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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:18You are aware of today's news.
00:21Imran Khan has said that on 24th November, the PTI has reached Islamabad.
00:25The PTI will hold a massive protest and he has said that we will not go back until all our demands are met.
00:33What are the demands?
00:34First, the 26th amendment should be revoked.
00:39Second, restore democracy and the constitution.
00:45Third, which is the most important, return the public's mandate.
00:49That is, their stance is that the results of 8th February were changed from 45th to 47th.
00:57They should return the mandate.
00:59This means that the government should go and change the entire form of the National Assembly.
01:04Fourth, release all innocent political prisoners.
01:08Then he said that he has formed a leadership committee which will lead the protest and will do all the negotiations.
01:17The name of that committee is still kept secret.
01:20But the detailed statement that the PTI has issued is very interesting.
01:26He said that he is giving the final call for the protest.
01:30And through the 26th amendment, non-declaration of martial law has been imposed for 10 years.
01:38This is perhaps a reference to the fact that when the law was changed,
01:44the army chief was given 5 years of service.
01:48So 10 years of non-declaration of martial law can only mean that the army chief will not remain for 5 years,
01:55but will remain for another 5 years.
01:58So this is what he is seeing.
02:00Then he said another interesting thing.
02:03He said that the committee will negotiate with whoever the handlers want to negotiate with.
02:11So if those handlers take the name of Mohsin Naqvi, will the PTI talk to them?
02:17We will see when the time comes.
02:19And one thing he said is that the sea of the people will take away every obstacle and container.
02:26This time we will not go back to the acceptance of the demand.
02:30Do you remember this?
02:31When the protest took place in 2014, there was a momentum even before that.
02:35Now the call Mr. Khan has given is basically 10 days.
02:38Today is the 13th.
02:41So on the 11th, everyone will be in Islamabad for 10 days.
02:45The last time Mr. Imran Khan gave a call was in Bahawalpur.
02:50And this was on 27th June.
02:52And then it was the time of 14th August.
02:55At that time, the party had 48 days to organize things.
02:58And at that time, Imran Khan himself was leading.
03:00Imran Khan had his own charisma.
03:02Lakhs of people were behind him.
03:04At that time, he also had the tacit support of the establishment.
03:07And later we saw that the support also came out openly.
03:10What is different this time?
03:12A lot of things are different this time.
03:14This government has strengthened its hands after the constitutional amendment.
03:20The changes of the Supreme Court.
03:22The PTI had two biggest expectations in October and November.
03:26One was that when the Chief Justice will change, Mr. Faiz Issa,
03:31and Justice Mansoor Ali Shah will be elected,
03:33then the mood of the Supreme Court will be different.
03:36The government changed all those things through the amendment.
03:39Mansoor Ali Shah left the weak Chief Justice and was not able to become the Chief Justice.
03:46And the other Chief Justices who were elected,
03:48about whom it is said that Mr. Yahya is a very ignorant man,
03:51they were also completely diluted by making eye-level benches.
03:55And the establishment of eye-level benches,
03:57we also broke our news that Justice Sameen Uddin Khan will be elected,
04:01which is considered to be on the right side of the government.
04:04So, the Supreme Court also got out of hand.
04:07Now, if there was hope that the military leadership would change in the coming November,
04:12then that military leadership is not changing.
04:14That is also the same leadership of at least 2027.
04:17So, the military angle also got out.
04:20The Supreme Court also got out.
04:22Mr. Khan is inside himself.
04:24There are a lot of fractures in the party.
04:26You can see the fights of the party leadership.
04:29Did Imran Khan need 48 days to bring that movement to a conclusion?
04:35Can the PTI reach there in 10 days?
04:38And if his government did not fall after 126 days of protest,
04:43and the establishment was also against it,
04:45then would they be able to do it now, even if there was a similar protest?
04:50Is this final call a desperate call or an overconfidence call?
04:57We will talk about this later.
04:59I have been joined in the studio by Mazar Abbas.
05:01Thank you very much.
05:02Mr. Javed is also with us.
05:03Thank you very much, Mr. Shah.
05:05And in a short while, we will be joined by Mr. Salman Akram Raja,
05:08who is also the General Secretary of the PTI.
05:10Because right now, in Peshawar, as we speak,
05:13a very high-powered meeting is going on,
05:15where the entire leadership of the PTI is present.
05:17Otherwise, they would have joined us by now.
05:20And it is natural that after 10 days,
05:22if you want to do a do-or-die event,
05:26then obviously, there will be such activities every day.
05:30Let's start from here.
05:32Mr. Shah, you are our senior, so let's start from you, from the elders.
05:37The reality is that even in 2014, the government did not fall.
05:41And at that time, the situation was very favorable in many matters.
05:44Imran Khan himself was leading.
05:46The call that has come today,
05:47and in fact, let's listen to this announcement as well,
05:49because the mood has changed even more.
05:51Mr. Khan used to say that it started with four rings,
05:53then there was talk of 35 punctures,
05:55so it was going on gradually.
05:57Here, Ali Ameen Ghandapur Sahib, etc.
05:59have already heated up a lot of things.
