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Why is Punjab govt not appointing judges approved by Lahore High Court?

Faisal Vawda Ke Press Conference per Az Khud Notice Case Ke Samat,

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00:51 Basically, contempt of court.
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01:51 Not just that.
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04:33 Who will have to face the music, Chaudhary sahib?
04:50 Those who are indulging into contempt of court.
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05:21 Contempt of court.
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05:23 What music are they going to face?
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05:33 They're going to face the music.
05:34 What music?
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05:37 Chief Justice, Istanbul High Court,
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06:44 What does that mean?
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06:50 Attorney General.
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07:15 Completely 180 degree--
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07:37 180 degree different point of view.
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07:47 These are completely opposite point of view.
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07:59 Am I right, Chaudhary sir?
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14:15 Everyone has their own views. If someone criticizes someone, they have a right to give an opinion.
14:20 But, here we have to talk about the law.
14:22 George sir, the law that I was talking about is very clear.
14:26 But, the moral authority thing, or the argument becomes very vague. What should we do about that?
14:32 George sir?
14:39 There is no moral authority. There are laws according to the law.
14:45 Either they are being violated or not.
14:50 If they are being violated, sooner or later, the law will take its own course.
14:55 Number two, there is a high moral ground.
14:58 There is a high moral authority, whose hands are clean.
15:02 You tweet about a certain person every day.
15:07 He is corrupt, he is a certified fraud.
15:11 What is your job? You should mind your own business.
15:14 You don't even get tired of supporting people.
15:18 What charges are there against them? You never discuss that.
15:22 He is a convict.
15:23 That's why I want to...
15:24 I am talking about conviction.
15:26 The court has given him a right to be punished and a criminal.
15:29 The court has given him a right to be punished. I haven't given him a right to be punished.
15:32 The courts have given him a right. I am talking about the respect of the courts.
15:34 You don't want the program to go ahead.
15:38 You don't...
15:40 Mr. Chaudhary, let's move the program forward.
15:42 Let's go to Haider.
15:44 I wanted to say something.
15:46 I wanted to say something.
15:47 Let's not talk about moral authority.
15:49 Let's not talk about the law.
15:51 Let's not talk about a certain community.
15:53 Let's not talk about a certain person.
15:55 Let's talk about a small thing.
15:56 The whole of Pakistan is listening right now.
15:58 Let's talk about a small thing.
16:00 Should all people have equal rights?
16:04 Should all people have equal rights?
16:06 Should all citizens of Pakistan have equal rights?
16:09 If they should, then those rights should be given to all people.
16:15 Just like judges have rights, so do the people.
16:18 Yesterday, a person was brought to the court.
16:21 So, how many prisoners have requested today that they have equal rights as citizens of Pakistan?
16:27 So, giving them equal rights is their responsibility.
16:34 If they keep taking rights for themselves and the people don't get anything, then this is not justice.
16:42 But Haider, one right is what the poor get and one right is what the rich get.
16:49 You know, not one, but two Pakistans, not two, but one Pakistan.
16:53 There is that situation.
16:55 That is the ground reality and we cannot deny that.
16:58 The thing is that whoever doesn't get the right, no matter how rich he is, he says he is poor.
17:03 The thing is that it is very important for our court to see that Pakistan's...
17:10 This is the responsibility of the court.
17:12 You are talking about the constitution, right?
17:14 We just talked about the constitution.
17:16 You are talking about the constitution.
17:18 It is written in the constitution that it is the responsibility of the court that every citizen of Pakistan has equal rights.
17:21 Under the constitution, no matter what the case may be.
17:24 So, we can say that the rich and poor are right.
17:28 We have to see that our different circles, whether they are in Aglia or somewhere else,
17:33 that these poor people who are in so many, if one day they come out on the streets and their houses reach your house,
17:41 then where will you go?
17:42 So, it is better that you do justice before this time comes.
17:45 Let's go.
17:46 Okay, let's go.
17:47 Look, a small...
17:48 Quickly, I have to go to the break.
