In a solo episode, Andrew shares what's most troubling to him about the Patriots' 1-3 start and how the defense got out-coached again, then shares all his Pats-49ers notes, What Would NFL Films say, travel tales from San Francisco and mailbag answers.
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00:00Okay, so the good news is by the time you listen to or watch this, you are further removed
00:18from the Patriots losing 30 to 13 in San Francisco than I am right now recording Monday night.
00:24Recording after a red eye flight, recording after watching 11 hours of film and then writing
00:29that up. The 11 hours is over the writing and the watching. It's not exaggerated. That
00:33was the total. That stunk as much as you might think. And sitting here going, okay, how do
00:37we want to open this episode? Because there's a lot that went wrong obviously in a game
00:40that was 30 to 13 and you watched it home and I did in the press box going, this could
00:45have been 40 to 3 and you wouldn't have blinked twice. That's how bad it was. And we could
00:50go down the same path we've done lately. Pass protection. Patriots gave up a hit or a hurry,
00:57which includes sacks. When you get the hit 51.2% of the time, not great, still bad, still
01:02worst in the NFL. Or we can do the quarterback conversation. Think right. I wrote about this
01:06half of the game. You know where I stand. Probably Lester knew. Hello. I want Drake
01:11made us it. And it's for the simple reason that the future of the franchise, in my opinion
01:16deserves better than the worst past protecting offensive line in the league.
01:20Maybe that makes me crazy. I want to give him a chance to get the ball off. That's what
01:24I want. And I can wait a couple of weeks if the Patriots get a little healthier or
01:28they can develop certain players like Leighton Robinson, who was brutal at right guard opposite
01:33city. So who came back, had some rough moments. Oh, and David Andrews, the man in charge of
01:37calling out all the protections got hurt with a shoulder injury. And this is a dude who
01:40never misses games. I want to wait. I said, no, I don't really want to do that. By the
01:45way, that's pretty much all we're going to talk about. Drake made today. What I want
01:48to start with is the defense because we are going to get to the offense, the defense.
01:53We need to talk our usual staple segments. And what would NFL film say? Travel tales
01:57from San Francisco has promised. And then your mailbag answers. But we had two defenders
02:01talk today on the radio. Jabril Peppers and Devon Gottschall both saying the same thing
02:06in different ways in a way that on the surface is alarming because they're calling out teammates
02:11for quote being selfish and not playing within the team concept, which on its surface, again,
02:17it's like a little alarming.
02:18You're not used to players being as honest with the media, particularly in negative critical
02:22setting. Oh, my God, what does it mean? I don't really care if their teammates can take
02:27the honesty. If they're saying that to their teammates behind closed doors, as they are
02:30to strangers on the radio, then that's fine. Those teammates know the coaches know everybody
02:35knows. It's just unusual, of course, as we all get used to the post-ballot check era,
02:39the people outside the building know. The second part is, though, this is a defense
02:44that, as you know, if you made a list of the top players in this team, somewhere on that
02:49list were Matt Judon, Christian Barmore, Kyle Duggar and Juwan Bentley. None of them.
02:55Played after the first quarter on Sunday and only one of them, Kyle Duggar, even played
02:59on Sunday. So this is a defense missing, not just some of the best players on that side
03:03of the ball, but some of the best players in this entire team. And now you have some
03:08breakdowns and finger pointing when it's not just that the players left over are guys like
03:12Eric Johnson.
03:13Oh, and Del Pettis and Rayquan McMillan is playing like 88 percent of the snaps. It's
03:17the fact that this defense, before we get to October, because this is still Monday night,
03:23September 30th, is bottom 10 in DVOA, bottom 10 in EPA, below average in points allowed,
03:29below average in yards allowed per play and just snuck up above in turnovers force per
03:34game. But Monday night football still going on. Maybe they maybe they get to hold that
03:37spot above average turnover forcing team. Great. Cool. It's one per game. This defense
03:43is in a worse spot than I ever expected it to be, particularly this early.
03:47And I know what the schedule was. And I expected them to be healthier and they haven't been.
03:51And we'll see what happens with Kyle Duggar. Duane Bentley sounds like he's going to be
03:53out for the year. Christian Barmore, you have to think so as well. But if this defense can't
03:58hold up its end of the bargain like it did last year, being partnered with the worst
04:03offense in the league, the Patriots are in some serious trouble.
04:07And it's not just the injuries. It's not just the defense might not be able to carry the
04:10water given the roster that it is right now and that they've been out coached three straight
04:14times. It's at the talent as a whole is only getting worse. And the talent is the town.
04:20There's nothing really to be done at this point. Like Doug, I advocated for them to
04:23sign somebody, a warm body at left tackle Charles Leno, your Donovan Smith, DJ Humphrey,
04:30someone off the street.
04:31That's not Demetri Jacob. So we'll fast forward. I'll have five pressures and got a lot of
04:35help versus Nick Boles in the first half. Give it one pressure. Didn't get a lot of
04:39help in the second half of San Francisco. Gave up for including a sack. And so the Patriots
04:44in my mind, not just because of the injuries, mostly because of the talent, but also because
04:49they're being out coach or in a dire situation right now.
04:53And they could dig their way out of it, right? Two of their next three games are against
04:56Miami and Jacksonville, beatable football teams. But this is not a September freakout.
05:02These are trends that are building in a way that you get edged in critical situations
05:06against Seattle. Defensively, you get outplayed now coached by the Jets. You have extra time
05:10to prepare for San Francisco. Granted, NFC champions loaded with talent. They were healthier
05:15than expected. George Kittle played Debo. Samuel played handoff. Mike, you already blew
05:18that last episode, but they out coach you too.
05:22And here's the starting point. The Patriots sold out to stop the run against the Shanahan
05:26office. Make sense on the surface, right? Here's the thing. That insistence on stopping
05:33the run in their minds, based on the personnel and how they wanted to match San Francisco
05:37when they're rolling out, sometimes two tight ends and mostly two backs. And sometimes they'll
05:41go no backs, two tight ends, three receivers. But one of them is really Debo Samuel and
05:46he's going to play running back on the way it goes for a carry for eight yards and then
05:48six was we're going to play base defense.