06:01Corpses have come out, corpses will fall,
06:03this will happen, that will happen.
06:05Just listen to what the announcements have been so far.
06:07I am giving you a warning.
06:09If after this, we get any kind of complaint,
06:11about the fact that Mr. Khan's meetings have been tightened,
06:14then you are counting your days anyway,
06:16and we are also counting your days.
06:17So I am addressing the whole corps,
06:19that you be ready.
06:20As it is, I have already told you,
06:21that the decision we have taken to close the whole of Pakistan,
06:24and how we closed the whole of Pakistan,
06:26we proved it before as well.
06:28Now I am giving you a warning,
06:29that after D-Chowk,
06:30our next step is only one,
06:33and you will not even get a chance to run in a helicopter.
06:35The time for a decisive war is near.
06:37I am giving a message to all people,
06:39that this time, if we go out for a decisive war,
06:42then we will tell our families,
06:44that if we don't come back,
06:45then our funerals will take place.
06:46Because now we have understood,
06:48that according to the law,
06:50we do not get the right to this country.
06:52So we are trying our best,
06:54to remain peaceful,
06:55to remain within the law,
06:56but we are being forced to do so.
06:57I, Ali Amin Khan,
06:59swear by God,
07:03that the call that Imran Khan has to give me,
07:06in the month of November,
07:07which will be a decisive call,
07:09even if I lose my life,
07:13even if I lose everything,
07:15I will not come back to my home,
07:19until Imran Khan is released.
07:23You have heard this on this side,
07:25now on the other side,
07:26the government is also very ready,
07:28they say,
07:29no matter what happens in the world,
07:30we will not let them do anything.
07:31Just yesterday,
07:32Rana Sinhalo Sahib said something,
07:34listen to that as well.
07:35If Khan Sahib gives a call,
07:37and after that,
07:38a procession takes place,
07:39and there are clashes,
07:40and a big incident happens,
07:41then will you, the government,
07:44directly file a case against Imran Khan,
07:46for all these things?
07:48Yes, there is no question of what,
07:50he is responsible,
07:51he is the one who is doing it,
07:52it is happening on his orders,
07:54it is happening for his release.
07:56They are giving excuses to the law enforcing agencies,
08:01they are giving them licenses,
08:03that they are completely cracking down on you.
08:06But,
08:07but,
08:08it shoots you,
08:09if they come to kill you,
08:10then they should do it.
08:11They are going to bring a bloody revolution,
08:13they are going to do violence,
08:15and the time and place of the procession,
08:18which will take place,
08:20will be determined in Adyala jail.
08:27Shah ji, he is also ready.
08:29He said,
08:30I have not forgotten,
08:31I am talking about killing and violence,
08:33he is also ready,
08:34that if something happens,
08:36then he will directly file a case against Imran Khan.
08:40Now,
08:41he was in jail,
08:42he had a plausible deniability,
08:44it has happened.
08:45Here, the party is also saying,
08:47that the same strategy,
08:48the same call,
08:49today they have also made it official,
08:51that it is my call,
08:52it is my strategy,
08:53it is my committee.
08:54So, he is completely ready.
08:56Is PTI,
08:58playing a very big game right now?
09:02Or, it can give the results?
09:33I wish,
09:34that if Malik bhai was a little prepared,
09:37on the party level,
09:39then Salman Akram Raja sahib would have been available.
09:43You are getting the information,
09:46that right now,
09:47a high power meeting is going on in Peshawar.
09:49Yes.
09:50This means,
09:51that today,
09:52when Raja sahib,
09:53instead of joining your program,
09:56till now,
09:57He was joining us in Lahore,
09:59I listened to DSNG,
10:01I listened to it,
10:02DSNG was also there,
10:03then,
10:04at the last moment,
10:05I came to know,
10:06that he had to go to Peshawar.
10:07And,
10:08he had to go,
10:09despite the noise.
10:10This also happened,
10:11otherwise,
10:12he would have done it on Zoom call.
10:13In Zoom call,
10:14he would have been intercepted,
10:15and the enemies would have come to know.
10:16So,
10:17I am being told,
10:18that he will join us on Skype.
10:19Ok.
10:20Now,
10:21he will join us on Skype,
10:22so,
10:23please ask him,
10:24that,
10:25the dates given to him,
10:26by the party,
10:27were two.
10:28It will be very good,
10:29when he joins you.
10:30You can ask him yourself,
10:31when he joins you.
10:32No,
10:33why won't you ask him?
10:34You can also ask him.
10:35All the reporters are sitting here,
10:36all three of them.
10:37All three of them have the right,
10:38all three of them can ask him.
10:39Listen to me first,
10:40that,
10:41all of them had to say,
10:42that,
10:43it was either,
10:4425th December,
10:45or,
10:46it was 20th January,
10:47when,
10:48our Trump,
10:49took the oath.
10:50Ok,
10:51now,
10:52he has joined us,
10:53you can ask him.
10:54Assalam-o-Alaikum, Salman.
10:55Yes,
10:56Assalam-o-Alaikum.
10:57Tell me,
10:58your call,
10:59is it a call of confidence,
11:00or,
11:01is it a call of desperation,
11:02that you feel,
11:03that,
11:04things are getting out of hand.
