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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16As expected, we can see that round two has begun.
00:19The protest has ended and the government seems to be in a state of victory.
00:24Today, we saw that seven new cases have been filed against Imran Khan.
00:28Along with this, almost all the top leaderships have been arrested in various cases.
00:35Bushra Bibi, Barista Ghor, Shoaib Shaheen, Umar Ayub, Sher Afzal Marwat, Faisal Javid, Khalid Khurshid, Aamir Mughal and the list reads on.
00:44This is also going on.
00:45In addition, DPO Attock has given another news in which he has said that we have arrested about 1100 people.
00:54Of those, 89 people were those who had no record, they were trained people.
00:59And a clear reference to Afghanistan is that we have come from a country with which our relations are not good.
01:05So, a very straight charge of terrorism has also come.
01:08Various leaders of the government are saying that there will be no conversation and this is what is visible now.
01:13But along with this, we have seen that there is also confusion in PTI.
01:18There is confusion on the role of Bibi, on the arrival and departure of D-Chowk, on all these things.
01:23Then the deaths, both sides are not telling the truth.
01:28The first figure of 278 was given by Sardar Latif Khosla Sahib.
01:32Then he came in the 30s.
01:34Then the first Sarmanakumar Raja Singh said that 20 people have died.
01:39Then his figure came at 11-12.
01:43Today, Barrister Gauhar himself has said that we have told Imran Khan that there are 12 confirmed deaths.
01:48The government says from there that not a single person has died.
01:52Neither is it true, nor does it seem to be true.
01:55But the biggest injustice in my opinion is that when you say 278 or 300 people,
02:01then when the figure of 12 comes, it seems to be 11, then it seems to be a very small figure.
02:06He was saying 278, what will happen if 11 are killed?
02:10The figure of 12 is also a very big figure.
02:13People of 3 rangers, 2 police officers, 5 of them.
02:17And if the claim of 12 is correct, then we are talking about 17 people who were killed for no reason.
02:24These are very serious charges and they have become very trivialized today.
02:28The death of 12 people when the figures of 278 and 280 are running.
02:33Let's listen to what Gauhar Ayub said when he met Imran Khan.
02:38There was no intention that every leader, be it Sangjani or D-Chawak, should reach D-Chawak at the same time.
02:45No leader was told to come to D-Chawak at the same time with the same procession.
02:51All the leaders were serving each other and were in touch with each other.
03:00Let's listen to what Bushra Bibi said about D-Chawak.
03:04We have to promise that until Khan comes between us, we will not leave D-Chawak.
03:12Khan will not leave D-Chawak without a bullet.
03:17Ali Muhammad Khan is a very senior leader and a very proven loyalist of Ali Muhammad Khan.
03:22Let's listen to his audio leak.
03:28This is Mr. Saif and Mr. Gauhar.
03:30When Mr. Gauhar came back, he briefed the political committee the next morning.
03:34Mr. Khan has given permission that if you want to sit with Sangjani, you can sit with her.
03:39When Mr. Khan himself said on the 25th that you can sit with Sangjani and if you have a position there, you can do it.
03:45Mr. Gauhar also said that Mr. Khan did not know.
03:48When he was told about Bibi, he said that she also came.
03:51He did not know.
03:52There has been a delay to convince him.
03:54When he said that we told you, maybe Bibi did not agree.
03:57Mr. Haseem agreed that we should not go ahead.
03:59There was a direction to go to Sangjani.
04:01It was not allowed to come here.
04:02On the 26th afternoon, Mr. Gauhar told the political committee that Mr. Khan has said about Sangjani.
04:07What happened to Mr. Khan?
04:14Then Mr. Gauhar says that we briefed Mr. Khan and told him that 12 people were martyred.
04:20We told him about the police and the rangers.
04:22He expressed great regret and said that it was wrong.
04:25But when Mr. Khan's statement is released from his Twitter account, whatever he manages,
04:30it is written in it that Mr. Khan has said that 25 people were martyred on the first of May.
04:38This time too, the protesters were shot and killed and dozens of citizens were martyred.
