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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James Whitefield, Yates, Mina Kimes.
00:09All right.
00:10So first play, we're going to look at second into one of the Patriots first offensive plays.
00:16What's going on everyone?
00:17Mike Cadillac, Taylor Kyle's here for CLNS media back with an emergency sort of emergency
00:22edition of the Patriots, the daily podcast powered by prize picks and game time.
00:28And it's going to be a quick hitter here before we get into our true film breakdowns over
00:33the next couple of days.
00:34Taylor's been sifting through the film and we've been sort of setting up our storylines
00:38for that and what we're going to get into.
00:39But we had to react to some Gerard Mayo comments from this morning, both in his post game next
00:46day press conference, as well as some things he said on WEEI's the Greg Hill show.
00:51And it all sort of centers around this soft football team comment that he made on Sunday
00:56after the game.
00:58So we've talked about it and it's sort of been the, uh, I guess the discussion on Twitter
01:03and really everywhere covering the Patriots right now.
01:07And it's Gerard Mayo sort of walking back these comments.
01:09And I think that that's, we're going to get right into it, Taylor.
01:11And that's kind of where I sit and it's, it's this uncomfortable feeling that he says all
01:17these things.
01:18And then obviously also feels like he has to walk them back.
01:20And he mentioned this morning that, uh, we don't have a soft football team.
01:25This is from the Greg Hill show.
01:26He says, we don't have a soft football team.
01:28And he said the same thing, uh, in his press conference, the media that we're playing soft
01:32at the moment.
01:33And now I kind of want to get your thoughts on it, but really my whole thing is it's the
01:38continuous walking back, uh, the, these things that makes me so, I guess against this, right.
01:44And it was the quarterbacks where he, he announced, uh, Jacoby Brissett as the starting quarterback
01:49earlier, uh, right before the season started.
01:52And he told us, and he told the media after he told the players and now granted it got
01:57leaked to Schefter and Rappaport just before we were there and, and everyone was upset
02:01about that.
02:02And that was understandable, but at least he told the players first, because that was
02:05his whole thing.
02:06I want the team to know before it gets out there.
02:09And then six weeks later, when Drake may becomes the starting quarterback, it gets out through
02:13the media before he tells the team.
02:15And he's like, well, you know, that's just what happens.
02:17It's the social media era and he did sell the quarterbacks and that that's fair too.
02:23But before he said, I want to tell the whole team.
02:26I want to tell them as a unit before it gets out.
02:28And so it's just like, that was sort of hypocritical.
02:31And then he also had to, when he even talked about telling the quarterbacks, he said that
02:36he said it on Monday and it was actually on Tuesday and he had to readjust that.
02:40And then there's, it's just, again, it's all these little things that turn in to these
02:44major things.
02:45Right.
02:46And we wouldn't even be talking about this Taylor if they weren't one in six, but that's
02:50the fact of the matter.
02:51And so it was, and I wrote about it a little bit this morning on CLNS media.com and I tweeted
02:56it this way, where this new regime of Elliot Wolfe, Gerard Mayo and Elliot Wolfe saying,
03:01you know, we want to have less of a hard ass vibe and now it turns into where a soft football
03:05team it's like, it was refreshing to start, you know, players opening up more coaches
03:10saying more and it felt more, I don't want to say fun because that sounds so like Lottie
03:15Dunn.
03:16I don't mean it like that, but it felt less like we were covering the government and the
03:20Pentagon and more like, oh, okay, this is just a football team.
03:24But now it's starting to get messy and play it.
03:26We'll talk about it.
03:27Players are speaking out.
03:29There's sort of this accountability issue going on with the Patriots.
03:32But first and foremost, Taylor, I just want to get your thoughts on Mayo's comments about
03:36being soft and then sort of walking them back this morning.
03:41So your favorite, by the way, getting into the speculatory stuff and all of the, all
03:46of the media buzz.
03:47So I want to get your thoughts.
03:48So I want to say bottom line, like you are right.
03:50The losing is why this is happening.
03:52And obviously the losing falls on coaching because you are in charge of the football
03:55team.
03:56Now, I try to, I'm trying to practice patience because this is a guy who's still, I think,
04:02trying to find his identity as a coach, first of all, and I think we'll touch on that a
04:05little more later.
04:06Yeah.
04:07But like you are coming to one of the most heavily scrutinized organizations and markets
04:11on the planet where every single mistake you make is going to be completely picked apart
04:16and dissected.
