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Alex Barth and Brian Hines go LIVE to recap all of the events from Day 12 of New England Patriots training camp. How did the receivers look without Juju? How did Brissett and Maye look?
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00:00All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat Podcast
00:25here on the CLNS Media Network presented by our wonderful friends over at GameTime and
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00:32It's Brian Hines back as always with Alex Barth.
00:35Day 12 of Patriots training camp is over down there at Gillette today on Sunday.
00:41You know, had a couple of days off there after the first preseason game on Thursday, but
00:45back on the practice fields today, gearing up for what they were all calling a big week,
00:51right?
00:53And then the second preseason game is going to be here before you know it on Thursday.
00:58But back to training camp today, back to full pads.
01:02We were just saying like we were kind of expecting maybe today's a low key day.
01:06We got out there and the field was lined with conditioning cones and some of that stuff.
01:11So we said maybe today's going to be a little bit of a low key day.
01:14But then the refs came on the field for the first time in the summer and the full pads
01:18were on.
01:19So we had a good amount of team drills and competitive drills and periods to talk about.
01:23So we have some stuff to break down, which is always good.
01:28Let's start with the quarterbacks.
01:30And before we get into how they actually performed today, I want to talk about their reps and
01:34the usage because that was the main storyline last Thursday, right?
01:38With Jacoby and Drake only got in the series.
01:41Those two dominated the reps today.
01:45Jacoby was still with the projected starters, but he got 33 snaps total, 23 in 11s, 10 and
01:54sevens.
01:55May got 36.
01:56So he actually out snapped them.
01:57He got the last one minute drive.
01:59So it was a little bit more there, 26 snaps in 11s, 10 and sevens.
02:04And then Bailey Zappi and Joe Milton didn't get any action in seven on sevens and they
02:08got one period each, five total plays, three for Zappi and two for Milton down there in
02:15a late like 11 on 11 session in the red area.
02:17So it was all Jacoby Brissett.
02:19It was all Drake May.
02:21I wouldn't say I was very surprised with that after what we saw Thursday night, but were
02:25you surprised with that?
02:27And does the heavy workload today and you'd assume that might look like this against Philly
02:31and even tomorrow, does that change your mind at all about how they handled that Thursday
02:37night preseason opener where again, Brissett and May only played one series a piece?
02:42I mean, I, I still think Drake may should have played more practice in the game or different,
02:45but I think this is, I think we are seeing a ramp up now Zappi and Milton did get some
02:49reps in seven on seven, like on the side field, on the second field and they went split field
02:53a little bit, but, um, it definitely, it, this reminded me a little more, and I wrote
02:59this today on 985sportship.com and don't read into this as saying it's the same kind of
03:05competition cause I don't think it quite is, but this reminded me more of how they
03:12split up the reps between Cam Newton and Mack Jones in 2021, where Cam Newton, until the
03:17very end, there was the presumed starter.
03:19He would get the first reps, but the number of reps significantly favored Mack Jones.
03:25Now Mack Jones was working with the ones and twos for now, Drake may is only working with
03:29the twos, but maybe that starts to shift.
03:32So it, it, it reminded me a little more of that, right?
03:35I think you are starting to see now they're giving Jacoby what needs to get ready in the
03:39rest of it.
03:40The focus is, is on Drake Mays development.
03:41Yeah.
03:42Yeah.
03:43Again, may out snap them.
03:44Actually it was 36 to 33.
03:45He got that last, uh, it was like one 20 on the clock.
03:49So one of those hurry up drives where he actually led them into a field goal range.
03:54So a little bit more positive there cause that's an area he's kind of struggled, uh,
03:58the past week or so in those hurry up situations.
04:01So yeah, he, he out snapped them.
04:03He's getting a lot of work and you're right.
04:05That was how things kind of tended there with Mack, uh, at the end there.
04:09But um, what'd you think of their performances today?
04:12He can start with either Jacoby or Drake again, not much from Zappy and Milton.
04:17They went, uh, they only come in 11s.
04:20They were over three combined and it was three inaccurate passes.
04:23So nothing from them, but, uh, Jacoby and Drake, I thought they were both pretty solid
04:27today.
04:28Uh, did you see that the same and what'd you think of them?
04:31Uh, so yeah, I thought percent had his best day.
04:33Uh, I, I thought he, he had a really strong day throwing the football and you can see
04:38him starting to build the chemistry with these wide receivers is interesting.
04:41KJ Osborne broke down for us after practice.
04:44The best throw from Jacoby Bursette today was he has pressure for Matthew Jude on, um,
04:50on his blind side.
04:51He's rolling to the right.
04:52He hits Osborne in a tight window in the back of the end zone and KJ Osborne told us after
04:55practice one, he's his third read on that play and two, they put that play in this morning.
