Breaking Down Scott Peters' Strike System w/ Owen Riese | Patriots Daily
On this episode of Pats Daily, Taylor Kyles is joined by Owen Riese, assistant OL at UW-Platteville and assistant director of college scouting at the Shrine Bowl, to break down Scott Peters' strike system, which has drawn universal praise from Patriots offensive linemen
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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James Whitefield, Yates Mena Kimes.
00:09All right, so first play we're going to look at, second and two, one of the Patriots' first
00:13offensive plays.
00:15What's going on, everyone?
00:16Taylor Kyles here for CLNS Media, coming at you with another episode of Pat's Daily, brought
00:21to you by our good friends at Game Time.
00:23The offensive line for the Patriots was one of the most heavily scrutinized position groups
00:28heading into not just training camp, but the entire offseason.
00:32However, now that the pads have come on, the offensive line is starting to impress, and
00:36actually looks very competitive against a stout Patriots defensive front.
00:40Now when speaking to the offensive linemen, one thing that they keep bringing up, and
00:44this is partially my fault because I keep asking about it, is Scott Peters, the offensive
00:48line coach's strike system.
00:50It's a very interesting way, basically another form of communication to simplify the process
00:56of battling defensive linemen and pass protection, and to help not only break down the Patriots'
01:00offensive line and Scott Peters, but also this strike system.
01:04I've got my good buddy, Owen Reese, with me.
01:07He's an assistant offensive line coach and offensive quality control coach, and NFL liaison
01:12for UW-Plattsville football, and an assistant director of college scouting at Optimum Scouting
01:18and the Shrine Bowl.
01:19Very busy man.
01:20Thank you for your time.
01:21Owen, welcome to the pod, and thanks for coming, buddy.
01:24How you doing?
01:26Hey, man.
01:27Thanks for having me.
01:28It's been good.
01:29We're gearing up.
01:30I was telling you before the show, the Badgers are here for two weeks for their camp, which
01:32is a nice little primer for us heading into ours in a couple weeks.
01:35So things are good.
01:36It's football time in the fall, so we're ready to go.
01:38Hell yeah, brother.
01:39Busy season is here.
01:40All right, before we get into Scott Peters and the strike system, I want to know what
01:44you think about the Patriots' offensive line, because with this Alex Van Pelt offense, you
01:49know it's going to be a lot of outside zone.
01:51Not exclusively.
01:52Very diverse run game, but it's centered around that outside zone scheme, and the way I kind
01:57of came into it was I wasn't sure how the Patriots were going to do with it, because
02:01you got guys like Mike Nwenu, like David Andrews.
02:04These are really big, burly guys who you don't really think of as the kind of athletes you
02:08necessarily want moving sideline to sideline, but they've been doing pretty well so far,
02:13and in terms of the structure.
02:14So it's been city, so David Andrews and Mike Nwenu inside pretty consistently.
02:19Over the past four days, we've actually seen Chukcho Korafor at right tackle after starting
02:23at left, and rookie Kaden Wallace as the blindside protector after he told us that he's been
02:29better with his independent hand usage and not opening up as quickly to speed on the
02:32outside.
02:33So, with that kind of primer detail on what's been going on recently, what do you think
02:38about this potential offensive line group and their potential for this season?
02:41Yeah, I think they are interesting, right, because even when you get into guys like Antonio
02:45Mafi or other guys, you probably tend to think the prior regime was more gap scheme,
02:50more heavy-handed, bigger dudes, and to an extent, that's just what they've got, right,
02:55and so you're going to continue to work with that.
02:57And also, I think the teams that truly major in wide zone, like someone like San Francisco
03:04or someone like Arthur Smith or some of these guys, they do have more smaller, finesse guys,
03:12elite athletes, right, of the position to truly, like, this is what we do all the time.
03:16I think it's a bit of a misnomer that you can still be a wide zone team with bigger
03:20guys that aren't necessarily these elite athletes.
03:23You just have to be willing to do it and work at it, right, because it's not so much like
03:27Mike Anwenu, I mean, obviously, he played tackle, he's done some other stuff, but you're
03:31right, you're not going to be known as, yeah, he's a really elite mover, right, but as someone
03:37like him, if you're willing to sell out and go, right, the defense still has to honor
03:41it, right?
03:42You might not have a group of guys that are tailor-made to be a true wide zone scheme
03:46team.
03:47You can be good at it enough, and just kind of by, if that's your primary run scheme,
03:52although you are very multiple in it, you can be good enough at it to make defenses
03:56at least honor it and respect it, right?
03:57They may not have to truly sell out or game plan for this play, but that still can be
04:02the basis for a lot of the things you do on offense, and you can be good enough functionally
04:06within that.
04:07I think the inside guys are very solid, right, obviously, and I mentioned it, I think I saw
04:11Mafia at one point, they got in some center reps during-
04:13A lot of center reps recently, yeah.
04:16I mean, obviously, David Andrews is not the youngest cat anymore, right, but they're continuing
04:21to rotate those guys through, and I think, obviously, paying on Wenu was a huge part
04:25of, right, them showing, like, no, this is someone we're investing in.
04:28City So, another perfect, like, perfect Patriots.
04:32How in the hell did they find this guy, right?
04:34He's an older guy from Eastern Michigan who probably should have been in a bigger All-Star
04:38team, the one I worked for included, probably, and that's something that they were able to
04:42do their homework and stayed true to that.
04:45The tackles, right, and that's the real conversation.
04:48Okorafor, obviously, coming over from Pittsburgh, a bit of a project, I would say, I don't mean
04:54that in a negative light, but someone who hasn't truly, you know, you probably think
04:58of as more tools-y or trades-y as opposed to, like, a true polished product, and maybe
05:02on the other side, Cade Wallace, who we were lucky enough to have at the Shrine Bowl this
05:06past year, it wasn't awesome to have him there for the week, but had played a ton of
05:10right tackle in the Big Ten, and some of us had thought, well, maybe he slides in the
05:13guard or whatever the case, but really, you know, if you're not going to get a true, like,
05:21elite athlete left tackle pass pro guy, I mean, like, Wallace is a, the biggest thing,
05:25like, he didn't have a standout trait, but he was very solid, if not above average, everything,
05:30right?
05:31So, you can find that solid package of left tackle and get him in there and get him comfortable
05:36right?
05:37We've seen in the NFL time and time again, you don't need to have this, I mean, you don't
05:39need Trent Williams to have a good left tackle, now, would you take him?
05:43Yeah.
05:44But, like, you can, you can get by, and I think all of this to say, overarching to say,
05:49having Scott Peters having his own room for the first time in the NFL, I'm really curious
05:52to see how this turns out, because I do think he is a huge developmental coach, right?
05:57I think he would tell you that, right?
05:59Everything is very learning-based, it's not, you know, it's not like, well, how talented
06:04are you?
06:05And that can change your floor or ceiling, but he's going to coach you and give you ways
06:08to win, and I think that'll be really curious to see, especially at tackle, with these two
06:12lesser-known, lesser-proven guys, how New England's offense will kind of come together,
06:17and especially up front, how they'll start to gel as we approach the preseason here shortly.
06:22We're gonna get into Scott Peters a bit more in a second, but I'm curious, with the tackles,
06:26is there a certain side that you think either one of them should be on?
06:30Because when we were seeing it in, like, minicamp, it was Chooks on the left side, and considering
06:34his body type, he looks like a left tackle, like, just basically a jumbo kind of tight
06:38end.
