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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:14The Supreme Court's decision on special sessions is still being heard.
00:19I don't know if it will be implemented or not, but since this decision has been issued,
00:24we have heard a new development on a daily basis.
00:28Earlier, we saw that the Election Commission has concerns, doubts, and complaints
00:35that this decision is not very clear.
00:38There are reports that it has been approved by the Supreme Court,
00:41but so far, no official statement has come forward from the Election Commission
00:46as to what their objections are.
00:48Because when we read that decision, it was very clear.
00:51Today, when we are doing the program, the National Assembly session is going on.
00:55There is an interesting set of amendments in the Constitution and Election Act 2017.
01:02Let's first look at the agenda.
01:06If you look at the agenda for today,
01:08number 5 is Bilal Azarkiani, MNA, and Ms. Zeb Jaffer to move for the leave to introduce bill
01:16further to amend the Election Act 2017.
01:19Number 6 is Noor Alam, MNA, from Peshawar.
01:26He wants amendments in the Constitution.
01:30Amendment Article 51, 59, 106.
01:34He also wants amendments in Article 184 of the Constitution.
01:42He also wants amendments in the Contempt of Court Ordinance.
01:49But the biggest problem that the government is facing right now,
01:53is that the big leaders of the government have expressed more than once
02:01that the Supreme Court's decision,
02:04all the options that the current government has,
02:10will be used to the fullest extent.
02:14Listen to what Mr. Khwaja Asif had to say about this.
02:17We will defend it. We will defend every inch of whatever space has been given to us
02:26by the elections of every day.
02:30Will you resist?
02:32Absolutely.
02:33No matter what happens for it.
02:35No, no, whatever remedies we have, we will exercise them all.
02:41Yes, viewers, you heard this.
02:43Mr. Khwaja Asif said that we will go to the limit.
02:47We will use all the options.
02:50The Supreme Court's decision, the government has a lot of objections to it.
02:58They are also saying that the Constitution has been rewritten.
03:02And we do not accept this at all.
03:05You are hearing these statements on a daily basis.
03:08Now, when the decision came,
03:10following that decision,
03:12the 39 MNAs of the Pakistani Judiciary,
03:17who had been declared by the Supreme Court in their decision,
03:21that we have the evidence of the Election Commission,
03:24according to that,
03:26they had given declarations and affidavits at the time of contesting elections.
03:30Therefore, they should be accepted by the PTI.
03:33They were accepted and a notification was made.
03:35Similarly, in the Punjab Assembly, Assembly, KP,
03:39those people whose affidavits were present,
03:42they were also notified.
03:44But especially the 41 remaining people in the National Assembly,
03:49the objection of the Election Commission is
03:53that how can we accept them?
03:56Because the justice system of Pakistan
03:58does not have a Dhanja,
04:00it does not have a chairman,
04:01it does not have a general secretary.
04:03So, which political party should we join to accept them?
04:06There is also a different response to this,
04:10that a registered political party,
04:13which the 11 judges of the Supreme Court,
04:16who were sitting in the full court bench,
04:18they said that the Supreme Court judgment had been misinterpreted.
04:22The justice system of Pakistan was present at the time of the election.
04:27Therefore, the judgment of 13th January of the Supreme Court
04:30had been misinterpreted
04:32and people were declared unlawfully,
04:36declared independent.
04:38This is the whole matter.
04:39Mr. Shoaib Shaheen is present with us.
04:41He is the Information Secretary.
04:43Mr. Rauf Hassan, as you know,
04:45he is the Pabanda Salasal.
04:46After that, this responsibility is with Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
04:49So let's go to him.
04:51Let's go to him.
04:52Let's find out from him,
04:53where is this matter going now?
04:56Mr. Shoaib, thank you very much.
04:58First of all, tell us,
04:59the decision of the Supreme Court,
05:0215 days ago,
05:04those people who had to be collected,
05:07the affidavits and all,
05:08they will be collected.
05:09After that, they were with the Election Commission for 7 days,
05:12to verify them
05:15and issue a final notification
05:17that so many people have come
05:19and the seats that are made in return for them,
05:21their special seats should be allotted to them.
05:24All the news that is coming in between,
05:26it must have passed through your eyes too.
05:28Since there is still time,
05:30it is probably ending on the evening of 3rd or 4th August.
05:34The deadline is 15 days and after that 7 days.
05:37Until then, we can give benefit of doubt to the Election Commission
05:41because they have not officially said
05:43that we do not accept the Supreme Court's decision.
05:46What information do you have?
05:48And today, the government is bringing a new law.
05:51In that, the information that has come to us so far,
05:54the draft that will come in front,
05:55we will share it with you too.
05:57If a person has given an affidavit to a party,
06:00then he will not be able to change his affidavit with someone else.
06:04Will that application be from the past?
06:06Will it be in the future?
06:07These are things of the future.
06:09What is the status so far
06:11regarding the Supreme Court's decision on Amal Dharamath?
