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Imran Khan adamant on executing November 24 protest - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15There will be a protest on November 24, but what is the future of negotiations?
00:20Negotiations between the government, the establishment and justice system have become a dilemma today.
00:27I am saying this because while leaving the Islambad High Court,
00:32the Minister of Internal Affairs, Mohsin Naqvi, completely denied that there is any negotiation between the government, the establishment and the justice system.
00:42There is no negotiation. There is no point in threatening and then saying that we have to negotiate.
00:47When are we negotiating?
00:48When he says that there are threats and protests,
00:51For the past year and a half, Imran Khan, the chairman of the Justice Department, has been in jail.
00:56And the protests have been postponed several times just so that you remember that the doors of the jail were opened at 7 in the morning.
01:02Anyway, on the one hand, this is Mohsin Naqvi's claim.
01:04Now see what Imran Khan said.
01:06Imran Khan said during a conversation in jail that I am being told to postpone the protest for 10 days.
01:12He said that this message was brought to me by Ali Ameen Ghandapur and Barrister Gauhar.
01:17I can't tell you who sent this message.
01:21You are very smart and you must have understood who the message was sent to.
01:26Let me tell you that Imran Khan clearly denied the government's negotiation.
01:31He said that there will be no negotiation with this government.
01:36He also said that the government is not serious about negotiations and will continue and will continue the protests.
01:43Now let's see which of the two is true.
01:45Mohsin Naqvi's statement that there will be no negotiations and Imran Khan's statement that he is being sent a message to me.
01:54In the last two days, the doors of Adyala Jail were opened twice.
01:58And the doors of Adyala Jail are usually not opened without the consent of the Sahis.
02:05Politicians often go for negotiations in Tariq-e-Insaf and they are arrested or not allowed to meet.
02:13But if a minister, who is also a negotiator, and on his demand that I don't want to go alone,
02:20Barrister Gauhar should also be sent with me.
02:22Both of them were not only sent inside, but they were also made to negotiate.
02:27The message that was sent was put in front of Imran Khan.
02:30So it seems that at least circumstantial evidence says that there was some message as a result of the negotiations
02:39which was sent to Imran Khan and on which he refused.
02:43In the last week, if you look at the incidents,
02:46how many such incidents took place in which dozens of our soldiers were martyred
02:53and Mohsin Naqvi was trying to bring the Indian team to Pakistan.
02:58He was making statements on this, he was going around stadiums.
03:02So the art of putting two things together,
03:05about which Rana Sanawullah had advised Mohsin Naqvi
03:10that please keep both the full-time jobs together.
03:13What did Rana Sahab say?
03:14I don't know if I should do one or the other.
03:16It's up to them.
03:17This decision should be made by them.
03:19I can only say that both these positions are full-time jobs.
03:24If Mohsin Naqvi is doing two full-time jobs,
03:27then today's complaint and today's press conference,
03:31in my opinion, should be left to a PCP
03:33because the situation is so bad in Pakistan right now due to terrorism and security.
03:39In any case, the Islamabad High Court asked a lot of questions for the public, which is fine.
03:44Today there was a petition, IG Islamabad, Mohsin Naqvi and all these people were present at that hearing.
03:52They gave very emotional statements that see what is happening in this country, etc.
03:58The real problem is that on the one hand, the Islamabad High Court is right.
04:02No one knows, neither Islamabad nor the citizens of Rawalpindi,
04:04what will happen on Sunday and Sunday.
04:06Everyone is sure that the internet will be shut down.
04:09Everyone is sure that the city will be closed by putting a container.
04:12It is possible that more cities will be closed.
04:15Everyone knows that if people try to leave,
04:17then tear gas will be used openly,
04:20there will be surroundings,
04:22protesters will be throwing stones at them and their business life will be ruined.
04:27No one knows how many days will be left,
04:29but it is true that all this will happen.
04:33And it is a basic fundamental right of people that their lives are not affected.
04:40But there are many other fundamental rights too,
04:43which should only be considered by the courts.
04:47Protesting for their rights is the fundamental right of every citizen.
04:52Has the court tried to make this right credible?
04:58On many occasions, they have been given the right to protest.
05:03But we have also seen in the past two years,
05:06all the politics that have been seen in the past two years,
05:09that justice has been deprived of many fundamental rights as a community.
05:14People were not even given the right to vote for the political party of their choice.