05:00So to be able to, to execute that play at a high level, which was probably the first
05:05time they ran it.
05:06Like that was early in practice.
05:07I don't know how many times they ran that look, um, which wasn't designed to be a rollout.
05:11It sounded like that's encouraging.
05:12I thought Jacoby Bursette had a good day.
05:15Drake made more of the same, you know, ups and downs, highs and lows, a little bit better
05:20in the one and a half minute drill was able to get the team in a field goal range.
05:25We'll get to the kickers.
05:26At some point, uh, he did have a problem with passes getting batted down at the line of
05:30scrimmage today, though.
05:31We had three of those, including one that turned into an interception and other one
05:34that was very close to being an interception.
05:37Um, yeah, so you, you see some progress.
05:41I thought he made some, some good throws today on the move.
05:44In particular, there was one sequence where he rolled to his right, dropped the arm angle,
05:50delivered a strike to, I think it was Austin Hooper, and then comes back on the next play,
05:53tries to make the same throw.
05:55And that was the one that was nearly intercepted, like exact same thing.
05:58So it's just testing things, figuring out what works.
06:01Um, and then another one where, where he gets, he had like a really bad miss on a throw in
06:06the end zone, came back the next play, delivered a strike to the Michael Petway tight window
06:11throw plenty of zip.
06:12So you like the bounce back and that's good, but you want to see less opportunities to
06:19bounce back if that makes sense.
06:21Yeah.
06:22I think the first one you were talking about, it was one of those, it kind of went to an
06:26out of structure play, right.
06:27And he started, it looked like he was ready to take off to his left.
06:31And then I think it was Jaheim bell kind of just got open over the middle and yeah, you
06:35know, he dropped the arm and he tried to zip it in there, but it got bad up in the air
06:40and then almost intercepted.
06:41But then, yeah, he comes back to a pretty similar play and then you see the, the out
06:45of structure stuff work and he hit one of his tight ends and then yeah, another bad
06:49pass.
06:50I got picked off, but he comes back the next play and hits the Michael Petway in the end
06:54zone there on, on a really nice anticipation kind of corner route there.
06:57So and then even earlier he had the one that was kind of like a play action boot out to
07:02his left and you know, you see that arm angle stuff again, he whipped it in there to Jalen
07:06Polk.
07:07And before that he, he lofted like a really nice corner to Mitchell Wilcox who couldn't
07:11make the catch.
07:12But, um, yeah, I think you're seeing a lot of what we we've seen from Drake may outside
07:19of, you know, the bad passes and maybe that one passed the bell.
07:23We were just talking about like, he's still making really good decisions with the football.
07:26He's not really putting the football in harm's way a lot.
07:28Even that hurry up drill all underneath, like he's living underneath, he's taking what the
07:33defense gave him.
07:34No incompletions in that hurry up drill.
07:36Seems like there were a lot of times he was trying to push the ball downfield, but either
07:40the defense was rotating out to give him something he didn't like, or it just wasn't
07:43there.
07:44And you know, he comes back and takes what's underneath.
07:46So, uh, you're seeing good decision-making again, like the physical tools with that arm
07:51angle stuff.
07:52And, you know, I think it's been pretty positive, uh, from Drake may, I would still like to
07:57see him at some point here, get reps with the starters.
08:01Like we mentioned, I would say the often there wasn't as much pressure today on either Jacoby
08:07or Drake.
08:08I mean, they weren't blowing plays dead immediately for sacks, but you're still seeing some of
08:12the drops, even in one-on-ones like he, I think CLNS had it on Patriot CLNS on Twitter,
08:17like lofts one right into the bucket to Antonio Gibson and he bobbles it up into the air and
08:22Juwan Bentley picks it off.
08:24That was one-on-one.
08:25So, but you're still seeing, you know, the supporting cast isn't always boosting Drake
08:31may up.
08:32So that's where I would still like to see him, uh, try to get some, try to get some
08:35reps with the starters at some point, just to see how that looks.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Again, like he's got to earn them, but they got to give him a chance to earn them is kind
08:43of where I've been at.
08:44And the starters at this point, I mean, that line hasn't been great either.
08:47So yeah, you don't think he's earned them yet.
08:51I mean, he hasn't really had an opportunity to do so with one possession in the preseason,
08:57right?
08:58Exactly.
08:59I think his practice performances have of late, especially, you know, we had that little
09:05blip in the, in the radar when the pads first came back, but ever since that, like first
09:10day off after that, that block of practices, I feel like he's been trending pretty positively.
09:14So I I'd like to see him.
09:16I think he's earned them and I, uh, we'd all like to see them, but I think he's earned
09:19those snaps with the starters as well there.
09:22So, um, maybe Philly, I don't know that, and that might be a weird time to do it.
