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"Economy Achi Hoi Hai Lekin Sirf Hukumranun Ki...", Babar Awan
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- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Murtaza Wahab (Karachi Mayor)
"Economy Achi Hoi Hai Lekin Sirf Hukumranun Ki...", Babar Awan
"Agla Saal PTI Ka Ka Hai...", Babar Awan's Big Claim
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:12This is the last program of this year.
00:17The next program will be in 2025.
00:19But it seems that the situation will not be very different from this year.
00:25Because the government, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, is focused on politics.
00:31But the attention that the country is waiting for is not getting from both sides.
00:38The job of the opposition is to raise the voice of the rights of the people, not just to talk about their rights.
00:44The job of the government is to pay complete attention to the problems of the people.
00:49One of the biggest problems that the government should be looking at is inflation.
00:55One very important issue in this is that our climate is changing.
01:00Another very important issue is that unemployment has increased here.
01:03It is necessary to suppress all these things.
01:06But at this time, the axis of all things, the axis of all powers, is negotiations.
01:11And at the beginning of next year, the axis of all these things will be negotiations.
01:17There are two opinions in this regard.
01:21On one hand, Rana Sanaullah and Khwaja Saad Rafiq are saying that there should be negotiations.
01:26On the other hand, people like Khwaja Asif and Hanif Abbasi are saying that there is no benefit for them.
01:34On one hand, there are negotiations.
01:36On the other hand, criticism is also going on simultaneously.
01:40The purpose of the negotiations is not to give a deal to NRO, but to give a political statement.
01:50Khyber Pashtun Khwa will have a government of 11 years there.
01:53In 10 months, where there is a misgovernance, along with financial corruption, there is financial irregularity.
01:59There are fraudulent payments of Rs 152 billion.
02:04There are fake companies and all the money is diverted to social media.
02:08Money has been allocated for health.
02:10You have used it to raise money during protests.
02:14Suspicious disbursement of Rs 51 crore.
02:17Someone tell me where the dam is.
02:18If there were police reforms, then why would the law and order be in such a bad state?
02:23Earlier, it was being said to release Imran Khan that this would be an important point in the negotiations.
02:29PTI has also backed off from that.
02:30Imran Khan has also backed off.
02:32But apart from this, Musaddak Malik has also said that this is the case.
02:34So now they will act according to the law.
02:36Now, individual crimes will also be prohibited.
02:38This matter will go on like this.
02:40We will draw a line on our strong positions.
02:43This red line will slowly turn yellow.
02:46It will turn from yellow to green.
02:47The conversation will go on.
02:49Individual crimes have been prohibited.
02:51Punishments are being made.
02:52So now you cannot say that where are the evidences?
02:54The evidences have been presented.
02:56The cases against Khan are criminal in nature.
03:00Now, what does criminal acts have to do with these negotiations?
03:05If you prove to me that there is a political case, then we will talk about it.
03:10Babar, Mr. Awan is with us to talk to Mr. Sehwala.
03:13He is the senior director of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:15Mr. Babar, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
03:17Mr. Babar, you have seen the mistrust towards the negotiations.
03:20It is from the government, but it is also from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:23In such a situation, if we go to the next year, will there be any change?
03:26Or will the negotiations continue?
03:30Thank you very much, Anika.
03:31First, let us keep the perspective in front.
03:33In the last three and a half years, it has been emphasized in Pakistan
03:37that the people who have not been elected by force should be considered as leaders.
03:41This created a lot of confusion.
03:44The election was stolen.
03:46Till 1 o'clock in the night, everyone including the ARY showed the same result.
03:51And the next day at 12 o'clock, the result started to change.
03:54So, it was obvious.
03:56After that, the mantra was given that the government will bring stability to the country.
04:01Now, three years have passed.
04:03So, there was no stability.
04:06No, this government has to last for a few years.
04:08It has not been a year yet.
04:09Mr. Babar, it was the PDM.
04:11It was not this government or this government.
04:13So, this is not the Bismillah group.
04:15That was the Bismillah group.
04:17All of them are the same.
04:18Alhamdulillah.
04:19Really?
04:20Yes.
04:21Right now, the whole nation is praying for them.
04:23The real issue was that they tried their best to make Pakistan run as per their will.
04:30But they could not.
04:31Now, everyone has run out of options.
04:34Right now, Pakistan is a victim of global isolation.
04:37Pakistan is a victim of economic devastation.
04:39The children of your age are going abroad.
04:43The biggest business that is flourishing in Pakistan right now is only one.
04:48Get a passport.
04:50If you cannot go abroad, then get a dhanki.
04:52You have seen the consequences of this.
04:54It is so scary.
04:55The children are dying.
04:56But this did not start happening right now.
04:57It has always happened.
04:58No, this has not always happened.
04:59This level has never come.
05:01There is an advisor of the IMF.
05:05He has also been in the State Bank of Pakistan.
05:08Mr. Ahmed Saeed.
05:09He said that since the regime has changed, there has been a loss of US$42 billion.
05:13No one has contradicted this government.
05:15I will talk briefly.
05:17In these circumstances, Imran Khan has bluffed the current system.
05:22He said, let's have a discussion.
05:25And he has given two points only.
05:27One, everybody should act in accordance with the constitution of Pakistan.
