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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:11Dear viewers, two good news.
00:13You have seen that the stock exchange has crossed 100 lakhs the day before yesterday.
00:18And it is continuing to grow.
00:21What will be the impact of this on the economy of Pakistan?
00:24What will be the impact on the lives of the common people?
00:26And what does this show in terms of the economy of Pakistan?
00:30Along with this, as we mentioned yesterday,
00:33Mr. Mateeullah Jaan, our colleague,
00:35he was arrested for filing an FIR against him.
00:40He was remanded for two days.
00:42And today, there was a request for the questioning of that FIR in Islamabad High Court.
00:47What was the decision on that?
00:49We will also share that with you.
00:51But first of all, our top story for today,
00:55it is related to the protest of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:01We will talk about the related news.
01:07The confusion is increasing.
01:09The confusion is increasing.
01:11Especially in Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:14the decision-making process,
01:17whether to go to D-Chowk or not,
01:19whether to stay in Sangiani,
01:21why the remaining parties from all the countries were not able to come.
01:25If this was a final call,
01:27then why did the party not put all the emphasis on the final call?
01:29Then the day before yesterday,
01:31you will remember that there was a meeting.
01:33After that, some decisions started coming.
01:36First of all, we got the news
01:38that the General Secretary of the resignation,
01:40Mr. Salman Akram Rai, has resigned.
01:42After that, there was a news.
01:44After the news came,
01:47it could not be confirmed that
01:50Bani PTI has removed its chairman, Barrister Gohar,
01:54and replaced him with Asad Qaiser.
01:57The news was told that this is not a confirmed news.
02:01Our Bureau Chief, our Peshawar, Zia-ul-Haq, will also go to him.
02:05Today, we have invited Respected Mohammad Zubair in the program.
02:09He was the former Minister of Privatization.
02:12He was the former Minister of Privatization.
02:14After that, he was the former Governor of Sindh.
02:17And if I may say,
02:19he was the Chief Organizer of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
02:22And the current President,
02:24Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
02:26and the Chief Minister of Punjab,
02:28who is also the Chief Organizer of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
02:31He has been very close to him.
02:33So, the politics that is happening in Pakistan right now,
02:35especially this very big incident that took place in Islamabad,
02:39will politics move forward in the same routine?
02:42Or we are seeing that the style of politics in Pakistan may change.
02:49Today, there was a very big meeting,
02:51especially regarding the Law and Order,
02:53which was chaired by the Prime Minister.
02:55The Chief Minister was also invited in that meeting.
02:58The Chief Army Staff was also present in that meeting.
03:00And they said that Pakistan Tareek-e-Insaf,
03:02I do not consider it a political party, but a sedition party.
03:05And every two to three months,
03:07the Chief Army Staff of Pakistan Tareek-e-Insaf
03:09starts an army on Islamabad.
03:11And the decision has also been made by the Ummah,
03:14that they are going to make a special right force
03:16for the protection of Islamabad.
03:18So, first of all, let's talk about the group
03:21that has been formed in Pakistan Tareek-e-Insaf.
03:24Sahibzada Hamid Raza,
03:26who is the Chief Organizer of Pakistan Tareek-e-Insaf,
03:29he is a part of it.
03:31Yesterday, he said in Mr. Badami's program,
03:34that there is a grouping in the party.
03:36And I respect it.
03:38But there is a lot of pressure
03:41regarding this protest.
03:43And a lot of things are bad.
03:45For this reason, I thought it appropriate
03:47that I step aside.
03:49There is some grouping in Pakistan Tareek-e-Insaf.
03:52I am not the part of any grouping, sir.
03:55Sir, I am not ready to accept undue criticism.
03:59I am that sort of a person.
04:01I respect it.
04:02In return, I also demand respect.
04:04I am not ready to take anyone's mistake
04:07into my own hands.
04:09If you are protecting someone else,
04:12and you are putting everyone in danger,
04:15then this kind of an attitude,
04:17I don't go along with it.
04:19I am neither shameless nor shameless.
04:21Neither I am shameless nor shameless.
04:23Last night, in Kashif Abbasi's program,
04:26Kashif Abbasi had revealed that
04:29he has also spoken to some party leaders.