06:39I figured, especially with the experience, because they're both kind of career-right
06:41tackles over the past few seasons, I thought Chooks on the left side made more sense, and
06:46while it's on the right side, especially him and Edwin, who, selfishly, I'm just like,
06:49I'd love to see them, like, plucking together.
06:51But do you think there's a certain side either guy should be on, or with this Scott Peters
06:55offense where there's a lot of cross-training, you know, it's a little bit up in the air
06:58wherever they feel most comfortable?
06:59What are your thoughts?
07:00Yeah, I mean, obviously, they're a lot more familiar and comfortable with the personnel
07:04than I am.
07:05I think, though, once you, I think that the sides thing, especially at this point, is
07:09pretty overplayed, right?
07:10I think, like, to a certain extent, obviously, like, more times than not, right, like, you're
07:14the best athlete, whatever's going to be the left tackle, but, like, I don't think that,
07:18I think that gets overplayed a bit.
07:19I think that just let them get comfortable at a spot, I think, would be the bigger thing.
07:24I think it is counterproductive to continue to flip them side to side.
07:27This isn't a swing-tackle conversation where you can just, you need to be good enough at
07:31both, right?
07:32Like, if they're going to be your starting guys, eventually, once you get them settled
07:35in, like, let them, let them get figured out, and whether, if Caden Wallace is your left
07:39tackle, like I said, maybe not how you quite draw it up, right?
07:42But if he's going to be there, at least you have to give him an opportunity to truly get
07:45settled in there.
07:46So, if you're going to make that change, do it right away and get him as many reps as
07:49possible so he can be, can be good to go, and here in a couple weeks, and I think it'll
07:54be cool, too, as we've seen in the NFL the past couple years, right, this, like, huge
07:58exodus of, like, regular players playing in the preseason.
08:02It's going to be huge for guys like that, right, like, David Andrews might not play
08:05a ton in the preseason, but, like, I bet you that left guard, left tackle, and right tackle
08:10will play a lot, right?
08:11And so that's a, a huge deal of, as far as allowing those guys to get more comfortable
08:14and meaningful game reps against guys that aren't your teammates to, to kind of get your
08:19feet wet a little bit.
08:20So, I think those will be huge.
08:21And you mentioned with Scott Peters, the developmental traits that he brings, and being able to really
08:26build guys up that way.
08:27Let's get a little deeper into that.
08:28What are your thoughts on Scott Peters as this first-time offensive line coach leading
08:32his own room?
08:33And on top of the developmental stuff, what does he bring that you think he can really
08:37help maximize this offensive line that's kind of been all over the place the past couple
08:41seasons because of the inconsistency with the coaching situation?
08:44Yeah.
08:45So, I guess, realistically, like, my familiarity with Scott Peters started in 2019.
08:49I was a graduate assistant at UW-Whitewater, and a huge tenant of what we did there, and,
08:54and, like, this was, I had the opportunity to coach Quinn Miners, which I'm extremely
08:58grateful for.
09:00But we use a tip-of-the-spear strike technique, which is Scott Peters' kind of baby, and he's
09:04brought that.
09:05And if you've ever met or, like, physically, like, shook hands with Scott Peters, right?
09:10Like, this is a dude who was a very good offensive lineman at Arizona State back in the 90s.
09:14And, like, the dude is, what, I mean, 50, probably?
09:17And he's shredded.
09:18Like, had a, had a mixed martial arts career, actually, after football.
09:23And you can tell, like, the dude is still in shape and is, you know, like, physically
09:28capable.
09:29And so, all of that is based off of, I get, I say that to say it, right, like, the martial
09:33arts stuff is kind of the basis of his strike system.
09:36And there's a lot of good stuff out there on the internet.
09:38You can find some, some materials and stuff.
09:40But I think, like, the biggest thing is coaching it, like, especially at our level, the Division
09:44III level.
09:46I think it's, it's very, like, very translatable and very, very easily adaptable to different
09:52body types or different type of guys, right?
09:54Because, and one of the big things we'll get into, and some of this has to do with the
09:57fighting stuff, right, but with the striking, everything is very emphasized on striking
10:02with your palm, here, like, the inside of your palm, and really tight, as strong as
10:07part of your body, right, or your hand, here, and then also being really skeletally aligned.
10:11Let me see if I can do a better job here, right, being, like, skeletally aligned, right?
10:14So, we talk about all the time, even with our guys, right, like, being, right, like,
10:18if you go, like, a lot of guys, right, if you have inside thumbs, right, a lot of that,
10:22like, what do you have to do to accomplish that, right?
10:23Like, even if you keep your elbows tight, and you try to do this, it's awkward, right?
10:26So, generally, like, right, like, I'm going to push somebody, what are you going to do?
10:30Your hand, your thumbs are inside, so what do you do?
10:31Your elbows are out, right, they flare, and this is really easily compressible, right?
10:36But if you're here, you tighten, you turn, you tighten this hand, tighten this elbow,
10:41right, all of a sudden, like, even if, even if you do give up ground here, you've got
10:44your body and your frame to, to hold that off of, right?
10:47And so, I think it does a good job of, like, maximizing your skeletal and, like, functional
10:52human being strength, as opposed to, like, well, I need to bench press 600 pounds to
10:56be able to do this technique, well, no, you can just use your body and your frame to use
11:01a lot of that.
11:02And so, I say that to say, like, it is very developmentally based, at least in my brain,
11:06it's been effective and fairly easy for us to teach.
11:10And then, and again, we'll get to in a second here with the system, but it gives the guys
11:12a lot of tools and a lot of, you know, it's not just like, well, you have to use this
11:16technique or you won't win, right?
11:17Like, it gives you a lot of different options and stuff.
11:20And so, that's my familiarity with Scott Peters.
11:24The first year I scouted for the Shrine Bull would have been the 22 NFL draft.
11:30And he was actually the O-line coach for that group.
11:33And so, I was able to kind of sit in on a couple meetings, I was lucky enough to be
11:36able to do that.
11:37And it was cool to hear the same things from him out of his mouth in real life that we
11:41had talked about in college stuff, right?
11:43Like, it's all very, it's one of those things, if it works for NFL guys, it works for college
11:47guys, right?
11:48D3 guys, right?
11:49Like, it's very, like, it's fundamentally based and you can give the guys different
11:52tools.
11:53You can give these guys with superior genetics to get to accomplish the same things, but
11:57obviously at a faster, higher level against higher level competition.
12:00So, I'm excited to see Scott Peters in his own room.
12:03I mean, obviously, selfishly, I'm fairly familiar with him that way.
12:07And so, I'm not going to pretend like I know all 32 NFL line coaches and their backgrounds
12:11or whatever.
12:12So, this is a bit interesting.
12:14It is a bit polarizing, admittedly, like in the offensive line community, there are people
12:17that are very for it.
12:19And there are people that once they hear it, they're very against it or very cynical about
12:25it a bit, very skeptical of like, well, that doesn't make sense.
12:28That's not how this works.
12:29You would never do that.
12:30And whether it's right or wrong, right, like, I'm not here to advocate for Scott Peters,
12:34but the, right, like, in my experience, it's been easy to teach the kids, it's been easily
12:40appliable and they've succeeded doing it.
12:42So, that's just kind of my background as far as my familiarity with Scott Peters and stuff,
12:47but it's been really good.
12:48And I tend to believe until I am given reason to believe otherwise, he'll continue to succeed
12:54in New England with his first full opportunity with an offensive line room.