05:20This is a very fundamental right of the political party.
05:25Did the votes count properly?
05:27Is there a protection of fundamental human rights in this country today?
05:32The police barge into someone's house whenever they want,
05:36and we see and hear all kinds of scenes and things from there.
05:40They take away whenever they want,
05:41they raid people's homes,
05:43they are not allowed to express their opinions,
05:45even after being imprisoned in jail,
05:49a lot of things are done despite the court's order,
05:53meetings are not allowed.
05:55And people's businesses,
05:57today I was talking to a PTI representative in Punjab,
06:01he said that the journey that Punjab has made,
06:03because not only the family life has not been affected,
06:05people's businesses have also been destroyed.
06:08But we should also consider this,
06:10we have Mr. Athar Kazmi, Mr. Waseem Badami,
06:13and Mr. Mohammad Zubair with us.
06:15Thank you very much to all the guests.
06:17I was listening to Mr. Mohsin Naqvi today,
06:19and I thought we should look at the other angle as well.
06:21The first question is,
06:23will something happen on the 24th?
06:25Waseem, I will start with you in Karachi.
06:27Let's start with the analysis.
06:29What do you think?
06:31Will something happen on the 24th?
06:33Or will it just go on like this,
06:35the Jalsa Jaloos will be over?
06:37In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
06:39We are talking about negotiations,
06:41and both the parties are doing the right thing.
06:43I feel that the government,
06:45the actual government,
06:47tried to convince Mr. Imran Khan
06:49that the date of this protest
06:51should be moved forward
06:53and we will see what happens.
06:55In response to this,
06:57Mr. Imran Khan said that
06:59if this is the case,
07:01you had already convinced us
07:03and we were also ditched
07:05in the Sanjani protest.
07:08So, if you do something,
07:10we will move forward.
07:12Lahore, I am sure you have spoken
07:14to some important people in the protest,
07:16and they have given me the same examples.
07:18They have done this and that,
07:20but they have not fulfilled their promise.
07:22I have heard the phrase,
07:24we don't want to look like fools.
07:26Like they always give a lollipop,
07:28that we will move forward
07:30and then we will see what happens.
07:32And then we will move forward
07:34and then we will lose.
07:36So, Mr. Imran Khan said
07:38that even if Mr. Imran Khan is released,
07:40then on the 24th,
07:42he will lead the protest
07:44in the form of a celebration,
07:46but still he will not cancel it.
07:48No, no, no, I will tell you,
07:50there is a correction in this too.
07:52There is a correction in this too.
07:54Even if Mr. Imran Khan is released on the 24th,
07:56he will lead the protest himself.
07:58If all the demands are met,
08:00then there will be a celebration.
08:02By the way, let me tell you
08:04that if Mr. Imran Khan was released,
08:06he would have called the PTI.
08:08Anyway, a lot is happening these days.
08:10Yes, I am a little surprised about that.
08:12A common man,
08:14who has a lot of attachment to Mr. Khan,
08:16everyone has the right
08:18to be attached to any leader,
08:20I understand his excitement,
08:22but a few well-informed people,
08:24a few involved people,
08:26their excitement,
08:28I mean, a lot of serious people
08:30called and asked
08:32about this.
08:34I don't know why they felt this way.
08:36Now on the 24th,
08:38your question is,
08:40will it happen?
08:42Let's stop here for a second.
08:44Let's stop here for a second.
08:46Let me ask Mr. Zubair,
08:48because you have started
08:50with a lot of negotiations.
08:52Mr. Zubair, what do you think?
08:54Even if Imran Khan continues
08:56his protest for 10-15 days,
08:58what will happen in 10-15 days?
09:00Neither can he bring down the government,
09:02nor will he bring down his own government,
09:04that is, return Imran Khan's mandate,
09:06reverse the 26th amendment.
09:08These are things that are not going to happen.
09:10So why do you think they are asking
09:12for 15 days?
09:14Look, the government
09:16will want to go as far as possible,
09:18because you are right
09:20that the government has nothing to offer.
09:22At best,
09:24we will run your cases quickly
09:26and eventually leave you.
09:28There are guarantees for that too.
09:30But obviously,
09:32reversing the 26th amendment
09:34and getting justice in the 2024 elections,
09:36which are their other demands,
09:38and all other political prisoners,
09:40that is not going to happen.
09:42So PTI also has to understand
09:44that this will not happen.