04:32The real reason behind Salman Akram Raiya's resignation
04:37is that Bani PTI's wife came to a meeting
04:41for a while.
04:43She used very harsh words there.
04:46She said, I have reached D-Chowk.
04:48Where were you?
04:50These words were used there.
04:52Shameless and shameless.
04:54When Salman Akram Raiya was asked about this,
04:59he is obviously a shameless man.
05:02His reaction is also in front of you.
05:05On my own level,
05:07according to my conscience and mind,
05:10I think that the party should make new decisions.
05:14We are entering a new era.
05:17The previous era, before November 24,
05:20I think that we adopted a system.
05:24And by adopting that system,
05:27we had almost reached a goal.
05:30Now, we may have to adopt a new system.
05:34And in that new system,
05:36I think that my role as a lawyer and a judge
05:39will be more important.
05:41Viewers, Mr. Chaudhary Ram Singh is from Lahore.
05:44Hassan Ayyub is with me.
05:46We formally welcome Mr. Mohammad Zubair.
05:49Thank you very much, Mr. Mohammad Zubair.
05:52Before coming to you,
05:54our Bureau Chief, Mr. Peshawar,
05:57would like to give you some news.
05:59Yesterday, he said that
06:01his chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
06:04was also changed.
06:06But this news was not confirmed later.
06:08There was a meeting today.
06:10There was a press conference of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
06:13What did they say?
06:15Mr. Zubair, please tell us.
06:17Yesterday, some decisions were made.
06:19Has Salman Akram Raiya's resignation been accepted yet?
06:22He also came from Peshawar.
06:24Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan was made General Secretary of Tariq-e-Insaaf.
06:31What is going on in the party?
06:35I think that the leadership of the party
06:38is in the midst of confusion.
06:41Blame games are being played on each other.
06:44And then there are some wishes of the leaders of the party.
06:51In this meeting,
06:54the blame game was being played.
06:57It was said that
06:59Bushra Bibi was called for this meeting
07:03to show the MNA's and MPA's their activities.
07:08Why are these complaints being received about them?
07:12When the protest reached Islamabad,
07:17they were not seen there.
07:19The MNA's were confused.
07:23They said that
07:25in the recent events,
07:31many MNA's have made sacrifices.
07:34They have been offered money.
07:37They have been offered portfolios.
07:40But they have rejected it.
07:42And they are standing with Bani Qaid.
07:44It is not right to blame them.
07:47They also said that
07:49in the negotiations with Bani PTI,
07:52there was a lot of confusion
07:55regarding the protest.
07:58A place had been decided
08:01which was a means of success in the negotiations.
08:05But then this allegation was made
08:08that the rally has moved forward.
08:12There is a debate going on about this.
08:15Has the resignation of Salman Rehman
08:19been accepted by the party committee
08:23or will it be put in front of Bani PTI?
08:26There is a lot of pressure
08:28regarding the change of chairman.
08:31They have talked about all these things.
08:34They have been told not to resign.
08:37Their resignation has not been accepted.
08:40But this is a condition
08:42of the Bani chairman.
08:44Everything will be put in front of him.
08:47In the last meeting,
08:49when there were objections,
08:51he said openly that
08:53no one has the right
08:55to question us.
08:57If anyone can question us,
08:59then he is the Bani chairman.
09:01We do not think that
09:03we should explain to anyone.
09:05Thank you very much.
09:07If we need anything else,
09:09we will contact you.
09:11Your initial reaction
09:13from the planning of the rally
09:15to its conclusion,
09:17being a political worker by yourself,
09:20when you were a part of
09:22Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
09:24during that time,
09:26Pakistan Muslim League Noon
09:28also had a big movement.
09:30They held rallies in different cities.
09:32When they raised the slogan
09:34of Vote Queso 2,
09:36in your thoughts,
09:38where was the lack?
09:40You have a support base.
09:42In spite of that,
09:44the impression is that
09:46the rally was not successful.
09:48The objectives were not achieved
09:50as planned.
09:54Thank you very much, Khawar.
09:56First of all,
09:58there are two parts to this.
10:00One is the government's strategy
10:02and the other is the PTI's strategy.
