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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, you are watching Kashif Abbasi.
00:02 Today, Imran Khan Sahib presented his case of the Naib Tarameem case in the Supreme Court.
00:09 There was a dialogue between the judges and Imran Khan Sahib.
00:14 Both are looking at each other.
00:16 One said, "The situation is such that we are looking at you, Judge."
00:19 The other said, "We will complain to you. If something happens, we will look at you."
00:23 Both, in fact, the judge said this, maybe Justice Mandukhel said, "You are looking at us and we are looking at you."
00:30 Even today, if the politics of this country is revolving around Imran Khan, if this is said, it will not be wrong.
00:37 The details of the facilities given to Imran Khan Sahib by the government of loyalty have also been told in the Supreme Court today.
00:47 A picture of the room was shown, that this is the room in which Imran Khan Sahib is in jail.
00:53 You can see a bed, a room cooler, a TV, a chair table.
00:58 Then it was also told what food they get, dry fruit and almonds have also been talked about.
01:03 On one hand, the stories still revolve around Imran Khan Sahib, whether he is in jail, whether he is being presented somewhere,
01:13 he should be completely sidelined.
01:15 Imran Khan Sahib is also leading the story today.
01:20 On the other hand, it seems that Mian Sahib is still a brother to the Prime Minister, a daughter to the Prime Minister.
01:26 Mian Sahib is still a little irrelevant in these circumstances.
01:31 The stories are not even against his governance.
01:36 There is usually a lot of debate against governments that the government is running well, the government is running badly, it is not working, it is expensive.
01:43 But even today, you hear very little about the government's activities.
01:49 The whole thing revolves around politics, the debate is all about these things and Imran Khan Sahib is still leading the story.
02:00 What is the reason for that?
02:01 Why is Mian Sahib irrelevant?
02:03 Why is Imran Khan Sahib still the most relevant political personality in Pakistan?
02:08 His political party is so relevant.
02:11 Mushahid Hussain Sahib is with us.
02:13 Assalamu Alaikum, Mushahid Sahib.
02:15 Assalamu Alaikum, Kashif Sahib and your viewers.
02:19 Walaikum Salam, sir.
02:20 Sir, today I will tell you that Imran Khan Sahib is in jail because of the infamous case of Iddat.
02:28 But have you seen the picture that Imran Khan Sahib has come in front of?
02:33 Which picture? I have seen his picture, the one about his jail.
02:38 Yes, yes, I am talking about the same picture about which Talal Chaudhary Sahib said that he is cutting jail with great fun.
02:47 I don't know why people forget such fun, but he says that he is cutting jail with great fun.
02:53 Do you still think that Imran Khan Sahib is leading the political debate in Pakistan?
02:59 Is he being followed?
03:00 No, it is very ironic, Kashif Sahib, that somebody who was supposed to be a non-person,
03:08 who cannot even be mentioned, the prisoner number 804,
03:12 all the politicians are following him.
03:15 He is getting free publicity.
03:17 And even if he is inside, the whole focus is on him, the politics is on him, the cases are about him,
03:24 and the debate is also about him.
03:27 So, in my opinion, the so-called loser, Artfabrika, he is the big winner.
03:33 And our politics is now stuck in a deadlock.
03:36 I can see a triangle.
03:38 On one side is state power, which is using the stick.
03:42 On one side is street power, which is around the prisoner number 804.
03:46 And on the third force, which is the judiciary, they are looking at each other,
03:50 but they are more with the street power than with the state power.
03:54 So, this is a very strange situation in the politics of Pakistan.
03:58 And this is the first time, Kashif Sahib, that we are seeing this mix, this triangular mix,
04:05 that is operating in this way.
04:06 Like you are saying that the judiciary is also looking at the street power.
04:08 The politicians who were made to go out, they usually became unpopular,
04:12 their talk was less, agitational politics was there.
04:16 They did not dominate the judiciary in this way.
04:18 Here, the judiciary is dominating what it is doing now,
04:21 which you put inside, they lost, loser Artfabrika.
04:25 They won, they were defeated, despite that they did not lose.
04:29 This is the way what they are dealing with, the government and establishment,
04:32 is dealing with this thing, Is that true?
04:35 Yes, you are absolutely right.
