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00:00As-Salaam-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:12As you can see from the last 24 hours, politics is very hot in Islamabad.
00:18One day before that, you saw the Pakistan Jalsa here.
00:22They were given a deadline of 7 o'clock.
00:25They took an announcement.
00:27The agreement was to end the Jalsa at 7 o'clock.
00:30The Jalsa did not end at 7 o'clock.
00:33They overshoot the deadline.
00:35After that, we saw a statement from the Minister, Mohsin Naqvi,
00:40that those who have violated this agreement,
00:43legal action will be taken against them.
00:46Tomorrow, the legal action will begin.
00:50The legal action began in such a way that in the recent parliamentary history of Pakistan,
00:57we got to see a very rare scene.
01:01It was such a great scene that, viewers, there is a proverb in Chinese,
01:06if you want to curse someone,
01:10it is said that you may live in testing times.
01:14Today, we are living in testing times.
01:17Outside the parliament, there is an arrest of Mr. Marwad.
01:23Mr. Afzal Marwad, you know, he also had a great speech.
01:27Similarly, Mr. Barrister Gohar Ayub, the chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:31is also arrested outside the parliament.
01:34Mr. Barrister Gohar.
01:36At the same time, when this news spreads there,
01:39the rest of the PTI people, including Sheikh Waqas,
01:42Zain Qureshi, and a few other people,
01:45are included in that list.
01:47They will also be arrested.
01:49They then decided that instead of going out and being arrested,
01:53they thought that there is a session in the morning.
01:55So, we do the night watch inside the parliament.
01:58That is why we are busy, there is no problem.
02:00So, we watched the videos at night.
02:02They ordered food from outside.
02:03They were eating food.
02:04Then, very late night, in English, we can say wee hours.
02:07Mr. Punjabi Chowdhury, he had a big cold.
02:10I will ask Hassan about those incidents.
02:14The police comes.
02:15In plain clothes, the car goes inside.
02:18These are the visuals.
02:19In plain language, the allegation is being made.
02:23The lights go off inside and then people are arrested.
02:28Today, this whole matter came under discussion in the parliament.
02:33How come the sanctity of the parliament was violated?
02:37Viewers, for the stating of the facts,
02:40the parliament is a no man's land.
02:44In the sense that, the law here is only of the parliament.
02:49The rules and regulations of the parliamentarians,
02:52to regulate that house,
02:54which has been determined,
02:56that goes in the custodianship of the speaker.
03:00If someone has to be arrested there,
03:02if a law enforcement agency has to enter inside,
03:05or if there is an issue of arrest or a law and order,
03:09before that, the speaker has to take permission from the National Assembly.
03:16When this whole matter was put in front of the Speaker National Assembly,
03:20they made the house believe,
03:22that some things have come into my knowledge.
03:25I will definitely take disciplinary action on that.
03:29If I have to file an FIR,
03:31those who have disrespected the parliament,
03:33I will definitely file an FIR.
03:35Listen.
03:36If at night, as it is being said,
03:38whatever happened in the parliament,
03:40definitely, we will have to take a stand on this.
03:43We have asked for videos of all the gates,
03:46on which we have to put responsibility,
03:48we are putting that responsibility.
03:50We will make a law,
03:51and we have to take it seriously.
03:53This is not going to be something so easily taken.
03:56I consider myself unfortunate,
03:59that in 2014,
04:00when I was on this chair,
04:01the first attack was on the parliament.
04:03When a community and their cousins attacked the parliament.
04:07The second attack was on the parliament lodges,
04:09when Maulana Salauddin Ayubi's room was raided in the parliament lodges.
04:14We were also an unfortunate part of that.
04:16And what happened in the parliament yesterday,
04:18and if they have come,
04:20as my colleagues are saying,
04:22we will not remain silent on this.
04:24In 2014, I myself filed an FIR,
04:28and even today, if I have to,
04:31I will file an FIR against the police here,
04:36in the name of the people who did this.
04:40Viewers, this coverage in the different newspapers,
04:44this unfortunate incident of the night,
04:46has been covered in the newspapers.
04:48You can see the Express News in front of you.
04:50You can see that.
