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Mohammad Malick's anlaysis Imran Khan's harsh statements
Salman Akram Raja reacts to negotiation and Imran Khan's statement
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Mohammad Malick's anlaysis Imran Khan's harsh statements
Salman Akram Raja reacts to negotiation and Imran Khan's statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya. I am Muhammad Malik.
00:09It is right to say that a week is a long time in politics.
00:15And this is what we are seeing. A week ago, there was a lot of hope.
00:18Negotiations came up, government, PTI, very good things, positive things from both sides.
00:23Committees were formed. Then the committees were also told that
00:26okay, we will meet Bani and give our return.
00:30Then, they are not being met yet.
00:33Now, those complaints were going on.
00:35So yesterday, Imran Khan's statement came, a very harsh statement came.
00:39And after many weeks, he once again directly made the Army Chief the target of his criticism.
00:46And he said that the two worst were Mashallah.
00:50One was of Yahya Khan, one was of General Zia-ul-Haq.
00:54And this is today's era, this is the era of Yahya Khan.
00:57And then he said directly that Shahbaz Sharif is just a puppet of General Asim Munir.
01:04More powerful than this, the Prime Minister was Shaukat Aziz in the Musharraf era.
01:09Then he also said that he also talked about the case,
01:15that the decision of Al-Qadr Trust is being postponed again and again.
01:18We know about it. Bring the decision.
01:20The decision was just to put me under pressure.
01:23And there were some very harsh things.
01:25We saw a lot of reactions to that.
01:27After the Prime Minister, if anyone has a very deep official or unofficial relationship with the military circles,
01:37it is the country's Minister of Defense.
01:39Let's hear what his reaction was.
01:42The tweets that came out yesterday related to BTI, related to Imran Khan,
01:50after the conversation they had, I think this was an unachievable exercise, these negotiations.
01:58Look, when negotiations start, then the team you are negotiating with,
02:05if you use this language with them,
02:10then I think your sincerity is not present.
02:17Then Senator Faisal of BTI said that despite repeated confessions,
02:22the committee's meeting is not being held with the Bani Chairman,
02:25so this is an assessment of the government's power.
02:28Chaudhry Fawad said even more harsh words.
02:30He said, what kind of political talks should we have?
02:33Those who have no right to a meeting,
02:35if there is even a little bit of honor in them, then get out of office.
02:38Party Secretary General came together today, Salman Khan Bajaj,
02:41he also said later that we are only sitting for the success of Pakistan,
02:45but we do not see success on the other side.
02:47And he repeated the same demand that the November 26 issue,
02:51its accountability and everything else, because there are two demands.
02:55All kinds of things have come up.
02:57Irfan Siddiqui, who is sitting in the committee,
02:59and he is also a sort of spokesperson for every briefing of the committee,
03:03this is the process of the joint committee meeting.
03:06In that, he also said,
03:08so they are asking us what people did not ask Musharraf and everything else.
03:12It seems that he has become a stillborn child.
03:15Has this discussion ended before it started?
03:18And who is to be blamed really?
03:21We will talk about this.
03:23Salman Akram Bajaj is in the first half of our program.
03:25He is the Secretary General of PTI.
03:27We have to ask him.
03:28As-salamu alaykum Salman.
03:30Yes, as-salamu alaykum.
03:32Salman, is he a stillborn baby?
03:34Now it seems that,
03:36because we thought that good things would happen.
03:38After a long time, Khan Sahib directly targeted the Army Chief again.
03:42And we know that in the last few days,
03:44this demand used to come from you as well,
03:46when people were creating ripples in the middle,
03:48that let's not do this to the army's public criticism,
03:51let's not do this to the state,
03:53the rest of the things will work, the talks will work.
03:55And we saw big developments.
03:57We saw people being pardoned,
03:59we saw your office being open for PTI.
04:01We also felt that CBMs are coming from the other side.
04:05Tell me, Khan Sahib's outburst yesterday,
04:08on which the government is taking a hard line,
04:10and then your demands will come,
04:12the meetings,
04:14I was talking to Mr. Rana Sanawla,
04:16he said that the meetings are not happening just because
04:19the Speaker had to go to Baironimbul all of a sudden,
04:23so maybe he will come in a day or two,
04:25so this is not such a big problem, it will be solved.
04:27This harsh statement by Khan Sahib yesterday,
04:31which has completely changed the atmosphere,
04:33is the government getting an excuse,
04:36and why has Khan Sahib come so suddenly?
04:42Look, I will say that this is an excuse.
04:45This is Khan Sahib's position,
04:47and he is saying that we should move away from all this,
04:51the force, the harshness,
04:53the people who have been harmed,
04:55the people who are lost,
04:57how can they move away from all this?