17:50 Look, Islam is called Musawwat and our country's name is Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
17:55 The mirror of Pakistan is made on Islamic teachings and the Holy Quran.
18:00 And the Holy Quran also says that equality is important.
18:03 So, the point is that the principle should be one.
18:05 If a prisoner has all the special facilities,
18:09 you tell me, which one prisoner of Pakistan has got a treadmill,
18:14 has got a dumbbell, has got this facility, has got a local chicken,
18:18 basically, and has got mutton,
18:20 then these things are not available, right?
18:22 He can talk to his children overseas.
18:25 If these facilities are not available, then all those prisoners,
18:28 they also expressed their concern that they should also be provided with those facilities.
18:32 So, will the government or this court provide these facilities to all those prisoners?
18:37 Mr. Chaudhary, I have to go to the break, but I cannot go without your answer.
18:42 You would like to respond to this discussion that everyone should get equal rights,
18:47 one should get full VIP treatment and not everyone else.
18:51 Does this comparison make sense to you?
18:54 What sense does it make?
18:57 The leaders of this country should also be gathered there.
19:02 They have been eating the keema naan in the services of the government.
19:05 Whose words are they talking about?
19:07 Sir, we don't have any leader.
19:09 I said leave him and move ahead.
19:11 They have said, Mr. Chaudhary, that they don't have any leader.
19:16 We are all journalists sitting here, we don't have any leader.
19:19 You are our leader, sir.
19:21 Yes, Hassan.
19:22 The day I meet Mr. Chaudhary in person, I will say, sir, good to see you.
19:27 I am listening to the issue of prisoners, because I am in this program today.
19:33 I heard that someone has a prisoner, Hassan?
19:35 Mr. Khawer Ghoman says that he has a prisoner, he says his name.
19:39 Mr. Chaudhary also says that he does not have a prisoner.
19:41 Mr. Nawaz Sharif says that he has a prisoner.
19:44 He adds my name, I say that I don't have a prisoner.
19:47 So my prisoners are our leaders.
19:50 Our leaders are Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain.
19:52 Whenever he sits in our transition, he has the power to veto.
19:56 Mr. Chaudhary, you have also withdrawn this matter.
19:59 Mr. Kashi Babashi also gives up.
20:01 You have been made a leader by consensus.
20:03 So with this consensus, sometimes there is consensus on this program.
20:07 I resign as a leader.
20:09 You declined as a leader?
20:11 I have...
20:12 Resigned?
20:13 You have not even given you the permission, you have resigned earlier.
20:17 I don't want to.
20:20 He is taking it.
20:21 Okay, fine.
20:22 Whether you agree or not, you are our leader.
20:25 No, brother, it is your grace.
20:27 May God keep you happy.
20:29 Okay, Mr. Chaudhary, we are talking about the judges, so we have to talk about the judges' decision.
20:32 I have to go to the break.
20:33 We will come back after the break and we will continue the program.
20:35 Welcome back after the break.
20:41 We are talking about the judges.
20:43 We are talking about the contempt of court.
20:46 If there is a court, there will be judges.
20:49 Then there will be contempt of court.
20:51 I am talking about the judges' decision.
20:53 Generally, it is said that the story is short.
20:55 This story is not short, this story is long.
20:57 Because judges have been waiting for a long time that the judges' decision will be made.
21:01 But this is not happening in Punjab.
21:03 Now let me put it in front of you, what is the situation?
21:05 The hearing on 16th.
21:07 The court is a special court in which there is a court of contempt of court.
21:14 It is a very important court, especially at this time.
21:17 Where there is a wave of new terrorism in Pakistan.
21:20 Where things are happening fast.
21:22 What is happening there?
21:23 From tomorrow's hearing, you will realize what the court is feeling.
21:28 A difference of opinion on the way.
21:33 Or call it a tug of war.
21:35 That is going on at this time.
21:37 Chief Justice Lahore High Court, Justice Malik Shahzad Ahmed Khan, heard yesterday.
21:41 Advocate General, you should not be a party.