04:51In that, it has been said that,
04:53those who entered the police parliament house,
04:56but these are the people who were arrested outside the parliament.
05:00It is being said that,
05:02perhaps this permission was taken.
05:04After that, viewers,
05:05Dunia News, in the parliament house,
05:07all PTI members were arrested in the assembly.
05:11You can see this too, viewers.
05:13After this, Zain Qureshi,
05:15all PTI members were arrested.
05:17This is another news in front of you,
05:19of Dunia Television Channel.
05:21When all this happened,
05:23today, when Ali Mohammad Khan,
05:25Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
05:27entered the house,
05:29then he protested there,
05:31in a very strong manner,
05:33that this should not happen,
05:35this is a great injustice and injustice to us.
05:39Shahzada Sahib, Shafqat Bhai,
05:41Amir Dogar Sahib, Sheikh Waqas Sahib,
05:43Maulana Naseem Sahib,
05:45they took shelter in this parliament last night.
05:47Maulana Naseem Sahib was picked up from the mosque.
05:49Dasti Sahib was in the room with the mosque.
05:51He was picked up from there.
05:53What happened last night,
05:55was the 9th of May,
05:57of the Republic of Pakistan.
05:5910th September, 2024,
06:01in the history of the Republic of Pakistan,
06:03will be remembered as a black father.
06:05Who were those people?
06:07They took our people away.
06:09This is an attack on the Republic.
06:11This is an attack on Pakistan.
06:13This is an attack on the unity of Pakistan.
06:15Whoever has claimed on the parliament,
06:17from where this order has come,
06:19if you want to put a fix, then put it on them.
06:23Naveed Qamar Sahib,
06:25senior parliamentarian of the Pakistan People's Party,
06:27he too,
06:29according to the speaker,
06:31if this has happened,
06:33obviously he is investigating,
06:35he expressed his opinion.
06:37This is an attack on the entire constitution,
06:39as well as on the parliament.
06:41If the members are arrested,
06:43by entering the gates of the parliament,
06:45then what is left?
06:47They will come here,
06:49in the house, and arrest you.
06:51You will have to take serious action,
06:53by conducting a serious inquiry.
06:55Otherwise, there is no limit to where they will stop.
06:57It is an attack on the parliament,
06:59whether it is an attack from here,
07:01or from somewhere else.
07:03We all stand together,
07:05and will not stand for any such activity,
07:07which has happened to the parliament.
07:09Here, what is respect?
07:11Here, I do not see the future.
07:13So, please take action.
07:15The speaker,
07:17Mustafa Kamal,
07:19he too,
07:21he too,
07:23he too,
07:25he too,
07:27he too,
07:29he too,
07:31he too,
07:33he too,
07:35he too,
07:37he too,
07:39he too,
07:41he too,
07:43Mr. Ghulam Sain,
07:45you have seen this incident.
07:47It happened last night.
07:49In the parliament,
07:51from 2000 onwards,
07:53I have also covered different sessions
07:55of the National Assembly.
07:57There are fights inside.
07:59Parliamentarians beat each other.
08:01I have heard a few incidents.
08:03They beat each other.
08:05But there,
08:07the police,
08:09they were not called,
08:11but a group of people
08:13were called,
08:15and arrested.
08:17So, how do you see this
08:19political scenario unfolding?
08:23Tolerance is over.
08:25First of all,
08:27the violence
08:29or the violent discussion,
08:31both are
08:33increasing the violence.
08:35They are not reducing it.
08:37Number one.
08:39Mr. Khawar Govind,
08:41you are such a wise anchor.
08:43You never stop asking questions.
08:45First of all, tell me,
08:47without the permission of the speaker,
08:49not even a cat can enter
08:51the assembly or parliament.
08:53What are you saying?
08:55First of all,
08:57they dragged him to the gates.
08:59Then, in the darkness of the night,
09:01they first locked up the buses
09:03and arrested everyone.
09:05Now you are saying,
09:07Mr. Chaudhary,
09:09they are saying that
09:11we are investigating.
09:13It's very unfortunate, viewers.
09:15All the parliamentarians are saying this.
09:17Mr. Chaudhary,
09:19they have got all the CCTV footage.
09:21After that, the decision is theirs.
