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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:14Dear viewers, we have been observing for the last 3-4 days that Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
00:20has become very active.
00:22He is discussing various bars in relation to the 26th amendment.
00:26Earlier, I saw that he has activated all the leadership of his party
00:30to meet all the other political parties
00:33and create a consensus on the 26th amendment,
00:37which will include judicial reforms.
00:39Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, why has he taken this as a front row role
00:45and why is he playing the role of a center forward?
00:49We will discuss this in detail in the second part of the program.
00:52But today, our top story is from the past to the present.
00:56You know the current situation in the Supreme Court.
00:59That is why we have invited the President of Islamabad High Court Bar Association,
01:03Mr. Riazat Ali Azad to the program.
01:06We will talk to him and understand the legal and legal points.
01:09He is also an advocate of the Supreme Court.
01:11And as usual, our house is full.
01:14One and only Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh is from Lahore.
01:18Mr. Hassan Ayyub and Mr. Naqvi are with me here.
01:23They don't tell us where they are sitting.
01:26Anyway, they want to hide this thing.
01:29We don't ask them much questions about this.
01:31Viewers, yesterday you saw that the five-member bench of the Supreme Court,
01:37which was supposed to sit,
01:39did not sit as a five-member bench, but as a four-member bench.
01:42Its ruling came late at night after our program.
01:46What was the ruling? We will put it in front of you.
01:49This was the written ruling of the Supreme Court Article 63A case.
01:56We have instructed the Supreme Court to keep the copy of the ruling in front of Justice Muneeb Akhtar.
02:02We request the Supreme Court to request Justice Muneeb Akhtar to become a member of the bench.
02:07It is written in the ruling.
02:09If Justice Muneeb Akhtar refuses, the Judges Committee will include a new judge in the bench.
02:14Today, Justice Muneeb Akhtar became a member of the bench in Court No. 3.
02:18Viewers, this is the ruling of the case that took place the day before yesterday.
02:22Justice Muneeb Akhtar and other judges were present in the tea room.
02:27They were drinking tea in the afternoon.
02:31We request the Supreme Court to provide the copy of the ruling to Justice Muneeb Akhtar.
02:37The hearing of the case will take place tomorrow at 11.30 p.m.
02:42After receiving the ruling, Justice Muneeb Akhtar wrote a letter to the Supreme Court.
02:49Our senior judges are writing letters to the Supreme Court.
02:54This was Justice Muneeb Akhtar's second letter to the Supreme Court yesterday.
03:03Justice Muneeb Akhtar said that the Civil Review Petition No. 197 was scheduled to be heard in front of the Panch Rukni Bench on 30 September 2022.
03:13I was also included in this hearing.
03:16I was also sent a copy of the Mubena Order Petition.
03:21It is clear from the Mubena Order that this case was to be heard in front of the Panch Rukni Bench.
03:26I was also included in this hearing.
03:31It was found that four senior judges, Justice Amin-ud-Din Khan, Justice Jamal Khan Mandokhil and Justice Mazhar Alam Mian Khil, were present in the court.
03:44They heard the petition.
03:46I do not understand how the Panch Rukni Bench was changed to the Panch Rukni Bench.
03:53However, there is a place for five signatures in the end of the Mubena Order.
03:58The place where I had to lose my signature is vacant.
04:01This further confirms that the petition was to be heard in front of the Panch Rukni Bench.
04:07So, in hindsight, I am very sorry that the Mubena Order that you have sent me cannot be called a judicial order in any way.
04:22In a case that was listed in front of the Panch Rukni Bench, neither four judges could sit on the bench, nor could they hear it.
04:31This is a very important question.
04:33In hindsight, it seems that all judicial procedures, traditions, regulations, and regulations have been put in place.
04:41With all due respect, this is not acceptable to me.
04:45I respect all four judges.
04:48I am sorry for what happened in the court and in the society.
04:52However, I record my protest with respect.
04:55Therefore, the Mubena Order is called a Mubena Order.
04:58In hindsight, there is no judicial order.
05:01The direction given in paragraph 4 of the Mubena Order is completely ineffective.
05:07Viewers, today, the four-member bench has been made into a five-member bench.
05:17We received the remarks of Justice Qazi Faisal, who is heading this bench.
05:24He is saying that yesterday, Justice Muneeb Akhtar wrote a letter.
05:29He has maintained his position.
05:32I called Justice Mansoor Ali Shah to the committee.
05:35He did not come.
05:37Qazi Faisal is saying that he contacted his secretary.
05:40His staff contacted him and told him that he would not participate.
05:44Justice Mansoor Ali Shah has refused to participate in both the committee and the bench.
05:49After this, we had no other option.
05:53Chief Justice Qazi Faisal has included Justice Naeem Afghan without disturbing the other benches.
06:01On Sardarji Reference, Rai and 184.3 are two separate cases.
06:06Justice Qazi Faisal has presented his argument on this.
06:10First of all, thank you very much for your time.
06:13Sir, this is a very unprecedented and unique environment.