05:51We're going to be big. We're going to stop the run and we're going to hold you to a respectable.
05:56I think it's 3.9 yards per carry. It was 2.2 when they were base defense before garbage
06:01time. So mission accomplished, right? No, the Patriots were so stubborn about stopping
06:05the run against Kyle Shanahan who said, oh, okay. First drive. When I throw out all those
06:09different packages with two tight ends and two running backs and no running backs and
06:14two tight ends and three receivers, and you're just going to play big.
06:18That's fine by me because when I want to throw the ball, I'm going to average more than 16
06:23yards per drop back, which is exactly what San Francisco did. Their five longest gains
06:27came when the Patriots said, we're going to load up with three defensive linemen and
06:31four linebackers play old school, three, four defense. And then I just threw it over the
06:36top of them. There are five longest gains came against that defense with the Patriots
06:39played 60% of the time and they adjusted late third quarter starting to play more three
06:43safety nickel.
06:44And if Kyle Duggar was healthy, maybe they play some more three safety to guard against
06:48the passes that just go straight over their heads. And this is the big thing, right? The
06:53Patriots we know can't overcome turnovers on offense. They can't really overcome explosive
06:57plays on defense because their offense can't generate them themselves. And so San Francisco
07:03goes ahead and doesn't average a ton on the ground. They're fine with that. That's the
07:08point of a Shanahan offense. Brian Hoyer, it's been on the record about this as, Hey,
07:11they're going to run it 30 times, not to go for 200 yards, but to ensure that when they
07:16run play action or different actions off of that, they're going to hit you successfully
07:21over the top, which the Niners did four passes longer than 30 yards.
07:26And that excludes two touchdowns. They had nullified by penalty. So they go up 20 to
07:31three at halftime. They get a touchdown on their first drive of the second half and it's
07:35just completely out of control. And so the Patriots, great, you load it up. You played
07:41a lot of three, four defense and injuries again, played a factor in that. But this is
07:44the third straight week that I look and go dry Mayo and DeMarcus Covington got outcoached
07:49and the Niners stole elements of what the Jets did. The Jets did this to them as well.
07:52They played 21 snaps of this base defense against the Jets. We're going to stop the
07:56run and we're going to trust our one-on-one matchups outside. And the weird thing is unlike
08:00Aaron Rodgers going 13 of 16 against man coverage last week, the Patriots held up one-on-one
08:07against Brandon Iuke, Debo Samuel, Juwan Jennings, and George Kittle really well.
08:11They openly came up two completions in man-to-man coverage, but this game plan, this stubbornness,
08:15this insistence, and we're going to stop the run in this modern era of more lighter
08:19personnel and two high coverages, which offenses are responding by running more and running
08:23into those light boxes hurt them because the Niners got exactly what they wanted. And once
08:28Kyle Shanahan saw for that first drive, Oh, if I just stay in bigger personnel, two backs
08:32or tight ends, you're going to play three, four. I'm going to carve you up. And they
08:37did again, 16 yards per drop back. Whenever the Patriots were in this three, four base
08:43personnel, it's a problem. Not only because of the injuries, that's because of the overall
08:47talent and the offense that you're dealing with, but the coaching right now is not giving
08:51them an advantage. And the less talent you have, the more coaching matters. Now, speaking
08:56of coaching offense, of course, it's not going to get off the hook. Alex van Pelt we'll just
09:01get in the whole offense right now. Did have a quick passing game. Bravo. Finally, a plan
09:07that says we need to get the ball out within two and a half seconds because we're going
09:11to give up pressure in that time or less. And what did Jacoby percent do? Well, he had
09:16his worst game of his, his entire Patriots 10, uh, 19 to 32, 168 yards, touchdown in
09:23a pick six. Those numbers are really inflated by one 50 yard catch and run. Then Antonio
09:28Gibson had in the fourth quarter, throw it out. No one cares. Patriots didn't even score
09:32in that drive. So really he's something like 18 to 31 or 118 yards, touchdown and a pick.
09:38The issue was not that Jacoby preset had one pass completed longer than 10 yards through
09:45the air, which he did. It was at his mistakes under pressure, which we documented here right
09:49in the space where he's only allowing pressure 14% of the time. Anytime he's hurried or hit
09:54to result in sacks, he was disastrous under pressure. Five of 13 for 92 yards, the pick
10:02six in six sacks. Now I only attributed two of those sacks to him, but the weird thing
10:08was he was good against the blitz when he needed to get it out. He was seven of 11 boom.
10:14There it was. He did take a couple of sacks, but he held onto the ball too long. And part
10:18of this was the short passing game that Alex van Pelt designed was very static. There's
10:24not a lot of motion. Like you could see how often guys were shifting, trading motion and
10:28going across the line of scrimmage, coming back, um, jet motion before the staff for
10:33the Niners. How many times you see that for the Patriots? Now we're not going to confuse
10:37here activity with productivity, something I think the media does a whole lot when we
10:41talk about motion, but there's a reason some of the best offices, the league like San Francisco
10:47annually use this much motion is to get an advantage either to get bad eyes on defense,
10:52to get a numbers advantage going in a certain direction with the running game and the Patriots
10:56just don't do this. And you can use this to get a numbers advantage in the passing
10:59game, by the way, but instead you are having death by a thousand three yard curls, which
11:04Casey Osborne came up empty on twice because the Niners corners go, Oh, you're going to
11:09stop there. Cool. I'll back this one away for you. And it happened over and over again.
11:14And so I don't know how much is that is going to change. Cause when they hired van Pelt,
11:18I told you, you go back 10 years to the Mike McCarthy Packers and whenever they were at
11:23their best, that was an offense at one on talent. Those were a lot of isolation routes.