05:00Look, it is not possible for them to be silent about all this,
05:04they are representatives of the people,
05:07they have to talk about the people,
05:09they have to express the pain of the people,
05:11whatever the negotiations will be,
05:13they will have to keep all this in front of them,
05:15they will have to deny all this.
05:17And on 2nd of August, we had a very good meeting
05:19with the government negotiation team,
05:21it was decided that not once,
05:23but we will be allowed to meet with Imran Khan Sahib again and again.
05:26After that, yesterday was 6th,
05:284 days have passed, nothing has happened,
05:30we were waiting.
05:32So this is something that creates doubts.
05:35And Khan Sahib also felt that
05:37they will take us out,
05:39talk to us about the negotiations,
05:41make us sit at the table,
05:43and leave us in a closed lane.
05:45So such a plan will not be successful.
05:48Look, from both sides,
05:50if we talk with sincerity and sincerity,
05:52then the matter will move forward.
05:54We came with complete sincerity,
05:56our stance for a long time was that
05:58we will not sit with them because they are powerless,
06:00we will talk to the people who have the real power,
06:03but we sat with them,
06:05and we are still ready to sit with them.
06:07I do not reject the negotiations,
06:09or their future,
06:11but it will not happen
06:13that we will throw mud at the past,
06:15the election that was looted,
06:17the martyrdoms,
06:19But in your opinion,
06:21the meeting was a simple thing.
06:23Is the government not doing it,
06:25or are you saying that those who have the power,
06:28they are not letting it happen?
06:30Who is not doing it?
06:34Look, I cannot say anything about this.
06:36That day we got up in the same environment
06:38that the meeting will be held tomorrow,
06:40on the 2nd, when we got up.
06:42So why did this not happen?
06:44The government has to answer this,
06:46not us, ask the government.
06:48I had also said that whatever the meeting is,
06:50we will give our demands in writing,
06:52that we will let the meeting happen once,
06:54so that whatever we have to say,
06:56we can do it with caution.
06:58But Salman, there is also a pattern.
07:00Why was the meeting not allowed?
07:02Now, one thing is that
07:04Mr. Khan's statement comes on this,
07:06everything about the government,
07:08we saw for many weeks,
07:10that when there was backdoor negotiation,
07:12all this,
07:14we saw a different style of statements,
07:16Mr. Khan's focus was on the government.
07:18Suddenly, again, after a long time,
07:20again directly,
07:22taking the name of military leadership,
07:24they have been directed.
07:26This timing,
07:28and especially when negotiations start,
07:30everyone thinks that everyone
07:32will keep a soft approach.
07:34So there can be only two bases,
07:36or confidence,
07:38that I cannot be kept inside,
07:40or frustration,
07:42that these negotiations will not go anywhere.
07:44This targeted criticism has come,
07:46taking the name of the army chief,
07:48this was a pattern break.
07:50I am trying to understand
07:52why this has happened at this time.
07:56Look, your question is
07:58that why did Imran Khan
08:00not keep a soft approach?
08:02Look, he cannot keep a soft approach
08:04because he is a martyr,
08:06this thing is a burden on his mind,
08:08he cannot forget it at all.
08:10After the martyrdom,
08:12there is no question
08:14of keeping a soft approach.
08:16So who is he blaming?
08:18Is he blaming the prime minister
08:20or the army chief?
08:24Look, he is blaming the whole system.
08:26This whole system,
08:28he has blamed the system.
08:30The way you are saying
08:32that he has blamed a single person,
08:34I don't think so.
08:36He has blamed this current system,
08:38that this is a martyr,
08:40he has compared the system
08:42of the past with the system
08:44of the time of Iya Iya Khan.
08:46He is comparing the whole
08:48era with the past.
08:50I take this in this perspective
08:52that his aim was to say
08:54that the freedom,
08:56laws and rules
08:58that are imposed on us today,
09:00the way they have been imposed
09:02on us today,
09:04to find an example of this
09:06we will have to go to the era
09:08of Iya Iya Khan.
09:10The government is overreacting
09:12to the statement of the past
09:14defence minister.
09:16Look, Khawaja Asif was already
09:18giving statements against the negotiations.
09:20He has found an opportunity
09:22to continue
09:24his statements.
09:26It is absolutely clear
09:28that the government
09:30has two people in mind.
09:32Some really want
09:34that the political atmosphere
09:36should improve.
09:38The political atmosphere
09:40should improve for everyone.
09:42The PMLN does not have anything
09:44in their hands right now.
09:46They know this.
09:48When we discuss
09:50in private,
09:52they express this.
09:54They ask us
09:56to work together
09:58to restore the political
10:00atmosphere in this country.
10:02If you think that the PMLN
10:04is negotiating directly
10:06with the government
10:08or indirectly
10:10with the army?
10:12Look,
10:14we do not believe
10:16that the government
10:18will make decisions
10:20without asking.
