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"TLP ke karkunan logon ke gharon per hamly karty thy": Ahsan Iqbal
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- Meher Bokhari
Guests:
- Ahsan Iqbal Chaudhary PMLN
- Syed Mustafa Kamal MQM-P
Khabar | Important hearing of faizabad sit-in case in supreme court | meher bukhari’s Report
"TLP ke karkunan logon ke gharon per hamly karty thy": Ahsan Iqbal
Faizabad dharna case: MQM Pakistan ne appeal wapis kyun leli?
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Transcript
00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening.
00:07 I am Meher Bukhari.
00:14 In the most important case of the biggest court in the country, the government, Election
00:19 Commission, Chairman Pemra, Dr. Tahirul Qadri and Rijaz Ul Haq have been severely misled.
00:24 The court has issued a written order.
00:27 The Supreme Court has also ruled out the Ministry of Defence, Intelligence Bureau, Election
00:30 Commission, MQM Pakistan, Tehreek-e-Insaf, Amami Muslim League and Rijaz Ul Haq's second
00:35 glance requests.
00:36 Chief Justice of Pakistan Qazi Faiz Isa has issued a written order for today's hearing
00:41 and has written that the former Chairman Pemra, Apsar Alam, has made serious allegations
00:46 against the person in his written order.
00:48 If the government forms a commission, Apsar Alam will present himself in this commission
00:53 and give a statement.
00:54 According to the written order, the three-member committee of the government is not available.
00:58 The court has not been given a satisfactory answer to the question of who the committee
01:03 can request.
01:04 The court has been told in the written order that the Attorney General has said that he
01:08 will suggest the formation of a commission under the Inquiry Commission Act.
01:11 The Attorney General is given time to suggest the establishment of a commission to the
01:15 loyal government.
01:16 If the government agrees, then the commission should be formed and a notification should
01:20 be presented.
01:21 According to the written order, the Attorney General has said that the loyal government
01:25 accepts the decision and is ready for a settlement.
01:28 According to the written order, we asked Chairman Pemra who was the one who decided to issue
01:32 the second glance.
01:33 So Chairman Pemra gave a contradictory answer.
01:35 During today's hearing, the Supreme Court has raised several questions by declaring the
01:40 government's fact-finding committee illegal.
01:42 The court has questioned that under which law the fact-finding committee was formed.
01:47 What is the legal status of the committee?
01:50 Will the reports be made and only reports will be made?
01:53 Nothing will happen.
01:54 The government committee is ready to throw dust in the eyes.
01:57 The court wants to know who was the mastermind of the Faizabad protest.
02:01 The Chief Justice said while interviewing the Attorney General that you and everyone else
02:05 are saying that the Faizabad protest decision is right.
02:08 Will all the TORs that the government committee has made be taken into account?
02:13 The TORs of the committee seem to have released everyone.
02:17 The government wants everyone to be held accountable and no one should be held responsible.
02:21 The Chief Justice said while declaring the illegality that billions were lost but the government
02:25 does not care.
02:26 What will happen to the committee's report?
02:28 What report will be presented in the cabinet?
02:30 The court has made it clear to the Attorney General that the court will not review the
02:34 report.
02:35 Why should the court do your work?
02:37 It is the government's duty to make the decision on the Faizabad protest.
02:40 The Chief Justice said while interviewing the Attorney General that the government committee
02:45 is not acceptable.
02:47 The court is not happy with this fact-finding committee.
02:49 The committee made by the government is illegal.
02:51 The Chief Justice said while interviewing the Attorney General that the Supreme Court
02:56 will declare that the government did nothing in the Faizabad protest.
03:00 Since February 6, 2019, no action has been taken on the decision.
03:04 Everyone here will say that no one can ask me what I do.
03:09 The government should say that we will not work.
03:12 The Attorney General, Mansoor Usman, said that the government has made the committee
03:16 only for research.
03:17 The committee will give recommendations on its report.
03:20 The Chief Justice remarked that the fact-finding committee is just a piece of paper.
03:25 A country cannot be run with a piece of paper.
03:27 Tell us which rules of business and which law made the committee?
03:32 It will not be the way the government wants to run the affairs.
03:36 The Chief Justice remarked while interviewing the government that a community has made the
03:42 entire country a piece of paper.
03:43 A person was imported from a foreign country and made a piece of paper.
03:47 And he returned.
03:48 Did the government contact the Canadian government?
03:51 Will people come from Canada and protest?
