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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Asad Qaiser PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
Asad Qaiser says 'PTI will definitely observe Black Day on February 8'
"Barrister Gohar aur Army Chief ki meeting ko misquote kiya gaya...", Asad Qaiser
"Mujhe Herani Hai Kay Imran Khan Ko Saza Kay Bad Bhi...", Mohammad Zubair
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Asad Qaiser PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
Asad Qaiser says 'PTI will definitely observe Black Day on February 8'
"Barrister Gohar aur Army Chief ki meeting ko misquote kiya gaya...", Asad Qaiser
"Mujhe Herani Hai Kay Imran Khan Ko Saza Kay Bad Bhi...", Mohammad Zubair
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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's core committee has a meeting in a few minutes, and very important
00:20decisions are going to be taken in this meeting.
00:25Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has announced a 14-year sentence for Mr. Imran Khan, and a 7-year
00:30sentence for Ms. Bushra.
00:32After this sentence, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is saying that they were waiting for this
00:37decision.
00:38Mr. Imran Khan was waiting for this decision.
00:40And after the decision, when the appeal will be sent, then this is a case of two or three
00:44cases.
00:45Yesterday, in my program, Sheikh Waqas Akram said this.
00:47Now, the confirmation of this has come from the family of Mr. Imran Khan.
00:52Ms. Aleema Khan has also said this.
00:55Mr. Imran Khan wanted his sentence to be announced on the 23rd, so that we can take him to the
00:59High Court.
01:00In the sentence, he said that the bribe was from Al-Qadar University.
01:04This is such a bad case, that obviously, when he goes to the High Court, he should not even
01:09have two hearings, and the judges should throw him out of the High Court.
01:16Now, this is a case of two hearings.
01:18Ms. Aleema Khan is talking about two hearings.
01:22They also think that this case will not stand, because this is an open-shut case.
01:25But they are looking at the flip side.
01:27Not just that.
01:28The Minister of Information, the Chief Minister of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Mr. Ali Ameen
01:32Gandapur, who generally spreads fire and flames on the government, he is very critical.
01:38An interesting thing has been said about him.
01:40He spreads fire on the camera, but in reality, he is a very good personality.
01:44He is the leader of PTI, a very good personality.
01:46So, this praise is also interesting.
01:49First, listen to the story of those two hearings, and then listen to the praise of the leaders
01:54of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, in the words of the Minister of Information of PMLN.
02:20Now, you have heard this.
02:22Now, let's talk about some dates.
02:24These two hearings, these two presentations, there is a stance on both sides.
02:28And on both sides, they are thinking that the case will go to them in an appeal.
02:32But, along with this, the demand that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's negotiation team had put
02:38forward to the government, they have also put forward the demand that the government
02:45has put forward to the government for seven days.
02:52Now, those seven days are ending next Friday night.
02:55This means that this date will end on January 23rd.
02:58Before that, it is January 20th.
03:00On January 20th, it is the birthday of Donald Trump.
03:02That is also an important date.
03:04Along with this, let's go to January 31st.
03:06This is the cut-off date that was given by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:10Now, let's go to another date.
03:15That date, Faisal Chaudhary has said that Imran Khan has announced from the jail
03:19that on February 8th, there will be a shutter down and on top of that, Yom-e-Siyah will be celebrated.
03:24Listen.
03:25Imran Khan has announced this on February 8th to the whole country and to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
03:30and to Ali Amin Ghandaspur especially.
03:33We will celebrate Yom-e-Siyah and on that day, we will also call for a shutter down.
03:38Now, this call is very interesting because it is February 20th, 23rd, 31st and 8th.
03:45Now, will there be any change during this time or not?
03:49That is an important question.
03:51But, we are talking about the negotiation team.
03:54Irfan Siddiqui has tweeted about the meeting with the Army Chief.
04:00Remember that before this, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has clearly said that we have to meet the establishment.
04:08We don't want to meet anyone other than the army.
04:10After that, the matter changed and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf took the lead and announced the negotiation team.
04:15Then, the government formed the negotiation team and now, their meetings are going on.
04:19These meetings have not ended yet.
04:21But, Irfan Siddiqui says that if the meeting has already happened where you wanted to meet,
04:26then what will be the result of the meeting of the negotiation team or these meetings?
04:33When they say that our conversation has started directly at the highest military level and it is very satisfying,
04:40then the people who are sitting in front of us, tell them to leave this effort.
04:45We have found the door that we have been trying to open for a year and it has been opened.
04:49Now, there is no point in looking through small doors, windows and lights.
04:53Make them understand.
04:57Mr. Asad Qaiser is with us.
04:59He is the senior leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
05:02He is the former speaker of the National Assembly.
05:04Thank you very much, Mr. Asad, for joining us.