04:17And the media is like, Hey, you're doing it, but it's like, yes, but we also choose to
04:20cover it.
04:22Of course.
04:23Like it's still news when the head coach is sending one message and then actually conveying
04:26another through his actions.
04:29Now I also think that Mayo in trying to find his identity as a coach is struggling to find
04:33the line of how do I be myself and be gregarious and sometimes just shoot from the hip, which
04:39is how we know he is as a person.
04:41And everyone says like, we all love Mayo, Mayo is a decent human being.
04:44You know, it's not like the way where other Belichick disciples, it seems like their ego
04:49is taken over.
04:51Exactly.
04:52And maybe he's trying to go too far away from that, where he doesn't want to be a failure
04:57the way those other guys were.
04:59And I think that's why he's trying to put more ownership among the players.
05:02And I still think he's being tough.
05:04Like I think that all these Belichick disciples have tried to be tough.
05:07I think very few of them have the credibility to do so like Mayo, where he's coached the
05:11defense.
05:12He played on the defense, was a captain when they were playing well, was respected by legends
05:16and young players.
05:17Like he has the credibility to be like, yeah, we're going to run, we're going to run like
05:21crazy.
05:22And I'm going to tell you yourself to your face.
05:23That's another big thing.
05:24And because I got this and I went through this and I know that it's, it works and it
05:28can be successful.
05:29So I have the credibility to be able to do this a hundred percent.
05:33And also I think a big part of this is that Drake may told us there, when he was asked
05:37about the soft comments, he said, there's nothing that Mayo was telling you guys that
05:40he's not telling us.
05:42Now you can point to instances like Jalen Polk, where he said that Jalen Polk had a
05:46mental hurdle.
05:47And Jalen Polk goes, I'm not having mental problems.
05:49Like, what are you talking about?
05:51And then that goes the direction it goes in.
05:52But there's also times where you have Mayo's answering a question, like I'm sure he gets
05:56some level of prep before these interviews, but you can't prepare for everything.
06:00So sometimes I think he genuinely does get caught off guard, tries to give the best answer
06:04he can.
06:05And how often do we hear the guy have to self-correct himself, where he'll answer a question.
06:09Then when someone has a followup, he'll have to before that person, or while they're speaking,
06:13he'll cut them off politely and be like, I'm sorry.
06:16Let me add this context, because this is clearly new for him.
06:19And again, if they were winning, we would have more patience that where it's like, Hey,
06:23you know, he's going to slip up.
06:24Oh, it's so funny.
06:25You know, silly Mayo.
06:27Because we're four and two, and we're the seven seed, right?
06:29Exactly.
06:30And, and that's the bottom line, because that does fall on coaching.
06:33Now I kind of alluded to it earlier.
06:35I think part of the issue has been that, yes, you are Gerard Mayo.
06:38You are a captain.
06:39You are the Rob Rock guy.
06:41Like you are someone who has been on the sideline and been on the field.
06:44I've been like, guys, this isn't good enough.
06:45We need to get our shit together.
06:47And now it feels like he's removed himself because like, you know, I'm not always watching
06:50him on the sideline game day.
06:52There's a million things to look at.
06:53It's kind of tough to always be locked into what the head coach is doing, but on the broadcast,
06:57it really did stand out to me.
06:59And I don't like to be hypercritical, especially when they're just showing a snippets.
07:02But typically if the head coach is going to go over and try to hype up the team or get
07:06them locked in the broadcast team will go over and record it because obviously that's
07:10good content.
07:11And they usually want to have the sideline report to be able to explain what was said
07:14because they have that access.
07:15We haven't gotten that from Mayo at all.
07:17It really does feel like he's pretty detached.
07:19And then when we've actually heard that he decided that he was going to kind of get involved,
07:24it was after the Eagles drive practice where he was like, we weren't good enough.
07:27There were too many penalties and the penalties went away.
07:30So I really think there's a lack of maybe taking charge really with the players hands
07:34on.
07:35And he says, Hey, I have this open door policy.
07:37Sometimes players aren't going to go to you.
07:39Sometimes I think you need to be the, maybe not the aggressor, but the initiator and be
07:43the one who says, Hey, we need to do X, Y, Z.
07:46This needs to improve.
07:47That needs to improve because DeMarcus Covington has respect, especially from the defensive
07:51line because he coached them.