10:22It is up to them
10:24when they ask,
10:26what they ask,
10:28how much they ask.
10:30They are sitting in the government
10:32offices.
10:34They will decide
10:36the outcome.
10:38We believe that
10:40the government is negotiating
10:42with the government.
10:44If they want to ask
10:46for permission,
10:48they will do so.
10:50Your party keeps insisting
10:52that there were no
10:54backdoor negotiations.
10:56Listen to what
10:58Aleema Khan has said.
11:02I have received an offer
11:04from Bani Ganda.
11:06They said that
11:08it is very difficult
11:10for the committee
11:12to meet Imran Khan.
11:14I do not think
11:16that they are serious.
11:18My brother has been in jail
11:20for more than a year.
11:22If they wanted
11:24to backdoor,
11:26they should have
11:28negotiated
11:30with Bani Ganda.
11:32They said that
11:34Ali Ameen Gandapur
11:36had brought an offer
11:38from Bani Gala.
11:40They said that
11:42Ali Ameen Gandapur
11:44had brought an offer
11:46from Bani Gala.
11:48Ali Ameen Gandapur
11:50had brought an offer
11:52from Bani Gala.
11:54I do not think
11:56that they are serious.
11:58Ali Ameen Gandapur
12:00may have said that
12:02if this happens,
12:04then what is your reaction?
12:06He said that
12:08he would not go to Bani Gala
12:10until the matter is resolved.
12:12We know his reaction.
12:14He would not agree to it.
12:16We know his nature and style.
12:18He would turn it down.
12:20But he was asked
12:22categorically
12:24who brought the offer
12:26from Bani Gala.
12:28Do you think that
12:30Ali Ameen Gandapur
12:32is unofficial?
12:34Of course,
12:36Ali Ameen Gandapur
12:38is the Chief Minister.
12:40These are things
12:42that are not an unofficial offer.
12:44It is possible that
12:46Ali Ameen said
12:48that if this happens,
12:50then what is your reaction?
12:52I do not think
12:54that Ali Ameen Gandapur
12:56is unofficial.
12:58Ali Ameen Gandapur
13:00did not meet anyone
13:02in Peshawar.
13:04Whatever will happen,
13:06will happen through the
13:08Muzakirati team.
13:10Ali Ameen Gandapur
13:12will deliver his message
13:14through the Muzakirati team.
13:16How serious do you think
13:18the Muzakirati team is?
13:20The whole process
13:22is going on.
13:24The Speaker's office
13:26is not responding to us.
13:28Do you see anything serious
13:30in this?
13:34I do not completely
13:36reject it.
13:38Obviously,
13:40the process
13:42that we thought
13:44would work,
13:46did not work.
13:48The deadline is 31 January.
13:50There is no need
13:52to make a commission
13:54to release people.
13:56There is no need
13:58to make a big deal.
14:00You will create an environment
14:02based on which
14:04you will be able
14:06to make big decisions
14:08for the country.
14:10These two things
14:12are fundamental.
14:14This will not be
14:16the end of Muzakirat.
14:18Let me understand the deadline.
14:20You are saying that
14:22if by 31 January,
14:24the government does not agree
14:26to make a judicial commission
14:28on 9th May and 26th November
14:30and on the fact
14:32that we will allow
14:34the bails of all the leaders
14:36and workers in the May 9th cases.
14:38If there is no agreement
14:40on both these things,
14:42will you end the negotiations
14:44on 31 January?
14:46This is how it is.
14:48We will decide
14:50how we will proceed.
14:52We will see
14:54what politics will happen,
14:56what will be the discussion
14:58and what will be the protest.
15:00We are sitting here
15:02with the intention
15:04that we will remove
15:06the complaint of the government
15:08and your friends
15:10that you do not talk.
15:12There was a lot of talk
15:14about the American change
15:16and the Biden administration
15:18which was very hostile
15:20to the government.
15:22Trump administration
15:24will be a favourable
15:26and will not be hostile
15:28and will intervene
15:30on human rights issues.
15:32A reporter from Jio
15:34sent a questionnaire
15:36to the State Department.
15:38The State Department
15:40is saying that
15:42whatever decisions will be made
15:44will be decided
15:46by the courts of Pakistan
15:48and will be decided
15:50by the courts of Pakistan
15:52and will be decided
15:54by the courts of Pakistan.
15:56This is the excitement
15:58that was created
16:00by the involvement
16:02of the US and Washington.
16:04What can be the answer
16:06of a foreign government
16:08other than this?
16:10All the political engagements
16:12will be held in Pakistan
16:14on the streets,
16:16in the courts
16:18and on the table.
16:20I am asking you
16:22because when
16:24Richard Grenell's tweet
16:26came,
16:28he was retweeted
16:30in lakhs
16:32and everyone was very excited
16:34that Richard Grenell
16:36is coming and he is
16:38He is connected to me.