03:53 No one will ask.
03:54 Can Pakistanis go to Canada and protest like this?
03:57 No one in Pakistan asks.
03:59 No matter what you do, go to Dubai or other countries.
04:03 No one cares about this country.
04:05 The Chief Justice raised the question that what was the purpose of importing a person?
04:09 Was it to make the government dismissed?
04:11 Will a person be imported again and served in the future?
04:15 Did this person come from Canada and pay for his ticket?
04:19 During the end of the Faizabad protest, the court also asked the question that does the
04:24 government really want to follow the decision of the Faizabad protest?
04:27 Which law says that if the protest is postponed, the decision will not be followed?
04:32 Chief Justice, Justice Qazi Faiz Isa, said with a strong argument that the government
04:36 does not have the capability to investigate.
04:39 Ask the children, they can answer better than you.
04:42 The Chief Justice also said while condemning the government that the government should
04:46 learn from the past and take such steps that such incidents do not happen in the future.
04:50 When the law is in the hands of the perpetrators, people will learn a lesson.
04:54 Justice Athar Minalla said that it is the government's responsibility to enforce the
04:58 law.
04:59 The investigation of the government commission should be transparent.
05:02 During the hearing, the Supreme Court also questioned Chairman Pemra.
05:06 The court asked Chairman Pemra, who gave you the permission to file a complaint against
05:09 Nazarsani?
05:10 Chairman Pemra replied that it was Pemra's own decision.
05:14 The Chief Justice asked to show the written decision.
05:17 The answer was that it was a verbal decision.
05:19 The court referred to Pemra's law and said that according to the law, Pemra can not
05:23 make any verbal decision.
05:24 The Chief Justice addressed Chairman Pemra and said that if Nazarsani's written decision
05:29 is not made, then your request for Nazarsani does not exist.
05:33 Look at the Nazarsani request, it is your signature.
05:36 The Chief Justice also questioned the lawyer of the Election Commission and stopped Hafiz
05:41 from using the word Hafiz in the name of the responsible person of Tehrik-e-Labaik Pakistan.
05:45 The Chief Justice questioned the lawyer of the Election Commission that why are you calling
05:50 him Hafiz in a legal institution?
05:52 You do not treat people equally.
05:54 Whatever you wrote in the Amal Dharamal report is before the decision.
05:58 What steps should be taken after our decision?
06:00 Tell us that.
06:01 These days, the word 'law' is becoming more and more.
06:05 The Chief Justice questioned that there is not a single round figure in the details of
06:10 Tehrik-e-Labaik Pakistan's future funding.
06:13 It is obvious that these funds came from Benin only.
06:16 The currency that did not become a single round figure by changing, the lawyer of the
06:21 Election Commission said that if someone wants to give 1820 rupees, we cannot tell him
06:26 to give the whole 1800.
06:28 If time is given, we will take a look at it.
06:31 The Chief Justice questioned that it seems that you are advocating for TLP.
06:35 Who is trying to benefit from the report related to the TLP of the Election Commission?
06:40 You are advocating for someone else instead of your institution.
06:43 TLP did not tell the source of 33% income.
06:47 The Chief Justice said that the Election Commission tried to deceive the court by giving a scrutiny
06:53 and if we start the proceedings against the Election Commission, you will like it.
06:58 The Lawyer of the Election Commission said that the institution of the Election Commission
07:02 is loyal to the country.
07:03 The Chief Justice said that if the institutions are destroyed under the system, then what
07:08 will be loyal to the country?
07:10 The lawyers of the Election Commission are advocating for those who had to be investigated.
07:14 After a long hearing, the court has decided to appoint the real officials by excluding
07:19 the requests of the Ministry of Defense, Intelligence Bureau and the Law Enforcement.
07:23 After the most important remarks in the most important case, it is also very important to
07:27 know that the Muslim League Noon government and the agreement between the leadership of
07:31 the Law Enforcement and the Law Enforcement was declared a government surrender.
07:35 Was it declared correct or is the PMLN still standing on that agreement?
07:39 To talk about this, we have with us the senior leader of the Muslim League Noon and the
07:44 former minister of interior, Mr. Ahsan Iqbal.
07:48 Mr. Ahsan, thank you very much for being with us.
07:50 Sir, today the Faizabad Dharna case is being heard in the Samad Supreme Court.
07:55 This agreement is with everyone.
07:57 It is here and you have your signature on it.
07:59 Do you still stand by it?
