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00:00:25Good morning. It is 10.09 Wednesday, October 20th. This is the TDN Writer's Room presented
00:00:31by Keeneland. My name is Joe Bianca. I'm the associate editor of the Thoroughbred Daily
00:00:34News. I just want to wish a happy birthday to my dad, Russ, who watches the show. Happy
00:00:38birthday, man. Love ya.
00:00:41Happy birthday to Joe's dad, Russ. This is Bill Finley, a correspondent for the Thoroughbred
00:00:45Daily News. Yes, I was at Fenway Park last night. Yes, it was not a good night. Still
00:00:50so true. We're going to go to Houston. We're going to get it done. Let's go, Sox.
00:00:54That's all that needs to be said, Bill, about the Red Sox for today. Let's get it done,
00:00:59right? Jonathan Green, general manager at DJ Stable. And for those of you who don't
00:01:04know, we're still fostering kittens, and we try to do them in names and themes. This crop,
00:01:11there's five of them. So Joe, we decided to name them after the top five New York Jets
00:01:16in Jets history. So one, of course, is named Nameth. And the other four are named First
00:01:24Round Draft Pick 2022, First Round Draft Pick 2023, because there just aren't, you know,
00:01:30five really top Jets to name these kittens, and we want them to be adopted.
00:01:34I will not stand for this Wayne Cribbett erasure. I dare you. We'll have it.
00:01:41We can name them Cribbett. And I mean, is there is there actually a, you know, like a ring of
00:01:49They won a Super Bowl, John. There was a year I was born. That was over 50 years ago.
00:01:55So most important Super Bowl in the history of football, however, because it led to the merger.
00:02:01Yeah. No, not in my lifetime. There haven't been that many. I can't,
00:02:05you know, I love Vinny. Let's name a cat Vinny.
00:02:08We can name a cat Vinny just because it'd be fun to have a cat named Vinny.
00:02:12In Jersey. Yo, meow. Yo, meow. Right.
00:02:16Vinny, come here. You want your breakfast? You want your breakfast? Yeah.
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00:02:45We talked to a touchdown about a month ago when the Breeders' Cup was deliberating.
00:02:49Well, it feels like that was the last time we're in the studio. I think that might be it. By the
00:02:53way, we're glad to have John back full time. Still waiting for a week or so for him to
00:02:57decontaminate and then we'll be back in the studio, most likely. But the Breeders' Cup
00:03:03was deliberating on whether or not to allow Bob Baffert's horses to run the Breeders' Cup.
00:03:06We obviously thought that they were going to allow him to because it was just too short notice
00:03:12and there wasn't, I don't know, there wasn't really any specific statute or any kind of
00:03:18written rule to keep him out of it. So basically, the decision that they came to was they're going
00:03:25to let Bob Baffert's horses run, but they're going to subject them to extra scrutiny, extra drug
00:03:31testing. It's a long, long statement, but it says just based on the totality of the circumstances,
00:03:38Breeders' Cup has decided to require all horses trained by Mr. Baffert to undergo enhanced out
00:03:42of competition, pre and post race testing and other security protocols at his own expense
00:03:47in order to participate in the 2021 Breeders' Cup World Championships at Del Mar. You know,
00:03:52I think this is the right call. You know, I think this is probably the best that they could have
00:03:57done on such short notice, you know, to pacify the public who wants Bob Baffert to be, you know,
00:04:03scrutinized and kind of pay some kind of price for what's happened in the past year with his five
00:04:08very high profile drug positives. But, you know, my feeling, my only real takeaway from this is
00:04:14that this is why we need HISA, I think. This is yet another reason why we need this, you know,
00:04:20we decided to come in and, you know, take control of our drug policy because this is like, they're
00:04:25just like kind of making this up out of thin air, this policy, the Breeders' Cup is creating this
00:04:30entirely new policy for this one guy. And there's just, I don't know, it seems like they're grasping
00:04:37here at just like, oh, well, here's how we, you know, here's how we make both sides happy. Here's
00:04:42how we make the Baffert supporters and Bob Baffert's owners happy. By the way, you know,
00:04:46there are some Baffert owners on the board of directors. So there's, you know, an inherent
00:04:50conflict of interest here, which is yet another reason why these organizations should not be
00:04:54making these policies for these major, major events. But beside that, I just think that,
00:05:00you know, it shouldn't be up to the Breeders' Cup board of directors or individual tracks or
00:05:04individual jurisdictions to try to come up with, you know, a meaningful drug policy.
00:05:10It should, there should be a uniform standard across the board, because it kind of looks,
00:05:14you know, it looks like a joke. It looks like, again, Mickey Mouse stuff to have the Breeders'
00:05:19Cup coming out six weeks before, or not even like three or four weeks before the event
00:05:24with this, you know, brand new drug policy just for Bob Baffert with no written rule on the books
00:05:30to base it off of. So that to me is my issue. I don't disagree necessarily with the policy.
00:05:36I just think that this is yet another example of why we need someone to take this out of our hands
00:05:41as a sport. Yeah, Joe, I agree with everything that you said there. But the bottom line is they
00:05:48got this right. There's no way they could have kept him from running in the Breeders' Cup,
00:05:53especially at this late date. Maybe if they had done something way back in May, we'd be talking
00:05:57about a different story. And then, you know, so that they're going to let him run and they're
00:06:01going to put him under the microscope the whole time. And if you remember, this is essentially
00:06:05the exact same thing that the Stronach group did for the Preakness after the Medina Spirit
00:06:10positive came out for the Kentucky Derby. A couple other things, too, and I don't know,
00:06:15I'd have to go back and do a deep dive. But I think most of the things that they're doing for
00:06:20Baffin without a competition testing and security, I'm not sure that's anything all that new. I think
00:06:26they do that for most horses. The Breeders' Cup has always been very diligent about real
00:06:33tight security for the horses. I know out of competition testing happens all the time.
00:06:38And then the other point you brought up, and I agree that Heise would fix this. But
00:06:44even though I agree with the decision, the conflicts of interest here were just terrible.
00:06:49And I don't know what you do about that. Prominent owners of the Breeders' Cup on the
00:06:53Breeders' Cup board are going to have horses trained by somebody like Bob Baffert. But
00:06:57that's something that everybody should look at down the road. Is there a better way of doing this?
00:07:02Perhaps. But for now, they got it right. You guys basically took my two major points,
00:07:08which was number one, it's an inherent conflict of interest. It's not even like close.
00:07:13Over 50% of the decision makers in this ruling have direct business associations with Bob Baffert.
00:07:20If that's not a conflict of interest, then I don't know what is. That being said, should they
00:07:26have immediately removed themselves from the situation and say,
00:07:30hey, I have to abstain. I can't vote on this because of my inherent business relationship
00:07:36with Bob Baffert. Yes, that should have been done. But honestly, that would have left like
00:07:41a handful of people to make this decision as far as whether or not it should be done.
