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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, viewers. Welcome to the program.
00:02I am your host, Khawar Guman, with my panelist, Hassan Youb.
00:07Today, after a few days of absence, he is present in the program.
00:11Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam Singh from Lahore and Mr. Haider Nagvi from Karachi will join us.
00:15Viewers, there is a curse in Chinese. It is a very famous saying that you may live in interesting times.
00:20This is a curse.
00:22But the interesting times we are living in, is this a curse or a blessing for us?
00:28We will talk about this in the program.
00:30Yesterday, we saw how the laws were passed in a dramatic manner.
00:36What impact will it have on the politics of Pakistan and the state of Pakistan in the coming months and years.
00:43Along with this, viewers, today's top story, which is today's development,
00:48is the first meeting of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan.
00:54Viewers, this is the Judicial Commission of Pakistan, which has now become 12 or 13 members.
00:59You saw that the constitution was made as a result of the 26th amendment.
01:06You saw the movements behind the 26th amendment.
01:10First, on the night of 13th and 14th September, an attempt was made, which was unsuccessful.
01:14After that, Maulana Sahib agreed and eventually the 26th amendment was passed.
01:20As a result of the 26th amendment, the Judicial Commission of Pakistan was formed.
01:24Initially, it had 12 members.
01:26Today, the Judicial Commission of Pakistan has also been formed.
01:29The senior most member of the bench, Justice Ameenuddin Khan Sahib,
01:34has now become an ex-officio member of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan.
01:38Therefore, the formation of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan has now taken place.
01:46We have invited Mohsin to our program.
01:48He is our special correspondent.
01:50He will cover the Supreme Court and the Judicial Commission meeting.
01:54Today was a historical day.
01:57Absolutely.
01:58The Judicial Commission meeting and all the decisions that were made.
02:02First of all, tell me, the 7-member commission has now been formed.
02:07What was the process of its nomination?
02:09Who nominated whom?
02:11What was the selection process?
02:13There were three senior judges.
02:16Chief Justice, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah and Justice Muneeb Akhtar.
02:21We could not focus on the names of these three judges because
02:25as you know, the 26th amendment was a direct attack on them.
02:29Therefore, the process started with the suggestion of the Bar Council member,
02:34Justice Ameenuddin Khan, who was the senior most judge after him.
02:39The Judicial Commission of Pakistan nominated them according to the 7-5.
02:45Is it official that the 7-5 has been nominated?
02:47Yes, it is official.
02:48It is not official.
02:49It has been done through Zaray.
02:50But it will not be officially announced in a while.
02:54Zaray has confirmed that from Punjab, Justice Ameenuddin Khan and Ayesha Malik.
03:00Similarly, from Sindh, Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar and Justice Hassan Azhar Rizvi.
03:06Similarly, from Balochistan, Justice Jamal Mandokhil and Justice Naeem Akhtar Afghan.
03:10From KPK, there was only one available judge at the time, Justice Musarrat Hilali.
03:15So, they were nominated.
03:17This is how the 7-member panel was formed.
03:20As the senior judge in this panel…
03:22So, there is only one judge from KPK.
03:25The reason is that…
03:26You have only one available judge at the time.
03:28In the Supreme Court…
03:29There is only one Chief Justice.
03:31There is no one from KPK.
03:34So, Justice Musarrat Hilali was also nominated.
03:367 out of 5 judges were nominated.
03:41Can we find out who were the 7 judges who voted for this panel?
03:46And who were the 5 judges who voted against it?
03:48Let me tell you about the opposition first.
03:50Because it is very easy.
03:51The three senior judges are from the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
03:54The sitting Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
03:56Yes.
03:57I will tell you the basis on which the opposition was formed.
04:00Chief Justice, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
04:04Justice Muneeb Akhtar.
04:05And the two members of the opposition,
04:07Shibli Faraz and Umar Ayub Khan.
04:09These five members of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan
04:13voted against this nomination.
04:16Whereas, all the other members,
04:18including Attorney General, Law Minister,
04:20Justice Aminuddin Khan,
04:22are also a part of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan.
04:25And…
04:26Did they vote for themselves?
04:27Member of the Pakistan Bar Council…
04:28Is it true?
04:29Okay.
04:30It is just a suggestion that
04:31their name came from Punjab
04:32and Ayesha Sahiba's name came.
04:33And as a senior,
04:34they became the head of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan.
04:36And Hukumti Arkaan also voted for it.
04:38Hukumti Arkaan also voted for it.
04:39The member of the Bar Council,
04:40Akhtar Advocate,
04:41also voted for it.
04:42And along with him,
04:43the two members of the Judicial Commission,
04:45Sheikh Aftab and Farooq H. Naik,
04:47who are the government members of the Judicial Commission,
04:51also voted for it.