12:57And I'm curious, given the access that you did, you were already coaching him, like you
13:01mentioned, what did you learn from him during that time that you maybe implemented that
13:05you hadn't been before?
13:07Well, and so I won't take credit for this, but like I was at Whitewater, we were more
13:11based off of simply the tip of the spear fundamentals as opposed to true, like different, differing
13:18sets and differing strikes and stuff.
13:21And this past year at UW Platteville, our offensive coordinator here is Brent Allen,
13:25who's the offensive line coach at Whitewater that I assisted there as well.
13:29And so now that's when like this past year, we really started to actually delve into and
13:33kind of broaden our horizons a little bit, taking over an offensive line room here that
13:38had been an air raid team for 25 years and kind of creating a more diverse portfolio
13:44for those guys as far as, well, we're running more complex run schemes, we are doing different
13:49stuff in the past game, you're going to need different ways to win.
13:52And so now that we've kind of continued to branch out with that and continue to just
13:55kind of grow and get better at teaching and coaching our guys, that's where I became more
14:00familiar with.
14:01But that to say, he was using that obviously in 22 at the game and hearing him talk about
14:08I wasn't super familiar with it at the time, you can see on film, right, like you can you
14:12can visualize it.
14:13I just didn't know or didn't correlate the numbers in different types of sets with what
14:17was happening.
14:18But he's been doing this for for quite a while.
14:20So like I said, admittedly, we didn't put that into practice here until last year as
14:25far as the different sets and strikes.
14:27But the fundamentals of tip of spear ideology has been something that we've been for quite
14:31a while now.
14:32And we're going to actually get into that strike system and get your take on the different
14:35phases, the background, all that good stuff.
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15:49So before we actually get into the strike system, I just want people to have an understanding
15:53of why is so unique.
15:55So what, how or how are offensive line techniques and pass protection typically taught?
16:01Obviously everybody has different ways, but overarching and why is Scott Peter system
16:05so different from what's typically done?
16:08I guess the best way I can describe it is it like it, it firmly like gives a, a name
16:14for something.
16:15And you mentioned the communication earlier, right?
16:16The, the ease of communication, why did this, I did this, this, okay, well then that makes
16:20sense why that happened.
16:21Right?
16:22The biggest thing I think is in how I was taught to pass protect is in a lot of the
16:26tenants and principles remain very similar, right?
16:28You try to maintain a half man relationship.
16:30You try to stay inside out of the defensive lineman and some coaches are a single hand
16:34strikers or independent guys.
16:36Some hands, some guys are double hand strike guys and pass pro.
16:41As far as like the, the true, like, you know, like fundamentals of it are fairly similar.
16:45I think the biggest thing though, is that it allows, it's just kind of better organized
16:49at least in my, that's not to knock anyone else's stuff.
16:52Just from my experience, this has been easier to translate and easier to communicate with
16:55the players mid game.
16:56Right?
16:57Like, well, no, like, yeah, I, I, I've been B setting him, but this time I see set him
17:02and then I shot a one, three and you're like, well, okay, well you see that what's a vertical
17:07set, right?
17:08So it's more, you're in, you're not going to get as much with, but you're going to get
17:10more depth off the line of scrimmage.
17:12Right?
17:13So I shot a one, which is a, we'll get to in a second, but like an outside, outside
17:16peck strike.
17:17Right.
17:18Anticipating.
17:19Right.
17:20It's a vertical set.
17:21I'm giving up the inside.
17:22I think he's going to try to do that.
17:23So I brought a three and under hook to try to stop that.
17:25Right.
17:26You're like, okay, well that makes sense.
17:27Right.
17:28So it's different things with, yeah.
17:29Like I just didn't land my three.
17:30Okay.
17:31Right.
17:32Like I missed my strike and he was able to get across my face.
17:33Different things like that.
17:34So I think now becoming more familiar and obviously we'll talk about this.
17:38We don't use the complete full tree of what he has to offer.
17:42But just simply being able to, and more familiar with that, you're able to communicate quicker
17:45and more effectively with your guys.
17:47And the bigger thing too, especially at our level, and obviously the NFL is a way different
17:51animal than what we deal with here.
17:52Right.
17:53But we just try to teach like pass protection as a concept, as a big picture and let the
17:57guys kind of choose how they want to do it.
17:59Right.
18:00At the division three level, we have a right tackle on our team who is, our starter is
18:04six foot and 260 pounds, right?
18:06That's different than his, the third string right tackle who is six, seven and 310 pounds.
18:13Right.
18:14So very, very differing things.
18:15And so the smaller guy was a triple option guy in high school and the bigger guy was
18:19not right.
18:20So they have different temperaments, different play styles, different, whatever.
18:23And so you can't just say, well, yeah, well you're all going to pass that the same, right?
18:27Like what, why that guy's seven inches taller than me and weighs 50 pounds more.
18:31Why would I do the same exact thing?
18:33Right.
18:34And so what this kind of allows you to do is, is be right.
18:37Like the smaller guys can probably going to be more of right.
18:40Like I'm willing to play in space, right?
18:42The bigger cat is at the division three level probably isn't going to run a four nine, right?
18:46So we're probably going to jump set a lot because if I can just get on you and make
18:50you adjust, right, that that'll screw up your timing as a defensive lineman, it'll help
18:53you succeed.
18:54Right.
18:55You won't, you can give yourself, you can buy yourself more time as opposed to trying
18:59to, you know, there's different, different philosophies, different strategies.
19:03And so with, with this system, I think the most effective thing is it gives guys, you
19:07know, a palette of, of options and they can choose from that.
19:10And then just knowing, understanding, because you chose this, you are strong here, but you
19:15are weak here and you can play to that.
19:17And then, and it kind of, once you understand that, that overarching picture, you can play
19:21faster and obviously more confident.
19:22All right.
19:23Now I'm excited to actually get into this.
19:25We got the intro.
19:26Now let's actually break down this strike system.
19:28So this is what I found from a YouTube video.
19:31You can find it super easily.
19:32Just look up Scott Peter strike system.
19:33It'll be right there.
19:35So before we get into what each individual category entails and all the different techniques,
19:40can you break down what sets mean?
19:42What does strikes mean?
19:43What the counters mean and how they actually work together in pass protection?
19:47Yeah.
19:48So a set is basically your, your method of getting out of your stance and how you, how
19:55you're going to go about getting to right.
19:59Like a land, a certain landmark or a certain spot.
20:01And we kind of teach this, right?
20:02Where is your base off of the defender's alignment?
20:04Where is your anticipated moment of, of collision, right?
20:07Or where's your, your, your, where are you trying to cut them off from getting to, right?
20:11Cause like as a tackle against an end, for instance, right?
20:14Like if there's a certain spot where, and you'll see it every Sunday, right?
20:18Speed rusher can beat you to this spot.
20:19You're going to either have to use very poor technique or you're going to hold, or you're
20:22going to give up a sack, right?
20:24Or all three probably.
20:25Right.
20:26Like it's, and so we try to determine based off a defender's alignment and based off of
20:29the player who's doing it right.
20:31Like a, so a set is your different, different methods to get to a different spot.
20:36Any given spot you think is, is going to be where you would think the moment of confrontation
20:41is going to happen, right?
20:42A strike.
20:44And so all of our stuff at the moment, we, we are an independent hand.
20:47Scott Peters is an independent hands teacher, right?
20:50And so all of these, I want you to think of as separate one hand strikes, one strikes.
20:56And then, and that's meant to, to attack and right.
21:00And the biggest thing is like to deflect force of the defender, right?