05:31This is the first point.
05:33And the second point is that the people who have been arrested and punished,
05:39should open the way for them.
05:41He is not asking anything for himself.
05:43He is saying that he will fight and get out.
05:44Mr. Babbar, two or three things.
05:46You are saying that the government has not been able to do anything in this year.
05:49I will count the years.
05:50Leave that time to the PDM.
05:52You are very generous.
05:53I am saying this because he blames that Mr. Imran Khan left his belongings for the default.
05:59We did the right thing.
06:00So, let's look at the situation after 2024.
06:02Imran has not been there for 77 years.
06:04He has not been there for 77 years.
06:06He was not in Nawaz's government.
06:08He was not a beneficiary of Musharraf's system.
06:10He was not a beneficiary of the last year's government.
06:14He was not a beneficiary of the regime change.
06:17He was not a beneficiary of his brother before that.
06:19And he did not do anything for the last three to four years.
06:22His brother, his son, his daughter, his son-in-law, his son-in-law, his son-in-law, everything was done.
06:27Mr. Babbar, the parties are very excited to be the oppressed.
06:30They say that we have been oppressed.
06:32I know that you are the daughter of a lawyer.
06:33You will not let the oppressed be, you will talk about the system.
06:36I just want to say that the government says that we have improved the economy.
06:40You are saying that we have spoiled the economy.
06:43The remittances, the civil disobedience, has been failed.
06:46Let me agree with you, they have improved the economy, they have saved a case of 14 billion,
06:55they have saved a case of 22 billion which was filed by the FIA at the behest of the Chief Justice.
07:00The economy has improved only because of the rulers.
07:03And that is why Habib Jalib had said that the situation is the same for the Fakirs,
07:09the days are only of the ministers.
07:12Every Bilawal, the Makrooz of Hadith, their feet are bare.
07:16I remember when Imran Khan was in poverty,
07:22he said that I have not come here to reduce the rates of tomatoes and vegetables,
07:26I have come to take care of the country.
07:28These rates are deteriorating because of the international market.
07:31If the entire economy is deteriorating in the world, then what can this government do?
07:34If I apply the same logic to this government, then how will it work?
07:38You have said a great thing.
07:40Do you remember?
07:42One day's agenda was potatoes, potatoes, potatoes, all the TVs.
07:46The next day's agenda was tomatoes, tomatoes.
07:48The third day was carrots.
07:49The fourth day was coriander.
07:50The fifth day was garlic.
07:51Does anyone talk about it?
07:52You people must be talking about it.
07:54Does anyone talk about inflation?
07:56Everyone is talking about it.
07:57It is forbidden to talk about inflation.
07:59We have to talk about it.
08:00Listen to me.
08:01It is forbidden.
08:03The system in which there is a debtor, the whole world doubts the system.
08:09It is proven in Pakistan.
08:10There will be military figures.
08:12Despite this, these workers are sitting with you.
08:16After getting up, ask them how their life is going.
08:19We don't need a survey.
08:21They are around us.
08:22For example, not all our relatives in these facilities will be there.
08:26Not all our neighbors will be there.
08:28My question is.
08:30My question is that the system is a complete failure.
08:33The government is completely illegal.
08:35There is only one way.
08:37Through discussion, the constitutional rule should be given to Pakistan.
08:42And the looted mandate should be returned to its real heirs.
08:45You are absolutely right about the discussion.
08:47The discussion should have been done much earlier.
08:49But the government has a complaint that Imran Khan was not getting ready.
08:53After November 26, there has been such a change.
08:56You are bluffing.
08:57You have forgotten that I got married in December.
08:59You got married in December.
09:00Yes.
09:01There has been a change after December.
09:03That is why their options are over.
09:05Whose options are over?
09:06The government's options are over.
09:07The illegal system.
09:08He is saying that Imran Khan's options are over.
09:10This illegal system has been attacked all over the world.
09:14All over the world.
09:15Okay, this is happening for the first time.
09:17Have you ever heard the kind of discussions that are taking place in a country's defense minister?
09:23Our heroes, whose names we have named after our ballistic missiles, are also being criticized.
09:28This is a disaster.
09:29This is a storm of misbehavior.
09:32People are being distracted by two things.
09:36One, they are being distracted by the massacre of 26-11.
09:41And the second is that they are being distracted by their illiteracy and stupidity.
09:45You said two teams are present.
09:48One team is good boys and the other team is bad boys.
09:52Are you saying that this is their way of doing things?
09:55Are you saying that this is their way of doing things?
09:57I didn't say this from the beginning.
09:59This was said by a great saint.
10:02That when the time comes, they bow their heads.
10:06And when the time passes, they hug each other.
10:08Mr. Khan has also said something about U-turn.
10:10U-turn is reasonableness.
10:12U-turn is only if there is some reason which is not coming to my mind.
10:17You explain it to me in a logical way.
10:20This is not like this. This is like this.
10:22This is U-turn.
10:23This is reasonableness of the highest degree.
10:26To sit on the mandate of people and say that I will change the fate of the country.
10:31One more thing is being called reasonableness.
10:33It is being said that first, why did they send Cypher to America?
10:39And now they are putting sanctions on ballistic missiles.
