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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15First, I will discuss today's main developments and then I will share a big news with you.
00:20In the Tosha Khana 2 case, the decision was to be heard by the Session Judge.
00:25But the Judge did not come for the request of acquittal, so that decision could not be made.
00:35And in the High Court bail, the Prosecutor did not come, so that decision could not be made.
00:43So, both the cases are non-present.
00:45But the Judge's non-presence is more, because the Special Judge Central had secured the decision,
00:52on which Mr. Khan's acquittal was decided.
00:55He was not so surprised and expected, but whatever the reason, that could not be done today.
01:01But another controversy is going on now.
01:04Today, the Supreme Court has formed a bench for the I&E Bench cases.
01:08The first bench of 6 judges has been formed.
01:11It will be held on 14th.
01:13And this is the first time, that we do not know which cases will be held and which will not be held.
01:17But there will be an interesting development.
01:19Yesterday, a case was going on, in which Justice Ayesha Malik gave an observation.
01:23And she said that this practice and procedure committee will decide,
01:29which case will go to the I&E Benches and which case will go to the other side of the Supreme Court.
01:35According to the amendment that has come,
01:38the argument of the other side is that all these decisions will be made by the I&E judges.
01:43And you know that Justice Aminuddin Khan is the head of the I&E Benches.
01:46So, now we have to see whether the committee led by Justice Yahya will decide,
01:51or Justice Aminuddin will decide.
01:53And one more question arises, that if a case is going to the other side,
01:57and the I&E Benches decide, can they bring that case to themselves or not?
02:03But there is one more interesting thing.
02:05In the press release that came out today of the Supreme Court,
02:09there is one sentence that is very interesting.
02:11They said that the committee has decided,
02:15and I am talking about the Constitutional Benches,
02:17that priorities shall be accorded to the oldest cases.
02:21That is, the cases that have been included earlier, the old ones,
02:24will be included first in the Constitutional Benches,
02:27and will come under the same sending order, and then the process will continue.
02:32So, the latest cases, like the I&E challenge,
02:36where there are reserve seats and everything,
02:38which are currently very important for PTI and opposition,
02:42so does this mean that they themselves have been put on the back burner,
02:45that when they reach the Benches tomorrow,
02:49their number will not be included?
02:50So, is this which has been prioritized and resolved,
02:54is this also a method to this madness?
02:56These are all things.
02:57But the news that I want to share with you,
03:00let me first introduce my guest.
03:02In the first part of the program, we will join Senator Barista Ali Zafar.
03:05He is also the parliamentary leader of the PTI Senate.
03:08And Kamran Mursa is also a senior lawyer of the JUI.
03:12And in all these amendments, he was leading them from the JUI.
03:17He is with us, so we will also understand some legal points from him.
03:20I am sharing this news, and it is a very important news,
03:23that at the highest levels of power corridors,
03:26one thing has been decided.
03:28Even if the government does not openly say,
03:30does not believe and says,
03:32there is no need to worry,
03:33there will not be a Trump-Shum call,
03:34there will not be any White House involved,
03:35there will not be any, like in the case of Mr. Mian,
03:38the leaders of the Saudis, UAE and Qatar were involved.
03:42This time, there will be no one, but there is preparation.
03:44And according to me,
03:46this has almost fine-tuned their strategy,
03:50that if there is pressure,
03:52and if the matter comes,
03:53then what will be the counter-proposal?
03:55And that counter-proposal,
03:56which has been finalized in this way,
03:58is that if there is a lot of pressure,
04:00then it will be said that,
04:02we will let Mr. Khan go,
04:04but if he leaves Adyala,
04:06then neither will he go to Zaman Park,
04:08nor will he go to Banigara,
04:11he will then go abroad.
04:13And why is this?
04:14Because people know that
04:16there is a lot of popular support for him abroad,
04:18and it will also be well-funded.
04:20Because this is the second hope of the government,
04:23that Imran Khan will not agree to this,
04:25and he will not go abroad at any cost,
04:27and when he himself will squash this deal,
04:30then his accusation,
04:32which is our civil-military relationship,
04:34and leadership,
04:36will not come on this.
04:38So one hope is that there will be no intervention.