11:29You didn't have a whole lot of motion. You didn't have a lot of route concepts that made
11:32it easier on the receivers and the quarterbacks, which again, that's coaching. That's the stuff
11:37that you need when you don't have the talent to throw it up to Jordy Nelson or Devante
11:41Adams or Greg Jennings, or it's not Aaron Rogers holding the ball.
11:45We know that's not the case here with Alex van Pelt, who spent most of his time in the
11:49last 15 years in green Bay. That was his longest day of there or Buffalo or Tampa or
11:54Cincinnati or Cleveland. Okay. That's where he's coming from. That's where all this old
11:58school West coast stuff, uh, is in the Patriots playbook from. Okay. And there are some RPOs
12:03from Cleveland, some adjustments, but the drills and the concepts, the beliefs underpinning
12:06all this are from green Bay. And right now that isolation is costing them. It's also
12:11costing them that I'm, I'm concerned. I don't know this for a fact that Jacoby percent when
12:16he's under pressure, we just talked about how much of a disaster he was. This might
12:22be having a compound effect because we know Jacoby percent was much better under pressure
12:28and weeks one or two, and maybe it's randomness. Maybe it's just games like this happen and
12:32he'll bounce back and it's Miami. I don't know. But what I do know last year, when I
12:37saw a quarterback under a ton of pressure and weeks one and two competitive games for
12:41the Patriots, then goes onto the road to the jets and struggles.
12:45And then in week four has a complete disaster that includes a pick six makes everyone go,
12:49Oh, they're not who we thought they were. Yeah. Last year that was Mack Jones in Dallas.
12:54This year it's Jacoby percent in San Francisco and the pressure is much worse. So I warned
13:00you that enough pressure is going to break any quarterback and you might be, Oh, good.
13:04Well, we'll start Drake may, well, how soon do you think it'll take for Drake may if a
13:08nine year veteran under this much pressure is suddenly throwing pick sixes can't see
13:13the middle of the field, right? And taking sacks left and right. How long is it going
13:17to take for may to possibly break under the pressure? I don't want to find out. And I
13:20hope I'm wrong. I hope this is not a compound effect. This is not additive. Did you go to
13:24your percent? Just had a bad game, but we don't know yet. And we might not get to know
13:28if the Patriots continue to let their offensive line crumble, which they just can't have.
13:34What else they can't have a reminder. Stevenson, can we hold onto the freaking football? This
13:39is getting, it's getting very ranty. We're not going to do ranty the whole time. We have,
13:42we have good San Francisco stories coming up, but can I just say that one of the best
13:46running backs on planet earth has now fumbled in a fourth straight game. That's a statistic
13:52you don't have at the high school level. It's certainly not acceptable there. And yet he
13:57sits out one drive and then bring it back. He should have been benched until at least
14:01halftime. And I'm down with the more player friendly accepting partnership type approach
14:06of the coaching staff. That's just knowing how to connect and reach the modern player.
14:10You can still be tough on them. Players were back today after getting in at 4am, by the
14:13way, for mandatory running on Mondays. How nice of a workplace does that sound to you?
14:19Not great to me. Anyway, reminder, Stevenson, you, you just can't have it. Not at all. Uh,
14:24that also goes hand in hand as far as the can't have a category with the protection.
14:28Here's the breakdown. When I went down and said, okay, who had this sack, that quarterback
14:32hit, hurry, yada, yada, the Monterey Jacobs, fourth, new starting left tackle in four weeks.
14:38This dude is going to get a lot of grace from me. I hope he does not start much longer
14:41because they just don't think he's equipped. I had him down for five pressures, a sack,
14:45two hits, two hurries, laid Robinson. Similarly, five pressures, a sack, two hits, two hurries.
14:52Michael went and had three Jacobi preset. The victim ran into two sacks on his own city
14:57South two pressures, Nick Lebert, the backup center for David Andrews, who left after the
15:00first drive. And then two sacks in the team were just the blitz got there so quickly.
15:05There are no outlets. It's nobody's fault. Just better defense against crappy offense.
15:10When you look out wide, Jalen Polk, finally, suddenly just starting, this dude is taking
15:16a ton of reps. 84% of the offensive snaps. He had more targets than anybody else. He
15:21got targets deep. He got targets in the intermediate range. He got targets shallow. Good. I don't
15:26have any reason really left. The Taekwon Thornton should be seeing significant snaps and lucky
15:31me or you or both of us. He played a season low snaps against the 49ers and it might go
15:39down to zero because Keisha booty came off the bench and had a catch.
15:42Okay. Is making some kind of an impact because right now, reminder, Stevenson has more fumbles
15:46than Taekwon Thornton does catches this entire season. So it's hard to make an argument there.
15:52Tight ends are what they are. I will say this though. I think they deserve some more snaps
15:57because when you look at the personnel groupings and the success rate, this is mostly a commentary
16:01on, okay, when the Patriots have to pass, we know they stink at it and the receivers
16:04they have are not very good. Their success rate when they played with three receivers,
16:08the most common grouping in this game and the previous three was 26% meaning three out
16:15of every four plays.
16:16Just forget about it. You're not getting enough yards. You're not getting what you want out
16:20of that play design. When they go to two tight ends, that's much closer to 50 in certain
16:24games it's been over 50. So I know that aside from their wives and their immediate families,
16:29no one's getting really excited to see Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper on the field at the
16:33same time. But the statistics would tell you that's when this offense is at its best. And
16:37the upside for this too, is you think about all the pressure that the Patriots have, that
16:41they're giving up, you're playing with two tight ends.
16:45That makes it a lot easier to say, oh, Hunter Henry, before you go run the seam or into
16:48the flat or a little stick route or whatever it might be, chip Nick Bosa, because that's
16:52what he was doing. There were some double teams for Demontre Jacobs early in the game.