10:04The government's strategy,
10:06if I take that first,
10:08is important because
10:10whenever the PTI gives a protest call,
10:12especially on 24th November,
10:14there is a reaction of the government.
10:16This time,
10:18there was a lot of reaction.
10:20There has been before also.
10:22How was the reaction?
10:24The reaction was that
10:26Punjab should be sealed
10:28through containers.
10:30There should be no place
10:32for a motorcycle to pass through.
10:34No exit from Lahore,
10:36no entry from Punjab
10:38through KP.
10:40When you do this
10:42and increase the protest
10:44so much that you call the police
10:46and rangers from Sindh
10:48to add to the protest,
10:50there is only one objective.
10:52It will lead to confrontation.
10:54How will there be confrontation?
10:56A protest will come from there
10:58whether it is 10,000,
11:00100,000 or 100,000.
11:02Wherever it comes from,
11:04there will be confrontation.
11:06The government was not
11:08concerned about
11:10what will it lead to.
11:12They were afraid
11:14that they will not come out.
11:16If they come out,
11:18there will be confrontation.
11:20This is where
11:22I blame the government.
11:24Whenever there is a protest call,
11:26you start arresting.
11:28You start arresting.
11:30Then you implement
11:32everything so that
11:34the people cannot come out.
11:36If they try to come out,
11:38they will eventually
11:40be stopped.
11:42That will lead to confrontation.
11:44When you say that the workers
11:46of Tehreek-e-Insaf
11:48took action,
11:50it is a natural thing.
11:52Take it to the past.
11:54When you mentioned me,
11:56I was with Maryam Nawaz
11:58in more than 95% of the rallies.
12:00I will give you
12:02a small example.
12:04In Islamabad,
12:06on 18th January 2021,
12:08the PMLN started a rally
12:10from Pindi.
12:12All the leaders
12:14gathered at Maryam Aurangzeb's
12:16mother's house.
12:18They sat in the container
12:20and said that there was a rush
12:22in Pindi.
12:24They will enter Islamabad
12:26through Serena and
12:28come back.
12:30Not a single police officer
12:32stopped them.
12:34If you had
12:36sent 10,000 police officers
12:38to Maryam Aurangzeb's house,
12:40Maryam Nawaz would have
12:42gone back.
12:44She calls the leaders
12:46to move forward.
12:48That would have led to
12:50confrontation.
12:52I am giving you this
12:54reference because
12:56when Maryam Nawaz
12:58was supposed to hold a rally in Lahore,
13:00on 13th December,
13:02she said that
13:04the rally was being
13:06protected because
13:08she did not know
13:10the meaning of the words.
13:12She said that
13:14Maryam Nawaz's rally
13:16was held three days
13:18before the rally.
13:20The rally was held
13:22in different parts of the city
13:24on 13th December.
13:26Not a single police officer
13:28stopped them.
13:30First, the government
13:32should do its part.
13:34When the fundamental rights
13:36of the people are guaranteed,
13:38will you try to stop them?
13:40Let's go step by step.
13:42First, the government's reaction.
13:44From the government's side,
13:46there is a narrative.
13:48Hassan has told us
13:50that this is an anti-Sharia party.
13:52They attack people and create
13:54chaos.
13:56They don't think
13:58that we are demonstrating.
14:00They think that we want to win.
14:02Yes, Hassan.
14:04Mr. Zubair,
14:06I would like to ask you
14:08that you said that
14:10they blocked
14:12Punjab, Sindh and other areas
14:14continuously.
14:16This means that
14:18they themselves invited
14:20confrontation.
14:22In Punjab and Sindh,
14:24let's not talk about Balochistan,
14:26how many confrontations
14:28and spots did you see
14:30on social media?
14:32How many people
14:34were there
14:36on social media
14:38in Punjab and Karachi?
14:40Tell us.
14:42Yes.
14:44I didn't see anyone.
14:46My counter question is
14:48that you are saying
14:50that there were no containers in Lahore.
14:52You are saying that
14:54there were no containers in Faisalabad.
14:56So, if there was no confrontation,
14:58it was not because
15:00their workers removed
15:02the containers.
15:04This is why there was no confrontation.
15:06But you said that
15:08there were no containers in Punjab and Karachi.