00:07:46And even if they recuse themselves from the decision making, you know that there's still
00:07:51pressure on the other people who are on the board. It's basically like saying, hey, I'm not going to
00:07:56vote on this name contest that we have coming up. But by the way, it would really be cool if we
00:08:02named the horse XYZ. Now, Bill wouldn't give a crap. But Joe, I think, would listen and be like,
00:08:08hey, maybe I should think about it. Maybe I should move this name up from third to second,
00:08:13because we all work together and there's camaraderie and there's just this inherent
00:08:17trying to get things done. So the fact that there's such a blatant conflict of interest
00:08:22blew my mind as far as this decision making. Bill, you're 100% right that from a legal standpoint,
00:08:28they really couldn't do anything else other than what they put out there. Because if they made the
00:08:33scrutiny too deliberate, then Baffert's attorneys would come back and say, this is unfair and
00:08:39unjust, and it would get kicked down the road. And basically, his horses would run in the Breeders'
00:08:43Cup anyway. And if they made it too loose, then it would be like, well, wait a second, how come
00:08:48all the other people who didn't break the rules in other jurisdictions have to abide by the Breeders'
00:08:54Cup rules? I can tell you as an owner who has run horses in the Breeders' Cup and has a horse in one
00:08:59of the races for the upcoming Breeders' Cup in a couple of weeks, there is no difference,
00:09:06not one iota of difference of what my horses have to test and go through and what the Baffert barn
00:09:12has to go through. The only thing that is separate isn't the rulemaking or isn't the
00:09:19testing pre or post or anything like that. It's that Baffert or Baffert's owners technically have
00:09:26to foot the bill for the scrutiny and the security, whereas, you know, my horses are,
00:09:32you know, all the testing and all the security is all taken care of by the Breeders' Cup
00:09:36organization. Baffert's owners have to do it. Otherwise, there is not one difference. Joe,
00:09:42I think you used the right word. It's a joke. There's not one bit of difference in the rulemaking
00:09:47and the scrutiny between what my horses have to go through and what Baffert's horses have to go
00:09:51through. And the other thing I would add is that, you know, this, I think, should be the standard
00:09:57for every race, for every track, for every trainer. It should be out of competition testing.
00:10:01There should be, you know, not to the trainer's expense, but this is, you know, I just hate the
00:10:08idea that, oh, well, we're going above and beyond and we're doing out of competition testing for
00:10:13Baffert's horses for the Breeders' Cup. Like why? Why is that not the standard across the country?
00:10:18And it is because we don't have a uniform drug policy. We don't have HISA or something similar
00:10:25to make everything uniform and to have, you know, the drug enforcement taken out of our hands.
00:10:31We just are making it up as we go along. And it just, it looks so bad. Like I said,
00:10:37in the individual decision from the Breeders' Cup, you know, I can't really complain about it.
00:10:41You know, it is what it is. I think they did what they could on such short notice. But, you know,
00:10:46just the process stinks to high heaven for this and for so many, you know, decisions and so many
00:10:54deliberations across the country when it comes to, you know, punishing or penalizing trainers
00:11:00who have had drug positives. It just stinks because there's so many conflicts of interest
00:11:04and there's just, there's no uniform rule in the books for this kind of stuff.
00:11:08So, you know, I'm just, you know, like we were saying last week, we've had enough of the Baffert
00:11:12stuff. We go like, you know, this whole year has been a year of Bob Baffert and legal actions. And,
00:11:18you know, it's really tiresome. But, you know, this, I think this was the best of a bunch of
00:11:23crappy options for the Breeders' Cup to still let his horses run and not open them up to legal
00:11:28challenges, but yet make it look like they were doing something special to keep, you know, Bob
00:11:34Baffert's horses clean. It's just, you know, this is the best they could do, I guess. And that's
00:11:38unfortunate. And Joe, the one other thing that I failed to mention is I don't think the Breeders'
00:11:42Cup wants to be in this. I don't think they want to be in this kind of morass and decision making,
00:11:46even down to like in their press release, the last sentence of the press release was
00:11:51Breeders' Cup looks forward to the uniform rules and enforcement mechanisms that the
00:11:55Horse Racing Integrity and Safety Authority Anti-Doping and Medication Control Program
00:12:00will bring to our sport. Basically, like we don't want to deal with this nonsense. We just want to
00:12:04have the show and have the races and enjoy it and have the party. We don't want to be in the
00:12:09rules and regulations and medication, you know, you know, decision making when it comes to all
00:12:15this. Please, somebody else come in and take this off our plate. So I think even they recognize that
00:12:19they were like out of their depths. Yeah, I mean, nor should they be. That's that's the whole point
00:12:24is that this should not fall to the Breeders' Cup in the first place. But once it does, it's there's
00:12:30there's certainly some bad looks involved here. TDN Writer's Room is brought to you by Keelan.
00:12:35Racing continues this week at Keelan with the grade three Sycamore stakes on Friday and the
00:12:39grade two Lexus Raven run for three-year-old fillies on Saturday. Also the grade three
00:12:43Rude and Riddle Dowager stakes on Sunday for marathoners. Keelan November sale just a few
00:12:49weeks away as well, starting with book one on November 10th and continuing through November 19th.
00:12:54New for 2021, Keelan will offer a single session dedicated to racehorses on the final day of the
00:12:59sale. You see John with the catalog right there. That's not just a prop. He's actually looking
00:13:03through it. And that's just a couple of updates on John's skimming face.
00:13:11Just a couple of updates on some horses pointing to the November sale. Pink Peppermint,
00:13:16who's a half-sister to this weekend's grade two Sands Point winner Fluffy Socks, will sell his
00:13:21hip 2644 with Mill Ridge Farm. And Oleksandra's full brother Prince Alexander just became her
00:13:27second stakes play sibling. Grade one winner Oleksandra, remember her beating the boys in
00:13:31the diaper. She sells in full to Into Mischief, his hip 187 with Blue Water Sales. Definitely
00:13:36looking forward to her going through the ring as well as a ton of top class race mares as well. So
00:13:41looking forward to that and the rest of the Keelan meet as well. We'll be right back
00:13:44after this message from Keelan.
00:14:01This gleaming chestnut wins by six on debut with the promise of bigger things to come.
00:14:22Justify, he's on the dizzying ascent to greatness. What do you do when the experts compare you to
00:14:28legends? Justify has won the Kentucky Derby. He's unstoppable. He won the Texas. Justify is the 13
00:14:38triple crown winner. You justify it.
00:14:47The TDN Writers Room was brought to you by Coolmore. We're going to talk to Adrian Wallace,
00:14:51who does nomination sales a little bit later about a bunch of this, but Coolmore released
00:14:55their stud fees on Tuesday with Uncle Mo at the top of the roster at $160,000, which is down
00:15:00slightly from $175,000, obviously still in high demand. Triple crown winners Justify will stand
00:15:06for $100,000 and American Feral for $80,000. And with Jack Christopher expected as a favorite for
00:15:11the British Cup Juvenile, Munning saw a big jump from $40,000 to $85,000. So over twice of his 2020
00:15:18stud fee, obviously Munning still in very high demand. Coolmore Tigers were represented by
00:15:23several stakes winners over the weekend with Panfield, a champion in Hong Kong by looking at
00:15:27Lucky, one of John's favorite sires, adding another Group 2 win to his resume, plus Juvenile Cook Cree
00:15:33winning the Rocky Run stakes at Delaware Park for Uncle Mo. An important recent Maiden winner is
00:15:37overseas for a few of Ashford's first crop sires. A more ventured Omnia became the 21st winner for
00:15:43first crop sire at Caravaggio at Hayduck last Friday, and he currently leads his class by
00:15:47winners. Another top first crop sire, Practical Jove, saw his first winner in Japan with Dugat's
00:15:53four-length winning debut. Just to kind of piggyback off the last segment, yet another
00:15:58reason why we need a uniformly unifying body in racing to police these things. This was a big
00:16:05story earlier this week. The Delaware Park stewards have suspended and find an owner,
00:16:11trainer, and assistant trainer for improper or inhumane treatment. A horse diagnosed last spring
00:16:17with a 50% tendon tear. Basically, the veterinarian at Delaware diagnosed this
00:16:24horse with a tendon tear and said that the horse needed eight to 12 months off the horse,
00:16:27and they had food and wine. Basically, the horse was then drugged in order to mask that lameness
00:16:33and brought back on the track much earlier than the veterinarian suggested. And the veterinarian,
00:16:39to their credit, reported this to the Delaware stewards and the Delaware Racing Commission.
