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"The current government’s Prime Minister didn’t even win his seat..." Miftah Ismail's Bold Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:14Today is 20th December, Friday, and this is our last program for this week.
00:19Dear viewers, we will start the program with two positive news.
00:23The first news is that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman has met with the Prime Minister, Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif.
00:31The Prime Minister has told Maulana that we will address all your concerns.
00:39The second good news is that the environment in the Quram Agency has been closed for more than 60 days.
00:47There is a shortage of spices, and there is a shortage of other essential items.
00:53Today, the EPICS Committee was held in Peshawar.
00:56The Interim Minister, the Chief Minister, and all the heads of security were seated.
01:02The decision was made that the entire area will be cleared of heavy weapons, and the bunkers will be demolished.
01:12Let's move on to the program.
01:14Today, by chance, we have more guests from Karachi in our program.
01:18Haider Naqvi is also in Karachi.
01:20Hassan Ayub is also in Karachi.
01:22And our chief guest today is Mr. Mifta Ismail, one and only, former Federal Minister of Finance.
01:29As you know, he has been a part of Pakistan Muslim League for a long time.
01:32We have invited him to talk about Pakistan's economic and political situation.
01:37Obviously, our program is incomplete without Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain.
01:41He is from Lahore, as usual.
01:43MashaAllah, he is wearing a red scarf today.
01:46Mr. Chaudhary, thank you. You have changed your color.
01:49Earlier, you were wearing a Jamuni color, but today you have changed your color.
01:52Viewers, obviously, the political situation of Pakistan today has a direct impact on the economy.
02:01So, we thought that this is the last program of the week.
02:04Let's conclude all the political developments that are taking place.
02:08And let's see how much the government has done for the economy.
02:13Let's see how much the government has done for the economy.
02:17Let's see how much the government has done for the economy.
02:19Let's see how much the government has done for the economy.
02:21So, Mr. Mifta, as you know, Awam Pakistan is a new party headed by Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi.
02:27He is the senior leader of his party, Mr. Mifta Ismail.
02:32So, we have invited him to the program.
02:34Mr. Mifta, thank you very much.
02:36Mr. Mifta, the most important question that we should keep in view of the current political situation
02:43is that there is a fierce battle between the government and Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
02:51They are making their own statements.
02:54On the ground, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is trying to convince the government through its meetings and demonstrations.
03:06The government is obviously standing on its strong feet.
03:09The government says that if you want to give a speech without your demands and conditions, then we will definitely do it.
03:18Mr. Mifta, I would like to hear your initial take on the issue of negotiations.
03:24What do you think, how many chances do you think there are for these negotiations?
03:29We can see that the atmosphere is tense right now.
03:32It seems that yes, these negotiations are taking place.
03:40Look, Ayaz Sadiq has said something positive in this.
03:44His office is open for negotiations.
03:47If there are a few negotiations, then it will be beneficial.
03:50At least, it will be easier in the atmosphere.
03:54Some opposition may get some ease.
03:57Some government may get some ease.
04:00There will be fewer demonstrations.
04:03And the longer they keep talking, the better it will be that there will be no fighting.
04:08But I don't know what the results will be.
04:13I think that as long as the government and the opposition don't have any problems,
04:22as long as they don't get very positive results from the PTI.
04:26And the PTI has done such a strategy from the beginning that due to its strategy,
04:30the government and the opposition have been getting closer to each other.
04:35So if the PTI changes its strategy, talks with the PPP, talks with the opposition,
04:42and if it creates a gap between the PMLN and the opposition,
04:49then I think it will be easier for a negotiated settlement.
04:55But at some point, we will have to go to a negotiated settlement.
05:01Otherwise, we will waste the time of the nation and these things will continue to deteriorate.
05:05Okay, Mr. Mirza, maybe Mr. Khakhan Abazi is the leader of your party.
05:09In recent days, he has made a statement about the way the government is running in Pakistan
05:14and the real issue is the fight for the election in February 8.
05:19Let's listen to that and then discuss it further.
05:22The country in which politics will spread, if there is no rule-making, the country will not be able to move forward.
05:30The country in which elections are stolen, if there is no respect for the opinion of the people, the country will not progress.
05:35When the rule of the country will be with those people because the people did not vote, how will the country move forward?
05:40The country in which the situation is such that the people are in so much pain,
05:43the leadership of that country can be seen sitting at a table.
05:47That is the beginning of the solution.
05:49Leave your chairs aside and come.
05:51You can see that we are sitting at a table and talking about the country.
05:53We are talking about the country's reform.
05:56Mirza Bhai, we are talking.
05:58It is obvious that Mr. Khakhan Abbasi has objections to the election.
06:04The PTI is being accused of various allegations.