06:14What is your application?
06:16Look, the first thing is that
06:18according to the Supreme Court's decision,
06:21Amal Dharamath had to come.
06:23When we certified and gave the affidavit,
06:257 days started from that date.
06:27Because we had a 15-day time.
06:29Give it to us in 15 days,
06:31give it to us in a week,
06:32give it to us in 4 days.
06:33Since we gave the paper,
06:35after that their 7 days time started
06:37and their time of 7 days is over.
06:39Second thing, tell me
06:41that they are deliberately opposing the Supreme Court's decision.
06:46Look, what they are saying that
06:48at that time there was no secretary,
06:49there was no president,
06:50or there was no chairman,
06:51then this 39 or what they have done to the rest of the people,
06:54from which documents was their declaration?
06:57Or from whose documents was the certificate at that time?
07:00This was also from their documents, right?
07:02And second thing,
07:03the Supreme Court has clearly determined one thing.
07:08Regarding the Provincial Assembly,
07:12they said that if there is any objection,
07:14then you can come.
07:15They did not say that the Election Commission,
07:18after coming into it,
07:20files a review petition in the name of clarification.
07:23Their question is that
07:25it is a review,
07:26or it is against that judgment,
07:28or it is against nullifying that order or judgment.
07:32So, this is a contemptuous act,
07:35and in this,
07:36the illegality of the Election Commission is manifested,
07:38from every act of theirs,
07:39from every action of theirs,
07:40from every action of theirs.
07:42And as far as you have talked about this act,
07:45this is the statement of Khwaja Asif,
07:48this is actually a false accusation.
07:50The first question is that
07:51whether it is Khwaja Asif,
07:52or the rest of the people sitting here,
07:54they are the progenitors of Form 47,
07:56they are the defeated people against Rihanna Dar.
07:59In front of you,
08:00my seat,
08:01all three seats of Islamabad,
08:03that is the whole matter in front of us.
08:05We will talk about it in detail later.
08:07First, we will talk about the Supreme Court issue.
08:10Hassan Ayub wants to ask you a question.
08:12Hassan, ask your question,
08:13we will discuss it later.
08:15My question is very brief.
08:17You tell me,
08:18the free candidates who have been elected,
08:2039 or 41,
08:22are they free from the Sunni Ithaad Council?
08:25That is, are they free from the Sunni Ithaad Council?
08:27Or are they free from the Pakistani Judicial System?
08:30Or on a lighter note,
08:31or are they free on Mother's Day?
08:33No, look,
08:34first of all,
08:35I will not answer your lighter note,
08:37but let me tell you one thing,
08:39first of all,
08:40the Supreme Court,
08:41in its decision,
08:42in the 11 rupee patch,
08:43declared that
08:45the Election Commission of Pakistan
08:47misinterpreted the Supreme Court's judgment.
08:50It is clear from the first day,
08:52it is clear,
08:53and not from one incident,
08:54not from one action,
08:55not from one decision,
08:57it is clear from every action.
08:59Secondly,
09:00did we declare ourselves free?
09:05No, not at all.
09:07They declared us free.
09:10They declared us wrongly free.
09:12The Supreme Court has already said this.
09:14After that decision,
09:16the Election Commission saying this
09:18and raising any objection,
09:20is a clear contempt of court.
09:22Therefore,
09:23we all know,
09:24we have received votes,
09:25in the name of Imran Khan,
09:26in the name of PTA,
09:27you should have challenged that.
09:28If the Election Commission was misinterpreting,
09:30then you,
09:31such a senior lawyer,
09:32your legal team is present,
09:34then you should have challenged that order,
09:36the Election Commission.
09:37You didn't challenge that.
09:38Look,
09:39we challenged,
09:40you remember,
09:41Salman Akram Raja,
09:42and from the first day,
09:44my opinion was that
09:46we are not independent.
09:49We are part of PTI,
09:51and we will win PTI.
09:53Listen,
09:54listen,
09:55The Supreme Court has already decided,
09:57I think,
09:58besides the point,
09:59whether it happened or not,
10:00the Supreme Court has decided.
10:01I would like to make a request.
10:02Just a minute.
10:03I would like to tell you that,
10:05Salman Akram Raja,
10:06filed a petition in Lahore High Court,
10:08he transmitted that petition,
10:10to the ECP,
10:12and the ECP,
10:13on that,
10:144 days before the election,
10:15gave a finding,
10:16that no,
10:17you are independent,
10:18we do not accept the certificate of Agohar,
10:21and you are not part of PTI.
10:24That is why,
10:25you are independent.
10:26He made this decision,
10:27which was accepted by the Supreme Court.
10:29All these things are a part of the record,
10:30we saw it in the live streaming of the Supreme Court.
10:32Haider Naqvi Sahib,
10:33our colleague,
10:34is present in Karachi,
10:35he wants to ask you a question.
10:36Naqvi Sahib,
10:37ask your question.