09:27If you know what, I'm assuming they're going to want to get Jacoby a lot of run against
09:31another defense with the first team offense, uh, cause it's just one day of practices.
09:35It's just Tuesday before the game.
09:37So, uh, we'll see how they do it.
09:39Like bill, you know, if they, if they do it like bill that the game reps and joint practice
09:43reps will count together.
09:44So maybe Jacoby reset percent reps a ton in practice and Drake may gets a, you know, more
09:48reps in the game or vice versa.
09:50Yep.
09:51I think.
09:52Didn't Mayo say something I'd have to, I could try to pull it up this morning that maybe
09:55the offensive line might play a little bit more in the preseason game.
09:59Yeah.
10:00So yeah, maybe we'll see a lot of Jacoby, uh, with the quote unquote starters still
10:05in the joint practice and then may could get a little bit of extended run with that starting
10:10offensive line and some of those top receivers when you get to Thursday night, actually in
10:14game action.
10:15So that could be a good way to, to kind of split it up going forward there.
10:19But um, yeah, uh, Jacoby, you said it as well, just really solid day.
10:25Probably one of his best day.
10:26He had like a few misses early, uh, but he really settled in the touchdown to Osborne
10:30was really nice.
10:31So, uh, you're still seeing some, some good play out of him as well there.
10:34So, uh, anything else you have on the quarterbacks believe that was it, but, um, yeah, I think
10:42that's pretty much it.
10:43All right.
10:44Uh, you mentioned the other two guys today, so yeah, again, they had five total plays
10:49in 11s and three passes and they were all inaccurate passes, right?
10:53So, uh, not much from those guys there, but, uh, you hinted at the offensive line.
10:59Still the same unit from what we've been seeing the Darien low at left tackle Chucks
11:03of core for at right tackle.
11:05And then that interior three has been consistent with city.
11:07So David Andrews, uh, and Mike, and when you, again, I wouldn't say the pressure was as
11:13bad today, but it's still doesn't seem like the most ideal situation with the Darien low
11:19out there, uh, at left tackle and even Chooks, you know, he spoke after practice.
11:23He wasn't, he didn't love his, uh, preseason opener.
11:27Again, he only played, uh, the two drives there and he was coming off an injury.
11:31So maybe he chalked that up to that, but, um, tackle position is still a worry and it's
11:36still the Darien low and Chooks right now.
11:38Yeah.
11:39I just don't know how you saw what you saw in that first game and not make changes.
11:42Neither of them were good.
11:43Vidarian low regularly getting locked back to score for is better, but had a bad false
11:48start penalty and you didn't, I guess the, the, the only caveat is he didn't see enough
11:52of them to evaluate him, which to me is a wasted opportunity.
11:55Gerard Mayo said by the end of the second preseason game, they want to know who their
11:59line is moving forward for week one.
12:01That's five days from now.
12:03So right now it looks like Vidarian Lowe's just starting left tackle.
12:06We'll see what he does this week, but if he really struggles this week and you want to
12:09know it by the end of that game, like, okay, so now what do you still move forward?
12:14Cause you haven't really given anybody else a chance.
12:17So I do think we Darien low is right now on track to be their week one starting left tackle.
12:23And if they don't trust that line to protect Drake may, then I don't know when we see Drake
12:27may, cause it's not going to get bet.
12:29They don't, they're not going to really add any options that left tackle.
12:31They may add some fringe players like they did last year with low and Tyrone Wheatley.
12:36But I, yeah, I just, I still don't understand the plan.
12:40I, and that's not new coming for me.
12:41I've been saying that since March, but I still don't understand the plan.
12:45I still don't even see necessarily a plan.
12:49Yeah.
12:51It's, it's annoying that it has to be so tied into the quarterbacks too, cause it's affecting
12:55the Drake may and, and even Jacoby at times, like in practice, there's some dead plays
13:00here and there, but are you worried at all that like, you know, Caden Wallace isn't making
13:08a push here or they're not obviously seeing what they like from, from Caden Wallace to
13:12oversee the Darien low on that left side, because that still seems like the ideal outcome
13:18right now is that Caden Wallace can make a push to be the starting left tackle.
13:23But as you said, like we're five days away, five, six days away from them having from
13:29their timeline, what they set that they want to have the starting line.
13:32And I don't see him making a push at this point, like that he could unseat Darien low.
13:36So are you worried that Caden Wallace, you know, just isn't, you know, he's repping with
13:41that second unit still, and he's not making a push.
13:45I mean, they haven't, I wouldn't say worried, you know, they haven't given him a chance.
13:50And I think, was he left or right today with second unit?
13:52I forget.
13:53I think he was left.
13:56I think Calvin Anderson was right.
13:58So they've been moving him around, which again, like the development plan, let him pick a
14:02spot and develop there, but he's probably their second option.
