the thing that highlights us again and again,
16:31including this
16:33Bhawari and Begum Sahiba
16:35are playing the game of their lives.
16:37You will not like this today,
16:39people will not understand.
16:41But Mr. Guman,
16:43Begum Sahiba or her Khawari
16:45did not file these 188 cases.
16:47Look, Mr. Guman,
16:49288 cases are made in this country.
16:51The cases in which there is life,
16:53those cases of life are not 188.
16:55We know this.
16:57These cases are made.
16:59These cases go on.
17:01The main cases,
17:03the 30-year history of them,
17:05the work, the crime,
17:07they were made to do and they did it.
17:09I also said that those crimes
17:11were not in such thefts,
17:13but they did it.
17:15They signed it.
17:17Its beneficiary is Begum Sahiba and her children
17:19and she is our Khawari.
17:21But if you tell me that
17:23the PTI, which was first
17:25wanted to talk to the establishment,
17:27now wants to talk to the government,
17:29it is a very good step.
17:31The roads of Pakistan are not
17:33the roads of the world,
17:35but the roads of the world.
17:37Everyone will have to take a big step,
17:39take a step back,
17:41bring the temperature down,
17:43increase the oil and move forward.
17:45Otherwise, we will only move towards
17:47the economy and no one will benefit from it.
17:49Pakistan is suffering a loss.
17:51Mr. Hassan, if you want to talk,
17:53or Mr. Chaudhary and Mr. Faisal Wada.
17:55No, I don't have any questions.
17:57I just want to say one thing.
17:59You were talking about the special sessions.
18:01It is written at the back that
18:03neither Tehreek-e-Insaab nor Sunni Taat-e-Muslim
18:05will get a single special session.
18:07I am telling you this today.
18:09Mr. Faisal Wada, thank you very much
18:11for giving time.
18:13Regarding the special sessions,
18:15something was mentioned in the Supreme Court
18:17that what is the matter,
18:19Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab and Sunni Taat-e-Muslim
18:21will not get a single special session.
18:23It is a decision of the Supreme Court.
18:25Obviously, a legislation has been passed
18:27which Mr. Faisal Wada has mentioned.
18:29We will talk about this after the break.
18:33Welcome back.
18:35Viewers, you have heard
18:37Mr. Faisal Wada's clarification.
18:39He has clarified the mandate
18:41of Bani PTI,
18:43what he wanted to say.
18:45Viewers, the matter of
18:47special sessions
18:49has been discussed
18:51in the Supreme Court.
18:53There were three to four important cases
18:55in the Supreme Court.
18:57One case was about the martyr Arshad Sharif's
18:59martyrdom.
19:01That was also discussed.
19:03Regarding that,
19:05Additional Attorney General
19:07Amar Rehman said
19:09that we are going to sign
19:11a mutual legal assistance
19:13agreement with MLA Kenya.
19:15We will submit the report after that.
19:17This was a two-three-minute hearing
19:19regarding the martyr Arshad Sharif's case.
19:21When the case will be brought
19:23before us again,
19:25we will present it to you.
19:27Let's take you to the Supreme Court.
19:29Mr. Raje Mohsin is our representative.
19:31The case that was brought today,
19:33the three-member bench heard this case.
19:35Mr. Adil Bazai
19:37was de-seated
19:39on 21st November.
19:41Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah
19:43presided over this three-member
19:45bench hearing.
19:47During the hearing,
19:49Mr. Adil Bazai's lawyer
19:51submitted his decision
19:53regarding the special sessions.
19:55Do you really want to support
19:57the decision of the special sessions?
19:59Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah's question.
20:01Now he says,
20:03Mr. Aqeel Abbasi has also commented
20:05on this.
20:07Has the decision of the special sessions
20:09been implemented?
20:11Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah smiled
20:13and gave remarks.
20:15Was Mr. Adil Bazai a part of
20:17the list of 81 special sessions?
20:19Justice Ayesha Malik
20:21gave remarks.
20:23The Supreme Court has issued a notice
20:25to the African Commission
20:27and this case will be heard on 12th December.
20:29Mr. Raje Mohsin is with us.
20:31Mr. Raje Mohsin,
20:33we have seen the case
20:35and the proceedings.
20:37I have two important questions
20:39regarding this case.
20:41First, is this not a constitutional case?