04:41The second hope is that
04:42the counter-proposal,
04:44will be rejected by Imran Khan himself,
04:46then the burden on us will be removed.
04:48Now let's see what happens next.
04:50So this was the news.
04:52Now we come to Barista Ali Zafar.
04:54Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:56Barista Saheb, first tell us,
04:58Ali, we are starting with you,
05:00because you are on the motorway,
05:02so I don't want anything to go wrong.
05:05Justice Ayesha Malik,
05:07while listening to the case yesterday,
05:09said that the Practice and Procedure Committee
05:11will decide which case
05:13will go to the Constitutional Benches.
05:15I was also talking to Rana Sanalo,
05:18and he said that
05:20Justice Aminuddin's bench will decide,
05:23and he will be the ultimate authority.
05:26So now there is a confusion,
05:28as to which Supreme Court will decide,
05:31because the 14th bench has been formed,
05:33and there are no cases yet,
05:35and this is the first time we are seeing this.
05:37Ultimately, whose decision is this?
05:40Look, it will happen,
05:42Mr. Malik,
05:44you assume,
05:46I will give you an example,
05:48that a case has come,
05:50and that case has been fixed
05:52in the Constitutional Benches,
05:54and the one who will fix it in the Constitutional Benches,
05:58will be the same Constitutional Committee,
06:01which is being presided over
06:03by the head of the Constitutional Benches,
06:06Mr. Aminuddin,
06:08he will fix the Constitutional Benches.
06:13Similarly, the other cases,
06:15will be fixed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
06:19through the committee,
06:21which are non-constitutional cases,
06:24in front of the normal Supreme Court Benches.
06:27But it will happen,
06:29that when the case will be fixed in front of the bench,
06:32then the advocate,
06:34if he thinks that this case should not be in the Constitutional Benches,
06:38this case should be in the normal bench of the Supreme Court,
06:42or he thinks that this case should not be in the normal bench of the Supreme Court,
06:47this case should be in the Constitutional Benches of the Supreme Court,
06:51then a preliminary argument,
06:54that is, a prima facie,
06:56first instance argument,
06:58will be made in front of those benches,
07:02that no, you cannot do this,
07:04this should go to the Constitutional Benches.
07:07Then that bench has to decide,
07:09that this case which is in front of them,
07:12is it a case of the Constitutional Benches,
07:14or is it a case of the normal Supreme Court Benches.
07:18And this argument will be in almost every case,
07:22in some way or the other,
07:24until the decision of this thing will be made by the jurisprudence,
07:28that what are the criteria to go to the Constitutional Benches,
07:32and what are the criteria to go to the normal Benches.
07:37This can only be decided by the committee,
07:40this eventually, finally,
07:42the final decision has to be made by the bench,
07:45in front of which this case has to come.
07:47And this argument will be discussed in every case,
07:50I have still got 3-4 cases,
07:52in which we are thinking about this decision,
07:55that if this goes in front of the Constitutional Benches,
07:59then should it go,
08:01in front of the normal Benches,
08:03what should we discuss,
08:05or what should we not discuss.
08:07So this, you will see in the next 6 months,
08:10there will be a lot of confusion,
08:12and that confusion will mean that,
08:15instead of delay,
08:17the cases which were talking about delay,
08:19instead of being in a hurry,
08:21those cases will be delayed.
08:23Because first the decision will be made,
08:25that which bench has the authority to listen to this case.
08:29And this case to case will be decided.
08:31Mr. Kamran, tell me one thing,
08:33Mr. Kamran, can you hear me?
08:38I think you should contact Mr. Kamran,
08:40I think he is on the phone,
08:42but you should check.
08:43Ali, tell me one more thing,
08:45for example, there is a lot of cases,
08:47there are 56,000-60,000 cases,
08:51there is a file on it,
08:53will the judges,
08:55Justice Saminuddin and his 7 judges,
08:58will they first separate the files from the pile,
09:01that these cases are of the constitutional benches,
09:05first the backlog that is there,
09:08who will shift from that,
09:10the first stage is that, right?