10:38Okay, listen,
10:39now,
10:40whatever sentence you like,
10:41keep it,
10:42that,
10:43you challenge the arrow,
10:44we challenge the heart,
10:46or the answer to Eid is stone.
10:48Listen,
10:50the Supreme Court,
10:52basically,
10:53the National Assembly,
10:54today,
10:55is bringing any kind of resolution.
10:57Or,
10:58in the National Assembly,
10:59any kind of,
11:00this decision,
11:01is not being accepted,
11:02if anyone is being moved,
11:04then,
11:05it was not started by the Supreme Court.
11:07How was it done?
11:08That,
11:09a party,
11:10whose case has nothing to do with it,
11:11was given all the seats.
11:12That is one thing.
11:13The second thing,
11:14now,
11:15you have given the decision,
11:16then,
11:17you,
11:18this,
11:19whoever the decision is against,
11:20he has the right,
11:21to appeal,
11:22to the Supreme Court.
11:23When he goes for a review,
11:24then,
11:25you say,
11:26no,
11:27after two months,
11:28when the holidays are over,
11:29only after that,
11:30can we listen to the review.
11:31So,
11:32when you do such a thing,
11:33then,
11:34you will have to face
11:35such a reaction.
11:36What do you say,
11:37Sheikh Shaheen,
11:38on this?
11:39Look,
11:40first of all,
11:41let me tell you one thing,
11:42the decision of the Supreme Court,
11:43is a final decision,
11:44until and unless,
11:45reviewed by the judgment,
11:46or by the order of the Supreme Court of Afghanistan.
11:47That's what I said.
11:48That's what I said.
11:49Listen,
11:50this is everyone's right,
11:51to appeal,
11:52to review.
11:53And,
11:54it doesn't happen,
11:55that the review of the Muslim League,
11:56Noon,
11:57and People's Party,
11:58takes place,
11:59the very next day.
12:00From our 14th month,
12:01in the Supreme Court,
12:02regarding the 9th month,
12:03the petition of the Judicial Commission,
12:04is pending,
12:05till today,
12:06there hasn't been a date.
12:07Regarding our 8th election,
12:08in the Supreme Court,
12:09the petition of 184C,
12:10is pending.
12:11Today,
12:12it's been six months,
12:13there hasn't been a presentation.
12:14And,
12:15Imran Khan,
12:16in the leadership
12:17of Qazi Faisal,
12:18the appeal of the bench,
12:19NAB,
12:20personally,
12:21requested this question.
12:22This complaint,
12:23can be made,
12:24by your Supreme Court.
12:25This complaint,
12:26can be made,
12:27by your Supreme Court.
12:28The National Assembly,
12:29will complete its work.
12:30The National Assembly,
12:31will complete its work.
12:32Yes.
12:33The National Assembly,
12:34I'll come to that.
12:35I'm talking about myself.
12:36Look,
12:37the official secret act,
12:38and the army act,
12:39which was amended,
12:40I put a petition for that.
12:41Today,
12:42it's been more than a year,
12:43it hasn't been presented,
12:44even once.
12:45Sir,
12:46this complaint,
12:47can be made,
12:48by the Supreme Court.
12:49Even the 25th of May,
12:50civil case,
12:51was not sent currents Shoaib Shaheen?
12:52Yes sir.
12:53Even the 25th of May,
12:54civil case,
12:55was not sent currents again.
12:56Listen to the whole answer,
12:57and then,
12:58answer the question.
12:59Listen to the answer sir.
13:00Listen to my answer.
13:01Listen to the answer.
13:02If the level of justice,
13:03oneself does not take two,
13:04then,
13:05then it's needed equality,
13:06between them.
13:07Our petition,
13:08wearing the disappearing possible
13:14must go to very next day.
13:17and they should be decided super speed and our petitions should not be considered to be worthy of any one of their petitions.
13:25Now you come to the National Assembly...
13:27Sir, these are the courts...
13:28Mr. Naggi is going in the same direction...
13:29This is a little in this regard...
13:31These are the courts that have...
13:33Mr. Naggi, answer a little...
13:35These are the courts that have...
13:37Mr. Naggi, answer a little...
13:39Mr. Naggi, answer a little...
13:40Listen, don't be angry, let me answer the second question, then you definitely ask the question.
13:45Yes, yes...
13:46The role and mandate of the National Assembly is that it cannot nullify any judgment or the Supreme Court in this way.
13:56The Supreme Court, while interpreting and empowering them under Article 187,
14:03that in the interest of justice and for administration of justice,
14:08if there are any technicalities in their way,
14:11the Supreme Court should take them up and set them aside,
14:14and give people real justice, they can decide.
14:18And according to the law and the law...
14:20Let's go, Mr. Sheikh Shaheen...
14:22The Supreme Court has decided...
14:23Yes, yes...
14:24You can criticize it...
14:26Rewrite it, yes...
14:27Or the judgment...
14:28Now can I say something?
14:30I'm back...