21:44 Why are you afraid to talk openly in court?
21:47 Chief Justice's AG Punjab, Khalid Ishaq, has a court record.
21:53 You assured that judges' decisions will be made soon.
21:57 Chief Justice said this.
21:59 And despite writing dozens of letters, there are no decisions.
22:03 Your style of action is clearly a court of contempt.
22:07 Here too, the court of contempt has come.
22:09 Chief Justice Malik Shahzad Ahmed Khan's advocate general, Punjab.
22:12 Expressing anger, anger, anger.
22:15 The law officers present in the court have a big responsibility.
22:20 Basically, Chief Justice Shahzad Malik said.
22:23 You changed the statement again and again.
22:26 First assured that judges will be appointed.
22:29 Now you are saying that the judges are for consultation.
22:32 People have been in jail since 2015.
22:35 And judges are not being appointed.
22:37 Chief Justice said this to AG.
22:39 Registered Lahore High Court,
22:41 Registered Lahore High Court sent a request again and again.
22:44 But it was not appointed.
22:46 Is this not a cause of delay in justice?
22:50 If the system has to run like this, then amend it once and finish everything.
22:56 Chief Justice Lahore High Court said this.
22:59 And Justice Malik Shahzad's AG, Punjab, Khalid Ishaq.
23:03 The conversation that has been going on,
23:05 Lahore High Court has requested the committee to appoint judges.
23:11 And on further delay, the Prime Minister had to be called.
23:16 So he will be called.
23:18 Then what happened today?
23:19 Listen to today's story.
23:20 This was yesterday's story.
23:21 Today's story is in front of you.
23:22 Chief Justice Lahore High Court has concluded.
23:24 Everything is written clearly in the law.
23:27 There is no confusion.
23:28 I have given you names.
23:30 Appoint them.
23:31 Chief Justice said this to the Minister of Justice.
23:34 Minister of Justice, you have come from outside.
23:37 Tell me, what will happen other than what is written in the law and constitution?
23:42 This is the discussion that is taking place.
23:44 And what is there other than this?
23:46 Basically, if in the past it was wrong, then it should be corrected.
23:51 Chief Justice said this too.
23:52 You will also benefit from being a good judge.
23:54 Set new examples instead of going on the old way.
23:58 The cases that have passed 14 years, are coming while watching the same spectacle.
24:03 You are not ours, but have mercy on yourself and everyone.
24:07 Chief Justice said this.
24:09 It is decided that you will not cooperate with the court.
24:12 If this attitude remains, then the court will give its decision.
24:15 Chief Justice said this to the Minister of Justice.
24:18 The court is being forced to be strict for no reason.
24:21 It will also have to be written in the decision that the government is not fulfilling its legal responsibility.
24:26 Judges will not be able to make decisions without permission.
24:29 And the accused are locked up in the jails.
24:31 At this time, this remark came.
24:33 The court gave a chance to the judges to decide on the request of the Punjab Law Committee.
24:39 Now, not to talk in a verbal way, but to take practical steps.
24:43 The court has approved the case on 20th May.
24:50 Now, there is another issue here.
24:53 The issue of judges' decision-making is being raised.
24:56 We have with us Abid Khan, a representative of ARY News.
25:00 Abid Khan, tell us why the government is not taking a decision at this time?
25:08 What is the reason for the fight and the dispute?
25:12 Why do you want to hold a meeting in secret?
25:15 Why are you not talking in front of the court?
25:17 Basically, the issue is that there is a lack of judges from 2nd to 9th of January.
25:25 In terrorism courts, as you said, the issue is terrorism in Pakistan.
25:31 And for the justice of the terrorist incidents in Pakistan, the courts should be fully active.
25:39 But here too, there is a lack of judges.
25:42 Now, the court has sent a request to the government to name the judges.
25:47 The government has asked for the names of the judges.
25:52 But after that, the court has not decided.
25:55 Now, it seems that the government is scared.
25:58 Maybe they want to appoint judges as soon as possible.