04:45He is talking about dozens of citizens in two places.
04:49Now the party chairman is saying that we have informed 12 people.
04:53Now dozens of citizens are coming in the statement.
04:55I don't know if Mr. Khan has said that the people who are managing his Twitter account are doing it.
05:00This is also a confusion.
05:03And then there is another sentence.
05:05Mr. Khan has said that prepare for the next phase of the struggle for real freedom.
05:11Is there another protest next time?
05:14Because today in Kashif's program, Mr. Salman said that we are not thinking of a street movement.
05:21There is no time yet.
05:23There is a lot of confusion.
05:25Where is the PTI now?
05:27What is the reality?
05:28How many people were martyred?
05:29How many were not martyred?
05:30The government does not tell the whole truth.
05:32They are also confused.
05:33Let's ask.
05:34In the first part of the program, we will talk to Sheikh Waqas Akram, the secretary of information of PTI.
05:38And in the second part, we will ask Mr. Amrana Sinhaullah.
05:40I would like to ask him a big question.
05:43Negotiations are only possible when one party is in a position of strength.
05:47So will this government only go around saying that we have blown up the PTI protest?
05:53That there will be negotiations now.
05:55But the things that are happening now, cases are being filed, arrests are going on.
05:59It does not seem so.
06:00Anyway, Sheikh Waqas is with us.
06:02Assalamu Alaikum Sheikh Sahib.
06:03Yes, Walaikum Assalam.
06:05Sheikh Sahib, tell me why there is so much confusion and numbers?
06:09Two hundred and seventy-eight years ago, Mr. Khosla said it.
06:12Then there was talk of thirty-three.
06:14Then Mr. Marwat was in my program.
06:17He said, no, no, we were taking information from social media in the beginning.
06:21Today, 12 people, Mr. Gauhar has officially announced that 12 people have been martyred in this movement.
06:28But when Mr. Khan's statement was released a while ago in the evening,
06:32he is talking about martyring dozens of citizens.
06:36How many people do you claim have been killed?
06:40And why is there so much confusion?
06:42If Mr. Gauhar has met and pressurized, then why is Mr. Khan's statement again about dozens?
06:47There is absolute confusion.
06:50Sir, the first thing is that three days ago, I did a press conference and shared all these numbers with people.
06:59And at that time, the number of martyrs was twelve.
07:04Five days ago, four days ago, when this whole thing happened, the number was eight.
07:11In that, Shafiq Lund and another four-year-old boy participated.
07:18And as soon as we got the information, we did a press conference.
07:22In that, we said that twelve confirmed martyrs are with the Qawaif.
07:27The things you are talking about, that one of our friends said 100, someone said 200.
07:31Mr. Khosla said 278 in a TV program.
07:34He said 267, I heard. I am coming to you in the same way, sir.
07:39It is like this that the time this incident happened and the way indiscriminate firing took place,
07:45the reports were coming from right, left and center.
07:50It was coming from social media.
07:52Even your journalists, who were in contact with us on many channels, were telling us.
07:57Some independent sources, different kinds of news were coming.
08:01And because there was so much firing and the number of injured was so high,
08:06that people started giving the number of martyrs from many places to themselves,
08:13started telling the death toll.
08:15But the party, obviously, after the verification of all the Qawaif,
08:20the bodies that were handed over to the army and their funerals took place in their areas.
08:27So far, the verified number of deaths is 12.
08:32Hundreds of our people are missing.
08:35And to save their family's right...
08:37On whom will you get the list cut?
08:39Obviously, you will get the list cut.
08:43Will you get it done on the Prime Minister?
08:45Will you get it done on the military leadership?
08:47On whom will you do it?
08:48Look, these two F.I.Rs are made.
08:50F.I.R is made on the Prime Minister.
08:52F.I.R is made on the Interior Minister.
08:55F.I.R is made on the Minister of Information.
08:57F.I.R is made on all of these.
08:58He is the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
09:00And this whole matter,
09:02before this massacre, the leaders were the Interior Minister and the Information Minister.