09:14See, as far as it is related,
09:16the first stage,
09:18where it has to be fixed,
09:20in which bench it has to be fixed,
09:22whether it has to be fixed in the constitutional bench,
09:24or in the common bench,
09:26the decision of this thing,
09:28the decision of the constitutional cases,
09:30will be made by the presiding officer of the constitutional court,
09:35and the normal cases,
09:39which have to be fixed in front of which bench,
09:41will be decided by our normal committee,
09:47through the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
09:51Now, what will happen, as I said,
09:53when those committees will decide,
09:55or the presiding officer will decide,
09:57the first bulk,
09:59those cases will be fixed in front of the bench,
10:02then there will be a debate in front of that bench.
10:05So, this confusion will be there on every case,
10:08then there will be a debate on every case,
10:10then the backlog will increase,
10:13it will not decrease.
10:15Absolutely.
10:16Sir, this is what I said in my speech in the Senate,
10:20that this will happen now,
10:23unless the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
10:25and the presiding officer, Mr. Meenuddin,
10:27sit together and decide on a modus operandi,
10:33a scheme,
10:35So, you do not agree with the observation of Justice Ayesha,
10:39where she said that the practice and procedure,
10:41which is reported,
10:43that the practice and procedure committee,
10:45will decide which case goes to the constitutional bench,
10:49then that is not a correct assessment.
10:51Look, Justice Ayesha's point is also correct,
10:56that she has to decide on her jurisdiction,
10:59and the presiding officer has to decide on his jurisdiction,
11:02but eventually,
11:04which court will listen to the decision,
11:08that has to be done by the bench,
11:10in which the case will be fixed,
11:13because the decision will be made in front of that bench.
11:15Okay, quickly,
11:16then Kamran sir has also connected,
11:18one more question, tell me,
11:20I was talking to Mr. Rana Sinhaullah,
11:24he said that in the meetings,
11:26publicly, the PTI leadership has said that,
11:29this call will be given by Mr. Imran Khan,
11:32this grand finale call of yours,
11:34the protest call and everything,
11:36and he will approve all these things,
11:38and he will tell,
11:40and after that the party will follow his instructions.
11:43He said very categorically that,
11:45now, if an incident happens,
11:48then the case will be filed against Imran Khan,
11:51because his own party is also saying,
11:53in the meetings and publicly,
11:55that this whole thing,
11:58and this strategy,
12:00and dates and everything,
12:02all these decisions will be made by Imran Khan,
12:05and this is different from May 9th,
12:07because he was inside at that time,
12:09and he said that it happened from behind,
12:11so I am not responsible,
12:12whatever happened,
12:13first the PTI says that we didn't do it,
12:15but whatever happened,
12:16you cannot blame them,
12:17here they are saying that,
12:18they have to give all the direction,
12:20this is such a serious threat,
12:22that God forbid,
12:24if a big incident happens,
12:26if a person dies,
12:27if something happens,
12:28then the government will not put the case
12:30directly against Imran Khan,
12:31very legitimately.
12:34See, the government,
12:35in my opinion,
12:37the cases are false,
12:38true,
12:39baseless,
12:41no one can stop them from filing the cases,
12:44they are filing the cases,
12:46and their strategy is that,
12:47we get out of a case,
12:49No, but legally,
12:50tell me legally,
12:51how much weight is there in this,
12:53that this is their decision,
12:55and they are giving the call,
12:57and they are giving the call for the same strategy,
12:59tell me legally,
13:00how dangerous can it be?