11:05So,
11:06let's do it,
11:07because,
11:08ten days,
11:09frankly,
11:10is not a lot of time,
11:11to run such a big movement.
11:12And,
11:13now,
11:14Sheikh Waqas Akram,
11:15said in the Swabi Jalsa,
11:16that,
11:17this is not the last call,
11:18this can't be the last.
11:19There can be a lot of calls.
11:20But,
11:21Mr. Khan has said,
11:22that you will come,
11:23and if you don't come,
11:24then,
11:25you can't do it.
11:26So,
11:27you can't do it.
11:28So,
11:29you will come,
11:30and if you don't come,
11:31then you can't do it.
11:32In ten days,
11:33will you be able to mobilize,
11:34such a big movement,
11:35such a big protest,
11:36that,
11:37things will turn around?
11:38Look,
11:39this will come in front of you,
11:40the situation,
11:41which we can see,
11:42the people are excited,
11:43they are passionate,
11:44there is oppression,
11:45which,
11:46in this country,
11:47is an atmosphere of fraud,
11:48after the election,
11:49everything is in front of them.
11:50So,
11:51this will come in front of you.
11:52Look,
11:53in the lives of nations,
11:54there is no,
11:55there is no,
11:56there is no,
11:57this that,
11:58there are times,
11:59such moments,
12:00they keep coming.
12:01We believe that,
12:02such a moment,
12:03has come,
12:04in a nation's life,
12:05that they need to raise their voices,
12:06for the truth,
12:07and this is,
12:08an action of revolution,
12:09which has brought us here,
12:10and this action,
12:11will continue.
12:12Ok,
12:13tell me one thing,
12:14one sentence,
12:15is very interesting,
12:16the statement,
12:17which has been released,
12:18of Mr Khan,
12:19in that he says,
12:20when there will be,
12:21discussions,
12:22with anyone.
12:23Handlers,
12:24will step forward,
12:25and our committee,
12:26that our committee will have a discussion with them.
12:29Now, by handlers, I mean, as a layman,
12:32simply, it's like an army establishment
12:34that will conduct military exercises.
12:36Military exercises will be conducted by the government,
12:39if that's what they say.
12:40The government is already ready to talk to you.
12:43So, are you looking for an excuse to talk to the government
12:47to have a meeting?
12:49And when people from the government come to us,
12:51how can we say that the handlers have sent them,
12:53and we will talk to them?
12:54Because if you want to talk to these people,
12:57you can still do that.
12:58Kindly clarify this.
13:00Who are the handlers?
13:02And if they send Mohsin Naqvi tomorrow,
13:04will Mohsin Naqvi be acceptable for you to talk to?
13:09Look, the handlers are the same.
13:11It depends on what they say.
13:14We are saying,
13:14end this atmosphere of deception, cruelty and coercion.
13:18And get rid of the system of democracy and courts in the country.
13:25At the moment, the courts are a place of sovereignty.
13:32So, end this whole situation.
13:35If something like this happens,
13:36if a firm step is taken for this,
13:39then we absolutely want the system of justice and democracy
13:45to return to this country, to be stable.
13:47Salman, my question is still unanswered.
13:51My question is,
13:53if you come tomorrow,
13:54and you have a meeting,
13:55whether you are in Islamabad or somewhere else,
13:59and a delegation of witnesses comes to you,
14:02two or three,
14:03and they bring a message,
14:05and you also get a message that the handlers have sent them,
14:08then who is involved in this?
14:10Whoever comes with this message,
14:12will you negotiate with them?
14:16No, we don't do that.
14:17When the handlers send us a message,
14:19we know that the handlers have sent it,
14:21and we know what their orders are.
14:23There is no child here who is so ignorant.
14:26And when someone comes himself,
14:27we know that as well.
14:29So, it's not like we don't know why someone has come,
14:32and who is behind him,
14:34and what status he has.
14:37Okay, I have with me Nusrat Javed Sahib,
14:41Mazhar Abbas as well.
14:42I will invite them.
14:43If they want to ask you anything,
14:45please jump in.
14:46But I have one question first.
14:48The four demands that you have written,
14:50revoke the 26th Amendment,
14:52which Mr. Khan has said,
14:53restore democracy and constitution,
14:55this can also be done.
14:57There are two such things,
14:57return public's mandate,
14:59that will not happen in an election.
15:01And innocent political prisoners,
15:03this can also be done.
15:04What is the minimum win that you think right now?
15:07That you say,
15:07okay, we have come,
15:08we have protested.
15:10If this happens,
15:13we consider this to be the minimum win.
15:14Yesterday, I had a program with Ali Zafar,
15:16who is your parliamentary leader in the Senate.
15:19He gave a hint that,
15:21even if it is a matter of early elections,
15:24then it is possible that some people may say,
15:27four years are left,
15:28we can give a year or a year and a half,
15:29leave that for a year and a half.
15:31Do you have any clarity on the minimum win?
15:35Because he said yesterday,
15:36that our party does not have such clarity right now,
15:38as to what we want.
15:40This is on record.
15:41What is your minimum win?
15:44Look, it is not like that.