09:46So by doing this further,
09:48PTI supporters will
09:50start losing hope
09:52that there will be a protest
09:54from our side or not.
09:56One thing that PTI has convinced
09:58its supporters to do
10:00is that they have no option
10:02other than a protest.
10:04And the government also understands
10:06that PTI cannot see anything
10:08other than a protest.
10:10Neither can the election commission
10:12go, nor can it go to the courts.
10:14After becoming a constitutional bench,
10:16there is absolutely no hope.
10:18There is no hope from the parliament.
10:20So what option does PTI have?
10:22PTI only has the option of a protest.
10:24The moment it is announced
10:26and the date is approaching,
10:28the protest starts.
10:30Containers start being placed.
10:32Threats start coming.
10:34Now there is another nature of threats
10:36which I think is very important to repeat.
10:38Mohsin Naqvi has also suggested
10:40that the protestors in London
10:42will have their PTI, KKG passports
10:44and ID cards revoked
10:46and the degrees of the students
10:48can also be cancelled,
10:50which is absolutely unconstitutional
10:52I don't think that the government
10:54should be responsible for this.
10:56Mr. Zubair, I am sorry to say
10:58that Malik's mischief is unchallenged.
11:00He does such things.
11:02We will do this.
11:04Thank God he is not saying
11:06that we will send your family
11:08out of Pakistan and send them to Afghanistan.
11:10What is the use of Mohsin Naqvi
11:12if he does all these statements?
11:14See, this right has been accepted
11:16in the world that you should protest.
11:18If there was any illegal act,
11:20then the dictatorial minds
11:22would have come close to someone
11:24and if they get a position,
11:26then they will think that
11:28they will run Pakistan.
11:30Kashif, a lot of ministers
11:32and government officials
11:34say that they will not allow this
11:36because this is a terrorist group.
11:38The problem is that
11:40when you talk to them
11:42and I also talk to some government
11:44MNAs or senators
11:46or ministers,
11:48they are very clear
11:50and let me make it very blunt.
11:52They say that
11:54we will go to any extent
11:56to kill them, to stop them.
11:58We will go to that extent.
12:00Damn with fundamental rights.
12:02People say that
12:04this is a terrorist group.
12:06We will not let them come forward.
12:08And for them, it is a matter
12:10of political survival.
12:12If they let PTI come forward,
12:14then it becomes the government's throne.
12:16It is a very simple choice.
12:18I agree.
12:20Exactly.
12:22All the demands
12:24if you agree to this.
12:26This is a conceding thing.
12:28This is a conceding thing.
12:30Yes, let Mr. Imran Khan come out.
12:32The day Imran Khan comes out,
12:34there will be no government.
12:36Let's be honest that
12:38he is inside right now.
12:40But the day he comes out,
12:42everything will change.
12:44The political landscape will change.
12:46Why does Mr. Khan think that
12:48his words will be accepted?
12:50Mr. Khan has no other choice right now.
12:52When he was bailed out,
12:54as Mr. Waseem Badami said,
12:56people were questioning
12:58whether he will be released.
13:00The next day, you see the headlines
13:02of the newspapers,
13:04it is impossible to be released.
13:06If you ask any senior person,
13:08they will say that
13:10it is impossible to be released.
13:12Every court in the capital
13:14gives bail to a person
13:16and every person agrees
13:18to give 35 bails.
13:20Then they know that
13:22I will not get any relief
13:24through this system.
13:26How will I get relief?
13:28I will have to protest.
13:30But when they say that
13:32everything will be fine
13:34if Ali Ameen Ghandapur
13:36and Barrister Gauhar
13:38offer to protest,
13:40I don't think so.
13:42Mr. Ali Ameen was asked
13:44to let Barrister Gauhar
13:46go with him.
13:48He was very optimistic.
13:50The next day before the meeting,
13:52Barrister Gauhar was very optimistic.
13:54He said that
13:56we are trying to get
13:58Imran Khan released.
14:00Barrister Gauhar said this.
14:02So be prepared.
14:04It is a very good news.
14:06It is a good thing that
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20:12Because of that.
20:16Welcome back, Naazim.
20:18As I said, will Imran Khan
20:20deal?
20:22I think he did.
20:24He went to Islamabad High Court
20:26and held a press conference.
20:28You cannot negotiate with threats.
20:30What does it mean?
20:32When can it happen?