06:09The solution to the election, the biggest issue is the election results.
06:14The PTI says that we won the whole election.
06:18They took our election through Form 47.
06:20The government is obviously saying that we won the election.
06:24The Election Commission is a legal forum.
06:26You can put your evidence on it.
06:30They are not getting anything from there.
06:32So how should the fight for the election result be?
06:37How should it look to you?
06:41Look, Khawar Bhai, I don't think the government is saying what you have said.
06:46They can say it, but they are not saying it.
06:48When you say to the government that you stole the election,
06:51the government says, what happened in 2018?
06:53The government did not deny it, they stole it.
06:56And look, we, the Minasir people, often lie in Pakistan.
07:01But the truth is that the whole nation knows who won the election.
07:05And the government that is sitting right now,
07:08even the Prime Minister may not have won his seat.
07:11Nor has the Chief Minister of Punjab won his seat.
07:14So this is decided.
07:16Now what is the solution to this?
07:18The solution to this is that somewhere,
07:20look, if we call Pakistan a democracy,
07:23and call ourselves a democratic people,
07:26then we will have another election somewhere in the solution to this.
07:29Whether it happens today, a year later, or a year and a half later,
07:32or maybe one election, or maybe two or three years later.
07:35And in the meantime, they will have to understand
07:38that take the election two or three years later,
07:40but the election that we will give you two years later,
07:42we will give you a free and fair election.
07:44And then we will all accept the decision of the people.
07:47But we will also set some rules of the game in it,
07:50that we will not take any revenge.
07:52Look, the truth is that Imran Khan is talking very democratically today.
07:56But you also know that the three and a half years of his government,
08:00at that time, he also used the power immensely.
08:03He put people like me in jail.
08:05He also knew that these people were not innocent,
08:08but still put them in jail.
08:11He has also tried to impose restrictions on the media.
08:14But today's restrictions on the media,
08:16today's problems of political opposition leaders,
08:19they were never there.
08:21There was never such oppression in Pakistan.
08:24So, I think we will have to find some solution.
08:27Otherwise, look, the truth is, Khawar bhai,
08:30the things we talk about,
08:32that Imran Khan should come to power,
08:34Shahbaz Shahjeer should come,
08:36Benawal Bhutto should come,
08:38for a common Pakistani, it is a matter of bread and butter.
08:41For a common Pakistani, it is a matter of electricity bill.
08:44Now, it does not matter to him that
08:46Shahbaz Sharif becomes third after the second time,
08:49or it is the turn of Maryam baby,
08:51or it is the turn of Hamza bhai,
08:53or it is the turn of Benawal sahib.
08:55He wants someone to heal his pain.
08:57Now, there is inflation here,
08:59there is unemployment here,
09:01there is poverty here,
09:03there is no education here,
09:06So, I think we should find a solution to this.
09:08On one hand, you will have to hold elections,
09:10hold elections after a year or two,
09:12and in the meantime, find a way to go towards it,
09:14towards free and fair elections.
09:16Haider Naqvi sahib,
09:18two important issues have been raised,
09:20obviously, by Mr. Mirza Ismail sahib.
09:22Those issues are on the ground,
09:24you can see them.
09:26What do you think,
09:28in the coming days,
09:30do you think our politicians
09:32will understand that
09:35these are problems,
09:37we have to find a solution to them.
09:39If they don't find a solution,
09:41then the matter will remain as it is.
09:43Do you have any news,
09:45please share it and comment on it.
09:47Look, what Mr. Mirza has said is absolutely correct.
09:49There is no doubt that
09:51to move forward,
09:53you have to adopt a style
09:55in which all stakeholders are on board.
09:57But I would like to say a very sorry thing,
09:59that after January 2022 or February 2022,
10:01I remembered a television talk show
10:03in which Mr. Mufti Ismail sahib was in the show.
10:05And he said the same things
10:07that he is saying today.
10:09And then we came out on the streets
10:11with great enthusiasm and enthusiasm.
10:13That no, Imran Khan has destroyed the country,
10:15now finish this government.
10:17And that government is over.
10:19So I feel that every two or three years,
10:21the history is repeated in Pakistan.
10:23And after that date,
10:25the sequence begins,
10:27and then the same date is repeated.
10:29So we will have to look at this issue
10:31and we will have to end this issue as well.
10:33The things that are repeated in history,
10:35and different things
10:37are sometimes done,
10:39sometimes something is done.
10:41We have to introduce that as well.
10:43Chaudhry Ghulam Saheb sahib,
10:45obviously,
10:47the intensity with which
10:49both sides are sitting face to face,
10:51they will have to talk to each other.
10:53And Mr. Mirza's opinion
10:55is absolutely correct.