13:01See,
13:02first I will give you a political answer,
13:04as far as politics is concerned,
13:06the reality is that,
13:08our leadership,
13:10they do not have the clarity,
13:13they do not have the clarity,
13:14as to how to protest,
13:16and the right to protest,
13:18how,
13:19what kind of protest,
13:21and where to protest,
13:23so all those decisions,
13:25will ultimately be made through consultation,
13:27and the ultimate decision,
13:28will be made by Imran Khan,
13:30but,
13:31but against that decision,
13:33every political party has the right to protest,
13:37so in my opinion,
13:39you cannot make a case against an individual,
13:42for any kind of protest,
13:44yes,
13:45if you want to make a false case,
13:47then you have to,
13:48Alright,
13:49I have one more question to ask you,
13:51before Mr. Kamran comes in,
13:53Mr. Kamran,
13:54tell me,
13:55I was talking to him as well,
13:57Mr. Baiswali Zafar was saying,
13:59that,
14:00if there is a debate on every case,
14:03whether it is legal or not,
14:05you got the legal benches approved,
14:08you did not let the Constitutional Court be made,
14:10but you voted for the Constitutional Benches,
14:14so,
14:15why is there no clarity,
14:17then in every case,
14:18two cases will be made,
14:22See,
14:23there can be two or three reasons for this,
14:26first,
14:27you should understand it this way,
14:29that we did not need this,
14:31it was the Government's decision,
14:33and,
14:34secondly,
14:35you should also take it this way,
14:37that the Government,
14:39was going to cause a lot of damage,
14:42maybe we tried to save that damage,
14:45and we saved as much as we could,
14:48Now,
14:49if you say that without us,
14:51the votes were not complete,
14:52then it is not like that,
14:53the votes were also completed with them,
14:55so,
14:56as much as we could save,
14:57we saved,
14:58and even in the last moment,
15:00they had three drafts,
15:01and in the three drafts,
15:03now,
15:04because our own JUI,
15:06we also had a JUI related agenda,
15:09that we could have it approved,
15:11in all the cases,
15:13and,
15:14there were some other things,
15:16in which we were also in trouble,
15:18so,
15:19all this,
15:20happened in that,
15:21You are saying,
15:22that it was a tactical compromise,
15:24but,
15:25do you also think,
15:26that this backlog,
15:27instead of making the basis,
15:29that we have to take out the cases,
15:31and finish them,
15:32this backlog,
15:33in your opinion,
15:34will increase,
15:35or will decrease,
15:36these two Supreme Courts,
15:37which have been practically formed?
15:39I will answer this tactical compromise,
15:42first,
15:43then I will answer the second thing,
15:45see,
15:46for five weeks,
15:47we have been hanging on this matter,
15:49neither the movement of Vukla,
15:51nor the movement of any party,
15:53nor any help from anyone else,
15:55keep this in mind,
15:57and,
15:58all this,
15:59that was happening,
16:01all this,
16:02one,
16:03one,
16:04one,
16:05was moving around the party,
16:07rest,
16:08this will increase the backlog,
16:10the backlog will not decrease,
16:12this question will arise in every case,
16:14that this will go to the Constitutional Bench,
16:16we are two lawyers,
16:17me and Ali Zafar,
16:18so,
16:19if there is a problem in my case,
16:21then I will say,
16:22no,
16:23this case,
16:24will go to the Constitutional Bench.
16:26Ok,
16:27tell me one thing,
16:28both of you,
16:29both of you,
16:30are the big leaders of your parties,
16:32so,
16:33you have the same question,
16:34there were so many rumours,
16:35that Vukla movement will run,
16:36Adliya will be this,
16:37we will get it released,
16:39neither the lawyers of JUI,
16:41nor the lawyers of PTI,
16:43all are being presented in the same courts,
16:45all that was a drama,
16:46where did that Vukla movement go,
16:48which had to get Adliya released?
16:50No,
16:51Malik bhai,
16:52the thing is,
16:53what was the need for the JUI to come out,
16:55whatever we had to do,
16:56we did it,
16:57even now,
16:58the President has come,
16:59he is covering you,
17:00JUI,
17:01ok,
17:02even now,
17:03we have won the elections,
17:04and are sitting in the Supreme Court,
17:06so,
17:07what was the need for us to come out,
17:09whatever they were saying,
17:12that this will happen,
17:13that will happen,
17:14the doomsday will come,
17:15this was from the other side,
17:17all the bitterness that has been reduced,
17:20we have reduced it.