04:53So, in this way,
04:54the formation of these five Judicial Commissions
04:56was also implemented today.
04:59Hassan, welcome back to the show.
05:01I know that you have a family commitment
05:03and that is why you are out of the country.
05:05You have already told us about these names.
05:07Just as Ameenuddin Khan Sahib
05:09also became the Senior Judge
05:11of the Constitutional Bench.
05:13Now, all these names that have come,
05:15these seven names,
05:17are there any surprises,
05:19any worries in them?
05:21There is no suspense in it,
05:23is there?
05:25No.
05:28There is no suspense in it?
05:30I mean, you must have thought
05:32that this was a suspense
05:34and now this news has come to you.
05:36Because this news,
05:38we have been hearing since yesterday
05:40or 3-4 days ago,
05:42that Ameenuddin Khan Sahib
05:44will become the Senior Judge
05:46of the Constitutional Bench.
05:48No, since yesterday,
05:50I had tweeted 21-10.
05:52I remember that.
05:54I had tweeted 21-10 October
05:56that Ameenuddin Khan Sahib
05:58will become the Senior Judge
06:00of the Constitutional Bench.
06:02And I had also told you before
06:04that when Chief Justice Pakistan
06:06was being appointed,
06:08there will be two different people
06:10at the head of the Constitutional Bench.
06:12Because, basically,
06:14to ensure justice,
06:16that is, to ensure justice
06:18to the masses,
06:20there was no better choice
06:22than Justice Jaya Pridhi
06:24and Justice Muneeb Akhtar.
06:26So, the first two judges,
06:28Justice Mansoori Shah
06:30and Justice Muneeb Akhtar,
06:32their names had already been
06:34brought to the attention
06:36and after that,
06:38Justice Jaya Pridhi
06:40was appointed as Chief Justice.
06:42So now, basically,
06:44those two or three people
06:46were minused.
06:48After that,
06:50Justice Ameenuddin Khan
06:52will get good results.
06:54He will get good results.
06:56Basically, the backlog
06:58of people is that
07:00the aim is not to satisfy anyone's ego.
07:02The aim is not to show anyone
07:04up or down.
07:06The aim is to make people
07:08comfortable and to remove
07:10their difficulties.
07:12Okay, Mr. Ram Singh,
07:14the criticism that is being made
07:16is that it is a good thing
07:18that yesterday the law was passed
07:20excluding Chief Justice.
07:22Now, the 34 judges,
07:24according to the need,
07:26Judicial Commission of Pakistan
07:28will increase their number.
07:30Now, it has become a constitutional
07:32bench. The criticism is that
07:34the real-time pendency
07:36is at the level of lower courts
07:38and high courts. It is also present
07:40in the Supreme Court. But,
07:42the maximum number of lakhs
07:44is pendency in the lower courts.
07:46What will be the effect of this bench on that?
07:48Neither
07:50these judges
07:52nor
07:54the laws and amendments
07:56that are being made,
07:58their aim,
08:00everyone knows their aim.
08:02Leave it in this.
08:04This is not a work to be carried out
08:06nor will the country
08:08benefit from it.
08:10They have laid the
08:12foundation of the worst
08:14just to control their crimes.
08:16Every day, night, day,
08:18in three seconds,
08:20they are making amendments,
08:22passing laws. I fail to understand
08:24what are they up to?
08:26Tomorrow, they will keep crying
08:28that what were we doing?
08:30They have divided the Supreme Court,
08:32they have made a big mess of the courts,
08:34they have given the tradition of looting
08:36and lawlessness
08:38in the country.
08:40And now, in Pakistan,
08:42there is no forum of Daad Rashi
08:44where people can believe.
08:46All this is not
08:48going to help them.
08:50If they think
08:52that their crimes will be hidden,
08:54I am sorry, it is not going to happen.
08:56And nobody
08:58in his right mind
09:00can appreciate and support
09:02this kind of legislation
09:04and working
09:06of this government.
09:08Mr. Nagri, obviously,
09:10the government has its own
09:12explanation.
09:14They are saying that
09:16most of the time of the Supreme Court
09:18of Pakistan, they take
09:20legal matters, so it is necessary
09:22to form a separate court.
09:24Now, a separate bench
09:26has been formed as a result of
09:28the 26th amendment.
09:30So, tell us, how fruitful
09:32are these steps?
09:34Because in the past, there were
09:36such steps, but the problem
09:38remains the same.
09:40Mr. Nagri, you just mentioned
09:42that the real tendency is on the
09:44high court level,
09:46on the lower level,
09:48or on the District Sessions Court.
09:50Mr. Nagri?
09:52See, why does it happen like this?
09:54As you said, the real problem
09:56remains the same.
09:58Now, we have a lot of assumptions.