14:07If it doesn't work with low, I don't want to say I'm concerned.
14:10I don't think he's looked at bad.
14:11He hasn't looked amazing, but he hasn't looked terrible.
14:13I thought he had a solid for what it was a solid preseason opener, but I don't know.
14:18They're not giving him a chance.
14:19I, I, I I'm almost at the point at this point where it kind of has to be very low because
14:26putting Cain Wallace at left tackle cold without necessarily having a ton of time to prepare
14:31and that not being as natural position, there's significant risk with that as well.
14:36So I would have liked to see if the plan was for Wallace play left tackle, I would have
14:40liked to see a lot more of that over the last few weeks or truce the core for, if they're
14:45going to move him back there.
14:46But again, it's just, they've spent so much time at this point, getting veterinarian low,
14:50ready to be left tackle.
14:51I feel like they're almost past the point of no return, at least for week one.
14:55I'm sure things will change if it doesn't work during the season.
14:57We went through this last year with Michael and when who playing guard versus playing
15:00tackle, but I don't know what, Brian, you tell me like, when, when is that point of
15:05no return?
15:06Mayo has said the second preseason game, but if it really looks that bad, you can't imagine
15:10he's going to go with it based on a deadline.
15:11He said, you know, almost a month ago now, when's the point of no return that veterinarian
15:15lows your week one starter.
15:19I mean, last year they were getting guys back the week before a game one and they were plugging
15:23them back in, right?
15:24Like Calvin Anderson missed the whole summer and then came back, like was activated a week
15:29or maybe 10 days before the week one game.
15:32And they plugged him right back in.
15:33Um, and that, like they had a ton of injuries there, but you're, you're still kind of the
15:38same spot there.
15:39So, uh, the first, the second preseason game is August 15th and then the first game is
15:46September 8th.
15:47So you have three weeks in between, uh, you know, the second preseason game, the deadline
15:53again that they say, and week one, and then one more preseason game in between there.
15:57So I mean, they could still switch it up to your, like, obviously they could switch it
16:02up, but yeah, if it doesn't look good, like after this preseason game, like all four just
16:08continue to try to tinker with this thing.
16:10It's like, I would rather if it's Vidarian low or Caden Wallace, like I would rather
16:15try to go through the growing pains with Caden Wallace, cause at least he's younger and he's
16:18going to get the experience or we've even talked about maybe Leighton Robinson pushes
16:24big Mike back outside to right tackle, which I think we all like Mike on window at guard.
16:28But if it gets really dire, like maybe Leighton makes a push and it, although I don't know
16:34if you heard Mayo today on Leighton Robinson, we were thinking that cause I think we all
16:39thought Leighton Robinson was pretty, it looked pretty good Thursday and Mayo seemed to kind
16:42of throw some cold water on that, you know, say he had a long way to go when he asked
16:46about him this morning.
16:47So, um, maybe that that's not an option, put bumping Leighton Robinson up and big Mike
16:53outside, but yeah, it's, it's interesting upfront.
16:58And again, it's annoying that we're just here and that it's impacting, you know, maybe Drake
17:02mays timeline now, but, um, it's interesting.
17:07And again, we're, we're really close to that deadline right now that they kind of separate
17:11themselves to find the starter.
17:12So, um, we'll, we'll keep seeing how this shakes out, but yeah, it's been a vitarian
17:17low for about two weeks at left tackle now.
17:19So you'd assume that's where they're going to keep trending.
17:22So, uh, anything else, offensive line there, uh, no, nothing real big today with the second
17:29unit or.
17:31Yeah, no, I think that's, uh, I mean, the, the, the only notable thing is, uh, Liam Fornadel
17:37got some reps at center today where we'd been seeing, um, it's kind of new it's been Moffy
17:41right.
17:42Moffy and Charles Turner.
17:43Uh, Moffy was at guard with that group.
17:45Uh, Fornadel was able to Fornadel got some, I mean, it was, I think he snapped like three
17:50or four balls, but without incident.
17:53So just something to keep an eye on, I guess.
17:56Yep.
17:57Or Nicola rep, but need some other guys with experience there.
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19:34All right, elsewhere on offense, uh, pop Douglas might've been the best player out there on
19:42the field today.
19:43He finally out of that red non-contact Jersey, uh, for good this time too, it wasn't just
19:48him trying to sneak by the medical staff.
19:50Uh, he was full contact.
19:52He's been dealing with that, you know, thumb hand injury.
19:54So, uh, he was good to go.
19:57And in sevens and 11s and team periods, nine targets, seven catches, uh, one pass interference
20:03drawn and the other in completion was like just off his fingertips, maybe just a little
20:09bit overthrown on like a slop fade.
20:11So, uh, he's been their best receiver since the spring, most consistent receiver since
20:15the spring.