15:10Were there no containers?
15:12You said that there were containers
15:14in Punjab and Sindh.
15:16I am telling the truth.
15:18So, there was no confrontation
15:20in Punjab and Sindh.
15:22Is it true that
15:24the PTA claims that
15:26the rest of the Jamaats
15:28have to bring their workers
15:30like sheep and goats?
15:32And the crowd of PTA
15:34comes out on its own.
15:36But here in Punjab,
15:38the workers are far away.
15:40So, what is this?
15:42This is a revolution.
15:44Hassan Ayyub,
15:48I agree with you.
15:50Hassan Ayyub,
15:52I agree with you.
15:54If there was no crowd,
15:56if there was no support,
15:58then why do you put containers?
16:00Why do you try to stop it?
16:02Why do you arrest workers
16:043-4 days before?
16:06Why do you put containers?
16:08You start making cases.
16:10You start cutting FIRA.
16:12Why do you do this?
16:14I have given you an example of PMLN.
16:16You keep following it.
16:18Tell me about one Jalsa.
16:20Bahawalpur, Multan, Jhelum, Gujranwala Jalsa.
16:22Did anything happen?
16:24Not even one police officer
16:26tried to stop it.
16:28You ask for help from Sindh.
16:30And then you say that
16:32there was a confrontation.
16:34There will be a confrontation.
16:36When there is a Jalusa in London,
16:38no one is stopped.
16:40What kind of argument is this?
16:42This argument is that
16:44the KPK government came here.
16:46That's why they had to put containers.
16:48And they should not get support base
16:50from behind.
16:52So that they don't attack the youth.
16:54Hassan Ayyub,
16:56I will answer.
16:58Calm down.
17:00I have an answer for this too.
17:023 vs 1.
17:04Come.
17:06Hassan Ayyub's answer.
17:08Hassan Ayyub's answer.
17:10In March 2022,
17:12Bilawal Bhutto,
17:14who was leading from Sindh government.
17:16Sindh government was with him.
17:18He did a long march.
17:20From Karachi to Islamabad.
17:22Where did he reach?
17:24Constitution Avenue.
17:26Was he stopped somewhere?
17:28Whose government was in Punjab?
17:30PTI's government.
17:32Who was in Wafaaq? PTI's government.
17:34How did he reach?
17:36In March,
17:38he took out a rally from Lahore.
17:40Where was he stopped?
17:42Where did he land?
17:44Constitution Avenue.
17:46One police officer told
17:48one incident.
17:50You are saying that you will do everything
17:52and then the consequences
17:54of all that,
17:56you will accuse him.
17:58Why didn't you stop Bilawal Bhutto?
18:00Who was he coming up to?
18:02The entire Sindh government was supporting him.
18:04All the resources
18:06were from Sindh government.
18:08He came out of Karachi.
18:10Who was financing the train?
18:12Was it a train?
18:14Who was stopping him?
18:16Hold on.
18:18I will come to you.
18:20What happened, Mr. Hassan?
18:22Was it a train?
18:24Was it a firecracker?
18:26Was it a tear gas?
18:28Were there any people with him?
18:30Let's move ahead.
18:32Let's take a short break.
18:34We will talk after the break.
18:36The decision was made
18:38in Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
18:40I would like to hear
18:42Mr. Mohammad Zubair's opinion on this.
18:44It is being said now
18:46that there was a disagreement
18:48within the strategy
18:50due to which
18:52the protest did not succeed.
18:54We will talk about this in detail.
18:56Pakistan-Muslim League Noon
19:00The next question is
19:02that Pakistan-Muslim League Noon
19:04and especially the ministers
19:06of the Noon
19:08are celebrating
19:10the wedding of
19:12the Holy Prophet.
19:14We are hearing about it.
19:16They said that
19:18he had run away
19:20without his shoes and clothes.
19:22He did not
19:24Ali Min has said that he is changing the name of Gandapur.
19:29Now, the question is being asked from two angles.
19:33From this perspective, in your opinion, has Pakistan's policy of justice been a loss or a benefit?
19:40And the steps taken by the government,
19:43do you think that in the long term, in the long run,
19:47has the government earned its political and administrative merit?