17:21Ok,
17:22let's ask him,
17:23I will ask him quickly,
17:24quickly,
17:252-3,
17:26we have won the elections,
17:27let's ask Ali Zafar,
17:28tell us,
17:29where did Ali Zafar go,
17:30where did your Vukla revolution go,
17:32which was supposed to happen all over the world,
17:34everyone has become chill.com,
17:36see,
17:37as far as Vukla is concerned,
17:39a very large number of Vukla,
17:44still believe that we have to make a movement in this,
17:49and we have to change this,
17:51but the reality is,
17:53and we should talk about the reality,
17:56the reality is that,
17:57at this time,
17:59there is a divide in Vukla as well,
18:02and this movement can only run,
18:05when there is a united front from Vukla,
18:09at this time,
18:10a regular amendment has come,
18:12and that regular amendment,
18:15has come according to the regular process,
18:18rest,
18:19whatever you say,
18:20that there are problems in it,
18:23there was a mistake,
18:24there should not have been an amendment,
18:26and people were forced to vote,
18:30that is the reality,
18:32but despite that,
18:34a regular amendment has come,
18:36and it is being implemented,
18:38and the court is accepting it,
18:40and the court is following it.
18:42So, the revolution of lawyers is not coming yet,
18:44I have understood this,
18:46but tell me one thing,
18:47you have a political position,
18:49you are the parliamentary leader of PTI as well,
18:51I had shared a news in the beginning,
18:53that in the worst case scenario,
18:55the government has decided,
18:57to a large extent,
18:58that if there is pressure,
19:00whether it comes directly from Washington,
19:02or Riyadh,
19:03or Abu Dhabi,
19:04or Doha,
19:05indirectly as well,
19:07then a counter deal can be offered,
19:09that Mr. Khan should go out for some time,
19:12and whatever,
19:13but on the hope,
19:14that he will not agree,
19:16and he will shoot it down himself,
19:18what will be your advice to Mr. Khan,
19:20if such a development happens,
19:22what will you advise,
19:23because I was talking to some of your friends,
19:25senior leaders,
19:26they said,
19:27we will advise,
19:28the first thing is,
19:29get out of jail,
19:30politics will also happen,
19:31when you get out of jail,
19:32so get out somehow,
19:33and do politics,
19:34and we will see later,
19:36what will be your advice,
19:37should he take something like this,
19:39or not?
19:40Mr. Malik,
19:41this is something,
19:42that has been discussed many times,
19:44and not just now,
19:46you are sharing today's news,
19:49but I have had many discussions on this,
19:52and Mr. Imran Khan has said very categorically,
19:56and I repeat this on your program,
20:02he has said very categorically,
20:04that it is not possible,
20:06that I leave Pakistan,
20:08even if they keep me for 1000 years,
20:10I will not be a part of any such deal,
20:13yes,
20:14if,
20:15for example,
20:16it happens,
20:17that you say,
20:19that we will have elections in 6 months,
20:22and you are doing your campaign,
20:24and we will have new elections,
20:26under the new chief election commission,
20:28and a new parliament should come,
20:30so that,
20:31in the early elections,
20:32what did Mr. Khan say,
20:33if there is a deal on the topic of early elections,
20:35then how long will they be ready to give,
20:38the government says,
20:394 years are left,
20:40let's leave 2 years,
20:41you leave 2 years,
20:42can this be discussed in a 2 year framework?
20:46I think,
20:47I think,
20:48this has never been discussed,
20:50but,
20:51I have my own personal opinion,
20:54and my personal opinion is,
20:56that if this happens,
20:57then this is a possibility,
20:59that we should all work on,
21:01because,
21:02whatever happened in the past,
21:04you should ignore that,
21:06and you should say,
21:07that the elections were wrong,
21:08they were not,
21:09what they were,
21:10all those things,
21:11Mr. Khan is open on this,
21:12he is open on this,
21:13I am open on this,
21:16I think it should happen,
21:19but,
21:20I don't find it difficult.
21:22Okay sir,
21:23thank you very much,
21:24we have run out of time,
21:25two things are very interesting,
21:26he said,
21:27time,
21:28some people,
21:29some people,
21:30we can talk about that,
21:31Mr. Khan is not ready to go,
21:32this is a very good news for the government,
21:34they are preparing a counter deal,
21:35in the hope that,
21:36Mr. Khan will not agree,
21:38but,
21:39one thing is clear,
21:40the consensus is,
21:41that there will be more delay on the cases,
21:44and this will be a very big confusion,
21:46in the coming days in the Supreme Court,
21:48because,
21:49those who have amended the law,
21:50but,
21:51these things should have been cleared,
21:52in fine print,
21:53now let's take a break,
21:54after the break,
21:55we will come and say,
21:56Mr. Rana Sinhaullah,
21:57who is giving a very sharp statement,
21:59is he trying to trap the PTI,
22:01he is forcing them to come,
22:02to make a demonstration,
22:03and there should be a clash,
22:04with the establishment,
22:05with the government,
22:06let's ask them,
22:07where are they standing,
22:08after this break.