16:56Jacobs gave up four pressures after halftime. It was a disaster. But if that's your starting
17:00point, that's your base offense, which I think they want to do. Great. Now, of course, it brings
17:04into the Mario Douglas conversation. This dude again, just shut out, only play 58% of the snaps,
17:10despite the fact of playing a ton of 11 personnel. I don't get it. That's another point. I'm not
17:15going to argue with myself anymore. I'm either making a mistake. You should have him outside,
17:19bring him into tighter split. So he's basically in the slot in these two tight end sets and let
17:24him go to work over the middle of the field. They're not doing it. I don't know what else to
17:28say. The last thing I will say is actually positive. Speaking of Austin Hooper, great
17:33play call fourth and one third quarter, right? They get the ball back. It's 20 to three opening
17:38kickoff. There's a fumble. They go to fourth and one garage should have gone for it on fourth down
17:42fourth and three. When they're in plus territory at the start of the game, you're a 10 and a half
17:45point underdog. You'll get those points. They don't, they punt this time, play actual rollout
17:50the whole freaking stadium thought that they were going to run the ball. They didn't well done by
17:54Alex van Pelt per set in Austin Hooper. Maybe the only time you could have said that for all three
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19:26we covered a lot of this already. Um, and it's, it's tough because you just don't have a whole
19:33lot of options here that you love right now. Right? Like this is a team that is relying on
19:37Devon God show and Daniel equality play 70% of the snaps. And by the time that they're done playing
19:42first down and second down, they're looking for a breather on third down. And these are giant
19:46human beings. They deserve that. But instead they have to go provide a pass rush. So aside from the
19:50fact that Kyle Shanahan looked and said, Oh, you're going to play base defense. Let me throw
19:55it over the top. The issue was they never got any real pressure. And that pressure rate of 23%
20:02was not good enough against Brock. Purdue took one sack. Fun fact about that sack.
20:07It took more than nine seconds. I had enough time to clip this today,
20:13post it to Twitter, set it to yakety sacks. And I blew it. I should've said Patriots yakety
20:18sacked or Brock Purdy yakety sacked by the Patriots and I didn't do it. And Brock Purdy
20:23for whatever reason, just lost his freaking mind in the biggest pocket of the day. Anyway,
20:27that was the only sack the Patriots had. Josh Uche played 40 stamps, zero pressures.
20:32Keone White had more blown edges than he did pressures. We said last week, Mike Giardi,
20:38Keone White has a bad game. Can the Patriots win? No, he had a bad game. He lost two edges
20:43to lead to Brock Purdy scrambles that led to a first down to the first drive.
20:47They went at him on a 16 yard run in the first quarter. George Kittle turned him aside.
20:54There went George Mason and there was George Kittle fist pumping that he handled Keone White
20:58on the edge. Interesting. He'll get a race and that's part of it. But Keone White was also
21:02targeted in a 10 yard run. Like this was a bad day for the defensive line granted against a good
21:07old line for the 49ers. But Keone White, we go back to comments about Jabril Peppers and
21:12Devon Gotchow saying guys were playing selfish and not fitting in the team concept. Keone White's
21:17my number one pick in a draft of who could that be? Number two is Josh Uche. So aside from the
21:23lack of pass rush and the three, four personnel, but I did like at least about this game plan,
21:28Christian Gonzalez did not shadow anybody. They stuck him in the boundary. He gave up one catch
21:32for 10 yards to Brandon. I, that was it. The Patriots played a lot of zone. It was a 70, 30
21:37split zone in man. And they played a lot of quarters because they didn't do a ton of, they
21:42don't do a ton of really even going back to of course, Belichick. And the best example really,
21:47which paired with how they ran their front, which were a lot of five man friends, a lot of six man
21:51fronts was a Super Bowl against the Rams. You remember that, right? Playing quarters coverage
21:55in the back. And there are, there are a lot of variations of quarters. So when people says,
21:58Oh, is that cover for like, yes, sometimes, but not always you get some man principles in here
22:02and you make different checks and adjustments based on not just the formation, but whatever
22:06you want to do with quarters, corners play deep safeties, play deep Patriots are just eyeing these
22:14deep crossing routes. Meanwhile, the whole front, again, you get a six man front with one linebacker
22:19or a five man front with two off ball linebackers. They're committed to the run for deep defenders,
22:24two deep safeties, two deep corners. That's the version of quarters they played most often.
22:28I don't think it really worked great, but I understood the idea behind it. The issue again
22:33was they committed to stopping the run so much that I think that they instead played with three
22:37safeties. Hell stick Marcus Jones back at free safety and let your bro peppers and Jalen Hawkins
22:42come down to the box. Even if you get five to six yards to carry off of me, I'm not giving up
22:4752 yards, 38 yards, 45 yards, and 32 yards, which they did when they were in base defense
22:55quarters or not playing with just four defensive backs. That was my issue there.
22:59The other thing about this, this defensive performance, Kyle Shanahan before he said,
23:04oh, okay, you're going to play base defense. We'll just, we'll just throw it at the top
23:08said, I think you suck at setting the edge. And I think you're slow. So he ran the ball
23:1417 times in a row from the start of the game outside all of the Niners for 17 play calls on
23:21the ground where outside zone or toss concepts. That's it. You can go back and watch this for
23:26yourself. It goes all the way until the middle of the third quarter. They're forcing the Patriots
23:30again and again and again and again to set the edge because Anthony Jennings is out.
23:35You stunk in this department against the jets. Okay. We run a similar issue offense to what
23:40they're doing with New York. So we'll put Demo Samuel running back and then we'll give it to
23:44Jordan Mason and we'll just keep going outside zone and outside zone and the toss concept here.
23:48They even scored on outside zone four yards. Jordan Mason was untouched there in the third
23:53quarter. Oh, also running at Josh Uche. So when you're not getting pressure, you handle the edge
23:59well enough. And again, they gave up two and just under two and a half yards per carry when they
24:03were in base defense up until the last drive, which no one cares. It was 27 to 30 to 13.
