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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15The biggest and worst news is that President Zardari has signed the PICA amendment bill
00:23in just a few hours.
00:24The bill was sent to him last night and although there was an uproar in the whole country of
00:30journalists and journalists' bodies, and everyone had requested that if the President
00:36delays it and maybe stakeholders get involved in it again.
00:40Sherry Rehman Sahiba came to the journalists and said that he did not talk, we will talk
00:46to you and this and that.
00:47But today, just a few hours later, he signed it.
00:51The interesting thing is that he also spoke to Maulana Fazlur Rehman on the telephone
00:57and according to our information, he was assured that he would discuss it and talk to them
01:03and that he would not sign it right away.
01:05But just a few hours later, he signed it.
01:08I don't know when the Madrasa bill came, he refused to sign it.
01:13Whoever told him, maybe he was the one who told him to sign it and he signed it immediately.
01:18There are two or three election manifestos in front of me.
01:22The PMLN said that we will be ushering Pakistan into a new era of information.
01:28That we will start a new era in Pakistan.
01:31We have started a completely new era where the media is dominated and where speaking
01:36the truth, thinking the truth, whatever it is, has now been declared a crime.
01:39In the whole world, when there is so much respect and respect, there is a civil crime
01:44and there are fines.
01:45If there were no fines, then maybe there would have been a scene of punishment.
01:48But here it has been criminalized.
01:50And leave the rest, a lot has happened.
01:52People's Party, when they were announced for this election,
01:56they said that we will amend the PICA Act and fix things.
02:00Section 31 will be changed and blah blah blah, I don't know what else.
02:05But I would call it hypocrisy.
02:07That they come and talk to us and the leaders of their own party,
02:11the leaders of their own party, the bigwigs of their own party,
02:13they easily crack the PICA Act and make it white.
02:16If you talk about this, where will we go?
02:19Secondly, very interesting developments are happening.
02:22Do you remember, a few days ago, Richard Grenell,
02:25who is the envoy of President Trump,
02:28he tweeted something in which he said,
02:31Free Imran Khan and everything.
02:33And PTI ran with it.
02:34It is going on everywhere.
02:36It is being retweeted in lakhs, everything is happening.
02:40Now, a businessman had come, Gentry Beach.
02:44He is a fund manager.
02:46He had come with a very big American delegation.
02:48He came and destroyed all that statement.
02:51Now, all the Muslim League and their allies,
02:54they are running away with his statements.
02:56So, it seems that in Pakistan's politics,
02:59sometimes Grenell is important, sometimes Beach is important.
03:02What he said, I will also discuss with you.
03:05But before that, I would like to share a few news of PTI with you.
03:08Whatever has happened,
03:10recently, Mr. Gandapur was removed from office.
03:13He was removed from office.
03:15And in an interview, Mr. Junaid Akbar himself said
03:18that this decision was made a month and a half ago.
03:21And we know that this decision was made in the first week of December.
03:24So, that story ended when Mr. Gandapur himself said
03:27that he cannot bear the burden of two offices.
03:31But what I know is that now,
03:33Mr. Gandapur has received a lot of serious scolding.
03:36And Imran Khan has given a lot of answers to him.
03:39And now, we see two ministers coming back.
03:43One is Taimur Jhagra and the other is Imran Bangish.
03:47Both of them lost the elections.
03:49And their objection was that
03:51Mr. Gandapur has defeated them.
03:55And this is what Mr. Khan has been convinced.
03:58And they will probably come back.
04:00And if they become advisors,
04:02it will be a huge blow to Mr. Gandapur's administration there.
04:06Along with that, there are two ministers,
04:08I am not taking their names right now,
04:10who have been directly told by Mr. Khan to remove them.
04:14There are a lot of allegations of corruption against them.
04:17In addition to this, there will be changes of two or three more ministers.
04:19So, big changes are happening there.
04:21But what will happen now?
04:23What will happen with PECA in Pakistan?
04:25And why is this law being brought forward?
04:27Because this is a pre-emptive law.
04:29If the establishment had to show any significance in this,
04:32then why did they have to bring such a black law forward?
04:35What options does PTI have?
04:37What will they do?
04:38Has the trump card ended even before it was opened?
04:40And we will also talk about the second PECA.
04:42We have been joined by Senior Admin of JUI, Mr. Hafiz Abdullah.
04:46Thank you very much.
04:47Professor Aqeel Malik.
04:49Advisor, Ministry of Law and Justice.
04:51And MNA of PMLA.
04:52Thank you very much, Aqeel.