00:16:44And, you know, I guess this is the system sort of working because there was a punishment of some
00:16:50kind. And I'm sure this stuff happens more often than we want to admit across the country with
00:16:54basically no repercussions. But the suspensions and the fines were so minimal. And the owner got
00:17:02a $2,500 suspension and suspended 30 days. The trainer, same thing, $2,500, 30 days.
00:17:10The assistant trainer was fined $1,000 and suspended 15 days. I don't know what the Delaware
00:17:16Racing Commission, the Delaware stewards can legally do. But this seems like the kind of
00:17:20thing that should get people banned for life from that track and from that state. Feel free to
00:17:27educate me on what they're legally able to do. But I don't understand how this kind of thing
00:17:33gets this little of a suspension and a fine. This is everything that is wrong with racing right now.
00:17:39And it's just it's yet another example of something that happens on a smaller track
00:17:44that we are very lucky does not get reported in the national news. Because this would be a
00:17:49five alarm fire type story if it were actually reported nationwide. It's, I guess, fortunately,
00:17:57something that we are only talking about on the show and some other people are talking about.
00:18:00But this is the kind of stuff that is emblematic of a broken system where the welfare of the horse
00:18:06is so often not the top priority as it should be. These suspensions and fines were a joke.
00:18:13What do you guys think? Yeah, Joe, the the welfare of the horse has to be come first
00:18:20in every single situation. And if you're an owner trainer in this sport and you don't believe that
00:18:25or you don't abide by that rule, I totally agree. There's no place for you in this sport whatsoever.
00:18:31So, yes, they should have given them stricter suspensions. And, you know, it is just leaves a
00:18:38bad taste in your mouth is this sort of thing. The thing, too, is, you know, this was a little
00:18:42bit to me the gang that couldn't shoot straight. How on earth do they think they were going to get
00:18:45away with this or set a bow tendon? The vets that he needed eight to 12 months off and all of a
00:18:50sudden they give the horse presumably some sort of painkiller and have it out working in the morning.
00:18:54Who's not going to notice that sort of thing? So, you know, they they deserve to get caught.
00:19:00They deserve to be suspended. They deserve a stricter suspension. But it's in general and
00:19:05it's amazing we even are talking about this. How are there people in this game that still
00:19:10don't put the priority in the health and well-being of the horse first? But there are.
00:19:14And, you know, these are the type of people that have no business being involved in the sport.
00:19:20And you mentioned it just now as far as like, how do they think they're going to get away with it?
00:19:24Number one. Number two, why? Why do this? There are so many other options as far as,
00:19:31you know, donating a horse to a nonprofit to repurpose it. I mean, they'll do all the heavy
00:19:37lifting. They'll be the ones who will rehab the horse for eight to 12 months to make sure that
00:19:41the tendon heals better so the horse could be repurposed and go on with a different part of
00:19:47its career for the remainder of its life. So, like, why? If the end game was to get it off the
00:19:52vets list, then they were going to run it for, what, five thousand dollars, you know, and hope
00:19:56it got claimed after being on the vets list. It just didn't. It doesn't doesn't make sense. It
00:20:01doesn't make sense that, you know, why they would even try to get away with it. You know, not that
00:20:06I condone people, you know, of any stretch, you know, giving a horse any kind of performance
00:20:12enhancing drugs and run it in a stake race where you say, well, if they won, they would be hundreds,
00:20:16if not millions of dollars if they got it right. It doesn't matter. I mean, you know, but why even
00:20:21try to try to do the crime at that level, you know, where even if the horse jumped through all
00:20:27the hoops and everything, it didn't get hurt worse that it would, you know, where would it be at this
00:20:32point? And I don't think that we even touched on this because we had so much news coming through
00:20:37over the summer and the fall. But wasn't Delaware Park the place where that trainer went after one
00:20:45of her horses with a pitchfork because it wasn't acting properly? And the powers that be on the
00:20:52board at Delaware said, well, I believe that that, you know, this trainer and I'll use her name
00:20:57because it's in the news is Amber Cobb. You know, I believe that Amber Cobb was the most articulate
00:21:02trainer we've ever had in front of the board. It's almost like they were swooning over her
00:21:06as far as like, oh, she spoke so intelligently compared to the other people who were talking
00:21:11against her where they couldn't put together a sentence to basically save their lives. And
00:21:16therefore, you know, we don't condone this kind of action of, you know, pitchforking a horse,
00:21:21but she was just so articulate. We were just our breaths were taken away. We couldn't we couldn't,
00:21:26you know, give her, you know, we had to reduce, you know, the penalty for because she was just
00:21:32so gosh darn articulate. You know, you talk about the gang that couldn't shoot straight bill. I
00:21:37wasn't sure if you were talking about the owner trainer and his wife, who's the assistant trainer
00:21:41or the powers that be at Delaware Park. Yeah. Well, listen, anybody that's that's followed and
00:21:47bet Delaware Park over the years, I used to call it the land of make believe because you would get
00:21:51trainers like Jamie Ness who would come there and when, you know, 30 percent and then they would
00:21:55shift those horses up to Saratoga and they wouldn't run a step. And that told you all you
00:22:00needed to know about what was going on at Delaware Park. Like I said, the land of make believe where
00:22:05trainers can win at any percentage and nobody bats an eye. Yeah. Well, I just I agree with both
00:22:09of your points that, you know, why do I do this? It reminds me of the story we talked about a
00:22:13little a little while ago where the guy brought the horse off the five year layoff to run in a
00:22:18bottom level made and claimer like why why would you not just donate the horse or try to find a
00:22:23new home for the horse? So you're really going to go to all this trouble and all this effort
00:22:28to squeeze a couple of dollars out of a horse, you know, an injured horse or an old horse like
00:22:33it just it makes absolutely no sense. And yeah, I, you know, Delaware has a lot to answer for
00:22:40in the last couple of months. But, you know, unfortunately, this is what happens when people
00:22:44aren't looking. And then, you know, in general, people are not looking at some of these lower
00:22:48level tracks in Delaware and West Virginia and Arizona. You know, there was a story last week
00:22:53about Turf Paradise having all these racetrack concerns, you know, and whether or not they're
00:22:57going to have a meet and be able to conduct racing safely. It's just, you know, there are
00:23:02there are very few people watching at these smaller tracks and there's just so many shenanigans
00:23:06that happen that, you know, put horses in danger. And it's, you know, I overall I think that racing
00:23:12is doing a better job at the higher levels, at least of policing things and, you know,
00:23:17making racetracks safer and increasing veterinary transparency and all this stuff that we should
00:23:22have been doing for decades, honestly, but at least it's happening at the upper levels of the
00:23:25game now. It's still at the bottom levels. There's just there's so much of this crap and so much of
00:23:30this garbage and it just makes you exhausted, makes you exhausted to have to talk about this
00:23:35and continue to defend this sport all the time. It's just I don't like again, like there's no
00:23:41defense for any of this stuff. There's absolutely no defense for it. And yet here we are trying to
00:23:46be advocates for the sport. And this stuff pops up and it's like it feels like a lost cause.