10:00We assume someone's intention
10:02and start decision-making.
10:04We start debates.
10:06We start such discussions
10:08that try to cause harm.
10:10Now, let's imagine for a moment
10:12that whatever the government
10:14has done, it has done with
10:16a good intention, instead of
10:18thinking that the government
10:20has done it with a bad intention.
10:22Let's imagine this for a moment
10:24and move forward for a few days.
10:26And now let's see what happens
10:28to the pending cases you mentioned,
10:30whether it is in any court.
10:32If a good strong work starts for them,
10:34then we should appreciate it.
10:36We will get to know the intention
10:38of the government after a few days.
10:40Then we will start debating accordingly.
10:42But the best thing is that now that
10:44the I.N.I. Bench has been formed
10:46in the name of reducing the burden
10:48of the court, we have to see
10:50whether the burden of the court
10:52is reducing in the next few days.
10:54And if the burden of the court
10:56has started to decrease,
10:58then we should appreciate it.
11:00And if the burden of the court
11:02is not decreasing and people
11:04are saying that the Supreme Court
11:06needs Sadiq and Ameen, then Ameen
11:08has come.
11:10Absolutely right.
11:12The Supreme Court has a
11:14penance of Rs. 24 lakhs.
11:16We are being asked a few questions.
11:18One is, what will be the legal
11:20case and what will be the
11:22non-legal case that will go to the
11:24I.N.I. Bench? Who will explain that?
11:26Look, the Judges' Committee,
11:28we saw recently that even after
11:30the 26th I.N.I. Bench, the cases
11:32that were heard in the Supreme
11:34Court of Pakistan, whenever
11:36there was a case in which there
11:38was an important legal question
11:40or a question related to the I.N.I.
11:42Bench, the case was sent to the
11:44I.N.I. Bench. Even though the
11:46I.N.I. Bench was not formed yet,
11:48but even from the side of Justice
11:50Mansoor Ali Shah, these remarks
11:52came out during the hearing of
11:54the previous case, that let it
11:56be for us, everything is being
11:58sent to the I.N.I. Bench.
12:00The Supreme Court of Pakistan
12:02decides the cases for the hearing,
12:04forms the benches for the routine
12:06affairs, in that the members of
12:08the I.N.I. Bench are also included
12:10in that, which was legislated
12:12in the previous law.
12:14Now these three members of the
12:16committee, the Chief Justice,
12:18Senior Penal Judge, Justice Mansoor
12:20and Justice Muneeb, instead of
12:22Justice Muneeb, now these three
12:24members of the committee will
12:26decide which case is I.N.I.
12:28and which is not I.N.I.
12:30and which case will go to the
12:32I.N.I. Bench.
12:34So all these cases,
12:36like the case of
12:38Maqsoos Nishistun,
12:40or like the case of
12:4226th I.N.I. Tarmeem,
12:44there are about 8 cases.
12:46I will come to that later.
12:48Now the most important case,
12:50the first one in front of us,
12:52is that of Maqsoos Nishistun.
12:5413 members of the bench sat in
12:56that bench at that time,
12:58because there were so many
13:00judges present. Now this is
13:02the decision of the full court
13:04of 13 members of the bench.
13:06This is the constitution of
13:08the 7th bench. The practice
13:10of the past was that the
13:12bench that makes a decision,
13:14the review petition of that
13:16bench is also heard by that
13:18bench. Now here, the anomaly
13:20that has come in front of us,
13:22how will the solution be?
13:24When a case like this arises,
13:26when there are such objections,
13:28then the Supreme Court,
13:30or the regular bench of the
13:32Supreme Court, or the I.N.I. bench,
13:34they can decide. I have understood
13:36your question, that if 13 people
13:38have heard it, how can 7 members
13:40hear it? These are some questions
13:42whose answers are yet to come.
13:44I will come to you. Hassan,
13:46what is your opinion on this issue?
13:48Of course, the three-member
13:50committee will decide on this,
13:52but the judicial history of Pakistan,
13:54the case law that we have,
13:56is very clear. There are judgments
13:58of the Supreme Court,
14:00so after this I.N.I. or the
14:02constitutional bench is formed,
14:04don't you think it will be null and void?
14:06Hassan?
14:08The doctrine of fast and close
14:10transaction will be invoked.
14:12The story of the past
14:14will already be formed,
14:16but for new things,
14:18new jurisprudence will develop
14:20through the constitutional
14:22benches. The reason for this
14:24was that the case should become
14:26a constitutional court.
14:28It would have been better
14:30if it had become a constitutional
14:32court, but it has become a
14:34constitutional bench.
14:36The number of judges in this
14:38case is also less.
14:40The numerical strength is 7.
14:42But many times it happens that
14:44in the past, there were 15
14:46full-court benches,
14:48but in the Supreme Court,
14:50some judges had 13 full-court
14:52benches.