15:51Okay, I think you can reconnect now.
15:54He will come back and reconnect.
15:56You can finish that matter.
15:56No, I wanted to confirm this with him.
16:00According to my own information,
16:02it was strongly recommended to Mr. Khan,
16:07that either...
16:08Okay, he has come, let's ask him.
16:10Yes.
16:10Yes, Salman, can you hear us?
16:13Yes, I can.
16:14Okay, tell us,
16:15what will be your minimum win in this?
16:18I said that,
16:20these matters are not to be discussed in advance,
16:23that I will tell you today.
16:25This is a continuous process.
16:27But obviously, we want Imran Khan out.
16:29We think that all the cases against him are false,
16:32they are false.
16:33They should be finished and they will be out.
16:36Then a political process will move forward.
16:39We want to move forward the political process,
16:41we want to move forward the judicial process.
16:44So this is our plan.
16:46We will do whatever we can for this.
16:49And if there is any positive step forward,
16:52we will see it.
16:54Okay, Salman, I am Nusrat Javed speaking.
16:58My brother, I have been told that
17:00the people of your party,
17:02who have been meeting with Mr. Khan recently,
17:05they have been telling him,
17:07that it would be better if we start this final call
17:10from 25th December,
17:12or on 20th January.
17:14Is this right?
17:15Or is this just a bluff?
17:18No, look,
17:19this can be a personal opinion,
17:21this is not the opinion of any party.
17:23Okay, it was not like that,
17:24the three-way committee did not have such an opinion.
17:28But tell me,
17:29is this 24th October,
17:31the date of the party?
17:3324th November.
17:33Sorry, 24th November.
17:35Or is it that Mr. Khan himself has told you,
17:38that in any case,
17:40and if he has said it,
17:42then why 24th?
17:44Can you help us in guessing that?
17:48No, this is a discussion within the party.
17:50This is a complete discussion within the party.
17:53And 24th November is obviously Mr. Imran Khan's call,
17:58but there is a discussion and consultation in this.
18:02Salman, tell me,
18:03this announcement that was made on 24th November,
18:06was made by Ali Ma Khan.
18:09Now, in Ali Ma Khan's actual party,
18:12as far as I know,
18:13there is no position.
18:15So, do you think that this was the right way,
18:18that Ali Ma Khan should come and make the announcement,
18:20instead of the party's chairman or secretary-general making the announcement,
18:23and you yourself were not aware of this on 24th November?
18:28No, I was not aware at all.
18:29Look,
18:30what happens is,
18:31that a court has been established in Adyala Jail.
18:35There, due to our petitions,
18:37the journalists have been allowed to come.
18:40And whatever Mr. Khan says,
18:43of this nature,
18:44he says it to the journalists who are present there.
18:47But for the past few weeks,
18:50the discussion that he has been having there,
18:52has not been published.
18:53No newspaper,
18:54no media channel,
18:55publishes that discussion.
18:57So, he also had this discussion with the media,
19:00with the journalists present there.
19:02But no one came out and mentioned it.
19:05So, since Ali Ma Khan was present there,
19:08that is why he mentioned it.
19:10This announcement was made by Imran Khan himself.
19:14And it should have reached the public through the media in normal circumstances.
19:18And Salman,
19:19this committee which was said to be,
19:22that this committee will lead the movement,
19:25it has not been announced yet,
19:27or if it was announced,
19:28it was not made public.
19:29Is it a decision that those names will not be made public?
19:35Look, this is not a committee like this,
19:38but this is an internal matter,
19:40of an organizational nature.
19:42Our party is established all over the country.
19:45There are many organizations that work together.
19:48They will do it.
19:49If there is a committee,
19:51then its work will be of coordination.
19:54But such a big party…
19:55No, no, Salman,
19:56if you…
19:57Let me jump in.
19:58You are saying that this is not a committee like this.
20:00The message of Ali Khan on the X,
20:03I will read it categorically.
20:05He said,
20:06I have formed a leadership committee
20:08to lead the protest and conduct all negotiations.
20:12He is saying that he has formed a committee
20:14which will lead the protest
20:16and will also do the negotiations when the time comes.
20:19Look, I don't want to talk much on this.
20:21Obviously, we have an organizational structure.
20:24There are committees on different levels.
20:28What can those committees do?
20:30What power do they have?
20:32We know that.
20:33I don't think it is necessary to mention that.
20:35Okay, Salman,
20:36in the movement that goes on at any time,
20:38obviously,
20:39now that a decisive phase has been announced,
20:43which is on 24th November,
20:45is there any preparation
20:47that if, for example,
20:49the front-line leadership is arrested,
20:52then who will lead the second tier
20:54or third tier leadership?
20:56And how will that happen?
20:58Has this kind of formation taken place or is it yet to take place?
21:01Yes, absolutely.
21:02And look,
21:03this is not just a matter of PTI.
21:05Whether it is the 26th amendment,
21:07freedom of justice,
21:08respect for the four walls of the country,
21:11sanctity of the vote,
21:13these are not matters of PTI.
21:15These are matters of every Pakistani.
21:17These are your matters.
