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- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
"26 Nov Aap Logon Nay Kiya, Apne Goli Chalai", Kashif Abbasi's Reaction on Javed Latif's Statement
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00:00Asalam-o-Alaikum viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:16Today, PTI's politics is obviously very focused on what they do and at this time, the entire
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09:12has nothing to talk about
09:42So he used to say that the decisions should be made in Islamabad, not outside of Islamabad.
09:49The decisions should be made by those who have been elected as Prime Minister, Cabinet or Parliament.
09:55Because they have to answer after five years.
09:58Now they know that this is not the truth.
10:00They know that this is not the truth.
10:02That we have answered, but people have not given us a mandate.
10:05So what should they talk to Khurram Dastgir?
10:07What should they talk to anyone else?
10:09Then let's come to the other side.
10:11Yesterday, as I said, Shahid sahib was also with me.
10:13I had this idea.
10:14So let me explain to you where politics is going now.
10:17But Zubair sahib, Mian sahib remained silent on 26th November.
10:22Shahid sahib thought that this is Shahbaz Sharif's policy.
10:25Nawaz Sharif has never done such a policy.
10:27Like what happened in Islamabad.
10:29So he was very clear that Mian sahib should be like this.
10:32It is not possible that Mian sahib should be like this.
10:34But this is happening and Mian sahib is silent.
10:36Ghazali sahib, do you think that Mian Nawaz Sharif has a role to solve the problems?
10:43But that role is neither visible nor is he active.
10:46Do you agree with both of them?
10:50I don't agree.
10:51I am sorry.
10:52I almost agree with everything that Shahid Khan sahib says.
10:56But the benefits that he gives to Mian Nawaz Sharif,
11:01that he cannot do this,
11:03he is very powerful.
11:05You will also agree.
11:06The whole of Pakistan will agree.
11:07He can tell Shahbaz Sharif what happened on 26th November.
11:10Why did it happen?
11:11In fact, before that, to be careful,
11:13before that, this kind of situation was created by the government
11:17and it was being created.
11:18Every month, after every two months,
11:20when the containers were installed,
11:22he knew that he was so politically intelligent
11:25that there would be confrontation and fights.
11:28So he can play his role.
11:30Once he gives a shut-up call to Shahbaz Sharif,
11:32then Shahbaz Sharif can't do anything.
11:34I told Shahid Khan yesterday that I agree with you.
11:38Yes.
11:39If Mian Nawaz Sharif wants,
11:41he can play a big role, he can solve the problems,
11:45but he doesn't want to do it.
11:47Do you agree?
11:48Another very important thing,
11:50which I know about Mian Nawaz Sharif,
11:52and I have heard this from him thousands of times,
11:55you don't consider your opponents as enemies.
11:58You have given the enemy the status of an enemy.
12:00You said that the way the policy of holding and pushing
12:03and the way the beatings are taking place,
12:05and the way the destruction of democratic institutions is taking place,
12:08earlier you used to say that you won't let Faiz Hamid come
12:11because if he becomes the prime minister,
12:13then the situation of the constitution will deteriorate.
12:17Is there any left in the constitution now?
12:19Which clause identifies democracy?
12:26You have closed all the ways for democratic forces.
12:31So, if Mian Nawaz Sharif directly benefits Shahid Khan,
12:36then he can do it.
12:37I don't think so.
12:38I think he is in it.
12:40And his helplessness puts him in such a corner in his politics
12:44that he can't get out of it.
12:47Mian sir,
12:49do you think Mian sir has a role in the current situation?
12:55Because it seems that when the government is formed,
12:58on one hand there is the government of Maryam Nawaz Sahiba in Punjab,
13:02and he has to run it.
13:04And to run it, he has to remain silent for the reasons.
13:09I don't think Mr. Shahbaz is that important for him.
13:12As far as the Punjab government is concerned,
13:14Mian Nawaz Sharif will remain silent,
13:16and one day he will give the party to Maryam Nawaz
13:18and will be on the political side.
13:19Do you think this can happen in the near future?
13:22Look Kashif, what you are saying, Mr. Zubair,
13:27I agree with you that a lot of people are saying,
13:34or we are seeing and feeling,
13:36that the doors of democracy have been closed to a great extent.
13:41And democracy is a bad name.
13:44I agree with this.