04:54And Senator Anabas Bappi has joined us.
04:56Senior leader of PTI.
04:59Let's start with PTI.
05:01But before that,
05:03I would like to hear your statement
05:05about the beach here.
05:07Why is this Gentry Beach important?
05:10It is not because he is a businessman.
05:12I was reading an article in the Dallas Morning News.
05:15It is an old article, but it has history in it.
05:18Trump's son, Don Jr.
05:20He is a friend from his college days.
05:23Then he set up a non-profit with him.
05:27When the first election campaign of President Trump was held,
05:31he was one of the national campaign managers.
05:34He was also a national campaign manager.
05:37And he did such a fundraising
05:39where the entry fees of each couple
05:41which was on that dinner
05:43was approximately 9 lakh dollars per couple.
05:46So he has raised a million in that time
05:49in President Trump.
05:51Don Jr., who is the son of President Trump,
05:55Don Jr. is also the godfather of one of his sons.
05:59So this shows you how close the connection is.
06:02And he quoted Trump in an article of that time.
06:05He said about the beach
06:07and about Tom Hicks Jr.
06:09who is also a businessman from Dallas.
06:11He said about him,
06:13I was basically their dancing monkey.
06:15I was a monkey in their hands.
06:17I used to do whatever they asked me to do.
06:19They collected millions of dollars for me on the road.
06:22They used to take selfies with me.
06:24They used to carry my bags with them.
06:26This is his link-up.
06:28Earlier, we used to listen to Grendel on PTA.
06:31Don Jr.'s friends come out everywhere.
06:34A senior diplomat himself told me.
06:36Anyway.
06:37Now what did he say in Pakistan?
06:40And in Mar-a-Lago, which is Trump's own residence,
06:44what did he say?
06:46First, let's listen to what he said in Pakistan.
06:52There are a number of deep fake AI presentations on the Internet
06:56that have been made out there about that
06:58that actually is not true or real at all.
07:00He's been disappointed.
07:02But I think Mr. Grendel, Ambassador Grendel
07:04has a very clear, defined view.
07:07And I think he supports everything we're doing in Pakistan.
07:09As it relates to tweets on Rick Grendel's account,
07:13I'm not going to...
07:14I believe Ambassador Grendel
07:16probably has a better understanding today
07:18than he did previously.
07:19Current situations here.
07:20I don't know Amran Khan or all the issues that existed in the past.
07:24But I've seen no evidence that our administration in the U.S.
07:29has anything but respect for the leadership here, period.
07:32And with some of my own research that I've done,
07:37I think there were a lot of issues with that former prime minister.
07:41But again, that's not what I'm here to talk about.
07:43This past week, I had the benefit of going to...
08:14Then he gave a very long speech in Lagos.
08:17I'll tell you about that later.
08:18He praised it a lot there.
08:19He said there was a lot of misunderstanding.
08:20Biden did wrong with Pakistan.
08:22And this is a very powerful ally.
08:24We should raise it up.
08:26And he said that this is a pro-Trump country.
08:28And there's a lot of respect for the leadership here
08:31in the Trump administration.
08:33So this Trump thing is over.
08:35You didn't have all the hopes there
08:37that Trump would come and change the game.
08:43I was a bit levitating on it.
08:45In the name of God.
08:46Mr. Malik, none of us, from the top to the bottom,
08:49have ever claimed that we have any hopes from Trump or America.
08:53Our narrative has always been very different.
08:56When our government went into office in 2022,
08:58there was no interference at that time.
09:01But the message was certainly conveyed
09:02to the establishment of Pakistan.
09:04From your official website,
09:05from your American website,
09:07all of you retweeted it in hundreds of thousands of tweets.
09:13So don't say that you weren't going up.
09:17Mr. Malik, if someone supports our narrative,
09:20then there's no harm in retweeting it.
09:23If someone says that Imran Khan is right,
09:25or that there is cruelty and barbarity in Pakistan,
09:27then if there's a tweet there, retweet it.
09:30From that point of view,
09:32that we are on that narrative,
09:34that America will interfere here,
09:36I think that was wrongly put,
09:37and we have never supported it.
09:39We always said that we will take justice from the courts of Pakistan
09:43if there is no intervention here.
09:45That is, if political dubious cases are not made against Mr. Khan,
09:48then perhaps we will take justice from Pakistan.
09:50So you are saying that first Grenell was irrelevant,
09:54now the beach is irrelevant.
09:56Is that what you're saying?
09:57No, I said irrelevant.