05:06And, I understand that this is a very crucial and important time.
05:09But, you have fulfilled your commitment.
05:11You had committed to come to my program.
05:13Mr. Asad, the meeting of the core committee was supposed to happen at 10 o'clock.
05:16I mean, it must have started now.
05:18What is the agenda of this meeting?
05:20What important things will happen?
05:22What decisions will be made?
05:25Look, there will be a full discussion on the political scenario that is going on now.
05:29Especially, the case that has come against Mr. Khan,
05:35and the legal and political aspects of it.
05:44Along with that, there will be discussions on everything.
05:47We are trying to build a new alliance.
05:51All these discussions will take place in the large core committee.
05:54And, there will be a full debate and discussion on it.
05:56And, the proposals that will be made will go to Mr. Khan.
06:01Mr. Asad Qaiser, some dates are very important.
06:04Let's go to those dates.
06:06One is the date of the inauguration of Donald Trump on 20th January.
06:10And, there is a diaspora of Pakistanis in America.
06:13Pakistan is on the side of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
06:15After that, on 23rd January, you have given 7 days.
06:19Within 7 days, there will be a judicial commission.
06:21You can see the judicial commission being made in 7 days.
06:24And then, the cut-off date of 31st January, which was given by Mr. Khan.
06:28And then, the date of 8th February has come.
06:30Are you pre-empting the PTI?
06:32That, nothing is going to happen.
06:34That's why, we have to celebrate 8th February from today.
06:37No, we will definitely celebrate 8th February.
06:40Because, 8th February has been taken away from us by force.
06:45This is the worst day in the history of Pakistan.
06:52This is a black day.
06:54When you don't accept the mandate of your people.
06:59And, instead of accepting the mandate of your people,
07:02you make the people sit on the defeated side.
07:04So, what can be a bigger disaster than this?
07:07So, we will do that in every situation.
07:09We will definitely celebrate this as a black day.
07:12Because, this is a black day.
07:14On the same day, the rights of the people have been looted.
07:19The right of the people to vote has been taken away.
07:24The message has been given to the people.
07:27You are not a human being.
07:29You don't have any status.
07:31You can do whatever you want.
07:33We will do whatever we want.
07:35You can elect anyone you want.
07:37This is a democratic country.
07:39This is a sham democracy.
07:42And, we will do whatever we want.
07:44This is just a show to the world that people are voting.
07:47So, this is a very big thing.
07:49Since this day, there has been no constitution, no law.
07:52Everything has been destroyed.
07:55Now, we have to celebrate this day as a black day.
07:58This is our constitutional right.
08:00Mr. Gandhi, you just said that the government is not worthy of sitting with them.
08:06But, the negotiations are going on with them.
08:08And, the talks are also going on with them.
08:10So, the government perceives that you have accepted their mandate.
08:14That is why you are sitting with them.
08:16Otherwise, there would have been no negotiations.
08:18No, we are sitting in the assembly.
08:20We are sitting in the assembly as a protest.
08:22We had the option of not sitting with them.
08:25But, we can do whatever we want.
08:28We can express our point of view.
08:31We are availing the opportunities that are available to us.
08:35This doesn't mean that we are accepting it.
08:38So, we are sitting in the assembly.
08:42This is an opportunity.
08:44This is a show to the world.
08:46So, we are sitting in the assembly.
08:48We are sitting in the assembly.
08:50We are sitting in the assembly.
08:52We are sitting in the assembly.
08:54We are sitting in the assembly.
08:56We are sitting in the assembly.
08:58We are sitting in the assembly.
09:00We are sitting in the assembly.
09:02We are sitting in the assembly.
09:04We are sitting in the assembly.
09:06We are sitting in the assembly.
09:08We are sitting in the assembly.
09:10We are sitting in the assembly.
09:12We are sitting in the assembly.
09:14We are sitting in the assembly.
09:16We are sitting in the assembly.
09:18We are sitting in the assembly.
09:20We are sitting in the assembly.
09:22We are sitting in the assembly.
09:24We are sitting in the assembly.
09:26We are sitting in the assembly.
09:28We are sitting in the assembly.
09:30We are sitting in the assembly.
09:32We are sitting in the assembly.
09:34We are sitting in the assembly.
09:36We are sitting in the assembly.
09:38We are sitting in the assembly.
09:40We are sitting in the assembly.
09:42Our compulsion is Pakistan.
09:44Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:46Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:48Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:50Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:52Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:54Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:56Our compulsion is the people of our country.
09:58Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:00Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:02Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:04Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:06Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:08Our compulsion is the people of our country.
10:10There is an illegal government in the country.
10:12There is an illegal government in the country.
10:14There is no legal government in the country.
10:16There is no legal government in the country.
10:18There is no civil supremacy in the country.