19:52Now, for the next two thousand and thirty-nine years,
19:55obviously, this assembly is going to be held.
19:56So, that is a shock.
19:57Mohammad Zubair sahib.
20:01Yes, I think we talked about the government.
20:04In terms of PTI, I would like to say one thing.
20:06Yes, yes, exactly.
20:07This is what I wanted to say.
20:08Whether their decision was successful or not.
20:11Exactly.
20:12Look, one thing is obvious.
20:16We are looking at it from a distance.
20:18I do not know what is inside.
20:19So, looking at it from a distance, it seemed that they had no strategy, no plan.
20:24And if there was a plan, then to implement it, to execute it,
20:28to the last detail, as they say, you are going to fight such a big battle.
20:33So, you should have an idea of everything.
20:36And the biggest mistake of PTI was that they massively underestimated
20:43to what extent the government could go.
20:45They thought that this is 2014 and Chaudhary Nisar is the interior minister
20:50and he will sit for 126 days and will not do anything.
20:53So, this was a completely different government.
20:56It was the government of Nawaz Sharif or Shibaz Sharif.
20:58At that time, Mohsin Naqvi was the interior minister.
21:00And we have seen in the last one, one and a half, two years
21:04that this government is ready to go to some extent.
21:07In which even if you have to kill people, they are also ready to kill.
21:10So, if you had not made this part of your strategy,
21:15that those workers will be able to handle this thing
21:20when they will start being viciously attacked.
21:23Even tear gas shelling, the way it was used,
21:26tear gas shelling happens once in a while and then it stops.
21:28But in a full-blown way.
21:30And then whatever other things happened.
21:33The second thing, which was the biggest mistake,
21:35and as a political worker I can say this,
21:38the workers who are sitting, they want to see that their leadership is present there.
21:42Absolutely right.
21:43Obviously, no leader can be present there for 24 hours.
21:46But after half an hour, after two hours, a leader comes,
21:50encourages them, addresses them.
21:53I have not seen him at least, hardly.
21:55So, I will definitely give credit to Gandharpur sir in that respect
21:58that at least he was there.
22:00Where were the rest of Barrister Gauhar?
22:03Where were the rest of Ali Muhammad Khan?
22:05If they were there, we would not have seen them.
22:07So, when your leadership was there,
22:09and because of this, the loss for PTI,
22:11what you are saying, what is the benefit for PMLN,
22:13this is the loss and for PTI.
22:15Look, Imran Khan is in PTI and workers are below.
22:19It was May 9th, after that we saw that
22:21there were 4-4 press conferences every day
22:23and people were leaving.
22:25So, people thought that PTI is over.
22:27Similarly, those big people,
22:29very big names who were associated with them for 10-10 years,
22:32but they left,
22:34unknown names came,
22:36and on February 8th there was an election and they swept it.
22:39So, PTI is Imran Khan,
22:41and his workers are below.
22:43And as long as he is there,
22:45I can tell you that
22:47at the level of these workers,
22:49their anger against the ruling party
22:51has increased even more.
22:53Whether they are liberal Pakistanis,
22:55who are supporters of PTI,
22:57who have an overwhelming majority,
22:59whether they are middle class,
23:01educated,
23:03whether they are from lower strata,
23:05who are poor,
23:07whether they are Sindhi, Punjabi or Pashtun,
23:09the anger against the ruling elite
23:11has increased 100 times
23:13after what has happened.
23:15Absolutely.
23:17I got your point.
23:19Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan,
23:21till yesterday,
23:23if you have spoken to a PTI leader,
23:25like Mr. Mohammad Zubair,
23:27what is the reason behind
23:29the non-presence of PTI leaders
23:31in the elections?
23:33Was there a lack of coordination?
23:36Was there a lack of coordination
23:38regarding the grouping issue,
23:40as Mr. Hamid Raza told us?
23:42Or was there any other reason?
23:44And if you have any questions,
23:46you can ask them to Mr. Mohammad Zubair.
23:48No, no.
23:50Mr. Zubair is right.
23:52If you can't score a goal in D,
23:54then you are a failure
23:56in that situation.
23:58But this is not the reason.
24:00Their success is that
24:02hundreds of thousands of people
24:04were arrested in the city
24:06and they were beaten up
24:08and shelled.