09:59Neither was he irrelevant, nor was he relevant,
10:01nor is he irrelevant.
10:02He came on his personal tour,
10:04he came on a business point of view.
10:05Today the American embassy has issued a statement
10:08that he came on his personal tour,
10:09he has his own views and respect for that.
10:11But to say that we were related to the Trump issue,
10:15or that we had expectations,
10:16I think that is a wrong way of putting the things,
10:18because we believe that whatever is happening in Pakistan,
10:21the international overall view is wrong.
10:27Now he said that the leadership of Pakistan is seen with great respect.
10:31The ambassador of Pakistan must have met with difficulty.
10:34Sir, what can we do?
10:37He is standing in Mar-a-Lago.
10:39He is standing in President Trump's own ranch house.
10:42All the Republicans are sitting in front of him,
10:45they are clapping, he is doing it.
10:47What can we do about it?
10:49He was not allowed to go inside.
10:52He could not be a part of any event there.
10:55Two days ago, your funding,
10:57which was coming to Pakistan, was stopped.
10:59From today, it is Biden's administration.
11:01One and a half months ago,
11:02your funding for Pakistan's nuclear development was stopped.
11:05So America is not giving this point of view anywhere,
11:08that it is comfortable with Pakistan,
11:09whether it is Biden's administration.
11:11The funding that has been stopped,
11:12all the grants and funding have been stopped across the board.
11:15Let's keep things in perspective.
11:17Pakistan is specifically closed.
11:19Abortion clinics, condoms, everything is closed.
11:23So that is a different issue,
11:24and there is a fight in your country.
11:26I will come and take the rest.
11:28Mr. Hamdullah,
11:29when Richard Grenell tweets,
11:31the PTI people jump around with joy.
11:34Now the Gentry Beach has given a statement,
11:36so the PML people are like that,
11:38their happiness is not ending.
11:40All these Americans are also going up,
11:42this and that.
11:43In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful.
11:45Thank you very much.
11:46Just as you said, Mr. Mohammad Malik,
11:49when we used to see Grenell's tweets
11:53about Imran Khan,
11:56our friends and family were not happy.
12:02They were happy.
12:04And the PML people were scared.
12:07That I don't know what will happen after 20th January.
12:10So they were very scared of that tweet.
12:13And they used to call that tweet long live.
12:16But today when you talked about the beach,
12:19they talked about something else.
12:21Today the government is happy,
12:24they are proud.
12:26Now keeping this whole situation in mind,
12:29a person can say that
12:31after this country's politics,
12:34the distances of this country's politics
12:37are in Washington.
12:39According to our politicians,
12:41their 25 crore people and their power
12:44is not on the basis of their vote.
12:47Let's look at the whole of America,
12:49will America praise my government
12:52or will it praise the opposition leadership?
12:55This is the situation of the opposition
12:57and this is the situation of the government.
12:59So I think this is our biggest defamation,
13:02failure and misfortune.
13:05And the second thing is that
13:07this is not a unique thing.
13:09Look, in the past,
13:11Aqeel is sitting here.
13:13Who released Mian Nawaz Sharif?
13:17Clinton released him.
13:19And then you will remember
13:21Benazir Butto who was martyred in Dubai.
13:24Who was the reason for that?
13:27So this intervention of America
13:30has been a part of Pakistan's politics.
13:33Not 1%, not 5%.
13:35Look, we fought wars in Afghanistan.
13:37Who was the reason for that?
13:39After 9-11,
13:41when we fought the war of terrorism
13:43with America,
13:45who was the reason for that?
13:47In the time of Russia,
13:49Khawaja Sahib's statement
13:51on the floor of the assembly,
13:53what did he say?
13:55That we fought the war with money.
13:57So if you look at the entire political scenario
13:59of Pakistan for 77 years,
14:01from 1948
14:03when Liaquat Ali Khan was there,
14:05from that time till today,
14:07our friendship with America
14:09and our friendship is such
14:11that we were destroyed in our friendship.
14:13Our economy was destroyed.
14:15Our politics was destroyed.
14:17Our self-determination was destroyed.
14:19But we politicians,
14:21political nobles
14:23and non-political nobles
14:25did not learn the lesson.
14:27Mr. Aqeel,
14:29you have made a big deal
14:31in the face of Grinnell.
14:33Where did this come from?
14:35Thank you very much.
14:37Look, he is an investor
14:39and I do not deny this.
14:41The clarification that was to come
14:43was also made.
14:45But what you have said
14:47historically
14:49and even otherwise
14:51on his credentials,
14:53this is a fact
14:55and it is very close to him.