09:08They kept warning you that there will be a five-minute firing and no one will be seen.
09:12Then the firing happened.
09:13When the number 26 reached Chungi,
09:15after hours of standing at B-Chowk,
09:19there were press conferences, right, left,
09:21with the government officials.
09:23What were those press conferences?
09:25They were just threats.
09:27That we will do this to you.
09:29We will do it harshly with you.
09:31Sheikh Sahib, you have told us that there will be F.I.Rs.
09:36Now what is this Bushra-Bibi issue?
09:39Half of the people are saying that they had no connection.
09:42Khan Sahib did not even know that she was coming.
09:44Then B-Chowk was her decision.
09:47Ali Khan says that this was not a decision to go to B-Chowk.
09:51Your chairman is also saying that.
09:53So did Bushra-Bibi overrule everyone?
09:56And everyone listened to her.
09:58And should they have listened?
10:00I think that this is not the case that Bushra-Bibi overruled everyone.
10:06What is being said about Imran Khan's ignorance,
10:12what Maj. Saif and Mr. Gauhar said 4-5 days ago,
10:16I think that when you mentally prepare people for Islamabad and B-Chowk,
10:24and especially the people of such a province,
10:28who are very emotional about Khan Sahib's love,
10:31and then you take them to Islamabad,
10:33if you try to change the venue or location at that time,
10:37then the issue cannot be in your control.
10:39If there has been any communication of this kind,
10:43then I think that maybe at that time,
10:45because of a gap in communication,
10:48they went on to the original plan.
10:50And the original plan was the same that was told to them in the speeches
10:55that you have to go to B-Chowk.
10:57This is what has happened.
10:59So this was not the decision of B-Chowk.
11:02Why was B-Chowk mentioned in the speeches?
11:05If Khan Sahib had only asked to go to Islamabad,
11:08then where did B-Chowk come from in the speeches?
11:10Sir, it was such that some people who used to come to meet Khan Sahib,
11:14they used to say Islamabad, only Islamabad.
11:17Then some people in their speeches,
11:19there are 3-4 caters, they started saying B-Chowk, B-Chowk.
11:23Now people understood Islamabad and B-Chowk as the same destination,
11:28and made up their minds.
11:30If this communication had been done properly at that time,
11:34then maybe these matters would have stopped at Sanjani.
11:37But anyway, if someone says that this killing happened because
11:41they were going from D-Chowk to the Red Zone,
11:44then this is a stupid and nonsense thing.
11:46Because on 24th, the caravan of South KP was coming from the route of C-Pack.
11:51While removing the obstacle of Dawood Khel and Mia Khel,
11:54the first protester was shot there by the police.
12:00And that was on 24th.
12:02Sheikh sahib, tell us.
12:03To say that because they were going this way,
12:05they were fired at, that's wrong.
12:07Khan Sahib also says that if it was Sanjani or D-Chowk,
12:10this is what was their plan.
12:12You are very close to Gandapur Sahib.
12:14In my show, I have used the words of Busha Bibi's sister,
12:17Maryam Batoo,
12:20She said that she has been kept in solitary confinement.
12:23I have not been able to talk to her for 24 hours.
12:25She came later.
12:27Are there any differences between Busha Bibi and Ameen Gandapur Sahib?
12:32No sir, there are no differences at all.
12:35Ameen Gandapur Sahib has spent his life
12:38at the cost of criticism by his own party workers.
12:42I am asking because today,
12:45Mashal Yusufzai Sahiba,
12:47who was the special assistant to the CM of KP,
12:50has been removed.
12:52And she is also a spokesperson for Busha Bibi.
12:54Now either she was removed by Busha Bibi's consent,
12:57or she was removed two days ago.
12:59She is still a spokesperson.
13:01As far as I know,
13:03she was a special assistant in the KP government.
13:06She was removed two days ago.
13:09Because being a translator,
13:11this is also a full-time job.
13:13And this is an internal matter of the KP government.
13:16I think they understand that
13:18maybe they will not be able to
13:20get attention from her.