07:52But still he's not the one who was leading the defensive meetings for years.
07:56Stephen Belichick was huge, but he was more of a play caller.
07:59Mayo was the guy who everyone talked about how he always put the game on a certain perspective
08:03and allowed you to just be a better version of yourself because you really got to see
08:06the big picture.
08:08I don't know how often he's able to play to his strengths because of whatever role he's
08:11decided to take where he's more of the CEO or he facilitates and you know, dah, dah,
08:16dah.
08:17And he's bouncing around like, bro, do you really need to be, and he's basically like
08:19he's in the headset.
08:21He's talking to Van Pelt on one, on one channel and Covington on the other.
08:24And he's, I guess above them, I don't mean it as, as though he's better than them or
08:28in that context, but he's letting them do their thing.
08:32But at the same time, he's also like almost not giving any advisory counsel or nothing.
08:36He's just saying, I put this off to them.
08:38I put this off to him.
08:39I'm the head coach and that's all I am.
08:41And when you're a good defensive coach and a good defensive mind and have played the
08:44game and seen it, you should be more hands on.
08:47And he hasn't been doing that right now.
08:49And I appreciate the humility of him removing himself from situations where he doesn't really
08:52know what he's talking about.
08:53Like the quarterback situation, the offense, so much crap because people kind of insane.
08:57And he's, he took ownership and said, I make the final decision.
08:59And that makes sense.
09:00But when it came to the QB development, I understood him being more hands off because
09:04he doesn't know how to develop a quarterback when it gets to the point where you think
09:08you could lose the locker room because you're just not competitive and you're just on a
09:11train that's just off the tracks, then yes, as a head coach, that's when you should step
09:15in.
09:16Same thing with the penalties and the lack of discipline, but I don't, the run game needs
09:20to improve obviously, but the offense is not the problem right now because you should be
09:23a defensive led team, but your defense in the strengths of your defense in previous
09:28years, like run defense are the areas where you're struggling the most.
09:31And now you have a game where even your good players like Devon Dodge shop are the ones
09:35who are struggling.
09:36And, you know, she Quail and Roy's trying his best.
09:38I don't even want to say that.
09:40I feel like that kind of sounds condescending, but he is, he's supposed to prepare like a
09:43starter, but he is a backup.
09:45And if this is a season where you have bar more and you have Bentley, these issues are
09:50not going to be as prominent.
09:52I really just don't believe that because of what their roles were and what the impact
09:56was that they brought last season, even with Bentley, you know, he was in and out of the
09:59lineup, but still having someone like bar more and God Shaw, and then named whoever
10:04in the middle.
10:05Like when one guy slipped, those guys were good enough to pick everybody else up.
10:08Now it doesn't feel like you have enough players who can overcome the deficiencies around them,
10:13but whether that's effort and execution, if they're not doing, if they're not where they're
10:17supposed to be, like Mayo mentioned, or if it's not the X's and O's it's execution, you
10:22need to be as involved as possible because if you are the head coach and you are allowing
10:26it to happen, or it is happening and you're not stopping it, you're allowing it.
10:29So I understand the criticism and I get, you know, how sometimes he doesn't phrase things
10:35correctly.
10:36There is a difference between calling your team soft and saying you are playing soft.
10:40And I, I don't think I did not interpret it and I get how people did, but I did not interpret
10:45that as him being like, these players are soft because clearly not all of them are like
10:49Kyle Duggar was clearly trying.
10:51He was one of the few guys, him, Daniel equality, like, and pretty Jennings, those dudes showed
10:56up yesterday and they were trying and you got the secondary for the most part, they're
10:59doing their jobs.
11:00Like there were a couple of busted coverages we'll talk about later today, but that wasn't
11:04the glaring issue.
11:06It's like you were getting run on and you couldn't get off the field.
11:08You got some stops.
11:10You didn't let them in the end zone for most of the second half until the end there, but
11:14you still couldn't get off the field when you had a deficit that you needed to overcome.
11:18That's the story.
11:19So again, that's why this all matters because once the execution gets better, people aren't
11:24going to harp on every little thing you say because they're going to want to put the good
11:27things in focus because that's what we all want.
11:30We all want the progress.
11:31We all want to be able to praise Drake man, be like, Hey, the defense is doing their job.
11:35This is what we expected, but they are shockingly not meeting expectations outside of their
11:40rookie quarterback.