10:20There is no civil supremacy in the country.
10:22There is a violation of human rights in the country.
10:24There is a violation of human rights in the country.
10:26What is our way?
10:28What is our way?
10:30We are raising our voice.
10:32We are raising our voice.
10:34We are protesting.
10:36We are protesting.
10:38We are protesting.
10:40We are protesting.
10:42We are protesting.
10:44We are protesting.
10:46We are protesting.
10:48We are protesting.
10:50We are protesting.
10:52We are protesting.
10:54We are protesting.
10:56We are protesting.
10:58We are protesting.
11:00We are protesting.
11:02We are protesting.
11:04We are protesting.
11:06Irfan Siddiqui has pointed towards a meeting.
11:08The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:10The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:12The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:14The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:16The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:18The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:20The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:22The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:24The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:26The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:28The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:30The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:32The meeting with Barrister Gauhar.
11:34Is there a reason for this?
11:36Is there a reason for this?
11:38Is there a reason for this?
11:40If they want to make an excuse.
11:42If they want to make an excuse.
11:44They can make an excuse.
11:46They can make an excuse.
11:48They can make an excuse.
11:50We will not give them an excuse.
11:52We will not give them an excuse.
11:54We will not give them an excuse.
11:56We will not give them an excuse.
11:58We will not give them an excuse.
12:00We will not give them an excuse.
12:02We will not give them an excuse.
12:04We will not give them an excuse.
12:06We will not give them an excuse.
12:08We will not give them an excuse.
12:10We will not give them an excuse.
12:12We will not give them an excuse.
12:14We will not give them an excuse.
12:16We will not give them an excuse.
12:18We will not give them an excuse.
12:20We will not give them an excuse.
12:22We will not give them an excuse.
12:24We will not give them an excuse.
12:26We will not give them an excuse.
12:28We will not give them an excuse.
12:30We will not give them an excuse.
12:32We will not give them an excuse.
12:34We will not give them an excuse.
12:36We will not give them an excuse.
12:38We will not give them an excuse.
12:40We will not give them an excuse.
12:42We will not give them an excuse.
12:44We will not give them an excuse.
12:46We will not give them an excuse.
12:48We will not give them an excuse.
12:50We will not give them an excuse.
12:52We will not give them an excuse.
12:54We will not give them an excuse.
12:56We will not give them an excuse.
12:58We will not give them an excuse.
13:00We will not give them an explanation.
13:02Okay, so what was the confirmation of this meeting? What were the conditions? Mr. Asad, please explain that.
13:10I have miscoded it. This meeting took place there. It was on the issue of security.
13:17And there were all political parties in it.
13:19And the views that are being made, the press and the government have also explained that it was a security issue.
13:27The institutions have also explained that it was a security issue.
13:30Everyone knows that. It has come to the public.
13:32So let's not make it a basis and talk about such things.
13:38Okay, so out of proportion, it's blowing up in other words. That's what you're saying.
13:43Okay, we have praised you. We have praised the leaders of PTI.
13:47And especially we have praised Mr. Ali Hamid Ghandapur.
13:50The Information Minister of Pakistan.
13:53He has also said that these fireballs rain on the on-screen camera.
13:57Now, Mr. Asad, I would like to mix this up with what Mr. Imran Khan had said.
14:02Did you want to meet Mr. Mohsin Naqvi, Mr. Ali Hamid Ghandapur?
14:05So why are you releasing pictures?
14:09So there is a doubt that it is not a situation of showing more teeth.
14:15What did the Information Minister say?
14:18Information Minister, I will tell you to be precise.
14:22He said that the PTI people are very good people behind the camera.
14:25We are friends with Ali Hamid.
14:27We sit together. He is a very good man.
14:29But in front of the camera, it is his requirement that he says that our people want to be a little strong.
14:36Mr. Asad.
14:39No, no, look, it's not like that at all.
14:42It's not like that at all.
14:44The responsibility of the leader is that he leads.
14:52Okay, he takes input from below, he takes advice.
14:56But the leader is big and then the leadership moves forward with a big vision.
15:02So with the advice of the workers, with the advice of the party, with the advice of the people.
15:08But the leadership moves forward with a vision and a banner.
15:14So we have a banner and a vision.
15:17The name of our party was justice.
15:20We are working for justice.
15:22And justice means that we have come to this country and why should we be afraid?
15:28But Mr. Asad, the problem is that he is being joined.
15:31He has to be joined.
15:33Because Mr. Imran Khan said that if you want to meet Mohsin Naqvi
15:37then you have to do it behind the scenes.
15:39His picture should not have come.
15:41Then there is a doubt that behind the scenes is really going on with a very low temperament.
15:48This thing should not come on camera because of politics.
15:53No, basically you know that Ali Meen is also a chief minister.