22:15Welcome back to the show,
22:16in this segment,
22:17we will talk to Mr. Rana Sinhaullah,
22:19but before talking to him,
22:20I want you to listen,
22:21that in the last one or two days,
22:23he has given very harsh statements,
22:25to the PTI,
22:26on the protests,
22:27and on the demonstrations,
22:28listen to what he said,
22:30Now,
22:31again,
22:32the kind of call,
22:33that Mr. Imran Khan is giving,
22:35as a result of this,
22:36the law enforcing agencies,
22:39will get an open freedom,
22:41to crack down on them,
22:43after that,
22:44they will cry,
22:45the violence,
22:46that is being perpetrated,
22:47by the state,
22:48cannot be perpetrated,
22:49by any Jamaat,
22:50if a person,
22:51before coming,
22:52says that,
22:53I am coming to you,
22:54with a shroud,
22:55then will you,
22:56stand with flowers,
22:57for him,
22:58when you are coming,
22:59to kill you,
23:00before you leave the house,
23:01then who will let you,
23:02leave the house,
23:03against them,
23:04it will be very harsh,
23:05they will have to face,
23:06such administrative issues,
23:09which they do not tolerate,
23:12if you leave,
23:13with a shroud,
23:14then whatever,
23:15behavior you will have,
23:16with them,
23:17will be justified,
23:18if you want to talk,
23:19to the establishment,
23:20then do you have to,
23:21make an announcement,
23:22the establishment,
23:23has never made an announcement,
23:24to talk to anyone,
23:25that conversation,
23:26is of some other kind,
23:27and why do you,
23:28want to do that,
23:29if the establishment,
23:30wants to talk,
23:31then they have to,
23:32take permission from us,
23:33yes,
23:34Mr. Rana,
23:35Salam,
23:36yes,
23:37Salam,
23:38I have just heard,
23:39a few of your statements,
23:40you have said,
23:41you have done a lot,
23:42one thought,
23:43is that,
23:44you are trying to,
23:45trick them,
23:46that you are,
23:47making them,
23:48think,
23:49that even if,
23:50they don't want to,
23:51then they should,
23:52come to the protest,
23:53are you trying to,
23:54trick the PTI,
23:55that if someone,
23:56is changing their mind,
23:57then just because of you,
23:58they should come,
23:59that no,
24:00Mr. Rana,
24:01has brought them,
24:02to the protest,
24:03no,
24:04Mr. Malik,
24:05I am sympathizing,
24:06with them,
24:07and I,
24:08am trying to,
24:09say that,
24:10the kind of,
24:11announcements,
24:12that the PTI,
24:13is making,
24:14from those announcements,
24:15against them,
24:16there will be,
24:17an administrative,
24:18matter,
24:19in that,
24:20there will be,
24:21a strictness,
24:22in that,
24:23or,
24:24in that,
24:25this kind of,
24:26consideration,
24:27will prevail,
24:28if they,
24:29have decided,
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25:12that they,
25:13have decided,
25:14that they,
25:15have decided,
25:16that they,
25:17have decided.
25:19Part belonged to the
25:33Pakistan
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25:49that they can crack down on you completely.
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30:14Ab我覺得
30:38There is no doubt about it. He is responsible for this.
30:45It is happening on his orders. It is happening for his benefit.
30:50And before 9th May, you tell me, how many times has Imran Khan attacked the courts?
30:57By gathering people.
31:00How many times has he attacked the police and law enforcement agencies in Zaman Park?
31:08How many times has he said that if I am arrested, this red line will cross and the answer will be given in this way?
31:20These are all things that he himself said.
31:27Imran Khan has worked for 1.5 years to get the 9th May incident done.