04:38 And this is also a new unique thing that in our system, the state structure,
04:42 it always used to be that in the state system, the judiciary always sided with the state power.
04:48 Now, there is a kind of, you say, that the rebels have come out,
04:56 judges are also speaking out.
04:57 So, this is a new situation in Pakistan, in the power structure.
05:01 And the position seems to have hardened up, and we are not moving forward in that.
05:06 And in that, the crisis is getting more serious day by day, I think.
05:11 And sir, as usual, we used to see in Pakistani politics,
05:15 that when the establishment used to talk, for example, a position was taken against someone,
05:22 so the politicians used to move back a few steps against that.
05:25 You know, you don't want to be up against them.
05:27 Here, there is a press conference from there, and from here, there is a response press conference.
05:31 So, this deadlock environment, and the judiciary used to move back a few steps,
05:37 we have seen that they used to take a softer view of the situation.
05:40 Here, the judges are writing letters to the high courts.
05:44 The judges are calling you to come here, like you are here to present yourself in the courts.
05:48 The way all this is happening, is this unprecedented for you?
05:51 Have you ever seen this situation before, Mr. Musharraf?
05:56 I think that the last days of General Musharraf,
06:02 it started when the judicial crisis started,
06:04 when he removed Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary on 7 March 2007.
06:12 On that day, General Musharraf's popularity was 70% in Pakistan.
06:16 And that was the popularity.
06:18 And that crisis, which was self-created, kept on increasing, increasing, increasing.
06:23 And the judiciary was separated, and that too was revolted.
06:27 So, that was the last time I saw that.
06:29 I saw this recently, and I think this is quite unprecedented.
06:35 Another thing that has happened, Mr. Kashif, is that we are not responding to ground realities.
06:41 After 8 February, Pakistan has changed.
06:45 After 8 February, people gave a vote, and people feel that there is injustice, there is unfairness.
06:51 So, there is a resistance, a defiance, an atmosphere.
06:56 I will give you an example of two neighboring countries.
06:59 I just came back from Iran.
07:01 When Ibrahim Raisi died in Iran, all of a sudden,
07:06 on that day, his leader announced that the acting president is this,
07:10 elections will be held on that date, these are the rules of the game.
07:13 A smooth process went on.
07:14 Just days ago, elections were held in India.
07:17 Such a big election has been held.
07:19 Modi has received such a big shock. It was a surprise.
07:21 The surprise we received on 8 February in Pakistan,
07:24 was the same surprise Modi received on 4 June.
07:26 But, electronic voting machines, elections were held through EBM.
07:31 The loser or the winner, everyone was satisfied.
07:34 No one complained that there was injustice or unfairness.
07:38 So, this means that the institutions have a superiority over the people.
07:43 And this is a strength of the system.
07:45 So, the fundamental problem we have is that,
07:50 the institutions in our system have become so weak,
07:52 that their credibility is very poor.
07:54 And that is why this crisis is increasing.
07:56 Sir, but this crisis is increasing.
07:58 Initially, when I showed you Imran Khan's picture,
08:01 the picture of the room,
08:02 he said that he is cutting the 'Kaide-e-Ayashi'.
08:07 If someone asks him,
08:08 "Mr. Talal Chaudhary, Mr. Mian has been running from this 'Kaide-e-Ayashi' for 4 years in London.
08:13 And we can show you the picture of the room that Mr. Mian was using.
08:18 Let's see the comparison.
08:19 On one side, there was a nice open room,
08:22 attached to the bathroom.
08:23 Maryam Nawaz Sharif was there recently.
08:26 And she said that Mr. Mian was present in this room.
08:30 But how this political game keeps coming back to square one.
08:35 We are always in that square after a while.
08:37 Some time ago, this same Muslim League was talking about all these regimes,
08:42 these arrests, this political victimization.
08:45 And today, they are standing at the center of all this.
08:48 They are defending and defending what is happening in Pakistani politics.
08:51 How do they do this, Mr. Politician?
08:53 Please explain this.
08:54 Look, in Pakistan, from 2017 to 2024,
09:00 7 Prime Ministers came in 7 years.
09:03 It's a record.
09:05 7 Prime Ministers in 7 years.
09:07 Number one.
09:08 Number two, there have been two soft coups.