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12:55It's wild how fast it flipped from the offense is terrible and the protection is terrible
13:00and the quarterback play stinks to, Oh, Drake may only got sacked once yesterday and he
13:04looks like one of the best young quarterbacks in football, but the defense two straight
13:07weeks is getting gashed in the run game.
13:09Let's up 41 and then 32 in consecutive weeks.
13:12And now all of a sudden that's the focus.
13:13And I think that's, I, I, I like that.
13:16It seems like they have the quarterback and that now they just have to put all the pieces
13:20around him.
13:22It takes a lot.
13:23And we'll, we'll get to that not only today, but through the rest of the week and through
13:25the rest of the season and into the off season, what they have to do to continue building
13:28this thing.
13:29But I do, we'll stay on the messaging piece for, for a second here.
13:33Do you have something?
13:34Actually, just one more thing, because this is what I asked Mayo during today's presser.
13:38I asked about the penalties and lack of discipline and the fact that a lot of that is coming
13:42from veteran players.
13:43Like Demontre Jacobs has been penalized three weeks in a row, young guy.
13:47He's in a tough spot, still not acceptable, especially when it's your second week in a
13:50row with a false start penalty.
13:51And one of them was at home, like I, you know, it's just, it's, if it's one thing, you know,
13:56no one talks about it, but then when it becomes a pattern, you have to acknowledge it.
13:59But we're talking about Mike and when he was committing a false start, Hunter Henry committing
14:03his second false start in a critical situation in three weeks, Dietrich Wise being someone
14:08who goes up in front of us and tells us about how they need to be more disciplined and how
14:12it's a lack of focus or, you know, emotions or what have you.
14:17And two weeks ago, he has a penalty lines up offsides and then wipes away, you know,
14:21it gets bailed out that wipes away a third downstop.
14:24And this week you completely lose track of the quarterback, literally ends up standing
14:28up looking around and Trevor Lawrence has broken the pocket and what, like, what are
14:34we doing?
14:35And Daniel equality was one of the guys after this game who called people out and was saying
14:38like, you know, some people need to check their egos at the door.
14:41And we talked to Dietrich Wise every week.
14:44I don't think he's got an ego.
14:45He's also got guys like Devon Godshaw, like to the same vein where Godshaw is the one
14:50who for weeks has been talking about guys being selfish and not doing their jobs.
14:53And he was getting run on yesterday.
14:55And at some point I get like, you know, you're going to have bad weeks.
14:58I'm not saying that Godshaw is a hypocrite or anything, but you know, and Gerard Mayo
15:02said it stinks when it's any player who's committing these penalties and he didn't really
15:05make it seem like it's specific to his veterans, but come on, man, we're talking about guys
15:09that you re-signed in the off season, guys that you're calling captains who are some
15:13of the guys who are committing penalties consistently or putting them in bad spots.
15:18So for me, that's another really bad sign for the coaching is I don't know what you
15:22do.
15:23And I said it last night with Zanis, but like, I am hesitant to criticize coaching because
15:28I don't always know what they go through.
15:30Like I'm the X's and O's guy.
15:31I watched the tape.
15:32I've never been a coach.
15:33I've never been on a coaching staff.
15:35I've been on a scouting department, you know, like they're very different things.
15:38So yeah, it's two different wings of the bell for sure.
15:41Right.
15:42And I try to learn as I go.
15:43And I don't know where exactly the problem is.
15:45Like, obviously you want to say coaching, but I'm not going to put that out there.
15:48If I can't-
15:49What is the coaching point?
15:50Right.
15:51It's clear that there's some, there's a disconnect with coaching right now.
15:53It's hard to determine exactly what it is and not being in the room and understanding
15:57what the coaching point is on this certain play versus this certain play.
16:01It's difficult to kind of figure out what exactly is going on.
16:04I know we get paid to have opinions.
16:05I just don't want to put my foot in my mouth and go out there and say and stuff.
16:08And I don't know what I'm talking about, but again-
16:10Like Gerard Mayo, putting your foot in your mouth.
16:13I mean, yes, but I'm more media trained to be fair.
16:15I've been a little longer than he has, but at the end of the day, I keep getting called
16:19like a Mayo shill.
16:20And I guess part of that is why I feel like I'm really defensive right now, but I'm not
16:25okay with this.
16:26Like I grew up for like half my life, but I grew up watching the Patriots and that's
16:31why I have the job I have now.