14:54Such positions have always
14:56come to the Supreme Court.
14:58Sometimes it was 17 full-court,
15:00sometimes it was 13 full-court.
15:02Such situations keep changing.
15:04But according to me,
15:06your question about the
15:08constitutional benches,
15:10where will that case go?
15:12It is written behind you that
15:14not a single constitutional bench
15:16will be found.
15:18We have your opinion.
15:20When the decision is made,
15:22we will tell our viewers
15:24that this is the case.
15:26Mr. Khawar.
15:28Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
15:30Mr. Khawar Goman,
15:32you and Mr. Mohsin Nijaz,
15:34excuse me,
15:36on the lighter side.
15:38Don't you know
15:40what a footer is?
15:42A footer?
15:44This is a footer.
15:46Yes.
15:48A footer that
15:50is in the hands
15:52of the government
15:54and the present
15:56party,
15:58and whoever is against them.
16:00Period.
16:02Ok, Mr. Nagveer,
16:04I'll come to you.
16:06But before that,
16:08we have two more letters
16:10that have come to our attention
16:12This letter is dated 31st October.
16:17In this letter, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah and Justice Muneeb Bakhtar have written
16:23that as per the law, a three member committee was convened
16:30and it was decided that the 26th Ayani Tarmeem Challenge should be heard in full court.
16:37This was the decision of 31st October.
16:44A letter from the previous day was also written by two respected judges.
16:52In this letter, everything has been explained.
16:55The judges are saying that they hope that the decision of 31st October
17:00to hear the 26th Ayani Tarmeem Challenge in full court
17:04should be heard and we hope that it should be heard this week.
17:08Now, I will ask the Ayani matter to Hassan and Mohsin.
17:13You tell me, do you think that the matter of this letter will end after today
17:23or more letters will keep coming to us, Mr. Naqvi?
17:25Look, as you said Ayani, whatever happened today,
17:35if it happened after the legislation, then it means that everything happened Ayani.
17:41Now, putting this aside, let's talk about the second thing that you have asked.
17:45The thing is that when everything is happening Ayani,
17:49let's separate this debate as to how this legislation was done.
17:52Let's come to how to follow the legislation that has been done.
17:56Now, when everything is happening Ayani,
17:59the judges of the Supreme Court, the judges of the High Court,
18:02or all the powerful people sitting in the court,
18:05I am talking about the judges,
18:07let's sit down and have a grand discussion, a grand dialogue.
18:10Let's try to end the groups that have become or have become an impression.
18:16Because they have seen that after the legislation,
18:19they cannot do anything Ayani.
18:21If they continue to fight among themselves,
18:23then the people will end their credibility.
18:25So, instead of having these disputes among themselves,
18:27let's sit down and have a grand dialogue,
18:29so that the people feel that at least things are better in the Supreme Court.
18:36Now, Mohsin, on 31st, the committee,
18:41which was reconstituted on the same day by the current Chief Justice,
18:45Muneeb Sahib came back.
18:47Muneeb Sahib was included in it,
18:48because Justice Mansoor wanted that until he comes,
18:52he had written a letter that I will not sit in it.
18:55He sat in that committee.
18:57Now, the question here is being asked,
18:59you were definitely present in the Supreme Court,
19:01there were lawyers, you must have asked some senior people.
19:03On 31st, this committee had a legal obligation to sit and make a decision.
19:11On 31st, he made this decision.
19:13So, what will be its status?
19:15Did you ask anyone?
19:17Under the section of Practice and Procedure Law,
19:20the majority members could call for a hearing.
19:24And they called for a hearing.
19:27In that hearing, it was decided that the requests related to the 26th amendment
19:33should be put in front of the full court.
19:36And secondly, the requests should be put on the 4th,
19:40which was the court week starting from 4th.
19:43But, you know that the registrar issues a cause list.
19:48And in the cause list issued by the registrar's office,
19:51neither did we see a full court,
19:53nor were there any requests related to the 26th amendment in the Supreme Court.
19:59Neither were these requests put in front of the full court.
20:01Now, he had made a decision,
20:03but now you know that the law that came in the previous day,
20:06which came last night,
20:09this committee has been formed again.
20:10And Justice Muneeb Akhtar is no longer a member of this committee,
20:14who will decide the cases in the Supreme Court.
20:18So, now this matter has changed.
20:20I don't think there is any use of these letters.
20:23We can also say that these were the last letters that you wrote today.
20:28Yes, they were written in front of us.
20:30Tell me, this meeting is on 31st.
20:32On 31st, didn't you hear anything about it?
20:34That these judges have made this decision,
20:37the committee is sitting.
20:38Did you get any such news from the media?