31:37So, what we are hearing now, Mr. Rana, on 16th November, are the individual crimes being imposed on Imran Khan on 9th May?
31:52This is the court's decision. They have given the date.
31:57And if the court proceeds that day and does not give the date, then the individual crimes will be imposed.
32:03I don't understand one thing. On one hand, you say that they are doing the same on 9th May.
32:08On the other hand, you say that if they come, then there will be a complete clash and they will have to bear it.
32:14Along with that, you and Khawaja Asif are the most senior people.
32:19You are not a first-time minister or a minister from a backbencher.
32:23You are the highest command of the PMLN.
32:27Along with that, you say that they are compromised.
32:31With whom are they compromised? Who has done it?
32:34According to your leadership, are they compromised with the army?
32:42And if they are compromised, and if this is happening with Imran Khan's will,
32:49then you take all their leadership in custody.
32:54You are not letting them get away with it. I don't understand how they are compromised.
32:59Mr. Malik, you are a very wise man. Try to understand a little.
33:08The level of their compromise is not so high.
33:12That you take it to the top leadership of the army or the government.
33:19You see what is the level of their compromise.
33:23Whenever we were in opposition, it was the same way.
33:29If they are now, then it is still the same way.
33:32When you have to hold a rally in a city or a place,
33:37the commissioner, deputy commissioner, IG, DIG contact you.
33:45They tell you where you have to hold the rally, where you have to come from,
33:52where you have to go, what you have to do.
33:54And in that matter, they facilitate you to some extent.
34:00And they also limit you a little.
34:05That don't do this, do this, don't do this, do this.
34:08Now look, they made a protest program in Islamabad.
34:15So the local administration contacted them and said,
34:20look, there are such cases in the Supreme Court tomorrow.
34:24Religious communities are also coming there.
34:27If you also come, then due to your coming, if such a scene is created,
34:32if an incident occurs, then all the responsibility will come to you.
34:36So we sympathize with you and say that you take your rally ahead.
34:41They also understood this.
34:43As a result of that compromise, they went to Imran Khan.
34:48With the permission of Imran Khan, they extended the date of that rally
34:54to about 7-10 days.
34:57Now let's come to 5th October.
34:59This was not a compromise.
35:01You are giving the impression that it was a rally.
35:06No, it was not a rally.
35:09Then why didn't they do it on that day?
35:11They should have done it on that day.
35:13The local administration did it on that day.
35:15Now let's come to 5th October.
35:19As per my information, Ali Mir Gandapur said,
35:24this is my helplessness.
35:26Let me go to D-Chowk at any cost.
35:30I will not sit there and protest.
35:33I will come from there to KPK House and from there I will come back.
35:37So this was facilitated.
35:42Who did they say?
35:44The government, the district administration or the army?
35:47The army did not come from there.
35:52And the government did not come from there.
35:55The local administration that was stopping them,
35:59they had gone with a rally a day before.
36:03And the police, the F.C. and other people were stopping them.
36:10They also had senior leadership there.
36:14So they said, let us touch D-Chowk.
36:19This is our myth.
36:21After that we will leave Patli Gali.
36:24So they left.
36:26So this is the level of their compromise.
36:33For the level you are talking about,
36:37I and Khawaja, in fact the Prime Minister,
36:41on the floor of the house,
36:43asked them to come and sit and talk.
36:47There will be discussions and dialogues
36:50in between political leadership and political parties.
36:54They are not sitting with us in the parliamentary party for the 26th amendment.
36:59With the People's Party, with the JJUI.
37:04So the matter is that
37:07they do not have anything to do with political parties
37:13or political leadership.
37:15They are running things in a strange and strange way.
37:21And Allah knows better what their point of view is.
37:27What is their purpose.
37:30It is time for a short break.
37:32After the break, we will ask Mr. Rana,
37:34who will ultimately decide
37:37which case will go to the Saini Bench
37:39and which case will go to the normal benches.
37:42Will it be Justice Yahya Afridi
37:44or Justice Ameenuddin?
37:46We will ask Mr. Rana after the break.
37:53Welcome back.
37:54One more important thing.
37:56You are a law minister and a lawyer yourself.
37:58I would like to ask you something else.