08:01 Look, this was a very dangerous game that was played at that time.
08:05 And this agreement was needed to be made at that time when I started getting information
08:11 that in some areas, there were riots of barail and deobandi.
08:17 And this was such a dangerous fire that was put on at that time.
08:22 You see that in our villages, cities, and neighborhoods, the mosques of deobandi and
08:28 barail are in front of us, the madars are in front of us.
08:32 God forbid, if this war of the sects would have spread or happened, then the map of Pakistan
08:38 would have become dangerous from Lebanon.
08:41 So at that time, I told the leadership of that time, our political and security, that
08:48 we cannot let it go on like this.
08:50 So it has to be wound up.
08:52 Otherwise, this will become such a situation that no one will be able to control it.
08:56 So then finally we were told that they are willing to give the resignation of the
09:03 loyal minister of law, Mr. Zahid Ahmed, then they will call off.
09:09 So maybe Khaqan Abbasi and I were not in favor of forcing them to resign for no reason.
09:16 But I think one must give credit to Mr. Zahid Ahmed that when this situation was explained to him
09:23 that we can avoid a very big destruction from their side, which we can see at this time.
09:30 God forbid, if this fire had spread a little, it would have come on a large scale,
09:34 so there would have been a lot of destruction.
09:36 So then it was done at that time and as a result of this, they announced to lift the
09:41 protest from here and we were successful in diffusing this situation.
09:45 Ahsan Iqbal, you mentioned secretarian vulnerabilities.
09:49 Some political factors and objectives might be behind this.
09:53 But you have paid a very personal price for this.
09:58 You were attacked, you were shot at.
10:02 When we look back, was there no other option?
10:06 No, there was no one at that time.
10:08 Look, the situation was so widespread and explosive at that time, if you remember,
10:12 the workers of TLP were attacking the homes of some people,
10:17 as you have heard in Tehreek-e-Azadi, or in many countries where there is a complete civil breakdown
10:27 and religious riots are rampant.
10:30 So I don't need to tell you how Rana Sinaula was attacked at that time,
10:35 how our MPs were attacked in Lahore.
10:38 I was attacked with a group at Narowal's house.
10:42 Then I did a survival assassination campaign.
10:46 So that situation was certainly very dangerous.
10:49 But the religious card that was played, the operation to topple our government,
10:56 that was the whole work.
11:00 And its purpose was definitely not related to Tehreek-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwat.
11:04 It was the whole Tehreek-e-Khatm-e-Hakumat, to topple the government.
11:09 You must remember that the leaders were shot, their shoes were thrown,
11:14 the aim of the whole operation was that in the 2018 elections,
11:19 the Muslim League should be portrayed as a group that is responsible for the insult of the Prophet.
11:29 At that time, the inscriptions were being taken.
11:32 Mr. Iqbal, when this was culminating,
11:34 eventually it came to this point, as if you were giving me headlines.
11:37 At one time you also said that this is just a three-hour job,
11:40 if we do not deal with them, we can clean it in three hours.
11:43 At that time, Prime Minister Shahid Qaqan Abbasi and I also had the opinion that
11:48 General Faiz should not sign on it.
11:51 In this case, the involvement of the army in this kind of matter is not good for the institution and not good for them either.
11:59 But then he said that the other team wants that without my signature, this agreement is not acceptable to them.
12:08 The weight had to come from their signature for the other team.
12:11 So therefore, this is a fact-finding mission, so we will find out things in it, but there is no doubt in this.
12:19 But you knew at that time.
12:21 I had an idea that this whole operation was part of the game under which Nawaz Sharif was killed,
12:29 it was part of the game under which we were defeated in the 2018 elections,
12:34 it was part of the game under which Imran Khan was imprisoned in this country.
12:39 So this was the whole operation to get rid of Nawaz Sharif and to bring in Imran Khan.
12:45 And you see, news had also been published that Tyrell Qadri, Imran Khan and some people had a meeting in London at that time,
12:55 in which Chaudhary Sarwar's name had also come.
12:58 So all these things were open secret at that time.
13:01 So you had a meeting with Bade Mian that he is becoming a signatory, a guarantor.
13:06 No, at that time I had a meeting with the Prime Minister.
13:08 Abbasi was the Prime Minister, but Nawaz Sharif had also asked questions.
13:11 I was taking out more headlines and imagine the cycle we go in.
13:16 This is the date of 29th November 2017.