10:43They are not looking at Gaza for human rights violations.
10:46They are supporting Israel.
10:48They are giving bombs and missiles.
10:50Here they say something.
10:51They say, well done.
10:52They have done very well.
10:53There have been human rights violations in Pakistan.
10:55So this is also being called reasonableness.
10:57Let me come on the legitimate ballistic missiles.
11:04I say with full authority.
11:06We have a system of legitimate ballistic missiles.
11:09This started during 1988-89.
11:13And from 1988-89, such a big failure was not seen in Pakistan.
11:20For example, what does he know about international relations?
11:25Our second ambassador, do you remember what kind of video he played during the conversation?
11:30This is the ambassador sitting.
11:32He should have had this news that something is going against Pakistan.
11:37What else is the work?
11:39The country against which you are or the country in which you are, you know where that country is going.
11:45When we find out this news at that time, and they also find out at that time,
11:49these two whose names I have taken, both of them should resign immediately.
11:53They did not know that our legitimate...
11:57One from the ambassador and one from the farmer?
11:59Yes, there is such a big mess about ballistic missiles.
12:03After the announcement, when the sanctions were imposed, then the news came.
12:07So why didn't they know?
12:09The second thing you said is also very important.
12:13That is, what is the priority of the current government?
12:17Its priority is to somehow take a loan, somehow spend it.
12:22Somehow, you saw how much has been increased in the salaries of the entire assembly in Punjab.
12:28Unreasonable at a very bad time.
12:31It's not a very bad time, it's the worst time.
12:34What do we have other than demand?
12:36What is ours on which we will give the next budget?
12:39This system, this entire system has isolated Pakistan internationally.
12:44They have no credibility.
12:46Then the countries in which they go to talk or ask for a loan,
12:50so assume that this shopper has gone there, he has gone to fill it.
12:54This is a shopper, fill it.
12:57On the one hand, there is a lot of talk of democracy,
12:59and on the name of democratic values,
13:01made for their NGOs.
13:03Now they have told that from USD or from whom, I don't know.
13:07But my question is that PTI is looking towards America.
13:11And they sit in Pakistan and have a stylish conversation about America.
13:16What you said, absolutely not.
13:19Imran Khan had said it absolutely right,
13:21because we were being asked for dens,
13:23a corridor was being asked for Afghanistan.
13:25It should still be the same, right?
13:27It is the same, what else?
13:28Why are you looking at Donald Trump?
13:30It is still the same.
13:31Did Donald Trump invite Pakistan for a tour?
13:33No, the entire PTI is on this.
13:35They are not completely on their knees,
13:37that Donald Trump will come and free Imran Khan.
13:39The knees are on Allah, after that it is on you people,
13:42who are our voters.
13:43Apart from this, if there was a knee on someone,
13:45then the one who has a knee,
13:46once they are given a knee here,
13:48they go straight to London in a government plane,
13:50the second time they go to Jeddah,
13:52the third time they go for treatment.
13:55We are the ones who, after Allah,
13:58only bow down to Pakistan and the people of Pakistan.
14:01Now this is also their failure.
14:03I had told their three ministers
14:06to tweet criticism of Donald Trump.
14:09And then you had said that
14:11as soon as he wins, delete that tweet.
14:13And then this cameraman had told them
14:15that now you start fighting with Richard.
14:19And I thank him,
14:21the entire nation should pay for that.
14:23And then this television put a tweet against him in Urdu
14:26and thought that it will not be translated into English.
14:28Google translated it and exposed that television.
14:31So this is the work that all their loved ones are doing.
14:35PTI has not done anything yet.
14:37PTI will do it, Inshallah.
14:39Next year Imran Khan is absolutely right.
14:42I say on the basis of my small information,
14:45next year is ours, Inshallah.
14:47It is PTI's. 2025 is PTI's.
14:49Inshallah.
14:50Are you coming back in a hurry?
14:51Are you coming out of jail?
14:52Yes, it will be fine in every way.
14:54Because...
14:55Because of Donald Trump?
14:56No, not at all.
14:58Because the system has been completely exposed,
15:01the system has failed,
15:03in the whole world.
15:05You see, for the first time,
15:07the European Union,
15:09on the day off,
15:10the connections of our MTC's trial,
15:12condemns them, rejects them.
15:14America does it.
15:15Britain does it.
15:17They don't reject us from Israel.
15:21We should take their words with a pinch of salt, right?
15:24No, look,
15:26Shahbaz Sharif was sitting on a horse with a sword,
15:29Salahuddin was going as UB,
15:31we caught him and stopped him.
15:32Why doesn't he do something?
15:34The work of the government in power is to do it.
15:37They should do it.
15:38When America was not getting a way out of Afghanistan,
15:42for the peace in the neighborhood,
15:44we helped them.
15:45You have said this very important, Babar sahib.
15:47Listen,
15:48Secondly,
15:50when you give an example of Israel,
15:52Israel is an illegitimate child of the West,
15:55and it is a control over the Palestinian lands.
15:58Every action of it is acceptable,
16:00it should be done.
16:02Who is the one whose delegation is going to Israel?
16:04Who is the one whose people have gone for trade,
16:07and their pictures have been published?
16:09They have been published in this era, right?