09:10 In 2017, when Mr. Mian was removed from the Akama,
09:14 that was also a soft coup.
09:16 It was unfair.
09:17 He was put in the 'Kaide-e-Na Haq' (Injustice and Injustice)
09:19 That was also unfair.
09:20 Now, it is the same that Mr. Mian,
09:23 that role reversal happened.
09:25 That Imran Khan was also removed in 2022,
09:28 that was also a soft coup.
09:30 And in that, the role reversal happened.
09:32 And if Mr. Mian's 'Kaide-e-Na Haq'
09:37 was also 'Kaide-e-Na Haq',
09:39 if the case of 'Iddat' talks about you,
09:41 it's a joke now.
09:42 And it's not even a joke, it's tragic.
09:44 Because Pakistan, our beloved country,
09:46 has such a bad image.
09:48 People are asking questions in the State Department.
09:50 Which is embarrassing.
09:52 It's putting Pakistan in a very poor light.
09:54 Such a great country, such a big country,
09:56 which was given to you in the 'Kaide-e-Na Haq'.
09:58 To what level have we reached?
10:00 So, I think we should review this situation.
10:04 And secondly, as they say in English,
10:06 "Chickens always come home to roost."
10:08 The same situation has come back.
10:10 We all make mistakes,
10:12 but we all end up repeating the old mistakes.
10:14 I say, make new mistakes,
10:16 don't repeat the old mistakes.
10:18 You were saying, I wrote this sentence for you.
10:20 Sir, I quote you, that Mr. Vishayat says,
10:22 "Don't repeat your old mistakes,
10:24 make new mistakes."
10:26 The problem is that if you look at our political system,
10:28 it's the same.
10:30 We can't change the playbook.
10:32 I don't know why we don't change our playbook.
10:34 If we had worked in 1924,
10:36 then this playbook will work in 2024.
10:38 Look, what did the great scientist Dr. Einstein say?
10:44 "Trying to do the same thing over and over again,
10:46 expecting a different outcome,
10:48 is either stupidity or insanity."
10:50 Look, in 1975, you made Wali Khan a traitor,
10:52 through the Supreme Court.
10:54 In 1979, you hanged Bhutto.
10:56 In 2017, you threw Mr. Mian on the ground.
10:58 What was the result?
11:00 All the cases were thrown in the dustbin of history.
11:02 The three cases that were heteroclical,
11:04 against prisoner number 804,
11:06 what did you do after that?
11:08 You did it with Saifur, Toshakhana,
11:10 and the mother of all idiocies,
11:12 the case of Iddat.
11:14 What was the result of that?
11:16 We are a laughingstock,
11:18 and every case is being thrown out,
11:20 out of the window by the people.
11:22 We are a laughingstock,
11:24 and every case is being thrown out,
11:26 out of the window by the courts.
11:28 We don't learn lessons.
11:30 That is why we are in this mess.
11:32 We are stuck in a dead end.
11:34 Sir, but what is the way to get out of this mess?
11:36 We usually give the example of a pressure cooker.
11:38 There is a pressure cooker,
11:40 you take out the lid from it,
11:42 and when you lift the lid,
11:44 air comes out,
11:46 and the pressure is released.
11:48 In this system,
11:50 do you see any release from the system,
11:52 or should we talk about
11:54 moving forward with the pressure?
11:56 Because everyone is sitting
11:58 in their respective positions,
12:00 with very firm positions.
12:02 I don't see any way to move forward.
12:04 People can also change their firm positions.
12:06 People can also change their firm positions.
12:08 Now, the same Imran Khan,
12:10 who used to make fun of Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
12:12 has now sat with him.
12:14 His alliance is about to break.
12:16 So, there is no such thing.
12:18 Do you trans-health,
12:20 do you trans-health facilities also?
12:22 The same Pakistani establishment
12:24 that had brought out
12:26 Muslim League Noon,
12:28 and put allegations against him.
12:30 After a change of guard,
12:32 they have embraced him.
12:34 So, in our country,
12:36 taking U-turns,
12:38 under the doctrine of necessity,
12:40 we do it.
12:42 Whether it is an establishment,
12:44 or political forces.
12:46 Sir, Imran Khan,
12:48 will he compromise?
12:50 I will compromise.