13:22There is a little time left.
13:24A quick question.
13:26Busha Bibi released a video message
13:28in which she said that she is telling the institutions
13:30that there will be no vengeance.
13:32And Khan Sahib has said that
13:34there should be no mistrust in this.
13:36The statement that Khan Sahib has released today,
13:38he has repeated the history of the
13:40Aliawala Bagh.
13:42Then Khan Sahib has again
13:44mixed the spices so wrongly.
13:46Yesterday it was a statement
13:48before the 24th.
13:50Now we have 12 dead bodies
13:52of the martyrs on our shoulders.
13:54And many are severely injured.
13:56May Allah not take anyone's life.
13:58May Allah not do it.
14:00This is our prayer.
14:02But there are many who are
14:04in very bad condition.
14:06I have run out of time.
14:08I have run out of time.
14:10Very quickly.
14:12Are you still interested in
14:14talking to the government and institutions?
14:16At this time,
14:18there is no such thing.
14:20We cannot talk to 12 corpses
14:22and 12 martyrs.
14:24It is the emotions of the people.
14:26Time will tell what will happen.
14:28Meetings with Khan Sahib have begun.
14:30He will give some kind of roadmap.
14:32Meetings have begun today.
14:34Ali Ameen will meet.
14:36After that, we will meet our other friends.
14:38We will do things under Khan Sahib's guidance.
14:40Sheikh Waqar Sahib, thank you very much.
14:42Viewers, let's take a break.
14:44After that, as I said earlier,
14:46there are some answers.
14:48What is the government thinking?
14:50We will talk to Mr. Rana Sanaw Allah.
14:58Welcome back to the show.
15:00In this segment, we will talk to Mr. Rana Sanaw Allah,
15:02who is the Advisor to the Prime Minister
15:04for Public Affairs and Inter-Provincial Coordination.
15:06Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Rana.
15:08Waalaikum-Salam.
15:10Mr. Rana,
15:12it happens in politics,
15:14and you are an expert in politics,
15:16that when a party
15:18comes into a strong position,
15:20then it talks to its opponents.
15:22Now,
15:24your government thinks
15:26that it has won by ending the
15:28Islamabad uprising.
15:30The Supreme Court is also in control.
15:32Now,
15:34the Islamic State is also with you.
15:36You have also broken up the protest.
15:38There are a lot of cases.
15:40Imran Khan is also with you.
15:42Cases have been filed today.
15:44And when you talk to your people,
15:46they say that we have ended the PTI.
15:48So, wasn't this the best
15:50opportunity to talk?
15:52Your people say that they will not talk.
15:56Look, Mr. Malik,
15:58the first thing is that
16:00political parties
16:02never end like this.
16:04If political parties
16:06could end like this,
16:08then there would have been
16:10no People's Party.
16:12The Muslim League would not
16:14have been found anywhere.
16:16So, political parties
16:18do not end like this.
16:20The rest is that
16:22when there are incidents,
16:24the consequences of those incidents
16:26have to be taken into account.
16:28There is a lot of debate
16:30and statements.
16:32But,
16:34as a political worker,
16:36as a political party,
16:38PMLN was weak.
16:40By weak, I mean that
16:42when it was in opposition,
16:44when cases were being filed against us,
16:46when we were being shown
16:48the path of the Jinn,
16:50even then, PMLN was
16:52fundamentally in favour
16:54that we should sit down
16:56and have political dialogue
16:58with the communities.
17:00And on the floor of the House,
17:02in the presence of
17:04Prime Minister Imran Khan,
17:06the then opposition leader
17:08Mian Shahbaz Shiv said
17:10that, Mr. Khan, you have become
17:12the Prime Minister.
17:14We have an objection.
17:16We have been wronged.
17:18But, we are ready to sit with you
17:20for the sake of this country
17:22and its economy.
17:24Even then,
17:26he refused.
17:28Even now,
17:30I think,
17:32it was last month,
17:34that the Prime Minister
17:36said on the floor of the House
17:38that the solution to the problem
17:40is political dialogue.