16:11In Imran Khan's era,
16:12there was a news about the helicopter.
16:14That is also wrong.
16:15No, this is absolutely right.
16:17If it is wrong on the government's television,
16:18then tell them that it is wrong on the government's television.
16:20This is an invitation to the government to come to my show.
16:23They are ready to go to any place in the world
16:26to boot polish them.
16:29Israel is responsible for this.
16:32Whatever is happening on Gaza,
16:33our hearts are also crying.
16:34We go out to protest on it.
16:36Their government does the introduction.
16:38That is wrong.
16:39Today, the Jamaat-e-Islami has come out,
16:40but Babar sahib,
16:41you have said a very important thing about Afghanistan.
16:43About Afghanistan,
16:44there is an attack from there.
16:46The TTP is supported by the TTA.
16:48They attack here,
16:49and martyred our soldiers.
16:51When Pakistan talks about doing something there,
16:54Imran Khan sahib says that this is very wrong.
16:56So, the martyrs who are being martyred,
16:57aren't they wrong?
16:58No, no.
16:59Why isn't there a statement on it?
17:00Who has said that the martyrs who are being martyred,
17:01aren't they wrong?
17:02Why isn't there a statement on it?
17:03No, they are our children.
17:04There will be another statement.
17:05They are our brothers.
17:06I belong to such a family,
17:08and from such an area.
17:10There is a soldier in every house.
17:12And in my own family,
17:13including my in-laws,
17:15there is a martyr in every house.
17:17So, what he says is nonsense.
17:19This is the propaganda of the Sharif League.
17:23What Khan sahib says,
17:24there are two things about him.
17:25He is consistent.
17:26One,
17:27in our own country,
17:28on our own people,
17:29we should not operate through force.
17:32This is number one.
17:33And do you remember,
17:34when the operation of Fatah was taking place,
17:35he took a peaceful march and went there.
17:37The second thing is,
17:38you should keep a normal relationship with your neighbours.
17:41Neighbours should beat you with shoes,
17:42with missiles,
17:43with guns.
17:44Who said this?
17:45Who said this?
17:46They are doing it.
17:47So, go back a little.
17:48When did this start?
17:49Zia-ul-Haq was the martial law administrator
17:51who brought the world's jihadists to Pakistan.
17:53Imran Khan was a player at that time.
17:55Will I be a student or will I be a lawyer?
17:57One.
17:58The second thing is,
17:59when did all these situations become normal
18:03that there is no drone attack,
18:05there is no attack from Afghanistan.
18:07And in whose era,
18:08channels were opened through which
18:10the trade,
18:11which had never gone above 2 billion,
18:13multiplied.
18:14It was Imran Khan.
18:15It was a policy.
18:16This is not my question.
18:17This is the question of DGISPR.
18:19In whose era was TTP re-established?
18:22In whose era?
18:23Wait a minute.
18:24Yes.
18:25One by one.
18:26In the era of Bajwa.
18:28Was it the era of Bajwa?
18:29Yes, yes.
18:30The era of Bajwa.
18:31I am not saying this.
18:33Rana Sanaullah,
18:36he is also a lawyer for you.
18:38You can ask him if he has a tweet or not.
18:41You are talking about the tweet of 2022.
18:43Obviously.
18:44This conversation started at that time.
18:46But Mr. Khan.
18:47Please listen.
18:48Yes.
18:49At that time,
18:50it was his pride.
18:51It was not our pride.
18:52What he tweeted as a minister was that
18:54our National Security Council meeting has been held.
18:57Who does not sit in it?
18:58All institutions sit.
18:59Then he said that
19:00General Bajwa and so and so
19:02and so and so were also present.
19:04So we made this decision.
19:06Then the Cabinet also decided.
19:08All these discussions on our borders.
19:11What do you think,
19:12who decides in this?
19:14Prime Minister.
19:15Who briefs the Prime Minister?
19:18Agencies.
19:19No.
19:20Those who have operational command brief him.
19:24Are you talking about the Chief of Army Staff?
19:26I am talking about Bajwa.
19:28When you play one down,
19:30it means politics is happening.
19:32No, no.
19:33This is a very simple thing.
19:34But the Prime Minister is the ultimate decision maker.
19:37Despite this,
19:38our position is still the same.
19:40Look,
19:41when Nawaz Sharif stands up and says
19:43that there is no objection to him,
19:45he says that this is a line.
19:47This is the line of the bargain.
19:49We are there too.
19:50We are here too.
19:51Irresponsible statement.
19:52Okay, that was an irresponsible statement.
19:54When we say that
19:55there should be peace on the border with Iran
19:58and with Afghanistan,
20:00what is irresponsible in this?
20:02The peace thing is absolutely right, Mr. Babar.
20:04The peace thing is 100%.
20:06But supporting terrorism…
20:08No one has supported it in Pakistan.
20:10That is important.
20:11And Pakistan's justice system
20:13was made for peace.
20:15It will stand for peace and justice.
20:18And we will do everything…
20:20I don't want this certificate from anyone.
20:22Got your point, Mr. Babar.
20:23Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
20:25We will continue the show after the break.
20:31Welcome back after the break.
20:32Let's try to understand the government's stance.
20:34Let's try to understand the PMLN's stance.