00:23:52I know it's not. And I know that, you know, help is on the way, hopefully in the future. And,
00:23:57you know, we can we can put the finishing touches on the kind of general, you know,
00:24:02thrust of reform and the feeling of kind of the come to Jesus moment, I think racing had in the
00:24:08last couple of years that has spurred some good things on some good reforms. But, you know,
00:24:11this stuff still exists and it exists more than I think a lot of people in racing want to admit.
00:24:16And it just there's no excuse for it. It has to be cleaned up, but it's not going to be unless
00:24:21people are ruled off the grounds for good. These suspensions and lines are not going to do it.
00:24:27And we've seen that time and time again with cheating trainers and we'll see it again with
00:24:31animal abusers. It's just unless they get banned for life, unless there's that that
00:24:35specter of never being able to be on a racetrack again, it's just going to keep happening,
00:24:40unfortunately. So we're welcoming a new sponsor this week, another new sponsor that's near and
00:24:44dear to my heart as a New York bred the New York Breeding and Development Fund. We're excited to
00:24:49have them. It's obviously a great program. You know, we've you know, we've seen over the past
00:24:5310 years, especially that New York breds can run anywhere in the world and compete at the top
00:24:59levels. And that's that's definitely a credit to people at the NYTB because it wasn't always that
00:25:03wasn't always the case. There was a time when I did a story on this a couple of years ago.
00:25:08There was a time where New York bred full crops were declining pretty steadily,
00:25:12but the incentive programs and the great racing purse structure that they have
00:25:17has really bumped that back up. And it's once again a program on the rise. So we're honored to
00:25:23have them as a sponsor. And it's good timing because the basic tip in Saratoga fall mix sale
00:25:29returned this past Monday after a one year hiatus in 2020 due to covid. The sale came back with
00:25:34positive results and saw the most expensive horse through its ring in its eight year history. A New
00:25:39York bred weanling filly by Catalina Cruiser that's sold to Reeves Thoroughbred Racing,
00:25:44Dean and Patty Reeves for one hundred ninety five thousand dollars. And New York based sires
00:25:48were also represented and led by one hundred thousand dollar cult by leading New York sire
00:25:53Freud. Freud is a hard knocker, man. He is still out here producing the nice horses,
00:25:57especially on the turf. Very, very admirable sire. And an exciting New York bred son of Candy
00:26:03where I got his second stakes went on Monday. Senbay, who we saw when the funny side at Saratoga
00:26:09over the summer when the New York Breeders Featured at Finger Lakes by four links for
00:26:12Christophe Comat and owners Reeves Thoroughbred Racing just mentioned them. And Darlene Bylinski
00:26:17two year old was bred by Dr. Jerry Bylinski and folded his walled off Florida farm looks to have
00:26:23an exciting future. And I know they have some some new breeding announcements that John knows
00:26:28a little bit about as well. Well, what's great about the New York program is, you know, they
00:26:33make it very simple. And as a breeder who is out of state, I appreciate that. So we actually have
00:26:39two resident mayors that live in New York year round and are bred to New York stallions. And
00:26:44obviously, they get the benefits of being able to run in New York bread races going forward,
00:26:50which, you know, for most of the year in New York, the maiden special weight races for New York
00:26:54breads are eighty ninety one hundred thousand dollars. And the other then is just as much.
00:26:58So, you know, you have a chance if you win, you know, the maiden special weight race against New
00:27:03York breads and the other than against New York breads, you have a chance to make one hundred to
00:27:07one hundred twenty thousand dollars right off the bat. So that's with only winning two races,
00:27:10which is great. And then they've also, you know, over the past couple of years have included
00:27:17something, you know, with regard to the sales. So which we obviously have a lot of breeding
00:27:21stock sales coming up where if you buy a mare for fifty thousand dollars or more public auction
00:27:27and bring it to New York, that fall can be considered a New York bread, regardless of
00:27:32if it's by a New York, you know, by a New York stallion or not. So they're making it very simple
00:27:37to bring in higher priced mares to fall out in New York to get that New York bread. And case in
00:27:44point, Joe, I don't even know if I mentioned this before, but we actually bought a Constitution New
00:27:49York bread at the Saratoga sale because it was a New York bread. And I mean, he was gorgeous.
00:27:54And we actually, you know, we kept calling him the man. He's the man. He's the man because he
00:27:58looks so outstanding compared to, you know, a couple of the rest of the horses that were on
00:28:02that list. And to have a Constitution New York bread called, I mean, it was they blew our minds
00:28:07that we were able to kind of pair those two together. So kudos to New York breeding program
00:28:12for making the rules simple for guys like me to understand. And also another great idea
00:28:18being here on the show and being a sponsor. Yeah. And, you know, John is definitely invested in the
00:28:23New York bread program. I'm not personally financially invested, but I'm invested in
00:28:27seeing New York breads do well, like I said, as a New Yorker myself and a big supporter
00:28:31of New York racing. And it's just great, like I said, to have seen the resurgence
00:28:35of that program in the last 10, 15 years or so. They're doing a lot of things right.
00:28:39And we're very happy and honored to have them on the show as a sponsor. And we'll be right back
00:28:43after this message from the New York thoroughbred breeding and development fund.
00:28:49Now more than ever, it's time to get with the program because New York bread start with an
00:28:52advantage. New York breads run for a serious green at Belmont and Saratoga. New York bread
00:29:00maidens run for up to $75,000 and allowance horses for up to 85,000 and a serious New York
00:29:07bread owners can collect awards of up to $20,000 per horse per race in open company. So get back
00:29:13with the program. Seriously. So this is the final week. We are wrapping up our super popular
00:29:22honor code slash lanes and name the cult contest. We have our last three finalists. Oh, and we have
00:29:27a special guest sitting in as well. Bill Farish from lanes. And thanks for coming on, Bill.
00:29:33Thanks for having me on. Glad to have you. Glad to you guys sponsored this. It's been,
00:29:37you know, it's exceeded all of our expectations. How popular this is bad. People want to name
00:29:41horses and they like the show, I think. But so we thank you guys for sponsoring it. We have our
00:29:46final three selections just in case you're tuning in for the first time. The way we did it is we
00:29:50Bill, John and I each pick Bill Finley. John and I each picked a finalist each week for three weeks.
00:29:56This is that third week. And then our producer Patty added a horse, added a name for the 10th
00:30:00name, put them all together. We voted and we have a winner. But first, let's get to our finalists
00:30:06for this week. So my finalists this week, and I swear, I'm not trying to do this skip. But yet
00:30:12again, I picked a skip Anderson name. This week, I really like this one. It's let it get, you know,
00:30:21in honor of John Green's father and the Green Group founder, Len Green, really like that name.
00:30:28That's my finalist for this week. Toss it over to you, Bill Finley.
00:30:32Yeah, to Sean Cronin submitted knowing me knew,
00:30:35excuse me, this is a mouthful. Knowing me know knew that was what I went for.