26:02 In this regard, the judges of the Lahore court also gave a remark.
26:06 They said that they want to hold a meeting to bring their favorite people.
26:12 Last week, we saw Khalid Asad, who is the advocate of General Punjab.
26:16 And today, there was a request from Maryam Aurangzeb to give an in-camera briefing.
26:21 Meet them in the chamber and listen to them.
26:24 But the Lahore court has completely refused.
26:27 And their open court, whatever happened, it is not an open court.
26:31 What was the demand that was to be in-camera, which could not be done in person?
26:37 Did the government want something?
26:40 Is the government trying to change the way judges are appointed?
26:43 Are you listening to the panel?
26:45 Is there something else in the law?
26:47 What is going on?
26:49 The government, as the advocate general and Maryam Aurangzeb said,
26:55 repeatedly requested that they meet in the chamber.
26:58 So, there are certainly some things that the Chief Justice of the Lahore court wants to tell.
27:04 As far as the panel is concerned, Khalid Asad said,
27:08 today the Minister of Justice also said that the panel should be given.
27:11 So, the Chief Justice of the Lahore court said that the names that I had to give,
27:14 it is not written in the law that the Chief Justice will give the panel
27:18 and the names will be taken out from the panel and they will be appointed.
27:22 In the case of the briefing, the meeting in the chamber,
27:26 and if all the matters are heard from them,
27:29 the Chief Justice said that when did the Minister express that she wants to present
27:33 and wants to inform the court on this whole matter.
27:37 The Chief Justice has said that you are sitting in the open court.
27:39 Whatever we have to say in the open court, do it in front of everyone.
27:42 This is merit and this is the transparency.
27:44 And we have to listen to the talks in the open court.
27:46 So, even today we are seeing that they tried to talk in the chamber.
27:50 And they are not allowed to speak in the open court.
27:52 Right, right.
27:53 Mr. Abhishek, thank you very much.
27:54 You have told us the complete details.
27:56 Mr. Chaudhary, you are sitting in Lahore.
27:58 Let's start with you.
27:59 There are so many cases in one place and the cases are delayed in the appointments.
28:04 Our judiciary is sitting on the 139th position in the entire international ranking
28:09 and the judges are not being appointed here.
28:11 Why?
28:12 Why?
28:13 I mean, at one place, the court is being accused.
28:15 At the other place, where the requirement of judges is there,
28:17 that is not being fulfilled.
28:19 Now, the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court,
28:22 in his own opinion, from his own branch of the registrar,
28:25 from his own judges, the advice of his administrative committee,
28:29 he gives that this will be of the anti-terrorism court,
28:33 this will be of the accountability court,
28:36 this will be of this court.
28:38 He says that when we have given the names of our suitable people,
28:43 then there is no reason for your administration to sit on this.
28:47 This is his, what you have told and what I have heard, this is his position.
28:52 I think the administration should avoid this kind of debate.
28:58 This is delaying their justice.
29:02 And secondly, pick and choose is not a healthy sign in the judges.
29:08 Interesting.
29:09 Interesting.
29:10 But why are they asking for a panel, Hassan?
29:12 Asking for a panel means that they are talking about pick and choose,
29:16 Mr. Chaudhary, that pick and choose should not be done.
29:18 Whatever has been said, that is what is applied.
29:20 It has been like this for a long time.
29:22 Whether it is right or not, that is a separate debate.
29:24 But asking for a panel, choosing from that, of the government, is it right?
29:28 Actually, this practice has been going on since the past.
29:31 It has been more than 10 years and this practice has been kept.
29:36 And the governments are always appointing judges of their own choice.
29:42 But for the first time, the Chief Justice, Malik Shahzad Ahmed Khan,
29:46 has taken a good stand and I will support him in this.
29:50 Okay, why?
29:51 Because he is the opponent in the special courts.
29:53 Is it a good thing to choose from the judges?
29:55 See, he spoke very fairly.
29:57 He said that those who have given names, should be appointed.
