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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Balik.
00:04You have heard the big news today.
00:06The tenures of all the Service Chiefs have been extended to 5 years.
00:11General Asim Ali, who is the present Army Chief, will retire in 2028.
00:15If it is 5 years.
00:17Interestingly, the shift that has happened now,
00:20there is no reduction after 5 years.
00:23There can be an extension even after that.
00:26I am clarifying this because I was listening to Mr. Sanalo in a program
00:30that we have reduced the term.
00:32Earlier it was 3 years, after the extension it becomes 6 years.
00:35Actually, here it is 5 years.
00:37But if there is an extension, it will become 10 years.
00:40But that is an entirely different story.
00:42That also happened.
00:43Then we saw that the second Terrorism Act also came out.
00:48That anyone can be arrested for 90 days,
00:51whether it is the Army, Law Enforcement Agencies, Police.
00:54Whether it is a Terrorism related activity.
00:56Whether it is reported.
00:58A person can be arrested for 90 days.
01:01No one is going to question him.
01:03No one is going to question him.
01:05Journalists can also come to the target.
01:07For example, if I have spoken to someone on the telephone,
01:10and tomorrow it happens that his brother, uncle, relative,
01:13someone was a terrorist or someone was involved,
01:16then I can also be arrested.
01:18So this sword is now hanging on the head of the head.
01:22You can pick it up and keep it anywhere.
01:25These are two things.
01:26You have seen the number of judges.
01:28Now it has been reduced to 34.
01:30This is the maximum limit.
01:32It is not necessary that 17 judges will be added suddenly.
01:37And the question arises in that too.
01:39How many pieces will be made?
01:42Will spices be added as required?
01:45For example, people say that if the government has a problem tomorrow,
01:50they can add 4 or 5.
01:52So they can play with the numbers.
01:54All these things are there.
01:56We will also talk about this.
01:58Today, there has been such a big development out of the blue.
02:01The opposition says that they did not even let us breathe.
02:04We were trapped in the matter of judges.
02:06They did all the extensions.
02:08But before that, I want to say two things.
02:11In this section of the program, we will talk.
02:13Mr. Sardar Lateef Khosla is with us.
02:15He is the senior lawyer of MNAPTI.
02:17Former Governor of Punjab of the Supreme Court.
02:19Mr. Aqeel Malik is with us.
02:21He is an advisor to the Ministry of Law and Justice and MNA.
02:23He has a relationship with PMLN.
02:25But I want to touch on two issues first.
02:27You must have seen the picture of Khadija Shah Sahiba.
02:30She had a meeting with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
02:33She has also been made a member of a sub-committee on jail reform.
02:39This is a very strange thing.
02:41Because technically, she has a case on her.
02:44She was an under-trial prisoner.
02:46She has now been bailed out.
02:48There is a case in the Supreme Court.
02:50She was presented yesterday.
02:52On one hand, we are told that there are no worse people than her in the 9th of May cases.
02:57Then, why was she made a prisoner in a meeting with the Chief Justice of Pakistan?
03:03And how was she made a member of a sub-committee on jail reform?
03:07It would be better if we get an answer to this.
03:09Because I did not think that a Chief Justice like Justice Faiz Issa,
03:12who takes care of all the rules and regulations,
03:16would do such a thing.
03:18Maybe there is a wisdom.
03:19We will try to find that as well.
03:21And there was a very shameful incident.
03:23It was the case of Intizaar Panjota.
03:26He was one of the senior-most lawyers of Imran Khan.
03:30Do you remember?
03:31He went missing on the night of 8th and 9th of October.
03:34We did not know where he was.
03:36Someone said that he was abducted.
03:38Someone said something else.
03:40Then, the Attorney General of Pakistan appears in the High Court.
03:43He says that he will give you good news in 48 hours.
03:46Then, the 24-hour deadline comes.
03:48And after 24 hours, miraculously, he is found.
03:52The abductors are taken away.
03:56The police is stopped at the intersection.
03:58There is firing.
03:59There is no injury.
04:00Neither the abductor, nor him, nor Mr. Panjota present in the middle.
04:04And they are shown a scene, which you are seeing on the screen.
04:08And I would like to show you that picture first,
04:10which we are used to seeing.