09:23Mr. Khwaja Asif also told
09:25about this incident,
09:27how the people of Insaaf
09:29are not able to see anything
09:31other than their leader.
09:33When you say that
09:35Pakistan is not Pakistan,
09:37what will be the reaction of the people?
09:39Don't make the existence of Pakistan
09:41with the existence of a person.
09:43These words justify
09:45this kind of reaction
09:47that came last night.
09:49They have said for 15 days
09:51that they have to release Bani PTI.
09:53Today is the second day,
09:5513 days are left.
09:57We are waiting for them
09:59to come with an army.
10:01We will wait on the bridge.
10:03I think Mr. Khwaja Asif
10:05is accepting that something
10:07has happened.
10:09There were some speeches
10:11in the Jalsa.
10:13Maybe this is his reaction.
10:15Mr. Atta Tariq also said
10:17that the Jalsa was not successful
10:19and he is worried.
10:21They are looking for excuses
10:23to create another issue.
10:25After what happened yesterday,
10:27it is clear that
10:29apart from 3-4 people,
10:31no one dared to come here.
10:33Now they were saying that
10:35they have to release the leader.
10:37They went to release him
10:39but he himself was arrested.
10:41Politics of hatred,
10:43politics of revenge,
10:45politics of division.
10:47We used to tell them
10:49not to do this politics.
10:51These seeds that they have sown,
10:53they will also cut the crops.
10:55We listen to the Parliament
10:57of Supremacy.
10:59We listen to 25 crore members of the community.
11:01We listen to them on every forum
11:03that the Parliament should be
11:05sacred.
11:07The Parliament is the mother
11:09of all institutions.
11:11All people draw their powers
11:13from there.
11:15The incident that happened
11:17in the late night,
11:19how do you see it as a political
11:21commentator?
11:23If you had to arrest him,
11:25you should have done it.
11:27You should not have arrested him
11:29in the Assembly or in the Parliament.
11:31But the arrest that has been done,
11:33they have violated the agreement.
11:35There was a written agreement.
11:37They violated that agreement
11:39so he had to be arrested.
11:41Yes, but the method could have been better.
11:43I agree with you.
11:45Secondly, the previous record
11:47that Khawaja Asif is talking about,
11:49the 9th May Jamaat,
11:51you cannot expect anything good from them.
11:53The kind of words they used,
11:55the kind of agreement they made,
11:57they violated the agreement.
11:59If they come again
12:01and ask for the LOC,
12:03the district administration
12:05will not do this.
12:07They have to provide security.
12:09They have to provide routes.
12:11You have violated the routes.
12:13The route that you had not provided,
12:15the police had to use tear gas shells.
12:17You have injured the safety of the SSP.
12:19These are the things that the police
12:21have done to get beaten up.
12:23That very route
12:25that they have provided,
12:27it is the job of the district administration.
12:29It is not my job or yours.
12:31Sir, let me explain.
12:33There was an agreement.
12:35You got permission.
12:37The other agreed party
12:39said that you have blocked our roads.
12:41This was reported.
12:43When the roads were blocked,
12:45let's say I have to travel
12:47by car or motorbike
12:49for 10-15 minutes.
12:51It will take me 1.5-2 hours.
12:53It is against the agreement.
12:55Don't you think it was done on both sides?
12:57Look at the routes.
12:59Route 26 is not there.
13:01When you are using
13:03the route
13:05that is not there,
13:07many people have been arrested.
13:09The diversion plan,
13:11the workers of Mustandiq Nawaz,
13:13they were people
13:15who were going for work.
13:17They were arrested.
13:19I had to struggle
13:21to get them released.
13:23One of my friends
13:25was in Lahore.
13:27He called me
13:29to get him released.
13:31I tried my best.
13:33But the police did not release him.
13:35The police said they will not release him.
13:37They did not release him
13:39because the route was not ready.
13:41You were arrested there.
13:43Let's go to a break.
13:45After the break,
13:47we will go to Hallowell.
13:49What happened there?
13:51What is the speaker going to do?
13:53We will cover Zulqarnain.
13:55We will cover the police.
13:57How many cases have been filed?
13:59What kind of cases are there?
14:01How many people are in jail?