20:36Mr. Mian Javed Latif is with us.
20:38Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
20:40Mr. Mian, you were saying a few days ago
20:42and you have reiterated in my program
20:44and in other programs as well
20:46that there is a lot of external pressure
20:49on Pakistan at this time
20:51to release Imran Khan and his Jamaat
20:54or to release them.
20:56I asked Mr. Narayana Sinhaullah
20:58that Mr. Mian Javed Latif is saying this
21:00as if he has his own information.
21:02But according to my information,
21:04no country has given any statement
21:06or message to the government of Pakistan
21:09in this regard, including USA.
21:12So Mr. Mian Javed Latif,
21:14on the basis of the information you are saying
21:17that there is an external conspiracy,
21:19please tell us that as well.
21:23Look Anika, unfortunately,
21:26Pakistan is getting caught up
21:29in new and new conspiracies every day.
21:32And there is an impression that
21:36such and such person is accepted
21:38and his propaganda is being sold a lot.
21:41Brother, until you tell the truth to the nation,
21:46you will not trust the nation,
21:49how will the nation stand with you?
21:52On one hand, you say that
21:54he is a criminal who did it on 9th and 10th.
21:57On the other hand, you say that
21:59there was a conspiracy against Pakistan
22:01on 26th November.
22:02On one hand, you say that
22:04the cypher wave was a conspiracy
22:06against Pakistan.
22:08On the other hand, you say
22:10that there is no pressure.
22:12Then brother, tell me that
22:14the people of PTI hired the lobbying firm
22:19and what was the foreign funding?
22:22The money of foreign funding
22:24is not speaking today.
22:26The government that is going to be formed
22:29in America,
22:31in which he will have a very good role,
22:34those who are listening,
22:36then where does the money speak from?
22:38And then you tell me that
22:40on one hand, the lobbying firm
22:42is doing against the state
22:44for the community of a state.
22:46And on the other hand,
22:48the state is kicking its feet.
22:50There is no such thing in the world
22:52that today your neighbor,
22:54with whom you are always in danger,
22:56or you fulfill your defense needs
22:58by seeing him,
23:00he is lobbying for his state
23:02with the coming government.
23:04And you are saving yourself
23:06from your state's community
23:08that he is lobbying
23:10against your state.
23:12So what could be a bigger proof
23:14than this
23:16that he is lobbying
23:18against that community?
23:22What action do you want
23:24against the PTI?
23:26What action should be taken?
23:28What are you saying?
23:30You are saying that
23:32what bigger reason would be needed
23:34to take action against that community?
23:36What action, Mr. Mian?
23:38The action is that
23:40the nation should be trusted.
23:42This is the biggest action.
23:44The biggest need today is
23:46to tell the truth
23:48that General Faiz Hameed
23:50was a rebel
23:52in the institute.
23:54He is not arrested
23:56because of any housing society.
23:58The truth should be told
24:00that who all were involved
24:02in that rebellion
24:04and what were their goals
24:06and to what extent
24:08did they get the approval
24:10of the international committees.
24:12Did General Faiz Hameed
24:14rebel by himself
24:16or did he plan it?
24:18He could not.
24:20Along with him,
24:22were the chiefs
24:24of the court
24:26who said good to see you
24:28on 9th and 10th of May,
24:30were not present?
24:32And the first senior,
24:34Saqib Nisar,
24:36was not present?
24:38And General Faiz Hameed
24:40and Imran Khan
24:42and General Aslam
24:44and General Pasha
24:46were not there
24:48to save General Faiz Hameed?
24:54Mr. Tumiyan,
24:56if all these things are true
24:58then the government
25:00has an open charge sheet.
25:02And the government
25:04is looking for all the points
25:06that can be used against PTI.
25:08If all these things are true
25:10then Dindora should have been beaten.
25:12There must be a reason
25:14for not beating Dindora.
25:16Are these evidences
25:18too much?
25:20No, Anika,
25:22listen to me with courage.
25:24This is not a matter
25:26of two governments.
25:28This is a matter
25:30of the state.
25:32Tell me,
25:34if that super power,
25:36that powerful and light
25:38Pakistan,
25:40is being pressured
25:42to leave
25:44Adiala?
25:46He is not a traitor.
25:48He is not involved in his love.
25:50He has his own needs.
25:52He has his own priorities.
25:54He wants to fulfill
25:56his agenda
25:58for that person.
26:00Whether it is Palestine,
26:02Libya, Iraq
26:04or Syria.
26:06He is not interested in Iran.
26:08And if he is interested,
26:10then he wants to keep Pakistan
26:12at a distance.
26:14Is it not true
26:16that he wants to close
26:18the CPEC in Pakistan?
26:20Is it not true
26:22that he wants,
26:24especially his new
26:26regime,
26:28that you stand with India
26:30and stand against China
26:32and are being
26:34asked to stand with India
26:36in the future?
26:38But this responsibility
26:40of saying that
26:42this is a matter
26:44of the state
26:46and the institutions
26:48will cater to it
26:50is not wrong.
26:52This is what the government
26:54has to say.
26:56If it's a matter of the state,
26:58then the government
27:00is in power
27:02No, Nikka, look, as much as the government is in power, as much as it is in power to make
27:12foreign policy, today at least do not lie, today at least do not deceive each other.