04:12Nicely turned out man.
04:13Smart man.
04:14He is talking.
04:15This series of humiliation that has started in this country,
04:18I think it is a very shameful thing.
04:20And the story of Mr. Gandapur,
04:23that I went, I crossed 12 districts,
04:25and then I reached Peshawar while crossing the river in such pain,
04:29that was also an unbelievable story.
04:31This is also an unbelievable story.
04:33We see raw dacoits.
04:35They rob.
04:37They also do TikTok.
04:39They also make photos and videos.
04:41And this northern dacoit or this abductor,
04:43I don't know who they are,
04:45who will tell the big court,
04:46according to the date,
04:47they also bring a person,
04:48they also move,
04:49they also make him a Brahmin,
04:50and they leave.
04:51This is such a crop of hatred that is being sown,
04:53which will have to be cut one day.
04:55And we hope,
04:56that don't do this.
04:58Whatever you are doing,
04:59God forbid, don't do this.
05:00There are other ways to do power games.
05:02Anyway,
05:03let's talk about today's issue first.
05:06Mr. Khossa,
05:07let's start with you,
05:08because you people have raised a lot of objections.
05:10Obviously,
05:11there was a lot of noise today
05:12in the National Assembly.
05:13There was a lot of noise everywhere.
05:15But tell me one thing,
05:16all of your people were there.
05:18And I was listening to the statement later,
05:20while talking to the media.
05:22They said,
05:23look,
05:24they did it for five years.
05:25Now,
05:26they have made 28 appointments
05:27for themselves,
05:28for their benefit.
05:29And,
05:30after this,
05:31extensions can also be made.
05:33Why didn't you people
05:34at least move an amendment once?
05:37Otherwise,
05:38no one would have listened.
05:39We know,
05:40no one would have listened.
05:41But,
05:42standing up,
05:43you people talk,
05:44that,
05:45well,
05:46there should be some
05:47compensation for this.
05:48You people also make noise.
05:49And then,
05:50you make names
05:51in the martyrs.
05:52I was listening to
05:53Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman's statement.
05:54In fact,
05:55let's listen to
05:56what he said.
05:59To give this
06:00terrible authority
06:01to the defence industry,
06:02on the basis of doubt,
06:03can keep anyone
06:04in their house
06:05for 90 days
06:06and can increase
06:07the duration
06:08of the transfer
06:09further.
06:10This will be
06:11akin to
06:12establishing
06:13a civil martial law
06:14in the country.
06:15To increase
06:16the duration
06:17of the army chief's
06:18service,
06:19personally,
06:20I am not in favor of this.
06:21To give extensions,
06:22these are administrative
06:23matters.
06:24But,
06:25the fundamental thing
06:26is to increase
06:27this much
06:28in your authority
06:29and to pressurize
06:30the government
06:31to pass this law
06:32to the extent
06:33that it can be seen
06:34that the country
06:35is being
06:36controlled by the
06:37government.
07:05This is
07:06a
07:07matter
07:08to be
07:09done.
07:10This is
07:11a matter
07:12to be
07:13said.
07:14Everyone
07:15knows that
07:16for the past
07:17three years,
07:18only one party
07:19is being
07:20targeted.
07:21There is
07:22only one
07:23mission,
07:24that is
07:25how to
07:26separate
07:27Imran Khan
07:28from the
07:29politics.
07:30There is
07:31only one
07:32objective
07:33of all
07:34this.
07:35There
07:36is only
07:37one
07:38script
07:39that
07:40how to
07:41make
07:42this
07:43garrison
07:44state.
07:45And,
07:46this
07:47civilian
07:48martial
07:49law,
07:50this
07:51is
07:52constitutional
07:53martial
07:54law.
07:55That's
07:56why,
07:57sir,
07:58tell me
07:59that
08:00everything
08:01is being
08:02scripted
08:03by
08:04the
08:05people.
08:06This
08:07is
08:08a
08:09matter
08:10to
08:11be
08:12said.
08:13This
08:14is
08:15a
08:16matter
08:17to
08:18be
08:19said.
08:20This
08:21is
08:22a
08:23matter
08:24to
08:25be
08:26said.
08:27This
08:28is
08:29a
08:30matter
08:31to
08:32be
08:33said.