21:04We talked about the tip of the spear talks about using your, your leverage and strength
21:09to, to change the path, right?
21:12Because like very rarely are you going to encounter or encounter a human being that's
21:16physically just strong enough to say, right, like I have a NFL example, right?
21:22Chuck Sikora four has Matt Judon rushing at him, right?
21:25Matt Judon's what, 275, 280, right?
21:28NFL offensive lineman may be the, some of the few people in the world that can do this,
21:32right?
21:33But it's going to be very rare, even at their level to see a guy just simply take, absorb
21:37all of that force and redirect it backwards, right?
21:40Like it's just very difficult, right?
21:44So we're, we always talk about trying to deflect or change the course of their force, right?
21:48If I have a pass rusher coming at me, if I can do a strike in his direction, right?
21:54He still is going to be running just as hard, right?
21:56But it's just not going to, it'll no longer be through my face, right?
21:59It'll be out to the side.
22:00I can force him in, right?
22:02If you can bolt right against a bull rush, you're trying to force the, make the force
22:05go up, right?
22:06So you can get underneath and change that.
22:08So the strike is the different methods of trying to deflect or change their momentum.
22:13And so you can basically slow them down so you can contain it.
22:17Probably the best big picture way I can see.
22:21And then a counter, and we talked about this a bit pre-show, we don't necessarily use counters
22:25as a preset thing for the strike system so much, right?
22:29Like we will have set in place counters for certain moves that a defender may do.
22:34But as far as like our, how we kind of do counters is like the second strike, the parent
22:39strike, as opposed to a true set counter.
22:42So counter would be as obviously, right, like how to defend against a, either one, your
22:47plan A didn't work or their plan A didn't work.
22:50How are you going to attack their plan B?
22:52So for those unfamiliar, a counter is simply just, right, and think of it like unboxing,
22:56right?
22:57They make a move.
22:58How are you going to adjust to it?
22:59Right?
23:00It's not all reactionary.
23:01It's how are we going to kind of cut them off at the same path, right?
23:04So that's the difference between sets, strikes and counters.
23:08Do you want me to get into it or do you want to try to set this up, I think?
23:12Yeah, no, absolutely.
23:13Because I'll say for one thing, I've asked City So about this because Caden Wallace brought
23:17it up and that's kind of what got me down this whole rabbit hole.
23:20And he was talking about how with strikes, he was like, yeah, there was a first day pad.
23:23So he mentioned, you know, they didn't look great without the pads on, which, you know,
23:27it's trench play.
23:28It's kind of ridiculous to judge anyway.
23:30But he said, yeah, I actually hit a guy, I got my punch in and the rep was over and I
23:33was actually kind of surprised.
23:34So sometimes you don't even need the counters because that physicality, like you mentioned,
23:38you want to redirect if you can.
23:40But if you're a powerful guy like a City So, like a Mike and Wenu, sometimes all it takes
23:44is that initial contact and then a guy just has no more momentum and he's kind of stuck.
23:50But then with the counters, I went on to say, okay, do you, does each guy have a certain
23:54kind of counter they like to use or really, are you just taught as many things as possible
23:57so you have more tools?
23:58He's like, yeah, more tools so that whatever happens in the midst of that battle.
24:02And when you kind of mentioned this as well, you have something, they kept mentioning tools
24:06in your toolbox so you can adjust.
24:08So yeah, just from a Patriot perspective, they pretty much just echoed everything that
24:11you said.
24:12So sounds like they're learning the system pretty well.
24:14So first let's break down sets.
24:17What each of the ones mean that you've used or that you're familiar with and what situation
24:21they'd come up in.
24:22Yeah.
24:23So we typically use, I'm familiar with some of the other terms, but as far as us here,
24:27we use the three A, B and C sets, right?
24:29So an A set is a, is a quick, it's a more of a lateral set.
24:34It's more, think of it as a not quite a true, like in my brain, like a jump set is like
24:41a run block essentially.
24:43And then you kind of settle in.
24:44Think of an A set as like a, if you're an offensive tackle, cause typically tackles
24:49are the ones that are going to A set for the most part.
24:51If you're an offensive tackle and you've got a wide nine, right?
24:56You are going to, as opposed to maybe necessarily like, and I'll use, I'll continue to use Matt
25:00Judon just due to familiarity, right?
25:02So power rusher, right?
25:04So I don't want to give that train a bunch of time on the tracks to build momentum to
25:11have to deal with that power, right?
25:12I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to A set this.
25:15And if he's in a little bit of a wider technique, I'm going to A set it and probably throw like
25:18a one, right?
25:19Which we'll get to in a second, but an outside strike, right?
25:22And so that's, you're trying to essentially, the, the, the different types of sets are
25:26dealing with different alignments, but also trying to, different attempts to disrupt a
25:30defensive rusher's timing is the biggest thing, right?
25:33They're looking for, they're looking for different cues with hands, right?
25:36Or different landmarks and trying to use your hands against you to swat away or whatever.
25:42And so the different sets can kind of disrupt their timing.
25:45And again, like everyone's got their plan until the ball gets snapped and, well, I'm
25:48just going to run around the outside.
25:49Well, he beat me the outside.
25:50Well, now what?
25:51Right?
25:52Like, and so there's a lot of those things to where an A set is simply a, I'd say like
25:57a lateral two steps set.
25:59You're trying to, against a wider alignment for the most part, you're going to do that,
26:02right?
26:03And you're going to get out and it's going to be a quick, think of it like a jump set,
26:06but just a bit more lateral as opposed to true forward.
26:11A B set, or let me say back, an A set, you're strong, right?
26:16An A set, you're going to be strong from the disruption standpoint, right?
26:20They have to adjust.
26:22I'm sure they're not assuming they're going to get jump set, right?
26:24So they have to kind of be able to be an athlete and adjust and figure out and transition into
26:28a pass rush from what may to them at first look like a run block, right?
26:34They're weak inside, right?
26:36Because and especially if they're already getting in your head, right, or if they're
26:39running a stunt or some type of deal where he's like, well, I'm, I'm going inside, right?
26:43You moving laterally at them is just creating a bigger bubble inside of you, right?
26:48So what we'll always try to kind of say, right, like if you're going to, if you're going to
26:51have an A, you might want to bring a backside four or a clamp, right?
26:55And so that way you can at least some type of attempt to mitigate their lateral movement
27:00back across your face, right?
27:02Maybe a holding call may, may, may or may not work, right?
27:05But that's the thought process behind the, the four, right, or to get to bring behind
27:11your A setting, your weak inside, how can I protect myself against that?
27:15And it may not win you, and it may get you a holding penalty, but it may prevent the
27:21defensive end from sprinting at your quarterback and knocking them out of the game.
27:24That's what's important part.
27:25Even if you lose and you get the flag, as long as your quarterback's alive, right?
27:29B set is very traditional set, right?
27:31You see this every, every week you see your, your offensive tackles and their two point
27:35stance all the time, right?
27:36A B sets, it's just a true 45%, a 45 degree diagonal set, right?
27:40It's very, you're gaining width and depth off of the line of scrimmage.
27:44And it's a bit of a more conventional path, right?
27:48Like we think, right, we're probably trying to beat him.
27:52He's outside of me.
27:53He's trying to get here.
27:54I'm trying to visualize this.
27:55He's trying to get here.
27:56I can get here, right?
27:58And we can try to cut him off.
27:59I'm giving myself time because I'm kicking for depth off the line of scrimmage, but I'm
28:03also getting a little bit of width.