16:40In fact, a very senior American diplomat himself told me,
16:43I asked him, how seriously should we take Grenell?
16:46He said, take him seriously.
16:48He is a very good friend of President Trump's younger son.
16:51So, I was understanding the excitement.
16:54So, if there was so much excitement on a Richard Grenell tweet,
16:57then it won't be a dampener because of the State Department,
17:00that you people think it was a standard question, a standard answer.
17:03See, the State Department has given an answer in accordance with the book of standards.
17:11If you ask this question to any government or send an email,
17:14then you will get the same answer.
17:16And okay, there is nothing wrong with this answer.
17:20But whatever political issues there are,
17:23we will resolve them at the political level.
17:25And what is the attitude?
17:27Tomorrow, if a tweet from Grenell comes again,
17:29will the situation change?
17:31We should not follow these tweets, nor should we follow the standard answers.
17:36Our current situation here, the country that is going,
17:40the state of the economy.
17:42See, we say that the economy is stable.
17:44Where is it stable?
17:46No, no, now it is far from stable.
17:48Now, let's talk about the downward slide.
17:51On zero percent growth,
17:53the young people who come to the job market every year,
17:59you do not give them jobs.
18:01Seven percent of the people,
18:03one and a quarter million people have gone below the poverty line.
18:06So that is a reality in its own right.
18:08Okay, tell me, the case that is going on,
18:10of the I.N.I. Bench.
18:12You cannot move forward.
18:14The I.N.I. Bench case is going on,
18:16on the military trial of civilians.
18:18In that, the statements that we are hearing,
18:20they seem very positive.
18:22Judges seem to have a typical style.
18:25If you look at the observations,
18:27you can see that the I.N.I. Bench
18:29is moving closer to your point of view.
18:31Do you expect that the I.N.I. Bench
18:33will actually make a decision according to the I.N.I. Bench?
18:39Mr. Khas Khan says that it is Mr. Faiz Issa's continuation.
18:42And the work that is left to be done by Mr. Faiz Issa,
18:44has to be done through him.
18:46Should we take these comments seriously,
18:48or is it going to be the same thing
18:50that is a threat to you?
18:53Look, since I am presenting this case
18:55in front of you,
18:57it will not be right for me to say anything.
18:59But the general thing is that
19:01we have a strong objection
19:03to the establishment of the 26th I.N.I. Bench.
19:05We understand that the way
19:07this bench is being made,
19:09the way the judges are being elected,
19:11the majority of the 7th and 6th
19:13benches are being formed
19:15by 13 members of the Judicial Commission.
19:17And the government,
19:19with the government,
19:21if one judge of the same bench
19:23is elected,
19:25the bench is formed,
19:27the judges are appointed
19:29in the High Courts.
19:31So this whole system
19:33is now in the grip of the government.
19:35And the appointment of judges
19:37is a big question mark.
19:39Let me rephrase my question quickly.
19:41How optimistic are you
19:43that the Judicial Bench
19:45will decide
19:47that civilians cannot be trialed
19:49on a scale of 1 to 10?
19:51How optimistic are you?
19:53Well, I would say
19:55that if I were to talk
19:57only about the law and the constitution,
19:59then I would say 10.
20:01But it is obvious that
20:03in our country,
20:05there is a shadow on every action.
20:07This is obvious.
20:09Salman, on the basis of ground realities,
20:11what is your opinion?
20:13I think that
20:15there is a 50% chance
20:17that this bench will have to be removed.
20:19And it should not be accepted
20:21that civilians or
20:23in-civilians could be trialed
20:25in the military courts.
20:27I think there will be
20:29a middle way.
20:31Although, in my opinion,
20:33this is all irregular.
20:35Thank you very much.
20:37Thank you for your time.
20:39Let's take a break.
20:41After the break,
20:43Mr. Sanaullah will tell us
20:45some interesting things.
20:47In this segment,
20:49we have with us Mr. Rana Sanaullah.
20:51Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Rana.
20:53Wa-Alaikum-Salam.
20:55Mr. Rana, it is said that
20:57when negotiations start,
20:59the choice of words is very important.
21:01We have to see how serious
21:03both sides are with their talks.
21:05You are not allowing
21:07us to meet.
21:09That day, you gave a lot of guarantees
21:11that we will meet and
21:13we will meet in writing.
21:15You say that we will meet in writing
21:17and then we will start
21:19negotiations.
21:21There has been a severe reaction to that.
21:23Fawad Chaudhry says that
21:25if a government cannot meet
21:27the Negotiating Committee,
21:29then why talk to such political parties
21:31who do not have the right to meet?
21:33If there is even a little bit of honor,
21:35then they should leave the office.
21:37But there is no such problem.
21:39Senator Faisal says that
21:41despite repeated guarantees,
21:43this is an indication of the
21:45power of the government.