13:22 Nawaz Sharif was asking the same question that Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib is asking today.
13:27 Who is behind the Faizabad Dharna?
13:29 Who settled the terms of Accorda?
13:31 Chief Justice is asking who was the mastermind?
13:33 You had said that you will meet one on one and brief him.
13:38 What did you tell him?
13:39 No, no, I was not talking about one on one on TV.
13:43 You can tell him retrospectively.
13:45 Today the biggest court of the country is showing that a man was brought in by an import.
13:50 To remove your government, tomorrow someone else will come by import.
13:54 I think that the action taken by Justice Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib is very good.
13:59 We should settle these things so that it does not repeat in the future.
14:03 There are many consequences for the country.
14:05 When you introduce these things, then you have to bear the consequences for many years.
14:10 But you did not give any Halfnama affidavit.
14:13 Shahid Khan Abbasi also said that if the court calls me, I will tell.
14:16 Now the whole world has given. Neither you nor Saadat Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib.
14:19 If the court had called, we would have told them whatever we know.
14:22 But I think that the thing they have noticed is very good.
14:26 It should be ended forever.
14:28 You see, one person comes and see how much he collected chanda.
14:35 He told people that you will get such a reward as if you are in the field of Karbala.
14:39 You will get such a reward as if you are doing a battle of Badr and Hunain.
14:43 And women gave their jewelry and people gave their pensions.
14:48 What did you do after that?
14:50 You made a political theater and went to your homes.
14:55 Imran Khan Sahib is a part of this whole operation.
14:58 Are we safe from these dangers today or today you cannot say with confidence that we are safe from these dangers.
15:01 We have closed the doors.
15:03 I think that the way society has progressed, see there is a lesson for everyone.
15:07 If this is such a big game, then the result of it is that we have been harmed to some extent.
15:15 But the government did not fall.
15:16 Later, we had to deal with the election.
15:18 So after that, the consequences of it were religiously, which have created a lot of displeasure.
15:24 TLP is a big political reality today.
15:26 You know that the fifth largest party was proven in the last elections.
15:30 A huge chunk of your vote bank was taken.
15:33 Even today, TLPA has shaken your vote bank.
15:36 See in Karachi.
15:37 It is a political reality.
15:39 About which today the Chief Justice was also taking the Election Commission in his hands.
15:43 Where did it register? Who registered?
15:45 Where did the money come from?
15:46 Sometimes you say that the law is cosmetic, sometimes you say that there is a little foreign funding.
15:49 The purpose of supporting TLP in 2018 was that a large chunk of the religious vote of PMLN is related to the Braille field.
15:59 Because they have a lot of majority in Pakistan.
16:02 So the vote bank of the PMLN in the Braille field should be cut.
16:07 And a part of it should be taken out and damaged.
16:11 What was the result?
16:12 That by standing up to TLP, some 20,000, some 30,000, some 40,000, some 15,000 votes,
16:18 we have lost 20 to 25 seats.
16:21 Today, the Chief Justice has also opposed the three-point committee.
16:24 He said, "Don't throw dust in your eyes."
16:26 It is equivalent to that.
16:27 Neither does he have powers, nor can the black.
16:30 His report will be heard in the cabinet.
16:32 Because we will not do your work.
16:33 He has also criticized the Attorney General of Pakistan.
16:37 The government of Pakistan has been asked to make a fact-finding committee on this.
16:45 And give him very strong TORs.
16:47 Make a commission.
16:49 Do you support this?
16:50 Yes, of course.
16:51 I say that it should be known.
16:53 Because this is a very...
16:54 And what kind of TORs will you propose?
16:56 Given that you were at the heart of this whole episode.
17:00 And then you paid a price for it.
17:03 It should be explored.
17:05 Why did this happen? How did this happen?
17:07 And who led them?
17:08 How did it happen? Who led them?
17:10 So that we can justify these things in the future.
17:13 Now, you see, the same foundation that was laid in 2018.
17:18 So you support this inquiry commission.
17:20 As a result of this, you see that the Sial court was adjourned.
17:24 This is a consequence of this, which was the root of it.
17:28 When we ourselves beat the extremist forces with our own hands,
17:32 And innocent youth, innocent people are affected by religious slogans.
17:37 They are manipulated.
17:39 And the person who shot me, his mind was manipulated.
17:43 His mind was filled with hatred.
17:45 That is, I belong to a religious family.
17:48 I am not a denier of religion, God forbid.
17:51 God forbid.