09:02This is the decision of our CEC, Central Executive Committee, Bilawal cannot amend this.
09:11So then he went and said, ok then we will tell them, then they themselves will talk to you.
09:19And the night of his waqfah passes, and in the morning our same Naveed Qamar Sahib gets up and says,
09:26we accept this amendment in the best interest of the nation.
09:31And we take back all our rights.
09:33So then in the best interest of the nation, you cannot do it?
09:35If you could do it, then why can't you?
09:37Look, if you want to destroy an institution, then extend it.
09:43Any institution. I say that no institution should be extended.
09:48One is that disappointment spreads.
09:50One is that the entire service structure becomes hollow.
09:53Look, there is never an institution on a single person.
09:56When you do it on a single person, then you weaken the institution.
10:02Let's ask Barrister Aqeel Sahib.
10:05Sardar Sahib, Barrister Aqeel Sahib is also there, right?
10:07Why 5 years?
10:09No, no, definitely ask him.
10:11He has to say what is in the government script.
10:14Let's go. Sardar Sahib has to listen to the government script.
10:18Look, for God's sake, don't destroy the country.
10:22They are taking the country towards destruction.
10:25Malik, you have already expressed the right concern.
10:28At this time, no one is feeling safe.
10:32Look, you talked about terrorism.
10:35Terrorism is being imposed on me and you.
10:39I have also been bailed out today.
10:42The case of terrorism is also being made on me.
10:45I have been bailed out on lawyers, journalists, intellectuals.
10:49Let's get the government script also.
10:52We will also get to know that.
10:54Aqeel, please tell us.
10:56Why 5 years?
10:58Thank you very much.
10:59First of all, this is not just about the government script.
11:02I have a mind of my own.
11:04Of course, I also analyze things.
11:07Of course, you should look at things rationally.
11:09It is not that someone gave you a written paper and you kept it.
11:14When he was in power for 5 years,
11:17you just mentioned that he had given an extension of 3 years.
11:22At that time, he used to say that the army chief is the father of the nation.
11:25And so on and so forth.
11:26So, where was he standing today?
11:28And today, I will tell you very carefully.
11:31A very detailed incident has been filed by the PTI.
11:35As soon as they knew that the services chief,
11:38and across the board, this is not just about the army chief.
11:41The government is going to regulate and streamline all the services of the chief.
11:47Please tell me the names of the naval chief and the air force chief.
11:52I can tell you this.
11:53I will tell you, you may not even know the names.
11:55It is all about the army chief.
11:56Again, the chiefs of these three services are extremely respectable for us.
12:00I can tell you what a detailed incident they filed.
12:04As soon as it was found that the Supreme Court stood on the seats and protested,
12:08and as soon as it was found that the next amendment table was going to be held,
12:12in the Army Act, Navy Act, Air Force Act.
12:14Why didn't you put it in the agenda?
12:15What did they do?
12:16Why didn't you put it in the formal agenda?
12:17Why did everyone bring it in the amendment?
12:18There was nothing in the formal agenda.
12:20In the formal agenda, only the ordinance had to be brought in.
12:23Why not?
12:24We had a discussion.
12:25And obviously, the rules of the house are permitted.
12:27The rules of the National Assembly are permitted.
12:28Oh, yes.
12:29We can play the law as we wish.
12:31Yes, of course.
12:32But these are such important decisions.
12:34You are increasing the numbers of the Supreme Court.
12:36You are doing something that has direct political ramifications.
12:40We make these things controversial ourselves.
12:43If it was on the formal agenda, what would have happened?
12:46Why didn't you put it in the agenda at the last moment?
12:48The Supreme Court's ordinance was on the formal agenda.
12:51They knew perfectly well that the number of judges would increase.
12:54The Practice and Procedure Act was on the formal agenda.
12:57It was passed in the Senate.
12:59In the same way, the committee in the Senate decided to increase the number of judges.
13:02Okay, tell me the logic of five years.
13:03Leave it.
13:04I will tell you the logic of five years.
13:05Look, Mr. Rana has also talked about it.
13:06I also think that now it will be streamlined and regulated.
13:09Three plus three, when it was at their time, three and then plus three.
13:13Of course, that meant six years.
13:15We have now obviously curtailed that too.