21:47This will be today's reaction.
21:49Yesterday, Mr. Khan gave
21:51a very smoky statement.
21:53As I said, we thought that
21:55the atmosphere was good.
21:57Now the talks will continue.
21:59He has read it. He said that
22:01Shahbaz Sharif is only
22:03a puppet of General Asim Munir.
22:05More powerful than him
22:07was Shaukat Aziz in the Musharraf era.
22:09Then he said that he was
22:11either of Shahbaz Sharif or
22:13Zia-ul-Haq.
22:17After a long time,
22:19he took the name and
22:21attacked the army chief again.
22:23Then the Defense Minister
22:25gave an interview on television.
22:27Let's listen to it.
22:29What did Khawaja Asif say?
22:33Yesterday, the tweets
22:35related to BTI
22:37and Imran Khan
22:39and the talks they have
22:41I think that
22:43these talks
22:45will be an unachievable
22:47exercise.
22:49When talks start,
22:51the way in which
22:53you are doing the talks,
22:55if you use this language
22:57against them,
22:59then I think
23:01your sincerity
23:03is not present.
23:05Khawaja Asif said
23:07that there is no need for
23:09any more talks.
23:11Irfan Siddiqui also
23:13said that he wants
23:15to release the people
23:17from the executive order.
23:19So, there are
23:21translations of the talks.
23:23Let's start with Khawaja Asif.
23:25Did Khawaja Asif
23:27really think
23:29that there is no benefit
23:31and it is unachievable?
23:33Why did Khawaja Asif
23:35make such a strict statement?
23:41Why did Khawaja Asif
23:43make such a strict statement?
23:45Only those who have made
23:47such a statement
23:49can explain it.
23:51It is unfortunate.
23:53What Khawaja Asif said
23:55is absolutely correct.
23:57His assessment is
23:59that when the talks
24:01start,
24:03both the parties
24:05and especially the leadership
24:07of both the parties
24:09because everyone knows
24:11that the PTI team
24:13will not decide
24:15a word with us
24:17until it is approved
24:19by Mr. Imran Khan.
24:21So, at this level,
24:23the selection of words
24:25should be done
24:27in such a way
24:29that the limits
24:31and restrictions
24:33are towards
24:35mutual understanding.
24:37So,
24:39what he has said
24:41is after a long time
24:43and
24:45he has done it
24:47in such a way that
24:49either he has no interest
24:51in discussions
24:53or he does not want
24:55any discussions.
24:57If someone
24:59demands
25:01respect from us
25:03then
25:05even if
25:07there was a group
25:09then
25:11they should have
25:13resigned.
25:15So, the matter is that
25:17in democracy
25:19or in a parliamentary
25:21democratic system
25:23there should be
25:25political dialogue
25:27and it keeps happening.
25:29It can never stop.
25:31Even now,
25:33if it is not done
25:35in the way
25:37it was supposed to be done
25:39then in some other way
25:41what do you think
25:43in the last 8 or 9 months
25:45there has been no discussion
25:47in this?
25:49I am a witness to the fact that
25:51in the speaker's chamber
25:53there are discussions
25:55on the same day.
25:57Everything is discussed there.
25:59Things are settled.
26:01Standing committees
26:03legislation issues
26:05and many other things
26:07are discussed
26:09there.
26:11And from there
26:13this concept arose
26:15which was
26:17led by the speaker
26:19or Sadiq
26:21that if we can talk
26:23about the other issues
26:25of the chairmen of the standing committee
26:27and the membership of the standing committee
26:29we can sit here
26:31and decide
26:33then why can't we talk
26:35about the national issues?
26:37So, it was said that
26:39yes, this should be done.
26:41It was said
26:43that this should be done.
26:45There were other discussions
26:47going on behind the scenes.
26:49Gauhar had also said that
26:51behind the scenes there are discussions
26:53going on.
26:55But it was a simple thing.
26:57If you have such a good intention
26:59as a government,
27:01why don't you get the standing committee
27:03to meet them?
27:05You also say in English
27:07walk the talk.
27:09You say that Imran Khan should not talk.
27:11You don't get a meeting
27:13of his delegation.
27:15The thing is
27:17last time he said
27:19we should get a meeting
27:21so that we can inform you
27:23about our demands.
27:25Before that he said
27:27that in the first meeting
27:29we will give you
27:31all our demands
27:33in black and white.
27:35In the second meeting
27:37he said we should get another meeting.
27:39So, this meeting
27:41or the rest of the arrangements
27:43or the dates of the meeting
27:45are decided by
27:47the Speaker, Assembly
27:49or Mr. Sadiq.
27:51Now,
27:53the day of the meeting
27:55I was informed
27:57that
27:59one of his relatives
28:01had an emergency
28:03medical issue
28:05and he has gone abroad.
