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Imran Khan gets bail in new Toshakhana case - Mohammad Malick's Analysis

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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Mohd. Malik.
00:15You know the biggest news.
00:17Imran Khan has been bailed today.
00:20It is not about whether he comes out after the bail or not.
00:23It is about his perception.
00:25We talked about this yesterday as well.
00:27If he gets bailed today, what will it mean?
00:31Because a lot of things have changed in the last few days.
00:34Do you remember the situation a month ago?
00:37Meetings were closed.
00:39Electricity was cut off.
00:41There were no statements.
00:43We were not even talking to the journalists.
00:45It seemed like the door had been slammed shut in the face.
00:49What have we seen in the last 4-5 days?
00:51We saw another direction of movement.
00:57Chief Minister KP has also met twice in the last 3 days.
01:02He is coming out of protocol.
01:04Meetings are happening in the committee room.
01:06His statements are also coming out.
01:08Suddenly, the body language of PTI has changed.
01:10After today's bail, two things are clear.
01:13No matter how much you debate, the common man is convinced that there is a parallel dialogue going on.
01:19In the second part of the program, we will listen to Mr. Rana Sinalo.
01:22I asked him about the level at which Mr. Ghandapur is being discussed.
01:28He told me the level at which he is being discussed.
01:32Anyway, that is the second part of the program.
01:34In the first part of the program, we try to understand where the situation is.
01:39Until yesterday, we used to hear that the establishment will not talk at all.
01:43Mr. Khan has said that the handlers will talk.
01:47But I have three demands.
01:49Return my election.
01:51Release everyone.
01:53These were the two main demands.
01:55The rest is democracy.
01:57What changes have taken place?
01:59Is there a fear of a 24th protest?
02:01Is the establishment talking?
02:03Or is there an international pressure?
02:05There was a letter from the Congress.
02:07There were 60 people in it.
02:09Then there was a second letter on the 15th.
02:11It was in October.
02:13There were 46 members of the Congress.
02:16But interestingly, 20 of them were Republicans.
02:19And we know that the Republican president is coming there.
02:22There is a Republican Congress.
02:24They have a Congress now.
02:26So it is not something you can ignore.
02:28Then there was a letter from the 26 MPs in Britain.
02:31And the response of their foreign minister was also very strong.
02:35There was a second letter from the Congress.
02:37The President was told to think about the next ambassador.
02:41And put him in a position where he knows what to say.
02:44He knows the integrity of the matter.
02:46He knows the bloom of the matter.
02:48He has completely mishandled it.
02:50So there is an international pressure.
02:52Is there an international pressure behind such things?
02:55There is another thing going on in Islamabad.
02:57A very friendly, Middle East state,
03:02a very important prince of the Middle East,
03:04has given this message.
03:06Look, you solve these things yourself.
03:09If Washington gets involved tomorrow,
03:11and we have to get involved,
03:13then you may have to listen to Washington's conditions.
03:16So why is there a sudden softness?
03:19Is it high or not?
03:21Are they just doing CBMs to move forward on November 24?
03:26Or are we seeing a long-term change?
03:28We will talk about this later.
03:30As I told you, Rana Sanalo will be with us.
03:33Senator Faisal Wawda and Faisal Chaudhary have joined us.
03:39They are Imran Khan's lawyers.
03:41But before that, I want to tell you something.
03:44After you, there was a big series on Netflix,
03:47Game of Thrones.
03:49And after that, Mariam Nawaz Sahiba talked about it.
03:52We did a lot of programs during that time.
03:54Power talks to power.
03:56Power does not talk to weakness.
03:58Wherever you show weakness,
04:00your enemy will attack you.
04:02You never get anything by putting it in a tray.
04:04Power talks to power.
04:07Let's start with you.
04:09Power talks to power.
04:11It seems that Imran Khan has shown power.
04:13So as long as he was sitting peacefully,
04:15the newspapers were running.
04:17Electricity is being shut down.
04:19Meetings are being shut down.
04:21There was a call for a protest.
04:23Power talks to power.
04:25We are seeing a panic.
04:29Why?
04:31Is it the pressure of international pressure?
04:33Or is it the pressure of 24th November
04:35that suddenly the establishment is talking?
04:37You used to say that it will never happen.
04:39Look, it is the pressure of the pressure cooker.
04:41As soon as we lift the nozzle,
04:43the air will fizzle out.
04:45The fizzle-out water will also bubble.
04:47We will dry it again on 25th and 26th.
04:49God willing, we will call for your help.
04:51And this is not the final call.
04:53This is the final call for November 2024.
04:55Then there will be a call for December.
04:57Then there will be a call for January.
04:59Then there will be a call for February and March.
05:01Now you have said that power talks to power.