20:43Why did not the
20:45constitutional bench
20:47listen to this case?
20:49How did this case
20:51come to the three-member bench?
20:53Secondly,
20:55Justice Ayesha Malik asked
20:57if it was not in the 81 special sessions
20:59because there was a verification process.
21:01Was Mr. Adil Bazai a part of it or not?
21:03Mr. Raje Mohsin.
21:05Basically, the cases
21:07heard by the constitutional bench
21:09are decided by the judges
21:11of the Supreme Court of Pakistan
21:13and the judges of the constitutional bench.
21:15Basically, the case
21:17where there is a constitutional question
21:19is sent to the constitutional bench.
21:21Basically,
21:23these decisions were against
21:25the decision of the Election Commission of Pakistan
21:27in the Supreme Court of Pakistan
21:29and they thought it would be sent to the regular bench.
21:31After that, the decision of the Election Commission
21:33to de-seat Adil Bazai
21:35was de-seated
21:37and the hearing of this case
21:39was postponed till December 12.
21:41Today, during the hearing,
21:43there was an interesting conversation
21:45between the judge and the lawyer
21:47and during the hearing,
21:49the lawyer of Adil Bazai,
21:51Taimoor Aslam,
21:53gave a reference to the decision
21:55related to the special sessions.
21:57On this occasion,
21:59Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
22:01smiled and asked
22:03if he could wait for the decision
22:05of the special sessions.
22:07Now, he said that the amendment
22:09has already been made.
22:11Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
22:13also asked the lawyer
22:15if he could wait for the decision
22:17of the special sessions.
22:19In any case,
22:21he said that let's move forward.
22:23Justice Ayesha Malik
22:25was also asked
22:27if he could wait for the decision
22:29of the special sessions.
22:31Justice Ayesha Malik
22:33was also asked
22:35if Adil Bazai was a part
22:37of the list of 81 members
22:39of the special sessions.
22:41The court also said
22:43that the Election Commission
22:45cannot issue a declaration
22:47on this issue.
22:49The court was also told
22:51which community Umidwar
22:53belongs to.
22:55What information did the lawyer
22:57of the Election Commission
22:59provide?
23:30Thank you very much for sharing
23:32all these information with us.
23:34Now, let's go back to the story
23:36of Mr. Hassan Ayub.
23:38Let's go back to the story
23:40of Mazaqrat.
23:42PTA is ready for Mazaqrat.
23:44Let's listen to what
23:46Umar Ayub, Leader of the Opposition,
23:48has to say.
23:59I locally represent Mazaqrat
24:01and I myself represent the Opposition.
24:03This committee will be empowered
24:05to negotiate with everyone.
24:07We would like to negotiate
24:09with sincere and open minds,
24:11we will do everything we can.
24:13Whomever is ready for Mazaqrat,
24:15that would be the Pushtuns,
24:17the Bandi Aadamans and Khapiras.
24:19Whether they are humans,
24:21Farshna and your followers.
24:23Those cases are a lot more
24:25We are ready for Mazaqrat.
24:27There are a lot of cases against Bani PTI.
24:31Do you think these negotiations will take place?
24:34It is possible. Negotiations are not impossible.
24:36The atmosphere that is being created for the negotiations,
24:38it is clear that you are moving away from the rigidness that you were showing.
24:46Which is a good thing to show.
24:48In politics, you move two steps back and then four steps forward.
24:53This is a political method.
24:57Nothing remains unsolved.
25:00In politics, when you sit down, the ways come out.
25:04And if there is a continuation of the protest that you are doing,
25:08then what is the problem?
25:09The problem is that I will speak the truth.
25:11But you always speak the truth.
25:13Imran Khan gave people a mandate in the past.
25:16Talk and withdraw from the back.
25:18So these things were experienced by Shah Mahmood Khurshid.
25:21And Shah Mahmood Khurshid and Fawad Chaudhary.
25:26They were also very worried that they had sent us for a talk and refused us.
25:30There are some ground realities.
25:32I have never said this on the record.
25:34You should do it if it is such a thing.
25:36Chaudhary Gulam Singh, do you think that this joke will continue?
25:42Do you feel the lack of temperature?
25:45Because it is already very cold.
25:47And you also have a lot of mufflers.
25:50Islamabad has a lot of mufflers.
25:52And you have a lot of mufflers there.