17:42Let's sit down and talk.
17:44But, Mr. Tarar and Mr. Irfan Siddiqui
17:46are saying that
17:48there is no other
17:50political solution
17:52other than political parties
17:54and political leadership
17:56should sit down and
17:58talk about these issues.
18:00I am not talking about one issue.
18:02There is no condition
18:04that we should talk about this
18:06or that.
18:08As long as the political leadership
18:10does not sit down,
18:12these issues cannot be resolved.
18:14Now, you have the initiative.
18:16If you talk about it,
18:18it will move forward.
18:20Look,
18:22it does not matter
18:24if we say it publicly.
18:26They will talk about
18:28their issues
18:30and we will talk about ours.
18:32But,
18:34through the contacts
18:36that we have,
18:38we have always tried
18:40that the political
18:42parties and
18:44political leadership
18:46should sit down
18:48and talk about
18:50these issues.
18:52When Mr. Nawaz Sharif
18:54came back on 21st October
18:562023,
18:58he did not
19:00challenge his opponents.
19:02He said that everyone
19:04should sit down
19:06and talk about these issues.
19:08You said a very good thing
19:10that Mr. Nawaz Sharif did not challenge.
19:12Let's listen to a statement
19:14of Busha Bibi,
19:16who addressed the leaders
19:18and said that we have no intention
19:20of taking revenge.
19:46Today, in front of the people,
19:48I want to make it clear that
19:50these are all lies.
19:52Khan has always said that
19:54I have never thought of taking revenge
19:56and I will never take revenge.
19:58Because Allah does not like to take revenge
20:00and neither should a person
20:02come to power and take revenge.
20:04Now, Mr. Rehna,
20:06everyone thought that
20:08Khan and the institutions have a lot of mistrust.
20:10Now, his wife has said
20:12that we should end
20:14this mistrust.
20:16The people who come with messages
20:18may not be able to convey the message.
20:20So, if he addressed the institutions
20:22and said that we have no intention
20:24of taking revenge, then you are political people.
20:26So, why didn't you
20:28come forward?
20:30Are the institutions still not allowing you to speak?
20:32Or don't you want to speak?
20:36Look, Mr. Malik,
20:38the thing is that
20:40they are addressing the institutions
20:42and the institutions can answer
20:44if someone wants to.
20:48But they have never addressed us.
20:50In fact,
20:52even now,
20:54their final statement is that
20:56I do not want to speak to them.
21:00So, when they behave like this,
21:02then we have also stopped saying
21:04that we want to speak.
21:06Then a little
21:08weakness
21:10comes out.
21:12But as far as revenge is concerned,
21:14look,
21:16the treatment
21:18we were given
21:20when we were in jail,
21:22even Mr. Khan knows that
21:24he himself used to say
21:26that there should be
21:28no special treatment.
21:30Everyone should be treated equally.
21:32AC should be removed.
21:34Fan should be removed.
21:36Medicines should not be given.
21:38Despite this,
21:40Mr. Khan
21:42was given
21:44all the facilities
21:46given by the court
21:48in jail or otherwise.
21:50It was published in the newspaper.
21:52Show us a statement
21:54that we have ever objected.
21:56Have you ever objected
21:58that why is this?
22:00No, they are saying that
22:02my electricity was also switched off for 4-5 days.
22:04Then the meetings were also closed for 15 days.
22:06They did not even let me go out
22:08in the day.
22:10It happened on both sides.
22:14We are not at all
22:16in favor of this.
22:20We only have
22:22this information that
22:24all the facilities
22:26that have been given
22:28to them by the court
22:30are being given.
22:32In fact, there was some news in the last few days.
22:34Even yesterday,
22:36the jail officials
22:38explained that
22:40this is absolutely wrong.
22:42Some things
22:44are such that
22:46you can say
22:48and do things.
22:50For example, when the protest started,
22:52they presented three conditions.
22:54The first was that
22:56the government can give a gesture
22:58that the people who are in jail
23:00are very much in jail.
23:02At least let the women
23:04go home.