15:59He has government responsibilities.
16:01And because of that he has to meet.
16:03So Mr. Khan said something important.
16:06Because even if you meet in public.
16:10Because he himself said that if 10 bullets are shot, then no one will be left.
16:16So all the responsibilities were given by the interior minister.
16:21He also said this kind of thing.
16:23So definitely there is a lot of suspicion against our workers.
16:26So because of that, Mr. Khan said this.
16:29Because he is a chief minister, he also has his government duties.
16:34So according to that, he has to fulfill his duties.
16:38But we specifically told him that I do not say that you do not fulfill your duties.
16:42You have to meet him.
16:44But he has done a lot of injustice to us.
16:46So we have to take two steps back with him.
16:48I mean, stay on the side and run the matter.
16:52Okay.
16:53Mr. Asadqai, Mr. Rana Sanaullah said that we are ready to write.
16:58You have asked for a guarantee that the government should not interfere in the cases.
17:04Should not pressurize.
17:05He said that we are ready to write that we will not do this.
17:08Now keeping this in mind, what do you expect from Imran Khan's appeal, Mr. Asadqai?
17:16The first thing is that our number one demand is for a commission.
17:21This commission will be made only when the commission is made.
17:26First of all, the commission.
17:28Then we will not look at it like this.
17:30We will look at it like this.
17:32By looking at it practically, we will have to end the influence of the institutions on the courts.
17:40And the influence of the government, the way it controls the courts.
17:46The way it has been decided.
17:48This is not the judge's decision.
17:50This is the court's decision.
17:52That this has been written elsewhere.
17:54And before this, the paper was out.
17:57You know that you have some anchors.
18:00They were also saying that there will be so much punishment.
18:04And then the magistrate was saying that a narrative was being made.
18:08First of all, this is their first decision.
18:11I just want to ask you.
18:14Will no one be punished for this?
18:17I am a simple person, Mr. Asadqai.
18:21I am asking you the question.
18:23So it is very impossible for me to answer.
18:26But I can say that some journalists are also watching.
18:30Looking at the law, looking at the situation, they can match.
18:352 plus 2 is equal to 4 situation.
18:37But Mr. Asadqai, tell me this.
18:40If, for example, they do not say, they do not believe in the Judicial Commission.
18:45So should we consider the bag of negotiations round?
18:49Yes, absolutely.
18:51If it does not happen, then there is no negotiation.
18:56That is, next week, on the 23rd, it will be known whether the negotiations are going to happen or not.
19:02Or if they ask for time, will you give them time?
19:05These are seven working days.
19:07Let's see when they are completed.
19:12Mr. Asadqai, seven working days were made on the 23rd, right?
19:15If they say that we need time, let us negotiate with each other.
19:19If they do not respond within the seven working days,
19:25then it means that the government is not serious.
19:28If they do not want, then if they do not want,
19:30then we will consider that we do not negotiate.
19:36We have other options.
19:38And then what?
19:40God willing, we are doing it.
19:43First of all, on the 8th, we are celebrating a big Black Day.
19:47There will be a judicial protest on this.
19:50And we will celebrate the 8th as a Black Day.
19:56And at the same time...
19:59Mr. Asadqai, I am sorry, I am cutting you short.
20:01This means that the deadline for the 31st of January,
20:04should we consider it null and void?
20:06Now that deadline is over.
20:08Now it is the deadline for the seven working days.
20:10Is that correct?
20:12No, I do not say that.
20:14Because in the next seven days, we will see their response.
20:17After that, we will give them a job.
20:20But if they do not respond, then it is over.
20:24If they do not respond, then it is over.
20:29And then PTI will be in protest mode again.
20:33Is that correct?
20:34This time, our strategy will be different.
20:37We are calling all the opposition parties.
20:40All the Pakistanis, professors, doctors,
20:44intelligentsia, media,
20:48we are calling different people.
20:50We are communicating with them.
20:52We will call all the opposition parties.
20:54We will have a 2-3 day meeting.
20:57We will ask them, what do you want to do?
21:01How do you want to take the country forward?
21:03Mr. Asadqai, it is possible that this time,
21:05PTI will not protest, but will do something else.
21:08Is that what you are saying?
21:10No, I do not say that.
21:12I say that there will be a protest.
21:14But we will also take other people from the society with us.
21:18The people who play an important role in our community,
21:21who have lawyers, doctors, professors, teachers,
21:25media, and other political parties in the opposition,
21:31we will call all of them forward with a message
21:34that there should be a constitution in the country.
21:37There should be a rule of law.
21:39Did you meet Shahid Khan Abbasi?
21:41Yes.
21:42Okay.
21:43Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan.
21:45I met Shahid Khan Abbasi yesterday.