20:16And just good to see him like out there full ago and still just kind of being unguardable
20:21for, for that Patriots defense.
20:23Yeah, he's going to be a difference maker and, and that's so apparently clear.
20:28He just has to stay healthy.
20:29Um, and the other thing is he runs this route so quick.
20:31We talk about the protection.
20:33He's a guy that's going to allow the quarterback to get the ball in and out and be his own
20:36best pass protection.
20:37So really encouraging what he's done, you know, as he continues to get healthy, that's
20:42a guy I don't need to see a ton of the rest of the summer.
20:44Keep him healthy.
20:45Put them in bubble wrap.
20:46We'll see him week one.
20:47We didn't see a ton of them last summer and it worked out nicely.
20:51So yeah, they hit them last summer.
20:53Yeah.
20:54So, uh, I would, it would be good to see him.
20:57I'm sure we get to a little bit of them and you know, the joint practice, but game action,
21:01I would be very surprised preseason, uh, if we see much of pop Douglas, but he looks good.
21:06He looks ready to go.
21:07Yeah.
21:08It's just staying healthy, uh, for him.
21:09So, um, other receivers, it was, I mean, pop and then it was kinda KJ Osborne and Jalen
21:17Rager were working with that top unit and then Taekwon Thornton was still a little bit
21:21limited.
21:22Uh, he mixed in a couple of, you know, full team periods and he kind of took the place
21:26for Rager.
21:27So it looks like those were kind of your top three, four receivers out there today.
21:32And then, uh, Taekwon had a couple of catches, um, anything else you see from that, either
21:40that group of receivers or just receivers, uh, as a whole there today?
21:44I don't know that any one receiver stood out beyond pop Douglas, you said, uh, you know,
21:48I think you mentioned that KJ Osborne had that one catch, but I wouldn't say it was
21:52a notable day one way or the other for any of the receivers.
21:56Yeah, definitely.
21:57So, uh, the one kind of past catcher news that was kind of big was Hunter Henry did
22:03limp off the field.
22:04I think it was during sevens.
22:05I missed exactly when it happened, but I think it was during sevens, uh, about halfway
22:09through practice.
22:10So he went to the back shed, uh, never came back out, um, missed all the team periods
22:16after that.
22:17So something to monitor there obviously would be a big loss, right?
22:22Like he's had a really good summer.
22:23He was one of their best players on the practice field, I'd say over the last week.
22:27And we know this Alex van Pelt offense, it really features the tight ends, right?
22:32And he's not David Najoku, he's not that explosive, but down the field, he's been,
22:37you know, really consistent.
22:38We see him still flash in the red area.
22:40So if he misses any sort of time here, that could be a pretty big deal for the offense.
22:44Cause you know, you saw Austin Hooper elevated to really your starting tight end and then
22:49Mitchell Wilcox behind him, who we talked about, like is still having issues catching
22:52the football and you know, we've said as a blocking tight end and you know, the Thursday
22:57night game wasn't great in that area as well.
23:00So Hunter Henry, you know, hopefully it's nothing serious, but that could be kind of
23:04a big loss for this offense if it is.
23:07So we just talked about pop being like a real weapon, right?
23:10I think the most consistent member of the Patriots offense, at least at the skill positions
23:13is Hunter Henry and losing him as kind of a security blanket.
23:17Can't be understated how massive that would be.
23:19So team probably already needs one tight end.
23:21You lose Hunter Henry that you have to completely change the equation of the offense.
23:25Yep.
23:27You know, you had, what did you have on your roster?
23:29Like TBD for a third veteran, TBD, TBD veteran tight end for the third spot.
23:34So yeah, hopefully that that's nothing serious with Hunter Henry there cause they'll probably
23:38need a third guy.
23:41Would you like to see Jaheim Bell?
23:42Maybe I know we've talked about him so much.
23:44It's a different, like he's kind of in his own position, like he's not exactly like a
23:49traditional tight end, but would you like to see him get a little more run?
23:52Maybe where like Mitchell Wilcox is playing with, with Drake May, just see if he could
23:57give you a little bit, something more in that group.
24:00I mean, I'd like to see more of them.
24:02I still don't think he's a traditional tight end.
24:04I think he's more of an H back, but I do think now that he's kind of getting caught up after
24:09missing that first week of padded practice, I'd like to see him get more opportunities,
24:12but I don't think he replaces Henry in that or even Hooper.
24:16Yep.
24:17Definitely.
24:19in the top there, but, um, and then nothing huge for running backs.
24:25They didn't run the ball that much today.
24:29Um, it seemed like they, there weren't as many run stuffs though.
24:32So not many, you know, we go back to like that first padded practice, they were breaking
24:37some big runs.