13:18We have made it five years.
13:21So, five plus five can also be ten.
13:23That is your math now.
13:24No, you have put a guillotine clause in it that it cannot increase after five.
13:30No, it is not that.
13:31It is open-ended.
13:33Yes, it is open-ended.
13:34But, Mr. Malik, I would also say that we will cross that bridge when we actually come to it.
13:38You have just made it clear that the three chiefs are essential.
13:44Okay, tell me one thing.
13:45I was also listening to the statement of the defense minister.
13:47He said that we have also made it five years so that there is harmony in all the terms.
13:52Yes, of course.
13:53Punjab Prime Minister for five years.
13:55Mukarna for five years.
13:56So, the Chief Justice was also given five years.
13:59The Chief Justice was given five years because the next three senior judges are in your favor.
14:03We are in line.
14:04The next Chief Justice has to be made.
14:05Why didn't you give them five years too?
14:07No, they had three years.
14:08Why not?
14:09You could have given them five years.
14:10When you were doing everything.
14:11You could have done this with a larger national interest.
14:13Look, it is not about what you have said.
14:16I think that it has been done through a constitutional amendment.
14:21You must remember that we needed a two-thirds majority there.
14:26And, Mr. Maulana was not coming to that.
14:28Obviously, there were a lot of discussions.
14:31And, after that, the constitutional amendment was passed.
14:34Mr. Sardar, tell me if this logic is accepted that there is conformity.
14:39Mukarna for five years.
14:41The President for five years.
14:43The Army Chief does it for five years.
14:45The rest of the offices do it for five years.
14:47Then these debates will end every year.
14:49Who will be next?
14:50Who will not be next?
14:51So, according to their logic, the Chief Justice should not have been for five years.
14:57Look, this is their logic.
15:02They are blaming us.
15:05He himself was involved in it.
15:07Look, he met Mr. Nawaz Sharif in London.
15:11He met Mr. Bajwa and said from there that we will support this constitution unconditionally.
15:19He did it there.
15:21And, the People's Party did it because the People's Party thought that even if we do not support it,
15:28they will still have a majority because of the inclusion of Muslim League Noon.
15:34So, Mashallah, the Muslim League Noon is included in the previous one as well.
15:38Now, you are absolutely right with this five years.
15:40Is this final?
15:42That there will be no extension beyond this five years tenure?
15:46This is not.
15:48This means that there can be an extension even after five years.
15:52Which means that they will take up to ten years.
15:54So, this cannot be based on any logic.
16:00Mr. Sardar, tell me one thing.
16:02What effect will this have on your party's politics?
16:06Is this a message that there will be a long continuity here.
16:09You people should straighten up and think about the future.
16:13That things will go on for a long time here.
16:15Is this a message to you that the government is really doing an institutional restructuring?
16:45People cannot pay their electricity bills.
16:50People cannot pay their children's fees.
16:55Sir, that is their place.
16:57I am more concerned about the party politics because when I look at your party,
17:02I see a lot of fractured things there.
17:06Mr. Gandapur is sending two or three notices to Mr. Atif Khan one after the other
17:10about corruption.
17:11Groups are fighting among themselves.
17:13Today, Ms. Aleema has said something very interesting.
17:16In fact, I will let you listen to it.
17:18Because it is related to lawyers.
17:20Please listen to it.
17:22Listen to Imran Khan carefully.
17:25The things that we are listening to, Imran Khan is leaving.
17:28I don't understand.
17:30Do you think that the oppression that is happening on the streets is to remove Imran Khan?
17:34They have no intention of removing Imran Khan.
17:38Listen carefully again.
17:40The things that we are listening to all day, that Imran Khan is leaving tomorrow,
17:43good news is coming, all this should be stopped.
17:46They are feeding disinformation to our people.
17:51They have no intention of removing Imran Khan.
17:54We are protesting for Imran Khan.
17:58Now, these things are being said by your own lawyers,
18:02that he will come in September, he will come in December.
18:05So, this is the propaganda that they are saying.
18:08Please stop saying that you are their lawyers.
18:11You are misleading the people of their party.
18:16Look, the pain of the sister is that
18:21my brother's life should be protected.
18:26As soon as he is sincere, as soon as he can come out.