28:07This emergency happens
28:09with every country.
28:11If we ask him
28:13why he has gone abroad
28:15we don't know
28:17whether he has
28:19spoken to anyone
28:21or not.
28:23If he comes back
28:25tomorrow or the day after
28:27and if he doesn't get time
28:29to convey anything
28:31he will do it.
28:33Mr. Khanna,
28:35I think
28:37politics is more important
28:39than this.
28:41We have never had
28:43such important negotiations
28:45in the past.
28:47You are asking me
28:49whether the Speaker
28:51has made a phone call
28:53or not.
28:55This is a matter of telephone
28:57and anyone can talk to him.
28:59If the Speaker goes abroad
29:01for two weeks
29:03for his own reasons
29:05will the whole country
29:07stop breathing
29:09until the Speaker
29:11makes a phone call?
29:13I think this is
29:15incomprehensible.
29:17No, this is incomprehensible
29:19because the meeting
29:21he is talking about
29:23was a request
29:25from the Speaker.
29:27The Speaker himself was
29:29arranging the meeting.
29:31The Speaker had
29:33given some conditions
29:35for the meeting
29:37to take place.
29:41He had to discuss
29:43all these things.
29:45If he couldn't make
29:47a phone call
29:49then it is possible
29:51that the meeting
29:53will not take place.
29:55The conditions
29:57were very simple.
29:59He said that
30:01when the meeting
30:03takes place
30:05the Prime Minister
30:07or anyone else
30:09can make a phone call.
30:11I genuinely appreciate
30:13what you are saying
30:15but I don't understand
30:17why this is such a big issue.
30:19Are you not getting
30:21clarity from somewhere else?
30:23No, there is no clarity
30:25in this matter.
30:27The people who were
30:29responsible for this
30:31can tell us about it.
30:33We have come to know
30:35that they are foreigners.
30:37We contact them
30:39and ask them
30:41if they have
30:43abused anyone.
30:45If they want to come back
30:47and handle this matter
30:49then they can do so.
30:51In the last two weeks
30:53or fifteen days
30:55they have decided
30:57whether to give you
30:59a written statement
31:01or not.
31:03I think they have
31:05decided not to give you
31:07a written statement.
31:09If they have decided
31:11not to give you a written statement
31:13then what difference
31:15will it make
31:17if the Speaker
31:19has to go to an emergency?
31:21Why is a written statement
31:23necessary?
31:25Mr. Khan and Imran Khan
31:27have said that
31:29every leader of their party
31:31has said this.
31:33Why is a written statement
31:35necessary?
31:37Why is the government
31:39so interested in this?
31:41They have said that
31:43the release of the prisoners
31:45and the judicial commission
31:47on 9th May and 26th May
31:49and those who are called
31:51political prisoners
31:53are the people of criminal cases.
31:55These are their demands.
31:57Tell me
31:59which commission
32:01do you want on 26th May?
32:03The judicial commission
32:05on 9th May and 26th May.
32:07Sorry, on 26th November.
32:09On 9th May and 26th November
32:11and the release of the prisoners.
32:13No, listen to me.
32:15Let's come to this first.
32:17They want a judicial commission
32:19on 9th May and 26th May.
32:21Let's make a judicial commission
32:23and we will make a TOR
32:25and we will make a judicial commission.
32:27You take the responsibility
32:29that they will accept it.
32:31You can negotiate
32:33in the meeting.
32:35You have to discuss
32:37what TOR will be.
32:39The matter is
32:41that
32:43if they
32:45want a judicial commission
32:47only on
32:499th May and
32:5126th November
32:53then
32:55what TORs will be
32:57under which law
32:59and what will be the
33:01jurisdiction of the inquiry commission.
33:03All these things
33:05are their demands.
33:07The only demand is
33:09that there should be a judicial commission
33:11on 9th May and 26th November.
33:13Have you ever talked
33:15while walking
33:17that if you want to do it
33:19then do it and if not then
33:21we are going to do it.
33:23So you are saying
33:25that all these things
33:27are their demands.
33:29They say that
33:31Dr. Yasmeen Rashid
33:33and other people
33:35like Ijaz Chaudhary
33:37and other workers
33:39should be allowed to come out.
33:41No one is saying that
33:43the cases should be closed.
33:45They are saying that
33:47the cases should be released.
33:49We can make the list
33:51ourselves.
33:53Who will give us the list?
33:57Or they will
33:59remind us in a meeting
34:01verbally that
34:03these are their workers
34:05and these are politicians
34:07and these are non-politicians.
34:09The matter is that
34:11insisting on this
34:13that we will give it in writing
34:15is not right.
34:17Have you ever
34:19had such discussions?
34:21When
34:23the discussions
34:25are going to start
34:27then the issues
34:29are going to be discussed.
34:31You have to sort out those issues.
34:33The Judicial Commission is not an issue.