17:52 God forbid, I am not a victim of the insult of the Prophet (pbuh)
17:57 But so much hatred is filled in the mind.
18:00 That that young man also took my life and thought that he was going to be Ghazi Ilamuddin.
18:05 I salute my circle of voters so much.
18:09 That the consciousness that the people of Narowal expressed.
18:13 That I fought the last election on the basis that the candidates of PTI were using this religious card against us.
18:21 TLP was using this religious card against us.
18:25 And I used to tell people through Hadith and verses in every gathering that the judge of faith is neither PTI nor TLP, but the being of Allah.
18:35 The inquiry committee that you are welcoming, the government should be made.
18:39 But if this government is not made, will your government be made or whose?
18:42 Yes, it should be made.
18:44 And these things should be seen so that their truth is seen.
18:46 And will you be present to give a statement?
18:48 If I am asked, I will definitely be there.
18:50 But I tell you, these are the things that affect the integrity of society.
18:56 Look, now everyone has withdrawn their review, PTI, Ministry of Defense, MQM, Pemra.
19:04 Chief Justice was asking earlier, why are you so scared?
19:07 What are you afraid of?
19:09 No, but when they withdrew the review, it means that their real decision stands.
19:15 So they kept asking whether the decision of the review was yours or someone told you.
19:21 So here...
19:23 Only those who filed the review can answer that who forced them to enter the review.
19:31 And today, Mr. Yakmur is withdrawing it.
19:34 So what does this mean? This means that today people are not under pressure.
19:37 Today people are free.
19:38 If there was pressure on them, they would have followed it today that we did this review and we will do this.
19:43 And if today, sir, all the people are free, but you see that democratic credentials, democratic identity, democratic identity,
19:49 which is only and only the influence of Muslim League Noon is happening now.
19:52 Now your Harif, along with your allies, everyone is pointing fingers at you.
19:56 I will tell you, the people who are pointing fingers at us, these are the people who want 2018 again.
20:02 They want that in 2018, Nawaz Sharif should be removed from the electoral policy.
20:09 Muslim League Noon should be targeted again and the way for them should be clear.
20:14 In the last election, PTI and People's Party together did the drama of Panama or not.
20:19 In a false case, the level playing field was snatched from us.
20:23 Today, the level playing field is not a matter of People's Party or PTI, but a matter of Muslim League Noon,
20:29 from which this level playing field was snatched in 2018.
20:32 We want this level playing field back so that we get our leader back, who will come and elect.
20:37 People's Party also wants 2018 again.
20:39 See, at that time, their big arch rival, Muslim League Noon, was made dysfunctional from the field.
20:45 The field was empty for them.
20:47 So today, if Nawaz Sharif gets justice and the false cases against Nawaz Sharif,
20:54 which people had made, those characters have gone.
20:56 And there is a possibility that the injustice will be removed with them.
21:00 So they should be happy that Muslim League Noon, which is a major political party,
21:05 is getting a level playing field again, which was snatched from it in 2019.
21:09 Is it level today? Is it level?
21:10 Absolutely.
21:11 Is it completely level?
21:12 Yes, it is. It is level for everyone.
21:13 The elections that will come without Tehreek-e-Insaf will be acceptable for you,
21:18 because they will not be for People's Party.
21:20 Look, as far as I know, there is no such thing as Tehreek-e-Insaf being excluded from the elections
21:25 or restrictions have been imposed on them.
21:27 They are a political party and they are free to fight the elections.
21:32 But will elections be acceptable to you without PTI? Simple question, sir.
21:35 No, we will welcome PTI candidates in our constituencies.
21:38 So they will not be acceptable to you if PTI is not there?
21:41 Look, it doesn't matter to us. It is their decision.
21:43 So you will still accept the elections?
21:45 Yes, we will fight the elections.
21:46 Why is People's Party coming so close to PTI?
21:49 The reason is that the voter of PTI is more than 70% or 75% of the ex-People's Party voters.
22:00 The voter of Muslim League Noon did not go to PTI.
22:04 People's Party is coming close to PTI and trying to attract the voter of PTI.
22:10 Because the major chunk of the voter of PTI used to be the voter of the old People's Party.
22:17 So that is why People's Party is trying to attract the voter of PTI.
22:22 And they want to take full advantage of the absence of the ex-Prime Minister.
22:26 Yes.
22:27 So they are cashing in on that. Good strategy.
22:29 If we get two-thirds majority, we will want to establish a vast government.