05:03The other establishment is not talking.
05:05It is a political lollipop.
05:07And why is it a lollipop?
05:09I will tell you that too.
05:11There is also a way to succeed in this.
05:13I will tell you that in the second phase.
05:15The first phase is that the compromised people,
05:17not him, but the compromised people,
05:19how will it happen all of a sudden
05:21They meet, talk, morning, afternoon, evening.
05:23Because they have a task on top.
05:25The promises that have been made.
05:27No, Mr. Khan has nominated them.
05:29Listen to me.
05:31I have been telling you for the past 4-5 months.
05:33Mr. Khan had said in the last election
05:35that when CM will lead, he will go to KP's house.
05:37He will sit in the diggy.
05:39He will do the wedding without money.
05:41He has become a model in the assembly.
05:43We have seen everything.
05:45I had told you earlier that there will be a bail.
05:47There will be no hidden FIR of Begum Sahiba.
05:49Federal Government security has also gone with them.
05:51I had said that she will do politics.
05:53That politics also happened.
05:55Khan will back up his sisters.
05:57Begum Sahiba will do it.
05:59Now everything is getting relief.
06:01Everyone is getting money.
06:03Everyone is getting money.
06:05But Imran Khan is not getting anything.
06:07This should be your first question.
06:09Number one. Number two.
06:11What is the frustration?
06:13There will be an amendment on 26th.
06:15It will be on 27th. Let's talk about 26th.
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08:37Sir, I don't understand one thing.
08:39Do the police march like this?
08:41You saw the Throne episode.
08:43You didn't show the full scene.
08:45That's all you had to show.
08:47If the government
08:49is a double A plus A plus
08:51useless and useless
08:53then it's not my fault.
08:55There are 500 people here
08:57and they put 500 containers.
08:59I can't do anything.
09:01Show us an excellent shot
09:03of the police march.
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21:17Look, Khan is a reality.
21:19Khan is PTI and PTI is Khan.
21:21But the drama that has just started
21:23that someone's son has come
21:25to take over, someone's daughter,
21:27someone's wife, someone's brother,
21:29this drama should stop.
21:31And now we can't even distribute
21:33the Noon League.
21:35Everyone is standing like servants,
21:37give me 5,000 people,
21:39otherwise your leave is 20 years old.
21:41Who are you?
21:43When I was in PTI,
21:45the advisors took Khan
21:47to the brink of destruction
21:49and are taking him further.
21:51And if Khan had come,
21:53for example,
21:55the other side would not have
21:57taken the burden.
21:59Look, Khan is one step behind.
22:01He is one step behind.
22:03He is one step behind.
22:05He is one step behind.
22:07He is one step behind.
22:09He is one step behind.
22:11He is one step behind.
22:13I don't have a solution for this.
22:15The time is up.
22:17We will do it again.
22:19Let's take a break.
22:21Let's listen to Rana Sanaw Allah
22:23and he has said something very
22:25interesting.
22:27Where is Gandapur sir talking
22:29and where is he talking
22:31and where is he talking
22:33and where is he talking
22:35and where is he talking
22:37and where is he talking
22:39and where is he talking
22:41Asalam o Alaikum
22:43Rana sir, how worried you are
22:45One month ago, meetings were
22:47shut, electricity was cut,
22:49exercise was cut, all kinds of restrictions
22:51You meet the Chief Minister
22:53daily, KP
22:55and Khan
22:57and regular meetings are being held in the committee room
22:59Then today we saw that the bail has also been done
23:01and it seems that
23:03a parallel channel
23:05has opened. How worried
23:07you are today?
23:11Look, we are not at all worried
23:13and when this propaganda
23:15was happening
23:17that meetings were shut
23:19and electricity was cut
23:21and exercise was cut
23:23even then we knew that
23:25these things are not shut
23:27and
23:29the meetings which were
23:31shut
23:33had a
23:35duration
23:37and
23:39had a purpose
23:41and under that purpose
23:43it was necessary
23:45to avoid
23:47and it was necessary
23:49and it was in national interest
23:51so even now
23:53the meetings which are being held
23:55according to my
23:57assessment or information
23:59they are
24:01happening in national interest
24:03if there is any improvement
24:05from them
24:07then it will benefit the country
24:09peace and security
24:11the political situation in the country
24:13there will be prosperity
24:15so these things are not
24:17No, it can be beneficial for the country
24:19it can be beneficial for national interest
24:21but their condition is very simple
24:23they say that return the election mandate
24:25bring back Imran Khan
24:27then it will be beneficial for the country
24:29but for you people it will be a huge loss
24:33No, our
24:35it will be a huge loss
24:37because the conditions they are setting
24:39are not
24:41going to be fulfilled
24:43their
24:45conditions are
24:47in simple words
24:49that you make me
24:51sit in the government
24:53make me sit in the minister house again
24:55and you all come here
24:57and sit in jail in my place
24:59so no one
25:01will do this to himself
25:03so this condition
25:05is not going to be fulfilled
25:07and it will not be fulfilled
25:09Dada sir, you also said that
25:11talks are going on
25:13Gandapur sir is a point man
25:15he is also the chief minister
25:17he has a relationship with the establishment
25:19there are a lot of situations
25:21of terrorism
25:23so at what level is the talk going on?
