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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is facing challenges from the government as well as Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:07The situation is such that no one is able to understand who to trust.
00:11The government is not ready to trust Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:14Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman is not ready to trust the government.
00:17And Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is not ready to trust the government.
00:20And the government is not ready to trust Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:23And the government is not ready to trust Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:26Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman is not ready to trust the government.
00:29And Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is not ready to trust the government.
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04:05Let's listen to Mr. Kaisar.
04:35Let's listen to Mr. Kaisar.
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05:57Let's listen to Mr. Kaisar.
05:59First of all,
06:01the joint panelled discussions
06:03led by Mizza Kharan Khan
06:05are to be open
06:07on 9th & 26th
06:09as per the senior
06:11judge Commandments
06:13for a High Power
06:15Judicial Commission.
06:17and while closing up
06:19various talks
06:21last two years,
06:23there has been
06:25transmission of
06:27in person, on the floor of the house.
06:29The whole world, especially the government,
06:31kept telling us that you don't do
06:33Muzakirat, we want to do Muzakirat,
06:35sit with us.
06:37A time has come,
06:39and this is not the first time,
06:41people may not do a little research,
06:43I sat in a lot of talk shows today,
06:45that this is not the first time.
06:47Khan sahib was always for Muzakirat.
06:49Khan sahib, seven months ago,
06:51your channel also reported,
06:53Khan sahib nominated three people,
06:55that if somebody
06:57talks about Muzakirat,
06:59people from different parties
07:01come forward,
07:03and become self-imposed spokespersons,
07:05and to avoid them,
07:07Khan sahib nominated
07:09three people,
07:11six or seven months ago also,
07:13if someone wants to talk,
07:15talk to these people.
07:17Again, after 24,
07:19this five-member committee was formed,
07:21the doors of Muzakirat were opened,
07:23and this is the situation
07:25that is emerging,
07:27and the article 245 that the government
07:29invoked, which we thought was legal,
07:31and we will also take legal action on it,
07:33while doing this,
07:35they conspired to put the institutions
07:37and the people in front of us,
07:39and the results of that,
07:41which can spoil the situation tomorrow,
07:43according to that,
07:45Khan sahib thought that
07:47it is better that we open it,
07:49it is not necessarily the government,
07:51we don't know,
07:55it meant concerned quarters,
07:57and that can be anybody.
07:59So, Sheikh sahib, are you saying,
08:01for my understanding,
08:03tell me,
08:05are you still saying that it is not the government,
08:07we will talk to the establishment,
08:09we want to talk to the establishment,
08:11because the last time,
08:13the establishment was very clear,
08:15that we don't want to talk to the government,
08:17they are puppets,
08:19and sometimes I run that trail,
08:21but then we wanted to talk to the establishment.
08:23So, if you will listen to me,
08:25I will tell you,
08:27our point is that,
08:29this government is on the head of the establishment,
08:31if today the establishment
08:33raises its hand on the head of the government,
08:35in two hours, they will not know,
08:37where the Punjab government is,
08:39and where the federal government is.
08:41So, when I say concerned quarters,
08:43that means it is not one party,
08:45it is all the concerned parties,
08:47but without the concerned parties,
08:49we cannot even talk, what are you saying?
08:51Ok, let's go, you are saying that
08:53without the concerned parties,
08:55we cannot even talk,
08:57yesterday Rana Sanaullah sahib said in my show,
08:59that when there will be a discussion,
09:01we will make the establishment sit with us,
09:03we will not take permission from them,
09:05but we will make them sit with us.
09:07Obviously, they will tell you,
09:09that they will take permission.
09:11I am telling you,
09:13don't shoot the messenger,
09:15So, this means that
09:17now it is not just the establishment
09:19who has to get ready,
09:21and the establishment has given a very clear message,
09:23that we should not talk,
09:25politicians should talk to each other.
09:27So, now what?
09:29We are at a standstill?
09:31See, the thing is,
09:33we have opened the doors of negotiations.
09:35If somebody would like to talk,
09:37that from now on,
09:39the matters should not get worse,
09:41and the Khaliji who has tried to create,
09:43and our people have been martyred,
09:45and shot,
09:47it can have many consequences.
09:49Just that you kill our people,
09:51and give us these FIRs,
09:53they don't need to be so smart,
09:55to think that things will be suppressed.
09:57Ok, tell me,
09:59you have also said,
10:01that it can have consequences.