22:35 National government?
22:36 Yes, national government. But we will need broad support.
22:40 Who will be your opposition?
22:42 We will need broad support.
22:43 We will need support from people like Raja Riaz.
22:44 We will need support from the opposition.
22:46 We will need support from the opposition.
22:49 Who will be the opposition?
22:50 I don't know.
22:52 If you all sit together in the national government, then who will be the opposition?
22:56 I am not saying national government. I am saying that if you all finish the conversation.
23:00 Like in 2013-18, the opposition, the opposition was the worst.
23:04 We gathered everyone in the National Action Plan.
23:07 We gathered everyone for CPAC.
23:09 We worked together with the People's Party to bring peace in Karachi.
23:13 So for a greater agenda.
23:14 It was an opposition party.
23:16 So a broad-based understanding.
23:18 See, now democracy has to be in the format of competitive collaboration.
23:25 Will you invite PTI as well?
23:27 After the elections, whoever will be the representative,
23:32 whichever party will bring a mandate,
23:36 it is our duty to invite all the national issues.
23:42 Including PM LN will be ready to sit with Tehreek-e-Insaab.
23:45 After the elections, we will sit with the representatives and agree on national issues.
23:50 Thank you very much, Ahsan Iqbal.
23:52 You have heard the conversation.
23:53 We are going to take a very short break. We are going to be right back.
23:55 [Music]
24:00 MQM's senior NOM, Mustafa Kamal is with us.
24:03 The case of Mustafa Faizabad Dharamal Dharamat has come to an end.
24:06 Your current party had filed an appeal in this case.
24:09 And on the last hearing, the appeals were withdrawn.
24:12 Ahsan Iqbal was saying that those who withdrew,
24:15 ask them what was the reason for filing the appeal and withdrawing it now.
24:18 Why did your party withdraw its appeal?
24:21 Just like other parties withdrew, we also withdrew.
24:25 Please don't ask us too many questions. We cannot answer you.
24:31 Everyone knows why we withdrew.
24:35 And now we have withdrawn it.
24:37 We have withdrawn it in the same way as we withdrew it.
24:40 Mr. Mustafa Kamal, the Chief Justice of Pakistan wants to know
24:43 who was pressurized to file the appeal back then.
24:46 If those 9 parties tell us their reasons,
24:51 we will also know. Why are you asking us everything?
24:54 So, sir, when you withdrew the appeal,
24:57 the decision of the Faizabad Dharamal case was accepted by everyone?
25:01 Who cannot accept the decision of the Chief Justice?
25:06 Who will not accept it? Is anyone crazy?
25:09 We are a very small entity.
25:16 We are still in the big picture.
25:19 We have to think and answer to all the big players.
25:23 We have a very small role and a very small share.
25:26 Sir, a small entity does big things.
25:28 Tell us, the inquiry commission that you are demanding
25:31 that the government should make it a strong TOR.
25:34 Do you consider it a good thing?
25:36 They have involved everyone in the committee's reports
25:40 so that no one is involved.
25:42 The Chief Justice wants to fix the big player.
25:46 Who is the mastermind?
25:50 I think if they are saying, then the committee will have to be made.
25:55 And then it will have to be dug out and taken to that level.
25:59 And it depends on how much the Chief Justice pursues.
26:02 If he pursues like this, then it will be made.
26:06 The committee will be made and we will know.
26:08 So, Mr. Mustafa, whatever happened on 12th May,
26:10 because the MQM is also mentioned in the Faizabad Dharamal case.
26:14 There was a direct attack on 9th May.
26:16 A red line crossed.
26:18 No one can support that.
26:20 But people create a comparison of both the incidents.
26:24 About 60 people were killed.
26:27 14 people were burnt alive.
26:29 The media was attacked.
26:31 I know that on 12th May, all the parties were on the road.
26:37 Our party was holding a rally on that day.
26:42 And all the other parties, 11-12 parties,
26:45 went to the city to take out rallies and receive the Chief Justice at the airport.
26:51 There was a clash.
26:52 About 56-57 people died.
26:55 About 60 people died.
26:57 34 people lost their lives on that day.
27:04 We have taken their names, their funerals.
27:09 So, whatever happened, it is in front of everyone.
27:12 But it was not a one-sided thing.
27:14 I am not saying that it was very unfortunate.
27:18 We could have avoided it.
27:20 We could have avoided it.
27:21 The leadership could have avoided it.