14:57Look, we are not banking on this.
14:59But we definitely want to tell
15:01the Pakistani people
15:03that this mirror should be seen
15:05that the people who have put
15:07their hands on Grinnell,
15:09the tweets of Grinnell
15:11have been deleted.
15:13All the tweets have been deleted.
15:15There is only one left
15:17and all the others have been deleted.
15:19But that one says Fareem Rana Khan.
15:21But apart from that,
15:23all the tweets of the last
15:25program will also be deleted.
15:27The people who have come here
15:29to Gentry Beach
15:31have come for investment.
15:33And with all their closeness
15:35to the Trump administration,
15:37they have come and told
15:39that the Republicans
15:41or other Democrats
15:43who were members of the House of Representatives,
15:45the senators,
15:47the congressmen,
15:49will not only get a resolution passed
15:51but will also get tweets from them.
15:53And this was all a PTI's
15:55commercial program.
15:57You are right.
15:59Basically, they are also relying on America.
16:01No, we are not relying on America.
16:03We are very clear.
16:05We are not relying on America.
16:07Our government and our country
16:09is open for business.
16:11We say that there is economic stability here.
16:13Oh sorry, I forgot.
16:15I wanted to thank you first.
16:17I wanted to congratulate you.
16:19You have passed the blackest bill
16:21in history.
16:23This is the Pekka Amendment Bill.
16:25And you always say that
16:27we are the media.
16:29You brought the media in 2016.
16:31In 2016,
16:33there was hate speech,
16:35misinformation, propaganda,
16:37illegal activities, terrorism.
16:39All these things were happening at that time.
16:41And they are still happening.
16:43They are happening in the world.
16:45They are not happening here alone.
16:47They are happening in the world.
16:49They are happening in the world.
16:51They are happening in the world.
16:53Your reason is justified
16:55that these things should be corrected on social media.
16:57We are also with you.
16:59But the black laws that you have made
17:01are made by everyone.
17:03Let's talk about that.
17:05First of all, tell me
17:07that Maulana Zardari
17:09had called you.
17:11We got to know that
17:13you told him
17:15that you don't want to do this.
17:17Tell us about this.
17:19What did Maulana Zardari say?
17:21You are right.
17:23I was not in the meeting
17:25when Maulana Zardari
17:27called me.
17:29When I
17:31contacted Maulana Zardari
17:33and got the information,
17:35Maulana Zardari
17:37called him
17:39and told him
17:41to consult
17:43the PICA Act.
17:45If it is passed,
17:47the media has a big objection
17:49on this.
17:51We also have an objection.
17:53As far as I know,
17:55Maulana Zardari said
17:57that he is waiting for
17:59Mohsin Naqvi to come
18:01and then I will send him to you
18:03and give him a message.
18:05We will sit with you
18:07and finalize this
18:09after consultation.
18:11Within a few hours,
18:13the president signed the document.
18:15We were also surprised.
18:17Why were you surprised?
18:19I was making a list.
18:21When the PDM was made,
18:23you signed it.
18:25In the elections,
18:27the people's party
18:29took it from you.
18:31In the 26th amendment,
18:33you signed it.
18:35In the Madrasa Bill,
18:37Maulana Zardari signed it.
18:39Why were you surprised?
18:41Maulana Zardari
18:43has never signed
18:45anything with anyone.
18:47I am addressing the people
18:49through this show
18:51that Maulana Zardari
18:53has always
18:55played a role
18:57for the constitution,
18:59for the supremacy
19:01of the parliament,
19:03in the field of legislation
19:05and in the protection
19:07of the constitution.
19:09When Maulana Zardari
19:11played a role,
19:13whenever the big parties
19:15needed him,
19:17Maulana Zardari was there.
19:19He was a national leader.
19:21Even though his party
19:23wanted to bring
19:2556 amendments.
19:27In the 73rd amendment,
19:29he wanted to bring
19:3120% amendments.
19:33But Aqil Bhai himself
19:35and his minister
19:37didn't know about it.
19:39The Interior Ministry
19:41made the bill.
19:43Maulana Zardari
19:45came on 52nd
19:47and put 5-6 amendments
19:49in his own house.
19:51The parliament passed it.
19:53In Karachi, Bilawal Sahib,
19:55Asif Ali Zardari Sahib,
19:57Bani Mia and Choti Mia.
19:59That's what happened.
20:01Now the people
20:03should decide
20:05whether they have always supported
20:07the parliament with political forces
20:09for democracy.