20:34Political parties say they will
20:36negotiate but the government...
20:38Isn't it right that whenever
20:40the door opens,
20:42the message is sent.
20:44But it's unfortunate that
20:46the government is
20:48creating this impression
20:50that we won't negotiate
20:52until you do something like this.
20:54The other day, all the leaders
20:56went to meet him and
20:58he was arrested.
21:00When the pressure came,
21:02the door opened and
21:04Ali Amin went twice.
21:06The way the administration
21:08in Islamabad saw the rally
21:10of the police,
21:12the way the police
21:14were shouting slogans.
21:16Did we see anything like this
21:18in the past?
21:20Then the police officers
21:22were interviewed and
21:24their clips went viral.
21:26This is not your job.
21:28I saw my friend's interview.
21:30I called him.
21:32I saw his interview
21:34on a digital platform.
21:36I asked him to come to me.
21:38I wanted to talk to him
21:40about what we will do
21:42and how we will stop.
21:44He hasn't been allowed yet.
21:46Someone told me that
21:48he will be interviewed
21:50and we will do it.
21:52It's unfortunate that
21:54the way the police and
21:56the national institutions
21:58were tweeted by the PTV
22:00and the way the words
22:02were used,
22:04that in the first 9 months
22:068000 crimes were committed
22:08and 4 billion rupees were
22:10looted from the citizens of Islamabad.
22:12This was reported by Dawn News
22:14in robberies and thefts.
22:16Look at the police.
22:18It's very unfortunate.
22:20But the priorities are right.
22:22If they let Jammu and Ghaffir
22:24come to Islamabad,
22:26it will be a problem.
22:28Our priority is not to let them come.
22:30You talked about the deal.
22:32Will there be a deal or not?
22:34There won't be a deal
22:36but there will be negotiations.
22:38Ali Ameen was given a formal message
22:40and Khan also received a formal message.
22:42Khan told him some conditions.
22:44If someone says that
22:46there won't be a negotiation,
22:48there won't be a deal.
22:50I don't see a deal being made
22:52because the system is
22:54trying to keep Imran Khan inside.
22:56A deal means to roll back the system.
22:58I don't see that happening.
23:00Mr. Waseem Badami,
23:02do you see a deal being made?
23:06Do you see something?
23:08I don't see a deal being made
23:10but I think there should be
23:12a way for both sides
23:14to give each other an exit.
23:16It's true that when Imran Khan
23:18increases the pressure,
23:20he fires and then straight fires.
23:22When he says he will come on the road,
23:24he gets more lift.
23:26But Khan has to think
23:28what he has to do by increasing the pressure.
23:30Ultimately, he has to reach a solution.
23:32There is a point where you have to decide
23:34whether to increase the pressure
23:36and bring the other person to the table
23:38and then make a deal.
23:40If you don't like the deal,
23:42then do something else.
23:46Let's make a comparison with
23:48Mian Nawaz Sharif.
23:50He was in jail for 1-1.5 years.
23:52I think the establishment
23:54has made a lot of decisions.
23:56There was no need
23:58to put so much pressure.
24:00Here, the establishment
24:02doesn't want to talk to Imran Khan
24:04because if he comes out,
24:06the system will fall.
24:08And Khan cannot be trusted.
24:10That's their other problem.
24:12Who will trust Khan?
24:14So, if you don't compare
24:16the two,
24:18Imran Khan can't come out
24:20unless the situation
24:22is very bad.
24:26You are right.
24:28In this situation,
24:30the popularity
24:32which is their asset
24:34has become a liability.
24:36If you go to this house,
24:38then you have to go to that house.
24:40I am saying that
24:42if Khan has to offer
24:44confidence building measures,
24:46then let him do it.
24:48If the system needs a guarantee
24:50that we will not go beyond one limit
24:52and there will be no chaos,
24:54then he should come out.
24:56Of course, there are details
24:58of how the other team
25:00will trust the first team.
25:02Pakistan has a long history.
25:04There are many guarantors.
25:06There are international and national
25:08guarantors.
25:10Otherwise,
25:12there is a choice
25:14to come on the streets
25:16and increase the pressure.
25:18How long will it go on like this?
25:20So, I think that
25:22we have to end this tension.
25:24That may not be
25:26in accordance with
25:28Mr. Khan's popular narrative.
25:30But I think the practical solution
25:32is in some form.