10:03You must have heard about Ali Meen Gandapur,
10:05I have made the shots run,
10:07you have also heard that.
10:09What should be understood about this?
10:11See, Ali Ameen,
10:13I am not saying anything like this.
10:15He has given you an example,
10:17that in the countries,
10:19where there is such violence,
10:21then there,
10:23he said that there are such examples,
10:25this happens.
10:27So, you should not do this.
10:29You should not force the Pakistani people like this.
10:31Because your actions,
10:33they can take people to that side.
10:35The people are there,
10:37the people are not someone's servants,
10:39if you do this on people,
10:41then it is difficult to control people,
10:43people do not stay in the control of the parties.
10:45So, he gave an example of other countries,
10:47that this happened there too.
10:49So, the actions of your government,
10:51which they have done wrong,
10:53which they have shot their own people,
10:55they have killed their own people,
10:57they have martyred their own people,
10:59this should be taken care of.
11:01I always say this.
11:03Now you clarify this again.
11:05I want this to be 100% clear.
11:07Now, who do you want to talk to?
11:21So, now tell me,
11:23you said,
11:25any concerned quarter that can deliver.
11:27And you are saying that the government cannot deliver.
11:29So, join these things and see,
11:31mathematically extrapolate.
11:33I will join and tell you directly,
11:35I don't know why I am clarifying you again and again.
11:37I want to hear it from your mouth, Mr. Sheikh.
11:39Because I have made it very clear.
11:41I have said that the government cannot talk
11:43without the will of the establishment.
11:45You have confirmed my point.
11:47You said, Rana Sanaullah said,
11:49that it is necessary to save the establishment.
11:51Obviously, he will say with his own mouth,
11:53that we will push them.
11:55So, this is the way and this is the method.
11:57Okay, you have clarified that you also want to talk from there.
11:59Now tell me,
12:01why is Mr. Khan so angry
12:03at the media leadership?
12:05The news that comes,
12:07which Mr. Khan talks to his people,
12:09and the people come out and talk,
12:11and which is talked to the journalists.
12:13Mr. Sheikh, are you not able to meet
12:15their expectations?
12:17Look, the thing is that
12:19there are many channels like yours,
12:21which have their own newspapers.
12:23Because Mr. Khan does not have access
12:25to all the channels, to the TV channels.
12:27So, there are some newspapers,
12:29in which reporting has been going on for the past 2-3 days,
12:31but the PTI standpoint,
12:33and the PTI things are not being reported.
12:35Even our press conferences
12:37are not being shown and told.
12:39Here, a counsellor,
12:41his cow is released,
12:43and news is going on on your channel.
12:45You are sitting there, and you are saying
12:47that your words are not being heard.
12:49What are you saying, Mr. Sheikh?
12:51I am talking about your press conference.
12:53You have to make the people of the opposition sit.
12:55You cannot just tell the story of the government.
12:57No, we will not even want to tell that.
12:59We would like to be, and we would want to be objective.
13:01So, I am saying that your people's cars
13:03do come to the press conferences,
13:05but they are not being shown.
13:07We have done it in the press conferences.
13:09You are saying that if you want proof,
13:11we will give it to you.
13:13So, the purpose of saying this was that
13:15such reporting was done,
13:17that if I was in Mr. Khan's place,
13:19I would have said the same thing.
13:21He would have complained,
13:23that what is happening?
13:25Because such reporting was done.
13:27Yes, of course, it was done.
13:29Why wasn't it done?
13:31What was Mr. Khan's reaction?
13:33A journalist asked him,
13:35that do you not have confidence
13:37in your leadership?
13:39He said, no, no, it is not like that at all.
13:41I have complete confidence in them.
13:43He said, but the complaint he made
13:45was absolutely correct.
13:47If I was there, I would have done the same.
13:49I think that as soon as the access
13:51of all people will be opened,
13:53because now hundreds of MLAs, MPs,
13:55and other people are going,
13:57the officials cannot go,
13:59the agreements have been made,
14:01some have not been made,
14:03some have been caught with the agreement.
14:05So, there is a problem of access.
14:07And if I was there, I would have said the same.
14:09So, every word of Mr. Khan is on us.
14:11And every person in the party should
14:13either go if they are not getting
14:15on that expedition,
14:17or get on Khan's expedition.
14:19You know that Faisal Wada Sahib
14:21is saying that we have to save Mr. Khan,
14:23and he is repeatedly pointing
14:25towards his wife.