21:47He was present in my program yesterday.
21:49He was saying that the kind of protest that PTI does,
21:52I do not agree with the kind of protest and the kind of people
21:56who are being harassed.
21:59So, if there is a protest,
22:01then Shahid Khan Abbasi will not agree with that kind of protest.
22:05Although, ideologically, he is with you.
22:08According to Tehreek-e-Tahafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan
22:10and according to the constitution,
22:12can the strategy of protest be changed, Mr. Asad Qais?
22:17No, we will consult with him.
22:19When you take the alliance forward,
22:21we will move forward with everyone's consultation.
22:25Got your point.
22:26Got your point.
22:27Mr. Asad Qais, thank you very much.
22:28You joined us at a very crucial time,
22:30where the core committee is going to meet.
22:32Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
22:34With this, let's go towards the break.
22:35And after the break,
22:36let's try to understand the position of PML-N.
22:39See you after the break.
22:42Welcome back after the break.
22:43Before the break,
22:44Mr. Asad Qais was talking to the core committee
22:46of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
22:48He told us that the meeting will start at 10.
22:50But, obviously, it is a bit late.
22:52Mr. Qais was with us.
22:54And he was saying that
22:55we will be in a protest mode
22:57if there is no result of this meeting within a week.
23:00By result, I mean that
23:01we did not go to the Judicial Commission.
23:03Mr. Mian Javed Latif is with us.
23:05He is the senior leader of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
23:08Mr. Mian, this thing,
23:10that if there is no result of the Judicial Commission within a week,
23:15then Mr. Asad Qais has given a very important news
23:18in my program a while ago,
23:19that after that,
23:20we should understand the scope of the negotiations.
23:23Then, what will the government do, Mr. Mian,
23:26in your opinion?
23:27Should the government pursue the negotiations now or not?
23:30Or that Irfan Siddiqui thing,
23:32it is an indication that
23:33the negotiations may not proceed in that way.
23:40Negotiations were not going to proceed from day one.
23:45The reason for that was that
23:47the negotiation committee,
23:51from whichever side it was formed,
23:53I think that
23:55from both the sides,
23:57the work was not taken with realism.
24:00You tell me this,
24:02that on one hand,
24:04you say that
24:06they crossed the red line on 9th, 10th May.
24:10On the other hand,
24:12you say that
24:15this is the birth of Form 47.
24:18On the other hand,
24:20you are saying that
24:228th February will be celebrated as Black Day.
24:26On the other hand,
24:28you are saying that
24:29the Judicial Commission should be formed.
24:31If I agree with everything,
24:34then I say that
24:36the Judicial Commission should be formed.
24:38Then in 2014,
24:40the planning that was done,
24:43the basis of the conspiracy that was laid,
24:45from Raheel Sharif,
24:47to Saqib Nisar,
24:49and then gradually,
24:51Faiz Hamid,
24:53and Bandyal,
24:55then this too,
24:57the Judicial Commission should investigate
25:03who launched them.
25:06And what was the agenda of the international forces
25:09to support them?
25:12And what did they accomplish in 3.5 years?
25:15Then this too,
25:17the Judicial Commission should look at
25:19who were the people who got punished in 2017,
25:23and why did Sadaq Ameen need to put pressure on them
25:26to declare this?
25:29I am sorry, I am cutting you short.
25:31So you are saying that
25:32if the matter is brought forward,
25:33then it will go far.
25:34So this matter of going far,
25:36is not ready to be brought forward.
25:40Look, the thing is that
25:42if they want to play pranks,
25:47then they should just be given hope
25:49that from this prank committee,
25:52Imran Khan's release will be arranged.
25:55Then they should take 4 years
25:57to play this committee.
25:59Then they will be ready to follow this track.
26:03And if they know that
26:05this committee does not have the power
26:09to release Imran Khan,
26:12then this committee will not work even for a day.
26:15And if someone tells me that
26:17on one hand they say that
26:19we are fighting for the protection of the law,
26:23and Imran Khan is standing in jail,
26:26then tell me,
26:28that on nights,
26:30when the second prank committee
26:32is dialoguing,
26:34or begging,
26:35or asking for freedom,
26:37or putting pressure on Pakistan's institutions
26:41through international pressure,
26:44then where is the enforcement of the law?
26:47Then why don't you speak the truth?
26:49You see,
26:51when he was arrested
26:53for the crime of 9-10 May,
26:55he was only arrested for the crime of 9-10 May,
26:58and he was attacked in 230 places at the same time.
27:02In 230 places.
27:04Today, he has been punished.
27:06So, from one place,
27:08no one even touched him.
27:12Okay, I have to bring something forward.
27:16Now, you are saying that
27:18if they get India,
27:20if Imran Khan somehow
27:22gets released because of these negotiations,
27:26then it will take 4 years.