13:46The reason is that in the last 77 years,
13:50you have seen a lot of times
13:54where the voice of democracy is being drowned,
13:58democracy is breathing,
14:00it is on the ventilator,
14:02and sometimes the patients are coming out of the hospital
14:06and raising slogans in the square.
14:09But this system was in more danger at that time
14:15when it came in 2018.
14:17Mr. Zubair is absolutely right,
14:20that till 2018 they were talking about...
14:24You are right.
14:25The hybrid system has caused more damage to democracy.
14:29Is this right?
14:30Yes.
14:31Okay, then look,
14:33the person who brought it in 2018,
14:37and the people who brought it,
14:39and there was a strike at that time as well,
14:42the Chief Justice at that time,
14:44the Army Chief at that time,
14:46DG ISI at that time,
14:48all of them brought in Imran,
14:52and the results they got from him,
14:55they destroyed democracy.
14:58And after 2022,
15:01did you improve democracy,
15:04or did you destroy it further?
15:05Was there a Troika at that time as well?
15:08No.
15:09When we came in 2022,
15:13we caused more damage.
15:15And we caused more damage by saying
15:19that to save the economy,
15:22to save the state,
15:24we are sacrificing our politics.
15:26This did not benefit the state.
15:29Yes, our intention could have been...
15:31Even though it was a lie,
15:33you are speaking the truth,
15:35I am just saying that this sentence
15:37is basically about politics,
15:39which is done by politicians.
15:41Your job is to do politics.
15:43When you made a wrong decision,
15:45you should have gone to the elections,
15:47instead of going to the elections,
15:49you decided to run the government,
15:51so now you should have left.
15:53You said, we sacrificed politics,
15:55we saved democracy, we saved the country.
15:57Which is wrong.
15:58Mr. Zubair will tell you now
16:00that these were wrong slogans that you were putting up.
16:02Mr. Zubair is saying something,
16:04Mr. Mian, after listening to Mr. Zubair,
16:06you can come back.
16:08Mr. Mian, I think,
16:10historical records should be corrected.
16:14You must be a witness,
16:16I was a witness,
16:18because I was a part of the economic team.
16:20It was said very clearly,
16:22that we will come back in 3-6 months.
16:24Mr. Shivaj Sharif publicly said
16:26that the economy will recover.
16:28So you have created such a mess
16:30in the economy,
16:32that no one has ever created such a mess
16:34in the history of Pakistan.
16:36The people have never seen such an inflation.
16:38The purchasing power of the people
16:40has been destroyed.
16:42The progress has been destroyed,
16:44it has started to slide.
16:46So one thing was your policy,
16:48which was our policy.
16:50It was completely wrong
16:52that we will improve the economy
16:54and the people will stand with us.
16:56When the economy started to deteriorate,
16:58then you started to put up this slogan
17:00that you are not a creditor.
17:02Any political party comes
17:04with the mandate of the people
17:06and it is their responsibility
17:08to save the state.
17:10It is the duty of every government
17:12to save the state,
17:14but the happiness of the people
17:16is also the duty of every government.
17:18This is not a balancing act
17:20that we will take out the people,
17:22we will hurt the people,
17:24we will create problems for the people
17:26and then we will go.
17:28There was a golden era in Pakistan
17:30when Pakistan saw such a bad era
17:32that we said that we will jump in
17:34and we will save the state.
17:36The state is made
17:38by the happiness of the people.
17:40Yes, this is right.
17:42What I was also saying
17:44that when we came,
17:46we came on some other basis
17:48that we will fix it,
17:50that is not a problem for us.
17:52But when it deteriorated,
17:54then this slogan was put up.
17:56What Mr. Zubair is saying,
17:58I said the same thing.
18:00I said that we came
18:02to fix the economy
18:04or to save the state,
18:06to give stability.
18:08Whatever we had said,
18:10we could not
18:12benefit the state.
18:14Now Mr. Kashyap said
18:16that you should speak
18:18very clearly
18:20that there was also politics.
18:22I also admit that
18:24there was also politics.
18:26I say that there was also politics
18:28and in someone's mind
18:30it will also happen
18:32if you are saying politics
18:34that he would also want
18:36to fix the state.
18:38Do not doubt his intentions.
18:40Now come, I am addressing
18:42both the things that I say
18:44that someone was doing politics
18:46and someone was fixing the state.