20:11But what did they do
20:13in response?
20:15What was the hurry
20:17that the president
20:19spoke to the senior leader
20:21and said that he will call
20:23Musa Naqvi and then
20:25we will see what to do.
20:27And then after a while,
20:29he would get a call
20:31from Maulana Zardari
20:33and he would sign it.
20:35What was the hurry
20:37that you put so much pressure
20:39on the president
20:41that he went back on his word?
20:43The president of Pakistan
20:45has his own legal team.
20:47There is an objection to the Madaris bill.
20:49They did a legal consultation.
20:51Whether they did a legal consultation
20:53on this or not,
20:55the office of the president of Pakistan
20:57can answer that.
20:59We are the parliament.
21:01You are right that this is
21:03an interior ministry bill.
21:05It was between 3-4 ministries.
21:07Why did it originate from there?
21:09Why did it originate from there?
21:11It pertains to national security,
21:13the dignity of a human as well
21:15and various other things.
21:17Then let it go from everything.
21:19There is economic security.
21:21There is economic security.
21:23There is finance.
21:25Then get the budget from them.
21:27There is a national cyber crime
21:29investigating agency.
21:31Let it go.
21:33Mr. Bappi,
21:35what was the pressure?
21:37Mr. Zardari said to Maulana
21:39that he will send
21:41Musa Naqvi.
21:43Musa Naqvi has no burden.
21:45Why will Musa Naqvi listen to him?
21:47This means that
21:49Musa Naqvi did not listen to
21:51Musa Naqvi.
21:53Musa Naqvi does not listen to him.
21:55Musa Naqvi speaks on his behalf.
21:57This bill came from him.
21:59This is a ministry.
22:01I will tell you something interesting.
22:03Ataullah Tarar went to a journalist
22:05and told him that there is nothing
22:07about cleanliness in this bill.
22:09He started reading.
22:11I did not see this.
22:13The information minister did not know
22:15how the interior ministry made this bill.
22:17I am sure that someone made
22:19this draft for the interior ministry.
22:21We all know.
22:23Ultimately, who was the agenda serving?
22:25Everybody knows it.
22:27I am sure that Maulana called
22:29and told him to go to Dubai
22:31before the ECL.
22:33The point is
22:35that whatever was put in this
22:37is all dubious.
22:39These are all false claims.
22:41He said that this is for women's rights.
22:43It has nothing to do with religion.
22:45It is all to stop hatred.
22:47This is nothing.
22:49He was imprisoned for three years
22:51and was fined 10 lakh rupees.
22:53The Supreme Court will go to the tribunal.
22:55The decision of the tribunal cannot be challenged.
22:57If you want to make a new YouTube channel,
22:59you will have to go to the National Cyber Crime
23:01Investigation Agency, which will be appointed
23:03by someone else, not the government.
23:05Before that, they will approve it.
23:07If you want to make a YouTube channel,
23:09you have to open a Facebook account.
23:11You have to open an Instagram account.
23:13Before that, you have to get
23:15NCCSA approval.
23:17If you don't register,
23:19your account cannot operate.
23:21If there was one media in Pakistan
23:23that had a little freedom to talk to people,
23:25now they will also be crushed.
23:27Now, no one can open
23:294 crore social media accounts in Pakistan.
23:31But they think they can handle it.
23:33Ultimately, this will happen.
23:35It will either affect you or us.
23:37Ultimately, it has to do with the journalists
23:39or the Pakistanis.
23:41This is affecting us because of you.
23:43This is affecting us because of you.
23:45This is affecting us because of you.
23:47Mr. Aqeel, the thing is...
23:49We used to think the same, very frankly.
23:51Mr. Aon has no leg to stand on.
23:53Mr. Aon has no leg to stand on.
23:55He has seen his own party.
23:57Wasn't he a part of it?
23:59Tell us, who has the chairmanship?
24:01And not only that,
24:03who has the chairmanship?
24:05And not only that,
24:07the chairman of the committee,
24:09Faisal Salim,
24:11he has also said that he has no leg to stand on.
24:13So, you have also taken part in this crime.
24:15So, you have also taken part in this crime.
24:17Let me give two clarifications.
24:19First, when Faisal Salim was made
24:21the chair of this committee,
24:23the party did not have a say in it.
24:25It was the only chairman standing committee
24:27that informed the party.
24:29People's Party of Noon League
24:31made Faisal Salim without asking us.
24:33The party asked him questions.
24:35The party asked him questions.