27:19For God's sake, the circumstances of Pakistan and the pressure to rise in the coming days,
27:26the reasons for rising, as I mentioned China, as I talk about access to the nuclear program,
27:35this was also the case in the era of Pravesh Musharraf and some things were decided underhand
27:41and those talks were also being decided with Imran Khan, talks were also being made to accept Israel
27:47and the way Imran Khan, as Prime Minister, stood in the assembly and said that our responsibility
27:55is that our army sold the Pakistanis to America at a high price, sold them to the world powers.
28:04At that time, the Aadhaars should have stood up.
28:07At that time, the Aadhaars' translators would have said that this is a lie.
28:12But the problem is that Musharraf's own book says such things that if anyone lies to him,
28:17then that is a problem.
28:18Obviously, he was also a dictator at that time and at that time he was in power.
28:24But my question is, you said that relations with Israel were being rectified in the era of Imran Khan.
28:31A little while ago, Babar Awan was saying that in the era of this government,
28:35relations with Israel are being rectified.
28:38How true is this and how false is this? Tell me.
28:42Okay, tell me, the massacres that took place in Gaza, did Imran Khan ever mention that
28:54the lobbying firm that has been hired, the Congress that approves its terms,
29:01should they ever tell the lobbying firm to approve the terms for Gaza as well?
29:08Because the lobbying firm belongs to them, they are the ones who give the money.
29:11Then you tell me, the terrorism that is taking place in Pakistan by Afghanistan,
29:20so our Aadhaars, in order to save Pakistan or to target those terrorists,
29:27immediately accused Imran Khan of it and said that this is their internal matter,
29:34there should be no interference.
29:36So is Pakistan dear to them or are the people of the world dear to them
29:41who want to weaken Pakistan or are terrorizing here?
29:45No one knows this.
29:47And then is this not the truth? I am saying this again and again, Anika,
29:51that the person from whom Imran Khan and his team are hoping,
30:01the people who used to abuse him that we are slaves,
30:04today the people who have become slaves and are hoping for him,
30:09they have no relationship with him.
30:12The reason is that they have done a favor on Trump.
30:16The favor was that when he went to America as the Prime Minister,
30:22he met Trump and he said that he is a very good friend of mine,
30:27and he accepted the truce in India and Pakistan.
30:32He came to Pakistan and said that the reception I am seeing today,
30:38I feel like I have won the second world cup and the next day I was captured in Kashmir.
30:44Where was that truce that the Americans were unable to solve in 70 years?
30:54Mr. Khan did it in one visit.
31:00The problem is that in our country,
31:05almost every political party has been accused of being a traitor.
31:10At this time, Imran Khan is accused of being an agent of the Israeli and American lobby.
31:15The government is putting it. You people are putting it.
31:18But the problem is that when Mr. Nawaz Sharif was accused of being a friend of India,
31:25that too could not be proven right.
31:27Now this accusation against Imran Khan, how will it be proven right?
31:30The government is quiet. You are speaking.
31:32No, Anika. I am speaking as a Pakistani.
31:39I am very clear.
31:41Tell me that today restrictions were imposed on me and my Pakistan.
31:46And you should be happy that our lobbying firm did a lot of work.
31:53Today, there are restrictions on Pakistan that you cannot expand your technology.
32:02But my neighboring country, which is always a threat to me,
32:08should continue to expand its technology.
32:13And I have to face restrictions.
32:18I cannot accept this.
32:20Look, if someone imposes restrictions on us,
32:23if someone tells us to sell our dignity for dollars,
32:29to mortgage our freedom,
32:32then forgive us, Anika.
32:34We have seen this time.
32:37Even in 1998, we, the Pakistanis, saw this time.
32:42Restrictions were imposed, but we fought back.
32:46We cannot bow our heads.
32:50We can get our heads chopped off for the safety of this Pakistan.
32:54So you see such a big threat, Mr. Mian?
32:58Such a big threat?
33:01No, not at all, Anika.
33:04I say that today, if the institutions of Pakistan,
33:09their translations, the government of Pakistan,
33:13do not keep the facts in front of the people,
33:17then God forbid, anything that is being planned against Pakistan,
33:24and even from within Pakistan,
33:27which is being given to them to some extent,
33:31by a group, two groups, or some individuals,
33:35can cause harm to Pakistan.
33:38Therefore, for the well-being of the Pakistani people,
33:42whatever has been done against us,
33:45from 2014 to today,
33:47it should be kept clear in front of the people,
33:50why the international forces want to put pressure on Pakistan,
33:54through financial institutions,
33:56why are there restrictions on Pakistan,
33:58or why is that weapon being used?
34:01We are standing, we will stand,
34:04and we will show that we are one nation.
34:06And see, the world knows,
34:08that when we face the need to become a nation,
34:11when we face the need to become a nation,
34:14when we face the need to become a nation,
34:17That is why I am saying,
34:19that we can become a nation and face them.
34:22I have 30 seconds,
34:23you are saying that Mr. Imran Khan is someone's idol,
34:26but there is a lot more leadership in PTI,
34:28can there be any doubt on his leadership?
34:31He is also a Pakistani.
34:33Look, listen to me,
34:36Anika, please give me some time to complete this sentence.