10:57The problem of people is not
10:59who is sitting in the Prime Minister's office.
11:01The problem of people is
11:03whether they are getting
11:05their daily bread and butter.
11:07We will talk about the economy
11:09in detail in the second segment.
11:11But my question to you, Mr. Chaudhry,
11:13is that do you see a breakthrough?
11:15Because on a daily basis,
11:17we get the news
11:19that these matters
11:21will move towards good,
11:23things are going well,
11:25but then we see
11:27that it goes back to square one.
11:29Mr. Chaudhry.
11:31No.
11:33You are jumping to conclusions.
11:35Yes, sir.
11:37The situation presented by Mr. Miftad,
11:39apart from his exaggeration
11:41here and there,
11:43he has corrected
11:4590% of the things.
11:47And the truth
11:49and the right things
11:51are done by him.
11:53So there is no doubt
11:55that he came out correct.
11:57Having said this,
11:59if you
12:01believe that the elections
12:03were held on 8th February,
12:05there were also elections on 18th February,
12:07which I have a view on,
12:09but that is another time.
12:11So if they were wrong, then they were wrong.
12:13So this is wrong.
12:15This is still going on.
12:17Let's solve this.
12:19Let's end the debate on Form 45 and 47.
12:21Secondly, you will go further.
12:23Mr. Miftad is right.
12:25All the injustices and atrocities
12:27that took place in the past,
12:29because I have been watching
12:31since the 1970s,
12:33I have also been a victim many times.
12:35So if you do not
12:37run the country
12:39according to the law
12:41and the constitution,
12:43if you do not ensure
12:45freedom of the next generation,
12:47if you do not give people their rights,
12:49he is 100% right
12:51that people should get
12:53two meals a day with protection
12:55and bring the
12:5740% population
12:59below the poverty line
13:01to 4-10%.
13:03These are the issues.
13:05There is no focus on this.
13:07Mr. Miftad and Mr. Khabar,
13:09please answer two questions.
13:11Is the economy
13:13developing enough
13:15to meet people's needs?
13:17Is it developing like GDP?
13:19This is one question.
13:21Secondly,
13:23is there any focus on
13:25the four basic things
13:27for political stability?
13:29I will go to Mr. Miftad,
13:31but first I will comment on Hassan.
13:33Hassan, what Mr. Miftad said
13:35in a nutshell is that
13:37in order to improve
13:39the current affairs,
13:41no doubt the facts
13:43that he has stated in 2018,
13:45the way the government
13:47was running at that time,
13:49is in front of everyone.
13:51The other day,
13:53the finance minister
13:55said that we will return
13:57the elections of 2018
13:59to 2024.
14:01Mr. Deputy Prime Minister said that.
14:03You are misrepresenting.
14:05Hassan, the conclusion is
14:07that we have to go for the
14:09fresh elections if we want
14:11to solve all these issues.
14:13Your thoughts?
14:15I had written three questions.
14:17I was going to ask Mr. Miftad.
14:19Please ask the questions.
14:21The first question is that
14:23he said that no one is thinking
14:25about the public.
14:27Can Hamza Shehbaz be the
14:29Prime Minister again?
14:31Did you mention Bilawal?
14:33Did you mention Maryam Bibi?
14:35If not, why didn't you mention
14:37Mr. Imran Khan?
14:39The second question is that
14:41on corruption and corrupt practice,
14:43Mr. Imran Khan is punished
14:45for corruption and corruption.
14:47This is done by the courts.
14:49Do you think that
14:51negotiations should continue
14:53or not?
14:55The third question is that
14:57you are accused,
14:59Mr. Miftad Ismail,
15:01that when his government
15:03was ending,
15:05in the last year,
15:07Shahid Haqan Abbasi,
15:09who is now the leader of
15:11Pakistan,
15:13opened the mouth of the treasury
15:15and caused the same loss to Pakistan
15:17that Mr. Imran Khan caused
15:19when he increased the
15:21levy to Rs. 50
15:23and reduced it to Rs. 30
15:25and lost the petrol price.
15:27These are the three questions
15:29that I would like to answer
15:31Mr. Miftad Ismail.
15:33If you want to tell the last one,
15:35tell us.
15:37Was Shahid Haqan Abbasi
15:39Yes, Mr. Miftad
15:41Did you hear the question?
15:43Do you want to say anything
15:45against Imran Khan?
15:47Mr. Miftad, I
15:49Sir, I
15:51Sir, I
15:53I think that
15:55Shahid Haqan Abbasi
15:57and Mohammad Khan
15:59Junejo, I can say for sure
16:01that after them,
16:03there is no better Prime Minister in Pakistan.
16:05There can be better people than them.
16:07There can be more pious people than them.
16:09But there was no better
16:11Prime Minister than Shahid Abbasi.