12:52 I find that there is no such thing.
12:54 The same Imran Khan,
12:56 who said that there is no
12:58 fight with America.
13:00 And he has taken back
13:02 the blame he had against America.
13:04 So, Imran Khan is very flexible.
13:06 He is a survivor.
13:08 He is a politician.
13:10 And he is playing in Pakistan's politics.
13:12 And he is enjoying playing this game now.
13:14 Because he is the centerpiece,
13:16 center of gravity in Pakistan's politics.
13:18 He is enjoying it.
13:20 He is giving instructions.
13:22 His articles are being published
13:24 in Economist.
13:26 He is taking interviews.
13:28 He is having a ball as a politician.
13:30 He is the only one who is enjoying politics.
13:32 The rest are scared.
13:34 The state system is scared.
13:36 Where are we stuck?
13:38 Mr. Mian is sulking.
13:40 The rest are in tension.
13:42 I have not seen any government minister
13:44 or any government politician
13:46 smile after 8th February.
13:48 I want to take you back to 2016-17.
13:52 You did a seminar in Islamabad.
13:54 You spoke about democracy.
13:56 You gave a very good speech.
13:58 There was Mr. Mahmood Khan Achakzai.
14:00 There was Mr. Baloch Dusey Rehnuma.
14:02 Everyone was there and saying...
14:04 Hasil Bazinjo is behind.
14:06 Hasil Bazinjo is behind.
14:08 Hasil Bazinjo is behind.
14:10 I am sorry.
14:12 I was thinking about his name.
14:14 I am old. What can I do?
14:16 It was a very good speech.
14:18 How do you think Mr. Mian
14:20 must have decided to go through
14:22 those speeches and positions
14:24 and then make a deal again
14:26 and say, "I will play your game."
14:28 "I am ready to do whatever you say."
14:30 How does a politician decide this journey?
14:32 How do you think it was done?
14:34 Look, whether it is countries,
14:40 societies, governments, parties
14:42 or individuals,
14:44 there is always an evolution.
14:46 Even the journey of Pakistan's movement
14:52 was decided when our leader said
14:54 that if we don't have a future in Congress,
14:56 we will come through the Muslim League.
14:58 These are priorities.
15:00 It is in the priorities that
15:04 we have to bring a democratic Pakistan.
15:06 Those priorities are different.
15:08 If our priorities are
15:10 that we want power at all costs
15:12 and we want to bring about
15:14 a democratic Pakistan,
15:16 then your priorities are different.
15:18 If your political tribalism is
15:20 that you want to end your enemy
15:22 at all costs through other forces
15:24 and you don't want to fight
15:26 a political war with them
15:28 even if it is ended by state coercion,
15:30 that is the biggest thing.
15:32 In 1979, all the opponents of Bhutto
15:34 said, "Zia-ul-Haq, first hang him
15:36 and then have an election."
15:38 Because they had lost the battle,
15:40 they could have fought.
15:42 This has happened in the past.
15:44 Everyone's priorities have changed.
15:46 All the so-called Democrats
15:48 had one objective,
15:50 to hang Bhutto first
15:52 and get him hanged through the military.
15:54 They used the judiciary
15:56 and then they said, "We'll see."
15:58 Then it was their turn.
16:00 They themselves were fired.
16:02 That's a different story.
16:04 Unfortunately, this has happened in our country.
16:06 You are talking about a very vicious circle.
16:08 Nawaz Sharif was in the same position
16:10 as Imran Khan in 2016-17.
16:12 Today, Imran Khan was in that position
16:14 and today, Mian Sahab is in this position.
16:16 Before I...
16:18 One complaint of Mian Sahab is valid.
16:20 When his government started in 2013,
16:22 the 2014 protest was uncalled for.
16:24 The protest was launched
16:26 by the military establishment
16:28 at that time.
16:30 Imran Khan was also
16:32 involved in it.
16:34 He was a member of the
16:36 National Assembly.
16:38 Imran Khan was also a member of it.
16:40 Taruq Qadhi was also a member of it.
16:42 But I think that at that time,
16:44 they should have taken action.
16:46 If you say that DG ISI was involved
16:48 at that time,
16:50 then they should have taken action.
16:52 You see what the People's Party did
16:54 in Memo Gate.