27:23 It could not have been a worse incident.
27:25 But we have healed the wounds.
27:27 We have gone to the communities of Pakhtoons, ANP and other communities.
27:31 Thank God, our wounds have been healed.
27:34 And we all have realized that the situation in Karachi is very different from the political parties.
27:40 Now, no one can be here on 12th May.
27:42 Inshallah.
27:43 And sir, because the Chief Justice does not want to see any such incident.
27:46 And certainly, no one wants to take the law and order in their hands.
27:50 But some people think that blood was shed on 12th May.
27:53 After that, there was a difficult time for the leadership and your community.
27:57 Cases were also made.
27:58 Today, 9th May cases are being run in civil courts and military courts.
28:02 Not doing any comparisons.
28:05 The nature is completely different.
28:11 But what should be done to ensure that nothing like this happens again?
28:15 Look, no one went to the home of the Corps Commander on 12th May.
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33:10 The Afghan citizens' movement to Pakistan started in 1989 with the Soviet Union's attack on Afghanistan.
33:15 On one side of the war was the Soviet Union and Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
33:19 On the other side were the Afghan Mujahideen.
33:21 The Afghan Mujahideen were supported by the US, the Arab world, Pakistan and almost the entire world.
33:26 The Afghan Mujahideen were called to the US for meetings, they were given weapons and all financial aid.
33:33 They were given camps for training.
33:35 US President Ronald Reagan met his office in 1983 and supported the warriors who fought against the Soviet Union.
33:47 Let there be no mistake about it, the withdrawal of Soviet forces is the key to resolving the Afghan crisis.
33:53 On behalf of the American people, I salute Chairman Khalid, his delegation and the people of Afghanistan themselves.
34:00 The Afghans, like the Poles, wish nothing more, as you've just been so eloquently told,
34:06 than to live their lives in peace, practice their religion and freedom and to exercise their right to self-determination.
34:12 I have spoken on occasion of the presence of unsung heroes in American life.
34:17 Today we recognize a nation of unsung heroes whose courageous struggle is one of the epics of our time.
34:22 We have a human responsibility to the Afghan refugees.
34:26 The United States has given generous support to the UN's refugee effort
34:29 and I'm pleased to announce today an additional commitment of $21.3 million worth of food.
34:35 This contribution will bring the total US support for the refugees to over $200 million in the past two years.
34:42 The Afghan population has been destroyed by the war.
34:44 Between 5 million and 20 million Afghans have been killed.
34:47 And hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees have started coming to Pakistan.
34:51 Spygniev Brzezinski, the then National Security Advisor and veteran US political scientist,
34:58 also visited the refugee camps in Pakistan.
35:01 Spygniev Brzezinski is the same person who has written dozens of books including The Grand Chessboard,
35:06 while his book Power and Principles, as a National Security Advisor,
35:10 highlights the role of the US during the Soviet-Afghan war.
35:14 At first, refugee camps were built in Peshawar, tribal areas and Balochistan for the refugees.
35:19 On one hand, the refugees were coming to Pakistan,
35:21 and on the other, the Soviet troops were destroying the Afghan infrastructure.
35:26 But then, on 15 February 1999, the Soviet Union began its invasion of Afghanistan.
35:32 The whole world, including the US, was left speechless by the situation in Afghanistan.
35:36 Much like what's happening today.
35:38 Since the Soviet Union's supporting government was fighting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan,
35:43 as soon as the Soviet forces invaded, no one was ready to fill this void.
35:48 As a result, a civil war broke out in Afghanistan.
35:51 The civil war that lasted for three days, from 15 February 1999 to 27 April 1992,
35:59 killed approximately 14,000 Afghan civilians.
36:02 The civil war ended on the Peshawar Treaty.
36:04 Gulbadin Hikmatyar, Burhanuddin Rubbani, Ahmed Shah Masood,
36:08 and many other Afghan Mujahideen signed the Peshawar Treaty.
36:11 This treaty could not be maintained for long.
36:13 Meanwhile, the fight against Afghan President, Muhammad Najibullah, continued.
36:17 And to gain power, civil war broke out in different groups.
36:21 The second civil war broke out between 28 April 1992 and 27 September 1996.
36:27 And it began when, to remove President Najibullah,
36:31 the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan began fighting to take over Kabul.
36:34 In the leadership of Mullah Omar, the Afghan Taliban took over Kandahar, Herat, Jalalabad, and other important areas.
36:40 But they could not take over North Afghanistan.