14:27Now, what is the stance of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
14:29on this, Sheikh Sahib?
14:31This is a very serious charge.
14:33I think that this is a very
14:35disgusting thing,
14:37that you are dragging
14:39people's families
14:41in this way.
14:43And I don't even want to answer
14:45that conversation.
14:47Those are such useless things.
14:49Getting Mr. Khan released,
14:51Mr. Khan is the leader of crores of people.
14:53Mr. Khan doesn't need Faisal Wada's
14:55blessing or Faisal Wada's help.
14:57Mr. Khan has been offering
14:59deals from the establishment
15:01to this government for a whole year.
15:03If Mr. Khan had to take a deal,
15:05what do you think?
15:07Did Mr. Khan need any Wada?
15:09So, I would tell him to keep his account,
15:11to make his own calculations.
15:13Imran Khan or Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
15:15doesn't need anyone's help.
15:17These are crores of people.
15:19If Mr. Khan had to take a deal,
15:21he could have ordered a plane like Nawaz Sharif.
15:23It's not like that.
15:25But Khan has made a sacrifice
15:27for the children of this nation,
15:29for the people.
15:31And this murder
15:33has exposed
15:35the real face of Yazidis.
15:37Let me say that
15:39a neutral judicial commission
15:41should be formed.
15:43You are also demanding
15:45that we don't shoot.
15:47This should be clarified.
15:49There should be a neutral ground.
15:51This has to be done.
15:53Yes.
16:15I am talking about you.
16:17Listen to me.
16:19The Deputy Prime Minister
16:21has been making a narrative
16:23for the past 10 days
16:25through TV, social media,
16:27anchors.
16:29Tell that fool
16:31that the Deputy Prime Minister
16:33said that there has been aerial firing.
16:35If the bullets don't fire,
16:37they have reached the point of aerial firing.
16:41I am saying that
16:43these things should be done
16:45on a neutral ground.
16:47I don't think that this should stay in the dark.
16:49There are discussions going on with the JUI.
16:51But the JUI has asked
16:53the PTI to decide
16:55which thing
16:57they have to decide and move forward.
16:59Because we are unsure.
17:01The government is also saying that
17:03we don't know what the PTI wants.
17:05A leader comes and talks.
17:07Khan says something else.
17:09Everything gets rolled back.
17:11Tell me, are you all on the same page?
17:13Yes, we are all on the same page.
17:15This committee is made by Khan.
17:17The day the committee is made,
17:19if you look at my program
17:21one day earlier,
17:23I said that people are going to
17:25our martyrs' funeral.
17:27People are going there for their victory.
17:29Even that hasn't happened yet.
17:31And you are talking about negotiations.
17:33As a party, we were so strict
17:35on one position.
17:37But Khan said that
17:39whatever they have done,
17:41and the environment that is going to be created
17:43because of the firing,
17:45I will open the door of the PTI.
17:47So I think that
17:49this committee is made by Khan.
17:51They are handpicked people.
17:53They have all the backing of Imran Khan.
17:55And that's what matters.
17:57One more thing is being added.
17:59The Faiz Hamid matter has moved forward.
18:01And it is moving forward.
18:03More things will come in a few days.
18:05And this will be a domino effect.
18:07That's why the PTI is going backwards.
18:09Now answer this as well.
18:11No, no.
18:13The PTI has an internal mechanism.
18:15And where they talk about 9th May
18:17and political relations,
18:19on 9th May, we ourselves say
18:21that there should be a judicial commission.
18:23We have been saying this from day one.
18:25So they should investigate it.
18:27Whatever comes up in it,
18:29Khan has said it.
18:31Whoever is responsible,
18:33whoever has committed a crime,
18:35should deal with it according to the law.
18:37When we say this ourselves,
18:39as far as relations are concerned,
18:41we can't just put it on Khan.
18:43The Defence Minister is on record.
18:45The relations he had with General Faiz.
18:47There were a few appointments
18:49that General Faiz had made
18:51for the Noonwalas in our time.
18:53That is also on record.
18:55So this is a time wilt.
18:57So you are saying that
18:59neither they were ours nor theirs.
19:01They were something else.
19:03Imran Khan has made it clear two days ago
19:05that without the permission of General Bajwa,
19:07I wouldn't have been able to meet him.