16:56 General Kiani and General Pasha
16:58 took a case.
17:00 And what did they do?
17:02 They went...
17:04 They said, "We will not tolerate a state within a state."
17:06 And who gave visa to Osama bin Laden?
17:08 They confronted them.
17:10 And you saw that the establishment at that time
17:12 backed off.
17:14 So if Mian Sahab had taken action
17:16 and said, "Sir,
17:18 this is a conspiracy against me."
17:20 They did it.
17:22 In April 2013,
17:24 on my advice, "Take on the establishment."
17:26 Ghulami Sahab was conspiring against them.
17:28 I said, "Take on the establishment. Go."
17:32 And he became a political leader
17:34 from a government leader to a public leader.
17:36 So in 2014, I think,
17:38 he was very defensive.
17:40 Now he remembers that someone did this.
17:42 He should have taken action.
17:44 He should have sacked the ISI chief.
17:46 How dare you do this conspiracy
17:48 against an elected government?
17:50 He should have taken action.
17:52 In Farsi, if you remember later,
17:54 you should hit yourself.
17:56 You should not remember the punches
17:58 after the fight.
18:00 Otherwise,
18:02 then you move on and move forward.
18:04 But move forward.
18:06 Looking at the past,
18:08 it is not possible.
18:10 But the real problem in Pakistan
18:12 is that looking at the past,
18:14 there is nothing to say.
18:16 Mian Sahab had brought a revolutionary
18:18 narrative of giving the vote to the ISI.
18:20 Now he needs some revolutionary narrative.
18:22 So the resistance politics
18:24 that he has,
18:26 either...
18:28 Imran Khan has stolen the Biani.
18:30 I say,
18:32 Mian Sahab had cooked the dish
18:34 and Imran Khan has eaten it.
18:36 And the big people say,
18:38 Imran Khan has made a country of corruption.
18:40 Our master chef was Mian Sahab.
18:42 Sir, many people say...
18:44 That Biani was stolen by IK.
18:46 That Biani was stolen by IK.
18:48 Our Biani,
18:50 if you are just twiddling your thumbs
18:52 and just waiting silently and sulking,
18:54 the Biani is with them.
18:56 The Biani is with them.
18:58 Sir, many people say,
19:00 Imran Khan has made a country of corruption.
19:02 Do you remember,
19:04 what all discussions were held
19:06 from 2008 to 2013?
19:08 I remember this sentence of yours,
19:10 the one with the photo,
19:12 you had coined it.
19:14 There were many speeches.
19:16 All this Biani was made by Noon.
19:18 When Imran Khan became popular,
19:20 it looked as if Imran Khan made this Biani.
19:22 He said, "Do it."
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21:46 And on 10th December 2000,
21:48 one month before Clinton leaves office,
21:50 a special plane comes to Saudi Arabia.
21:52 - Sir, there were Lebanese as well, right?
21:54 - Yes, Saad Hariri.
21:56 But it was under their control.
21:58 Clinton had put his duty
22:00 of Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar.
22:02 And it was done.
22:04 So, this is the first model.
22:06 And the second model is
22:08 that if you have your own vision,
22:10 you decide for yourself
22:12 and you need a healing touch.
22:14 Release political prisoners.
22:16 Respect the mandate of every party.
22:18 Rule of law.
22:20 Imran Khan, for starters,
22:22 get him and his wife house-arrested.
22:24 Because of these cases,
22:26 your judiciary will face
22:28 a bigger confrontation and crisis
22:30 because the judiciary and state power
22:32 are on one side and state power is on the other.
22:34 So, this is a new problem in Pakistan.
22:36 It will be very destabilizing.
22:38 - Destabilizing factor.
22:40 - Whether it's military,
22:42 armed forces or judiciary,
22:44 it's not in our national interest.
22:46 I'm against any confrontation
22:48 with institutions.
22:50 And that's why people should step back.
22:52 - Are you seeing the crisis?
22:54 Is it possible?
22:56 Is there a better chance of it happening
22:58 or not?
23:00 - The crisis has already started.
23:02 There are daily press conferences
23:04 against each other.
23:06 And we are well on the route
23:08 to stop the process.
23:10 Judges have already made their decisions.
23:12 Superior Judiciary has actually
23:14 rebelled.