14:03How many people have to be arrested?
14:05Stay with us.
14:09Welcome back.
14:11Viewers, the news is that
14:13Barrister Gohar,
14:15he was arrested.
14:17Did he get bail?
14:19The case was discharged.
14:21The case was discharged?
14:23Yes.
14:25Our Deputy Bureau Chief,
14:27Azhar Farooq is present in the Parliament.
14:29We know from him
14:31what kind of action
14:33the speaker is going to take
14:35on this night incident.
14:37Tell us,
14:39what kind of investigations
14:41have been done so far?
14:43Do you believe that
14:45the Parliament was trespassed at night?
14:47Did the people go inside?
14:49Did the police do all this
14:51without permission?
14:53Mr. Khawar,
14:55the National Assembly meeting
14:57not only the opposition
14:59but also the government
15:01was raised.
15:03Arrests were made
15:05inside the Parliament House at night.
15:07It has been declared an attack on the Parliament.
15:09Especially Naveed Qamar
15:11was arrested.
15:13It has been demanded
15:15that the speaker take immediate action.
15:17The speaker took immediate action
15:19inside the Parliament.
15:21Not only the opposition
15:23but also the government
15:25called people in their chambers
15:27and held a meeting.
15:29They asked for the I.G.
15:31The speaker not only
15:33questioned the I.G.
15:35but also asked
15:37all the deputies
15:39of the Parliament House
15:41and Cabinet
15:43to take immediate action.
15:45The speaker also
15:47demanded that
15:49the opposition
15:51should be released
15:53immediately.
15:55The speaker also
15:57demanded that the opposition
15:59should be released
16:01immediately.
16:03The speaker took
16:05immediate action.
16:07The speaker took
16:09immediate action.
16:37and he can't go inside without permission.
16:39You also know that we have been in the parliament for a long time and you are also covering it.
16:44If a police officer wants to enter the parliament,
16:46and that too for the purpose of arresting or summoning someone,
16:50he will first ask for permission from the Speaker's office,
16:54and then he will go inside.
16:56Yes, exactly.
16:57When this incident took place at night,
16:59I was present in the Parliament House,
17:01and in front of me, Zain al-Rashid was in contact with the Speaker's office.
17:06When his telephone call ended, Zain al-Rashid himself said that
17:11the Speaker has made it clear that there can be no arrest within the limits of the Parliament House,
17:16nor has he given permission to anyone.
17:19Outside the Parliament House, if the police take any action,
17:22then the Speaker will not be responsible for it.
17:25But the arrest has been outside the main gate of the Parliament House,
17:31and some arrests have been inside the Parliament House.
17:34So there was no permission from the Speaker,
17:37and that is why the Speaker has taken this action.
17:40And he has made it clear that he will not give permission to anyone.
17:43Mr. Azad Farooq, tell us,
17:45at one time, there used to be a lot of allegations that
17:49Mr. Asad Qaisar would not issue a production order for the people who were arrested,
17:53the people of Musnabdeg Nawaz.
17:54So, at this time, the Speaker is issuing a production order,
17:58and on top of that, he is the Custodian of the House,
18:03and from within, he is in collusion with his government, like Mr. Asad Qaisar.
18:07No, the Speaker has issued a production order for the people of Sabli,
18:10Imtiaz, who is still under arrest,
18:13I had issued a production order for him,
18:15he had also come to Ahwan.
18:17And today, the Speaker has made it clear that
18:19all the people who have been accused of FIR,
18:21he will issue a production order for them.
18:23So, just a while ago, we contacted him,
18:25and he said that this production order can be issued at any time.
18:29So, the Speaker has made the opposition believe
18:32that he will issue a production order for the people of Sabli,
18:34so that they can participate in the elections.
18:36Thank you very much, Mr. Farooq.
18:38We will now try to...
18:40No, no, Mr. Farooq...
18:42Wait, wait, Mr. Chaudhary wants to speak.
18:44Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, please.
18:46No, I mean, I myself was the leader of the opposition,
18:49Mian Shah Mahasheer,
18:51his production order had been issued,
18:53I had personally gone to the opposition leader's chamber
18:56and had tea with him.
18:58I don't know in which world you are talking.