19:09If it wasn't for the aid of General Bajwa,
19:11Army Chief, then Army Chief,
19:13they would have answered him.
19:15They wouldn't have answered Imran Khan.
19:17By the way, DG ISI
19:19answers the Prime Minister directly,
19:21Sheikh sahab.
19:23No, the Army Chief
19:25also answers the Prime Minister directly.
19:27This is also written in the papers.
19:29So you are saying that Bajwa
19:31didn't answer Khan sahab?
19:35In this country,
19:37I don't understand
19:39that the way it is written in the papers,
19:41that's how they answer.
19:43If an IG answers the Chief Minister,
19:45his DIG answers him.
19:47It can be assumed
19:49that the Chief Minister
19:51can keep a direct contact with the DIG,
19:53but basically he doesn't get an IG.
19:55So DGI is
19:57the help of the Army Chief.
20:01But DGI comes under the Prime Minister.
20:03DGI doesn't come under the Prime Minister.
20:05DGI does come under the Prime Minister,
20:07Sheikh sahab,
20:09under a certain hierarchy.
20:11Let's move on now.
20:13Mahmood Khan Achakzai sahab,
20:15along with you,
20:17Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan
20:19along with you,
20:21he is saying that
20:23the civil disobedience
20:25that you have done,
20:27please take it forward,
20:29delay it,
20:31so that we don't hear
20:33the same kind of voices.
20:35We can't delay it,
20:37because this is Imran Khan's call.
20:39Mahmood Khan Achakzai sahab's
20:41words will reach Khan sahab.
20:43Whoever we meet,
20:45or anyone from his family,
20:47they will convey the message.
20:49If Khan sahab has taken it forward,
20:51then we will take it forward.
20:53If Khan sahab hasn't taken it forward,
20:55then as per plan,
20:57it has already been announced.
20:59And there is no stopping to that.
21:01No, as long as Khan doesn't stop.
21:03If Khan doesn't stop,
21:05then Khan will take it back.
21:07I can't take it back.
21:09But the problem is,
21:11Sheikh sahab,
21:13at this time,
21:15the government thinks
21:17that civil disobedience is not going to work.
21:19You people had already tried,
21:21Khan sahab had paid his bills,
21:23he had told the poor people
21:25not to pay their bills,
21:27If civil disobedience is going to happen,
21:29then they should be happy.
21:31Why are they so worried?
21:33Why are so many talk shows being managed?
21:35Why are so many statements being given to friends?
21:37Why are the ministerial press conferences
21:39being held?
21:41Why are there so many speeches on the floor?
21:43If civil disobedience is going to happen,
21:45then it will happen.
21:47They should be happy.
21:49Their voice should be heard.
21:51Their open breath is telling
21:53how painful this is.
21:55Why don't they take your offer
21:57to negotiate?
21:59Let's move on with it.
22:01If the government was really
22:03in a state of distress,
22:05wouldn't the government be relaxed?
22:07Wouldn't anything happen?
22:09No problem.
22:11We had to open a door.
22:13We showed the world that
22:15they were doing a show with you
22:17for 7 years.
22:19They are exposed.
22:21Concerned quarters don't want
22:23to talk about this.
22:25Things will continue as they are.
22:27Mr. Gauhar is saying that
22:29we talked about this earlier.
22:31We will talk about this later.
22:33Who did we talk to earlier?
22:35When Mr. Gauhar said this,
22:37he will say the same next time.
22:39You are the secretary of information.
22:41I told him to ask you.
22:43I think,
22:45the secretary of information
22:47should be stopped.
22:49He should give all the information.
22:51I don't know where we talked.
22:53You tell me.
22:55I respect you a lot.
22:57Tell me this.
22:59The jail was opened
23:01at 7 am
23:03for the Sangjani Jalsa.
23:05Do you think
23:07the jail is in Punjab?
23:09I couldn't have opened it
23:11under the Punjab government.
23:13Imran Khan was inside.
23:15Someone opened it.
23:17On the 24th,
23:19I met
23:21Barrister Saif.
23:23We met in the jail.
23:25When there are
23:27mega mobilizations like this,
23:29communication channels
23:31open up.
23:33He must be talking
23:35about one of these channels.
23:37So far,
23:39there has been no response
23:41from this channel.
23:43After the mobilization
23:45ended,
23:47let's see
23:49in the coming days.
23:53I want to say one thing.
23:55If the government thinks
23:57that we are begging for a dialogue
23:59because we are late.