14:31Mr. Naggi, Mr. Chaudhary is also waiting, I'll come back to you, please wait a little.
14:34Let's go...
14:35Yes, yes...
14:36Listen, Mr. Naggi...
14:37No, no, Mr. Chaudhary, please go ahead, you ask the question.
14:39No, no, we still have the program, we'll ask the questions, and then we'll discuss among ourselves.
14:43Yes, Mr. Chaudhary...
14:45Mr. Sheikh Shaheen, first of all, tell me,
14:49what is the special significance of these three circles in Islamabad?
14:54One, they were being listened to there,
14:57they were being removed from there,
14:59they were being taken to a tribunal of retired judges,
15:03what is their status?
15:05Number two,
15:06has it ever happened in any part of the world that the votes have been given to Shoaib Shaheen,
15:11but he...
15:13No, he is not there, he is not there,
15:16he is given to Khawar Ghumman.
15:19Which law is this?
15:21Which law is this?
15:22Which law is this?
15:23In which country does this happen?
15:25What is going on in this country?
15:27Look, Mr. Chaudhary, this is what we are getting beaten and shouting about.
15:31According to the law,
15:32Allah has the highest authority,
15:35and its representatives and those who have to use it,
15:41through the people,
15:43through chosen representatives.
15:45The chosen representatives who are elected,
15:48they have the right to rule.
15:50That is, the right to rule belongs to the people,
15:52and the people will run the whole country through their chosen representatives.
15:55This is the law.
15:56But the law was removed and put aside.
16:00And today I have taken 1,05,000 votes in front of you,
16:04and those who took 50,000 votes were sent there.
16:08And you know, whether you remember or not,
16:10I have written in many of my petitions,
16:14and yesterday our petition ended.
16:17In fact, when it was pending with Chief Justice Ahmed Haipur,
16:20he was surprised that how is this possible
16:23that on 11th, the Election Commission
16:26stated that the consolidation process is suspended,
16:30that is, the counting of votes should be stopped.
16:33In my case.
16:34And the returning officer wrote that
16:36in compliance with the order of the Election Commission,
16:38the process of consolidation is postponed.
16:41And on 11th, the Election Commission issued the notification.
16:44When we went to the High Court for the notification suspension,
16:47it was backdated to 12th, which is the certified copy.
16:50On 12th, Form 48, 49, 47 was issued.
16:54That is, the counting of votes is being done later,
16:57and the notification is before that, and is still in the field.
17:00The Election Commission was in the midst of crimes,
17:03and along with it, the returning officers and this puppet
17:06were doing something together.
17:08Okay, Mr. Shoaib, that is your case in front of an election tribunal.
17:11The decision has been secured on it.
17:13No, I, I, I, just one and a half minutes, sir.
17:16Yes, please.
17:17You said that the Election Tribunal, Justice Shah Rukh Jahangiri
17:20was listening to this case.
17:22When he said to bring Form 45,
17:24he gave three cases.
17:25When he said that he will not bring the last opportunity,
17:27then the notification will be suspended.
17:29If you do not bring the answer,
17:31he ran to the Election Commission,
17:33and the Election Commission transferred it to him,
17:36to a retired judge, a hand-picked judge,
17:40whom we made stay,
17:42and after that, when it was taken up again,
17:44Justice Jahangiri, then Justice Amir Parook,
17:47again stayed on it.
17:49Now the arguments have been completed on it,
17:52and the order has been resumed.
17:54Can I say something for a second?
17:57Yes, Mr. Nagri, please say.
17:58Yes, okay, Mr. Shoaib Jahangiri,
18:00I wanted to ask,
18:01it is very good that you said that
18:02your petition did not go to the Supreme Court,
18:04and justice is being unified.
18:07So, do you express your dissatisfaction with the Supreme Court?
18:11Look, the first thing is that
18:13we expect justice from the judiciary.
18:16Do you express your dissatisfaction?
18:18Listen, sir, listen.
18:19Even if we do not get justice on time,
18:22we will not go to the Supreme Court of India,
18:25or any United Nations,
18:26we will not go to the Supreme Court of India
18:28for international justice.
18:29We will go to the same Supreme Court.
18:30Yes, where our objection used to be,
18:33we have given it to Qazi Faisal Sahib
18:36with solid grounds.
18:38The Supreme Court has to decide that too.
18:41But we will not disobey the Supreme Court.
18:45We expect justice from them,
18:47and we will not go to the Supreme Court.
18:49Yes, Hassan, I will ask you a simple question.
18:51Mr. Shoaib Shaheen, you tell me,
18:52it is obvious that we do not understand the law so much.
18:55But you are a senior lawyer of the Supreme Court.
18:58You have a big name.
19:01Now tell me,
19:02which institution is supreme under the law of Pakistan?
19:08Is the Supreme Court supreme,
19:10or is the Parliament supreme?
19:11Which of the two institutions should we consider supreme?
19:14Or should we consider the Supreme Court supreme?