36:43 And the reason for this was the war shoes worn by the leaders of the Ahmad Shah Masood,
36:47 who are known as the Northern Alliance.
36:50 The second civil war was so bloody that the population of Kabul was reduced to 500,000.
36:55 It was such a bloody fight that in just one month, 500,000 Afghan citizens left Kabul.
37:00 According to experts, the second civil war is still affecting the politics and society of Afghanistan.
37:07 During this civil war, the Afghan Taliban occupied almost the entire Afghanistan.
37:11 President Najibullah and his brother were hanged while implementing the Shariah.
37:15 And from here, the era began, which later took over the entire region, especially Pakistan.
37:21 And we are still suffering the effects of this era.
37:24 The second civil war ended with the Taliban taking over Kabul.
37:27 On 27 September 1996, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was declared.
37:32 From 1996 to 7 October 2001, the third civil war continued.
37:37 It was not more bloody than the first two civil wars, but it had a very deep impact on Pakistan.
37:43 Because during the Soviet-Afghan war, people who had left the Pakistani areas for the sake of Afghanistan Jihad,
37:50 they started demanding Shariah in the tribal areas of Pakistan on their return.
37:55 Similarly, the warlords from other countries, especially the Arab world,
37:59 started increasing their numbers and one of them was Osama bin Laden.
38:05 It is interesting that the same Afghan Mujahideen who were called to the Oval Office
38:09 and declared heroes in the war against the Soviet Union,
38:12 when they occupied the entire Kabul, the whole world, including the United States, went against them.
38:17 The US attacked the World Trade Center.
38:19 Although no Afghan citizen was involved in this attack, the US still attacked Afghanistan.
38:25 Because the US believed that Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were behind the attack
38:29 and because the Afghan Taliban were not giving them to the US, they had to be targeted in Afghanistan.
38:37 US President George Bush Jr. declared war against terrorism and said,
38:42 "Either you are with us or against us."
38:44 In response, the then Army Commander in Chief, President Pervez Musharraf,
38:48 joined the foreign war and set Pakistan on fire, which killed thousands of Pakistanis.
38:56 "The US now has a decision to make. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."
39:01 "Either you are with us or you are with the enemy. There is no in between."
39:04 "Either you are with us or you are with the enemy. That's clear. I will continue to make that clear."
39:08 On October 7, 2001, the air bombardment began.
39:11 After two months of continuous bombardment, NATO and the United Forces launched a ground operation.
39:17 After the US attack, the Afghan Mujahideen began their second invasion
39:20 and hundreds of thousands of Afghan Mujahideen entered Pakistan.
39:24 Since 1980, Pakistan has treated these Afghan Mujahideen as its guests.
39:29 During this time, hundreds of thousands of Afghan Mujahideen came to Pakistan.
39:32 They got married, had children, and did business.
39:35 But this is also a fact that Pakistan paid the price for their actions.
39:40 The war against terrorism set Pakistan on fire.
39:44 80,000 of our Pakistanis were martyred.
39:46 Billions of dollars were lost.
39:48 But despite all this, Pakistan had to face more problems in recent years
39:52 when two years ago, after the US forces' defeat, Taliban took over Afghanistan once again.
39:58 Since the entire world had imposed restrictions on the Taliban government,
40:02 the lack of dollars was being fulfilled by Pakistan.
40:05 Also, as soon as the Afghan government imposed restrictions on Pakistani currency,
40:09 the demand for dollars increased in Afghanistan.
40:12 Because all business began in dollars.
40:14 Dollars were smuggled from Pakistan and began to go to Afghanistan.
40:17 And behind this was a network of Afghan citizens working.
40:20 In Peshawar and other cities, Afghan citizens bought dollars and sent them to Afghanistan.
40:25 According to one report, 50 lakh dollars were being smuggled from Pakistan every day.
40:29 While according to Bloomberg's report, this smuggling of dollars
40:33 made Pakistani rupee so weak in comparison to the dollar
40:36 that in the open market, the dollar reached the highest level of 335 rupees.
40:40 And thus, the Pakistani economy reached the brink of total destruction.
40:44 Since the Afghan citizens were also involved in this dollar smuggling,
40:48 the government decided that if the residents of Pakistan are not transferred to another country illegally,
40:54 the Pakistani economy will be completely destroyed.
40:57 And then last month, the decision was made to carry out an operation against the residents of Pakistan illegally.
41:01 And today's deadline was taken.
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