24:10Despite all this,
24:12they were successful in reaching there.
24:14Their failure is that
24:16the purpose for which
24:18they called on 24th November
24:20was not fulfilled.
24:22And if they don't talk about it,
24:24then it is better.
24:26And the other thing
24:28that you have asked,
24:30I have talked about it.
24:33But there is a confusion
24:35as to which place
24:37the protest should have been held
24:39in Islamabad.
24:41The picture is not clear yet.
24:43Hassan, you can ask your question.
24:45Look, I am happy that
24:47Mr. Mohammad Zubair's
24:49method of justice
24:51is not a method,
24:53but a personality.
24:55People worship one person
24:57and I think there is
24:59no room for that in Islam.
25:01Hassan, I am talking about myself.
25:03I don't understand what he is saying.
25:05You are saying something else.
25:07Look, there are three people.
25:09Mr. Zubair.
25:11I have started talking.
25:13Let me moderate the show.
25:15Let me moderate the show.
25:17I am saying that
25:19this worship thing is
25:21completely disrespectful.
25:23We will say that
25:25Bilawal Buddha Zardari's
25:27or Tahiyyat Qaid's worship
25:30is completely disrespectful.
25:32Look, Mr. Zubair,
25:34a non-political woman
25:36comes to the
25:38political committee
25:40meetings.
25:42Now, first,
25:44how did she come?
25:46If she is a non-political woman,
25:48who allowed her to come?
25:50When she came,
25:52she said,
25:54words like
25:56disrespectful and shameless
25:58to senior elected president
26:00Kashif Wasi,
26:02who is already
26:04a member of the party
26:06and a member of the
26:08political committee.
26:10So,
26:12did she not react
26:14because of her personality?
26:16Otherwise,
26:18if a common man
26:20comes to a political party
26:22meeting,
26:24how can she talk like that?
26:27Yes, Mr. Zubair.
26:29And also,
26:31did she make a right choice
26:33or a wrong one?
26:35Mr. Zubair.
26:37I think,
26:39it was inappropriate
26:41for Busha Bibi
26:43to initiate
26:45and give a statement
26:47about Saudi Arabia
26:49and then lead
26:51this process.
26:53It was inappropriate
26:55for her.
26:57It happens in every
26:59political party in Pakistan.
27:01But she is not a political worker.
27:03She has never done politics.
27:05We have never seen her.
27:07Obviously, she has been living
27:09with Imran Khan.
27:11But as a political worker,
27:13understanding the implications
27:15of everything,
27:17where are we going,
27:19what are the objectives,
27:21how to solve them,
27:24it was a wrong decision.
27:26I don't know
27:28how to stop her.
27:30I am not privy to this.
27:32Hassan Ayub has asked
27:34a question
27:36about her going
27:38to a political meeting.
27:40I don't know the words
27:42and I won't comment on it.
27:44But her going
27:46and if it happened,
27:48it was wrong.
27:50And because of this,
27:52Salman Akram Raja
27:54is an educated person.
27:56But if Hassan Ayub
27:58is a PM or a PVP,
28:00and there is a figure
28:02who has a direct relationship
28:04with the President,
28:06then 99.99%
28:08political leaders,
28:10will not dare
28:12to say anything.
28:14So let's not put it
28:16entirely on PTI.
28:18But it was wrong
28:20I will tell you one thing,
28:22Hamza Shehbaz Chaudhary
28:24was chairing a meeting
28:26and his son
28:28was sitting quietly
28:30in the back.
28:32He didn't say a word
28:34and Chaudhary was
28:36continuously talking.
28:38Hamza Shehbaz Chaudhary
28:40has covered a lot
28:42because you are close
28:44to all political parties.
28:46You have a lot of information.
28:48There is a lot of debate
28:50on international media
28:52in Pakistan.
28:54Obviously, Tariq-e-Insaf
28:56has its own point of view.
28:58Different figures are coming.
29:00International media
29:02is using its sources
29:04to present different figures.
29:06This is part of the story.
29:08How should it be addressed?
29:10Should there be a judicial commission?
29:12Should the government
29:14take an initiative in this regard?
29:16As you said,
29:18violence has been used
29:20by the government.