20:40Look, you know that
20:42Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib,
20:45when Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Ishaq was retiring,
20:49he had gone out of the country for a day or two for his first Umrah.
20:54He had also written a letter.
20:56And then, when there was a full court reference,
20:59a farewell reference in honour of the former Chief Justice,
21:02he did not participate in it,
21:04he did not give any reasons,
21:05but a letter came that time,
21:07which he said that the full court reference should be kept on its record.
21:11Yes, he used very harsh words in reference to Qazi Faiz Ishaq.
21:15He used harsh words.
21:17He gave a reference to the era of former Chief Justice Saqib Nisar.
21:20He said that I did not participate in his reference,
21:23why I did not participate,
21:25he also said that the situation is worse than that.
21:27So, he had said such things.
21:29But now, the matter is that whatever these letters were,
21:32or whatever decision he had made,
21:33I personally do not see any reason for all these things.
21:38So, I said that…
21:40No, there is no legal aspect to it.
21:42Now, nothing will happen.
21:44Now, nothing will happen.
21:46Look, the committee meeting has not taken place.
21:48If it has taken place,
21:50then he must have sent the file to his Chief Justice.
21:52It is definitely in the knowledge of the registrar,
21:54because he has also asked to publish the minutes.
21:56The minutes have also been published on his website.
21:58All the details.
22:00So, obviously, the Chief Justice will look at it on the administrative side.
22:01Now, you think that this matter will be over,
22:04that there is still some stock of letters.
22:07Will these letters come in front of us in the future?
22:11No, I did not understand that
22:13when Justice Mansoor Ali Shah came to the ordinance,
22:15he made a recusal.
22:17He said that I did not have to sit in this.
22:19No, no, he wrote in the letter that
22:21if Justice Muneeb is brought back to this committee,
22:24then I will sit.
22:26So, he sat.
22:28He was basically a recusal.
22:29No, no, he sat in the committee.
22:31So, he sat again.
22:33Now, the thing is that
22:35I love Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
22:37Seriously, how much do you love him?
22:39But the way he is writing these letters,
22:41whatever he is doing,
22:43I don't know what happened to him.
22:45That is, in the last 3, 4, 5 months,
22:47I failed to understand
22:49why he is doing such actions.
22:51Seriously, you really don't know
22:53what happened to him?
22:55Yes, but look,
22:57this is the decision of fate.
22:59This is the decision of fate.
23:01Justice Jaya Afridi is the Chief Justice
23:03of the Supreme Court of Pakistan
23:05and he could not become the Chief Justice
23:07of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
23:09The seniority principle was fine.
23:11The seniority principle is over.
23:13It has been revised.
23:15Move on.
23:17Now, according to me,
23:19he should show his big heart.
23:21He should get out of these letters.
23:23And he should change
23:25his left-right machinery.
23:27I have heard that his old searches
23:29have been revoked.
23:31Yes, his old searches
23:33have been revoked.
23:35He went on deportation
23:37for more than 5 years.
23:39Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin,
23:41the Supreme Court says
23:43that a deportationist
23:45cannot spend that much time.
23:47Before going to the break,
23:49Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin,
23:51the crime for the rest
23:53is permissible for him.
23:55Chaudhary Sahib,
23:56there is a meeting on 31st.
23:58On that day itself,
24:00he issues the minutes of the meeting
24:02that we have said.
24:04Yesterday night,
24:06when all this has happened,
24:08the fair has been robbed,
24:10today those letters have come
24:12in front of the media.
24:14On that day itself,
24:16it would have been known
24:18that this is our decision.
24:20Chaudhary Sahib.
24:22He is making his letters
24:24and records for tomorrow
24:26whether you like it
24:28or you don't like it.
24:30You wanted him to go
24:32but he refused.
24:34There is no regimentation.
24:36Even in Lahore High Court,
24:38Alia Sahiba is there.
24:40Shujaat and Najvi
24:42are there.
24:44They are working.
24:46Yes.
24:48Hassan Yusuf also loved
24:50Hassan Yusuf.
24:52Hassan Yusuf,
24:53you thought he should be there.
24:55Anyway, viewers,
24:57on a lighter note,
24:59Chaudhary Ghulam Sahib
25:01has a thought
25:03that he is making
25:05all the records
25:07so that nothing is unnoticed.
25:09Let's go to the break.
25:11After the break,
25:13yesterday,
25:15there was a surprise attack.
25:17A surprise attack
25:19that is not known at all.
25:21When the attack happens,
25:23Chaudhary Sahib,
25:25how fast
25:27and how many laws
25:29were passed last night.
25:31We will talk about it in detail.
25:33After the break,
25:35I am told that
25:37Shahbaz is going fast
25:39but in Punjab,
25:41Marjam is going fast.
25:43Forget Shahbaz.
25:45We will meet you after the break.