25:54Now the temperature will be better.
25:57Chaudhary Gulam Singh, do something about it.
25:59It is enough.
26:00Believe me.
26:01Chaudhary Gulam Singh, do something about it.
26:02No.
26:03What do you want to ask me?
26:05Do you want bloodshed in the country again?
26:10No, Chaudhary Gulam Singh.
26:11What is this?
26:12I am telling you that the PTI has made a five-point mandate.
26:16There are cases after cases on the other side.
26:19So I want to know from you.
26:21Do you think that these matters will move forward in light of your experience?
26:27They have no way.
26:30They can demand as much as they want.
26:33They have lost it.
26:35People of Pakistan are not accepting them.
26:38It is better if they accept it today.
26:40It is better if they accept it tomorrow.
26:42The people of Punjab are being killed.
26:47They are not being killed.
26:48I don't think that they will get anything.
26:52You are trying to say that you don't see these jokes happening.
26:57This is what you are trying to say.
26:59I am saying that these jokes are happening.
27:02Absolutely right.
27:04And there are talks about killing them.
27:08Now the problem is that neither Khabar Lahariya nor Chaudhary Gulam Singh is trusting them.
27:13Chaudhary Gulam Singh is trusting them.
27:15Let's try to improve the atmosphere.
27:18To create a little more coolness in the jokes.
27:22Obviously, the most trustworthy person here is Hassan Ayub.
27:26He is saying that if the matter moves forward, then it will move forward.
27:29On one side, Faisal Wada Sahib.
27:31This responsibility is on his strong shoulders.
27:34And on one side, Hassan Ayub.
27:36I think the jokes will move forward.
27:38Let's go to the break.
27:39After the break, we will talk about Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib's demand from the government.
27:45Regarding the registration of Madaras.
27:47What is it?
27:48Is Maulana Sahib doing politics on this?
27:51Or is the government doing politics on this?
27:53That a law has been passed.
27:56They are not signing on it.
27:58On the other hand, the government held a big conference today.
28:02And the message sent to Maulana Sahib from there is that you will be left alone.
28:07Otherwise, you will have to listen to us.
28:09We will talk about this after the break.
28:16Welcome back viewers.
28:17These days, you are seeing Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib's different press conferences.
28:21He is also holding a lot of gatherings.
28:23Regarding the registration of Madaras.
28:25He was present in Charsada today.
28:28In response to a question from the press conference, he rejected all the government's proposals.
28:59Therefore, we do not accept any government's proposal at this time.
29:03And if they give us something to justify it.
29:06At the moment, my opinion is that if I accept their proposal, then it is a very far thing.
29:10I am not even ready to touch it.
29:12Today, the chairman of the Ulama Council, Maulana Tahir Ashrafi Sahib.
29:20He addressed a large gathering.
29:24Our information minister, Tahir Sahib was also present there.
29:28The government's position is completely different.
29:33In English, it is said that it is diametrically opposed to what Maulana Sahib is saying.
29:38What is he saying? Tahir Ashrafi Sahib, listen.
29:41Today's gathering of the board members of Madaras-e-Arabia and Ulama-e-Mashayikh.
29:47The government of Pakistan demands that the current system of Madaras should be maintained.
29:53In any case, the system of DGRE should not be terminated.
29:57And Madaras should be connected to the education system.
30:01The government should not try to change this system under any pressure.
30:06Nor should it try to terminate it.
30:08You said in 2019 that this is the law.
30:11We have accepted the agreement of 2019.
30:14Today you say that we do not accept this.
30:16Bring a new law.
30:18Four years later you will say, bring a new law.
30:20This will become a game.
30:22We do not want to do politics on the platform of Madrasas.
30:24We have a separate platform for politics.
30:29Viewers are absolutely right that there should be no politics on the basis of Madrasas.
30:34But if we can hear Maulana Sahib's statement in which he is saying that
30:38this law was passed when it was passed on 26 May.
30:43At that time, Mr. Zardari and all the members of the current government were on board.
30:50Maulana Sahib had agreed.
30:52Keep that in mind.
30:54But before going to that, let me show you this law.
30:57Viewers, this act was named 2024.
31:01The act shall be called the Society's Registration Act 2024.
31:06This law was passed by both the houses when the 26th amendment was passed.
31:13The government promised to vote for Maulana Sahib on the 26th amendment.