29:22If the government
29:24has to ignore this,
29:26what steps can it take?
29:28We will talk about this after the break.
29:34Mr. Zubair,
29:36BBC is giving the figures
29:38of 3-4 people.
29:40Godin's story,
29:42New York Times mentioned 4 people.
29:44Obviously, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
29:46has its own point of view.
29:48I was listening to Mr. Rana Sanalo.
29:50He is saying that it has happened.
29:52Similarly, Mr. Khaqan-e-Pasi
29:54was on a TV show last night.
29:56He also confirmed that
29:58there have been deaths.
30:00The government will have to
30:02suffer the consequences.
30:04What do you think?
30:06This is an incident.
30:08The responsibility of the government
30:10on this incident is
30:12untied.
30:14You have to decipher it
30:16and tell people that it happened.
30:18Mr. Nadevi is saying that
30:20if there has been any such incident
30:22or a dead body,
30:24please bring it to us.
30:26We don't know what happened.
30:28There was violence.
30:30People were running
30:32to save their lives.
30:34Thousands of people were running.
30:36Why were they running?
30:38To save their lives.
30:40The whole world saw it.
30:42We also know that
30:44the lights were switched off.
30:46Very few people saw
30:48what happened after that.
30:50We also know that
30:52Mateeullah Jaan was picked up
30:54because he is an investigative reporter.
30:56He went to investigate
30:58PIMS hospital
31:00to find out how many
31:02dead bodies were there.
31:04That's why he was picked up.
31:06You were clearing the evidence.
31:08Everyone has their own numbers.
31:10I don't care
31:12if it's 2, 4 or 10.
31:14If it's 10 or 6,
31:16let me tell you a historical incident.
31:18In November 1968,
31:20two students
31:22from Polytechnic Institute
31:24were shot dead
31:26by the police
31:28in Pindi.
31:30Two students were killed.
31:32That was the beginning
31:34of the movement
31:36against Ayub Khan.
31:38Ayub Khan died within 4 months.
31:40Because those two students
31:42were not acceptable.
31:44You don't care
31:46if it's 2, 4 or 10.
31:48You don't care
31:50if it's 2, 4 or 10.
31:52PTI has its own number.
31:54I am not representing PTI.
31:56I don't know the reality.
31:58Until such an incident
32:00doesn't happen,
32:02like Benazir Bhutto,
32:04who was killed
32:06by the police.
32:08We had to remove the evidence.
32:10If you remove the evidence
32:12in the dark,
32:14what will the commission do?
32:16PTI and PMLN
32:18will have their own narrative.
32:20We will all
32:22question
32:24what happened.
32:26Shahid Khan Abbasi
32:28is one of the most honorable
32:30and decent politicians.
32:32Ayub Khan will also agree.
32:34He said that he
32:36buried two students
32:38in his own area
32:40who were shot.
32:42The bullets were fired.
32:44It doesn't matter
32:46if it's 2 or 10.
32:48The question is,
32:50why were the bullets fired?
32:52If people didn't run,
32:54they would have died.
32:56People didn't run
32:58like they did in their lives.
33:00The bullet was fired.
33:02The bullet was fired
33:04when a police officer
33:06was martyred.
33:08If a political worker's life
33:10is at stake,
33:12our uniformed personnel
33:14are also at stake.
33:16They are martyred.
33:18We saw a bullet shot
33:20on their chest.
33:22Who shot
33:24the police personnel?
33:26Secondly,
33:28the police have
33:30the permission
33:32to use weapons
33:34to maintain law and order.
33:42We have been talking
33:44since the first day.
33:46Three Rangers were martyred.
33:48They are our brothers.
33:50They are our elders.
33:52They are our brothers.
33:54They are our elders.
33:56The whole of Pakistan is sad.
33:58A soldier was martyred.
34:00The question is,
34:02is this a political game?
34:04Is this a political game?
34:06Is this a political game?
34:08What is your final comment?
34:10You are the most experienced
34:12among us.
34:14What should the Judicial Commission
34:16do to solve this issue?
34:20No one has to do anything.
34:22What will happen to the judiciary
34:24will be decided on the streets.
34:26If not today,
34:28then tomorrow.