21:18The call that has been given,
21:20it has not only been given to the workers of PTI,
21:22it has been given to the entire Pakistani community.
21:25Okay, Salman,
21:26what I want to say to you is that,
21:28suppose,
21:29on your request,
21:30to take back the 26th amendment,
21:32if the call is made before 24th,
21:35then you can postpone it.
21:38The second thing is that,
21:40suppose,
21:41if the 26th amendment is also taken back,
21:43and the rest of your demands are also accepted,
21:45but you would also like to violate the law
21:48by violating the law,
21:49the army chief has been employed for three to five years,
21:52or if he remains the same,
21:53then it is okay,
21:54there is no such thing.
21:55You say,
21:56the four demands are accepted.
21:57Look,
21:58what has been said,
21:59we remain to the same point.
22:00The thing that has come to light at the moment,
22:02But this is a very important question.
22:03You are saying,
22:0410 years,
22:05Mashallah,
22:06I am sorry.
22:07Look,
22:08this is very important,
22:09what Mr. Nusrat has said,
22:10because you have said,
22:11Mr. Khan,
22:12that,
22:13for 10 years,
22:14without declaration,
22:15Mashallah,
22:16then you explain to us,
22:17what is the meaning of this line,
22:18if this is not the reference,
22:19then without declaration,
22:20Mashallah,
22:21you say,
22:22it is understood that,
22:23now Mashallah has started,
22:24and democracy has gone.
22:26To mention 10 years specifically,
22:29then this is the key to the whole thing,
22:32isn't it?
22:33No,
22:34it is not the key.
22:35Look,
22:36if the republic runs,
22:37parliament comes,
22:38political action moves forward,
22:39then all these things can be seen.
22:41The need at the moment is that,
22:43political action moves forward,
22:44elections are held properly,
22:46and the judiciary,
22:47which has been governed by the 26th amendment,
22:50should be taken back.
22:52So early elections,
22:53early elections,
22:54can be a negotiating point,
22:56that if 4 years are left,
22:57they say,
22:58you leave 2 years,
22:59we leave 2 years,
23:00so in early elections,
23:01it can be discussed,
23:02after a year or two,
23:03after the lead.
23:04Look,
23:05the most important thing in this,
23:06is that,
23:07the unjust cases against Imran Khan,
23:10and his unjust arrest,
23:12should be eliminated.
23:13The rest,
23:14all things are related to this,
23:15but the rest,
23:16all things are important.
23:17The independence of the constitution,
23:19the freedom of the judiciary,
23:20all these are fundamental things.
23:22So you are saying,
23:23that the 5th thing,
23:24which is not written here,
23:26actually that is the real thing,
23:28and the rest 4 are related to it,
23:30putting it very plainly.
23:32No,
23:33look,
23:34all these are related.
23:35Why is Imran Khan in jail?
23:37Imran Khan is in jail,
23:38because the judiciary has been governed.
23:40We think,
23:41if the judiciary is free,
23:42then he is absolutely in jail.
23:43Salman,
23:44Salman,
23:45this means that,
23:46your fundamental demand,
23:48is that,
23:49new elections should be held,
23:51and Imran Khan's inability,
23:53and the restrictions on him,
23:55should be eliminated,
23:56and he should be released.
23:58This is the only way,
23:59you will participate in the general elections.
24:02Look,
24:03the general elections,
24:04should be held,
24:05in the condition that,
24:06the judiciary is free,
24:07in the condition that,
24:08there is no coercion,
24:09in the condition that,
24:10there is a regular system of government in the country.
24:13If elections are to be held,
24:15as they were held,
24:16on the night of 8th February,
24:17then what is the benefit of those elections?
24:19You can have them held a hundred times,
24:20if you want to form governments,
24:22through Form 47,
24:23and reject the public opinion,
24:25then there is no benefit of that.
24:27Then,
24:28Salman,
24:29then are you in the custody of the army,
24:31for the general elections,
24:32or are you in the custody of the judiciary,
24:33for the general elections?
24:34I mean,
24:35there must be some formula for that.
24:37Obviously,
24:38we don't want the custody,
24:39that was there this time.
24:41But,
24:42this is a public court.
24:43Why doesn't this happen in other countries?
24:45There is an army in every country,
24:47there are agencies,
24:48they also have,
24:49guns,
24:50pistols,
24:51and guns,
24:52and boots,
24:53why doesn't this happen there?
24:55This doesn't happen,
24:56because there,
24:57people like us,
24:58don't accept this.
25:00We come out of our homes,
25:02we say,
25:03we won't accept this.
25:04This is the difference today,
25:05in our society,
25:06and in that society.
25:07No,
25:08in Thailand and Myanmar,
25:09the situation is the same.
25:12Mr. Seema,
25:13tell me one thing,
25:14tell me one thing,
25:15yesterday,
25:16yesterday,
25:17yesterday,
25:18when Ali Zafar was speaking,
25:20he said that,
25:21the strategy,
25:22our party is not clear,
25:23I still feel some confusion,
25:25because what you are saying,
25:27are not declared objectives,
25:29but you are right,
25:30that is the reality on the ground,
25:32and everything is connected to that,
25:34but here,
25:35there is no declared demand,
25:37I am coming back to the leadership committee,
25:40because you are talking about,
25:42bringing about a revolution,
25:43people should come out on the streets,
25:45their families should be buried,
25:47according to Ali Ghandapur,
25:48they won't come back,
25:49all this is happening.