16:32I want to see them do well.
16:33Do you guys think it's fun covering a team that's struggling?
16:36Like it's literally my job to tell you why a team that I grew up rooting for sucks right
16:41now.
16:42It's not fun.
16:43It's not.
16:44I think we also need to have some level of a measured approach while also being critical
16:48when we need to be.
16:49And I don't think that there's been a lack of criticism towards Mayo on this pod.
16:54I just think there hasn't been as much of a like wringing the pants-
16:57We're not jumping to conclusions right away on it.
17:00Let's sort of let it play out and give it some time.
17:02And I think you tweeted it last night, which is, I guess it's obviously the ceiling of
17:07where this can turn.
17:08And it's the Detroit Lions where they started and they sucked, right?
17:12And they started, oh, and whatever.
17:13And Jared Goff looked like a show-
17:15Oh, and 10.
17:16Oh, and 10.
17:17And then they got out of line.
17:18I think they tied.
17:19Right.
17:20And then all of a sudden they started, and they started the following season, oh, and
17:22six.
17:23And one of those games was against the Patriots.
17:24Then all of a sudden they turned it around and they were in week 17 and almost made the
17:27playoffs.
17:28And so like this can turn around.
17:30And I think right now it is one in six and there's such a complete 180 from the Belichick
17:37era where it was, don't tell them anything, only speak for yourself.
17:41And they've completely gone away from that.
17:43And it's, we're going to tell you everything and we're not just going to speak for ourselves.
17:49We're going to call out our teammates and say, no, this is happening.
17:52We need to fix this.
17:53It's not just, I'm not doing my job.
17:55It's everybody else isn't doing their job.
17:57And that's not only a Patriots thing, right?
18:00Other teams do this and other successful teams do this.
18:03And it's, there's different ways to, you know, skin a cat, right?
18:08And I think with these soft comments in particular, I do appreciate that Drake May and KJ Osborne
18:16both said that he's not telling you guys anything he hasn't said to us.
18:19And I do believe he went into the locker room and said, we need to run the damn football.
18:23We need to stop the damn run and we need to cover kicks.
18:26And speaking of which, I'm sorry to cut you off, but you can find Matt Patricia clinics
18:30where he puts it up on a board because those are the fundamentals that Bill Belichick has
18:35been, had been coaching this team for years.
18:38Those are foundational.
18:39I'm sure you got it from Parcells.
18:40Like those are foundational Patriots laws.
18:43If you cannot run the ball, stop the running cover kicks.
18:45Yes, you are not tough.
18:47And if you are not tough, you are soft.
18:49The phrasing matters, but this is not a new philosophy.
18:52They've been saying this for decades.
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19:55I think that's where phrasing matters and it gets harped on when you're one in six,
20:00right?
20:01And so when he goes in there and say, we're playing soft football, we need to figure this
20:03out for lack of a better term.
20:06And again, we don't know.
20:07We're not in the room.
20:08We don't know what they're saying, but he clearly told them that before he came to the
20:10podium, but then he came to the podium and said, we're a soft football team.
20:15And he's just, he's in over again, if you want to interpret it the way that he meant
20:21it, you can, but you can also take it the other way where it sounds like fucking shit
20:25about your team right now.
20:28He's so in over his head right now.
20:32And that can change.
20:33You can learn from mistakes.
20:35And that's why it goes the same with quarterbacks in the NFL, where they come in, they stink
20:40and you cut them and you release them and you trade them right away instead of developing
20:44them and letting them grow and learn through mistakes.
20:46And Hey, we're going to change this.
20:47We're going to change that.
20:49We see bill Belichick in year 25.
20:52Know that everything, every time I stop every comma, everything is going to be criticized.
20:57So I'm just not going to tell you anything and everything I do tell you, I know exactly
21:02what I'm saying.
21:03And that's why I only speak for myself.
21:04And right now they're changing that and for better or for worse, it's not going the way
21:09they plan because they're one in six.
21:11And so I'm with you.
21:13It's messy.
21:14It's ugly, but I'm not one of the people that's going to say, Hey, you need to fire this guy
21:19instantly.
21:20Like things can, there are people literally calling for this guy's job right now.
21:23And a Robert Kraft always says, measure nine times, caught once he's not going to cut bait
21:27with Gerard Mayo after this season, whether you think he should or shouldn't, we're going
21:31to see this at least for another season, maybe another two, and he's going to let them grow
21:34and develop in this role and for better or worse, that's what's going to happen.