24:08Like that's a good job, but it came at the expense of your past defense, which in my opinion is much
24:13more valuable than what you were trying to deny on the ground. Uh, in the back end, we also saw
24:18some changes. Again, Kyle Duggar goes out. So Jalen Hawkins is in. It seems like they really
24:22did not want to play Del Pettis and I get that. He's a, he's an undrafted rookie. He only played
24:26seven snaps. They did, however, feel okay playing Marco Wilson, who we know played weeks one and two
24:31as your third outside corner got flagged for DPI in both of those games and then kind of rode the
24:35bench against the jets. He was back. He played around 30 snaps. Jonathan Jones dealing with a
24:40shoulder injury. Wilson did have a pass breakup. Uh, he was fine overall. Good day for the secondary.
24:46And that's the best thing I can say about this defense because the tackling was better.
24:49Pass rush was gone. Run defense is fine, but it's just, it's, that's not the point here.
24:53Brock Purdy had 3.62 seconds on average over three and a half seconds for snap to throw.
24:59It's passing league that matters more, but in the secondary, this is the good part.
25:05Purdy went two of nine for 22 yards and a touchdown against main coverage.
25:09Like if I'm the Patriots and I get to play the Niners again next Sunday,
25:12you know what I'm doing a lot more of playing more man coverage.
25:14And I'm probably blitzing a little bit more because they blitzed only 20% of the time.
25:18That was the lowest rate of any game this season. And the Niners had a 50% success rate,
25:23but you got to them and had some effect with a new pressure design that had two throwaways.
25:29Granted there was one touchdown, but George Kittle made a catch and triple coverage.
25:32Like at some point, okay, congrats. Like a hat tip. You won. That's what it is.
25:38Some success, just not enough. Uh, we'll wrap here. Special teams, Joey Sly. How about this?
25:43I pulled up Pat McAfee show where we just clap when we say someone's name. That's the segment.
25:48Um, 63 yard kick. I didn't know this when it happened. Longest in Patriots history.
25:54Then he gets, he gets drug tested today. Also had a 54 yarder best player in the field. Not great
25:59when it's between him and Bryce Barringer, the punter who had all four puns inside the 20 yard
26:02line. Marcus Jones, 13 yard return average. Cool. Christian Ellis forced to fumble in the opening
26:07kickoff at the second half. Thumbs up for special teams, thumbs down for everybody else. But here's
26:13the thing. You know, it's the NFL. After we go through all of those stats and all of those things
26:19that went poorly and the coaching decisions, why I think the Patriots are really in a bad spot.
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27:49Game time. What would NFL film say? Ooh, boy. So for folks who are new, this is a segment where
27:56we like to pretend there's a documentary. I don't know why I always say it like that,
28:00probably because it's late and I was on a documentary, a documentary, NFL films production.
28:07What would they say as a recapping the season as we go game by game by game in real time?
28:11The last time we did the segment, I said, they're not spending any time on this. It's a Patriots
28:15special. The Jets beat the crap out of them. No one producing this goes, yeah, let's spend a lot
28:21of time on that game. You know what they're saying about this one? The same thing. Okay.
28:2630 to 13, giving up bombs, giving up catches and triple coverage, throwing a pick six like the
28:32Fred Warner one is going to be early. I think we'll probably see the touchdown run at the end.
28:36Q to Gerard Mayo disappointed at the press conference. Jacoby still our quarterback.
28:41Boom. We're off to the Miami game. That's it. Whatever happens against Miami,
28:45because it's a divisional opponent and it's at home and who knows, maybe it leads to Drake
28:48Mays next appearance, either an injury relief or a backup coming on or starting against Houston.
28:53I don't know. I certainly hope it's not injury relief. Jacoby Brissett is taking a pounding.
28:57That man is still somehow in one piece. But the point is this, this crew, this documentary is
29:02going to spend a lot more time on the next team than this one, because it was bad for the Patriots
29:06and bad for Patriots and bad for business. If you're making a documentary about them.
29:11So we have travel stories and then we get, we get to your mailbag and we'll get out of here.
29:16So this was a unique week. Doug and I travel as you'd imagine. Same time, same place when we're
29:24going on the road. He got tickets mid Friday. So we actually missed press conference locker room,
29:31wrote about it on the plane. We landed in SFO around three, three 30 and took a red eye home.
29:36As I just told you, Sunday night. So you get two nights, right? One before the game,
29:39one after the game, we said it'd just be easier if we get home, can work. I'm like,
29:43sure, this is perfect. I'll get home and do the pod. So we get in Friday and SFO is like half
29:48hour South of the city. We're hitting some traffic. We get in. And there are a couple
29:52of things that stand out right away. Number one is you get into the hills in the heart of San
29:57Francisco, where I've not been since college. So anyone in the West coast, Carlos, who's going to
30:00get an answer to his mailbag question, lives in the Bay area, fan of the show. Do not correct me.
30:05I understand where I'm coming from, but the first thought I had was number one,
30:09how did they drive here in the thirties? Because we're going up hills and you could not see the
30:13top. You can't even see near the top. Okay. My second thought is going through some neighborhoods.
30:18Maybe the Fox news dads were right. And I don't know which comedian I'm ripping off when I say
30:23that, but like, Ooh, I'm glad it was a daytime and we were driving. It's just some rough stretches
30:27of town, but we were going to North beach, which is the furthest point. If you're coming from the
30:32South and you're still in the main part of the city, Fisherman's wharf, you can see the golden
30:36gate bridge Alcatraz. It's all right there. So we get in past them self-driving cars. First time
30:41I'd seen those ever small things spinning on the sides of Waymo's one big on the top. You would
30:46think this was just like the Google maps cars that are getting a layout of, you know, wherever
30:50they're driving around to update on Google maps, except that there are too many of them. And Oh,
30:53by the way, Callahan, they're self-driving cars, not Google cars. So we get in my back had killed
30:59me, uh, the entire flight over, which is not to say I'm any older than the 33 years old that I
31:04actually am, but broke a couple of lumbar vertebrae when I was young. And so this happens from time
31:08to time. I say, Doug, I'm just going to chill here, uh, and catch up on some work expenses,
31:12whatever. So Friday night, get some food ordered. He goes to dinner with an old boss of his at
31:16Nesson. And the reason I bring that up is because as I'm doing expenses and eating takeout and
31:22watching Miami, Virginia tech, I'm going, okay, so I'm going to do travel tales for my next podcast.