19:17Or should we consider the Parliament supreme?
19:21Look, everyone has their own domain.
19:23Everyone is empowered in their own domain.
19:28Making laws and regulations is the job of the Parliament.
19:32Okay, you have made your decision.
19:34Then you have solved all my problems.
19:37The interpretation of the law and regulations
19:41is a part of justice.
19:44And rewriting the law and regulations?
19:46You are saying rewriting,
19:48but no one does that.
19:51I think Mr. Hassan Yoob is discussing something very serious.
19:56But I don't know why he starts laughing at his question.
19:59You are asking such a common question.
20:00I am laughing at his answer.
20:01No, no.
20:02I am laughing at his answer.
20:03When the power to rewrite the law and regulations
20:05has not been given to the Supreme Court by Pakistan,
20:07then if you rewrite the law and regulations
20:09in the name of interpretation,
20:11then the Parliament has to react.
20:13Your opinion is more important.
20:15Then will the Parliament react?
20:17Okay, will the Parliament respond?
20:19Mr. Qazi Faisal, who is your favorite chief justice,
20:23if he has also said that...
20:25He says that I don't like him.
20:27He has also rejected his decision.
20:29And the Election Commission has misinterpreted the judgment.
20:32Mr. Hassan Yoob, Mr. Shoaib,
20:35we all have to accept the decision of the Supreme Court.
20:39You have the right to go and revise the law and regulations.
20:41You have the right to go and revise the law and regulations.
20:43Okay, Mr. Shoaib,
20:45the question is that
20:47an amendment has been presented in the Election Act 2017.
20:51The amendment has been presented in the Belgian National Assembly.
20:54It has the same affidavit.
20:56Once declared, cannot be changed.
20:58Now, there is a judgment of the Supreme Court.
21:02Whether Mr. Hassan Yoob, Mr. Naqvi, Mr. Shoaib,
21:05like it or not,
21:07when a judgment comes,
21:09if you want to stop its implementation,
21:12then either take back the review of the judges,
21:15there is no other way.
21:17Now,
21:19it is clear that
21:21in the past,
21:23during the elections,
21:25the Supreme Court went to the Parliament
21:27and said,
21:29we don't have money, we won't do it.
21:31It was the decision of the Supreme Court.
21:33No action was taken on it.
21:35Now, the action that is taking place,
21:37the decision of the Supreme Court on one hand,
21:39and the change in the Election Act on the other hand,
21:41now you feel that
21:43this matter is going in the same direction,
21:45because
21:47it was also the decision of the Supreme Court.
21:49It was deviating from the law.
21:51But the Parliament stood up
21:53and the government said,
21:55we are in front of the Parliament.
21:57We don't accept the decision of the Supreme Court.
21:59But even then,
22:01those who didn't let the elections happen,
22:03you know
22:05who were the powerful people
22:07who didn't let it happen.
22:09And even today, they don't want
22:11the decision of the Supreme Court.
22:13But the difference between yesterday and today is that
22:15today, the Election Commission
22:17has no excuse.
22:19Today, the Election Commission is banned.
22:21That decision has been partially implemented.
22:23And you have seen
22:25that the way
22:27Bukharat was targeted,
22:29in their secretary's information,
22:31within three days,
22:33before that, ABC was calling,
22:35within three days,
22:37they were hurt that the party will also be banned,
22:39but neither was it banned,
22:41nor did Article 6 come,
22:43and they had to face the consequences.
22:45They will also be dirty,
22:47and they will also act on the decision.
22:49And the Election Commission
22:51does not have the courage
22:53to say on the decision of the Supreme Court,
22:55that we do not want to act.
22:57Their malice has already come to light.
22:59And the Supreme Court...
23:01Mr. Shoaib, we have to take a short break.
23:03Stay with us.
23:05We will also share the details
23:07of the ongoing negotiations
23:09with the PTI.
23:25Welcome back.
23:27Azhar Farooq, our Deputy Bureau Chief,
23:29just this morning,
23:31he broke this story.
23:33In the 2017 Election Act,
23:35Azhar Farooq, the bill has been presented.
23:37Now, the committee will be referred.
23:39So, what is the government
23:41trying to do in the details of the bill?
23:43Please share that with the viewers.
23:45Yes, the bill has been presented
23:47to the National Assembly.
23:49Bilal Azhar Qaini is the mover.
23:51He is a member of the government.
23:53And he has presented this bill.
23:55And this bill has been forwarded to the committee.
23:57The committee will work on it.
23:59The basic purpose of this bill is
24:01that any member of the National Assembly
24:03who gives his declaration
24:05to any party,
24:07will be prohibited
24:09from joining any other party
24:11after this law is passed.
24:13He will not be able to give his declaration.
24:15The basic purpose of this bill is
24:17as you know,
24:19the decision of the Supreme Court
24:21has been made.
24:23The Election Commission
24:25has to work on this matter.
24:27They will come to the Speaker
24:29and the Speaker will have a new
24:31decision.