25:27See, I will not
25:29mention that level
25:31because
25:33it will come to
25:35a limit
25:37it is the same level
25:39as Ali Ameen Gandapur sir
25:41what is that?
25:43what is his level?
25:45whatever his level is
25:47you can
25:49measure
25:51what can be the level of Ali Ameen Gandapur sir
25:53we are talking to him at that level
25:55No, in the past
25:57whenever the establishment talked
25:59it is a standard format
26:01at the level of sector commander
26:03then at the level of DGC
26:05then sometimes
26:07we talk to the top man
26:09the army chief
26:11so at what level is he at now?
26:13I think
26:15from where you started
26:17he is at the same level
26:19so tell me
26:21we have seen
26:23that on one side
26:25talks are going on
26:27you can call it whatever you want
26:29but at the same time
26:31we are seeing containers
26:33and arrests
26:35but at the last call
26:37in October
26:39the government overkilled
26:41and you also
26:43criticized this
26:45is the government overkilling again?
26:47should the PTI be shut down?
26:49should the interior minister
26:51shut down the city?
26:53No,
26:55at the government level
26:57there is a policy
26:59to give permission
27:01or to stop
27:03now
27:05the local administration
27:07their job is
27:09to stop
27:11by putting one or two
27:13containers
27:15or there
27:17they have to
27:19put the duty of 10 people
27:21or there
27:23they have to put 50 people
27:25so this local administration
27:27has intelligence reports
27:29on that basis
27:31they decide
27:33last time on 5th October
27:35this kind of deployment
27:37was over and above
27:39now
27:41how many people
27:43tried to come from Rawalpindi
27:45Islamabad
27:47I think the number of containers
27:49people did not
27:51try to come
27:53so
27:55it was over
27:57so I think
27:59this kind of
28:01overestimation should not happen
28:03report of agencies
28:05should be analyzed
28:07and according to that
28:09arrangements should be made
28:11precautionary and preventive
28:13arrangements should be made
28:15but not over and above
28:17Imran Khan will start
28:19negotiations after his release
28:21and then the negotiations will move forward
28:23if it is only a matter of
28:25release, then why is the government
28:27so scared, let it be
28:29and
28:31you people say
28:33that there is no support
28:35they only have more influence on twitter
28:37so if there would have been a release
28:39and there would have been no movement
28:41there would have been no pollution on the roads
28:43so this is not a small price
28:45to reverse the election results
28:47to get them caught in the government
28:49but if Imran Khan
28:51comes out, why is the government
28:53so scared
28:55no, the government
28:57is not scared
28:59and if there is a release
29:01in the cases against him
29:03if there is a bailout, then they can be released
29:05but the matter is
29:07that if the courts
29:09give them bail in those cases
29:11then that is a very good thing
29:13it is a very appreciable thing
29:15that he has been bailed
29:17but if the same courts
29:19would have punished him
29:21then it would have been said that this is pressure
29:23this is the punishment of the establishment
29:25so in both ways
29:27the matter should be in the same way
29:29if
29:31he has been bailed
29:33then it is a very good thing
29:35that case
29:37as a lawyer
29:39the law
29:41has a little understanding
29:43according to that
29:45after so long a bail case was made
29:47but that
29:49one ninety million
29:51seventy billion rupees
29:53that the national treasury has lost
29:55the punishment in that case
29:57is two fold
29:59then it will be said that
30:01the punishment is wrong
30:03it has been given by pressurizing
30:05both things, relief and punishment
30:07when it is from the court
30:09but Mr. Rana, one thing
30:11has been proved
30:13that the establishment
30:15believes that
30:17they have the support
30:19that when they gave the call
30:21then the negotiations started
30:23in the last one year
30:25there were no negotiations
30:27they gave the offer many times
30:29but there were no negotiations
30:31but when they talked about bringing people on the streets
30:33about the Islamabad protest
30:35then it happened
30:37then in a way
30:39the establishment and the government
30:41has admitted that
30:43they have so much
30:45popularity and power
30:47that they can create a big problem
30:49for everyone
30:51that is why the negotiations started
30:53no, the long
30:55introduction
30:57that you have made
30:59it is not like that
31:01the negotiations
31:03that they talk about
31:05that negotiation has not happened
31:07nor will it happen
31:09the rest of the administrative
31:11negotiations
31:13like last time
31:15there was a date of September
31:17when they had held a meeting here