24:38There weren't that many, you know, explosive runs, but there weren't that many runs, uh,
24:42you know, stuffs in the backfield.
24:43So maybe running the ball a little bit better, but, uh, nothing too major from the running
24:47backs, uh, there today.
24:49Um, I think that's pretty much most of it for the offense, unless any other notes, misses
24:57things to add that would, that we missed.
24:59Um, I think that's pretty much it.
25:02No, I think we got it all.
25:04Yeah.
25:05It's kind of like a quiet, I don't know.
25:07The pads were on, the refs were there, but it was kind of not too much going on out there.
25:12It was honestly, I don't know.
25:15I, there, there wasn't, I guess Antonio Gibson early caught a lot of passes, but it didn't
25:21feel like the ball was being spread out a lot and they were running different concepts.
25:25So it was a tough day.
25:27You know, we could go through each play by play and, but it's tough to say there's one
25:31guy that like, yeah, he's strung together a bunch of good plays today.
25:35Cause there just weren't those sorts of opportunities in practice.
25:37Yeah.
25:38It was literally pop Douglas.
25:40Yeah.
25:41It was talked about and I don't think anyone else had like more than two or three.
25:45I was going to say off the top of my head, Gibson had three early and I don't think we
25:51really, he did anything for the rest of the day.
25:53I don't think anybody else, Mitchell Wilcox may be the only guy that had more than three
25:57targets because the ball just finds him.
25:59That guy gets targeted at times.
26:01It keeps finding them.
26:03Yeah.
26:04Well, not his hands, but yeah, it wasn't, nobody was like, and that's, that's the, everybody
26:09was bad.
26:10Again.
26:11It was just a very spread out effort.
26:12So it's not like, yeah, this one guy was all over the field or, Oh, this guy kept getting
26:15a ton of targets.
26:16It was just, yeah.
26:17You know, I think Jalen Polk caught one or two balls.
26:21Jayvon Baker had one target.
26:25Taekwon had one or two targets caught one is spread out.
26:29Yeah.
26:30Yeah.
26:31I was going through it and like everyone has two catches.
26:34Hooper had to Rager had to Baker had to poke had to, um, booty had to one was a flag.
26:41I think one got called back.
26:43Jacob Warren had to tons of checkdowns to Gibson and Mondra.
26:47So yeah, everyone kind of spread out, uh, today and again, like they were moving the
26:51ball there.
26:52I had some success.
26:53So, um, and then pop pace, the whole thing was seven catches.
26:56So, uh, that was, that was kind of the offensive breakdown, but, um, defense to interceptions
27:02on the day.
27:03We saw some of those bad, uh, bad passes, uh, Anthony Jennings got his hands on one
27:08and then tipped up to Armand Watts.
27:10Uh, the other one was in one-on-one.
27:12So a little different.
27:13We talked about it, you know, Gibson bobbled it into John Bentley's hands.
27:17Um, we saw some that cornerback room we've been watching a lot opposite Christian Gonzalez,
27:23Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones were just kind of spectators today.
27:27You know, Marcus Jones has been dealing with someone and something and Jonathan Jones just,
27:31you know, no concern about him.
27:33So still mixing a lot of those corners opposite of Christian Gonzalez.
27:37So it was kind of Marco Wilson and, um, Alex Austin on the outside rotating and then Sean
27:44Wade and Isaiah Bolden in the slot.
27:46So some, still some good competition, uh, at those two spots opposite of Christian Gonzalez
27:51and kind of behind the Joneses when those two are healthy and ready to go.
27:54Well, I think it's interesting.
27:55Isaiah Bolden repped a lot more in the slot today than we've seen.
27:58And I've talked about this.
27:59I have Sean Wade on the roster right now because behind Marcus Jones, who's still hurt, he's
28:03their only true slot corner.
28:05And that that's a role they need filled.
28:08Now if one of these other guys that's on the bubble, Isaiah Bolden, probably not gonna
28:12be Marco Wilson.
28:13He's so much a veteran at this point, but like Isaiah Bolden or, or Marcel's dial can
28:17play more in the slot that might push Sean Wade off.
28:19And you're seeing them give Bolden played a little bit in the slot in college, those
28:22opportunities.
28:23Yeah.
28:24So I think it's encouraged for Bolden to make the team cause he's been good.
28:29There's just a ton of guys ahead of him, but if he can play in the slot, it shrinks the
28:33depth chart ahead of him a little bit.
28:34So I thought that was notable.
28:35And then just, you know, another tough day for Christian Gonzalez.
28:40And at this point it's like, is he a gamer or what's the deal?
28:42If he's a guy that's just going to snap his fingers and dominate when the games start,
28:45whatever.
28:46And every Patriots player that ever has bad training camp for the rest of history will
28:50thank him because anytime somebody is having a down camp, people will just say, Oh, no,
28:55Christian Gonzalez was nasty.