24:33So, when this bill has been presented,
24:35the Minister of Justice
24:37has said that
24:39the Supreme Court has made a decision
24:41and has rewritten the law.
24:43Hence, this bill has been brought
24:45and will be presented to the committee
24:47so that the committee can work on it.
24:49After that, it will be approved by the people.
24:51So, the basic purpose of this bill is
24:53that any member of the National Assembly
24:55who has given his declaration
24:57to any party,
24:59will not be able to give his declaration
25:01and no such declaration
25:03will be accepted by the Speaker
25:05after the law is passed.
25:07Thank you very much, Mr. Farooq.
25:09Mr. Shoaib, we have heard
25:11the new bill that has been presented.
25:13Now, this post facto
25:15will be applied
25:17in the future.
25:19Obviously, the Election Commission
25:21has an alibi in English.
25:23They have got an excuse that
25:25this law has changed.
25:27This is a decision of the full court bench.
25:29It has been clearly stated
25:31that you have to take
25:33such actions in such a time frame.
25:35Now, this amendment.
25:37So, what are you going to see
25:39in the future?
25:41I don't think that
25:43the application of this law
25:45will be retrospective.
25:47The application will be prospective.
25:49Those whose rights have been accrued
25:51will not be affected.
25:53Secondly,
25:55the original mistake
25:57that the Election Commission of Pakistan
25:59did, the Supreme Court
26:01rectified it.
26:03When the PTI people
26:05were declared independent,
26:07it was a global mistake.
26:09In fact, the original mistake
26:11which is pending
26:13since January,
26:15and you know,
26:17it was
26:19to snatch the ballot
26:21from us for the intraparty election.
26:23If it had been done earlier,
26:25we might have lost.
26:27All those issues are in front of the Supreme Court.
26:29Yes, you are right.
26:31The Supreme Court thinks that
26:33these issues will be addressed in front of the Supreme Court.
26:35An important aspect on which
26:37we want to talk to you is
26:39negotiations with the government.
26:41Because when journalists meet the PTI people
26:43in the jail,
26:45they get different hints from there.
26:47Sometimes it is said that
26:49negotiations with the government
26:51cannot be done.
26:53Then it is said that
26:55we will negotiate with the establishment
26:57and the Pakistan army.
26:59The Pakistan army should appoint
27:01an MP and we will negotiate with them.
27:03Then it is said that
27:05there is a negotiation
27:07with the government.
27:09First, let us hear some statements
27:11of Mr. Musaddak Malik
27:13at the press conference.
27:15We say
27:17that let us sit and solve
27:19the issues.
27:21Let us talk.
27:23Let us not destroy.
27:25Let us solve.
27:27Let us not get entangled.
27:29We were telling you earlier
27:31to come.
27:33Why didn't you come?
27:35The People's Party said
27:37let us support you.
27:39Why didn't you support the government?
27:41Because solving the issues
27:43was not your aim.
27:45It was to create chaos.
27:47We met Mr. Musaddak Malik
27:49in the jail.
27:51What conditions
27:53will we negotiate?
27:55The leader of the nation
27:57has not spoken about
27:59the release of the prisoners.
28:01Imran Khan has not uttered
28:03the word Imran Khan.
28:05He has spoken about his workers.
28:07He has spoken about his women prisoners.
28:09He has said that
28:11our mandate should be given back.
28:13Therefore, Mr. Musaddak Malik,
28:15Mr. Khurram Dastagir
28:17have also spoken about the negotiations.
28:19I want to ask them
28:21if the government is serious
28:23in the negotiations,
28:25then how do you
28:27agree with Article 6
28:29of the constitution?
28:31Either you negotiate
28:33or you attack justice.
28:35But if we have positive negotiations,
28:37result-oriented, meaningful,
28:39in which the prisoners are released
28:41and the return of the mandate,
28:43then we will find a solution
28:45to the problems of the country.
28:47Mr. Shoaib, are the negotiations
28:49going on or not?
28:51Only the feelers are being thrown
28:53from both sides.
28:55The people of Pakistan
28:57are hoping that there is
28:59political stability in Pakistan.
29:01Our politicians should sit together
29:03to solve the matter
29:05at the level of the parliament
29:07and at the level of the parties.
29:09Are you legitimate in the fight
29:11for the freedom of the people?
29:13Mr. Shoaib.
29:15The first thing is that
29:17when they first offered us
29:19negotiations,
29:21we empowered Imran Khan
29:23and Achak Zahid
29:25to give us
29:27any proposal.
29:29After that, the second time
29:31they said that we have to do
29:33APC.
29:35Imran Khan said first
29:37that we will shift.
29:39This was the situation
29:41when the Supreme Court
29:43was decided.
29:45Who empowered Imran Khan
29:47or who told him
29:49to go to the press conference
29:51and ruin the atmosphere
29:53and put a ban on PTI?
29:55We have also had a meeting
29:57with our allies and
29:59Article 6 will also be applied
30:01with it today.