28:05The important thing here, I think for me, is you're always trying to maintain your half
28:08man relationship, right?
28:09So you're always cognizant of what they would probably say is under setting things, right?
28:14Is that you're always trying to dictate their, their path, right, on a B set for me.
28:19And that's how we teach our guys here too, right?
28:21Like we don't have NFL athletes on offensive lines.
28:23So I always use the basketball analogy, right?
28:26If you ever regard someone in basketball, it's a lot harder to just straight up.
28:29If I play a new one on one and I just guard you head up, right?
28:32You can go out their direction.
28:33But if I take away a side, either they can work harder to get to that side anyways, or
28:39they'll take what you give them, right?
28:41But at least you're dictating which direction they go, right?
28:43So simply set me as a more of a, I think an A set, you're, you're a bit more at the, uh,
28:51you're a bit more, um, having to adjust to them, right?
28:57Cause a B set to me, you're kind of saying like, no, like this is how I'm setting.
28:59I'm going to stay inside of you.
29:01You can run through my face if you want, or you can, I'm going to make you run outside.
29:04Right.
29:05And so in my head, that's a B set.
29:06And that's more of a traditional textbook pass that, um, with a B set, we'll do a lot
29:11of, it'll be a one and a three, right?
29:13So, um, right.
29:14A one, again, as an outside pillar, right.
29:17So that outside, the outside of the man's probably that breastplate on their shoulder
29:21pads, right.
29:22And then we'll throw a three underneath if they want to try to come back inside some
29:26type of power, right.
29:27And under for us, right.
29:28It's an undercut, right.
29:29You're trying to think of that, right.
29:30Like you can, you strike with that outside hand and you bring this here.
29:34So you're deflecting the force out and then up.
29:36Right.
29:37And so three, if you can land it, that's usually a rep killer because you really end up standing
29:42the defensive lineman up or at the very least you're taking a strong inside hand.
29:47It's tougher for them to get inside.
29:48Okay.
29:49So before we get to the C, I'm curious, like for the Patriots offensive line, who do you
29:53think would benefit the most from an A and who do you think would benefit most from a
29:57B or is it purely situational or more skillset wise as well?
30:01A little bit of both.
30:02I hate to hedge on the question, right.
30:03But I think that's the importance and that's the beauty of the system is you do give options
30:06to different players, the different skillsets.
30:10I would say probably out of, I would say Chooks is more of a, an angle guy, B set guy, right.
30:16More of a, probably a better athlete, right.
30:19So you, a bit more options, Caden Wallace.
30:21I don't want to say that a starting tackle is going to be a jump setter, right.
30:24Because that is a bit of a, I think at least like a bit of a limiting, limiting philosophy.
30:32But as far as I think he would be a bit more of a power player, probably a bit more effective
30:36on an A or B or an A set in particular, right.
30:40Because it's just, it sells the run a bit better or excuse me, B for someone like Caden
30:45Wallace, you can be more of a B setter because it gives him more options.
30:48I still think Okorafor is an A, is probably going to be more of a B setter, but can handle
30:52A better because they're a bit more athletic and able to laterally change directions right
30:56on an inside, right.
30:57You may not win the rep, but you can certainly not lose it on an A set there.
31:02Would make the most sense to me, but I think any, any decent lineman or any decent tackle
31:06is going to vary these up through the case, the course of the game, right.
31:09Because all of a sudden you A set, right, do five, five B sets to start a game or against
31:16Nick Bosa.
31:17Now he's starting to get in his head and he's like, no, he's like, I know how they want
31:20to attack me now.
31:21Right.
31:22So I'm going to formulate a plan for this.
31:23And you throw an A set at him and all of a sudden now he has to jump to plan B, one half
31:28a step into his rep, right.
31:30And you can disrupt the timing to where even if, again, you still may eventually, he still
31:34may win the rep, right.
31:35But as far as you're, you're disrupting his timing, you're not allowing him to just simply
31:38tee off and be a better athlete moving forward than a lesser athlete moving backwards.
31:42Right.
31:43So we talk about that a lot and trying to, any decent lineman, right.
31:47Like, I don't know why you would limit yourself to one, no, no matter how good you are at
31:50it, right.
31:51Because you can simply force your opponent to be more cerebral, which is typically going
31:54to slow them down and reactionary as opposed to dictating what you do because of their
32:00good at one thing.
32:01And that is something the players mentioned is that because of the system, it helps them
32:05with defenders start to get a beat on what they're trying to do, helps them keep them
32:08a little bit off balance and be less predictable.
32:10So that was super helpful.
32:11Now, I'm sorry I didn't cut you off, but now let's get to the C.
32:14Yeah.
32:15So a C set is more of what we would call it a vertical set.
32:17I think it's probably what he would call it as well.
32:19Right.
32:20And it's a more of that 60 degree.
32:21It's not purely backwards, but for lack of a better term, right, it's a set of sideways
32:25B sets, diagonal C set is mostly backwards.
32:28Right.
32:29There's a couple of different reasons you use C sets one for an extremely wide technique,
32:32right?
32:33You're trying to gain straight depth.
32:34You're willing to sacrifice some width for the sake of getting back.
32:38And then do the other reason that do we use C sets quite a bit here is, is they're really
32:42effective.
32:43I'm really going to date myself here, but I remember watching Jared Goff at Cal and
32:49you'd see like, why are their offensive linemen all just dropping straight back like four
32:52yards.
32:53And it's because in those air raid schemes, it was really based off of like, they're trying
32:56to allow stunts to declare in front of them.
32:58Right.
32:59So you're not creating different levels.
33:01That's where stunts become effective.
33:03And so if you can guys can move back in unison, right, you're create more time and space for
33:07the defensive linemen to have to decide where they're going and declare so you can react
33:10to it.
33:11Right.
33:13So C set is again, not great against the power rusher per se, right?
33:16Because you're going to give them more time to kind of build that momentum.
33:20But a C set for us, like if you have a really wide technique and it's more of a finesse
33:23guy, you're just going to take, you're going to gain that ground off the line of scrimmage
33:27and you're going to remain patient and allow them, then you can react and allow them to
33:31kind of do all their dancing and finesse move type stuff as, and then react to whatever
33:35it is, as opposed to being a bit more to me, like on our heels as a trying to go against
33:42power while going backwards.
33:43So that's C sets for us again, a couple of different uses, right?
33:46You can use them to kind of let things clear out, right?
33:48If you're playing a team, it's a big movement or stunting team, right?
33:51You can use more vertical sets to just create space as opposed to getting picked on the
33:55line of scrimmage and having that happen really quickly.
33:58But for us again, like to, or if you're going against a speed rusher, right, you're going
34:01to want to create more space.
34:03And that's where I think probably someone like Okorafor, right, is probably a bit better
34:07spot to be a C setter, right?
34:09Because also he can, he's more athletic, he can move a bit better.
34:13As long as it's, again, I wouldn't recommend it against someone like Judon or a bigger,
34:16stronger rusher, right?
34:17But if you're going against Jermaine Johnson, or if you're going against, right, like the
34:21Huff kid from the Jets the last couple of years, right, those speed rusher guys, right?
34:24Like you're going to want to create space so you can react as opposed to having to have
34:28it out on the line of scrimmage and you either win or lose the second the snap happens.
34:32And one thing with Caden Wallace, like Shoots is probably the ideal guy, but even though
34:36Wallace isn't as athletic, one thing in his college tape I saw is he's very patient with
34:40his punches.