31:19and that time also
31:21there was a negotiation
31:23and that meeting was discussed
31:25that meeting was
31:27approved
31:29you are saying that
31:31the establishment
31:33is only talking about
31:35moving forward or not
31:37on 24th October
31:39then there will be a quid pro quo
31:41there will be some
31:43negotiations
31:45the level is the same
31:47the level
31:49at which they are talking
31:51there can't be more than this
31:53and this will not go
31:55beyond that level
31:59no, the
32:01thing
32:03that you have
32:05mentioned in your
32:07question
32:09that thing is not happening
32:11and it will not happen
32:13there is a very clear policy
32:15which DGISPR
32:17had made clear
32:19that if you want to do this
32:21then do it with the political party
32:23do it with the government
32:25so tell me one thing
32:27they repeatedly say
32:29I have asked this question to your colleagues
32:31they say that handlers
32:33and whenever they say handlers
32:35you know that it means the army
32:37they say that the army will nominate
32:39whoever we will negotiate with
32:41so why don't you
32:43say to the army that
32:45they nominate you
32:47so you can talk, bluff call
32:49you will know what is happening
32:53no, see the matter is
32:55that
32:57if you sit with the political party
32:59then it will be political
33:01their fight
33:03with the establishment
33:05is that
33:07the establishment
33:09made them successful
33:11as Pala Posa project
33:13made them minister
33:15after that they wanted
33:17the establishment to support me
33:19so I
33:21finished the opposition in the country
33:23and got the leadership system
33:25and established
33:27the one party rule
33:29they had their own plan for 10 years
33:31and the plan for 6 years was on the other side
33:33they want
33:35to talk to me
33:37and start from there
33:39this talk will not happen
33:41nor will the talk start from there
33:43the rest will be fine
33:45if you talk to the political party
33:47can you talk in the early elections
33:49even if you say that
33:514 years are left, 2 years we will leave
33:53you wait for 2 years
33:55can you talk in the early elections
33:57with Imran Khan
34:01see Mr. Malik
34:03when the political leadership
34:05sits on the table
34:07then the issues are resolved
34:09the solution comes
34:11you know that
34:13when this election issue was going on
34:15in the supreme court
34:17they wanted to get the election done in May
34:19we had the opportunity at that time
34:21a
34:23negotiation team was formed
34:25and they had a
34:27talk for 2 days
34:29so we were also
34:31ready to come back for 1.5-2 months
34:33and
34:35their negotiation team
34:37was probably
34:41Qureshi
34:43and Jauri Fuad
34:45were there
34:47so they also
34:49were ready to come back for 1-2 months
34:51and this was happening
34:53in July-August
34:55so they said
34:57this is fine
34:59this issue
35:01is almost resolved
35:03so we will take permission from Mr. Khan
35:05and finalize this issue tomorrow
35:07it was July's
35:09last week or August's
35:11first week
35:13so Mr. Khan said no
35:15he refused
35:17so let me finish
35:19Mr. Rana
35:21that if you all sit
35:23on the negotiation table
35:25that early elections
35:27can also be an option
35:29to bring some political
35:31influence in this country
35:33see
35:35this can't be
35:37discussed
35:39under any condition
35:41otherwise the Prime Minister
35:43who on the floor of the
35:45opposition and PTI
35:47the offer he made
35:49he made it very clear
35:51that come
35:53sit and do political dialogue
35:55on every issue
35:57we are ready to sit with you
35:59and talk
36:01Thank you very much Mr. Rana
36:03Thank you very much
36:05Mr. Rana, you heard the talks of all the participants
36:07two things are very clear
36:09one is you can see the comfort
36:11that even if the talks are going on
36:13like the talks of Mr. Gandapur
36:15they are not at the level where
36:17big decisions are being made
36:19policy matters
36:21but at the level where
36:23administrative measures are being discussed
36:25but it is always like this
36:27but the promising thing
36:29that Mr. Rana said
36:31that if we sit and talk
36:33then everything is on the table
36:35and he didn't reject the early elections
36:37but he said it is not a precondition
36:39but there should be a dialogue
36:41and like it is a fast evolving situation
36:43I think it will be a very clear situation
36:45by tomorrow evening
36:47in the meantime
36:49arrests have started
36:51we told you yesterday
36:53that there is a list of 700 and a list of 60
36:55arrests have started
36:57containers have started burning
36:59let's see, the next 24 hours
37:01are very important
37:03for Pakistan
37:05Allah Hafiz

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