31:28I can't really lead off with, I'm having a Chipotle bowl and I can bring up that.
31:32I know the Virginia tech head coach. Cause he used to coach at Penn state where I used to work
31:37and went to a clinic of his Brent price. Good guy. Cause if they lose what they did,
31:40that's not a great story. So Doug texts me and goes, Hey, do you want to go to the giants game
31:45tonight? And I already had tickets to go with Chris Mason and Mark Daniels, the mass live
31:49the next day on Saturday. But I go, yes, the podcast cannot start like this. So thankfully
31:55his old boss, he's a guy who loves to say, you know, Hey, I'll make a call. Well, he made a call.
32:01I took an Uber. We go there middle of the game seats for free. We're in the first baseline.
32:06Watch like the last five, six innings of Cardinals giants crowds. Awesome. Which is secondary to the
32:11park is awesome. I had never been, I'm going to still call it pack bell. It's my 22nd different
32:16ballpark, but it's not just the setting. It's not just the Bay in the back. It's not just
32:23how everything looks in layout. It was to use a word, the vibe of it. Like this was relaxed
32:31West coast baseball, but in a way that you could feel that people cared and know, by the way,
32:34if you're looking out to center field, it's as if you took, you know, I would say upgraded version
32:40of Camden yards, which everyone loves and just put it on the ocean. What is not to love about
32:44all that? Nothing. The answer is nothing. So we go to the game. Um, they lose to the Cardinals,
32:50despite one guy behind us shouting with all his might that Paul Goldschmidt suck and was a bump.
32:55Um, we go back, wake up the next morning, walk around Fisherman's wharf, get a quick workout in,
33:01uh, get some breakfast. And so at this point, we're trying to connect with, uh, Mark and Doug.
33:06And so I said, I'm going to go to the, um, or Mark and Chris. And so I'm like, okay, well,
33:10I'm going to go to the park. I'm going to get a beer and I'll meet you guys inside. And so I
33:15scooter over there, get to the bar, high dive bar, shout out them right in the water. Cause
33:21I'm basically going for like, if it's a peninsula, I'm in North beach, go all the way to the right
33:24and come down to South beach, which is not, it's not South beach of Miami of course, but I'm just
33:29along the coast, catching the sites again, not like the heart and the Hills of San Francisco.
33:33This, this, this bar is a 12 minute walk up the shore from the ballpark. It's like a Drake's 1500
33:39pale ale. Never had this before. Very crisp. Very, very good. There's a dude in the corner
33:43wearing a Ted Williams Jersey. So I'm like, okay, I'll take a shot. Like it's some investment to
33:47get a Ted Williams Jersey. It's very, very specific. I'm sure he's from Boston. Maybe
33:50he's going to the game. So go up. Hey, love the Jersey. Where are you from? What's it to you?
33:55Like, okay. He's definitely from Boston. Oh, so you're from Boston. Never heard of it. Well,
34:01okay. I'll see you later. Just nothing to do with me. All the beer in front of the conversation.
34:08That's cool. So down the beer start to walk towards the park. It's one o'clock game local
34:12time. And again, I'm like, okay, I got to update the stories, which to date granted have not been
34:16the most scintillating here is the most scintillating of the stories as I'm entering into
34:21my phone. What do I want to say for travel tales? I look up and think, okay, who spiked that pale
34:28ale? Cause what I'm seeing is obviously not, not real. There's a naked man on the bike going by.
34:34There's a naked man behind him on a bike. Now going by there's a third and fourth and fifth.
34:39There is a parade of nudist, nude cyclists going by me in broad daylight in a major city. And you
34:47could be like some of the folks who aren't, I mentioned, Oh, it's California. Oh, it's San
34:50Francisco. I don't know, man. I didn't have a problem with it. Wasn't my favorite site,
34:55but like people can live their lives and that's cool. I'm just going to sit there and be like,
34:59what is going on? And that's exactly what happened. People are taking photos and videos.
35:03Not my thing. Anyway, you Google this apparently happens fairly often. And, uh, even when it's
35:10cold out, which it was not, but I'll leave that there. And, uh, anyway, that took a second to
35:15shake off. We go to the game. We sit in the left field, left field box, not box left field, upper
35:20deck, which I will say for the record, best upper deck outfield seats I've ever had any ballpark,
35:26maybe any sporting event. Again, looking out at the Bay, looking down at the game, perfect weather,
35:32wind setting, everything, uh, had a tumor, which is a, not an actual tumor. This is the beer
35:38Pilsner apparently, uh, Germany's most decorated awarded Pilsner, uh, which is on draft. They're
35:44excellent. But yeah, most awarded German style Pilsner beer. Um, we go to a place across the
35:49street, watch Alabama, Georgia that gets out of hand. We go back close to the hotel. Doug picks
35:53this up, but it's called when a Vista and this is where the night ends. First of all, not only
35:57do they claim to have invented Irish coffee, which was freaking delicious. And they put this kind of
36:02like heavy cream on top. I don't know what's in there, but you've got guys behind the bar who are
36:07like, I'd imagine these outfits are from the twenties. What do I know? I'm like living the
36:11twenties now, but you I'm talking a hundred years ago, they have a framed polo supposedly donated
36:19by Hunter S Thompson, but also a TV only reserved for big games. So Georgia comes back from something
36:26like 33 to nothing. We're going, Hey, do you mind if we flip this on? They go, no, this is only for
36:31big, big games like the Superbowl. I go, okay, well like top five matchup. Is there any way we
36:36can jewel you? Like, here's, you know, 20 that we can make this happen. No, we can't do it. Well,
36:40we put the game naturally on one of our phones as we're playing guys, naming dudes, name of college.