30:03Now this whole situation
30:05shows that they are also
30:07not serious at all.
30:09Negotiations are an excuse.
30:11Because if the negotiations
30:13are really serious,
30:15then we will have to return
30:17our mandate of Form 45
30:19which has been stolen.
30:21Therefore, they make
30:23this joke of negotiations,
30:25but they are not actually serious.
30:27And even today, if they are serious,
30:29then talk to Achak Zahid
30:31about it.
30:33We have empowered
30:35PTI, we have empowered PTI,
30:37but no such thing
30:39from any side,
30:41I am just joking.
30:43Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
30:45please ask a question.
30:47Mr. Shaheen,
30:49what do you think?
30:51What is your option?
30:53If you convert Form 45
30:55to 47 in the National Assembly
30:57and your majority
30:59or majority-like situation is formed,
31:01will the government be formed in the National Assembly?
31:03Or do you think
31:05that in this Assembly,
31:07the water has become so dirty
31:09that there is no other way
31:11than the new election,
31:13free fair, impartial election
31:15and new arrangements?
31:17What are your priorities now?
31:19Our first priority is
31:21that our stolen and
31:23embezzled mandate should be returned to us.
31:25And as far as the second election is concerned,
31:27when there is an impartial
31:29type of election commission,
31:31when there is an impartial
31:33type of interim setup,
31:35then we can talk about the election.
31:37But the question is that
31:39at this stage,
31:41our first preference is
31:43the return of our mandate.
31:45When our mandate is returned,
31:47we have a two-thirds majority.
31:49But without political stability,
31:51economic stability will not come.
31:53The government of public support
31:55can bring the same reforms,
31:57can bring the same investment.
31:59You can kidnap anyone you want,
32:01you can kidnap people,
32:03you can kidnap people,
32:05you can kidnap people,
32:07you can kidnap people,
32:09you can kidnap people,
32:11you can kidnap people,
32:13you can kidnap people,
32:15you can kidnap people,
32:17you can kidnap people,
32:19you can kidnap people,
32:21you can kidnap people,
32:23you can kidnap people,
32:25you can kidnap people,
32:27Absolutely right.
32:29Now I want to ask a question to Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
32:31You have been the ruler of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa for 11 years.
32:33How much stability is there?
32:35Or is there no public support with you there as well?
32:37Tell us.
32:39Look, the first thing is that
32:41the policy makers
32:43of the economy,
32:45of security,
32:47of integrity,
32:49of investment,
32:51they are the federal government.
32:53Otherwise we talk about stability,
32:56we focus on people,
32:58We come back being people,
33:00but this situation you brought it up from the sky.
33:02I mentioned that there is no stability.
33:04Mr. Naggi Sir, please.
33:06Mr. Naggi Sir, please.
33:08Mr. Shaib, wait a minute.
33:10I am asking a very logical question,
33:12I am not asking an issue.
33:14You took this on economic policy,
33:16I am speaking of a low value,
33:18I am talking of street level residents.
33:20If you would have listened to me,
33:22maybe I could have sent you a actual answer.
33:24Hey, continue.
33:26Mr. Naqvi, you can write, I am four, I am five.
33:29I will answer each and every question.
33:32You can complete the answer.
33:35Today, you need political stability.
33:38You need economic stability.
33:40For that, you need public support.
33:42And for that, the federal government is the final authority
33:46to make a policy, bring in foreign investment
33:50and improve the country's economy and move forward.
33:53Now, you can come to the provincial level.
33:55Can you give me an answer to this question?
33:58You talked about economic stability.
34:01You said that the federal government should make a policy.
34:03You gave a budget before the federal government.
34:05How will you make a policy?
34:07First of all, taking a budget before the federal government
34:10is not a criminal offence.
34:12How will you make a policy?
34:14We have a right.
34:15The federal government is stuck with Rs. 1.6 billion.
34:19They are not giving us a cut.
34:20How will you make a policy?
34:21The federal government has a right to public support.
34:27If you want to ask a question, you can do so.
34:30We have a policy with the PTI.
34:35They are standing with us.
34:37Alhamdulillah.
34:38I have a question.
34:40I will ask you an innocent question.
34:42Can you see how many people are standing?
34:44You can comment.
34:48Let me answer the question first.
34:51I have an innocent question for you.
34:54We have heard that the judges of the Supreme Court
35:01have to make decisions according to the law.
35:04The Supreme Court has said that they will make decisions according to the law.
35:09If a new law is passed,
35:15will the Supreme Court make a decision according to the law?
35:24There are two aspects to this.
35:27First, the law is prospective in nature.
35:34The Supreme Court has already made a decision
35:39and it has to be followed.
35:42Second, the Supreme Court or any high court
35:46can make a decision according to the law.
35:50If a new law is passed,
35:54if it is unconstitutional,
35:57it can be declared a set-aside.
36:00Third, the judgment of the Supreme Court cannot be nullified
36:06by the Supreme Court.