18:30So, this is the pain of the sister.
18:32We are doing, the lawyers,
18:36there is only one case left against him.
18:39And his request is also in the Islamabad High Court.
18:43Now, God willing, Imran Khan,
18:46I expect and hope that God willing, he will come soon.
18:50But she is right, Alima Bibi,
18:52that until this protest, people will not come on the streets,
18:55until this protest is not effective,
18:58until the government is not shocked,
19:01until it is not penalized,
19:03they will not leave Imran Khan.
19:05And in the same way, they are reviving the law and order,
19:09and they are making it worse and worse.
19:12Because this form 47,
19:14Now, look at the oppressor,
19:16the one who wins all the seats is the Prime Minister.
19:19The one who wins 180 seats,
19:21the one who wins 180 seats,
19:23that Adiala is in jail.
19:25What a game can be played with this country, with democracy.
19:29If you have to give respect to the vote,
19:31then is this what it is to give respect to the vote?
19:34And then they are not allowing decisions to be made in the tribunals.
19:37Otherwise, the decisions had to be made within 60 days.
19:40It was necessary.
19:41I wish it had been decided within 60 days,
19:44then today we would have had 180 people sitting.
19:47I want to say something to Mr. Akil.
19:51Mr. Khosa, Mr. Salman Akram Rajan has gone to the Supreme Court again.
19:54He has said that the consultation of the Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court
19:57and then the Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan,
20:00so that consultation does not mean that the meeting is a consultation.
20:05You are delaying it.
20:07Now, tribunals have been set up there.
20:09There are four serving judges.
20:11Four of your retired judges are in the law after the amendment.
20:14Now, work has to be done in the tribunals.
20:16Where have we stopped?
20:17The government has not stopped any tribunal.
20:19Tell me one thing,
20:20the big decision that has been made today,
20:22now you have the Election Commission.
20:25You have set up tribunals of your choice.
20:27In Punjab.
20:28Absolutely.
20:29First, you rejected it, fought for it.
20:31Aren't there four serving judges of the High Court?
20:33Listen, listen.
20:34When your first PDM 1 government was formed,
20:37you said that there would be no retired judges,
20:39there would be serving judges.
20:40Now, your PDM 2 has come.
20:42Now, you have re-enacted the law.
20:43No, no, no.
20:44There will be no serving judges,
20:45we will be retired.
20:46We saw the workload.
20:47You did not see the workload,
20:48you saw the judges.
20:49Judicial and legal reforms, Mr. Malik,
20:50we have also brought judicial and legal reforms
20:52so that people's cases are heard.
20:53What were you afraid of serving judges?
20:55We were not afraid.
20:56There are four serving judges in this.
20:57Then you should have put eight of them,
20:58then four of them would have gone in.
20:59Then would the people go to get oil?
21:01No, no, no.
21:02I am saying that you should have removed
21:03those four serving judges as well.
21:04You should have put all the retired judges.
21:05Not all the retired judges,
21:06the provision is there.
21:07Of course, we say that the cases of the people should be heard.
21:10These are the cases of politicians
21:12who did not come to the effectors.
21:14What you have legislated today
21:16is basically a message to the PTI
21:18that wherever there is a belief that
21:20the one with whom there is an establishment
21:22will remain there and the work will go on.
21:24Okay?
21:25The establishment was with Mr. Khan,
21:27he came.
21:28It was against him, he left.
21:29It was against you, you left.
21:31If it was with you, you came and became your government.
21:33This is a fact.
21:34You people have given a message
21:36that those who are going to run with the PTI,
21:38the leaders of the second tier, third tier,
21:40they should think that
21:41the next three years will be very bad.
21:43Think about it.
21:44If you were in the hope that
21:46the situation will change after 2025,
21:48then nothing will change for you till 2028.
21:50So, was this the message?
21:52No, I think the message to this entire party,
21:55whether you want to call them PTI
21:57or Sunni Jitahat Council,
21:58the message is loud and clear
22:00and from day one,
22:01since this government is actually coming to being.
22:03And the message is that
22:05political problems have political solutions.
22:08Political issues have a political solution.
22:10It will be solved through dialogue.
22:12If you say that
22:14we will break the doors of the jail
22:16and get Imran Khan out,
22:18that is not going to happen.