25:34Mr. Zubair,
25:36when messages were sent to Mr. Imran Khan
25:38in the last 1-2 days,
25:40when he spoke to the journalists
25:42and his family,
25:44he said that if he had to make a deal,
25:46he would have done it 1.5-1.5 years ago.
25:48At that time, there was no deal offer.
25:50If you leave Pakistan,
25:52you will be silenced.
25:54He is very clear
25:56that there will be
25:58no deal.
26:00I will not back down
26:02from my position.
26:04Do you think that
26:06he can find a political solution
26:08with this position?
26:10Kashif,
26:12yesterday you said
26:14that power talks to power.
26:16If Imran Khan
26:18is ready to sit down,
26:20he will not leave it.
26:22This is the first thing.
26:24The second thing is,
26:26let's be honest,
26:28the Army Chief's statement
26:30yesterday in Karachi,
26:32he addressed the businessman
26:34and the news came out.
26:36His reflection,
26:38his thinking,
26:40the present system,
26:42the present ruling parties,
26:44the PMLN-led government,
26:46which talked about default
26:48till last year,
26:50that Pakistan's economy is bad,
26:52the political atmosphere is bad,
26:54nothing can improve.
26:56They should be accountable.
26:58In their view,
27:00Imran Khan is not part
27:02of the solution.
27:04He is part of the problem
27:06as far as Pakistan's present
27:08and future is concerned.
27:10If they understand,
27:12that Imran Khan is a problem
27:14then they will not be facilitated.
27:16This is my basic view.
27:18Sir, but you must remember
27:20that Nawaz Sharif and
27:22Maryam Nawaz were involved.
27:24They were involved.
27:26What did Maryam Nawaz say?
27:28Power talks to power.
27:30If you show power,
27:32it will be negotiated.
27:34She also said
27:36that if there is a dispute,
27:38there will be a dispute.
27:40And there was a dispute.
27:42Yes.
27:44And this happened
27:46that there was a period
27:48of dispute,
27:50but the advantage
27:52in the PMLN was that
27:54the Mufaimati group
27:56was there from the beginning.
27:58Shabaz Sharif's group
28:00had to wear a new hat.
28:02That is very true.
28:04You had Shabaz Sharif.
28:06You said Shabaz Sharif
28:08and PTI.
28:10I don't think
28:12that there is any Shabaz Sharif and PTI.
28:14There must be many
28:16who want to talk
28:18and take the issue
28:20forward.
28:22But there was another thing
28:24which was easy for Shabaz Sharif.
28:26When the former establishment
28:28which was led by General Pajwa,
28:30when they were fed up
28:32with Imran Khan,
28:34then there was a way.
28:36If they were not fed up,
28:38then they would have
28:40moved the cabinet.
28:42Mr. Zubair,
28:44you must remember
28:46that the cabinet was being discussed
28:48even before the elections.
28:50Then in 2019,
28:52when the extension vote was announced,
28:54then it was decided
28:56to take Punjab.
28:58I think that COVID
29:00saved Imran Khan's government
29:02for a year and a half.
29:04A lot of things were
29:06discussed.
29:08I think the government would have
29:10been overthrown
29:12if there was no COVID.
29:14Is there any Shabaz Sharif?
29:16I object to this question.
29:18There is only one Shabaz Sharif.
29:20You won't find another Shabaz Sharif
29:22in the whole world.
29:24Leave aside the politics of Pakistan.
29:26I think the way they have run
29:28Wazart-e-Uzma,
29:30the way they have accommodated
29:32all the allies from Mohsin Naqvi
29:34to Shabaz Sharif,
29:36there is no Shabaz Sharif
29:38in any other Jamaat.
29:40What is the solution
29:42to this problem?
29:44The fundamental solution
29:46is that people don't like it.
29:48The solution will come
29:50when you go against the law.
29:52That won't happen.
29:54Everyone knows that the solution
29:56is to go against the law,
29:58but this country has not done
30:00that for 70 years.
30:02A military dictator
30:04will say that this is just a book.
30:06Exactly.
30:08We have been standing there
30:10for 76 years.
30:12A year ago it was said
30:14that the economy will improve.
30:16Musaddiq Malik sold
30:18a land worth billions of dollars.
30:20A press conference was held
30:22about the same.
30:24The country is not happy
30:26with such things.
30:28We will have to decide.
30:30If you continue to sell land
30:32on the streets,
30:34how will the country improve?