38:00You have become the Judicial Constitutional Benches.
38:04On the 14th, the first sitting has also come.
38:08And you have become a bench.
38:09We do not know the cases yet.
38:10But Justice Ayesha Malik,
38:12yesterday while listening to a case,
38:14it was tax related,
38:15she commented that
38:17this is a practice and procedure committee.
38:19It will decide which cases
38:21will go to the Judicial Benches,
38:23to the Constitutional Benches.
38:25Who will decide this?
38:28Will it be Mr. Afridi's committee
38:30or Justice Ameenuddin's committee?
38:33And if a case goes to the Procedure and Practice Committee
38:38and is not sent to the Constitutional Benches,
38:41can the Constitutional Benches
38:43bring the case to them?
38:47Yes.
38:48In the 26th,
38:50the articles of the Constitution
38:53have been clearly highlighted.
38:56Article 184, Article 3,
39:00and Article 199.
39:02Similarly, there are a few more articles.
39:04All the petitions filed under them
39:07will go to the Constitutional Benches.
39:09Secondly,
39:10if there is a problem at any place,
39:12the Constitutional Benches,
39:15the committee of the three senior members of that bench,
39:20will decide whether their jurisdiction is valid.
39:23If it is valid,
39:24the case will go to them.
39:26If it is not valid,
39:28the case will go to the other side.
39:31So, the Practice and Procedure Committee
39:33will not decide?
39:34Chief Justice,
39:35Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah,
39:37and Justice Muneeb's committee
39:39will not decide?
39:40Both the committees are present
39:43in the Practice and Procedure Act.
39:46And the head of the Constitutional Benches
39:52is also a member of the other committee.
39:56He is on both sides.
39:58But there is a majority.
40:00Mr. Rana,
40:01in the Procedure and Practice,
40:03there is a majority vote.
40:05If two people vote for one side
40:07and Ameenuddin Khan's viewpoint is on the other side,
40:11then his rule is that
40:12the majority vote will be carried there.
40:14That is to make a bench.
40:17The committee does not have the authority
40:19to make such a decision.
40:21In that case,
40:22their final decision will be theirs.
40:25So, the final decision regarding the Constitution
40:30will be made by the Constitutional Benches?
40:33The Benches have not started yet
40:35and we can see a conflict.
40:37Who will resolve this?
40:39After Justice Ayesha's statement,
40:41there is a lot of discussion going on.
40:44How will this be resolved?
40:46It seems that both the branches of the Supreme Court
40:50have started a conflict.
40:52No, there will be no conflict.
40:57It is very clear that
41:00in the cases where there is a constitutional point,
41:08the Constitutional Benches will go there.
41:15There is no doubt about it.
41:19It is true that there are judges
41:23who become the adornment of the media.
41:27But they are not meant to be like that.
41:31Thank you very much for giving us time.
41:35The audience heard everything.
41:37I found one thing very clear.
41:40Mr. Rana,
41:41his role in think tank,
41:43unofficial or policy making
41:45is very unique.
41:47It is very clear that
41:49the government has to react
41:51in a no-holds-barred manner
41:53to crush any movement.
41:55But when the 9th May incident happened,
41:59Imran Khan was in custody.
42:01He had a legal defense
42:03that this reaction happened outside
42:06and I have nothing to do with it.
42:09And the government is stuck
42:11as to how to pin it.
42:13His party leadership has also said
42:16that whatever they decide,
42:18it will be according to that.
42:20They have talked about a peaceful march,
42:23but the kind of language
42:25that Ali Amin Ghandapur has spoken,
42:27blood, shrouds, funerals and all that,
42:30there is a violence element in that.
42:33Is it possible that
42:35if the PTI has mishandled it,
42:40will Imran Khan's problems
42:42increase?
42:44If something happens,
42:46then they can directly pin it
42:48on the chairman of the PTI
42:50that it happened on their behalf.
42:53Again, it will be by a stretch of logic.
42:56But there is a possibility.
42:58We hope that whatever the PTI does,
43:01they do it wisely.
43:03Because there are not just political aspects,
43:06there are legal aspects as well.
43:08Time will tell what happens and what doesn't.
43:10With your permission, goodbye.