06:20In the past, we have seen, you remember, the case of Sajjad Ali Shah.
06:26That was a long time ago.
06:28I think it was 1998 or something.
06:34Tell me, what are the effects of this unprecedented situation and how will it continue?
06:46First of all, thank you very much for giving me time in this program.
06:53I would like to talk about the situation before that.
07:00When Chief Justice Qazi Faisal said that he has the rights under 184.3 of the Constitution of 1973,
07:14which includes the public interest and human rights.
07:19He had all the powers, including the Master of Rooster.
07:29When this practice and procedure came, he propagated it and took credit for it.
07:41Now, why did you have to bring an ordinance all of a sudden?
07:49This is the basic bone of contention.
07:53The fight has started.
07:55The government's ordinance has started.
07:57Yes, Article 89.
07:59The government had said that the like-minded judges of Mr. Faiz Issa will constitute the bench.
08:07Our cases will be filed there.
08:10Unfortunately, Justice Muneeb and Mr. Mansoor were included.
08:16The minority view of the Chief Justice was lost.
08:19The first practice procedure was that the Chief Justice and two senior judges were included.
08:23Yes, two senior judges.
08:24This was the practice procedure.
08:25When the ordinance came, they were given the option of two senior judges and one of their own.
08:29Yes, one of their own.
08:30Where does this happen?
08:31We have objections to this.
08:33If this was so important, then you should have brought a bill and passed it in Parliament.
08:48The rules of Article 191 should have been made by the Supreme Court.
08:53This right has been delegated to them by virtue of the Constitution.
08:57But when you have given the discretion, how can you remove a senior judge and insert a junior judge?
09:07I think this is a discretion.
09:11Because of which this controversy is in the Supreme Court.
09:15But this is a lockdown land.
09:16The government had the authority to issue the ordinance.
09:18When the law came, then...
09:20Qazi Sahib used to say that the Ordinance Factory should be shut down.
09:24This is a bad law.
09:25Today, on the arrival of the same ordinance, you are making a notification.
09:30This can't be a heart and soul in one breath.
09:32When the government has given a law to Qazi Sahib, or the Parliament has the authority,
09:36or the President has the authority, then he is bound to follow that.
09:39Of course, the ordinance has arrived.
09:41But first of all, you have to see that according to Article 89, when there is an emergency...
09:47There is no emergency.
09:48No, no, not this.
09:50This is only in the practice and procedure.
09:53Fixing cases was the only emergency.
09:55There are thousands of other problems and problems in the country.
09:58If you think that we are doing this for the welfare of the general public, then it is hopeless legislation.
10:04There are a lot of laws that have been redundant for 100-150 years.
10:09You can upgrade them.
10:11You can update them.
10:12You can bring a limitation law.
10:14You can bring judicial reform in the district court, in the high courts.
10:18There are a lot of problems.
10:20Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad, who is in front of you, is making a constitutional court.
10:24What is more important than this?
10:26I will respond to Hassan.
10:27No, no, I will say that Mr. Naqeeb, Mr. Chaudhary and Mr. Hassan, you are with us.
10:32The whole program will be with us.
10:34Ask them questions quickly so that everyone gets a chance.
10:38Hassan, first to your side.
10:39Look, Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad is my brother.
10:42We have a very good relationship and respect.
10:44But I disagree with everything he says.
10:46Basically, when the law of practice and procedure was made, there was a flaw in the law.
10:51When the law says that you have to fix the review or appeal within 14 days,
10:59the judges said that our holidays have come.
11:01And those holidays are under new rules.
11:04But when the law is saying, I think the law is superior.
11:08Then Justice Muneeb Akhtar will be on leave for about a month.
11:13So there was such a deadlock.
11:17The operations, the function of the Supreme Court.
11:20So keeping that in mind, the government has amended it.
11:25The first thing was to tell them.
11:27So my second question to you is that you are saying that judicial reforms should be done.
11:31Many people say that judicial reforms should be done and a constitutional court should be made.
11:35But after the retirement of Chief Justice Qazi Faisal,
11:38that is, instead of October, you would have done it in November.
11:41So are people allergic to Chief Justice Qazi Faisal?
11:44Please tell me one decision of the state that they have rewritten the constitution.
11:49As we are discussing this decision on 63A.
11:52Tell me one decision of Chief Justice Qazi Faisal.
11:54I will tell you the decision now.
11:57But you yourself said that there is a flaw in this ordinance.
12:04Legal flaw.
12:06Now when you are bringing the whole constitution by virtue of judicial reform,
12:13your ordinance, your act could not run for a year.
12:18So where you are going to change the whole constitution,
12:22then you will need a lot of homework.
12:25The second thing is that the current situation on this ordinance is that
12:31earlier there were two seniors and Chief Justice,
12:35and if one of them is not available, then the next one will be added.
12:38Now you will be given a discretion to do this.
12:42But after that, the law is silent again.
12:44You brought an ordinance on this again.
12:46Now the next thing.
12:47You talked about rewriting.
12:49I think that there is no rewriting in the judgment of July 12.