18:48Neither the politics was fixed
18:50nor did it benefit the state.
18:52What Mr. Kashyap Abbasi
18:54wanted to ask,
18:56was anyone supporting
18:58at that time?
19:00I say that
19:02someone had their own flag,
19:04someone had their own goal,
19:06someone had thought
19:08that if Imran
19:10is removed
19:12or neutralized,
19:14these people will come.
19:16Imran Khan himself
19:18admits that
19:20he used to tell the institutions
19:22to complete the members.
19:24This should still be clear.
19:26If he is neutralized,
19:28it will make a difference.
19:30This has not happened recently.
19:32You are still looking for
19:34someone to complete the members.
19:36Sometimes you take someone.
19:38Kashyap, one second.
19:40Kashyap, please, one second.
19:42I understand your emotions,
19:44your desires,
19:46your needs.
19:48But allow me to speak.
19:52I am saying this to you.
20:02Kashyap, one second.
20:04Please, one second.
20:06Listen to me first.
20:08I am saying this to you.
20:12Before asking you,
20:14one second, one second.
20:16How did you make the 26th amendment?
20:18This is not appropriate.
20:22Sir, answer my question.
20:24You have put a huge blame on me.
20:26I will answer.
20:28If you give me a chance, I will answer.
20:32I am saying this to you.
20:34Before your question,
20:36I had said
20:38that what happened in 2018
20:40was wrong
20:42and what is happening in 2024
20:44is also wrong.
20:46I am saying this to you.
20:48The state, the system,
20:50the nation is not benefiting from this.
20:52And it cannot be.
20:54I am saying this to you.
20:56Today,
20:58if you compare
21:00the time of Nawaz Sharif
21:02from 2013 to 2017,
21:06it is not appropriate.
21:08You can say
21:10that you can compare
21:12the time of Nawaz Sharif
21:14from 2013 to 2017,
21:16but not from 2013.
21:18I have not compared it from 2013.
21:20I have compared it from
21:22the hybrid system of 2018
21:24to the hybrid system of 2024.
21:26Both are hybrid systems.
21:28You look at the same place
21:30where they used to look
21:32and they used to give the same number.
21:34Here also, they have given the same number.
21:36I will take a break.
21:38I need an answer to a question.
21:40I will take a break.
21:42Mr. Zubair, I will start with you.
21:44I had an interesting
21:46debate yesterday
21:48with Mr. Shahid Khakhan Abbasi.
21:52What was the difference
21:54between 2014 and 2024?
21:56The space was given
21:58to the 2014 protest.
22:00They went and sat
22:02in D-chowk.
22:04They sat there for 126 days.
22:06They did not let them sit in 2024.
22:08I will tell you
22:10what their thesis was.
22:12I received a message.
22:14I will tell you later
22:16what their view was.
22:20I want to know your view.
22:22Let's take a break.
22:24I will come back after the break.
22:28Welcome back, Naseem.
22:30Mr. Zubair is with me.
22:32Mr. Javed Lateef is also here.
22:34Mr. Zubair,
22:36why was there
22:38such a difference
22:40in the handling
22:42of the protest?
22:46In 2014,
22:48your party said
22:50to let them sit.
22:52They left Punjab,
22:54took a long march from Lahore
22:56and reached Islamabad.
22:58They were asked to sit there.
23:00What is the difference?
23:02The difference
23:04is very basic.
23:06It is the difference
23:08between Mian Nawaz
23:10and Shehbaz Sharif.
23:12I have always said
23:14that if Mian Shehbaz Sharif
23:16had joined the political party,
23:18I would not have joined
23:20the Muslim League.
23:22I am not saying
23:24that the people will decide.
23:26But on every issue,
23:28whether it is governance,
23:30treating the opponents,
23:32or brutality.
23:34Mian Nawaz Sharif
23:36had the highest number of seats
23:38in 2013 in Balochistan.
23:40But he joined the coalition
23:42and did that for 2.5 years.
23:44People used to say about KP
23:46that he should join JUIF.
23:48Shehbaz Sharif talks
23:50from a different angle.
23:52He is ready to go to every extent.
23:54That is why the difference
23:56between Chaudhary Nisar
23:58and Mohsin Naqvi
24:00is very big.