24:37But ultimately, on 26th November,
24:39we couldn't go through it.
24:41But the day he was sitting alone,
24:43just to take his side,
24:45the day the chairman was sitting alone,
24:47there were eight people
24:49from People's Party of Noon League.
24:51Faisal Salim was sitting alone.
24:53So, eight people voted
24:55to clear the majority bill.
24:57So, he could have brought his opposition
24:59that the majority has voted.
25:01But I am personally opposing it.
25:03But I am personally opposing it.
25:05My party is opposing it.
25:07Faisal Salim has written in his minutes
25:09that I am opposing it.
25:11This is against the law of the law.
25:13This is against freedom of the press.
25:15Ultimately, the consensus of the bill
25:17has been cleared.
25:19But on the other side,
25:21today Mr. Khan has issued instructions
25:23that Faisal Salim,
25:25because he is the chairman
25:27could have taken him to a debate.
25:29He could have called the journalists.
25:31Still, we will take action against him.
25:33But having said that,
25:35he was sitting alone
25:37and with the majority vote,
25:39he has written in his minutes
25:41that he has agitated strongly.
25:43Having said that,
25:45Mr. Malik, it doesn't matter.
25:47If Mr. Azadari can stop it,
25:49can Faisal Salim stop it?
25:51It doesn't matter who is sitting there.
25:53The people and the system
25:55Three years ago,
25:57Shabaz Sheev and Bilawal's statement
25:59said that this is a black law.
26:01When this gun was being fired
26:03on our shoulders,
26:05they used to say that this is a black law.
26:07Thank God, we are the first people in the government.
26:09On whose behalf were you bringing this bill?
26:11On whose behalf were you bringing this bill?
26:13These shoulders should always be used
26:15for those for whom it serves a purpose.
26:17I said this in a talk show the day before yesterday.
26:19If I had served someone,
26:21my shoulder would have been used
26:23for them.
26:25These tables will be turned
26:27for those who think
26:29they can stop what criticism
26:31is going towards them.
26:33The system thinks it can stop
26:35such bills.
26:37I said, we were wrong then.
26:39When it's our turn tomorrow,
26:41this is the PICA bill.
26:43The barristers are sitting and saying
26:45that the law is against us.
26:47I have been sentenced to three years.
26:49There is no mafia to it.
26:51I am being told to take a break.
26:53I am leaving a question for everyone.
26:55What is the situation today?
26:57It seems that
26:59the establishment and the government
27:01are in a state of drunkenness.
27:03There is no pressure on them.
27:05The PTI
27:07thinks that
27:09the PTI does not have the power
27:11to warm up the streets.
27:13To bring street agitation.
27:15If the PTI does not bring
27:17street agitation,
27:19then Imran Khan
27:21has a 14-year imprisonment.
27:23The rest of the leadership is inside.
27:25They cannot warm up the streets.
27:27Then there is no one to stop them.
27:29If they had a granary,
27:31now they have a gentry beach.
27:33They are confident that
27:35America will not be involved.
27:37Even if it happens,
27:39we will handle it through
27:41Mohammad bin Salman.
27:43The law is being passed
27:45so that anyone who speaks
27:47If this is the situation
27:49we are in,
27:51then what option
27:53does the PTI have
27:55for the common people?
27:57Will this work or not?
27:59We will talk about this after the break.
28:07Welcome back to the show.
28:09I read the manifestos during the break.
28:11First of all,
28:13there should be an impact on fake news.
28:15There should be an impact
28:17on the liberals and PMs.
28:19The promises they made
28:21are all lies.
28:23The laws they are making
28:25are all lies.
28:27In the Punjab Assembly,
28:29457% of the ministers
28:31increased their salaries.
28:33In the National Assembly,
28:35there were 178,000.
28:37Now they have increased their salaries
28:39to 519,000.
28:41People are starving
28:43and increasing their salaries.
28:45They are making laws
28:47that serve them today.
28:49We have seen in the past
28:51that the person who made the laws
28:53was scorned.
28:55Mr. Mian made the laws of the courts
28:57and he got punished for it.
28:59Mr. Bhutto made changes
29:01and he was fined for it.
29:03Why are these people
29:05making laws today?
29:07Do they think they will be in power
29:09all their lives?
29:11Will they need media
29:13and expression?
29:15Look Mr. Malik,
29:17it is the experience
29:19of the past.
29:21If these parties
29:23had made decisions
29:25and made laws,
29:27they would not have
29:29made such laws.
29:31This means that
29:33whatever they are doing,
29:35they are not doing it themselves.