28:572024 Christian Gonzalez.
28:59He was, but he is still allowing more catches than you'd want to see from a guy that you're
29:02counting on to be like a shutdown.
29:04Number one corner, which he, where he was drafted, you are expecting him to be a shutdown
29:08corner.
29:09Yup.
29:10Yeah.
29:11He was in coverage on that.
29:12Uh, KJ Osborne touchdown we were talking about, uh, earlier and then he gave one up and I
29:16think it was seven on sevens to poke like an out route.
29:20So he's, yeah, he's still giving up like two or three catches a day where you're like,
29:24okay, as you just said, if he's our number one and our, our shutdown guy, maybe not,
29:29not the best, but yeah, we'll see.
29:31I'm still expecting that the flip to kind of switch when, when we get into live game
29:35action.
29:36So, uh, hopefully that's the case, but, um, the only other thing upfront really upfront
29:44on the defense, like Matthew Jude on seemed like he kind of upped his participation and
29:48activity level.
29:49Uh, today he was participated in one-on-one pass rush drills, kind of looked like, you
29:55know, Matthew Jude on, and then he had a, a bad pass, another bad pass in elevens.
30:00And even like one play, he dropped out and kind of shut down J Vaughn Baker with Jacoby
30:04Bursetts.
30:05That was the Osborne touchdown.
30:07I think he Jude on dropped in and then Bursett had to go to, you know, Osborne was running
30:13behind them.
30:14So he hit Osborne.
30:15So, um, just good to see Matthew Jude on out there.
30:19I think in the broadcast, one of the McCourty's on Thursday night mentioned he was dealing
30:23with a nagging injury maybe.
30:25So didn't look like that today, but we'll still see how the contract goes, but he was
30:31out there full participant and looked like Matthew Jude on, uh, anything from him or
30:36anything when I was on that defense that stood out to you today.
30:40So yeah, I thought Jude on was really good again, first day back at it and shows when
30:44he, when he's locked in, he's still really good.
30:46I mentioned Bolden that stood out that he was in the slot and Dell Pettis working into
30:51that top defensive back rotation.
30:53He may be in for a role on the scene that I'm playing in a box some, which surprised
30:57me.
30:58I think of him more as a free safety.
30:59He's a little smaller, but I think what we're seeing, like when you see something like that,
31:03we've kind of talked them up.
31:05Now you see the coaches give him more of a role and it's like, okay, well we're seeing
31:08clearly the coaches are seeing too, because he's getting more playing time with it.
31:12And so it seems like the, the, the, and this isn't to say he's going to be like this superstar
31:18next Evan McCourty, but for UDFA on a team where we thought none of the UDFAs would make
31:23the team.
31:24It seems like Dell Pettis is, is trending in the right direction for roster spot, long
31:27way to go.
31:28See if you can keep doing it, but definitely trending in the right direction.
31:30Yeah.
31:31And Josh Bledsoe is still limited.
31:32So he's getting, you know, he took advantage of those reps where the opposite is a guy
31:38like Marte Mappu who still can't get out there and now he's really seems to be falling
31:43behind, right?
31:44Like he hasn't, he was limited the first training camp practice and he hasn't participated since.
31:49So that, that's kind of worrisome in his development.
31:52You know, we talked a lot about McKeel Harry and Taekwon Thornton, and it was a little
31:56different positions and you know, the old regime and that often, but they get hurt early
32:01and then they fall behind for a guy like, you know, Marte Mappu to didn't play much
32:05last year and now, you know, to be behind kind of worrisome, uh, at this point and his
32:12role when he comes back, if he comes back, uh, kind of tough to envision right now.
32:17So yeah, Dell Pettis, uh, it's nice when we see something and then the coaching coaching
32:22staff, right?
32:23Right.
32:24Like Pat.
32:25Now let's see that happen at tackle, but yeah, hopefully, um, all right.
32:31Yeah.
32:32Anything else?
32:33I can get into kickers in one second, but I think that was pretty much it.
32:36Um, offense, defense, a lot of conditioning work out there today.
32:40We do have a lot to do with the kickers.
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33:44It was fun today.
33:45That was maybe the most electric part of camp so far because, uh, there was one live and
33:52that Drake may hurry up it with, there was one kick, but then we ended with the usual
33:56four field goals and they had the, they cranked the music even louder.
34:02They had, uh, players telling the fans, the season ticket holders that were there today
34:06to get loud.
34:07And then they all like huddled around the kicker who was ready to kick and they were
34:12dancing and they were yelling all the players, even some coaches, the Marcus Covington was
34:16really getting into it and they were dancing and just causing mass chaos all around them.
34:22So that, that was really fun to watch.