25:47Welcome back, viewers.
25:49The bills that were passed
25:51by National Assembly and Senate
25:53are 17 to 33.
25:55Chief Justice will be included
25:57in 34.
25:59The number of judges
26:01of Salamat High Court
26:03is 9 to 12.
26:05As per the practice and procedure
26:07that we were discussing
26:09before the break,
26:11Senior Most Judge
26:13Chief Justice,
26:15Senior Most Judge,
26:17Aminuddin,
26:19and Justice Mansoor
26:21will be a part of the committee.
26:23They will discuss
26:25the case
26:27within the Supreme Court.
26:29They will discuss
26:31the number of cases
26:33to be heard by the bench.
26:35In 2024,
26:37the Pakistan Army Act
26:39has been amended.
26:41The Chiefs
26:43have been employed
26:45for more than 5 years.
26:47These are the laws
26:49that were passed yesterday.
26:51Similarly,
26:53the government
26:55has a clear opinion
26:57that it was important
26:59for the system
27:01to work properly.
27:03In the past,
27:05you saw that
27:07the Pakistan People's Party
27:09held General Qayani
27:11for 3 years,
27:13then 6 years,
27:15then the government
27:17held Chaudhry Ghulam Ghani
27:19for 3 years,
27:21then 3 years.
27:23The Chiefs
27:25have been employed
27:27for 5 years.
27:29How much time
27:31did it take?
27:33The Defence Minister
27:35presented the bills.
27:37The difference
27:39is that
27:41the Chiefs
27:43were given
27:45an extension.
27:47The Naval Chiefs
27:49and Air Chiefs
27:51were not given
27:53an extension.
27:55The Naval Chief
27:57or Army Chief
27:59will be employed
28:01for 5 years.
28:03Khawaja Asif
28:05was asked
28:07if he had
28:09a good speed.
28:11He said
28:13that he had
28:15an extension
28:17in 12 minutes.
28:19Was it a surprise
28:21that the government
28:23had given
28:25an extension?
28:27I think
28:29it was a surprise.
28:31The People's Party
28:33is on board.
28:35Hafiz Hamdullah
28:37was sitting
28:39in a TV program
28:41last night.
28:43He said
28:45that he had
28:47a good speed.
28:49Did you know
28:50that he was
28:52on board?
28:54He was accepted
28:56in 20 minutes.
28:58He was fired
29:00from the Senate
29:02in 10-15 minutes.
29:04What kind of
29:06law is this?
29:08The Leader of the
29:10Opposition,
29:12Gohar Ayub,
29:14complained that
29:16he was not
29:18given an extension.
29:20He said
29:22that the
29:24Pakistani
29:26people
29:28reject
29:30all kinds
29:32of
29:34laws.
29:36The government
29:38was in a hurry
29:40like always.
29:42This is Gohar Khan,
29:44Chairman of
29:46Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
29:47When the Opposition
29:49wanted to speak,
29:51what did the
29:53law minister say?
30:17All those in
30:19favour of it,
30:21say aye.
30:23All those against
30:25it, say no.
30:27Consequently,
30:29motion is
30:31adopted.
30:33The speaker
30:35should be
30:37bipartisan.
30:39He has nothing
30:41to do with
30:43any political
30:45party.
30:47He does not
30:49have to fight
30:51elections next
30:53year.
30:55He will be
30:57bipartisan.
30:59The speed
31:01you saw,
31:03some call it
31:05Shahbaz speed,
31:07some call it
31:09other speed,
31:11these are important
31:13decisions.
31:14We know
31:16these things are under
31:18discussion.
31:20Do you think
31:22the government
31:24was in a hurry?
31:26If you have any
31:28information,
31:30share it with us.
31:32The 26th amendment
31:34was adopted.
31:36The opposition
31:38objected to it.
31:40Some external
31:42forces objected
31:44to the
31:46amendment.
31:48Some
31:50objected to
31:52it.
31:54The National Assembly
31:56passed it.
31:58If anyone objects,
32:00they can go to the
32:02Supreme Court.
32:03If they don't,
32:05they are only
32:07being used to
32:09speak.
32:11They will do
32:12If you had talked for a few days, what harm would it have been?
32:14You say that this legislation was wrong if you are against it.
32:17You did not say anything against it.
32:19You stand up and say when you are talking to the media that we object to this decision.
32:24Particularly, he is not saying anything.
32:26Yes, he is definitely saying that we should have talked for a few more days.
32:28So this thing is also on the record now.
32:30If Mr. Tehrik-e-Ishaq's protest is on the record,
32:32then Chairman Tehrik-e-Ishaq's statement is also on the record
32:35that he did not oppose it.
32:37He said, let's talk for a few more days.
32:39Hassan, you know that this routine is that the bill is presented,
32:44it is laid in front of the House,
32:46and then the relevant committee is sent.