31:19And we will pass this law and sign it.
31:23When the 26th amendment was passed, President Asif Ali Zardari signed it.
31:29The law that was promised to Maulana Sahib was returned without his signature.
31:35Therefore, that law was not made.
31:37Now the government plans to bring it back to the assembly.
31:39But what is he saying?
31:41Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, listen to this.
31:43The bill that was agreed upon, Pakistan People's Party participated in that agreement.
31:51And when the matter of the 26th amendment was raised again,
31:57we said that this bill has to be passed as well.
32:01I negotiated with the People's Party in Karachi for 5 hours.
32:10And I convinced them on this bill.
32:12I negotiated with Asif Ali Zardari in Lahore,
32:16with Badawal Bhutto Sahib,
32:19with Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib in his house for 5 hours.
32:26And we agreed on this bill there as well.
32:30You got some other bills passed by the assembly.
32:33Mr. Zardari, you signed them all.
32:36Why are you still not signing the bill on religious schools?
32:42He is saying that he signed all the bills, but not all of them.
32:46Mr. Zardari, you have gone against our promise.
32:49And today you explained to him the purpose of the new law.
32:53Today, a new idea has been left.
32:56Earlier, this was related to the Ministry of Education.
33:00I want to tell you.
33:02In this draft, which was passed by the assembly and the parliament,
33:07we have given complete freedom to all the schools,
33:13that they can be associated with any association.
33:17Whether they want to be associated with the 1860 Society Act,
33:22or they want to be associated with the Ministry of Education.
33:27We have made no objections.
33:29Both sides are free.
33:31Every Madrasa is free in this regard.
33:34Then why is it being raised as an issue today?
33:39Who is doing politics on this issue?
33:42I was listening to what Mr. Moulana Sahib was saying.
33:45At that time, there were people in both the houses.
33:49People who could be seen and people who could not be seen.
33:52We got them all ratified and then we got our bill.
33:55Did you talk to anyone today?
33:58No, I did not talk to anyone, but there are some things.
34:01When the APS was attacked, it was said that
34:04when the Madrasa's registration was made as a National Action Plan,
34:07it is a matter of registration.
34:08So, the dispute is still there.
34:09Where is their registration?
34:10That is, where should they go?
34:11Will they come under the Ministry of Religious Affairs?
34:14Will they be associated with the DG Religious Education?
34:19I think the same place is made, but they say that
34:22Mr. Moulana Sahib wants to take it under the Ministry of Industries.
34:25I understand that issue.
34:26What is the relationship of the Ministry of Industries with Madrasa?
34:28I am talking about the Societies Act.
34:30Societies Act?
34:31Yes, Societies Act.
34:32My question to you is that this is an issue.
34:34So, you did not have to go to the wrong government at that time.
34:37You passed the law and got the presidency back from there.
34:40See, basically, whatever the issue is,
34:43now the issue is not just here.
34:45The main difference in this is that
34:48where is the funding of Madrasa from?
34:51I am not 100% sure.
34:52Maybe it should not be said, it is a very sensitive issue.
34:54There is an audit of the funding.
34:56It is very clear that the funding of Madrasa
34:59has nothing to do with the audit.
35:01Neither the government nor Mr. Moulana Sahib are talking about it.
35:03Yes, they are not talking about it.
35:04But the actual dispute, I believe, is about funding and audit.
35:07If you have some information on this, we will talk about it.
35:10Mr. Ghulam Sain, the question is that
35:12you passed a law at that time.
35:15You said that you will vote for us,
35:17and we will sign on this bill.
35:20The real question is that
35:22if there were any problems or issues,
35:24then you would have told Mr. Moulana that
35:26we cannot do this.
35:27But at that time, because 26th January was the date,
35:30he had to do it.
35:31It was on his head.
35:32Yes, it was on his head.
35:33No, not on his head, it was on his head.
35:34We also had it on our head.
35:35Yes, Mr. Joy.
35:36For many days, we had it on 26th January.
35:39When I came there,
35:42I accepted whatever the demands were.
35:45Now, your time has passed.
35:47Now, we think that because we have got the presidency back,
35:50then what is the need for you?
35:51Go and vote.
35:52Okay, Mr. Joy.
35:53We have received your comment on this.
35:55Viewers, we will meet again tomorrow.
35:59Allah Hafiz.