24:01No.
24:03We have opened
24:05this door for the benefit of the country.
24:07You will be exposed soon.
24:09There should be dialogues.
24:11Thank you for joining me.
24:13When countries fight
24:15will the political parties do it or not?
24:17But this dialogue
24:19with PTI is in its place.
24:21There is another issue.
24:23There are 8 objections
24:25from the President
24:27on the Madrasa Reforms Bill.
24:29The objections
24:31say that
24:33there is a contradiction
24:35in the Madrasa definition.
24:37The Madrasa Education Board Ordinance
24:39is in 2001 and
24:41new legislation is not possible.
24:43These are the 8 objections.
24:45Rana and Faisal Wada
24:47said that
24:49the issue will be solved
24:51by next week.
24:53Let's ask JUI and the government
24:55after the break.
24:59Welcome back after the break.
25:01Before going to the break,
25:03let's go to the bill
25:05which gave the government
25:07an ally
25:09who is not an ally
25:11in the Madrasa Reforms Bill.
25:13If he was not an ally,
25:15the Madrasa Reforms Bill would not have been passed.
25:17Maulana Fazlur Rehman's team
25:19is adamant
25:21that the objections
25:23raised by the President
25:25should have been raised
25:27when the Madrasa Reforms Bill was passed.
25:29There is no need to raise
25:31these objections again and again.
25:33There is a session on the 17th.
25:35Senator Kamran Murtaza is with us.
25:37He is the leader of JUI.
25:39He is the leader of PMLN.
25:41Thank you both.
25:43Senator Kamran, let's start with you.
25:45First of all,
25:47I have heard this.
25:49In fact, in my program,
25:51I have been told this as news.
25:53Rana Sanaullah and Faisal Wada
25:55said that
25:57the issue will be solved by next week.
25:59Senator,
26:01will the issue be solved by next week?
26:03I think
26:05the issue will be solved
26:07because
26:09the President raised
26:11one objection
26:13in the month of October
26:15and the Speaker answered it.
26:17That was the only objection
26:19that the Speaker received.
26:21The Speaker addressed it.
26:23After that, the President did not press
26:25that objection.
26:27How can the President
26:29be beyond 10 days?
26:31How did the President
26:33come up with the concept
26:35of objecting again and again?
26:37There are no objections in PMLN.
26:39There are only one-go objections.
26:41After that, on 13th November,
26:43the President started
26:45raising objections again.
26:47The bill was passed on 21st November.
26:49The President calculated the date
26:51between 13th November and
26:53addressed one of the objections.
26:55The President did not press it.
26:57Senator, tell us
26:59why is the Madaris
27:01accusing the government
27:03of bringing the government
27:05under FATF?
27:07I am not concerned
27:09about it.
27:11I am concerned about
27:13the direction of the matter
27:15if the President's trust
27:17is running like this.
27:19FATF has no role
27:21in this.
27:23The Madaris
27:25are saying that FATF
27:27will be upset
27:29or other international institutions
27:31will be upset.
27:33This is not in any net.
27:35We have brought it
27:37under the law.
27:39We have asked them
27:41to make a form
27:43and we are ready
27:45to give you the details.
27:47We are presenting ourselves
27:49before the law.
27:51Are we not better than
27:53those people
27:55who were not in FATF?
27:57At that time,
27:59no one had any objection.
28:01Today, there is an objection.
28:03This is a strange logic.
28:05You had promised.
28:07We are getting to know
28:09how many Madaris came.
28:1118,000 Madaris came.
28:13You have registered us
28:15under the Education Ministry.
28:17How can you register us
28:19under the Commerce Ministry?
28:21Didn't the Education Minister
28:23know about this?
28:25He was also saying
28:27that it came later.
28:29How is the government
28:31so aloof?
28:33The registration
28:35of the Madaris
28:37that you are saying
28:39that 18,000 Madaris
28:41have been registered
28:43has been done
28:45under an executive order.
28:47We had to legislate
28:49so that you can follow
28:51the law.
28:53The difference of opinion
28:55of the Ulema is also there.
28:57We are trying to bring
28:59all the parties together.
29:01You have to bring
29:03all the parties together.
29:05When is the breakthrough?
29:07Mr. Rana was saying that
29:09it will happen next week.
29:11Do you also think
29:13that it will happen next week?
29:15It will happen in one week.