24:02You have heard clips
24:04of Mohsin Naqvi
24:06before 26th November.
24:08In those clips,
24:10he talks about using bullets.
24:12He said that he will use bullets
24:14and no one will be seen in 5 minutes.
24:16His approach is like this.
24:18Yesterday,
24:20Mr. Shahid also said
24:22that there is a difference
24:24between Shehbaz Sharif's
24:26approach and yours.
24:28There is another difference.
24:30There is another difference.
24:32In 2013, he was a bandit.
24:34There is a difference in legitimacy.
24:36In 2024, he was not a bandit.
24:38Why do you think there is a difference
24:40in handling in 2014 and 2024?
24:42Do you think it is a personality?
24:46No, there is a difference.
24:48It is not possible that
24:50instead of Nawaz Sharif,
24:52someone from the Jamaat
24:54takes the responsibility.
24:56Whether it is Shehbaz Sharif,
24:58Maryam Nawaz or someone else.
25:00But the thing is that
25:02even in 2018,
25:04what you say again and again,
25:06until it is clear,
25:08even people's minds
25:10cannot be clear.
25:12We try to educate
25:14people in our own way
25:16or in our own interest.
25:20In 2018,
25:22the arrangement was wrong.
25:24The arrangement in 2024 is also wrong.
25:26Before 2018,
25:28there was less pressure
25:30from international forces
25:32in Pakistan.
25:34Their facilitation was less.
25:36From 2018 to 2024,
25:38the influence of international forces
25:40increased
25:42through financial institutions.
25:44Now, if someone says
25:46that I am ruling
25:48completely independently,
25:50then I think
25:52earlier there was no such thing.
25:54Now, there is no such thing at all.
25:56Sir, wait a minute.
25:58Please explain this to me.
26:00First, you are saying
26:02that we are not ruling independently.
26:04Does this mean that
26:06you are not getting
26:08independence from inside Pakistan
26:10or from outside?
26:12But before that,
26:14you also said that
26:16we were forced to rule.
26:18You are saying that
26:20the government will be formed
26:22through financial institutions
26:24in 2018 as well as 2024.
26:26What was the force?
26:28Why did you have to
26:30be forced?
26:32Do you have an answer to this?
26:34Tell me,
26:36when we were being forced
26:38in 2018,
26:40what could we have done?
26:42Sir,
26:44the difference between
26:46being forced to rule
26:48and being forced to win.
26:50Now, let's come to the other side.
26:52In 2024,
26:54we did not even have
26:56a simple majority.
26:58I have repeatedly said
27:00that along with Mr. Shabaz Shiv,
27:02after 8th February,
27:04I met Mr. Shabaz Shiv
27:06after 8-10 days.
27:08He said,
27:10like you people,
27:12I also want that
27:14the government should not be formed
27:16by the Muslim League.
27:18There was a statement
27:20from the Muslim League.
27:22Before that,
27:24the People's Party and PTI
27:26used to say that
27:28the Muslim League
27:30will not form a government.
27:32Most of the time,
27:34they used to criticize Mr. Shabaz Shiv.
27:36When the Muslim League
27:38said that they will not
27:40form a government,
27:42they said that
27:44they will not form a government.
27:46Then you have to tell me
27:48that you have to do
27:50the arrangements.
27:52Mr. Zubair wants to say something.
27:54Mr. Mian, if you allow me.
27:56On 9th February,
27:58you were transmitting
28:00the ARY.
28:02On 6th evening,
28:04Mian Nawaz Shiv,
28:06Shabaz Shiv,
28:08Maryam Nawaz,
28:10the speech that
28:12Mian Nawaz Shiv and
28:14Shabaz Shiv gave,
28:16they claimed victory.
28:18They said that
28:20they will solve
28:22your problems.
28:24We won the election.
28:26This is recorded.
28:28This is a recorded fact.
28:30On 9th February.
28:32Mr. Zubair,
28:34Mr. Zubair,
28:36Mr. Zubair,
28:38M. Zubair.
28:40Mr. Zubair,
28:42Mr. Mian,
28:44we did not have seats,
28:46you claimed victory.
28:48Listen to me,
28:50what I said now,
28:52Mr. Zubair and
28:54you have a right to know,
28:56I am saying this with the
28:58responsibility.
29:00What I said to you,
29:02You.