30:01 And if you do not want to do it, if you do not like this practice,
30:05 then change the law.
30:07 But the way is, what does the law say at this time?
30:10 The law says that there is no scope for the government's advice in this.
30:17 So if the government wants its advice or consent, then change the law.
30:24 So the law that is present, they have no role in it.
30:26 So the government does not know this?
30:27 No, they know it completely.
30:29 Then why are they making such demands?
30:31 So, the meeting that was supposed to be held in the chamber,
30:35 what was the matter?
30:37 In this, apart from the anti-terrorist court,
30:39 you can say that there will be anti-corruption, banking courts, etc.
30:44 So, among all these, there are some random people who have gone,
30:47 on whom you have an objection.
30:49 Supposedly, if there are 50 courts, then if you have an objection on 5 of them,
30:53 then at least give the rest of the judges.
30:55 I have less time.
30:56 So, today they have a fair talk, I would like to talk last.
30:58 Even now, in the presence of Mariam Nawaz,
31:01 a meeting is going on on this matter.
31:04 In which the law ministers, who are temporarily made law ministers,
31:09 they are not permanent law ministers, they are also present.
31:11 And in that, your Advocate General Punjab, Khalid-e-Ishaq, is also present.
31:16 So, Bharat is also there, and I believe Mariam Aurangzeb is also sitting there.
31:19 Okay, Mr. Haider, Judge Tayanati,
31:21 Judge Tayanati comes later,
31:23 first, the Minister of Law, Tayanati,
31:25 whom we are looking forward to,
31:27 work was going on temporarily,
31:28 the government also did not work temporarily, so what will we do?
31:31 But the government, the law,
31:33 it is necessary and obligatory to know,
31:35 because they sit in the Parliament.
31:36 There is a legislation in the Parliament,
31:38 that is, the people who are in the government and opposition have to make laws.
31:42 And then, if someone talks away from the law,
31:44 then this strange logic, do you understand?
31:47 Look, Anika, neither you, nor I, nor Mr. Hassan Ayyub,
31:51 nor Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain,
31:53 have to decide who will be the judge,
31:55 who will be in which office,
31:57 who understands what, and who does not.
31:59 The thing is that the 50% issues in Pakistan,
32:03 are arising because of the news of the courts.
32:06 So, from 2007 to today, it has been 17 years,
32:09 That is a long debate, isn't it?
32:11 Let me answer what I wanted to say.
32:14 I want to bring it to you, Mr. Tayanati,
32:16 I have very little time, actually.
32:18 What should you talk about, Mr. Tayanati?
32:20 I am directly asking you,
32:22 does the government know what the law is?
32:24 Change the law, if they have made it in a different way.
32:27 If you take a government official,
32:28 he will tell you what the law is, how would we know?
32:30 Whether they know or not.
32:32 How would we know whether they know or not?
32:34 If you take a government official, he will tell you.
32:36 Wait a minute, Haider, is this even a question?
32:38 Whether the government official knows or not?
32:40 They are sitting on the chairs, they don't know.
32:42 They should know, that's why you said whether they know or not,
32:44 so I said they can tell whether they know or not.
32:46 Mr. Pujyaji is telling.
32:48 I just wanted to say,
32:50 I respect the video, I just wanted to say,
32:52 that the cases of these judges,
32:54 have taken our nation in a very bad way.
32:56 In their cases,
32:58 it is very difficult to get the nation out of it.
33:00 Yes.
33:02 Thank you very much.
33:04 We will go to the third topic after the break.
33:07 Whether the government knows or not.
33:09 Many people don't know,
33:11 that the government is sitting on a chair,
33:13 where they should know what the law is.
33:15 They have to make the law, if they don't know the law,
33:17 we will go to the break,
33:19 and then we will go forward to our third and last story.
33:21 Welcome back after the break.
33:27 In the political arena,
33:29 Maulana Fazlur Rahman's speech,
33:31 is being heard very loudly.
33:33 He has started talking very harshly.
33:35 At one place, obviously he is not meeting with the PTI,
33:37 but at the other place,
33:39 he is being heard talking against the government.