29:17Who are you talking to
29:19and what is happening?
29:21Mr. Rana went to meet
29:23Mr. Munana.
29:25We also meet
29:27the second tier leadership.
29:29We have a line of communication
29:31with them.
29:33We are trying to
29:35bring the breakthrough soon.
29:37Senator Kamran,
29:39Mr. Rana praised you
29:41in my program yesterday.
29:43He said that you are a very
29:45intelligent lawyer
29:47and not a politician.
29:49You will find a way.
29:51Are you finding a way
29:53or is Delhi still far away?
29:57He is very respectable
29:59and I respect him a lot.
30:01The day I met
30:03Mr. Munana,
30:05I also appreciate
30:07his point of view
30:09although I cannot share it.
30:11But still,
30:13the issue is different.
30:15Mr. Rana should realize
30:17the mistake of
30:19Mr. Munana.
30:23So much has been said
30:25on this issue.
30:27It should have been
30:29on the record
30:31that he did not send
30:33the objections
30:35to Speaker Rafis.
30:37He has a certificate.
30:39I will share it with you.
30:41He had the same
30:43in the media.
30:47Mr. Rana,
30:49we want the matter to be resolved.
30:51The religious schools
30:53will meet on 16th and 17th.
30:55The religious schools
30:57will decide on 16th and 17th
30:59and then we will
31:01take the matter forward.
31:03Mr. Kamran, the problem is
31:05that many religious schools
31:07are against your opinion.
31:09As Mr. Tahir Ashrafi
31:11said in his program,
31:13many religious schools
31:15are against your opinion
31:17that we have registered
31:1918,060 religious schools.
31:21If the whole process
31:23is done in a new way,
31:25this will become very difficult
31:27and very cumbersome.
31:29What will you say
31:31when the religious schools
31:33do not converge on one point?
31:35It is like this.
31:37The 18,00,000 schools
31:39that Mr. Ashrafi said,
31:41he could have said 18,00,000
31:43or 18,00,000,
31:45it does not matter.
31:47Mr. Ashrafi,
31:49the religious schools
31:51under his leadership,
31:53our case,
31:55if from the other side,
31:57he is my dear friend,
31:59but when Mr. Ashrafi is there,
32:01the case of the other side
32:03is resolved automatically.
32:05Is this your miracle
32:07or his miracle?
32:09What do you want to say
32:11in a few words, Mr. Kamran?
32:13This is his miracle.
32:15I want to say that
32:17he is with every government.
32:19If the government changes today,
32:21if the government of the JUI
32:23comes today,
32:25he will definitely be with me
32:27and will sit with me
32:29and do a press conference.
32:31Like he was doing a press conference
32:33with three ministers,
32:35who had agreed to this bill
32:37and had also voted for it.
32:39He was sitting with them
32:41and the bill was also given by the government.
32:43Mr. Kamran,
32:45tell me very quickly,
32:47do you have a complaint
32:49from the PMLN government
32:51or the People's Party?
32:55I have a complaint
32:57from both of them.
33:01Mr. Kamran,
33:03I am not that brave
33:05to speak in open words.
33:07Mr. Afnaan,
33:09there is a complaint from you
33:11and also from your allies
33:13and also from the people
33:15who are standing with you.
33:17I can talk about the PMLN,
33:19but I cannot talk about the rest.
33:21No, the allies are standing with you.
33:23You were around Maulana
33:25at the time of the 26th amendment.
33:27No, the allies make their own decisions.
33:29We can say that they are united,
33:31but we cannot say that they are not united.
33:33Are you only talking about the allies?
33:35The allies and the rest of the people
33:37make their own decisions.
33:39What do you do?
33:41We try to make our own decisions.
33:43How successful are your attempts?
33:45If the government is a coalition government
33:47and you have to take a lot of support,
33:49then obviously
33:51there are a lot of things
33:53that you cannot do.
33:55You don't look happy.
33:57Even if you get the government,
33:59you don't look happy.
34:01In a coalition government,
34:03things work the same way.
34:05This is a good way
34:07to take responsibility
34:09from your shoulders
34:11and put it on someone else's shoulders
34:13so that if something goes wrong tomorrow,
34:15you can say that you didn't do it.
34:17Then why are you sitting in the government?
34:19Let the country default.
34:21If you don't come,
34:23the country will default.
34:25Who will do it?
34:27We left the default bill
34:29and we were campaigning
34:31that it will be default.