25:51A committee is being formed,
25:52we are not getting its name,
25:54the logical reason,
25:55I was understanding,
25:56that maybe they didn't take the name,
25:58so that people don't pick it up,
26:00so that it becomes a committee,
26:02but the other angle,
26:03I can see that,
26:04maybe there are so many groups in the party,
26:07that if you put two people in the committee,
26:09then three people will get upset,
26:11we don't have that,
26:12so this will be a committee,
26:13that will change all the time,
26:15because no one knows,
26:16who is in that committee,
26:18so that shows,
26:19that it is a fractured party,
26:21so tell us,
26:22why is this leadership committee,
26:24secret?
26:25No, no, it is not like that,
26:27the rumors of fractures,
26:29are outside the party,
26:31there is no such fracturing in the party,
26:33Ghandapur sir,
26:34is giving notice to Atif Khan,
26:36in the corruption notice,
26:37the MNAJ,
26:38giving statements against others,
26:40you know this too,
26:41you know that this is a reality,
26:43there is a grouping,
26:44there are groups in the party,
26:46but this is a wrong impression,
26:48that this is a big group,
26:50or fracturing,
26:51or something like that,
26:52this is a united party,
26:54and when Khan sir's direction comes,
26:57then there is no confusion,
26:59so forget this,
27:00that there is such a thing,
27:02that we will not tell the name,
27:03that no one gets upset,
27:04this is not such a problem,
27:06the party is absolutely wrong.
27:08Tell me one thing,
27:09we had also shared a news,
27:11that at the highest level,
27:12a proposal of the government,
27:14almost,
27:15they have prepared a counter measure,
27:17that if there is pressure on them,
27:19from the Trump administration,
27:20or it comes indirectly,
27:22like it came for Mian sir,
27:23via Saudi Arabia,
27:25UAE and Qatar,
27:26and all that,
27:27and it is said that
27:28leave Khan sir,
27:29so their counter proposal is this,
27:31that okay,
27:32we leave him,
27:33but Khan sir will not go to Benigala,
27:35he will not go to Zaman park,
27:37whatever happens for 2-4 years,
27:39he will go out,
27:40there is a lot of opposition to that too,
27:42in the government,
27:43they say that if Khan sir goes out,
27:45then the whole crowd is his,
27:46and there will be a war chest of millions,
27:48they will blow us up,
27:49but the hope of the government is,
27:51that if they give such a counter offer,
27:53then their hope is,
27:54that Khan sir will refuse,
27:56so they will also become good children,
27:58in front of the outsiders,
27:59see, we had said,
28:00if Khan does not go,
28:01then what should we do?
28:02If such a thing comes in these negotiations,
28:04will it be outright rejected,
28:06or is this a big possibility of negotiation?
28:09Because you want Khan sir free, right?
28:12Absolutely,
28:13I don't think
28:14that such a thing will be acceptable to us,
28:16why should we give Khan sir the country of Badr,
28:19this is a matter of the country of Badri,
28:21he is a citizen of this country,
28:22his resolve is that
28:23he will never leave the country.
28:24No, they say that
28:25it is a tactical maneuver
28:26to fight another day,
28:27if you come out of jail,
28:28then this is your biggest victory.
28:31No, if this had to be done,
28:33then this would have happened a long time ago,
28:35this is not such a thing,
28:36this is an innocent thing.
28:37If Khan sir
28:38just wanted to come out of jail,
28:40and wanted to leave the country,
28:42then this was not a difficult thing,
28:44this happened a long time ago.
28:45So now your protest will be indefinite,
28:48you come on the 24th,
28:50so this will be an indefinite protest,
28:52until all the conditions are met,
28:55or if two or three are accepted,
28:57but you are coming for an indefinite protest,
28:59and this protest is only in Islamabad,
29:01that there will be protests in other places as well.
29:04Look, you cannot present the whole process
29:06in front of you,
29:08you will see this thing that day,
29:10this is an evolving situation,
29:12mass mobilization,
29:14you cannot close it in any formula from the beginning.
29:17Salman, who are all these demands coming from?
29:22All these demands,
29:24which are limited,
29:25look, there is no law in this country,
29:27the parliament has been terminated,
29:29the judiciary has been terminated,
29:31all this is just a cover-up,
29:33it is just a chaos.
29:35The real law in this country
29:37is the law of kidnapping,
29:39that you kidnap, beat,
29:41and do whatever you want.
29:43So we are going against the law of kidnapping.
29:46Salman, you have been making these demands
29:48from the beginning,
29:50and you did not get an answer.
29:52So do you think that by showing off strength,
29:55you will be forced to talk to the establishment?
29:58It is to force them to talk to you?
30:29Salman, one last question,
30:31give me an answer.
30:33When the leaders gave speeches at the Jalsa,
30:35they said that Khans has said
30:37that whatever will happen,
30:39I will tell Ali Ameen Gandapur,
30:41and Ali Ameen Gandapur will be the sole authority
30:43as to what Khans has said,
30:45and how he has not said it.