34:35What will be the TORs of the Judicial Commission?
34:37What will be the powers of the Judicial Commission?
34:39Who will be the people
34:41in the Judicial Commission?
34:43They have said that Senior Most Judge
34:45will be appointed.
34:47It is not that you can
34:49appoint a judge
34:51as per your wish.
34:53You can take one or two
34:55Judges from the top three
34:57Judges.
34:59You can write their names
35:01and give it to them.
35:03You can write their names
35:05and give it to them.
35:07You can write their names
35:09and give it to them.
35:11You can write their names
35:13and give it to them.
35:15You can write their names
35:17and give it to them.
35:19You can write their names
35:21and give it to them.
35:23You can take them.
35:25You don't have to
35:27make a second Judge.
35:29You haven't even given
35:31the Chief Justice a name.
35:33You haven't even let
35:35anyone in the eyewear.
35:37You are very cruel.
35:39Malik sir
35:41The talks can only go on in a deadlock, not in a deadlock.
35:45Whether or not the talks go on or not, the way the talks are going on,
35:52when Gaur Khan Sahib came from Peshawar in a plane, why did he come?
35:58Rana sahib, tell me one thing.
36:00First, let me correct the sequence.
36:04I would like to know how the bottleneck will be removed.
36:08Talks happen, committees are formed, committees meet,
36:13then next week they meet, committees say, you say give a rating,
36:17they say okay, let us meet Bani, we meet and give in writing.
36:21Leave everything else.
36:23Now they are not meeting, the Speaker has gone abroad,
36:27he must have gone for legal reasons.
36:29Now the whole problem is with you people,
36:31because if you get a meeting immediately,
36:35then you can say that they are making excuses,
36:37now they have a legitimate demand,
36:39the committee has said, and everyone has made big promises,
36:42you have also said, Irfan Siddiqui has said,
36:44everyone has said that there should be a legitimate demand for a meeting.
36:47A simple meeting is not happening,
36:49now you are putting all the blame on those people,
36:51this is also injustice, isn't it?
36:54No, look, this is just the reason for the Speaker's absence.
36:58If the Speaker is present here, then the meeting can also take place,
37:03or if there is any conflict in this,
37:05then the Speaker is also aware of it,
37:07he will tell, that this is the issue,
37:10the way you have spoken,
37:12that look, there is an attitude during a meeting,
37:17whatever attitude you have in your heart,
37:21but that attitude should be at least there.
37:24You are a member of that committee,
37:26you are among the senior people of PMLM,
37:29you have a lot of weight in your opinion,
37:32with the Prime Minister, with Nawaz Sharif,
37:35you are saying that you also don't have any idea,
37:38that you didn't know about the Speaker's absence,
37:40you didn't know when he would come,
37:42and there is no second that he has delegated anyone,
37:46this seems like a very strange situation,
37:49that the government is taking these talks very casually.
37:53No, look, these talks are in your knowledge,
37:58that this committee was also formed on the initiative of the Speaker,
38:02he is heading this committee,
38:06so this was his responsibility,
38:11he had to resolve this matter,
38:14so as soon as he comes back,
38:18or if there is a contact with him,
38:20then it will be known,
38:22there will be a meeting,
38:24he met people today,
38:26he is a member of Raja Salman Akram's committee,
38:31what is it that he couldn't do,
38:33everyone had to do it together,
38:36so this is a point scoring,
38:39but let's go.
38:41We have a short break here,
38:43we have to ask Mr. Irana a couple of interesting questions,
38:45please stay with us.
38:51Welcome back to the show.
38:53Leema Bibi has given a shocking news,
38:56she said that Ali Ameen Gandapur had brought an offer,
39:00he told Khan Sahib that it is an offer to transfer Bani Gala to Khan Sahib,
39:04and Khan Sahib refused it.
39:07So was this an offer from the government or someone else?
39:12Whose offer did he bring?
39:15I have never met Mr. Gandapur,
39:22if I have met him, it was in a meeting,
39:26with Prime Minister, as far as I know,
39:30I have met him in meetings,
39:34I don't have a one to one meeting with him,
39:40if I have met him, it was with Mohsin Naqvi,
39:44I don't know who offered this to him.
39:47Mohsin Naqvi, I think you are the only one who has an interior minister in the government,
39:52he has connections in many places.
39:55You can find out and let us know.
40:00So you think Mohsin Naqvi could have offered this to him?
40:07I have mentioned meetings,
40:10I have met him,
40:13I don't even have a meeting with him.
40:17So we did not offer him anything,
40:21but if Mr. Naqvi has done it,
40:24then he can either confirm it himself,
40:27or Mr. Gandapur can do it.
40:30Rana Sahib, you talk about between the lines excellence,
40:33I always give you 100 marks for this,
40:36it is amazing what you say.