29:04On 9th February,
29:06When you said People's Party and he said this, let me tell you, People's Party really didn't want to form a government.
29:14When Bilawal Sahib went to Lahore to meet Zardari Sahib, Bilawal House or whatever house is there,
29:19so here, at his behest, a translator gave a statement that People's Party didn't want to form a government.
29:26So they didn't want Bilawal Sahib, but Zardari Sahib put the same pressure on them,
29:30which I want to know from you, what was your compulsion?
30:00He was ready to form a government in the guise of a Prime Minister.
30:04It's a different matter that for some reason, Imran Khan Sahib was a hurdle, or some other hurdle,
30:11or some invisible forces intervened, so he couldn't become the Prime Minister.
30:20Now, the arrangement that I am talking about, I am saying it right on my own, whether you believe it or not,
30:27I am not saying that.
30:29Listen to me, I don't have the courage to say anything against what you're saying.
30:32Mr. Zubair, what are you saying? Are we saying that they were forced to form a government?
30:38Actually, Mr. Javed Lateef, the thing that I can say openly,
30:43the first thing is that a defeated party, which doesn't even have a mandate,
30:47which has 20-25 seats, genuine seats, 30 seats, how can they come under someone's pressure and form a government?
30:55I'll give you a simple sentence, why not?
30:57We have not got the mandate, the people didn't give us the mandate,
31:00and we can't form a government for 5 years.
31:03This will be the biggest loss to the democracy if we form a government.
31:08We don't even have a mandate, you can put a gun on us and put pressure on us.
31:13If you want to do it for someone else, then do it.
31:16We are ready to sacrifice everything for the country.
31:19We want to say something to Mr. Mian. Quickly, Mr. Mian.
31:23Mr. Zubair, you are saying the right thing, but if you allow me,
31:29if you speak the whole truth, then the matter will be completed.
31:33I agree with you that in 2024, the Muslim League didn't get the mandate to form a government.
31:44Then you can also say that in 2018, the PTI didn't get the mandate to form a government.
31:50If you talk like this, then I understand what you are saying.
31:54Sir, then let's go like this.
31:56First of all, I will answer you.
31:58But Mr. Zubair, the second question is related to this.
32:02If Mariam Nawaz was not the candidate for PM, would this government have been taken?
32:11They wouldn't have taken her.
32:12Exactly, the bottom line, the truth, the absolute truth.
32:18The bitter truth.
32:19Because the mistake was Punjab.
32:21It's a bitter truth for PM.
32:22A bitter truth.
32:23A bitter truth.
32:24I don't think she would have done it out of love for Shahbaz Sharif.
32:29The biggest reason, there are other reasons as well,
32:33but the biggest reason was that Mariam Nawaz had to become the Chief Minister
32:37and Punjab and her political career had to start from here.
32:40However, she should have learnt from Bilawal.
32:44Bilawal could have become the Chief Minister in 2013.
32:47In 2018, and genuinely, with a genuine vote,
32:50even in 2024, if she is the best party in the assembly,
32:55leaving PTI, People's Party, Interior Census.
32:59Sir, the number two party is People's Party.
33:02Number two means number two.
33:04Sorry, I didn't understand number two.
33:06No, no, number two after PTI is People's Party.
33:10And secondly, in 2018,
33:12she should have made a mistake, no matter what.
33:16So, what Mr. Mian Javed Lateef says,
33:19I'll tell you the whole truth.
33:20So, from 2018 to 2022, I spoke the truth.
33:24That's why I was involved with her in the first place.
33:27That's why, right?
33:29What else was the reason?
33:30Did I ever doubt?
33:32When I resigned as Governor, what did I say?
33:34No other Governor has resigned.
33:36Despite the fact that the decision was made.
33:38What did I say?
33:39That I don't accept this mandate.
33:42And as a protest, I resign.
33:44I acted on it.
33:46So, I keep telling the truth.
33:49But that doesn't mean that your mandate,
33:52you will have two or four seats less,
33:54but you took 100 seats.
33:57Does it make any sense?
33:58And to what extent are you going?
34:00To reach the specific constituents?
34:02To get that?
34:03You talk about suffocating.
34:06You say that we are not free.
34:08And there is no decision-making.
34:10And then you say,
34:11how is it possible that the government
34:13comes to jail and the jailers go to the government?