22:20His sister is also saying that
22:22the lawyer tells the date every day.
22:24It will come in November,
22:25it will come in September,
22:26it will come in October.
22:27Don't do this.
22:28These are their cases.
22:29They are inside because of their own doing.
22:33Mr. Sardar, tell me this.
22:34If your party was thinking that
22:37the military leadership will change after this year,
22:40then the national situation will change,
22:42then we will have a new arrangement.
22:44Now that is not happening.
22:46Now do you have any other option
22:48other than talking to the political force
22:50and leave it because
22:52we will talk to the establishment.
22:54The establishment is continuing now.
22:58Sir, unfortunately,
23:00this is the only government that
23:02wants freedom of expression,
23:04which does not want peace,
23:06which does not want any political settlement,
23:08which does not want to solve
23:10the issues through elections.
23:12They themselves create turmoil.
23:14Now we have only one option left,
23:16that we go out on the streets
23:18and fill the jails
23:20and choke it and paralyze it.
23:22What Aleema Khan is doing,
23:24what Gandapur is doing,
23:26what the military elements are doing.
23:28But Mr. Gandapur comes,
23:30threatens, sometimes there are bloodshed,
23:32sometimes some disappear themselves.
23:34And if you can't get them out of Punjab,
23:36then from where will you fill the jails?
23:40Sir, sir,
23:42you are sitting there,
23:44as an MNA,
23:46I know about 50,000 phones
23:48about when Khan is being released,
23:50when Khan is being released,
23:52when Khan is being released.
23:54Why don't you do this?
23:56They are, you know,
23:58so many of our workers,
24:00so many Pakistani people,
24:02you see, just see the sorrow,
24:04anger and hatred,
24:06that Nawaz Sharif goes out,
24:08what is the reason for that?
24:10Qazi Faizi has gone out,
24:12what is the reason for that?
24:14Here, without uniform,
24:16they can go to the market
24:18or to a neighborhood,
24:20or without a guard,
24:22without an escort,
24:24without a ranger,
24:26without a police,
24:28any Prime Minister can go
24:30in their circle.
24:32They are saying that you are inviting
24:34civil unrest,
24:36I am asking him,
24:38I am asking the lawyer,
24:40I am asking the lawyer.
24:42Sir, we don't want any civil unrest,
24:44if anything,
24:46we are still suffering
24:48the consequences of what they have done,
24:50there has been a big surge in terrorism,
24:52and because of that,
24:54we have brought an amendment
24:56in the Anti-Terrorism Act,
24:58when in 2014-16,
25:00we brought it,
25:02Radd-ul-Fasad, Zarb-e-Azb,
25:04we gave them a proper,
25:06peaceful environment,
25:08and that too with a sunset clause.
25:10It has a two-year sunset clause.
25:12Now, to say that in terrorism
25:14or terrorism cases,
25:16there has not been a surge,
25:18or in terrorism incidents,
25:20there has not been a surge,
25:22you can look at the day before yesterday,
25:24you can look at today's situation,
25:26you can go four days ago,
25:28a week ago,
25:30this is their gift,
25:32in the name of reintegration policy,
25:34they have laid a trap in the whole of Pakistan,
25:36and this is obviously,
25:38the entire nation is actually
25:40bearing the brunt for this now.
25:42We are not doing anything
25:44civil,
25:46in terms of
25:48civil riots or whatever,
25:50we are not tolerating anything,
25:52they come on the streets,
25:54they come on the streets a lakh times,
25:56and you have also come,
25:58they come on the streets,
26:00they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:02they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:04they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:06they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:08they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:10they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:12they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:14they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:16they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:18they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:20they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:22they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:24they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:26they come on the streets a lakh times,
26:28Right now you have only one option,
26:30heating up the streets.
26:32To heat up the streets,
26:34you can't see the party structure,
26:36the intraparty fights between the parties,
26:38you can't deny that,
26:40there is a Gandapur group,
26:42there is a Hamad Nazar group,
26:44there is a grouping within the KP,
26:46we see the Jaloos,
26:48at Chungi 26,
26:50and then things end.
26:52So seriously,
26:54you are not playing on their turf,
26:56you can have a Jaloos after 2 weeks,
26:58give 4 statements,
27:00their government is leaving,
27:02they don't see any threat from you.