16:13You can see this.
16:15I don't think that Mr. Khan was a very good Prime Minister.
16:17Mr. Khan or other leaders
16:19don't study much.
16:21They are not very educated.
16:23They consider themselves very smart.
16:25They don't listen to anyone else's opinion.
16:27One advantage of Shahid Abbasi
16:29was that he was very humble.
16:31He listened to people's advice,
16:33opinions and criticism.
16:35We don't have this quality.
16:37Mr. Imran Khan and other people
16:39don't have this quality.
16:41They don't listen to people.
16:43Secondly,
16:45you said that
16:47if I open the treasury,
16:49I can see the numbers.
16:51If I open the treasury,
16:53I can see the records.
16:55If someone tells me
16:57that I made a mistake,
16:59I will be responsible.
17:01But I am requesting that
17:03both of my five-month terms
17:05had the same statements
17:07that were outside the government.
17:09I said this time that it is necessary
17:11to increase the price of petrol.
17:13I still think that if you are the Prime Minister
17:15or a minister,
17:17then the country's honor and respect
17:19should be your number one goal.
17:21The country's economic policy
17:23should be your number one goal
17:25and not your politics.
17:27The Muslim League removed me
17:29because they thought
17:31that if I don't do the right thing,
17:33then the politics will be ruined.
17:35So, I was rescued on 9th February.
17:37Otherwise, we all know what happened
17:39on 8th February.
17:41Thirdly, you said that
17:43if Mr. Imran Khan is convicted,
17:45then look at what happened
17:47with Mr. Mian Bashir,
17:49Judge Bashir,
17:51he blamed Nawaz Sharif,
17:53he sent us to jail,
17:55then he blamed Imran Khan.
17:57May Allah ask Judge Bashir
17:59that the lower courts
18:01are not that free,
18:03but there is no doubt
18:05that people think that
18:07and I think that
18:09PTI supporters have also understood
18:11that maybe Bushra Begum
18:13is not that honest
18:15and maybe her friend
18:17Farah Shehzadi
18:19and her husband
18:21Khawar
18:23were not that honest
18:25and neither was Mr. Muzdar.
18:27In fact, the common people
18:29consider Mr. Imran Khan to be honest.
18:31If you want to prove Mr. Imran Khan,
18:33then you will have to prove in
18:35very credible courts that
18:37Mr. Khan has committed a mistake,
18:39he has committed corruption
18:41and you yourself have
18:43destroyed the credibility
18:45of your own courts.
18:47Otherwise, if there was credibility
18:49in the courts,
18:51then there would have been
18:53better judges in Islamabad High Court
18:55but our lower judiciary
18:57is not at that level.
18:59As far as the negotiation is concerned,
19:01you should not negotiate with Imran Khan
19:03that he is in jail or he is out
19:05or he is corrupt or he is honest.
19:07You should negotiate with Imran Khan
19:09that Imran Khan is the most popular
19:11leader of Pakistan at the moment.
19:13Imran Khan's party
19:15has the most seats
19:17even in this condition
19:19and they have a lot of Form 45
19:21which does not have any answer
19:23and you have to negotiate with Imran Khan.
19:25If Mandate was stolen,
19:27it was not of Imran Khan,
19:29it was of the people of Pakistan.
19:31I will not vote for Imran Khan
19:33and I have not voted for him
19:35but if Imran Khan wins
19:37and my Pakistanis,
19:39my countrymen and women,
19:41if these 24 crore Pakistani adults
19:43go and choose Imran Khan,
19:45then I will bow my head
19:47in front of him
19:49and this should be the opinion
19:51of the people of Pakistan.
19:53If Imran Khan is popular,
19:55then you should negotiate with him.
19:57Let's go to the break.
19:59After the break,
20:01Shahid Haqan Abbasi
20:03said something
20:05while addressing
20:07a seminar the other day
20:09that everyone knows
20:11that the former leader
20:13of the Pakistan Muslim League
20:15Nawaz Sharif
20:17knows that
20:19he is being praised a lot.
20:21I am sorry,
20:23it was not a press conference.
20:25It was a speech of Abbasi.
20:27We will listen to his speech
20:29and then we will talk about
20:31the economy.
20:33The government is saying
20:35that they have run the economy
20:37in a very good way
20:39and they have reduced
20:41the inflation.
20:43We can see the statistics
20:45and the stock exchange
20:47and the daily wage of the ordinary people
20:49who work in factories
20:51or the people like us
20:53who have a salary.
20:55Has it affected
20:57their pockets?
20:59As Mr. Ismail has seen
21:01all these things directly,
21:03we will talk to him
21:05about the performance
21:07of the current government.
21:13Welcome back.