23:06Yasmeen Rashid Sahiba is 75 years old
23:08and has cancer.
23:10If you let such people
23:12go home from jail,
23:14where will they go?
23:16They cannot run away.
23:18But there is a goodwill gesture
23:20that you are also willing to talk.
23:26They also presented other conditions.
23:28Those conditions were three
23:30and not one.
23:32The simple translation
23:34of those three conditions
23:36was that
23:38the Prime Minister should
23:40make me sit there
23:42and you should come and sit
23:44wherever I sit.
23:46No, no.
23:48It is not a big deal
23:50for the women.
23:52You can do this.
23:54You can do this even today.
23:56You can't get them out
23:58of jail.
24:00The people who are
24:02in jail in different cases,
24:04even if the cabinet
24:06had approved it,
24:08would you still send Mr. Nawaz Sharif
24:10out through executive order?
24:12No, no. If you don't oppose the bails,
24:14the bails will be done.
24:16Executive order is to tell people,
24:18educated generals, attorney generals,
24:20not to oppose and let the bails be done.
24:22This is not such a big issue.
24:24Absolutely.
24:26It is a judicial process.
24:28Prosecution is fine.
24:30But in your personal opinion,
24:32should the bails of women
24:34be done
24:36so that they can
24:38go back to their homes?
24:40It has been more than a year.
24:42In your personal opinion,
24:44should the bails of women
24:46be done
24:48so that they can
24:50go back to their homes?
24:52It has been more than a year.
24:54Look,
24:56my personal opinion is that
24:58the cases of 9th May
25:00should have been decided
25:02within three months.
25:04Those who are guilty,
25:06they get punished.
25:08It is possible that it would have been done by now.
25:10And those who are innocent,
25:12they go back to their homes.
25:14It has been more than a year
25:16and a half
25:18that people are being dragged
25:20into cases and
25:22no decision is made.
25:24This is a big weakness
25:26of our judicial system.
25:28It is very unfair.
25:30Mr. Talha, you just said
25:32that when Bushra Bibi
25:34spoke, the institution should answer.
25:36According to the constitution,
25:38the institutions are under you.
25:40You can ask
25:42whether they are under you
25:44or you are under the institutions.
25:48You know this
25:50and I also know this.
25:52If there is no
25:54allegation,
25:56then what is the point
25:58of explaining it?
26:02You know this
26:04and I also know this.
26:06Okay,
26:08Imran Khan is your opponent.
26:10I remember whenever you
26:12talk to us,
26:14you always say
26:16that Mr. Malhana is very smart
26:18and intelligent.
26:20But when he gave
26:22his speech on 29th,
26:24I want to hear a part of it.
26:26Tell me,
26:28is he still talking about
26:30being smart and intelligent?
26:32There is a question related to this.
26:34I want to say to the journalists
26:36that if you think
26:38that you can make Pakistan
26:40a beautiful country,
26:42I want to say
26:44to the establishment of Pakistan,
26:46I want to say
26:48to this arrogant bureaucracy,
26:50I want to say
26:52to these loyalists
26:54and politicians
26:56that you cannot
26:58make Pakistan happy.
27:00Get out of the way.
27:02Admit your mistakes.
27:04You are misusing
27:06the power of the institutions.
27:08As a result of misjudgment,
27:10today in Pakistan,
27:12these steps are being taken.
27:14Blood is flowing.
27:16Rights are being seized.
27:18The means of the people
27:20are being seized.
27:22Pakistan is being
27:24pushed towards anarchy.
27:26There is an agenda
27:28for every assembly
27:30that we will
27:32bring about
27:34legislation,
27:36reforms,
27:38and changes.
27:40The rulers
27:42and the powerful
27:44forces behind them
27:46have decided
27:48to ruin the constitution.
27:50When it came to reforms,
27:52they told me
27:54that they have passed it today.
27:56I told them to make a deal first.
27:58On the third day,
28:00at around 2.30 pm,
28:02we received a black envelope.
28:04When we read it,
28:06it was not a constitutional amendment.
28:08It was a black mark.