27:28Asad Qais has just said in my program
27:30that within 7 days,
27:32which is, of course,
27:34if you add the last Friday night,
27:36then the next Friday night,
27:38that is, January 23rd,
27:40the Judicial Commission is not formed.
27:42If the Judicial Commission is not formed,
27:44then it is the end of talks.
27:46So, I don't see that 4-year matter.
27:48No,
27:50if the Judicial Commission is to be formed,
27:54then you will form a TOR, right?
27:56It is not possible that
27:58you demand one-sidedly
28:00and the Judicial Commission
28:02is formed one-sidedly.
28:04If they form a Black Day on 8th February,
28:06as they are saying,
28:08we are ready to form a Black Day
28:10on 8th February,
28:12because our mandate is to be done.
28:14One minute, I am sorry.
28:16I am sorry.
28:18They are saying on 8th February
28:20that they will form a Black Day
28:22because our mandate has been stolen.
28:24Why will you form a Black Day?
28:26We will also form a Black Day
28:28because our mandate has been stolen.
28:30We will also say
28:32and say that
28:34they are the progeny of Form 47.
28:36If we call our side
28:38the progeny of Form 47,
28:40then the progeny of Form 47
28:42is not the government
28:44of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
28:46Did they get their seats in Punjab?
28:48Was that their mandate?
28:50No.
28:52We can choose.
28:54No one should have the power
28:56to elect people of their choice
28:58and to keep people of their choice
29:00out of the assembly.
29:02Only the voters should have this power.
29:04That is why we say
29:06give respect to the vote.
29:08But the vote is not getting respect.
29:10The vote
29:12has cast
29:14a vote
29:16and it did not come out of the box.
29:18These are the results
29:20that have been made.
29:22And by making these results,
29:24the state never works.
29:26The Black Day
29:28should be understood
29:30as a personal matter
29:32or it should be understood
29:34that there is a thought in the party
29:36that if PTI forms a Black Day
29:38on the day of elections
29:40then PMLN will also form a Black Day.
29:42Is this a personal matter
29:44or a political matter?
29:46No, Anika.
29:48It is not an issue
29:50whether she forms a Black Day or not.
29:52The issue is
29:54that you are
29:56a descendant of Form 47.
29:58If other people
30:00are descendants of Form 47
30:02or if other people
30:04have been made to win,
30:06then you have not been defeated.
30:08If you had been defeated,
30:10then you would not
30:12be in this position today.
30:14And if you have been made to win
30:16on the side of the government,
30:18then their people would not
30:20have been defeated.
30:22The point is that
30:24the person who is doing this
30:26is not ready to understand
30:28because the beneficiaries
30:30are silent and
30:32those who have been
30:34robbed of their votes
30:36are saying that
30:38what is the guarantee
30:40that there will be
30:42fair casting in the elections?
30:44What is the guarantee?
30:46First of all,
30:48how can we ensure
30:50that the elections
30:52will not be repeated
30:54in 2018 or 2024?
30:56How can we ensure this?
30:58How can we ensure this?
31:00Every party is sitting here
31:02waiting for their turn.
31:04It is our turn.
31:06Look, there are two things.
31:08Anika, if you
31:10talk about the
31:12enforcement of the law,
31:14then first of all,
31:16the backdoor channel should be closed.
31:18Then first of all,
31:20you should stop the
31:22steps taken by the
31:24unlawful.
31:26Secondly, if you want
31:28the elections,
31:30then first of all,
31:32the elections should be
31:34fair and free.
31:36All the parties should
31:38have a consensus on this
31:40and they should
31:42come to an agreement
31:44on this.
31:46But the thing is
31:48that
31:50the situation in Pakistan
31:52right now,
31:54sometimes it was about
31:56enforcing the law,
31:58sometimes it was about
32:00strengthening the security,
32:02sometimes it was about
32:04non-governmental forces
32:06not intervening.
32:08Today, there is an invitation
32:10for international forces
32:12to intervene in Pakistan.
32:14No one is ready to talk about this.
32:16And in the coming days,
32:18what we are seeing,
32:20the powerful circles of Pakistan
32:22or the powerful
32:24personalities,
32:26their influence is decreasing
32:28and the international forces
32:30that have influence,
32:32their interference in Pakistan
32:34is increasing.
32:36First of all,
32:38those who have
32:40hired lobbying firms,
32:42how much money have they given
32:44and where did that money come from?
32:46Today, the issue of a person
32:48with a penalty of £190 million
32:50is not just £190 million.
32:52The real problem is
32:54that the billions of dollars,
32:56billions of rupees
32:58through a lobbying firm,
33:00he is talking about money.
33:02The person of the coming regime
33:04is talking about money
33:06through tweets,
33:08through his speech,
33:10through his influence.