21:39So I have a few things to touch on here because one, the using the media to send a message
21:45is not new.
21:47Belichick did it.
21:48And I'm sure at least partially he did it because Parcells did it.
21:52Parcells was open about it, Bill, not so much, although it was pretty obvious.
21:56Now Mayo's doing it, but he's being very transparent about it, which is jarring because it's like,
22:00Whoa, okay.
22:01You're just going to say it like you're going to, that's very meta view, but everything
22:04you're saying where he's young and he needs time, every, that all sounds like Mayo's comments
22:10about Jalen Pope, what he's saying right now, where he's got the mental hurdles.
22:14But you know, with Alex van Pelt said, success will fix everything and Pope just needs to
22:19figure it out.
22:20Eventually the light bulb is going to click.
22:21I know I saw some video.
22:22I wish I'd actually watch it.
22:23I just saw it when I was scrolling about why that's actually not a good thing to tell athletes
22:27that eventually the light bulb will click because I think it sets a bad expectation,
22:30but it's just going to happen and they don't have to work for it type of thing.
22:33Maybe not even necessarily that, but like, if you do work for it and you still don't
22:37get it, it may be like, well, instead of trying to find other avenues, you just think something's
22:40wrong with you.
22:41And again, I haven't watched the video.
22:43I should look it up and try to figure that out.
22:44But the point is it's, he's in a similar situation to Pope where he keeps saying Pope has a bright
22:49future.
22:50He's just got to figure it out.
22:51Does that sound familiar?
22:52That's all it happens with Mayo, where he is hoping to turn it around.
22:56He knows that, like you said, he's in over his head, whether he acknowledged it or not,
23:00no one could have predicted what's gone on with the team so far from the injuries to
23:04trading Jude on to just the bro pepper situation, like everything that has been thrown on his
23:10plate.
23:11On top of the fact that he already took over for the most successful coach at the NFL has
23:15ever seen.
23:17And I know he's not doing a great job right now because they're not winning and he's not
23:20handling the media stuff well.
23:22But like you said, we need to let this guy grow.
23:24And to be fair, at least the coaching staff is making changes.
23:28The guys who we call that we literally said last week, well, who's going to be the shakeups
23:34coming?
23:35Who's going to play more?
23:36Who's going to play less?
23:37We call that Rayquan McMillan.
23:38We call Keon White on early down, specifically with them putting like beefier guys in there.
23:42So wise and white didn't have to constantly be on the interior.
23:45What did we see?
23:46Christian now was a starter, much less Rayquan McMillan, Keon White.
23:50A lot of the game and Dietrich wise were replaced by Daniel equality.
23:54Like Eric Johnson was in there.
23:55He didn't play particularly well.
23:56I think maybe Jeremiah Farms isn't playing up to their standard and that's another guy
24:00that they had as a healthy scratch, at least as far as we know.
24:03But I mean, they're trying to figure it out.
24:05They're trying to see what lineup works best and which guys are trying to go out there
24:09and compete.
24:10It's just, you know, when things are bad like this and you're one in six, it's because things
24:15are bad all over the place and it's not one guy, it's not even sometimes two guys.
24:19It's like you have problems and they don't have a lot of resources to fix them either.
24:23So I do want to give the coaching staff some credit because they're trying to figure out
24:27the permutations that work on offense and defense.
24:30But obviously like at some point you need the results to shine through just to get the
24:34people off your back.
24:35Like you said, Dan Campbell was 0-10 before his bye or, you know, whatever it was that
24:39they started.
24:40And every single time the Lions lose, people are like, is Dan Campbell actually not a good
24:43coach?
24:44Is he just a rah-rah guy?
24:45So like anytime you lose, this is going to happen.
24:47And I want to pivot that into our final point, Taylor, before we finish this up.
24:50And it's yes, Mayo uses the media for messaging and he's letting it be known.
24:57His players are also doing that.
24:58And this is new, right?
24:59Godshaw's calling out people.
25:01We talked about a little bit.
25:02Equality's calling out people.
25:03Patrick Bourne as well.
25:04Yesterday said the same thing.