19:00But anyway, do what you like.
19:30And how many people will be arrested?
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27:54our numbers are complete and we ate food yesterday and along with that we will talk about a very
28:00unique idea introduced by the federal government in Islamabad, small primary school kids and
28:07gyms are being made in government schools, very good and colourful gyms are being made
28:13so that the kids have the desire to participate in sports, some of them may become like Arshad
28:19Nadeem, Hyder has given a bronze medal in Paralympics, so I think it is a good initiative, we will talk about it, stay with us.
28:32Viewers, it has been a long time that we have been talking about a constitution,
28:36about changes in some laws, finally it has come out of the bag.
28:41Last night, the Prime Minister ate food with his allies, similarly the President called his party members,
28:49people are being told to stay here in Islamabad, this constitution can be brought at any time.
28:57There is news of war, our respected Mr. Saleh Zafar told you, the news of government cannot be trusted better than this.
29:05In the constitution, there is a constitution of fundamental changes,
29:09in the last week of Parliament, the Prime Minister said, the news is in the other line,
29:15some people use the judiciary to put a stop to the government activities,
29:21they will be forced to do so, according to the constitution,
29:24separate courts will be brought in place, that is a very serious issue.
29:32Viewers, the news of the world newspaper, the President and the Prime Minister,
29:36the Prime Minister, the National Assembly and the Senate had a meeting,
29:40they had to present a meme, the news is that the Prime Minister,
29:48Maulana Faizur Rehman and his MNAs and Senators were not there.
29:52Mr. Butt is with us, let us know from him, whether the JOIF has agreed or not,
30:00Mr. Butt, I saw that you had a meeting with some of the senior leaders of the JOIF,
30:05you also did an interview, it seems that they are saying that they will not do it on their own,
30:10but you know that in power, at any time, the game changes, so what is the news?
30:15Mr. Zubin, there is a lot of pressure on them, on Maulana,
30:23and this pressure is not only from the government, but also from their own party,
30:29and some of their family members are putting pressure on them for the government,
30:34and those who are interested in the government, they are pushing them,
30:41and some have also had such meetings with Maulana,
30:45but Maulana, as you know, his political vision is great, and he is an old politician,
30:50so till now, he thinks that this is his political vision,
30:55and the circumstances that have been created yesterday,
30:59have made it more difficult for Maulana to come to power,
31:03and when there is a little peace, then he thinks again,
31:08then he also says in the speech, whether it is Farm 47 or 45,
31:12which makes the opposition angry,
31:15but what has happened yesterday, has made it more difficult for Maulana,
31:20to go to the government of that political position,
31:23that is, today the latest situation is also the same,
31:25that they are saying the same thing, that they will see the issue,
31:31but he is still in the opposition,
31:33this is their last decision, to go to the opposition,
31:36but you are right, that if you look at Maulana's politics,
31:41then it can also change,
31:44Thank you very much Mr. Bhatt,
31:46Viewers, that Englishman says that the week is a long time in politics,
31:49in politics, the week is very long, the game changes in hours,
31:52what is the news, should there be a comment?
31:54Look, Maulana sir, till now,
31:56neither has he decided that he will join the government,
32:00nor has he decided that he will not,
32:02there has been a contact, there has been a proposal,
32:04but he has not yet given an answer,
32:06yes, I can give you the news of one thing,
32:08Maulana is not going with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaad,
32:11they can never go,
32:13they can stay silent,
32:15no, they will not go with them in any issue,
32:17in any issue, Pakistan will not go with Tehreek-e-Insaad,
32:20if Tehreek-e-Insaad wants to follow them, they will come,
32:23there will be meetings,
32:25if PTI wants to follow Maulana, then fine,
32:28otherwise Maulana will not follow them.
32:30Mr. Chaudhary Glam Sir,
32:33from the first day, they keep recording,
32:38as much as Maulana wanted to benefit from PTI, he did,
32:43when they put so many allegations,
32:47which PTI also did not put,
32:49regarding the elections,
32:51now leave that,
32:52so regarding Maulana,
32:55he does not have a trump card,
33:00nor does he have so much weight in the assembly,
33:03so because of that, I am not a part of it.