33:12So, the thing to see is
33:14where that money came from.
33:16Interference should not be of any type.
33:18Interference should not be of any type.
33:20Interference should be internal
33:22and external.
33:24Interference should not be
33:26in the political system of Pakistan.
33:28But there is a problem.
33:30The problem is that our politicians
33:32themselves invite interference
33:34and spread the red carpet
33:36and say,
33:38come and interfere.
33:40We are happy as long as you
33:42make us sit in power.
33:44We can see all these groups
33:46across the board.
33:48You are saying that these are the
33:50groups that spread the red carpet
33:52and that Nawaz Sharif
33:54was also quiet today.
33:56No, Anika.
33:58So, let's say that
34:00we are not in jail for
34:02violating the constitution,
34:04but we are in jail for power.
34:06First, let's make it clear
34:08and speak the whole truth.
34:10Why do we take the support of lies?
34:12Now, let's come to what you are saying
34:14that the politicians themselves
34:16invite interference.
34:18If it is taken in such a way
34:20that they use
34:22someone's shoulder
34:24or someone else's shoulder
34:26or someone is given
34:28a fine greed
34:30or someone else is given
34:32a fine greed,
34:34if it is up to this point,
34:36then still, Pakistan
34:38somehow,
34:40Anika, one second.
34:42Still, Pakistan was going on.
34:44But what I am worried about
34:46today,
34:48is that
34:50earlier, this game was played
34:52in Pakistan.
34:54Today, by inviting the world powers,
34:56you are inviting them
34:58to interfere in Pakistan.
35:00And the interference
35:02that is being invited in Pakistan,
35:04the time of the segment of my program
35:06is over, but I want to ask you a question.
35:08And I need a short and quick answer
35:10to that. You are saying
35:12that greed is given for power.
35:14Our politicians are greedy.
35:16Do they suddenly
35:18invite any interference?
35:22Look,
35:24I will say again that
35:26this has been happening.
35:28This is a fact.
35:30If there is a denial,
35:32then I don't think it is appropriate.
35:34I don't talk about everyone,
35:36but the majority is like this.
35:38Thank you very much.
35:40Thank you very much for joining us.
35:42We will complete this topic,
35:44I will give you more time in another program.
35:48Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
35:50We will go towards the break.
35:52After the break, we will come back.
35:54After that, we will take an outside perspective.
35:56And we will know which direction
35:58it is.
36:02Welcome back after the break.
36:04Mohammad Zubair is with us.
36:06He is a former governor of Sindh.
36:08He is a politician.
36:10Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
36:12Now, there is a problem,
36:14Mr. Zubair.
36:16Political instability
36:18has to be eliminated.
36:20So that economic stability
36:22comes with certainty.
36:24Now, I also see
36:26again that political instability
36:28should not increase
36:30if negotiations fail.
36:32Who should take the first step
36:34to ensure that negotiations do not fail?
36:38I think both are responsible.
36:40Negotiations have two sides.
36:42But there are so many differences
36:44and
36:46it is unbridgeable.
36:50I do not see any hope
36:52that
36:54the situation will improve
36:56after the negotiations.
36:58So, political stability
37:00can increase
37:02and I think there is a possibility of intensification.
37:04Intensification does not mean
37:06that PTI will start agitation.
37:08That option is more or less over.
37:10But, obviously,
37:12if there is a silent majority
37:14and they do not
37:16support the
37:18government of the time,
37:20then there will be instability
37:22and with that instability
37:24it will be very difficult
37:26to have an economic recovery.
37:30You have said that
37:32both are responsible.
37:34Senator Kamran Murtaza
37:36has said that
37:38PTI negotiations are continuing
37:40even after this punishment.
37:42Are you surprised by this?
37:46Yes, I am surprised.
37:50Obviously,
37:52PTI has lost
37:54everything.
37:56Because of PTI,
37:58elections were lost,
38:00political space was taken away,
38:02leadership was shut down,
38:04establishment is against them,
38:06all the political parties of the government of the time
38:08are against them.
38:10If there is anyone with them
38:12and their strength is their supporters
38:14who are in the number of crores.
38:16And they are standing
38:18on the number of crores
38:20when their support is strong.
38:22And if their support is weak,
38:24then they have to watch out.
38:26I am not saying that something will happen immediately.
38:28But they have to be very, very careful.
38:30That the most important
38:32is their strength.
38:34It is said that
38:36PTI is the biggest political party of Pakistan.
38:38And I think everyone agrees with that.
38:40So,
38:42one of the reasons for that
38:44is the way Imran Khan
38:46is doing politics with intensity.
38:48Mr. Zubair, can you hear me?
38:50Especially since the vote of no confidence.