34:40We do not doubt anyone,
34:44we tell the situation.
34:46Tell me,
34:48on one hand you say that we are slaves,
34:51and on the other hand,
34:53you are begging for your freedom from them.
34:56By putting restrictions on Pakistan,
34:59you are writing letters to financial institutions,
35:02you are using their congress,
35:04your leadership,
35:06your representatives,
35:08you are meeting their relatives,
35:10Goldsmith is playing his role,
35:13Israel is playing its role,
35:15India is playing its role.
35:17Thank you very much for joining us.
35:19The time for this segment is over.
35:21Now we are going to talk about the issue of Kurram,
35:23and the protest in Karachi.
35:25After a break.
35:27Welcome back after a break.
35:29Ladies and gentlemen,
35:30the situation of Parachinar,
35:31all of us Pakistanis,
35:33are saddened at this time.
35:36But in Karachi,
35:38there is a formal protest,
35:40there is a protest by MWM,
35:42and there is a protest on the roads of Karachi.
35:44This protest has been going on for 4-5 days,
35:46and the people of Karachi are facing problems because of this.
35:48The issue is in KPK,
35:50the protest is happening in Karachi,
35:52how much impact will it have in KPK,
35:55considering that there has been no breakthrough yet,
35:58even through the Jirga.
36:00To talk about this,
36:02we have with us Mr. Murtaza Wahab.
36:04He is the leader of Pakistan People's Party,
36:06he is the Mayor of Karachi,
36:08and he is the spokesperson of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
36:10Mr. Wahab, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
36:12This protest by MWM,
36:14which is happening in Karachi,
36:16in the issue of KPK,
36:18which is happening in Parachinar,
36:20Mr. Murtaza Wahab,
36:22there is a strange situation for the people of Karachi,
36:24it has become difficult for them to commute,
36:26people are missing their flights,
36:28there are problems for people.
36:30Did you or the People's Party
36:32have a formal discussion with MWM,
36:34on the basis of which,
36:36at least for the people of Karachi,
36:38it became easier?
36:40This is a very pertinent question,
36:42and my point of view on this issue,
36:44I mentioned it in the media yesterday,
36:46as a political worker,
36:48as a citizen,
36:50as a law student,
36:52I think that the responsibility of the state,
36:54should be fulfilled.
36:58And if a person,
37:00or a political party,
37:02has any objection,
37:04then they have the right to protest.
37:06But to protest,
37:08there are some objectives,
37:10some parameters,
37:12I have to say,
37:14with great regret,
37:16that the people of Karachi,
37:18are suffering,
37:20a situation,
37:22which they don't deserve.
37:24This incident,
37:26is a very unfortunate incident,
37:28it pertains to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
37:30the government there,
37:32is Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
37:34The people who have protested here,
37:36belong to MWM,
37:38which is an alliance of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
37:40Today and yesterday,
37:42they were allies.
37:44So instead of protesting in Peshawar,
37:46protesting in front of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's
37:48Prime Minister,
37:50protesting in front of the Home Minister,
37:52or the Law Minister,
37:54they have protested in front of Karachi.
37:56And in Karachi,
37:58it is not like,
38:00they are sitting on a side.
38:02The important arteries,
38:04the important locations,
38:06the road has been blocked there,
38:08due to which,
38:10people's income is being affected,
38:12people are getting stuck in traffic,
38:14ambulances are getting stuck,
38:16the administration's vehicles,
38:18the government's vehicles,
38:20they are having difficulty in their performance.
38:22So yesterday I spoke about this,
38:24but MWM's friends didn't like what I said,
38:26and they...
38:28But Mr. Murthy,
38:30can I say something?
38:32Can I say something?
38:34Can I say something?
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38:58Can I say something?
39:00Mr. Shah said that
39:02he has been conveyed that
39:04we are sitting peacefully on the side,
39:06we have not blocked any road.
39:08So I requested him
39:10that this is a little
39:12wrong.
39:14Roads have been blocked
39:16at different locations
39:18where they are sitting,
39:20the traffic is badly affected by it.
39:22I said this yesterday as well,
39:24let me repeat it again,
39:26that if MWM's friends have any objections,
39:28they can protest peacefully.
39:30They can definitely do it.
39:32We are with them
39:34on this objection.
39:36But if they want to do it on any ground,
39:38we will provide them that ground.
39:40Instead of sitting on Namaish Chaurangi,
39:42if they go and sit on Nashtar Park,
39:44then we will give them permission.
39:46If they want to protest
39:48in front of Mazar-e-Quaid,
39:50the big garden-like ground
39:52where Jalsas are held,
39:54they can do it.
39:56And as an administration,
39:58we will facilitate this.
40:00But if you block the important arteries
40:02of the city,
40:04then you are creating problems
40:06for the people of Karachi
40:08to solve the problems
40:10in Khaybar Pakhtunkhwa
40:12and Kurram.
40:14I think this is an inappropriate
40:16action and they should think about it.
40:18A while ago, Commissioner Karachi
40:20and Additional IG Karachi
40:22also went to Namaish Chaurangi
40:24and talked to them.
40:26But there has been no success.
40:28We are trying to solve this
40:30issue through dialogue.