12:53The reason for that is the 1958 PLD Supreme Court Dosu case.
12:57Justice Munir's judgment was given.
13:02The Supreme Court of Pakistan, PLD, Supreme Court 1972.
13:07In the Asma Jilani case, they said that if the foundation is illegal,
13:10the superstructure is illegal.
13:12I am asking you.
13:13Tell me one decision.
13:14I am asking you.
13:15Tell me one decision, Qazi Faisal.
13:16Listen to me.
13:17Where the decision of the Election Commission and the Peshawar High Court,
13:20both were terminated.
13:22Fundamentally, the penalty status was lost.
13:24In that, you say that they have done the rewriting.
13:27Mr. Faisal.
13:29Mr. Faisal.
13:30Yes.
13:31Tell me one judgment of Chief Justice Qazi Faisal.
13:34In which he has disturbed the constitutional articles.
13:39In the name of clarification, tell me one decision.
13:41I will tell you right now.
13:43By the way, Mr. Azad will also comment on it.
13:45But let's engage Mr. Faisal.
13:46Recently, the decision of the Supreme Court came.
13:49In which, you know, the mark was taken back.
13:51After that, the majority judgment.
13:53Okay, let's talk about them.
13:54No one has done the rewriting.
13:55What to talk about?
13:56You also talk.
13:57Okay, listen.
13:58Listen.
13:59It is your opinion.
14:00There is also an opinion on 63A that the constitution has been rewritten.
14:03But some people have an opinion that it has not been done.
14:05Anyway, Mr. Chaudhary, you can ask the question.
14:07After that, Mr. Nagi.
14:09Mr. Chaudhary.
14:10No, the question is that which emergency is it?
14:13Which sky is falling?
14:15That it has never come in the court.
14:18Sometimes in the audience.
14:20Mr. Chaudhary.
14:21Our respected president has come.
14:23Tell me this.
14:24The people related to the field of law.
14:27Lawyer.
14:28Bar and Wedge.
14:30Will they keep watching the show quietly?
14:34Mr. Chaudhary.
14:35There is absolutely no silent show.
14:38Inshallah, we are with the law and the rule of law.
14:41And you will see our protest in Islamabad in two or three days.
14:46You will also see our convention.
14:48Which is being done on judicial reform with some principles.
14:52They are going to flood a unified constitution.
14:55All the changes they are bringing in it.
14:57Like Article 184.3.
14:59Article 189.
15:01Article 190.
15:02Article 9.
15:03Article 8.
15:04Ahead of all that.
15:06Article 199.
15:07Those who are going to curtail the rate jurisdiction.
15:10They are introducing a new constitution.
15:13Instead of calling it judicial reform.
15:15You can call it Constitution 2024.
15:18We are not silent at all.
15:20We are raising our voice.
15:22But you will see, Mr. Chaudhary.
15:24In Islamabad.
15:25We will also protest.
15:27We will also take out rallies.
15:28We will also call a convention.
15:29We will also run a movement.
15:30And with this country.
15:32The unified mirror.
15:33The symbol of the federation.
15:35Which is being opposed by a whole province.
15:37A big political party.
15:39Bar associations.
15:40Bar council is opposing it.
15:42We will defend it.
15:43We have written a letter.
15:45350-400.
15:46In Vuklan.
15:47I am on the third place.
15:49And many of them.
15:50Sadoor Sindh High Court.
15:51Lahore High Court.
15:52Balochistan High Court.
15:53There is a convention in KP.
15:55On Saturday.
15:56We are also holding a convention.
15:57We are not silent.
15:58The people are not silent.
16:00Inshallah.
16:01We will put our full support.
16:04Let me clarify one thing.
16:06This 63A case.
16:08Do you know whose review has been filed?
16:10Supreme Court Bar Association.
16:12Do you know whose request is from the Constitutional Court?
16:14Pakistan Bar Council.
16:15These are 300.
16:16They are opposing 2 lakh Vuklan.
16:17No.
16:182 lakh Vuklan.
16:19Listen to me.
16:20This is the truth.
16:21No.
16:22Listen to me.
16:23This is not necessary.
16:24We will include Mr. Nagri.
16:25Then we will come to you.
16:26Mr. Azad is with us.
16:27Mr. Nagri.
16:28One thing is that.
16:29You can ask a question.
16:30Any comment.
16:31We have discussed it.
16:32You can comment on it.
16:33You can also ask questions to Mr. Azad.
16:34I want to ask a very free question to Mr. Azad.
16:35Sure.
16:36In Pakistan.
16:38It will be 7 o'clock in the evening.
16:39And it is October 1st.
16:40Until now.
16:41According to the law.
16:42According to the laws that have come.
16:43Qadi Faiz Isa Sahib.
16:44Retired on October 25th.
16:45It is like this.
16:46Yes.
16:47It is like this.
16:48Yes.
16:49Look.
16:50Now.
16:51Let's not talk about absence.
16:52Let's not talk about thoughts.
16:53Let's not talk about the statements.
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