34:41Like guys would try to, you know, get him to open up and he did say he wanted to get
34:45better at not opening up the speed, but for the most part, I thought he was really good
34:49about not overreacting and wait until the other person declared before he made his move.
34:53So that's super interesting.
34:54Are there any other in these sets that you're just familiar with, even though I know you
34:57only run the first three?
34:58I believe the up kick is simply like a kick back into the line of scrimmage, more so off
35:02of like and like in slide stuff, or like if you think you want to help inside before
35:07you set, I believe, don't quote me on that, but that's like a forward jump in my brain,
35:13which is simply be a pure run block.
35:14A run jump again is kind of what I said, like if you're a right guard and you have a three
35:17technique you're going to take your run steps and then settle in.
35:21Those are the ones that are a bit more familiar with, but again, we don't, we don't use those.
35:24I don't want to, I don't want to speak incorrectly on, on his system.
35:29For sure.
35:30I'm sure this is already a lot of information for everybody watching.
35:32So I think it's okay.
35:33We keep it a little bit brief.
35:34All right.
35:35Now let's get into strikes because I know this is where it gets really interesting because
35:38you can combine these, like they'll call it like an eight 14.
35:42So you got the angle, a, the pillar and the clamp together.
35:45So, and this is why the independent hand usage, which came Wallace also said he really is
35:49trying to improve since college really comes into play.
35:52You see like city.
35:53So even Cole strange, even though he hasn't been out there, those are two areas where
35:56I thought they could really improve from last season and beyond where you see a lot
36:00of the time they try to really be the aggressors.
36:02But Scott Peter says, when you throw two hands, one, you're not always going to land it.
36:07Most times you're not going to land it.
36:08And you also put yourself in a bad spot because you've got both your hands out, usually leaning
36:12to some degree and better in defensive linemen are just going to get those hands down and
36:16get you off balance.
36:17So break these strikes down for us, brother.
36:19Yeah.
36:20So I think the other thing too, is that helps as well as like, again, you kind of mentioned
36:23at the beginning, well, how do you normally taught, right.
36:26If you're not being taught in this system or at least how I was taught, which right
36:29or wrong, right.
36:30Like you're just taught, like, well, yeah.
36:31Like, did you land your hands?
36:32Well, yeah.
36:33And you have a general idea of where you're trying to strike, but like this gives you
36:36like legitimately like predetermined areas, right.
36:38So a pillar punch is just simply, if you're in your set, it's a, it's a outward, right.
36:43It's a punch, right.
36:45You're always trying to keep your thumb up or out.
36:47That's a big tip of spear, right.
36:48Like just maintains your skeletal integrity, right.
36:51And also just gives you a bit more length, right.
36:53So a one is to the outside peck of a rusher.
36:57So say I'm the right guard and he's rushing here, I'm going to strike to his outside peck.
37:02Okay.
37:03A two is an inside peck, the same breastplate, but inside.
37:08Okay.
37:09A three is an under, which again, like you're either going to use when they're squared up
37:13with you or trying to get inside, right.
37:15As a, it's an undercut, I try to lift them up.
37:18Stop inside momentum is typically our most common use for it.
37:22And then a four is a clamp, right.
37:23Which is an outside, is a lateral movement control mechanism for us.
37:28I mentioned this pre-show, but there's a very well-known video on YouTube by Brett Coleman
37:35about David Bakhtiari about how they, how the Packers get away with holding legal holding.
37:39And that's the clamp for the most part, right.
37:41They're getting, they're here, right.
37:43So your, your hands are tight, right.
37:44So you don't have this impression of these big wide hands that the NFL referees are going
37:48to see like, well, clearly his hands are outside, right.
37:50His arms are, they look like they're bench pressing, right.
37:52So they're inside and they're tight here, right.
37:55And they're, they're really just kind of on this outside.
37:57So really it's, it's not that far of a reach, right.
37:59To go from your breastplate to here, right.
38:02Your hands, again, they're not spread way across, they're not turning your body, right.
38:05But it's just simply here, right.
38:07And then that way you're going to be, again, be able to a bit control how they move laterally,
38:14right.
38:15So I mentioned, right.
38:16With an A set, you're moving outside laterally, right.
38:18So you're going to naturally be, be weak inside, right.
38:22Your momentum is moving one way.
38:24It's tough to move two directions at once, right.
38:25So you're going out, you might bring a four or a clamp, right.
38:29To kind of help.
38:30Again, they might beat you inside, but it might, you know, one, give you time to adjust
38:34and try to scoot your feet back inside.
38:36But then two, right.
38:37At the very least, you're not just straight without resistance, letting them pass, okay.
38:42A lot of, at our level in particular, a lot of kids are, will be double four pass protectors
38:48without any teaching because they simply weren't taught in high school or if they're triple
38:52option guys or whatever, right.
38:53And so what that means is, well, I want to be out here, right.
38:56You give up your chest when you do that, right.
38:59That's something that they're not, they're not consciously doing.
39:01It's just like the human thing, like we'll get here, right.
39:03And so you're giving up your chest to do that.
39:05There are some guys we've seen Bakhtiari do it at O-Line Masterminds a couple weeks ago,
39:09Lane Johnson would talk about inviting a bull rush and that he would carry his hands
39:13at his sides, like to just straight give his chest to allow pass rushers in.
39:19David Deal from the Giants very quickly came up and he's like, I would not suggest that
39:22anyone does that.
39:23Right.
39:24And Johnson can do that.
39:25He's one of three people on the planet that can do that.
39:27Please do not do that.
39:28It's like when he's trying to run routes like OBJ and it's just like, no, no, no, no, no.
39:33Right.
39:34So, but that's what the clamp is, is just more of a lateral control mechanism that outside
39:38say you don't, it's not textbook, perfect inside hands, right.
39:41But it's not that big of a deviance.
39:43Right.
39:44So you can, if you can, might not get called or at the very least.
39:47Right.
39:48Like it's just a different way.
39:49If you're really playing a really twitchy kind of fidgety player on defense, that might
39:52be something you want to try to do it again.
39:55It's tough to be a double four, right.
39:56One, because you give up your chest and then two, right.
39:59Like you're basically giving up any ability to handle any power because you're only focused
40:04on double lateral.
40:05Right.
40:06So really we try to pair a clamp with something right again, it might be, and it might be
40:09an under, right.
40:10It might be an outside clamp and an under, right.
40:12And that might be a way to try to mitigate or slowly bring along a kid who let's work
40:17one hand at a time.
40:18Right.
40:19Cause he's past pros all over the place, but he's really talented.
40:21We need him to play right.
40:23You can fix one thing at a time instead of having to fix a whole whole menagerie at once.
40:27So that's the clamp.
40:28That's how we teach it.
40:29We do not teach a five as a snatch, but what a snatch is, and we will get this against
40:34bull rushers.
40:35A lot of times there'll be some type of move where you're going to try to smack the hands
40:39down, right?
40:40So defensive linemen are taught to play with their hands in front and they're trying to
40:42get out here and get extension.
40:44Right.
40:45So as an offensive player, right, you're, you're moving backwards or certainly if you're
40:50trying to handle all this power, all of their weight is forward and above, right?
40:54So if you can knock that hand off, they don't have anything to brace against and they're
40:58typically going to fall or it's going to severely, they're going to have to slow way down to
41:02gather themselves to handle it.
41:03Right.
41:04So whether it's a snap, again, we don't teach a snatch as a punch as per se, more of a whole
41:09rep philosophy of like, you're going to commit to a trap or a snatch, however you want to
41:14call it, right?