00:30:43Is it an ABBA reference? Didn't Patty say that?
00:30:46Definitely an ABBA reference. Let me help you.
00:30:53Bill Finley, you know, back in the 70s, there was a band called ABBA. I don't know if you were,
00:30:57you were probably like, what, 40 or 50 years old when that was going on.
00:31:01Yeah, they were a cool band for a while there. So it's a great reference. And then the skip
00:31:07Anderson show continues because he came up with another great name that I selected,
00:31:12unknowing that it was skip. And the name was ice code beer, which I thought was very,
00:31:18very funny. And it was great that we got to use, you know, honor codes name in the in the text of
00:31:26ice code beer. So skip, thank you for your, I think we got like over 300 name selections
00:31:32and requests, and then skip through and like another hundred on top of that, you know,
00:31:36so it was, it was a very, very popular contest. And I think it was great because Bill Farish,
00:31:41I think when we had you on the show, a few months ago, we asked you the question of which stallion
00:31:47on your farm is undervalued the most and you said honor code. And that actually prompted us
00:31:52from DJ stable to go ahead and look at more honor codes, which is how we ended up picking
00:31:56up this cult. So there is a direct response to, to what you say and on the air and, and how it
00:32:02benefits you know, your, your stallions and hopefully our program as well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:11And so, so Patty had our final finalists, which was honor Ricky. So the mix of honor code and
00:32:18Nikki knew. So those are the 10 finalists. We're splashing them up on the screen, all 10 of them.
00:32:23We got four finalists from Skip Anderson is our number one fan at the show and is a sheep farmer.
00:32:30Let's see some pictures of his beautiful sheep has heard of sheep. Skip is a great guy. And
00:32:37it's always, he always participates in whatever we got going on. So it was, it was no surprise.
00:32:42Everybody who picked a finalist, you don't go home and handed each of the 10 finalists
00:32:47submissions, get an honor code hat presented by lanes. And so Skip gets four of those.
00:32:53He doesn't have four heads, but he's going to have to, he's going to have to rotate day after day.
00:32:57So, so that's a good prize for everybody who, who submitted. And I just want to thank everybody who
00:33:02submitted a name as well. We got so much feedback and so many submissions, and then we really
00:33:07appreciate it makes us feel good. And I'm sure it makes the folks at lanes. I feel good that you
00:33:11guys are so invested in this honor code cult, who's going to be on the track next year for DJ
00:33:16stable. And before we get to the winner, we have no Ferris on, let's get his opinion on who he
00:33:22would have, what name he would have picked. I didn't like a whistleblower the best.
00:33:28I was one of our first finalists from bill. Yeah, go ahead. It did make, it did make a finalist.
00:33:33Good. Yeah. I like one more names like that. And, and, you know, it's got, it's got good relevance
00:33:40with the honor code. So I like whistleblower. Cool. So build and not get an official vote,
00:33:47despite being, despite being the big cheese at lanes and who's sponsoring the contest and not
00:33:53get an official vote. I have another honor code called. You can help me name. Let's do it again.
00:34:01We'll do it 2.0. Yeah. I mean, people, people love this. So yeah, everybody gets a hat that
00:34:08got a finalist and graduations to skip for sending them for. So are we ready? Are we ready
00:34:13to reveal the winner? And we've already submitted this to the Jackie club, by the way, and they,
00:34:18they already approved it. So this is the name drum roll, please. We get the editing team to
00:34:24pipe in a drum roll because I can't really do it here where I'm sitting. The winner is stay
00:34:30on our good side. Skip Anderson, my dude. And I think, you know, I, this was my first finalist
00:34:37that I picked. We got a lot of votes. We, we, we went in a room, we all, you know, went in a
00:34:41conclave and then the white smoke came out of the top of the church. And then we finally decided on
00:34:47a name stay on our good side. I thought it was very clever because obviously it incorporates
00:34:50the honor code name and as well as kind of the Nikki knew what did Nikki know the part of it.
00:34:56So John, it's your horse. What do you think? No, I'm really pleased not only with the responses
00:35:01that we've received but also that you know, this is such a classy name and, and, you know,
00:35:07that's always a concern when we, when we send things out to the, to the general masses of
00:35:11what are you going to come back with? And I was really, really pleased that stay on our good side,
00:35:16you know, was selected. I know that he will definitely run up to that name and, and, and
00:35:23it'll be, you know, plastered all over a lot of winter circle pictures and a lot of trophies
00:35:28coming up. He is an Ontario bread. So he will, you know, you know, likely go up to woodbine and
00:35:34hopefully be King and continue on with Mark Cassidy's program of winning the cup and saucer
00:35:39and some of the, the great handicap and some of the other really great two-year-old steak races
00:35:44that are coming up and hopefully the breeder's cup. So hopefully not only will we have
00:35:48lanes and honor code hats, but we'll hopefully have breeders cup stay on our good side hats as
00:35:53well. And, and bill Ferris, I can't thank you enough for, for, you know, willingness to, to be
00:35:59involved with, with this contest and, and really, you know, honor code genuinely in, in our estimation
00:36:04is one of the most undervalued horses that's out there. And I know you guys have an announcement
00:36:09coming up with stud fees for 2022. And I really hope that, that he stays, you know, in that lane
00:36:15of the 15 to $20,000 stud fees, despite the fact that he's got max player and Maracuja and feel the
00:36:21fear and a lot of other horses that are going out to California for the breeder's cup.
00:36:25Yeah, he's, he really, you know, he's, he's sitting there at the top of the three,
00:36:29third crop sire list for grade one winners. It's tied with, with Liam's map at the moment
00:36:34with three grade one winners. He's got two, two real shots at the breeder's cup, we think.
00:36:41And, you know, he just, he really is, is doing very well. And for whatever reason he's, he's
00:36:46stays undervalued and underrated. And, but that's okay, he'll, he'll grind it out. And
00:36:53we're excited to have honor AP here, who, you know, of course, is the only three year old
00:36:59colt to beat authentic last year, or year before last. So, you know, I think he's got a lot going
00:37:06for him. And, and, you know, we appreciate you doing this, this, which could, you know,
00:37:12because it obviously helps promote honor code as well.
00:37:15Yeah, no, I mean, it was, it was a good partnership. And we thank you guys for coming
00:37:19on. Listen, you don't have too many chances to get into the AP Indy family, you know,
00:37:24one of the last great champion sons of AP Indy. So, you know, I think he should be a very popular
00:37:29sire. And obviously Max Player has a big shot in the classic as well. So that, that can't hurt.
00:37:34And we definitely hope that we drummed up some interest for him. This is a great,
00:37:38great idea. John, we appreciate you, you know, participating and bringing the horse up and
00:37:44letting the audience name them and then Bill Farrish and everybody in lanes. And we also
00:37:47thank you as well. So without further ado, we'll be right back after this message from
00:37:52honor code and lanes that honor code a multiple grade one winner from the final crop of the
00:37:59legendary AP Indy never off the board in 11 starts. He was crowned champion older horse
00:38:05before retiring. Now he is living up to the promise of his pedigree with progeny,
00:38:10like grade one winners, honor AP max player and Maracuja and multiple six figure yearling sales
00:38:19honor code stands to continue his sire's legacy at Lane's end.