33:41 He has given a statement.
33:43 After that statement,
33:45 many questions are being raised.
33:47 We will talk about those questions,
33:49 but first, listen to the statement.
33:51 There is only one Jamaat,
33:53 which is talking about one thing.
33:55 In the 2018 elections,
33:57 we said that we have given a statement.
33:59 It is not that,
34:01 Noon League has become my friend,
34:03 People Party has become my friend,
34:05 we have started a movement together.
34:07 If their government comes,
34:09 then I will be quiet.
34:11 If a statement has been given here,
34:13 then we will have to make sacrifices.
34:15 Whether we have to go to jail,
34:17 or to the grave,
34:19 we will have to make sacrifices.
34:21 Mr. Chaudhary,
34:23 we have to be quiet and make sacrifices.
34:25 He has also talked about 2018,
34:27 and also about the present.
34:29 He is saying that,
34:31 whether PTI won,
34:33 or this government won,
34:35 we are raising the voice of Dhandli.
34:37 Against what?
34:39 Nowadays,
34:41 there are many people
34:43 who have become like this.
34:45 This happened in 1947 also.
34:47 This happened in 1958 also.
34:49 Leave it.
34:51 Talk about today.
34:53 This is about 8th February yesterday.
34:55 Elections have been held.
34:57 Results of that have been made.
34:59 If Dhandli has won,
35:01 then we will have to do something.
35:03 If not, then let them go.
35:05 And this is a pending matter in the courts.
35:07 And whatever it is,
35:09 the tribunal will decide.
35:11 Then, whatever is there,
35:13 the thing is that,
35:15 what Fazl-ur-Rehman is saying,
35:17 he is saying that,
35:19 if I was against Dhandli in 2018,
35:21 then how can I be in his favour today?
35:23 This is what I have understood.
35:25 And he has said something harsh.
35:27 That we are ready for
35:29 all types of sacrifices.
35:31 And the PTI,
35:33 the amount of allowance
35:35 that they had to give, they have given.
35:37 Okay.
35:39 Obviously, one thing is very clear.
35:41 They have given the PTI the allowance.
35:43 But on the other hand, if they are doing it,
35:45 they were doing it earlier also,
35:47 in 30 seconds,
35:49 you are the next Julaimal of Maulana.
35:51 In which he is saying that,
35:53 sacrifices had to be made.
35:55 So, it is very difficult to make sacrifices.
35:57 How do you see this?
35:59 Maulana is the most powerful politician of Pakistan.
36:01 Now, his purpose and objective is
36:03 to put Pakistan's justice behind him.
36:05 And although, in terms of numbers,
36:07 PTI is in a very big position
36:09 compared to them.
36:11 But despite this, Maulana will lead.
36:13 And that will become the strength of PTI Maulana.
36:15 And later, in politics, you know that
36:17 nothing is the last thing.
36:19 So, wait and see.
36:21 I think, politics has just started.
36:23 Now, politics has started,
36:25 so where will it end, Haider?
36:27 No, brother Ahsan has said the right thing.
36:29 Look, if a strong-minded politician like Maulana Fazlur Rahman
36:31 is the opposition leader of Pakistan,
36:33 then this is a very good thing for Pakistan.
36:35 He should become the front-line leader
36:37 of Pakistan's central opposition.
36:39 Look.
36:41 Right. Haider, thank you very much.
36:43 Ahsan, thank you very much for joining us.
36:45 And Mr. Chaudhary, thank you very much.
36:47 With this, we will move towards the end of the program.
36:49 As Ahsan has said,
36:51 now, the issues have just started.
36:53 Where will it end? The real question now is
36:55 that if the end is towards positivity
36:57 and towards political optimism,
36:59 which automatically leads to
37:01 economic stability,
37:03 then it is fine.
37:05 Otherwise, then obviously,
37:07 it will remain a state of confusion.
37:09 I will take your leave now. Take care of yourself.
37:11 Allah Hafiz.

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