21:15Shahid Khakhan Abbasi
21:17is an old politician.
21:19He has been in politics
21:21with the Pakistan Muslim League
21:23for a long time.
21:25He is the most trusted
21:27colleague of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
21:29You may remember that
21:31when there was a vacancy
21:33in the Prime Minister's office,
21:35Mr. Khakhan Abbasi
21:37was made the Prime Minister.
21:39What did he say
21:41about the current scenario?
21:43Mr. Niaz
21:45is the oldest politician in this country.
21:47He knows what politics is.
21:49He knows that
21:51the people who are in jail
21:53become stronger.
21:55The more you oppress them,
21:57the stronger they become.
21:59Mr. Bhutto was hanged.
22:01Even after that,
22:03his party continued to work
22:05on the same issue for 40 years.
22:07What was the position of
22:09Imran Khan in the elections?
22:11Mr. Bhutto,
22:13I am also a Kasar.
22:15There is no doubt
22:17that Nawaz Sharif
22:19is the most experienced
22:21politician in the current situation.
22:23He is well aware
22:25of the problems
22:27of Pakistan
22:29regarding governance.
22:31He was the Finance Minister
22:33from 1980 to 1980.
22:35He was the Chief Minister
22:37of Punjab.
22:39He led his party
22:41with a two-thirds majority.
22:43He ran the government
22:45in 2013.
22:47There is no angle
22:49that we cannot prove
22:51that he is very experienced.
22:53But the facts
22:55that you and
22:57Mr. Khan Abbasi are pointing out,
22:59why is Mr. Nawaz Sharif
23:01ignoring them?
23:03Why is he not aware
23:05that his party
23:07is not gaining popularity
23:09because of his statements?
23:11Why is he not
23:13a part of the power?
23:15My younger brother is the Prime Minister.
23:17My daughter is the Chief Minister
23:19of the largest province in Pakistan.
23:21So, he will continue to make statements.
23:23I have a question regarding this.
23:25Mr. Khawar, I have a question
23:27related to this.
23:29I want to ask you
23:31about the election results
23:33of 8th February.
23:35In any assembly,
23:37there are two powerful positions.
23:39One is the Leader of the House
23:41and the other is the Leader of the Opposition.
23:43Mr. Miftah, what do you say
23:45about the Leader of the Opposition,
23:47Mr. Umar Ayyub,
23:49when he was asked for form 45,
23:51did he accept it?
23:53This case is over
23:55regarding form 47 of PTI.
23:57What do you say about this?
23:59First, Mr. Miftah.
24:01Look,
24:03in 1975,
24:05Indira Gandhi
24:07declared an emergency
24:09in India.
24:11Her son, Sanjeev Gandhi,
24:13wanted this.
24:15He was a bit
24:19bipolar.
24:21But she could not
24:23refuse her younger son.
24:25There was such a bad reaction in India
24:27that in 1977,
24:29she even lost her seat.
24:31Respected Indira Gandhi.
24:35In Bangladesh,
24:37Khalida Zia
24:39or Haseena Wajid
24:41has a son,
24:43Joy Wajid,
24:45who lives in America.
24:47He has more than a billion dollars
24:49in income.
24:51He used to commit corruption openly.
24:53But his mother could not stop him.
24:55So, a person, for the sake of his children
24:57or for the sake of his brothers,
24:59or for the sake of his relatives,
25:01is sometimes forced.
25:03I think it is obvious
25:05and Mian Nawaz Sharif
25:07is a worthy
25:09and capable politician
25:11that no political leader in Pakistan
25:13does not lose his popularity
25:15by being in jail
25:17or opposition.
25:19And if you are
25:21doing raids in Punjab,
25:23beating people,
25:25the government's position
25:27is not getting better.
25:29People are getting angry
25:31in the long term.
25:33And even if the economy
25:35is good in Pakistan,
25:37it is such a poor country
25:39that the condition of ordinary
25:41Pakistanis improves very little.
25:4340% of Pakistanis,
25:4510 crore, 50 lakhs,
25:47are still under poverty.
25:49So, if you do a good job,
25:51you will remove
25:53the poverty.
25:55And if the government
25:57performs well for 2-3 years,
25:59it will not be able to
26:01take much advantage
26:03in politics
26:05until the narrative
26:07from behind is correct.
26:09And we are surprised
26:11that a good politician
26:13like Mian Nawaz Sharif
26:15is letting this happen.
26:17But anyway, this is happening.
26:19And I think the mistake
26:21is being made.
26:23The second thing,
26:25I saw a picture of
26:27my brother Hassan Ayub.
26:29Haider Naqvi has asked a question.
26:31Haider Naqvi has asked a question.
26:33I don't know why Omar Ayub
26:35has done this.