34:24Um, and then Joey Sly, three of four, Chad Ryland, two of four, they were working from
34:3037 to 52 yards and then Sly had the one minute drill he hit from a 53.
34:36So slight leg up for Joey slide today, but that was an electric and really fun field
34:42goal unit.
34:43You were ready to say, let's just do two hours of practice on this, on this drill.
34:46That's all we need to do.
34:47Right.
34:48Uh, kicker thoughts today.
34:50Uh, definitely a big day.
34:52Definitely a big day for Joey Sly.
34:54These were the game, still the game, but it felt like these were the most consequential
34:58reps of camp, right?
34:59You've got the whole team around.
35:01You could feel the intensity, like it was real.
35:04And Sly starts off hitting that 53 yarder in the run on, and then goes three for four
35:10where Chad Ryland went two for four.
35:12And I think even Sly's miss was like right over the top of the upright.
35:15Um, so very close.
35:18They both missed, uh, yeah, Sly was wide left from 48, like right over the upright.
35:24And then one of Ryland's was like right over the upright to the right.
35:28And then the second miss, he pushed it even farther, right?
35:30So yeah, I mean, so Gerard Mayo says on Friday, the kicker competition's wide open, which
35:38to me means it's 50, 50 from that point.
35:42And now you had Joey Sly have, I think, a definitively better day.
35:46Yeah.
35:47You can't even manage Sly right now.
35:48Yup.
35:49So if you do the whole numbers from camp preseason, uh, they've both kicked 33 times now and Ryland's
35:57is 28 of 33 and Sly is 27 of 33.
36:00So Ryland still has the lead there.
36:02But if you look at the kicks, you know, Sly had the 57 yarder in the hurry up drill.
36:08He had the 53 in the hurry up drill today, and then he had the 42 yarder and actual game
36:12action where Ryland, you know, had the extra points in game action.
36:17He's missed in the hurry up situation.
36:18So he's up one on the stat sheet.
36:22But if you break that down a little bit more, you know, Sly probably has, he's got, if we
36:27go college football, he's got the resume, right?
36:29Like Sly probably has a little bit better of the resume right now where we stand.
36:33Well Sly to me is four for four from 50 plus, Ryland's one of three from that range.
36:39So what do they want?
36:40But four for four from 50 plus is impressive.
36:43Yeah.
36:44This can all change.
36:45I mean, if we go out there tomorrow and Joey Sly misses three kicks, it changes again.
36:48But I just think it was notable Gerard Mayo saying it was wide open to me meant it was
36:5250 50.
36:53Also, Brian, I don't know if you put any stock into this, Joey Sly's been going first early
36:59in camp.
37:00Chad Ryland was the first kicker up when they did these periods at the end of practice starting
37:04last week.
37:05Joey Sly was up first.
37:07Yeah.
37:08Yeah.
37:09I guess, I guess maybe read into that a little bit, right?
37:12Because it was Ryland in the spring even, and then he started camp.
37:16So now Sly's going first.
37:17So look, they're clearly trying to put pressure on these guys and see what they can do under
37:21pressure.
37:22And I just think Ryland's, uh, Sly so far has responded better to that.
37:25It's still close.
37:26It's still very close.
37:27Yeah.
37:28And still a long way to go to here.
37:31Again, we could get on tomorrow and say, oh, Joey Sly went one of four and Chad Ryland
37:35went four of four.
37:36And I think, yeah, because if Sly had the live situation today, you would assume Ryland
37:42gets the next live situation whenever that, that comes about.
37:45So this could flip flop, you know, every, every day we get on and do a show here, but
37:50yeah, it was a fun drill and, and, you know, Joey Sly really responded to it well with
37:55all those guys dancing in his face.
37:59So yeah, you might give him the slight, slight leg up right now.
38:02So offense, defense, special teams, that was kind of the rundown today.
38:08Are you expecting just quick look ahead tomorrow?
38:11Are you expecting them to kind of tone it down a little bit and then get ready for that
38:16joint practice on Tuesday?
38:18Or are you thinking, let's just keep rolling like pads.
38:22Let's just keep rolling right into this thing and right into the joint practice.
38:26I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow's ramped down a little bit, kind of a walkthrough pace
38:29to get ready for that joint practice.
38:31But with Gerard Mayo, the temple has been up.
38:33So yeah, they've been going hard, a lot of pad practices, a lot of hitting.
38:37We had a somewhat Oklahoma drill today where the running back or whatever would pick up
38:43the ball and they would meet.
38:45It wasn't tackling to the ground, but it was about as close as an Oklahoma drill as you
38:48could probably get in today's whatever is legal in today's NFL with that.
38:54So they've been working hard.
38:56So we'll see how it looks tomorrow.
38:58But as always, we'll be back to break it down right here on Patriot's press pass.
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