00:38:25The green group guest of the week is sponsored by the green group and accounting tax consulting
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00:38:38at www.greenco.com. So we're thrilled to bring on this week. The guy who does nomination sales
00:38:45at Kumar. We're very grateful for the new sponsorship. Adrian Wallace, new dad as well.
00:38:50Third kid. Yep. Penelope Jane arrived last Thursday. On time, as I said before,
00:38:58unlike both our parents who are notoriously late for pretty much everything they do.
00:39:02But she's arrived. She's healthy and well and touch wood. It's a very early days, but we're
00:39:07getting through the night. Okay. And yeah, all good.
00:39:11And we appreciate you making time to come on with us. We're probably splashing up a photo
00:39:15of a very cute baby right now. That's what the fans love. And so they tune in for it.
00:39:19But yeah, so Adrian, lots of, lots of, lots to talk about as always at cool more,
00:39:23but I wanted to start with your background and how you got started in racing detect a little
00:39:28bit of an accent. So you got, you got your, your schooling in Ireland, but can you tell us about
00:39:33your background in racing and how you ended up at Walmart? Yeah. So my, my family owns a small
00:39:40stud farm in Tipperary in Ireland called Greenland house stud. The farm is, it was run by my parents.
00:39:47My dad is a doctor. My mom, the farm came from her side of the family. And so she bred and
00:39:53raised horses, mostly jumps horses. And we grew up showing, always had a lot of horses,
00:39:58showing horses and, and, and hunting horses. And my brother, Mark, used to be assistant trainer
00:40:05for a Brian back when he took over from Vincent. So he spent a couple of years there before moving
00:40:12on to John Ox and then to, to make a channel in England. And then he went out on his own as a
00:40:18trainer in, in new markets, trained a good sprinter called Ben born who won the breed of
00:40:22Lava. And then he moved to France to try or not to France, but to, to Australia to train for a
00:40:28few years and packed it in about six years ago and moved back to Tipperary and he's managing the farm
00:40:36for us. And that does a great job. We actually bred a Philly called mother earth this year,
00:40:40who won the thousand guineas and new markets for, for Mr. Magner, Tabor and Smith. So that was a
00:40:46kind of a, it was a nice, a nice, a nice story to it. So hopefully we'll see her and a couple
00:40:51of weeks in the readers. Hey, Adrian, thanks for joining us. It's Bill Finley here. We got you at
00:40:58a good time because who more released all it's a stud fees for 2022, a lot to talk about here,
00:41:04but I think the one that I was most surprised was a reduction in this, in this country for American
00:41:10Pharaoh from a hundred thousand to 80,000. I mean, obviously he's a good sires got off to a good
00:41:15start. Could you take us through the decision and why the reduction was stuck to you there?
00:41:20We thought that, listen, he's doing very, very well. He's had, he's had three grade one winners,
00:41:24very much perceived as a, an international sire. Now I think he's probably one dirt horse away or
00:41:32one good dirt horse away from keeping him really current in this market. He covered 200 mares last
00:41:37year. So he still remains very popular. I think it was just looking down the sales results early
00:41:42this morning and you know, it's still at 17 yearlings bring over 200,000 at the sales in
00:41:49Keeneland. So he remains very, very relevant, but we thought, listen, if he's until he gets that
00:41:54group, one winner on dirt, really in this country, people are starting to perceive him maybe as a bit
00:42:00of a turf sire. So we just thought to make it, to keep him relevant, to keep him in the spotlight,
00:42:03we had to drop him a little bit. And we think he'll do that. I mean, he's, he's had a group
00:42:09of winners in the USA. He had a European champion two-year-old last year in Bangor in Europe. He's
00:42:14had a group home winner in Japan. You know, Phillies like Mernyth and Harvey's little
00:42:19girl over here are continuing to have flown the flag for him this year, along with their own,
00:42:24as time goes by, who was a dual group two winner in grade one place down in California.
00:42:28But we're, we, you know, we realised that he needs to do it on the, on the dirt as well.
00:42:33So I think that was our main reason for dropping him a little bit.
00:42:37Yeah. And Adrian, thank you so much for coming on. And this is perfect timing,
00:42:42because obviously, again, he just announced the 2022 stud fees coming out. And Bill mentioned,
00:42:47you know, American Pharoah, who I think is great value now at $80,000. And a couple of
00:42:51the other stallions that I had highlighted as a breeder that I wanted to circle back on,
00:42:55one is looking at Lucky, who I think, you know, dollar for dollar is one of the most consistent
00:43:00stallions here in the States. He throws runners. And I know when you're trying to make your mare,
00:43:05you know, you need to have good first, second falls. And he's one that we've used time and time
00:43:10again. I was glad to see that he's at $15,000. And then for the past couple of weeks, I've been,
00:43:15you know, on the Mendelsohn bandwagon, telling everyone who would listen, you know, from the
00:43:19July sale to the September sale to even when we just got back from Goffs, just how outstanding
00:43:24the Mendelsohns look. And you guys obviously must see that as well, because here's a sire that is
00:43:30entering, you know, kind of a critical point in time before the horses start to run. And yet,
00:43:35you didn't have to reduce his stud fee, because there's, I'm assuming that there's such international
00:43:39interest in the horse. There is, I mean, if any, we're very privileged and lucky to have a strong
00:43:46group of stallions from, you know, Justify, Pharaoh and Uncle Mo on down to the young,
00:43:52unproven horses like Cupid and Motown. But in between there, you've got a horse, as you say,
00:43:59like Mendelsohn, who, yes, is on the verge of having his first runners next year. So he's
00:44:04obviously unproven, but is there a better horse in America in terms of the ingredients that go
00:44:09in to make a stallion? You know, he's by a sire of sires who was taken too early from us in Scatdaddy.
00:44:16He's a brother to Beholder and Into Mischief, as obviously is well documented. And he's also
00:44:21received, well, and being a $3 million yearling, he's obviously a very, very good looking horse.
00:44:26Couple that with being a Breeders' Cup winner and a runaway winner of the UA Derby winner,
00:44:30and also running well in races like the Travers over here while being trained in Ireland.
00:44:36You know, that's obviously, it shows his durability and his ability as a racehorse.
00:44:41So I think he's got those ingredients, which are obviously, you know, very important in
00:44:46having a successful sire. And then he's been very popular in his first three years at stud
00:44:52and will be, I'm sure, in his fourth. So we felt that last year he covered close to 200 mares again.
00:44:59He's been very, very popular throughout his first three years. We think he'll be popular again,
00:45:05given how well received his yearlings were. So we felt it was necessary to keep his price solid
00:45:11at that. We didn't want to raise him. I think we could have raised him probably because of the
00:45:15demand, how high demand has been in the last two years. But we felt that, you know,
00:45:21we don't like raising the stud fee in the fourth year. It just seems a little bit
00:45:28nothing to do. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there, Adrian. I wanted to ask about Caravaggio
00:45:33because he's a horse that I think has taken off in Europe, but we haven't really seen much of his
00:45:37progeny here in the US. He's now come over to the US and is standing at Ashford in Kentucky.
00:45:44Can you talk a little bit about why you guys decided to bring him over to the US
00:45:48at this point? I mean, obviously, he's a son of Scat Daddy. There aren't too many stallion sons
00:45:53of Scat Daddy left and justify you guys have another one. We remember him winning the Commonwealth
00:45:58Cup so brilliantly at ASCA. Can you talk about the decision to bring him over? Well, I mean,
00:46:03not many people may know this, but Caravaggio was actually born here. He was bred by our Director
00:46:08of Sales, Charlie O'Connor, and his father-in-law, Rick Inbert. So they used to own the damn
00:46:15Mecca Octaves by Holy Bull. So he was born here, lived here until he was bought privately by Mr.