28:10They had ruined
28:12the constitution.
28:14What happened in Islamabad
28:16the day before yesterday,
28:18caravans were coming
28:20from a province.
28:22At that time,
28:24you were blocking the way
28:26We did not want to shoot.
28:28When they reached D-Chowk,
28:30why did they shoot?
28:32You have
28:34disrespected
28:36the rulers.
28:38You have been unjust
28:40to the Islamic scholars.
28:42You have stolen the main date
28:44of the Islamic scholars.
28:48Mr. Rana,
28:50this is a terrifying
28:52charge sheet.
28:54What will happen
28:56if these people
28:58are also on the streets?
29:02What Maulana has said
29:04is full of contradiction.
29:06He has accused PTI
29:08of stealing the mandate.
29:12His mandate
29:14was in KPK.
29:16No one else got it.
29:18PTI has taken it.
29:20Was it stolen and given to PTI?
29:24As far as the
29:26country's situation is concerned,
29:28there is no doubt
29:30that the situation
29:32of the country
29:34is due to KPK
29:36and Balochistan.
29:38The situation of the country
29:40is a cause of worry
29:42and concern.
29:44You are aware
29:46that there are protests
29:48and the situation
29:50is not better.
29:54What is the solution?
29:56Maulana should
29:58present the solution.
30:00We should sit with Maulana
30:02and make him understand
30:04the situation.
30:06Maulana is a
30:08practical
30:10leader
30:12and a politician
30:14who takes
30:16matters forward.
30:18He should tell us
30:20how the situation
30:22can be improved.
30:24We are ready to
30:26sit with him.
30:28PTI or Imran Khan
30:30are not ready to
30:32sit with anyone.
30:34You are misusing
30:36the power of the institutions.
30:38You have ruined the constitution.
30:40This is very specific.
30:42Don't you have any contact
30:44with Maulana?
30:46Do you think
30:48Maulana can give any
30:50solution?
30:52He did not say that.
30:54What he said
30:56was that
30:58the amendment
31:00that was being
31:02done earlier
31:04would have ruined
31:06the constitution.
31:08The amendment
31:10was made by Maulana
31:12and he voted for it.
31:14How can the constitution
31:16be ruined now?
31:18The constitution
31:20was amended
31:22when Maulana
31:24agreed to it.
31:26He is saying that
31:28the constitution
31:30was a snake
31:32and it was not right.
31:34This shows
31:36that we have
31:38listened to Maulana.
31:40Whatever Maulana said
31:42was not right.
31:44Let's take a break.
31:46Maulana Sir asks
31:48if we can keep Imran Khan in jail
31:50forever. I don't think so.
31:52How will things
31:54get worse
31:56after this break?
32:04Welcome back to the show.
32:06You always talk very bluntly
32:08so I enjoy
32:10talking to you.
32:12Tell me,
32:14you can't keep Imran Khan in jail forever.
32:16Neither can you
32:18sit in government offices
32:20for 5-10 years
32:22or even 50 years.
32:24How will things
32:26get worse?
32:28What should happen now?
32:30You say that Imran Khan
32:32doesn't want to talk to you.
32:34But after 4-5 months
32:36there will be a protest and the country will stop.
32:38What is the way
32:40to move forward?
32:42You can't keep Imran Khan in jail forever.
32:44The way to move forward
32:46is not a matter of
32:48life and death.
32:50The way to move forward is
32:52that in 2018
32:54there was an election.
32:56Imran Khan
32:58got the majority.
33:00We said
33:02that we have been treated unfairly.
33:04We increased the RTS
33:06and gave him 40-45 seats
33:08and got his government built.
33:10But we didn't
33:12boycott. We stayed with the system.
33:14We came to the assembly
33:16and said
33:18that we should make a judicial commission.
33:20They said that
33:22there is no use of a judicial commission.
33:24Let's make a parliamentary commission.
33:26Parliamentary commission was made.
33:28Even though they didn't hold a second meeting.
33:30Even though they filed cases against us.
33:32But we stayed with the system.
33:34And finally
33:36there was a vote of no confidence against them.