40:39Tell me realistically, what do you think about these negotiations?
40:43Will these committees be played?
40:46And what is Mr. Khan's statement,
40:49such a harsh statement,
40:52is it not that he has a lot of confidence,
40:55that you cannot keep him inside for a long time,
40:58even though this case is of 190 million,
41:01he says he has been put under pressure.
41:04Is this his confidence,
41:07that you cannot keep him as long as his support base is there.
41:10Is this why the attitude is so harsh, or is there some other reason?
41:13Look, if there is a reason for this harsh attitude,
41:21then I think it is wrong.
41:24If he has confidence, then he should have confidence.
41:28Confidence is very important to get out of jail,
41:31without it you cannot get out of jail.
41:34But if he has made a committee for negotiations,
41:37then he should not have given such statements,
41:40and should not have damaged that matter.
41:47And if he has made this committee out of the blue,
41:51or after making the committee,
41:54he regrets that this should not have happened,
41:59then it is fine.
42:02If the committees do not negotiate,
42:05then the negotiations are going on.
42:08This happened on 24th November, 25th November, 26th November,
42:13and even before that,
42:168 months in the Speaker's chamber,
42:19or in the Speaker's house,
42:22I have also been there a few times.
42:25So, these things are going on.
42:31But if they are negotiated, then it is better.
42:37We thought that they should be negotiated.
42:41These news,
42:43there are meetings of Bushra Bibi,
42:46and such things happen.
42:49Do you know anything about this?
42:54Which meetings?
42:56The meetings of Bushra Bibi,
42:59there are news about it.
43:04No, I think that,
43:07what Aleema Khan Sahiba said yesterday,
43:12and she said it in reference to Imran Khan,
43:16that apart from the Negotiating Committee,
43:19we have no contact.
43:22I think that is more correct.
43:25So, should we ask this question to Mohsin Naqvi?
43:28So, should we ask this question to Mohsin Naqvi?
43:32Okay, if you don't want to ask him,
43:34then you can ask Ali Mir Ghannapur.
43:37It can be asked to both of them.
43:39Ali Mir Ghannapur has been named by Aleema Khan Sahiba,
43:42so I think you should call him.
43:45Okay, last question.
43:47Realistically, if I ask you,
43:49you have experience and you understand all this,
43:52in 1 to 100,
43:54how much chance do you have,
43:56that the negotiations will start,
43:59and something will be decided,
44:02which is acceptable?
44:04How much chance do you have of success?
44:07Look, this is an attempt,
44:10and this attempt has been started by the Speaker,
44:17and he has been successful in starting it,
44:20and he has already started it.
44:22Now, how does he want to move forward?
44:27Now, there are two things in this,
44:29one is meeting,
44:31and the other is to keep his demands in front of the committee in writing.
44:37Now, as far as these two things are concerned,
44:40I think that these two things are very ordinary things.
44:43There is no harm in writing them down,
44:45and there is no harm in meeting them.
44:47And I have also tried to contact the Speaker.
44:53So, as soon as he comes back,
44:55or he contacts him,
44:56then this thing will be cleared.
44:58But he says that there is also a deadline for this January.
45:04Well, if the first meetings were to be held on a day-off,
45:09then they will be held a little earlier.
45:11This issue will take more than two to three meetings.
45:19But you did not answer my question.
45:21I said, realistically...
45:22In two meetings, we will know whether the matter will move forward or not.
45:25In reality, how many percent do you think is possible
45:28that something can be decided?
45:31Generally, how many percent do you think is possible?
45:35I think that these kinds of matters are 50-50.
45:40They can be settled, or they cannot be settled.
45:44But the thing is that it has to be settled.
45:46If it is not settled now, then in six months, two years,
45:49it will be settled.
45:51In the end, it has to be settled sitting down.
45:57It cannot be settled on the streets.
46:00It cannot be settled on the streets.
46:03It has to be settled sitting down.
46:06If it is not settled now, then in the future,
46:09it will be settled at some other time.
46:11But I think that there should be engagement between the political forces.
46:18There should be a window open between them.
46:21It should not be closed.
46:23There should be a dialogue.
46:26If there is no dialogue, then there should be no dialogue.
46:29But there should be a dialogue.
46:31I have more expectations than there is a dialogue.
46:33I have less expectations than there is a dialogue.
46:35Here, you have given a very liberal chance of 50-50.
46:39You are saying 50-50 very optimistically.
46:41Mr. Rajan, thank you very much for giving us time, as always.
46:44Mr. Rajan, you heard what he said.
46:46He says 50-50, but I think his answer was the most interesting.
46:49Who took the offer to Mr. Gandapur?
46:53Who must have given the offer?
46:55You can ask Mr. Mohsin Nafi.
46:57And you know who Mr. Mohsin Nafi will ask.
47:02I take your leave. Allah Hafiz.