00:46:23Magner and partners, Tabor and Smith, to go to Valley Doyle. So he lived here and he was a horse
00:46:29that obviously, you know, dual-graded winner at Royal Ascot as a two-year-old and again,
00:46:36as a three-year-old winning the Commonwealth. Very, very good sprinter and a horse that we
00:46:40wanted to have back here pretty much from the moment we heard he was going to retire.
00:46:45We didn't get him the first year. We didn't get him the second year. Luckily, we got him in the
00:46:49fourth year. So we begged to have him. And I think when you look at him, he's very much an American
00:46:55type of horse. You know, he's very well built. He's very broad across his chest. He's got a great
00:47:01forearm, a great gasket on him. He looks fast. He looks like he should have been a dirt horse
00:47:08rather than a turf sprinter. And certainly, you know, he's off to a flying start in Europe,
00:47:15where the majority of his first runners have been. Tenderbrism, obviously, was his first
00:47:19winner for us, for Valley Doyle, Nadine O'Brien, early in the year. And she came back two weeks
00:47:24or three weeks ago and won the Cheveley Park at Newmarket, which is, you know, like winning the
00:47:30Al-Shabaibis here at Keeneland. It's an emblematic two-year-old fillies race at the end of the
00:47:34season. And so to do that is very, very important. He's also been represented here by Wesley Ward's
00:47:42Her World, who won a stakes race in her debut in Monmouth. So he's had some exposure over here
00:47:48with his early runners. But obviously, the flag will be flown in Europe for the coming years.
00:47:54But I think he's a horse that, you know, he bred 170 mares here in his first crop
00:47:58or his first book of mares. He was very popular. American breeders like him, like him physically.
00:48:03So I think, you know, he's a horse with a lot to offer.
00:48:06Adrian, reading up a little bit about your background, when Joe asked you a question
00:48:10earlier, you gave us some thoughts on that. But I read that one of the reasons why you
00:48:14wanted to come work in America was your love affair with Cigar. Tell us more about that.
00:48:20Yeah, very interesting. You say there were two horses, really. Cigar was one of them,
00:48:24and Thunder Gulch was the other. I went to a school called Glenstall Abbey School in Ireland,
00:48:30which is a Benedictine monastery. And MB, JP and Tom Wagner also went there. So I was good friends
00:48:35with them from an early age. And when I was leaving school, I wasn't really 100% sure what
00:48:40I wanted to do. So they encouraged me to come over here. I came here for a year. And at that time,
00:48:47I came here in 2001. And it was just, I think Cigar was finishing up his racing career in 97,
00:48:5398, if I'm not mistaken. And he was on his wonderful run of 18 races undefeated for Bill
00:49:01Martin. I just remember him winning under the lights. Obviously, a lot of these emblematic
00:49:06American races like the Breeders' Cup, and a lot of these great ones happen at night in Europe.
00:49:11So I got accustomed to staying up late following this horse around the country and taking his
00:49:17track everywhere he came. I remember vividly watching Thunder Gulch also winning the 1995
00:49:23Kentucky Derby. So it was just a love of American racing and the horses. Generally watching these
00:49:29races with my friends or my family late at night just always sort of had American racing had a
00:49:35sort of romanticism for me. So that's really what drew me to America. And I came for a year,
00:49:4020 years later, I'm still here. And we're appreciative that you are still here.
00:49:48One more question for you about some of the stud fees and stallions that are over at the farm.
00:49:55Munnings, who in racing circles, everyone knows of Munnings. They know he throws a wonderfully
00:50:01good looking horse. His sales averages are two and a half times what his stud fee is.
00:50:05And now he's taken that extra leap into the stratosphere of getting horses that are Breeders'
00:50:12Cup worthy and Derby and Oaks worthiness. Walk me through, walk us through the process of
00:50:19taking a stallion like Munnings who has a great following. He was standing for $40,000,
00:50:25$50,000, $60,000 even last year. And now to make the leap to $85,000.
00:50:31He's a very interesting horse. And he's actually a horse that if you study how his stallion career
00:50:37has evolved, he's really, really done it the hard way. I mean, he was introduced.
00:50:42Obviously, we bought him at the two-year-old sales. He was a high-priced juvenile down in Florida.
00:50:49At 1.4 million, I believe was what he cost as a two-year-old. Three-time grade two winner for
00:50:55Michael Tabor and Todd Fletcher. Grade one place in the hopeful as a two-year-old. Obviously,
00:51:01he had speed, he had precocity, but he retired without winning the all-important group one.
00:51:07We introduced him at a fee of $12,500. And while he was always popular, he was covering workmen
00:51:13like mares. He was covering the middle of the range, a bunch of mares. But the thing that he
00:51:18seems to transmit and certainly transmitted with his early books that's helped him through the
00:51:25lull that can inevitably happen in the third and fourth book when a stallion isn't getting the same
00:51:29quality or numbers is their longevity. And they seem to have, if you look down his list of runners
00:51:36every day or his results from the previous days, it's amazing how many four, five, six,
00:51:41seven, eight-year-olds there are still running. They're very durable horses.
00:51:44And I think when you've got horses in your stable as a trainer, as an owner,
00:51:47and you see horses that are constantly earning you a paycheck, at whatever level,
00:51:50obviously, we're concentrating mainly on the group races and the big days. But it leaves a
00:51:56good taste in your mouth as an owner and as a trainer. If you're saying, oh, that money's in
00:52:00the stable, he's six years old now, he's running for me seven or eight times a year, and he's
00:52:05consistently winning races, whether they be allowance races or smaller stakes.
00:52:10I think that that is very important, not only for a stallion's stats and numbers,
00:52:14but it's very important in keeping him relevant and keeping him popular in owners,
00:52:18buyers, and breeders' minds. So I think that stood to him. He's now at the stage where he's
00:52:24receiving very good support from some of the best breeders in the world. I mean,
00:52:30Leif Aron from Jobmont called yesterday and asked to reserve four spots for them. He's receiving
00:52:37mares from the likes of Jobmont, Darley, Stone Street, to name but a few, and obviously internal
00:52:43support here at Coolmore. So he's getting the better mares now and has done for the last three
00:52:47or four years. The best is definitely yet to come with him. I think he's a horse that
00:52:51will eventually, having done it the hard way, will be standing at 100,000.
00:52:57He's got Jack Christopher this year, who's going to be favoured for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile,
00:53:02and obviously Kamari earlier in the year, who won the Madison for Wesley Ward
00:53:05in her own backyard here at Keeneland. So he's getting it done at all levels, colts, fillies.
00:53:12The great thing is, as I said, they're very durable, sound, hard-knocking horses.
00:53:16No question about it. And Adrian, one more question for me, and that is,
00:53:20everybody wants to breed to American Pharaoh and Uncle Mo and Justify and the top, top stallions.
00:53:27If somebody came to you and said, Adrian, I have a mare that I want to breed, and I want to go
00:53:33ahead and race the fall, is there a stallion that's on your roster, stallions on your roster
00:53:38that maybe are under the radar because they're just not necessarily commercial appeal, but they
00:53:44throw hard-knocking horses that you would recommend to a breeder to bring their mare to?