23:16 And they are siding
23:18 with state power.
23:20 So, state power is helpless.
23:22 What will state power do?
23:24 So, if people
23:26 step back,
23:28 it will be better in the national interest.
23:30 Give the country a healing touch.
23:32 Otherwise, there will be no political stability
23:34 in this country, no economic development.
23:36 We are showing so much greenery
23:38 that billions of dollars will come from there.
23:40 Nothing will happen.
23:42 We will be stuck in the same.
23:44 So, we should learn from the past
23:46 and improve the country's situation.
23:48 And give some relief to the people.
23:50 Otherwise, this whole system
23:52 I have seen it.
23:54 It has happened in the past as well.
23:56 The whole system is now only
23:58 behind prisoner number 804.
24:00 How long will this go on?
24:02 - Exactly. So, we will have to
24:04 find a way. Thank you very much.
24:06 Mushahid Hussain was with us.
24:08 He was talking about politics.
24:10 Let's take a break.
24:12 Welcome back, viewers.
24:14 You were listening to Mushahid Hussain's
24:16 conversation. Athar Kazmi is with us.
24:18 Mazar Abbas is also with us.
24:20 Today, we talked about Imran Khan.
24:22 In the first segment,
24:24 there are pictures of the cell.
24:26 Anything that is done
24:28 for some other reason,
24:30 the government is ruined.
24:32 The narrative is all about Imran Khan.
24:34 The government is not being talked about.
24:36 No one is talking about the government's
24:38 activities.
24:40 The government's activities are
24:42 the biggest focus.
24:44 No one is talking about this.
24:46 Why is that?
24:48 Where will this go?
24:50 - The problem is that if the government
24:52 wants to challenge Imran Khan's narrative,
24:54 there is a way to do it.
24:56 You talked about the cell.
24:58 He shared pictures of the cell and the jail.
25:00 He could have shared pictures of
25:02 Imran Khan's cell as well.
25:04 He could have said, "Look at this.
25:06 Look at what Imran Khan had.
25:08 Look at the facilities he got."
25:10 - Is this Imran Khan's cell?
25:12 - Yes.
25:14 - Let's show Imran Khan's cell.
25:16 - Look at Imran Khan's cell on the right.
25:18 - Yes.
25:20 - Look at the windows.
25:22 Look at the bathroom.
25:24 Everything is in one room.
25:26 The second thing is that
25:28 he has an AC.
25:30 He has an AC and a cooler.
25:32 In those days, Shahbaz Sharif
25:34 wrote a letter to the chief secretary
25:36 that if he removes the AC from
25:38 Mian's room, his kidneys will fail.
25:40 This is a letter from the doctors.
25:42 One of the doctors' report was that
25:44 in the jail, he could go into a coma
25:46 and his kidneys could fail.
25:48 We are not rejecting that medical report.
25:50 But this was the situation.
25:52 You have made your own goal here.
25:54 And that is what you said.
25:56 You said that
25:58 the debate is revolving around that.
26:00 He has been in jail for 10 months.
26:02 No one can see his picture.
26:04 No one can interview him.
26:06 But why are you and I talking?
26:08 Are we doing this because of him or him?
26:10 - Despite all the restrictions,
26:12 he is being presented in court.
26:14 - Absolutely.
26:16 - He should be shown the procedure.
26:18 Mr. Dharmendra said that the law does not
26:20 restrict. If it is his right and
26:22 the court has called him, then he should be shown.
26:24 - But the statements are still the same.
26:26 - Do you know what he is doing?
26:28 He was popular.
26:30 He made him extremely popular.
26:32 Now he is making him a legend
26:34 like the pictures of Cell.
26:36 These pictures are released after 20 years.
26:38 When someone comes to power,
26:40 he goes and sees Cell and the world knows.
26:42 What was his compulsion
26:44 to share all these pictures?
26:46 But the same thing is that
26:48 he is not talking about governance.
26:50 In the past, he had a problem with our friend
26:52 who was a member of the government.
26:54 100 days have passed since then.
26:56 The government of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
26:58 is also in front of us.
27:00 So, there is no discussion on governance.
27:02 The debate is still on the same political
27:04 narrative that Imran Khan creates.