41:15Like a double hands knockdown against a bull rusher or somebody trying to do this, trying
41:18to get into your face.
41:20But that's, that's what that is.
41:22And so that's when, if you see, right, he may teach a defensive lineman who's really
41:26trying to get like heavy inside guy, right?
41:28You might throw a punch and a snatch, right?
41:31And that might throw off, they might try to land in here and it lands and then they lose
41:35that and they probably end up with a pancake at the NFL level, right?
41:38But that's, that's what they're looking at there.
41:40So a snatch is a downward movement to knock off a hand, one, just to simply knock it off.
41:46So they have to try to refit it and you can get it hands inside or B to use their momentum
41:50against them and make them fall on their face.
41:52So a lot of that from Caden Wallace against Michigan.
41:54Oh, a whole lot of that.
41:55So for the order of it, how do you know which number is first and which number is second?
41:59What dictates that?
42:01The first number will typically be your outside hand, right?
42:03Because we're trying to teach inside out, right?
42:06So you're going to try to control outside first, right?
42:08That's where you're long, you're playing at your longest, right?
42:10And that's where you're able to control that.
42:13Typically the second number is inside, depending like if you were to call like a double three,
42:17right?
42:18Like for whatever reason, if you felt comfortable, if you thought it was, this is going to be
42:21a bull rush, right?
42:22Then I guess it doesn't really matter.
42:23But typically the first number is going to be the outside hand first, right?
42:27And then the second one will be more of a counter, how we teach it, like a secondary
42:31thought process.
42:32If your first one doesn't work or to pair with the first one, as opposed to having a
42:37strike and then having a full dedicated counters section like they have on here, but that's
42:42kind of how we teach it.
42:43But that's, you want to, typically you want to pair numbers together just again, just
42:48as a contingency plan, right?
42:49Like you never want to be caught with, well, my first plan didn't work now what, right?
42:53Like one, they're going to be complimentary to each other.
42:55But then two, one, again, like to come back to the example, right?
43:00An A one four, that might save you, right?
43:02Like even if, whether your first hand lands or not, right?
43:05If you're in a position to have to use that four on an A set, you're probably in trouble.
43:08So hopefully it can save you at least and kind of bail you out of a rep or bring it
43:13back into it as opposed to just simply missing altogether.
43:16And that's what you heard him mention, like the two hand strike guys.
43:19We typically try not to do that because if you're two hand striking, you're, you're full
43:22committed to that.
43:23And if you miss quarterback, it's a lookout block really.
43:28Right.
43:29And is the pillar usually the first step in a lot of these?
43:31Cause I know, like you mentioned, you could do a double three, but just like listening
43:35to some of his clinics and things, it sounds like usually it's the pillar and then everything
43:39else kind of builds off that.
43:40Yeah.
43:41For the most early.
43:42And yeah, from my experience with it one, cause again, unless you're jump, unless you're,
43:46you're jump setting or really trying to like have it out on the line of scrimmage, right?
43:50Cause you're trying to, you're dealing with lesser athletes moving backwards against superior
43:54athletes moving forwards.
43:55Right.
43:56And so the more extension you can gain the better, right?
43:58So a pillar punch allows you to use your length and extension, right?
44:02Get out there.
44:03It gives you a precise target to shoot for.
44:04Right.
44:05So again, it's not just, well, did you land your hands?
44:06Well, no.
44:07Okay.
44:08Well you threw a one, right?
44:09Yeah.
44:10Well then why didn't you know, like, did he swipe your hand?
44:12Did you miss?
44:13Did you just not, you hit it and it slid off.
44:14Right.
44:15So it gives you some of that stuff.
44:17extension because ultimately like it's a reactionary position, right?
44:21Like I'm kind of like the, they're like creator, creator positions and preventer position positions,
44:27right?
44:28Like especially the old line, you're trying to prevent something from happening.
44:30Right.
44:31And so you're trying to give yourself time, give yourself space to react or adjust to
44:35what they're trying to do.
44:37And so typically for the most part, it's certainly on a B or C set that pillar strike that one
44:42is always, always going to be the starter.
44:45And like, so like for the sake of this, a one, two, like a 12 set would be like 12 strike,
44:50which is simply two hands, that would be his way of getting to a two hand strike.
44:55But yeah, typically the pillar is going to be what you base everything off of.
44:59Unless again, unless you're dedicating a full rep to trying something or to, I know this
45:03is what's going to happen.
45:04And right.
45:05So for instance, right.
45:06Like I mentioned the two different size guys, right?
45:09Like that 310 pound dude, like he may allow you to bull rush him, right?
45:13But the smaller guy, that's not going to, that's not beneficial to him, right?
45:16So you might start with a double three, or you might start with something different to
45:19try to snatch to do something different.
45:21And so it's all very, depending on what the kids are players comfortable with, and depending
45:28on their skill set, certain things lent more one way than the other, but at least it certainly
45:33gives you options.
45:34And I think that's the biggest thing, right?
45:35As any, I think as an offensive lineman, that's the biggest thing is if your coach can give
45:39you different ways, right?
45:41Because I've heard enough of different NFL guys to talk about this, right?
45:44Like especially once you're a veteran in the NFL, you've had two or three different position
45:48coaches.
45:49Since some of them are really sticklers on like, no, you're going to do it how I teach
45:52you because I'm in charge here.
45:54And that may work for some people, right?
45:56If you're good enough at it or whatever the case may be.
45:58But a lot of guys will say, you know, I just want, you know, the coach will tell you like,
46:02I'm going to teach it this way, but if you have a better way to do it, or if you have
46:05a different way that works for you, I would be an idiot to keep you from succeeding.
46:09Right.
46:10Think of me having to be the guy to tell you how to do it right.
46:12And so I think the biggest thing is you're creating, again, the disadvantaged position,
46:17right?
46:18The best thing you can do is give yourself time, space and options, right?
46:22Because it gives you, it gives you more ways to compete in my brain, right?
46:28Like if I were to, if I were to roll the ball out there against LeBron James, right?
46:31Just go play basketball.
46:32I'm never going to win.
46:33Right.
46:34But at least you can give yourself like, okay, like, well, I'm going to play way off of him
46:38and he's not allowed to shoot three pointers.
46:39And right.
46:40Like if you can give yourself different conditions to help yourself compete, right.
46:43And you're at a disadvantageous position.
46:45And I think this system and Scott Peters teaching as a whole can get more out of less, right?
46:51Clearly like, would you prefer to have a, you know, Trent Williams and Lane Johnson
46:54a tackle as a coach?
46:56Sure.
46:57But, but in my brain, Scott Peters might be the guy to get the most out of a core of four
47:01and Caden Wallace, especially as the younger players, right.
47:03Cause you can give them more options.
47:06Yeah.
47:07I think he talked about the other day too, right?
47:08Like the best way to learn how to not get beat is by getting beat.
47:11Exactly.
47:12That's what gives you the different options of like, you know, I think he's, I think he's
47:15going to be a speed rusher so I can get, I had one of these two or three things throughout
47:20the game to keep throwing change ups and kind of handle it as opposed to, you know, just
47:24being a slower, heavier footed tackle being like, I don't know, man, like he's just speed
47:28rushing me the whole game.
47:29I can't stop it.
47:30Right.
47:31At least this gives you different ways to, to try to compete.
47:33That's so cool.
47:34Yeah.
47:35I think from a Patriots perspective, if you're going up against like Christian Barmore, a
47:37guy who's got all the physical tools, but on top of that, can Shane moves together subconsciously.