34:15Actually, you are doing this work
34:18because the government is dragging it along.
34:21Despite all the difficulties.
34:23Because your opponent is in jail.
34:26Somehow, finish our opponent.
34:29We are ready to do this work
34:31according to your will.
34:33Is that a fair way of putting it?
34:35Because if you talk about his reason,
34:38he will come out.
34:39And your fear is that he will put you in jail.
34:42Is that correct?
34:43Is this the right assessment of the situation?
34:47Look, Kashif, this is a reality
34:50that you are talking about.
34:52That whenever he gets a chance,
34:55he will put his opponents in jail like in 2018.
34:59This is the reality.
35:00But we are ready to go to jail.
35:02We are ready to go again.
35:04But who will give me a guarantee
35:06that elections like in 2018 or 2024
35:09will be fine in the future.
35:14It will not be like this.
35:16If you have this certainty,
35:18if someone can assure you
35:20that elections like in 2018 or 2024
35:22will not happen again.
35:23You are saying that if we step back,
35:25they will deal with it.
35:26You are saying that if we step back,
35:28they will deal with it.
35:29Kashif, the reality is that
35:33this has been happening in Pakistan till now.
35:38But earlier there used to be some shame.
35:41Earlier there used to be some tradition.
35:44You are saying that there is no shame in 2024.
35:47What are you doing?
35:48This is an argument against your own party.
35:50You have opened an FIR.
35:52There is no shame.
35:54Listen to me.
35:56If you just want to get rid of me,
36:01then you can do whatever you want.
36:05I am telling the truth.
36:08I am saying that
36:10the process that started in 2018
36:14is still going on.
36:16Sir, someone should be role-played.
36:19You came to fix it.
36:21You had to fix it.
36:22You didn't want to spoil it.
36:24You didn't want to spoil it 100 times.
36:26Do both the parties have something
36:28to give each other in talks?
36:30A lot of outsiders can play this role
36:34to ensure that the political victimization
36:38doesn't happen again.
36:39A fair playing field for everyone.
36:42Elections should be fair.
36:44Now no one should use the shoulders of the establishment.
36:46Talk to Mr. Muran Khan.
36:47Talk to Mr. Mian.
36:48Do you think this is possible?
36:49Or do you think that there is nothing?
36:50That this is how it will continue?
36:53I have a suggestion.
36:56The Charter of Democracy that happened in 2006,
36:59both the parties are still committed to it.
37:02PMLN and PVP.
37:04At least on papers.
37:06Isn't it?
37:07At that time, PTI was not a big party.
37:10It was between two big parties.
37:12PMLN, Mian Javed Latif,
37:15should go and propose to his leader
37:17that word by word,
37:19in the Charter of Democracy,
37:21he should invite the People's Party and PTI.
37:23I guarantee from PTI,
37:25they will sign off.
37:26Because there is everything in it,
37:28which strengthens the democratic forces.
37:30Which brings the rule of law.
37:32Okay.
37:33Mr. Mian, my time is up.
37:35I am taking out 10 seconds for you.
37:37Is it possible that PMLN can do this?
37:4010 seconds, sir.
37:42Kashif, the thing is that
37:45Mr. Mohammad Zubair is giving a guarantee.
37:48He is not even giving the basis of the person.
37:51I have accepted that
37:52Mr. Zubair will have a lot to do.
37:54So, he has given this guarantee.
37:56Who can guarantee this?
37:58Then why did you make a joke in 2004?
38:01Because there is no guarantee for anyone.
38:03You can't go on like this.
38:05As far as...
38:07I have to take a break, Mr. Mian.
38:09I am being asked to take a break again and again.
38:10Let's take a break, viewers.
38:11We will be back after the break.
38:15Welcome back, viewers.
38:16This happens again and again.
38:18Everyone will have to sit.
38:20Let's do a new charter of democracy.
38:22Let's give it a new name.
38:23How will this country run?
38:24Let's decide its limits.
38:26No one will use their shoulders.
38:28No unilateral work.
38:30We will strengthen the institutions.
38:32It is such a difficult task.
38:33Let's make the elections free.
38:35Everyone will become irrelevant.
38:37People will become relevant.
38:39Let people vote.
38:40The country will move forward.
38:42Allow me to leave. Allah Hafiz.