27:06 - Mr. Mazhar, Imran Khan
27:08 also expressed his fear
27:10 that the situation is
27:12 unannounced.
27:14 The court said that
27:16 they are looking at you.
27:18 They will complain to you if the situation
27:20 is not good.
27:22 This sense is everywhere
27:24 that the situation is not good.
27:26 The institutions are also flexing themselves.
27:28 By institutions, I mean the Supreme Court
27:30 and the higher judiciary.
27:32 So, there is a sense everywhere
27:34 that the situation is not good.
27:36 - Thank you, Kashif.
27:40 The picture is very interesting
27:42 because it can be used
27:44 in a very simple way.
27:46 You are a reporter
27:48 and you can allow the
27:50 reporters and cameramen
27:52 to enter the cell.
27:54 They will know whether the picture
27:56 is genuine or not.
27:58 Everyone has been to good and bad prisons.
28:00 It is not that the leaders of PMLN
28:02 and PTI have not been to bad prisons.
28:04 Good prisons are also
28:06 A, B, C class.
28:08 These are according to the jail manual.
28:10 And in A class,
28:12 you get a cooler.
28:14 These things happen.
28:16 But those who have been to tough
28:18 jails,
28:20 those who have seen Shaikila,
28:22 those who have been
28:24 beaten up,
28:26 if you call them
28:28 and ask them
28:30 what this cell is,
28:32 they will tell you
28:34 what kind of jails
28:36 they have been to for years,
28:38 how the death cells have been cut,
28:40 how they have been kept,
28:42 you can call the people's party people,
28:44 even PTI people
28:46 who have been
28:48 tortured genuinely
28:50 in the last year and a half.
28:52 I am sure some Muslims
28:54 were also saying that
28:56 the death cell was kept
28:58 in a cell of 6x8 or 4x8.
29:00 The bathroom was inside.
29:02 Recently,
29:04 Fawad Chaudhary
29:06 also said the same thing
29:08 when he was taken to the cell.
29:10 The cell is inside the cell.
29:12 You are right.
29:14 It should be fine.
29:16 But tell me,
29:18 I want to come to the issue of justice.
29:20 The conversation that took place with Imran Khan
29:22 and the tension
29:24 that is in the air,
29:26 what will you say about that?
29:28 That something can be done.
29:30 Look Kashif,
29:32 I have been saying this
29:34 for a long time that
29:36 the government
29:38 is not in the middle.
29:40 The conflict
29:42 that is in the air
29:44 is between the establishment and PTI.
29:46 The judiciary
29:48 has a crucial role.
29:50 In the last few years,
29:52 in the last 10-20 years,
29:54 the judiciary has emerged
29:56 as an important player.
29:58 The moment the judiciary
30:00 is put in a position,
30:02 that player will become powerful.
30:04 Now,
30:06 there are two
30:08 or three ways in our history.
30:10 Either you remove the judges
30:12 and throw them out,
30:14 or you write a PCO,
30:16 or you put a marshallah in the country,
30:18 or you put an emergency in the country.
30:20 So, the role of the judiciary
30:22 at the moment,
30:24 I think it is a role of make and break.
30:26 How does the judiciary
30:28 go down,
30:30 where do the judiciary decisions go?
30:32 Because we should forget that
30:34 the judgments of the judiciary,
30:36 I will look at their merits.
30:38 Their merits are not looked at.
30:40 Now, it is not looked at.
30:42 It is just seen whether the judgment
30:44 has come in my favor or against me.
30:46 If it has come in my favor,
30:48 then the law and the judiciary...
30:50 And there is no better justification than this.
30:52 If it has come against, then these are black sheep.
30:54 This is what the argument then becomes.
30:56 Absolutely right.
30:58 But today,
31:00 he said one more thing.
31:02 He said that if there is a fire,
31:04 then the fire is the fire.
31:06 He said again and again that we should
31:08 discuss among ourselves,
31:10 solve the issues,
31:12 we are looking at you.
31:14 But this is not the way
31:16 to sit with politicians.
31:18 Look, there is no doubt
31:20 that politicians should talk to each other.
31:22 But I will say with great respect
31:24 that the custodians of fundamental rights,
31:26 the custodians of the constitution,
31:28 they do not give advice to politicians.
31:30 I am saying this with great respect.