33:38Five years later,
33:40according to the constitution,
33:42there was an election.
33:44But there is a difference.
33:46Mr. Rana is in London.
33:48Imran Khan is in jail.
33:50If he was outside,
33:52the atmosphere would have been different.
33:54Mr. Rana was not in jail.
33:56You are saying that he will be in jail for the next four years.
33:58And he will be a part of the party system.
34:00No.
34:02He should get his bail done.
34:04If he
34:06wants to
34:08speak,
34:10he should speak.
34:12We always say that
34:14if you want to resolve
34:16a political issue,
34:18you should...
34:22No.
34:24The thing is that
34:26even then and even today,
34:28we did not
34:30refuse political dialogue.
34:32They always refuse.
34:34After that,
34:36the government has been formed.
34:38The system is
34:40going on.
34:42They are present.
34:44They took part in the election of the Prime Minister.
34:46They took part in the election of the President.
34:48They took part in the election of the Speaker.
34:50They took part in the election of the government.
34:52They formed a government in one province.
34:54According to the constitution,
34:56the result of the election
34:58will be decided later.
35:00Mr. Rana, the early election...
35:02There is no need to wait for 15 years.
35:04Can we talk about the early election
35:06between the two parties?
35:08Can we wait for 1-2 years
35:10or 1-1.5 years?
35:12Can we make such a formula?
35:16Mr. Malik, I think
35:18whenever
35:20political
35:22leadership,
35:24politicians,
35:26sit at the table,
35:28the issues are resolved.
35:30At that time,
35:32Imran Khan was sitting in the sky.
35:34He was not ready
35:36to listen to anything.
35:38The discussion started.
35:40He appointed three people.
35:42Three people were appointed by us.
35:44The discussion started.
35:46They said that the election should be held in May.
35:48We said that it should be held in October.
35:50The dispute was going on.
35:52At that time,
35:54the issue of August was resolved.
35:56Two months ago,
35:58we said that
36:00there is no question.
36:02The election cannot be held before October.
36:04They also said that
36:06instead of May,
36:08they should come two months ahead.
36:10Their people agreed.
36:12They said that
36:14this is absolutely right.
36:16You give us permission.
36:18We will consult with Mr. Khan
36:20and
36:22we are ready to
36:24make a written agreement.
36:26The issue has been resolved.
36:28After that,
36:30they left.
36:32Mr. Khan said that
36:34there is no one like you.
36:36Let's go.
36:38You are saying that
36:40if Mr. Khan has a direct
36:42negotiation with you,
36:44then anything is possible.
36:46It is possible that
36:48there will be an early election.
36:50Everything is possible.
36:52But Mr. Khan will have to
36:54I have always
36:56seen that
36:58when politicians
37:00sit at the table,
37:02no matter how difficult
37:04the situation is,
37:06they find a solution.
37:08Mr. Rana, thank you very much for giving us time.
37:10We heard
37:12what Mr. Rana said.
37:14If you sit down,
37:16anything can happen.
37:18I think that
37:20political parties should sit down.
37:22Both of them should
37:24move forward calmly.
37:26Otherwise, the situation of the country is very bad.
37:28Terrorism has spiked a lot.
37:30I am just giving you a fake figure.
37:32In the last 11 months,
37:34only in terrorism-related activities,
37:361082 people have been killed.
37:38Only in November,
37:40245 people died.
37:42There is law enforcement,
37:44civilians,
37:46everyone.
37:48Only in November,
37:50only in November,
37:52only in November,
37:54only in November,
37:56only in November,
37:58only in November,
38:00only in November,
38:02only in November,
38:04only in November,
38:06only in November,
38:08only in November,
38:10only in November,
38:12only in November,
38:14only in November,
38:16only in November,
38:18only in November,
38:20only in November,
38:22only in November,
38:24only in November,
38:26only in November,
38:28only in November,
38:30only in November,
38:32only in November,
38:34only in November,
38:36only in November,
38:38only in November,
38:40only in November,
38:42only in November,
38:44only in November,