30:36When your minister says
30:38that he will sell the land
30:40worth billions of dollars,
30:42people will think the same way.
30:44Badami sir himself
30:46was there for a few days.
30:48Badami sir went to Shabaz Sharif
30:50and asked where the land
30:52worth billions of dollars is.
30:54This is a joke.
30:56We have to think seriously.
30:5850 years ago,
31:00the elders gave the constitution
31:02for a reason.
31:04Don't you know why?
31:06So that the constitution
31:08can be broken again and again.
31:10Badami sir is a strange man.
31:12Why did he give the constitution?
31:14That is why he gave it.
31:16He should break it every day.
31:20The solution to this
31:22is academic.
31:24It is impractical
31:26if all the stakeholders
31:28step back and sit.
31:30This will not be an event
31:32as a result of which
31:34civil and supremacy will come out.
31:36This will be a process.
31:38There will be a lot of debates.
31:40If I benefit today,
31:42I will sit in someone's car
31:44and beat you.
31:46Tomorrow you will benefit
31:48and you will sit in his car
31:50and beat me.
31:52This is the choice of politicians.
31:54I am saying this without
31:56justifying anything.
31:58The players are here.
32:00What is the sentiment on the other side?
32:02Mr. Zubair has rightly pointed out.
32:04If the government is ready to talk
32:06for lip service,
32:08then one or the other channel
32:10should be kept open.
32:12If someone has to take a step back
32:14for confidence-building measures,
32:16which is not very popular,
32:18then it should be taken.
32:20I think the solution is
32:22Khadim.
32:26Who is Khadim?
32:30Khadim, I call myself.
32:34I agree with Mr. Badami.
32:36Mr. Badami,
32:38practical politics
32:40has brought us here.
32:42I think
32:44why the rules
32:46are being broken again and again
32:48is because all of us
32:50are in the same boat.
32:52I know it is a very romantic line
32:54to stand up and be counted.
32:56That is why
32:58Aayin has been breaking
33:00in this country for 70 years.
33:02Everybody is okay with him.
33:04Let's deal with him.
33:06He is gone.
33:08His thorns have been removed.
33:10Tomorrow there will be another deal.
33:12My thorns will be removed
33:14and his thorns will be removed.
33:16Mr. Zubair, quickly.
33:18Will everything happen in Islamabad?
33:20Will the theatre of war be in Islamabad?
33:22Or will the whole of Punjab be a theatre of war?
33:24It will be happening everywhere.
33:28Let's not forget that
33:30KP and Lojasan should not be forgotten
33:32in the condition of Pakistan.
33:34It is the added dimension
33:36that is creating difficulties for Pakistan.
33:38It is creating very severe difficulties
33:40in the situation there.
33:42On 24th, it will be exactly like that.
33:44I don't think people will be allowed
33:46to go out of their homes.
33:48GT roads will be closed.
33:50Motorways will be closed.
33:52If the internet is shut down,
33:54there will be no connectivity.
33:56I don't think it will be
33:58the way PTI is thinking.
34:00I don't know what their
34:02internal thinking is.
34:04But I think the government
34:06will be successful
34:08to that extent.
34:10There will be a stick charge
34:12and a tear gas shelling.
34:14It would be great
34:16if PTI stays here.
34:18PTI should not be
34:20too passionate.
34:22Don't forget that
34:24people will be looking
34:26at Gandapur.
34:28If PTI leads,
34:30the situation will get worse.
34:32Let's see what happens.
34:34I don't think they will be allowed to come.
34:36But if it fails,
34:38PTI struggle will push
34:40them back.
34:42It will be a big setback
34:44if PTI fails
34:46after such a big effort.
34:48Like what happened
34:50in the protest.
34:52Imran Khan was supposed
34:54to hold a meeting in Islamabad.
34:56I had never seen a PTI meeting
34:58which was so small.
35:00Whether it is Imran Khan
35:02or Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
35:04they are in opposition.
35:06They may have a small setback.
35:08They were in opposition
35:10but they have a big stake
35:12in the government.
35:16Political parties will
35:18create the visuals they want.
35:20Let's talk about the visuals.
35:22Visuals are important
35:24when you are doing
35:26a regular protest.
35:28Visuals are more important
35:30than visuals.
35:32Let's take a break.
35:34We will be back.
35:40Welcome back.
36:10We will be back.