34:33Thank God, it was saved.
34:35Shahbaz and Marim Nawaz
34:37have worked very hard.
34:39The situation in the country
34:41was very bad.
34:43What is the situation now?
34:45Thank God, there is no chance of default.
34:47What is the situation of the government?
34:49Our situation is the same as it was before,
34:51but the situation in the country
34:53has started to improve.
34:55We don't have a choice.
34:57We can't destroy the country.
34:59We have to run the country.
35:01We are running it.
35:03We have pointed towards the PTI.
35:05Mr. Kamran, there is a lot of talk
35:07about your meeting
35:09with Mr. Hassan Qaisar.
35:11What did you talk about?
35:13While we were walking
35:15in the Jain mosque,
35:17we had read the Friday prayer
35:19in the Parliament House.
35:21He was in the front row
35:23and I was in the back.
35:25He had seen it.
35:27He waved and I stopped.
35:29We said Salam.
35:31He asked
35:33what we can do
35:35to help you in the Madras matter.
35:37I told him
35:39that he can help,
35:41but the policy in the PTI
35:43should come to one line.
35:45If a friend is saying something
35:47and you are saying something else,
35:49you should come to one line.
35:51I told him
35:53that it is a good thing
35:55to have a dialogue
35:57with the government.
35:59Politicians do it.
36:01As an observer,
36:03you should have a dialogue
36:05with the government
36:07so that tomorrow
36:09there is someone
36:11who can tell
36:13who is at fault.
36:15Otherwise,
36:17if your dialogue is unsuccessful,
36:19if you say it is because of the government,
36:21the government will say
36:23that it is because of you.
36:25If you don't like Maulana,
36:27then you can support
36:29someone else.
36:31Maulana is ready
36:33to be a bridge
36:35between the government
36:37and Pakistan in Tehreek-e-Insaf.
36:39He is always ready
36:41for Pakistan.
36:43Did Asad Qaisar
36:45tell you
36:47that you should be a bridge
36:49and play a role?
36:53Asad Qaisar can't
36:55do it alone.
36:57He asked me
36:59when Maulana would come
37:01from Dar-e-Ismail Khan.
37:03I told him that he will come on Sunday
37:05and I will also visit him on Monday.
37:07Then we will sit and have a chat.
37:09I gave him a proposal
37:11to have a dialogue.
37:13It is important to have a dialogue
37:15and to have someone
37:17with you
37:19so that the outcome
37:21of the dialogue
37:23is good.
37:27This is very interesting.
37:29But to bridge,
37:31you need two sides.
37:33One side is the PTI.
37:35They are ready to have a dialogue
37:37with you.
37:39The other side is the government
37:41which is working with Patal Matol.
37:43They are ready to have a dialogue
37:45with you.
37:47Are you ready to be a bridge?
37:51This dialogue has been going on
37:53for many years.
37:55We have told them many times
37:57that we are ready to have a dialogue.
37:59Now they are ready.
38:01I am ready.
38:03Their behaviour was not good.
38:05They are ready
38:07but it is not like
38:09you are ready,
38:11you are serious.
38:13It is not like you are ready.
38:15If you remember,
38:17in 2022,
38:19there was a committee
38:21of the government and the opposition.
38:23They had agreed on a date
38:25that they will call an election.
38:27When they agreed,
38:29the PTI leaders were happy.
38:31Imran Khan called
38:33and said that the government
38:35is still not ready.
38:37You are saying that you do not
38:39want to have a dialogue.
38:41I am saying that they should
38:43take confidence building measures.
38:45This work will be done slowly.
38:47If they think that
38:49we will talk to them
38:51and we will try to build a bridge.
38:53We will have to take the first step
38:55to increase the work.
38:57Is the government taking the first step
38:59or not?
39:01The people in the government
39:03and the rest of the issues
39:05are under consideration.
39:07If they demand something,
39:09we will say it.
39:11I am telling you personally.
39:13I do not think that
39:15they will demand to remove Bani PTI
39:17and make it the Prime Minister.
39:19No one will agree to this.
39:21I think that you can talk
39:23about the Charter of Democracy.
39:25You can talk about other issues
39:27in the country.
39:29You can talk about the government's
39:31improvement.
39:33You can talk about the issues
39:35in the country.
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44:47Thank you very much.
44:49Thank you very much for joining me.
44:51We will go to the break.
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