31:32 You should decide according to them.
31:34 If there can be any protection of anything,
31:36 whether it is people's rights,
31:38 or the constitution, or other issues,
31:40 you should use it in courts.
31:42 But democracy is also everyone's stake, right?
31:44 It is everyone's stake.
31:46 Look, politicians have to do their job.
31:48 That is why I said that it is absolutely right
31:50 that politicians sit together and solve the issues.
31:52 But the legal issues in front of you,
31:54 in front of the court, the court should look at it.
31:56 Give your decision on it.
31:58 If the court has started giving advice,
32:00 then the issues will not be solved in that way.
32:02 The court is doing its job
32:04 and doing its job very well.
32:06 Yesterday, Rana Sinhaullah also said
32:08 that one way is through dialogue
32:10 and the other way is through negotiation.
32:12 Even now, Mushaid was saying
32:14 that the negotiation has already started.
32:16 It has started.
32:18 Look, it has started to a large extent.
32:20 You can see that.
32:22 What is the reason for that?
32:24 What is our biggest issue right now?
32:26 There are two big political parties in Pakistan
32:28 and they have a 60% popularity.
32:30 Despite that, why are you and I
32:32 not having a normal discussion?
32:34 Why are we not talking about the issues
32:36 that are happening during a permanent
32:38 democratic government?
32:40 We are not talking about their governance.
32:42 We are not talking about any other issue.
32:44 And no one is doing it.
32:46 Why are they not doing it?
32:48 Because the main issue is that
32:50 what is happening right now?
32:52 Because it is a man-made question.
32:54 It is not man-made.
32:56 If the government is settled and better,
32:58 then everyone will give their shoulder to the government.
33:00 "Come sir, we are ready."
33:02 That is the order of my eyes.
33:04 Exactly. So the main issue is that
33:06 when you have a real public representative government
33:08 on whose mandate no question will be asked,
33:10 then you will see that people will talk about governance.
33:12 The public will stand up and talk.
33:14 There will be a discussion on social media.
33:16 At this time, the issues are different.
33:18 But if the politics is settled,
33:20 then the camera will turn towards governance
33:22 or the direction of the discussion will come.
33:24 What do you think about the issue of co-operation?
33:26 Is it increasing or is it manageable?
33:28 Kashif, I think it is increasing.
33:30 I do not agree with PTI or Imran Khan.
33:32 Even if you do not accept someone's mandate,
33:34 you still talk to them.
33:36 What is the reason for that?
33:38 Imran Khan thinks that his government
33:40 is not doing its job.
33:42 He thinks that the government is not doing its job.
33:44 He thinks that the government is not doing its job.
33:46 He thinks that the government is not doing its job.
33:48 He thinks that the government is not doing its job.
33:50 He thinks that the government is not doing its job.
33:52 Imran Khan thinks that
33:54 who has brought down his government.
33:56 Imran Khan thinks that he is powerful today.
33:58 So, he should talk to him.
34:00 He wants to talk to the one
34:02 who is being accused.
34:04 This means that
34:06 he is accepting his role in politics.
34:08 he is accepting his role in politics.
34:10 If he talks to the government,
34:12 In 1977, PNA did not accept Bhutto.
34:14 In 1977, PNA did not accept Bhutto.
34:16 They did not accept Bhutto's election.
34:18 They did not accept Bhutto as the Prime Minister.
34:20 They did not accept Bhutto as the Prime Minister.
34:22 But they talked to him.
34:24 They made him ready to come.
34:26 They made him ready to come.
34:28 He was ready to resign.
34:30 He was ready to make new elections.
34:32 He was ready to make a new government.
34:34 He was ready to make a new government.
34:36 He was ready to make a new government.
34:38 He was ready to make a new government.
34:40 He was ready to make a new government.
34:42 He was ready to make a new government.
34:44 He was ready to make a new government.
34:46 He was ready to make a new government.
34:48 He was ready to make a new government.
34:50 In 2013, Imran Khan did not accept PMLN's government.
34:52 In 2013, Imran Khan did not accept PMLN's government.
34:54 In 2013, Imran Khan did not accept PMLN's government.
34:56 But he said, open four rings.
34:58 In 2018, Muslim League Moon and People's Party did not accept.
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38:39 We'll take a break.