26:37It is possible that Omar Ayub
26:39has also won wrongly,
26:41I don't know.
26:43Haider bhai, you live in Karachi,
26:45I live in Karachi.
26:47PTI did not get a single seat from here.
26:49PTI has won 20 seats here,
26:51some people say 19 seats.
26:53I have never met anyone
26:55in my private conversation
26:57who is a friend of the People's Party,
26:59a friend of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
27:01a friend of MQM,
27:03who has said 18,
27:05everyone agrees with 19,
27:07that they have won 19 seats.
27:09Some people say that
27:11the People's Party won
27:13one seat from Malir.
27:15And MQM did not even come
27:17to this side.
27:19So if we are arguing
27:21that PTI did not win this seat,
27:23then it will be a very long
27:25argument.
27:29Mr. Mufti, he is saying that
27:31it will be easy for me.
27:33Wait a minute, wait a minute.
27:35I will answer his question.
27:37For me,
27:39my friends often
27:41blame the bureaucracy
27:43for everything.
27:45Bureaucracy is the easiest thing.
27:47Bureaucracy is also a big city in Pakistan.
27:49But in front of other cities,
27:51bureaucracy is a little humble.
27:53So it is not easy for me
27:55to say that it is the responsibility
27:57of the election commission
27:59and stop it here.
28:01Hassan wants to ask a question.
28:03Hassan, please ask a question.
28:07The basic question is that
28:09Mr. Ismail said that
28:11if the government improves
28:13then it will improve the economy.
28:15This means that the government
28:17is improving and the economy
28:19is improving.
28:21I agree with Mr. Mufti.
28:23But despite this,
28:25because there is no narrative
28:27of the Muslim League Nawaz,
28:29that is, the Muslim people
28:31are not able to show the light
28:33of the truck,
28:35so perhaps they will not
28:37benefit in the upcoming elections.
28:39So should I take your point
28:41Mr. Mufti?
28:51Look, the economic
28:53situation in Pakistan
28:55was better than last year.
28:57There is no doubt about it.
28:59As far as I know,
29:01in Karachi, the PTI
29:03won at least 19 seats.
29:05In my opinion,
29:07the pressure has reduced
29:09in Karachi,
29:11or the rate at which
29:13inflation was increasing.
29:15Today, the stock market
29:17is up, other things are better.
29:19There is no doubt in my mind
29:21that the economy is better than last year.
29:23But I have no doubt
29:25that this government
29:27has not done a single good thing.
29:29All the economic reforms
29:31that had to be brought,
29:33they have not done a single good thing.
29:35Mr. Shabazz's government
29:37has not done a single good thing.
29:39He said that we will not
29:41devolve some ministries.
29:43He said that we will talk
29:45about the NSC award.
29:47He said that we will not
29:49make a national finance pact.
29:51He said that we will not
29:53do pension reforms.
29:55He said that we will not
29:57put the people of the government
29:59in a surplus pool.
30:01He said that we will not
30:03be able to do PIA.
30:05This has been negated.
30:07Neither electricity nor gas
30:09has been cheaper.
30:11But because of Allah's grace,
30:13the economy of Europe has slowed
30:15and international oil has become
30:17cheaper. The commodity down cycle
30:19has been reduced.
30:21If you look at Imran Khan's government,
30:23the response of Mr. Imran
30:25was that they should have
30:27made things expensive.
30:29They made petrol cheaper,
30:31and now it is cheaper than
30:33and humiliated the government so much in such a short period that the government was in great difficulty.
30:38Neither Imran Khan nor Shahbaz Sharif did a good job.
30:43Just because Shahbaz Sharif is doing a good job, it doesn't mean that Imran Khan is bad.
30:47If Imran Khan is good, it doesn't mean that Shahbaz Sharif is bad.
30:50And I understand this from the bottom of my heart.
30:52Their intentions are clear.
30:54But their competence is very low.
30:57I speak openly that no one has competence.
31:00They don't have the understanding that should be in a prime minister or a minister.
31:04You can see comfort in their policy.
31:06And they don't realize that the country has very few people.
31:10You are just saving a seat.
31:12They have been in power for 30-35 years.
31:14Even if Imran Khan was not in power, he was a big pop star, a superstar.
31:20They have got a lot of facilities in life.
31:22What have they done for the country?
31:24What service have they done for the country?
31:26Shahbaz Sharif is not in power.
31:30You talk about the award of the NFC.
31:34You talk about tax reforms.
31:39You tax the person who earns 50,000 rupees.
31:42But you tax someone who earns 1,000 acres.
31:46You should be ashamed to tax people who earn 50,000 rupees.
31:50I would like your opinion on this.
31:55The government claims that they have increased the inflation rate from 29.2% to 4.9%.