25:06And then you have the wide receiver room, Jalen Polk with the peace sign, KJ Osborne
25:09posting the conversation with his friend about how he was supposedly going to be inactive
25:15on or he was told that the guys you thought were going to be the high character guys,
25:20not that I'm calling them bad people or anything like Osborne, like KB, I can kind of see that
25:25because he sees himself as a team leader and the team has called him a leader.
25:28But like, I did not expect this kind of stuff from Polk and KJ Osborne.
25:31Neither did I.
25:33It's so much different compared to what we've seen here in the past.
25:37And the pointing fingers isn't going to go all that far.
25:42And I get Mayo says like, you know, you're going to challenge your brother and, you know,
25:45go, you tell a guy to do this and hopefully they're going to rise to the standard.
25:49But it also sometimes turns into pointing fingers and everyone say, well, why are you
25:52posting this?
25:53Why don't you just keep your mouth shut and just work and blah, blah, blah.
25:55And so I wonder, yes, I'm not happy with the way Mayo is handling things right now.
26:02I think he's in over his head.
26:04I do want to give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him to learn and grow through it.
26:07But at the same time, you're one in six, you have all this noise on the outside.
26:12How fast do you lose a locker room and how fast does it completely unravel?
26:16And you don't end up having a chance to save yourself because guys in the room are so upset
26:20and it's just turning into this nagging, aching, painful, losing season.
26:25And Mayo said he's not worried about it.
26:27He said he was asked about it yesterday.
26:28He said, I'm not worried about losing the room.
26:30The guys understand every week's his own week.
26:32We have to turn the page and that all sounds all well and good.
26:35I just wonder at what point does it become, okay, we need to just keep our mouth shuts
26:39and turn back the page in this, in this sort of attitude towards the media and go back
26:44to what it was like beforehand.
26:47I mean, he said also, like you got to go through hell to get to heaven and all that stuff.
26:51Like, do you also want them to completely pivot what, and I understand like changes
26:56need to be made.
26:57Insinuating that they need to just stay on course because clearly, but they're also,
27:01like I said, they're trying to do it in terms of the roster.
27:03I don't know what they're doing behind the scenes, but it sounds like the fast start
27:06periods were something that they kind of introduced relatively recently because they weren't
27:09starting off fast and like another frustrating thing that worked.
27:13And then the opposite happened where not the opposite, because they've been pretty bad
27:16in the middle of games too, but they had the fast start and then just completely like fell
27:20off the face of the earth.
27:21It felt so good.
27:22It was like, Oh wow.
27:23Fast start period.
27:24Get off to a 10 nothing.
27:25Let's go.
27:26So that's the two points in the second quarter.
27:27And I think it's just the kind of thing that's going to take tweaking.
27:29And I don't think that huge wholesale decision-making and a change in philosophy is necessarily
27:35the move.
27:36I think that's where you, that's where you're admitting that you're panicking.
27:39And I think as much, as much crap as he's getting now, it can always be worse.
27:43And if he decides that he's going to just try to become bill and not tell us anything,
27:48he's going to get crap for that.
27:49Oh yeah.
27:50It's winning.
27:51Just prove it on the field.
27:52And then no one's going to care what you say.
27:53And then you can go back to being gregarious.
27:56You know, draw that everybody loves and no one wants to critique because the results
27:59are there.
28:00And everyone can just enjoy that.
28:01You know, you're having success in an area that hasn't had it in a while.
28:04And you're a nice guy who, you know, was raised as a player and a coach here and all that,
28:08like that storyline becomes awesome.
28:10But you know, I said it to you guys earlier and it's a saying that, you know, has been
28:14going around the NFL for a while.
28:15The same reason they hire you is the same thing that's going to get you fired.
28:18So, you know, we loved all this after the win and everyone's rooting for Mayo and now
28:22very quickly because you have a six game losing streak.
28:25People aren't really, you know, people don't think it's cute anymore, right?
28:28And winning is the only thing that's going to fix that.
28:30We'll see how they try to get that done.
28:33Winning changes everything.
28:34Taylor Kyle's and it may take some time.
28:36We've seen the good example.
28:37Like I mentioned, the Lions, you know, hope and pray that it turns into Detroit and not
28:41like some other messes we've seen around the NFL, but it's a process and we'll see how
28:45it plays out.
28:46Me and Taylor will be back here on Pat's daily breaking down Patriots versus Jaguars in the
28:50film room.
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29:02Take care of yourselves.
29:03Take care of each other and we'll talk to you soon.
29:04Peace out, everyone.