29:37Whatever is being done
29:39is a compromise.
29:41Imran Khan is right.
29:43Whatever Imran Khan is doing
29:45is for the establishment.
29:47He is right.
29:49He is doing everything for power.
29:51Don't you think that the election
29:53of 8th and 9th February is a compromise?
29:55If I say that
29:57the election was stolen,
29:59I will be in the fake news.
30:01Everyone knows what happened on 9th February.
30:03But if I say it,
30:05they will say it is fake news.
30:07If I say that the entire mandate
30:09of this government is fake,
30:11that is also fake news.
30:13It means that
30:15it is a ban on speaking,
30:17writing and speaking.
30:19That is why I am saying
30:21that the same law
30:23that they made today,
30:25they will be punished.
30:27The people's party
30:29will also be punished.
30:31They are already punished.
30:33They don't learn.
30:35General Bajwa was punished.
30:37General Bhutto was punished.
30:39Did they give the extension
30:41to General Bajwa or not?
30:43They gave it to him and
30:45Imran Khan too.
30:47Both of them are punished.
30:49This is the real problem.
30:51You talked about the salary class.
30:53You see for yourself,
30:55the poor are dying.
30:57They are increasing their salaries.
30:59They have increased their salaries
31:01by 200%.
31:03JGI has opposed it.
31:05I am coming to this.
31:07In 6 months,
31:09in 6 months,
31:11the government has collected
31:13243 billion rupees.
31:15243 billion rupees.
31:17So you are collecting
31:19hundreds of billions
31:21of rupees from the salary class
31:23and you are increasing your salaries.
31:25Only JGI has opposed it.
31:27The rest of the parties
31:29have opposed it.
31:31Before your question,
31:33let me tell you that
31:35for the past 12 years,
31:37no member of parliament
31:39has increased your salary.
31:41This is not a job.
31:43You don't afford it.
31:45Don't come.
31:47I am saying that
31:49a person who cannot
31:51make his own budget,
31:53cannot change his life,
31:55he should not have the right
31:57to make decisions
31:59Successful people need
32:01to do these things.
32:03We will discuss this later.
32:05I will go to Bappi sir also.
32:07This black law
32:09is everywhere.
32:11It reeks of malice.
32:13Instead of information,
32:15who does the interior?
32:17I can tell you that
32:19the law ministry
32:21did not even vet it.
32:23You were in the post office.
32:25You came and sent it.
32:27You were not allowed
32:29to change the comma.
32:31We did look at it.
32:33If this is not in
32:35contradiction with
32:37any of the constitutional
32:39provisions,
32:41we did look at it.
32:43If a person is killed,
32:45he will get 3-4 repeals.
32:47If he is judged in an additional
32:49session, he will go to the FST.
32:51He will go to the High Court.
32:53He will go to the Supreme Court.
32:55We have a hand-picked
32:57tribunal here.
32:59It will give a punishment.
33:01We will go to the Supreme Court.
33:03When will the gap be filled?
33:05Listen to me.
33:07You have to choose.
33:09You have 15,000 journalists
33:11on your payroll.
33:13You are saying this.
33:15There is a double standard everywhere.
33:17You said that the journalist
33:19should be nominated by the
33:21journalist trade body.
33:23You said that the prime minister
33:25should be a judge.
33:27You could have said that
33:29he should be nominated by the
33:31PFUJ or a trade body representative.
33:33We will accept him.
33:35You said that he should be a judge.
33:37He can come under the rules.
33:39He can come under the rules.
33:41He can come under the rules.
33:43He can come under the rules.
33:45The rules will be updated.
33:47You are doing everything
33:49in a double standard.
33:51You have put the guilty people
33:53before the criminal.
33:55You are the judge.
33:57You are the judge.
33:59Not at all.
34:01I will tell the viewers.
34:03The Office of the Ofcom
34:05is considered the gold standard
34:07in this type of cases.
34:09When a case is filed there,
34:11that department is
34:13another unit
34:15that assesses
34:17whether the case is made or not.
34:19then he gives it to another department which is independent and prosecutes it.
34:26Then his third finding is a third one.
34:30All three are different, all three are independent, all three are not responsible for each other.
34:35So that there is no game.
34:37Here the same chairman will ban you, will make your decisions, will do everything and then fire you.
34:45This is this law in simple words.
34:47This is such a dark law that the judge, jury, executioner, their appointed government person will be sitting there
34:53and he will make a court of his own and sit there as God and he will make the decision.