38:52Yes, I can hear you.
38:54I have lost contact with Mr. Zubair.
38:56We will talk to him
38:58when he comes back.
39:00The political instability
39:02has become very clear.
39:04And this political instability
39:06will continue
39:08until both the parties
39:10are very clear
39:12about what they want from these negotiations.
39:14Does Pakistan want to see
39:16Imran Khan out of these negotiations?
39:18Although Imran Khan does not want
39:20Imran Khan to be ousted.
39:22And if the courts decide,
39:24will they be told
39:26that this decision
39:28is against Imran Khan?
39:32Mr. Zubair, can you hear me?
39:34Yes, I can hear you.
39:36I can hear you clearly.
39:38I cannot hear you.
39:40Yes, I can hear you.
39:42Mr. Zubair, tell me
39:44that
39:46now
39:48what next?
39:50Because
39:52these weeks are important
39:54politically and economically.
39:56We have gone into
39:58surplus.
40:00Our trade deficit
40:02has gone into
40:04credit surplus.
40:06So, that is also very important.
40:08The government
40:10is talking about flying Pakistan.
40:12The government is saying
40:14that we have to
40:16improve the economy.
40:18And then
40:20our account
40:22was 1.2 billion dollars surplus.
40:24Now, the government wants to
40:26maintain this.
40:28So, to maintain it,
40:30what should we show flexibility in?
40:32See,
40:34a current account surplus is not enough.
40:36The real thing is
40:38what benefits the people.
40:40Where Pakistan is standing
40:42from an economic standpoint,
40:44this is what happens after
40:46one year of IMF.
40:48This is not the first time.
40:50We have come here many times
40:52The most important aspect
40:54is that
40:56the near default situation
40:58when the IMF is in agreement
41:00and dollars start coming,
41:02you come out of that default situation
41:04in the stability situation
41:06where we are standing right now.
41:08But if you look at the
41:10same stability situation in 2024,
41:12which is called the year of stability,
41:14in the same year, 1.3 billion Pakistanis
41:16went below the poverty line.
41:181.3 billion
41:20more.
41:22So, 1.3 billion
41:24has nothing to do with the current account.
41:26Whether it is in surplus or deficit.
41:28And the biggest thing is
41:30unemployment is increasing.
41:32And the reason for that is
41:34the most important sector of the economy,
41:36large scale manufacturing,
41:38industrial sector,
41:40is still in the negative.
41:42So, to bring back these aspects,
41:44when your economic activity
41:46reaches its peak,
41:48then you will need imports.
41:50Then there will be pressure
41:52on the current account.
41:54When you stop driving the car,
41:56then you will say,
41:58how much petrol did we save this month?
42:00If the car will run,
42:02then there will be pressure on the petrol.
42:04It is sufficient, but in different ways.
42:06Yes, it is sufficient.
42:08Mr. Aziz, I have the last minute.
42:10Yes.
42:12I have the last minute,
42:14but I want to ask you
42:16to give suggestions to the government.
42:18Because both are stakeholders at this time.
42:20PTI is a stakeholder in KPK.
42:22And the government is also on Punjab's side.
42:24And the allies
42:26are also in Wifaq.
42:28Now, this is an important and crucial point
42:30that there is no such Jamaat
42:32which is not outside the government.
42:34All the Jamaats are in the government at this time.
42:36So, Pakistan's economic uplift,
42:38Pakistan's stability, security stability,
42:40are equally important for all the Jamaats.
42:42What suggestions will you give
42:44to the government?
42:46I think,
42:48both sides
42:50have to show their strength.
42:52The government has not come
42:54with a mandate.
42:56It is sitting without a mandate.
42:58And this is the biggest issue
43:00which has been controversial
43:02since the last 11 months.
43:04To resolve this,
43:06PTI and the government
43:08agree on one thing,
43:10that early elections,
43:12for example,
43:14rectify the election commission
43:16and then take the credible people
43:18and ensure free, fair and transparent elections.
43:20That is the way forward for Pakistan.
43:22The rest will come and go.
43:24From here to there.
43:26There will never be political stability for Pakistan.
43:28And if there is no political stability,
43:30there will be no economic stability.
43:32And Pakistan will continue to struggle.
43:34So, the best thing is
43:36that both sides should realize
43:38that early elections
43:40should be free and fair.
43:42Not like February 2024.
43:44That is the way forward for Pakistan.
43:46Interesting.
43:48Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
43:50Now the question is, to be or not to be?
43:52Who will show their strength
43:54and who will not?
43:56At the same time.
43:58This is also an important question.
44:00Who has what to give?
44:02We will find out in the coming weeks.
44:04There is an important date on Monday.
44:06We will talk about it tomorrow.
44:08Take good care of yourself.
44:10Allah Hafiz.