30:47All of a sudden,
30:49Gandapur has been replaced
30:51with a special committee.
30:53Why has this happened?
30:55No, no, it is not like that.
30:57We are paying more attention to this committee
30:59than we need to.
31:01It is not like that.
31:03We are all looking at the matter together.
31:05We are moving forward with consultation.
31:07And we want a peaceful protest.
31:09We do not want to do anything wrong in the country.
31:12We want to fill the wounds in this country.
31:15We want all of us to work together
31:17for the welfare of this country.
31:19Salman, the Aini Bench
31:21which is about to start its proceedings,
31:23how many expectations do you have
31:25from the Aini Bench?
31:27There are a lot of issues
31:29and petitions.
31:31What expectations do you have
31:33from the Aini Bench
31:35when the proceedings will start?
31:37They started in 1993.
31:39It is not going to happen in 2019.
31:41How will it happen in 2024?
31:43There is no expectation.
31:45The Aini Bench was created
31:47through the 26th Aini Tarmeem
31:49so that all matters can be buried.
31:51The main objective of the Aini Bench
31:53is to bury the 26th Aini Tarmeem.
31:55The government's review
31:57is pending.
31:59It is written in the 26th Aini Tarmeem
32:01that all pending reviews
32:03will be heard by the Aini Bench.
32:05Similarly, the issue of military courts
32:07will be sent to the Aini Bench.
32:09We do not have good expectations.
32:11We will be present.
32:13We will participate in the cases.
32:15We will also debate.
32:17But as far as expectations are concerned,
32:19there is no one.
32:21The Aini Bench was created
32:23by the Supreme Court
32:25with 17 members.
32:27Will the Aini Bench
32:29have more members?
32:31Thank you very much for your time.
32:33We have left the meeting.
32:37We will take a break.
32:39After the break,
32:41we will analyze the issue.
32:43After this,
32:45how do we see this thing?
32:47Let's take a break.
32:51Welcome back to the show.
32:53We were discussing this
32:55during the break.
32:57Let's start with you.
32:59First, a one-minute analysis.
33:01What is the picture?
33:03What is the clarity of PTI?
33:05Sir, I respect them.
33:07There are some requirements of politeness.
33:09Your guest has left the meeting.
33:11You are not supposed to push him to the wall.
33:13I insist that
33:15this is a big news
33:17for Mr. Raja
33:19as much as it is for you and me.
33:21This is the 24th.
33:23Yes, the 24th.
33:25You do not have to
33:27go to Peshawar
33:29and attend the meeting.
33:31He came for you.
33:33He spoke.
33:35Secondly,
33:37despite doing all these things,
33:39the 26th amendment
33:41should be abolished.
33:43He has no objection
33:45that the current army chief
33:47should come to the meeting.
33:49This is a new news.
33:51This means that
33:53this is a new news
33:55and the army chief has come.
33:57The biggest issue is
33:59the mistrust of Ibrahim Khan
34:01and the institution.
34:03There is a belief that
34:05they will intervene
34:07if they are given a chance.
34:09Is there a message
34:11that this mistrust
34:13is misplaced and
34:15they will intervene?
34:17These two things were important
34:19that Aleema Khan did today.
34:21Firstly, this is a committee.
34:23I think Salman did not even know
34:25about the committee.
34:27This means that
34:29they are going to take a hard line.
34:31Whenever there is
34:33something underground,
34:35they have an idea
34:37about the reaction
34:39of the government.
34:41What things can happen?
34:43Do you remember
34:45a famous statement
34:47of Game of Thrones?
34:49Maryam Nawaz also said
34:51that power talks to power.
34:53Is this the same statement
34:55that we should show
34:57street power and talk to us?
34:59This is their biggest test.
35:01This is the first call
35:03that has come directly
35:05from Imran Khan
35:07on 24th November.
35:09This is their test
35:11whether they can
35:13bring lakhs of people here.
35:15I think
35:17there will be
35:19conflicts at different places.
35:21What is the hurry?
35:23Why 10 days?
35:25Imran Khan
35:27can do this
35:29because according to him
35:31all parties were saying
35:33that elections should be boycotted.
35:35He said no.
35:37Elections have to be held.
35:39They believe
35:41that people will come
35:43after resolving
35:45all the differences.
35:47This is a big test
35:49of PTI.
35:51Will they be able to bring people here?
35:53At what level?
35:55What level of conflict
35:57will there be?
35:59What level of conflict
36:01will there be?
36:03They will put the cases
36:05directly on Imran Khan.
36:07If you are going to
36:09run a do or die movement
36:11then there can be a lot of things.
36:13How severe it is
36:15and what are the results?
36:17Punjab will be unlocked
36:19after 14 days.
36:21KPC will be launched.
36:23It is their power base.
36:25Punjab will be removed in 10 days.
36:27You know that Punjab
36:29will be ruthlessly cracked down.
36:31In the next 10 days.
36:33This is what I am saying.
36:35This is what I think.
36:37Before 24th October.
36:39Sorry.