34:59And if his decision is unlawful and it is clearly proven that the work has been done,
35:04he has no questions, he has no punishment.
35:07Mr. Bappi, I come to you because you people too, in a time, in a big case, had shown a lot of fervor.
35:13At that time, maybe Mr. Farooq Naseem was making this bill.
35:18So tell me this, are you also a part of this sin or not?
35:22I agree sir, there is no other opinion in this.
35:26When the issue of the production order came up, I gave a speech in the Senate.
35:30I said it was our fault.
35:32We came to power for the first time in our lives and we learned the hard way.
35:35The people who stopped us from issuing the production order,
35:39they may not have issued the production order of the production order.
35:42But this is their fifth term.
35:43In the same way, if Farooq Naseem was very vocal about this law at that time,
35:48then today it is the ministry of Mohsin Naqvi.
35:50So the law that is related to the ministry of Farooq Naseem or the ministry of Mohsin Naqvi,
35:54you yourself understand what that law will be and what purpose it serves.
35:57But having said that, you see this whole process.
36:00On 8th February, a parliament of your choice implements a government of your choice.
36:05After that, the 26th amendment comes.
36:07So judges of the High Court of your choice are appointed at that time.
36:1010-12 judges are appointed from here.
36:12A lawyer of your choice is appointed, whose background may be this.
36:15You are also coming to the Supreme Court.
36:18Now the third thing.
36:19Now the third thing, sir.
36:20So first there was a parliament.
36:22After that, the next came and now the media has come.
36:24So in the media tribunals, in the bureaucratic setup,
36:27hand-picked people will be picked up who will be put in the tribunal.
36:30You will do a talk show in the evening.
36:32You will get a call.
36:33Mr. Malik, tell me the source of the news you gave.
36:35Okay, sorry.
36:36One second, one second.
36:37Let me add one thing.
36:38There are very good conditions to remove the chairman.
36:42One is that he becomes mad, becomes crazy, whatever.
36:45One is that his moral crime is caught.
36:48Third is inefficiency.
36:50There will also be inefficiency.
36:52If he has left someone, then it is inefficient.
36:56Keep him.
36:57Yes, he left, or he did not punish Mr. Malik.
37:00Or he forgave On Bappi or Tehreek-e-Insaf.
37:02That will be inefficient.
37:03That is the only thing.
37:04This is the definition and explanation made by you.
37:08The amendments that we have brought in CRPC
37:10have also been brought to streamline and make it efficient.
37:13Streamline is this.
37:14You are making everyone your slave according to your will.
37:17Look, I for one am not inclined to use religion
37:20or even give any sort of religious perspective in this regard.
37:27Sir, Amirul Momine has also brought amendments to ban Nawaz Sharif.
37:31Let me tell you about fake news.
37:33Surah-e-Baqarah, Surah-e-Munafiqun, Surah-e-Noor, Surah-e-Isra.
37:38The things that are mentioned in all these,
37:40what teachings does the Quran give us?
37:42I will tell you.
37:43I will tell you.
37:44I will take a break.
37:45I will answer this much.
37:46You tell me.
37:47You tell me whether it is fake news or not.
37:50I will also come after the break.
37:51I mentioned this so that Maulana can sit.
37:53Listen to me.
37:54Will you decide on the Quran?
37:56No.
37:57The Quran is for us.
37:58Will you chairman it?
37:59No.
38:00Will you chairman it?
38:01These are teachings.
38:02These are teachings to go by.
38:03Listen to me.
38:04The Quran shows you the path.
38:08The Quran gives you a complete life.
38:11How you have spent your life.
38:13Listen to me.
38:14Tell me, what is this?
38:15I have not written this.
38:16I will give you references.
38:17If it is about the Quran,
38:18will you sit on the king's throne?
38:20No.
38:21Alhamdulillah.
38:22Who sits on the king's throne in the parliament?
38:25All these things.
38:26I will take a break.
38:27The one who decides on Allah,
38:28the one who decides on me,
38:29you.
38:30I will tell you.
38:31Not only in the world,
38:32but in the world too.
38:33I will just remind you of one incident.
38:34Who will decide who is a liar and who is not?
38:35Exactly.
38:36I will tell you one incident.
38:37There was a person, Nawaz Sharif.
38:38He was standing in the assembly.
38:39And he said,
38:40these are the means.
38:41And after that,
38:42he completely rejected that statement.
38:43And his lawyer said,
38:44he is a political scientist.
38:45He is a political scientist.
38:46He is a political scientist
38:47and he has written the Quran.
38:48The Quran is for us.
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