32:05The stock exchange, as Mr. Mifta said, is performing very well.
32:11The poverty line, 40% is 10 crores.
32:20According to the World Bank report, more than 26 lakh people have become poor in one year.
32:30Fawad Hassan Fawad was the Minister of Employment.
32:35He addressed a seminar.
32:37He said that all the work of the PAYE was completed.
32:41The current government has subverted the work of the PAYE.
32:44Eight large groups were removed during the PAYE.
32:47Mr. Mifta said that he spoke to a group who had no experience in transport and communication.
32:52He said that there is no country in the world where the head of the Nijkari committee is the Foreign Minister.
32:56The current Prime Minister of Pakistan believes in a large government.
33:01Mr. Mifta, there are two things.
33:04One is the perception that the inflation rate has decreased from 29.2% to 4.9%.
33:11But when you go to the market, the buying power of any Pakistani,
33:18has decreased in a year, at least as far as I know.
33:23Please explain this jigsaw puzzle to us.
33:28What is the reality?
33:33Mr. Khawar, the number of people has decreased.
33:36The inflation rate has not decreased at all.
33:39The rate at which the inflation rate was increasing has decreased.
33:43For example, if last year the price of lentils was Rs. 160,
33:47then the inflation rate has increased by 25%.
33:51That is, the price of lentils increased by Rs. 40 and it became Rs. 200.
33:54We are saying that this year it will increase by 12% and it will increase from Rs. 200 to Rs. 224.
34:00We are not saying that it will go towards Rs. 160.
34:03It will increase from Rs. 200 to Rs. 224.
34:06But because last year it increased by 24% and this year it is increasing by 12%,
34:11that is, last year it increased by Rs. 40 and this year it is increasing by Rs. 24.
34:14So we are saying that the rate of inflation has decreased.
34:18The rate at which the inflation rate was increasing has decreased.
34:20The second most important thing you have talked about is the buying power.
34:24Look, last year if the inflation rate was 24% and someone's salary was increasing by 10%,
34:29then that 14% became poor on average.
34:32Now you can see, your friends and people who work in your institution,
34:37their salaries did not increase by 24% last year.
34:39So a common Pakistani whose salary had increased by 10%,
34:43and we do not even know this,
34:45so if it had increased by 10%, then it decreased by 14% in the real term.
34:49Now this year it has come, this year they are saying that it will increase by 10%.
34:53Now if someone's salary increases by 10%, then it will remain the same.
34:56If the salary increases by less than 10%, then it will decrease by 10%.
34:59And their things will be out of buying power.
35:01So our buying power has not increased.
35:04That is why poverty is increasing.
35:06Look, because 8-9 lakh children are born in Pakistan,
35:09and because 30-35 lakh people come to Pakistan every year for employment,
35:14at the age of 18,
35:16and because the economy here is not running fast,
35:18it is not running more than 2%-2.5%,
35:20then we cannot create so much employment.
35:23Therefore, competition increases in low-skilled wages,
35:26and wages become depressed.
35:28So it cannot increase with inflation.
35:30So as inflation increases,
35:32whether it is 2%, 10%, or 20%,
35:35our buying power keeps decreasing,
35:38and we are becoming poorer and poorer.
35:40This problem has been there for many years in Pakistan.
35:43Ok viewers, we have to take a short break.
35:45After that, we will talk about the sanctions imposed by the United States
35:49on one of our national organizations in Pakistan.
35:52Tweets are coming from there.
35:54Because Mr. Miftah is in America,
35:57he knows how the American system operates.
36:00So what is the United States trying to do with us?
36:04Obviously, our missile program is our national asset.
36:08All across, all our political parties,
36:11all our political leaders,
36:15they agree that this is for our own security.
36:18This is our national pride.
36:20Especially since our missile program,
36:23since we have achieved this efficiency,
36:28we have been safe and secure.
36:31So why is America so much worried?
36:33Our neighbor America, sorry,
36:35look at the way India has invested in the missile program,
36:39and all the other things,
36:41no one pays attention to them there.
36:43We will talk to Mr. Miftah in detail after the break.
36:48Welcome back.
36:49Okay, Mr. Miftah, you saw that
36:51a new administration is coming to America.
36:55President-elect Trump will take over.
36:58A few of his new cabinet members have made some tweets.
37:01Last night, one of his national security advisers
37:04said that Pakistan's missile technology
37:07is at a level where they can hit us in the U.S. as well.
37:11Obviously, the missile program of Pakistan
37:14and all our strategic abilities of Pakistan…
37:18I am saying the same thing, Mr. Chaudhary.
37:20There is a lot of scrutiny going on.