36:41Why did I say 24th October?
36:43I forgot.
36:45Before 24th November
36:47I have a feeling
36:49that
36:51one person
36:53who is being court-martialed
36:55will be judged
36:57in the next 10 days.
36:59This is what I think.
37:01Whenever I think
37:03about 24th November
37:05I think of no one
37:07other than Imran Khan.
37:09Imran Khan is
37:11well informed.
37:13We are also hearing
37:15that if there is a trial
37:17then in light of his statement
37:19Imran Khan can be named
37:21for a military trial.
37:23I am not talking about
37:25a military trial.
37:27I am talking about
37:29General Faiz.
37:31I can be entirely wrong
37:33at the end of the day.
37:35I have a feeling
37:37that
37:39before 24th November
37:41there will be a trial.
37:43I have a feeling
37:45that before 24th November
37:47there will be a trial.
37:49I am being asked
37:51to take a break.
37:53It makes a momentum
37:55so that people understand
37:57that if there is a trial
37:59then Imran Khan will be
38:01given a chance
38:03to step out
38:05and save the country.
38:07Let's take a break.
38:09After the break,
38:11I would like to add something to it.
38:13Let's take a short break.
38:15Nusrat has said something very sensitive.
38:17Let's elaborate on it after the break.
38:23Welcome back.
38:25For 10 days,
38:27the French government
38:29will fight
38:31with the establishment
38:33on one page.
38:35This protest will be different.
38:37Crores of rupees will be needed.
38:39The government resources
38:41will be back-up in KP.
38:43Thousands of people
38:45are suffering in Punjab and Sindh.
38:47All this is practically
38:49possible in 10 days.
38:51No matter how much anger
38:53and support there is,
38:55we have covered rallies
38:57and movements all our lives.
39:01KP is charged.
39:03It is charged.
39:05The main focus
39:07will be on KP.
39:09The smoke situation
39:11in Punjab
39:13and the possibility
39:15of crackdown
39:17in the next 10 days.
39:19The government of Marian Nawaz
39:21will be ruthless.
39:23They will stop
39:25the elections in Sindh.
39:27They will hold rallies
39:29in Balochistan.
39:31This will be the
39:33real fight.
39:35We have to see
39:37the nature of the fight.
39:39Will it be a simple rally
39:41or will it be something else?
39:43I think
39:45this call
39:47will not be
39:49a normal march.
39:51The situation
39:53on both sides
39:55is very difficult for us.
39:57Is it a call of desperation
39:59or overconfidence?
40:01Imran's confidence
40:03is that people will come out.
40:05He has confidence
40:07that if he gives a call
40:09for a day, people will come
40:11to vote.
40:13But on the ground,
40:15the people sitting
40:17in the room
40:19are not talking to each other.
40:21How will the party
40:23run it?
40:25I think the committee
40:27is more likely
40:29to include people
40:31who are not with us.
40:33They have a different direction.
40:35Hammad Azhar
40:37and
40:39Ali Amin
40:41are two groups.
40:43What will the government
40:45do?
40:47Will the government
40:49let the protests happen?
40:51Absolutely not.
40:53I think it will be a survival issue.
40:55Regardless of the level of
40:57confrontation.
40:59Listen to me.
41:01The love of the family
41:03has decreased.
41:05They have done everything
41:07and in the end
41:09they have to realize
41:11that the year is not over yet.
41:13This is a very
41:15interesting situation.
41:17Mr. Shabaz Sharif
41:19called his brother
41:21and
41:23he
41:25just
41:27waited for the year to end.
41:29Don't do this.
41:31If there is
41:33a confrontation,
41:35God forbid,
41:37both will win.
41:39The opposition will win
41:41and the crowd will be charged.
41:43Will the government
41:45cut Imran Khan?
41:47It will be a volatile situation.
41:49The simple thing is
41:51that the protests in the past
41:53were very clear.
41:55There was a tricot.
41:57It was clear that
41:59the President can take action
42:01to send the Prime Minister home.
42:03The establishment and judiciary
42:05were on the same page.
42:07The situation here
42:09is very different.
42:11The situation here
42:13is very different.
42:19According to Mr. Khan,
42:21the government does not exist.
42:23What is a government?
42:25The people you are going
42:27to fight with,
42:29what strategy
42:31will they make?
42:33What are they thinking?
42:35I feel that
42:37this is not 1977.
42:39This is not 1977.
42:41The ultimate result of 1977.
42:43Can I say one thing?
42:45Imran Khan
42:47clearly gave his history.
42:49You heard Secretary General
42:51and he agreed with both.
42:53Do you think that
42:55the party knows
42:57how to act?
42:59Raja Sahib had
43:01a standard cover for everything.
43:03There were pertinent
43:05and relevant questions.
43:07I can't tell you what's going on inside.
43:09You don't think there is clarity?
43:11No.
43:11What do you think?
43:13Party is Imran Khan. Imran Khan is party.
43:16The call has come from Imran Khan.
43:18So people will try to get out of PTI's comfort zone.
43:22Okay. We have totally run out of time.
43:24Thank you both very much for listening to us.
43:26We will leave today's analysis with you.
43:28Goodbye.