40:32And we will try to solve it
40:34by tonight.
40:36Because tomorrow is Monday,
40:38people will go back to their offices
40:40and their factories.
40:42And people will face problems again.
40:44So we don't want people to face problems.
40:46I hope this will be solved today,
40:48because we are also afraid
40:50that after today,
40:52it will be the beginning
40:54of a new week.
40:56But let's move to another topic.
40:58The government is already
41:00stuck in a lot of problems.
41:02And an important part of
41:04the unity of the government
41:06is the People's Party.
41:08But because of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's
41:10recent statements,
41:12it seems that the distances
41:14are increasing.
41:16And there is a lot of skepticism.
41:18On one hand, there are people
41:20who are against the unity of the Government,
41:22but on the other hand,
41:24there is a lot of skepticism.
41:26What is happening?
41:28Has the unity of the government
41:30started to fall apart?
41:32Look, Bilawal's relationship
41:34with the PPP is that
41:36he is the chairman of the PPP.
41:38And this minority government
41:40is not the government
41:42of the PPP,
41:44but of the Muslim League Nawaz.
41:46So thinking
41:48will not express his point of view or his objection.
41:51I think it is unfair to expect this.
41:55Mr. Bilawal is leading a political party, leading people.
41:59And when Mr. Bilawal was forming this government,
42:02there was an agreement between Pakistan People's Party and Muslim League Nawaz.
42:07Mr. Bilawal's point of view and People's Party's point of view is that
42:11the parameters or contours that were decided in that agreement,
42:15the parameters of the Muslim League Nawaz,
42:17whether it is a loyal government or a Punjab government,
42:20are not being fulfilled in that way, are not being met.
42:23So, as a political leader, Mr. Bilawal is conveying his point of view.
42:28These rumours that a national government is being formed,
42:32or Mr. Bilawal is trying to exert pressure,
42:35no, we have a very clear point of view.
42:38We were unconditionally, without any cabinet portfolio,
42:41we were a part of this loyal government on certain conditions.
42:45Those conditions were that how the public sector development portfolio will be made,
42:50how the sustainable development goals will be allocated,
42:55which unfortunately did not happen in that way.
42:58Similarly, we have a government in Subah-e-Sindh, we have a government in Balochistan.
43:02Mr. Bilawal had promised the people here, the people affected by the floods,
43:09that we will get your houses built for you.
43:12For this, the Sindh government has got the allocation from the International Organization,
43:17World Bank, etc., and from its own fund.
43:21But the reciprocal funding that was required from the loyal government,
43:25that has not been done yet.
43:27So, Mr. Bilawal is conveying his point of view,
43:29and wants that the loyal government meets our objections,
43:33and satisfies them, so that we can move forward.
43:36Mr. Bilawal, two things are very interesting in the conversation you just had.
43:41First, you said that we are not a part of this government, we are a part of the alliance.
43:45Secondly, you said that we unconditionally expressed our readiness to become a part of this government.
43:51So, first of all, let's clear that you are a part of the government or not,
43:55because yesterday when I was talking to Mr. Hanif Abbasi,
43:58he was saying that the President is yours, the Governors are yours,
44:01you have a government in two provinces, you are a part of the alliance,
44:05so how can you not be a part of the government?
44:07This is like taking yourself out of the butter.
44:11So, is the People's Party, I am confused by what you just said,
44:14that you are a part of the government or not?
44:16Let me explain. Mr. Hanif Abbasi is a senior parliamentarian.
44:21He has been in the assembly since 2003.
44:24Read the article 90 and article 91 of the constitution,
44:27that what is a federal government?
44:29A federal government is a cabinet.
44:31It is led by the Prime Minister and his cabinet colleagues.
44:35The People's Party has neither a Prime Minister nor a Prime Minister.
44:38That is why we are not a part of a loyal government.
44:40Yes, we have supported the minority government, Muslim League Nawaz.
44:45Unconditionally in such a way that we said that we do not want a ministry.
44:49MKM has taken a ministry.
44:51The Muslim League, the Taaf League has taken a ministry.
44:55The People's Party is not a part of a loyal government.
44:58That is why we say that we were unconditionally supporting them.
45:03We used to sit on the treasury benches and some conditions were set to sit there.
45:08And those conditions are written in the agreement
45:11that how to address the PSDP, how to address the SDGs.
45:15There should be a meeting of the Council of Common Interest.
45:18The Prime Minister is the head of the loyal government.
45:21Article 153 and article 154 of the constitution say that
45:25the Council of Common Interest will hold a meeting every three months
45:29to resolve the issues of loyalty and the provinces.
45:33It has been ten months now.
45:35The Prime Minister has not called a single meeting of the Council of Common Interest.
45:40I was talking to Governor Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
45:43I asked him about Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
45:46He said that the Prime Minister has not visited Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in ten months.
45:53These issues need to be resolved.
45:56People's Party thinks that the Prime Minister is Pakistan.
46:00They should not only think about Central Punjab.
46:04They should think about every province of Pakistan where people face problems.
46:09And if as their supporter, Bilawal sir raises some of his objections,
46:15it does not mean that pressure is being exerted.
46:19It means that we have objections on some basis.
46:23And it is the duty of the Prime Minister or the loyal government to address the objections.