37:23So during this transition,
37:25there is a lot of scrutiny,
37:27and there are sanctions on the NDC
37:29and a few other private organizations from the U.S.
37:32You have done a Ph.D. from the U.S.
37:34and you know the American system very well.
37:36Now, what does the U.S. want from us?
37:38What should we do?
37:39We are a country.
37:40We don't want to fight anyone.
37:42We want to live in harmony with our neighbors.
37:45Now, what does the U.S. want from us?
38:15How many people have been martyred in the war?
38:1740,000-50,000 people have been martyred.
38:19The generation is killing each other.
38:21The U.S. has not seen any opportunity
38:23to make a small criticism of Israel.
38:26So the U.S. does not have any moral standing
38:28to go into the world and give a speech to someone else.
38:31And this is a funny thing to say
38:34that our intercontinental missile,
38:37the ballistic missile, can reach the U.S.
38:39We are not doing it for the U.S.
38:41They all know that Pakistan's defense strategy
38:44is to defend itself from India.
38:47We have a doctrine that we keep a 1-to-3
38:49or 1-foot-5 ratio from India
38:51so that India does not attack us
38:53and take our territory.
38:55That's all we want to do.
38:57And have we made a bomb?
38:59I mean, we will make a delivery system, right?
39:01Mr. Chaudhary has been silent for a long time.
39:03Mr. Chaudhary, please ask a question.
39:05No, no, I have always seen Mr. Hyatt, Mr. Mifta, Mr. Ismail.
39:10Whatever they want to say, they say.
39:12Whatever you tell them to do,
39:14they do.
39:16One day I got entangled with me
39:18that if you want to listen to me
39:20against Nawaz Sharif, then I don't want to do that.
39:22So that's his policy.
39:24But I need these two stokes.
39:27There is no political stability
39:29and economic activity is not being generated.
39:31So where should people go?
39:33Neither do they have buying power
39:35nor do they have purchasing power.
39:38I am saying that there is no purchasing power in the market.
39:41So what is the solution to this?
39:43Mr. Mifta.
39:47Sir, look, the government of Pakistan,
39:50now I am not talking about any political party,
39:52PTI, Muslim League, Noon, or any party.
39:55Generally, the governance of Pakistan
39:57has been completely destroyed.
39:59If you give a slap to any government,
40:02they will say that if you break it,
40:04they will make a committee.
40:06Summaries will be made, meetings will be held on it,
40:08but no one will break the slap.
40:10We cannot educate our children.
40:12Sir, 78% of our children,
40:14that is, 8 out of 10 of our children,
40:16cannot read two sentences in any language.
40:18We cannot give such air in Lahore
40:21that a person can breathe easily all year round.
40:24We cannot give water in a city like Karachi.
40:27We have one of the highest tax rates in the world.
40:30We have the most expensive electricity
40:32and the most expensive gas in the entire region.
40:34So the governance of this country has failed.
40:36We will have to understand
40:38that we will have to change the entire governance system.
40:41The two or three parties that have been in politics,
40:44have taken Pakistan seriously as a joke.
40:47Do our children also have a right
40:49whether they know how to work or not?
40:51Do they also have to give jobs?
40:53Do our grandchildren also have the right
40:55to give jobs?
40:56I mean, give them a chance to govern.
40:58I mean, seriously, this is fair.
41:00We have officially brought Pakistan
41:02that now we are thinking that my child is my grandson.
41:05He should also get a chance.
41:07I mean, if we have come so far
41:09that we are not taking this country so seriously
41:11and the governance has become so bad
41:13that 40% of the Pakistani population is below the poverty line.
41:168 out of 10 children cannot study in Pakistan.
41:18And I will give you the last number.
41:20There are 11,70,000 children in India
41:23who are of school age but are not in school.
41:25There are 11,70,000 children in India.
41:28There are 2.65 million children in Pakistan
41:31who are of school age but are not in school.
41:33This is a place of shame for us.
41:35We will go further back from Pakistan.
41:37We will go further back from Bangladesh.
41:39So now until we set the governance of this entire country
41:42and this is the opportunity, seriously.
41:44Every challenge is an opportunity.
41:46This is the opportunity that you, Mr. Imran Khan,
41:48judges, Muqtada,
41:50People's Party, PTI,
41:52PMLN, all of them are sitting
41:54and think about the country.
41:56There should be media, there should be businessmen,
41:58there should be scholars that
42:00where are we taking this country?
42:02We are taking it in the wrong direction.
42:04We will have to do something about this country
42:06or else Pakistan will be finished.
42:08We will be finished.
42:10Our governance has failed.
42:12If we pick any number,
42:14even if it is a good number,
42:16it is mostly bad.
42:18We will have to improve the system of this country
42:20or else, God willing,
42:22it will get better.