33:06Mr. Chaudhary, let me tell you a little,
33:08listen, Mr. Chaudhary,
33:10the senate needs 64,
33:12and 5 senators,
33:142-3rd majority,
33:16the government has 212 in the national assembly,
33:198 are MNAs,
33:2222 and the rest need 4 to make 224,
33:25so I think this trump card is there,
33:27that is why you see,
33:29Mr. Shahbaz Sharif goes to his house immediately,
33:31even Mr. Asif Ali Zardari,
33:34his health is not that good,
33:37but he also goes to Maulana's house,
33:41this means,
33:43Maulana was with him till yesterday,
33:46that is what I am saying,
33:48how can you say that he does not have a trump card,
33:51you are missing the point,
33:54the principal contradiction of the country,
33:58is PTI vs. the present law,
34:01it is their fight,
34:03the decision will be theirs,
34:05nothing else,
34:07nothing consequential.
34:09But in politics,
34:11it is a matter of opportunity,
34:13when the people are hot,
34:15you have to hit a little,
34:17otherwise there is no purpose.
34:19That is why Maulana's importance
34:21will always be there,
34:23today Maulana's importance is there,
34:25it is possible that in between,
34:27in a few months,
34:29what is Maulana's importance,
34:31Maulana does not have a single seat,
34:33neither in the Senate,
34:35nor in the National Assembly,
34:37Maulana does not have street power,
34:39in the whole of Pakistan.
34:41This is an amendment,
34:43what can we do now?
34:45This is an amendment,
34:47when it is going to happen,
34:49I will tell you,
34:51not now.
34:53Viewers,
34:55let's move on to the next story,
34:57hold your hearts.
34:59These pictures
35:01are not of any western country,
35:03not a developed country,
35:05this is Pakistan, Islamabad,
35:07the school of the government
35:09is in E7,
35:11there are very good
35:13mats below,
35:15children are being taught yoga,
35:17exercises are being done,
35:19I was talking to the Secretary of Education,
35:21he is bringing a lot of people
35:23to this side,
35:25look at the floor,
35:27look at the uniforms,
35:29yoga, judo, karate,
35:31look at the children,
35:33show the picture of the government school,
35:35go back a little,
35:37you will see the picture of the outside.
35:39I think this is very important,
35:41every day we talk about
35:43a social issue,
35:45when you incentivize
35:47in schools,
35:49children will get
35:51things to play,
35:53Chaudhary sahib,
35:55when I was young,
35:57I used to get sweaty
35:59when I saw the teacher,
36:01I am afraid,
36:03that instead of showing
36:05tomorrow,
36:07don't go there to do yoga.
36:09Chaudhary sahib,
36:11this is a very healthy thing,
36:13I am saying that
36:15you should remember your time,
36:17what did your teacher
36:19do to you,
36:21this is a good initiative,
36:23what do you say Hassan?
36:25Very good,
36:27this is the standard of
36:29American schools,
36:31Waheed Iman,
36:33he has done a lot in GB,
36:35one must appreciate,
36:37he is a very competent person,
36:39he should be utilized,
36:41in the education sector,
36:43if he can do it,
36:45if he can improve
36:47the government schools,
36:49then it can be replicated
36:51in the whole country,
36:53the standard of schools
36:55can be improved,
36:57this is a good initiative,
36:59it should be continued,
37:01if there is a lack of funding,
37:03then the government
37:05and international donors
37:07should invest in this.
37:09Do you do yoga?
37:11I do stretching.
37:13It is a very good initiative,
37:15you know that 25 million
37:17governments of Punjab, Sindh,
37:19Balochistan, KP,
37:21we talked about the situation
37:23in Balochistan yesterday,
37:25so it is very important,
37:27along with politics,
37:29the government should invest
37:31in the education of our children,
37:33and in the western world,
37:35the public school system
37:37is preferred,
37:39unfortunately,
37:41our children,
37:43like Hassan's children,
37:45have lost the concept
37:47of private schools,
37:49government schools,
37:51although I have studied
37:53in a government school,
37:55I have studied in a high school,
37:57so it is very important
37:59to improve our school system.
38:01That's all for today,
38:03see you tomorrow, Allah Hafiz.

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