32:48The relevant committee votes on it,
32:50there is a discussion, and of course.
32:52Before this, you will remember,
32:54when Mr. Bhai's extension case happened,
32:57there was a legal glitch in it.
33:00So, first it was discussed in the parliament,
33:03then it went to the court,
33:04and then back to the parliament.
33:05All the political parties talked about it.
33:07So, this is undue haste.
33:11Obviously, the current government has a majority.
33:15And the majority is the government.
33:17Obviously, the government is the one who has the majority.
33:19So, it is its right to legislate.
33:21No one can stop it.
33:22But, Hassan, in such a hurry,
33:25even if they were going to do a good job,
33:27you have put question marks on it for no reason.
33:31Hassan.
33:32Well, I don't think there are any question marks.
33:35This is the job of the opposition,
33:37to oppose all the government's work.
33:39If they don't do this, what will they do?
33:41This is the job of the opposition.
33:43Now, see, it is a negative thing,
33:45that if they are actually against it,
33:47then the doors of the courts are open.
33:49Now, the INA Bench has also been formed.
33:51This matter can be filed in the INA Bench.
33:55This is one thing.
33:56The second thing you were saying,
33:58Shabaz speed or Mariam speed,
34:00that is the speed of progressive work.
34:02But in such an assembly,
34:03I had seen the speed of Kasim Suri
34:05in the era of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
34:07And after that,
34:08I had seen the speed of Arif Naqvi.
34:11He first presented his own resolution,
34:15and by accepting it,
34:17the Speaker gave a ruling
34:19and ended the Tariq-e-Insaf.
34:21Then I saw such speed,
34:23that at the same time,
34:25the Prime Minister sent a summary
34:27to the President of Pakistan.
34:31And the President of Pakistan,
34:33I don't know,
34:3425 minutes or 20 minutes had not passed,
34:36so he had also accepted it.
34:37This was the speed history.
34:38I have not seen anything faster than this.
34:40But anyway, what has happened,
34:42this will be useful in Pakistan.
34:45This will continue the policies.
34:48I will talk about it separately,
34:50what its effects will be on Pakistani politics.
34:52The term given for 5 years,
34:54from the term of 5 years,
34:56the continuation of the policies
34:58in your country,
35:00the continuation of the policies
35:02in Pakistan.
35:03Absolutely right.
35:04We are doing a separate segment on this.
35:06The speed mentioned here,
35:07is not a good comparison.
35:09The speed with which you remember,
35:11Qasim Suri's resolution was passed
35:13and it was implemented,
35:15with the same speed,
35:16everything was reversed.
35:18Then you know,
35:19it happened till midnight.
35:20When these 6 bills were passed yesterday,
35:23at night,
35:24our President of Pakistan,
35:26Mr. Gilani,
35:27at home,
35:28he used to sleep early.
35:29He was awakened.
35:30I don't know, Mr. Chaudhary,
35:31if you know,
35:32he was in a sleeping dress.
35:35I don't know what time it was at night.
35:37He signed it.
35:38So, the speed was quite high.
35:41So, Mr. Chaudhary,
35:42all across the newspapers,
35:45the editorials,
35:46the educated people,
35:48they are saying that
35:49the speed has increased.
35:51Mr. Chaudhary.
35:54No, I don't think so.
35:57Because the unsecure,
35:58insecure people,
35:59this is what they do.
36:01First,
36:02Aqazi Faiz Shah,
36:04if he leaves,
36:05if he is late,
36:07if our amendment is not done,
36:09I don't know what will happen.
36:10Night and day,
36:11night and day.
36:12Now,
36:13there is an election in America.
36:15If we don't get the results,
36:17first, first, first,
36:18secure yourself.
36:19And be secure till the end of the day.
36:21Because the people of Pakistan
36:23have rejected you outright.
36:25And you have to bear the consequences.
36:27Today or tomorrow.
36:28Do what you like.
36:30Viewers, let's go to the break.
36:31After the break,
36:32we will talk about
36:33the appointment of Chief Justice.
36:35It is tenured.
36:36It has been three years.
36:37The position of the farming staff
36:39has been tenured by the government
36:41for five years.
36:42And the government has been told
36:43that this has been done
36:44because such work has come.
36:45The term of parliament
36:47is five years.
36:49But,
36:50what Mr. Chaudhary said,
36:51some people think
36:52that before the American elections,
36:54all this work had to be done.
36:55But,
36:56the American elections are yet to happen.
36:57The results are yet to come.
36:58But,
36:59next year,
37:00the handing over,
37:01the taking over,
37:02will be around January 20th.
37:03So,
37:04there was a lot of time till then.
37:05I don't think
37:06that it is so relevant.