36:46Everyone gets 10 seconds. You got to name a player from this college or you're out and go around and
36:49around and around small crowd watching the end of Bama, Georgia. Awesome. Around us. Uh, Bama wins
36:55crazy play. I have to go to bed at this point because it's eight 30, wake up the next day.
36:59We drive an hour from Fisherman's wharf, uh, in the city, go to the stadium. Not my favorite
37:05kind of basic. You can tell us newer, um, another brilliant day for just sports outside, but
37:11yeah, like we, we drove into an office park to get there and like route wants no picnic,
37:16but I think you at least get the understanding when people are walking a mile to the game,
37:19what you're getting into. This could have been for an interview where there's just a lot of
37:22bad traffic until you make that final right turn to go to the stadium. And they're like, Oh,
37:26there are people tailgating. So you saw the game. I saw it. That's what it was.
37:30Uh, start working on film as a writing column. We go back to SFO in the airport,
37:35do as much as you can pass out. And here we are this morning. Those are travel tales. So the next
37:39time we do this, it will be after London for Pat's Jags next month, we were possibly going to do a
37:45pod meet up there. So if you reach out, you can DM me, you can send me an email, have any interest
37:51in there. I know we've got folks from Ireland and Denmark who listen to this podcast. Uh,
37:54and I want to say from England too, I will put out somehow where I will be that night,
38:00probably with Doug Mark Daniels, Chris Mason, maybe Chad graph, who was out with us at point
38:04of Vista, uh, for those Irish coffees, maybe some globe folks. I don't know who's making the trip,
38:07but we're down to hang. If you are, let us know if you're going to London, it should be a fun
38:11trip. Okay. Mailbag and we're done because I need to go to bed. Chris, Chris is in a bad mood. Um,
38:19quote, remember when Elliot Wolf said the Packer way was being nice and respectful and insinuated
38:24that bill was a big meanie. When can we throw him off the lighthouse? Well, Chris, uh, never
38:29is the answer to the second one to the first question. I know you're being facetious here.
38:34Elliot's quote about, we want a less hard ass type of vibe. I think it was fine at the time.
38:39I think it's fine now. Um, just in the fact that you can have a little bit more joy when you're
38:43going to work and not always living in this kind of dread or fear and the name of victory, because
38:50when that doesn't happen and you go 29 and 39, that's when you're asking, well, why do I really
38:54want to do this in the first place? So look, let's take a breather. Elliot should have done more to
38:59build up the offensive line. I've been on that for months, but we can, we can take it easy. F F strap.
39:05Do you believe Mayo and Wolf are actually on the same page? Like it's been sold to us. To me,
39:09it feels like may, uh, Mayo has wanted to play may since week one and Wolf would prefer may sit for
39:14the entire season. The organization feels like it's on the brink of dysfunction. Woo. Yeah.
39:21Someone's got a case of the Mondays. Um, look, the last episode I did, I talked about with Mike
39:25charity, why I thought Gerard Mayo wants to start the right mate or might want to like the question
39:32itself is absolutely fair based on the comments he's made, the comments he has not made. He has
39:36been much firmer recently about backing Jacoby preset, which is a good idea considering it kind
39:42of left them out the draft for the jets game. Um, but to me, I do believe, and this is choosing
39:48to believe this is not reporting. These are not packs. You make some calls, you know, get some
39:52back that Elliot is more inclined to take a longer term view. He came from a place where patients
39:58paid off all the time. Aaron Rogers replacing Brett Favre. He wasn't there for the drafting of
40:03Jordan love, but that same place drafted Jordan love to replace Aaron Rogers. We know how that's
40:07going draft and develop. Time is on your side. Do this quote the right way. And Gerard has been
40:12here. Gerard wants to get winning. He wants to engender some more culture and some more buy-in,
40:17which is taking a hit as you have a three game losing streak as they do now. And if he also
40:21believes, which this, we know that extending plays is the most important trait in his mind for a
40:27quarterback, uh, not exactly Jacoby preset strong suit. And it is for Drake may, as we know, being
40:33more mobile and having a stronger arm. Does that make him a better quarterback? No, but that's
40:39another reason why I think Mayo might want to start him. I think though they have these
40:42conversations. If you're asking me which one leans more towards patients, I would bet Elliot
40:47and Mayo, but largely look, if, if Drake may is not starting, I think they're on the same page
40:54enough where there's not really an issue. It's just Mayo has made this harder than it needs to
40:58be, which has been a habit of his. When he talks to the media, Pat, how has the change of training
41:03strength staff correlated with reduced injury? It seems like the injury bug is strong this year.
41:07Well, yes, we, we set off the top, but granted Matt, you don't, it's not gone because of injury.
41:11They'll maybe a Bruce Digo, um, that they're really getting hit in spots where they can't
41:17afford to get hit at or losing key players. I will say this. They were dead last, last year
41:23and adjusted games lost on defense. They were 30th on offense. So whether it's time or whatever,
41:31I would not forget so easily what last year looked like from an injury standpoint,
41:35Matt, you've done the crushing Gonzalez with the headliners. He lost a lot of other guys
41:38underneath there. So I don't think the training and strength staff, which was here last year,
41:44by the way, like they're still working from mostly the same playbook, you know, and it's
41:47Gerard's brother drawn. Who's now heading the strength staff. And they let go of, uh,
41:52Johanna used to be their sport science guy, but it's not unlike Gerard into Marcus Covington,
41:56working from Belichick's playbook, right? Like they'll put their own tweaks on it.
41:59Their own twists, things that they believe things that they couldn't do before.
42:03There's not a ton different from what I saw in camp running a little bit more,
42:07taking time to warm up, but given the results of last year, again, dead last
42:11and adjusted games, lost the most injured defense in football in the third, most injured offense
42:16change is not such a bad thing. I just say for right now, it's a small sample and I don't see,
42:21uh, direct evidence. I would say this is causation, right? From what they were doing
42:24in the spring, in the summer to where we are here in late September. This is why they're
42:28injured as opposed to it's just football and things like this happen. Corey quote,
42:32how long can Mayo afford to stick with Berset? If he's getting worse by the week, at some point,
42:36he's going to lose the locker room. If he doesn't start May, right? No. Uh, because here's the thing
42:40about Jacoby Berset, he's engendering more buy-in and respect from his teammates as bad as a play
42:46has been because they see the same tape that I do where he's getting the bleep knocked out of him.