27:04Look Malik,
27:06I am a part of the parliament,
27:08believe me,
27:10the surprise and the way
27:12they bring it in full speed,
27:14and bulldoze it,
27:16the way the speaker waves all the rules,
27:18the way he is getting the legislation
27:20and the constitutional amendments done,
27:22this is a joke of this democracy,
27:24and this is why they don't want
27:26political stability in this country.
27:28Look, where there is no political stability,
27:30there can never be a stable country,
27:32neither will the economy be stable,
27:34nor will the peace be stable.
27:36And where did the peace come from?
27:38This terrorism is bound to increase,
27:40because when the establishment,
27:42every day,
27:44the commander-in-chief,
27:46every day,
27:48the commander-in-chief,
27:50every day,
27:52how to make a police,
27:54how to make the four walls,
27:56how to raise the MNAs and MPAs,
27:58the workers,
28:00how to stop them from
28:02participating in the Jalsa.
28:04When the establishment
28:06takes up this work
28:08in the whole of Pakistan,
28:10then the borders will become
28:12unprotected,
28:14and there will be terrorism.
28:16Can you deal with these people
28:18without the establishment?
28:20Can you deal with these people? Do you have a solution for them?
28:24Look, I just told you that political problems have political solutions.
28:27We have all solutions.
28:28No, no, I am just asking Akhil sir.
28:30I am just asking Akhil sir.
28:32Mr. Khosla, need I remind you that your party's government, PTI,
28:38had 80-90 ordinances in 18-19 minutes.
28:45So, you have disrespected the sanctity of this parliament.
28:50So, please don't tell us this.
28:52At least, we are following a proper act of parliament.
28:55And we are following the rules as per procedure.
28:59You have said that apart from the establishment or Mukanana,
29:05we have invited them for a dialogue from day one.
29:08CJ should have a five-year tenure.
29:10Your senior Muslim League leader told me that we had asked for a five-year tenure
29:14but the People's Party did not agree. Is this true?
29:16CJP.
29:17CJP.
29:18No, I can neither confirm nor deny this.
29:21In this way, all the constitutional office holders,
29:28including the Chief Election Commissioner,
29:31and all the other constitutional office holders,
29:34including the Chairman of the FPC,
29:36why do you need a five-year tenure and not a four-year tenure?
29:38It is a start.
29:41We have streamlined and regulated this
29:45so that there is a five-year tenure
29:47and there is a harmonisation between the government and the party.
29:54Mr. Sardar, thank you very much.
29:56Thank you, Mr. Barshi.
29:57It is very interesting that whenever we talk about national interests
30:01and when the government brings in legislation,
30:04then somehow, in power politics,
30:07there is an immediate benefit.
30:09I don't know when you will get it,
30:11but it is such a beautiful coincidence
30:14that the immediate gainer is the government of the day
30:18and the immediate loser is the opposition of the day.
30:21Maybe this is an unbroken string of coincidences.
30:24Anyway, let's take a break.
30:26After the break, let's talk about the PIA drama.
30:30We will talk about the privatisation of the PIA.
30:33It is a national flag carrier.
30:35There is a lot of emotional attachment,
30:37but there is also a limit to the attachment.
30:40In 16 years, there was a loss of 73 billion,
30:43which is now 830 billion.
30:46830 billion.
30:48It is a loss of 73 billion.
30:50It is a loss of 73 billion.
30:52It is a loss of 73 billion.
30:54It is a loss of 73 billion.
30:56It is a loss of 73 billion.
30:58It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:00It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:02It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:04It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:06It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:08It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:10It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:12It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:14It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:16It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:18It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:20It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:22It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:24It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:26It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:28It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:30It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:32It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:34It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:36It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:38It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:40It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:42It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:44It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:46It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:48It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:50It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:52It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:54It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:56It is a loss of 73 billion.
31:58It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:00It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:02It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:04It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:06It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:08It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:10It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:12It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:14It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:16It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:18It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:20It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:22It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:24It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:26It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:28It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:30It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:32It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:34It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:36It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:38It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:40It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:42It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:44It is a loss of 73 billion.
32:46It is a loss of 73 billion.
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