37:07All these decisions that have been made,
37:08what will be the effects of it
37:10on the economic,
37:11political,
37:12judicial system of Pakistan?
37:13I will take advice from my panelists
37:15on this after the break.
37:16I will start with Mr. Naqvi.
37:18Mr. Naqvi,
37:19I have told you
37:20three or four big steps.
37:22I have listed them.
37:23What are the effects of it
37:24on the economic,
37:25political,
37:26judicial,
37:27and parliamentary system of Pakistan?
37:28Mr. Naqvi.
37:30Look,
37:31when the state is moving in a flow,
37:32and everything is moving forward
37:33in a better way,
37:34by better I mean
37:35that where
37:36there is no effort
37:37to give an impression
37:38that now the country is ruined,
37:40now the state is ruined,
37:41now the government
37:42is going to leave next week,
37:43now these sanctions
37:44are going to be imposed,
37:45now this loan
37:46is not going to be paid.
37:47When such an environment
37:48is created,
37:49then the people suffer.
37:50The people benefit
37:51when they feel
37:52that everything
37:53is moving forward
37:54with its own flow
37:55and it is gradually
37:56doing good
37:57deeds for the people.
37:58So now,
37:59I will also request
38:00the opposition
38:01or the people
38:02who try to develop
38:03such an impression
38:04among the people
38:05that everything is negative.
38:06I will also request them
38:07that now,
38:08legally,
38:09legally,
38:10in every way,
38:11you have seen
38:12that everything
38:13has come out
38:14of your control.
38:15I request you
38:16to quietly wait
38:17for the election
38:18and to put your share
38:19in moving Pakistan forward.
38:20Mr. Naqvi,
38:21before moving forward,
38:22your call,
38:23Kamala Harris
38:24or Donald Trump,
38:25take one name,
38:26just guess.
38:27I will take
38:28Kamala Harris's name
38:29if you don't mind.
38:30Okay,
38:31Hassan,
38:32you are in US,
38:33we will also talk
38:34about that.
38:35Obviously,
38:36this is a tenured
38:37position,
38:38there should be
38:39a calming effect
38:40in the system.
38:41So,
38:42in your opinion,
38:43you are right,
38:44your narrator
38:45used to write
38:46peace here
38:47and there
38:48as well.
38:49So,
38:50your thoughts,
38:51there will be
38:52no upheaval,
38:53no problem
38:54in your opinion?
38:55No,
38:56if we want
38:57to create
38:58problems for ourselves,
38:59then obviously
39:00it will not be
39:01anyone's fault.
39:02If we,
39:03political parties,
39:04cannot sit
39:05together
39:06and if we
39:07have not decided
39:08to sit together
39:09and if Pakistan
39:10has not decided
39:11to join the parliament
39:12with the other
39:13political parties
39:14for the welfare
39:15of the people,
39:16then it is
39:17their own decision.
39:18If they
39:19think
39:20that
39:21these elections
39:22are not
39:23right,
39:24then
39:25what are
39:26you doing
39:27in the assembly?
39:28Then come out
39:29of the assembly.
39:30If you want
39:31to stay in the
39:32assembly,
39:33then you
39:34have to
39:35become a
39:36part of
39:37the system.
39:38And
39:39Tariq-e-Ansaab
39:40has already
39:41agitated
39:42a lot
39:43and this
39:44card,
39:45this is
39:46the last
39:47card of
39:48Tariq-e-Ansaab.
39:49He
39:50has already
39:51agitated
39:52a lot
39:53and this
39:54is the
39:55last
39:56card of
39:57Tariq-e-Ansaab.
39:58He
39:59has already
40:00agitated
40:01a lot
40:02and this
40:03is the
40:04last
40:05card of
40:06Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:07He
40:08has already
40:09agitated
40:10a lot
40:11and this
40:12is the
40:13last
40:14card of
40:15Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:16He
40:17has already
40:18agitated
40:19a lot
40:20and this
40:21is the
40:22last
40:23card of
40:24Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:25He
40:26has already
40:27agitated
40:28a lot
40:29and this
40:30is the
40:31last
40:32card of
40:33Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:34He
40:35has already
40:36agitated
40:37a lot
40:38and this
40:39is the
40:40last
40:41card of
40:42Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:43He
40:44has already
40:45agitated
40:46a lot
40:47and this
40:48is the
40:49last
40:50card of
40:51Tariq-e-Ansaab.
40:52He
40:53has already
40:54agitated
40:55a lot
40:56and this
40:57is the
40:58last
40:59card of
41:00Tariq-e-Ansaab.
41:01He
41:02has already
41:03agitated
41:04a lot
41:05and this
41:06is the
41:07last
41:08card of
41:09Tariq-e-Ansaab.
41:10He
41:11has already
41:12agitated
41:13a lot
41:14and this