36:09The Supreme Court cannot nullify the judgment of the Supreme Court.
36:14These are the three aspects.
36:17We will see when the act is passed.
36:20Do you think that in the coming days,
36:23there will be a complicated situation
36:25and the case will go back to the Supreme Court
36:27and there will be an argument.
36:29And the case will be paused like this.
36:32Do you think that you will get special sessions?
36:36No, I think that we will get special sessions.
36:41And if an act is passed,
36:43we will see if it is sustainable or not.
36:53Thank you very much, Mr. Shaheen.
36:56Let's go to the break.
36:58After the break, we will talk about the IBPs.
37:05There is a report of Fitch.
37:07He has improved the rating of Pakistan.
37:10But along with that,
37:12he has commented on the current political situation of Pakistan.
37:16We will talk about the political weakness of Pakistan.
37:19We will talk in detail after the break.
37:25Welcome back, viewers.
37:27You have seen that the protest is continuing in Rawalpindi.
37:31There is only one demand,
37:33that is the IPPs.
37:35What is the latest statement from the Amir of Jamaat-e-Islami?
37:40When our ministers announce that we cannot talk to the IPPs,
37:45I want to ask that these IPPs
37:48were started by the government of the British party.
37:51And even now,
37:53one list has 124 IPPs and sometimes 100 IPPs.
37:57The facts are not brought to the people.
38:00The agreements are not brought to the people.
38:02They say that they cannot bring the agreements to the people.
38:05The whole nation suffers the punishment of their inhumanity.
38:08Then they say that we cannot do anything.
38:10They can do everything.
38:12Viewers,
38:14a while ago,
38:16it was said in the last segment
38:18that we need political stability in Pakistan.
38:20You cannot bring political stability to the whole country
38:24by creating it in a single pocket.
38:27Until there is political stability in the whole country,
38:30and especially on the federal level,
38:32of course, the trickle-down is done.
38:34The report of Fitch has come.
38:36Basically, the agreement with the IMF
38:38has been done in the initial phase.
38:40It will be put in front of the executive board.
38:42After that, Fitch said that Pakistan's standing has improved.
38:47It has become CCC+.
38:49But along with this,
38:51the international institutions that monitor,
38:54they also do their commentary
38:56that what is the most basic problem of Pakistan.
38:58They tell you in English, in Urdu.
39:01You must have seen the late night stories.
39:04In the elections in February,
39:06they called the mandate of Muslim League Noon weak.
39:09The Pakistan Muslim League Noon got a vote.
39:11They said that the current government is standing on weak feet.
39:14The current government,
39:16The results of the elections showed that the mandate was weaker than expected.
39:21In favor of PTI, after the Supreme Court's decision,
39:24the position of the Noon League and their allies has weakened.
39:28Bani PTI has been in jail since May 2023.
39:31But it is still accepted by the public.
39:33This is the report of Fitch.
39:35After that, they are also saying that
39:37Pakistan has to return the foreign loan of 22 billion dollars.
39:44Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
39:46Believe me, you often listen to me.
39:49You always ask questions.
39:51Whenever our guest comes,
39:53I give you time.
39:55On one hand, the matter of IPB.
39:57And on the other hand,
39:59the report of Fitch.
40:01In addition to this, our neighboring countries,
40:03our friends, China,
40:05America, everywhere.
40:07This is what they talk about.
40:09They talk about creating political stability in the country.
40:12Apart from this, you do not have stability.
40:15You will have to go this way.
40:17Mr. Chaudhary.
40:19No, the Islamic Jamaat has seen
40:22that the public and the political
40:24are quite leap forward.
40:28They have given a political proof of maturity.
40:33They have gathered their people.
40:35They have competed there.
40:37And if there were going to be arrests,
40:40they have also been dodged.
40:42And Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman
40:44took his party and sat there.
40:47And their public demands
40:50are the heartbeat and voice of every heart.
40:53So they should and will have to agree.
40:56And in my opinion, the Islamic Jamaat
40:59has increased its political capital.
41:04And now they are sitting there.
41:06If the government does anything wrong,
41:10then it will have to suffer a lot.
41:14It is better to talk to them
41:18and act on them.
41:22And send people to their homes.
41:25Because the first situation in Pakistan
41:27which has happened in Gwadar,
41:29which is happening in KP,
41:30which is happening in Balochistan,
41:31which is a law and order situation
41:33in different parts of the country.
41:35It is a very serious situation.
41:37That's all for today.
41:39We will meet you again tomorrow.
41:41But before leaving, remember one thing.
41:43We discuss all this.
41:45We say that the country of Pakistan
41:47is in the best political situation.
41:49No matter how it comes.
41:51You have to adopt any strategy.
41:53You have to call the APC through the parliament.
41:55Opposition government parties.
41:57It is very important.
41:58Because the people of Pakistan
42:00are in dire need at the moment.
42:02We will meet you again tomorrow.
42:04Thank you.