47:42Like you just see how quickly, like, all right, you shoot this.
47:45He's going to come up with this.
47:46If you try to counter, which we're going to get into, he's got something for that.
47:49So again, having all these tools, if a guy hits you with two or three moves in one rep,
47:54but you don't have all these different ways of countering and switching it up, it's going
47:58to be easy for Baltimore to beat you.
47:59Like Osiris Torrance, the poor guy was just in both of the games against the bills.
48:03He was pretty much at no man's land against the guy like far more.
48:06But with this system, you at least have things that you can throw at him to try to help yourself
48:10survive the rep.
48:11So finally, let's get into these counters because I feel like, especially with what
48:15the players mentioned, this is really where things get interesting because you can have
48:20your plan for your set.
48:21You can have your plan with your strikes, but you have no idea of most of the time what
48:24the other person's going to come up with.
48:26So let us know what these counters mean as far as, you know, obviously there's a ton
48:29of them there and how they help offensive linemen from rep to rep.
48:33Yeah.
48:34I mean, I mentioned certainly I'm not as familiar with all of these, right, but it's certainly
48:39like, right.
48:40Like an under, right.
48:41The first counter there, it's the same as a three strike, right?
48:44So you're thinking a counter is an under is for the most part going to be used to stop,
48:49right.
48:50A power rush, either head up or inside of you, right.
48:52You're going to try to, to, we would talk about, right.
48:54To try to jack up his spine angle, right.
48:56Make his spine go from here up, right.
48:58You're much less powerful here than you are here.
49:02A trap is a snatch, right.
49:06Similar thing, at least in my brain, offensive line play, right.
49:08You're trapped as you're trying to, to knock them down, right.
49:11Use their forward momentum against them to fall on their face that they're going to sell
49:14out for full, for full power, right.
49:16And they don't have their feet underneath them, right.
49:18It's kind of the same way as pulling a rug out from somebody.
49:21And then a vice for us, for, for me, my brain is a clamp, right.
49:26You're trying to vice them in.
49:28So as far as that may be, it can be on an inside move.
49:31It can be, again, like I said, like trying to navigate that lateral thing, right.
49:36All of a sudden you just vice them in, but that's, I can't speak as intelligently or
49:42as articulately about the counters.
49:44It's not something that we use.
49:45I'm not overly familiar with it.
49:46Again, some of them are fairly offensive line community similar, but I don't, I certainly
49:54don't want to misinform or misinterpret something and then expound on it too much.
50:00So but that's, to my knowledge, again, the under and the trap or snap type of stuff,
50:06that's fairly like universal as far as, again, like a snatch, you're trying to use someone
50:11selling out for power.
50:14And then the under, again, is more of a way to mitigate an inside power move or a bull
50:19rush in general.
50:20I would also say to a hop counter, I would assume is how we teach it is when, right,
50:26like the defensive lineman's bull rushing you and they got their hands in, you will
50:29hop backwards, which is, it seems completely foreign, but you'll give up ground for the
50:34sake of re-establishing that power triangle in your legs.
50:37We always talk about your feet should be outside of your knees, outside of your hips, right?
50:44Because a triangle is the strongest shape, right?
50:48That hop allows you to buy time.
50:50And then finally, to put all that, you drop your center of gravity, have your feet in
50:53the ground, and then change that center of gravity and push them up, theoretically or
50:59hopefully.
51:00So that would be my last one.
51:01I would be able to, I would assume a hop is a hop counter off of a bull rush.
51:05And speaking of that hop, like when I was scouting for Syracuse, one thing when they're
51:08looking for tackles, or a lot of it in general, but especially tackles, you like a guy who
51:12has a flexible back.
51:14Like you want it to be able to arch, because if you've got a guy who's got a flat back,
51:17and like you mentioned, you try to hop, it's a lot harder when you're not flexible, because
51:20basically you're just going to get stood up, and then there's not a whole lot you can do.
51:24But if it's a flexible guy who can have that arch in his back, and like you mentioned,
51:28continue to still be back and be balanced, then you can at least survive and hold on
51:32long enough to give your quarterback time versus, yep, I'm up, there's no way I'm getting
51:36out of this.
51:37Now, I got to get you out of here, because we already went way over time.
51:39I appreciate you being this long, but say that you were back in your playing days, right?
51:44And you're facing off against Matthew Judon, a guy who you know wants to beat you inside,
51:49but has enough explosiveness and hand technique that he can also beat your hands and beat
51:52you around the corner.
51:54What set, strike, encounter are you using to try to beat him?
51:57Just one drop back, third and 10, let's say.
52:00Well, I'm certainly less athletic than him, so I'm going to cut off the inside.
52:04He wants to win inside, too bad.
52:05If he wants to run through my face, he'll run us both over, he won't get the sack.
52:08Okay.
52:09So I'm going to try to take away the inside, so I would probably B-set him.
52:13Probably B-13 would be probably my go-to, because at least you have something to handle
52:19on the outside, something out here, and if he wants to beat me outside, more power to
52:23him.
52:24I'm just not going to lose the easy way out here, and then a three.
52:28If he thinks that he's created enough urgency to force me to come out, he's going to go
52:33back inside.
52:34At least you have that three, some type of contingency on the inside to at least try
52:39to stop.
52:40But yeah, I just want to say one rep or a thousand, it's not going to matter, but B-13
52:47would probably be my go-to, yeah.
52:48Hey, just got to hold on long enough.
52:50It was awesome.
52:51It's going to cut.
52:52It's probably as easy as it takes.
52:53Oh, and it's been a blast, buddy.
52:57Thank you so much for your time.
52:58Now before I let you go, please let the people know where they can find you and what great
53:02stuff you've got coming down the pipeline.
53:04If there's anything that you're going to be dropping on Twitter or anywhere that we should
53:07be looking out for, although I know you're probably busy because there's a lot of coaching
53:10Yeah.
53:11Yeah.
53:12So you can follow me at Reese Drafts, R-I-E-S-E Draft on Twitter.
53:15As far as like in-season content, very little.
53:17I get a lot of retweets about the UW Platteville Pioneers winning games on Saturdays.
53:22I'll tell you about it, but throughout the season, we continue to scout for the Shrine
53:27Bowl and so I'll be a lot of that to be completely honest.
53:30And then once the season is done, one, I get to watch football on Sundays again, which
53:34is exciting.
53:35And then two, kind of build up to the draft, which as far as the media space goes, most
53:42of my stuff will be draft related if I do anything, but typically it's more so at the
53:47Shrine Bowl.
53:48And as you and I both know, continuing this pursuit, endless or not, to try to be a scout
53:56in the NFL.
53:57So that's the plan as far as I'm around.
53:58It's going to be a lot of pro wrestling stuff.
54:00It's going to be a lot of bad jokes.
54:03I love them.
54:04But yeah, so that's where you can find me.
54:05Again, a lot of recruiting stuff, probably a lot of UWP propaganda.
54:11But nonetheless, we're around and it's almost football season, man.
54:14We're almost there.
54:15Yes, sir.
54:16Appreciate you so much, buddy.
54:17Good luck this season.
54:18I can't wait to have you back on for some draft content this offseason.
54:22Thank you once again, my man.
54:23And thank you all as always for watching.
54:26Take care of yourselves.
54:27Take care of each other.
54:28We will see you next time.
54:29Peace, y'all.
54:34We'll see you next time.
54:35Peace.
54:36We'll see you next time.
54:37Peace.
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54:39Peace.
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54:41Peace.
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