42:51And he not only just keeps getting back up, but he has good body language. He has good messaging.
42:56He's in charge of himself in the offense and accountable. Unlike Mac Jones a year ago,
43:01who is flailing around and losing his mind and pointing fingers and all of the stuff that we've
43:06watched and we're going, that's not great. Kate Jacoby Berset. Yes. Has statistically been getting
43:10worse each week. Um, I would say weeks one and two are probably a wash given the circumstances
43:16were worse against the Seahawks than they were against the Bengals. But the point stands that
43:20I don't think he's in danger of losing the locker room because Jacoby Berset is not only getting
43:25respect. Now he had it to start the year. This is a captain. Okay. This is not someone you're
43:29backing because his backup is Bailey's happy who can't beat him out in a single practice or one
43:33week of practice, which was what was going on last year. This is not a matter of buy-in, but if he
43:38does have more games like Sundays to answer your question directly, I would say another three,
43:44four weeks, but it has to be that level of bombing where you go, you're costing us.
43:47You're directly linked to the losing where I think Jacoby was really along for the ride in Seattle
43:52and had a good hand in it against the jets. And now it was the main character in a way that like
43:56there's, there's, there's no way around this. Not that we want to talk around it. It's just to say
44:00he's got a bigger piece of the blame pie this week, much bigger than he did the last two weeks.
44:06Grand Jordanian. Uh, this is, this question has come up. I don't, I don't know how someone asked
44:13me this on the beat the other day. Not like a mailbag question. We were just talking and I see
44:19this on Twitter. The question is, what do you think of the idea of getting cold, strange,
44:22ready to play center plenty of time in the classroom while he's injured to learn the
44:25checks and adjustments, et cetera. And his body type and athleticism would be an asset at center
44:29versus drawbacks at guard. First of all, I think that's a little overstated. Like
44:33David Andrews is 300 pounds, not particularly athletic guards are going to be around the same
44:38white, same similar height, but I mean, sure. Like I, I don't see a downside to it. You could
44:45have a succession plan in there. He's a smart guy. He does have trouble putting weight on,
44:50but anything to get them on the field, like, or at least see what it looks like. He's at a rough
44:56start to his career performance wise than dealing with injury last year. I don't know if there's a
45:01starter in there at all center or guard, but if you want to try them out of center, knock yourself
45:06out side quote, based on the first month, Jalen Polk needs to see full-time snaps going forward
45:11over KJ Osborne and Tiguan Thornton. He hasn't lit the world on fire. He's been the only receiver
45:15outside of pop who has shown the toughness and competitiveness that he belongs there.
45:19What do you think? So I think that's well said. That's what I think. I wrote it today. Actually,
45:24that I think I said it here. He was targeted deep. He was targeted intermediate. He was targeted
45:29short. That means he has percent trust. That means he can win at those different levels.
45:33How consistently does he do that is the real question. He's a rookie, but he's winning at
45:38the catch point in a way we saw in the back shoulder, 21 yards and almost on the 30 yarder
45:43or actually 41 yarder that was ruled incomplete on fourth down that you don't see those guys
45:48win at the catch point. So yeah, let them roll out there. Tiguan Thornton is doing nothing for
45:53you. Give him, give Jalen Polk all take one snaps and put take one on the bench. Two more.
45:58Yep. Yep. Wants to know if Brian Dable becomes available,
46:01do you make them one of the highest paid OCs and move on from ABP immediately?
46:06Woo. Uh, I'm going to answer this question as if it's the off season and not tomorrow,
46:11because I don't think that would be, uh, I think it would be a disservice to what you've
46:16been trying to build through four weeks. And then just to pull the plug after playing the 49ers,
46:20Seahawks, uh, bangles and jets defenses, uh, with a terrible offensive line is not fair to those
46:26coaches or Drake Mase development or whatever you're trying to do here. But if it's the off
46:29season, yes, I'm taking Brian Dable over Alex van Pelt. It's just, just business. Carlos,
46:37we put them last. Cause he got a shout out to start. I actually get to see him at the game.
46:40Good to see you, Carlos. Here's your question. Go ahead. Andrew, would you blame some of the
46:44defensive struggles on the coaching slash game planning? He gives an example of Marcus Jones
46:48being five foot eight and Juwan Jennings not being five foot eight, but instead six before,
46:52uh, or on the injuries they're dealing with or both. I guess I didn't say this for last. Cause
46:57I said this in the open, the injuries are factoring in, but the defensive, uh, coaching
47:01has not been good. Whether it's the insistence of prioritizing the run at the expense of these big
47:05giant explosive pass plays that costs you scores on for your first five drives. Um, or it's the
47:11jets getting out to a 14 to three lead at halftime, the Niners doing that 20 to three, the Seahawks,
47:16knowing the blitz was coming, you know, on a touchdown pass. And then in overtime, it's not
47:19been good. Like these are the growing pains we talk about with the rookies and second year players,
47:25first year coordinators, first year head coaches are doing this right now.
47:28It's not great. It's tough. So it's absolutely a factor. It's always both though. I mean,
47:32Juwan, Juwan Bentley being in the middle of this defense would be much different,
47:36at least against the run against the jets, especially when Rayquan McMillan is missing
47:41five tackles and, uh, you can't plug the middle against the Niners who didn't really have any
47:45interesting point in the middle, but they didn't need to point being injuries would change things.
47:49How much? I don't know. I just think the coaching, the deeper we reach into the depth chart,
47:55matters more. And you've heard me say that. So you've heard me basically say everything.
47:58This might be one of the longer solo episodes we've ever done. I need to go to bed. We will
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