00:53:50Yeah. You mentioned him before, looking at Lucky, he's that horse. He gets runners every single
00:53:57year. He's had a Breeders' Cup Classic winner. He gets hard-knocking, good, strong race horses
00:54:05every single year. Diamond Dupes is a better embodiment of what a stallion is all about.
00:54:13Diamond Dupes is now, I think, six years old, keeps running with credit every single time.
00:54:17So, yeah, yes, looking at Lucky is the one for me. He doesn't really get the true sales horse,
00:54:22but if you're looking to breed a race horse for $15,000, I think he's the best value we've got.
00:54:28Last question for me, I think we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about Justify. You guys have the
00:54:33unique distinction of standing two Triple Crown winners, but I always think it's interesting
00:54:37because there's such a gap between sometimes when the horse stops running and when the horses go
00:54:42and when the horses go through the sales ring. Obviously, I think that there's a major demand
00:54:47for Justify yearlings. His yearlings sold very well throughout the summer and at Keeneland
00:54:52September, but what has been your sense of the demand since he retired through now? Has it kept
00:54:58up with what you expected? Has it dipped? Has it raised? What's your feeling about that?
00:55:04In his first book, he covered just over 250 mares, which is a huge amount. Given the quality
00:55:10that he covered, he covered 68 or 69 Group 1 winners or producers in his first book.
00:55:17That has continued in his second and third books, even though he covered slightly less.
00:55:21He still covered good books in terms of numbers in second and third crop.
00:55:28He's got all the ingredients. He was a wonderful race horse, albeit over a short period of time,
00:55:33but I think he took the country by storm in that 114 day spell or whatever it was.
00:55:40The quality of mares he's bred, the way they looked, the way they sold,
00:55:44he is a horse that's got international appeal, as was witnessed in Keeneland September, especially
00:55:50considering three of his highest priced yearlings were bought by Japanese interests.
00:55:55So I think he's a horse that will have a certain amount of exposure in Europe as well. We've taken
00:56:02a lot of our better ones over to Europe to go to Valley Doyle, so we'll see how they adapt
00:56:06to European training and European services. So again, like American Pharaoh, you'll get the
00:56:11benefit of an international audience. That, I think, is very important nowadays. If you've got
00:56:17all the buyers who come to Keeneland and come to Daisy Tipton Saratoga, and they want to see
00:56:23international horses and these horses, given their profile and given the breeders that bred to them,
00:56:28and given where they are going to run, they've got every chance now of becoming
00:56:32truly international stars. Yeah, and you guys do a great job. I don't know whether you had
00:56:38a lot to do with it. We appreciate Kulmar coming on board as a sponsor on the show.
00:56:42We're very honored to have you guys, and we're honored to have you on the show. Adrian Wallace,
00:56:45thank you so much for the time. I've enjoyed it. Thank you very much, guys. I appreciate it.
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00:58:06West Point had another exciting maiden winner over the weekend with Derecho Dandy,
00:58:10who broke his maiden at Santa Anita on Sunday for trainer John Sadler. And this past Friday,
00:58:15West Point added another horse to their list of stakes winners with Morning Twilight,
00:58:18who won the Oklahoma Classics Lassie Stakes and the two-year-old affiliates trained by Steve
00:58:23Asmussen, owned in partnership with Edwin Barker and Tidaltown Racing Stables.
00:58:27And the retired racehorse project Thoroughbred Makeover was held this past weekend and featured
00:58:32four former West Point horses, including Still Dreaming, who was a winner a few years ago for
00:58:37Graham Motion as a half-brother to Nyquist, once he won the show hunter division of the show.
00:58:43It's great. It's great to see the West Point horses being repurposed and rehomed and retrained.
00:58:48Obviously, fully support that. I know that's something that Terry Finley is passionate
00:58:52about, but there's also some racing-related results with John Green, always the most
00:58:58important part of any segment. Yeah, Joe, we're fortunate enough to have a couple of good horses
00:59:03with our friends at West Point Thoroughbred. Two weeks ago, we had Swat Analysis, who made his
00:59:08return to the racetrack, a triumphant win, easy hand-ride win in an A other than.
00:59:13And now he's being pointed to the Ontario Derby at the end of the month,
00:59:17which is a Grade 3 up at Woodbine. And then even more recently and more importantly,
00:59:23Turned Aside that we own with West Point Thoroughbreds ran a really solid second in
00:59:27the Grade 2 in the Arctic and only lost to millionaire Avis Flatter. So again,
00:59:35our partnership with West Point Thoroughbred continues to blossom and come up with great
00:59:40results. Thanks again to trainer Mark Cassie. And Turned Aside right now, we're entertaining
00:59:45some thoughts about maybe sending him to California if he can get into the Breeders'
00:59:50Cup Turf Sprint. We're still working on that. We're still not sure he's going to get in, but
00:59:53he ran a 98 buyer, which is really outstanding and good enough to compete in the Breeders' Cup
00:59:59Turf Sprint. So stay tuned. Yeah, I mean, other than Golden Pal, I think it's a pretty wide open
01:00:06field. So I support you guys in that endeavor. You're all waiting for my approval on whether or
01:00:11not you can send that horse to California. Don't worry. You have my blessing to send Turned Aside
01:00:16to California. But yeah. And also, I can't wait to see all those high-priced yearlings on the
01:00:20track next year because they're going to be loaded. And obviously, you pretty much swept
01:00:26the toppers at Galen September. So that's going to be very interesting to see how those horses
01:00:31pan out. And also Flightline, who I mentioned at the top, still pointing to the Malibu States.
01:00:35We're very excited about that. And we said this last week and the week before that this was kind
01:00:41of the last two weekends that you could possibly run a horse in the prep races and then come over
01:00:47for the Breeders' Cup. So I thought this would be a good week to kind of run down the fields
01:00:52and how they're shaping up and who we can expect to see who's going to get bet hard.
01:00:56And so I'm just going through some of the early betting here. Obviously, we have the future stars
01:01:03Friday on Friday with all the juvenile races. And then we have the rest of the program on Saturday.
01:01:08On Friday, it looks like we're going to have two pretty solid favorites in the main races with
01:01:12Echo Zulu and Jack Christopher. Obviously, both were very, very impressive in their first couple
01:01:17of races. Echo Zulu, I think, has been a little bit less tested than Jack Christopher just because
01:01:23I think the two-year-old fillies have not been quite where the two-year-old males are at this
01:01:27point. She's currently a two-to-one early favorite on most books. Juju's Map, who won
01:01:33the Darley Alcibiades very impressively, is four-to-one. Looking at the juvenile fillies
01:01:40turf, there's nobody right now shorter than five-to-one. We talked to Adrian Wallace about
01:01:45Tenebrism, who's by Caravaggio, currently five-to-one co-favorite. So that's going to be
01:01:50a very interesting betting race. But the juvenile, I think, is going to be a terrific race. And the
01:01:54top three right now in the wagering are Jack Christopher, Cornish, and Major General.
01:01:59Major General, I thought I was going to get a big price on him. Seems like everyone else has
01:02:03sniffed him out, too. He's currently five-to-one in the early wagering. I was hoping to get
01:02:08double digits on him. But just moving on to Saturday, it looks like we're going to have a
01:02:12couple of really big favorites. And that's going to be the determining factor in whether or not
01:02:17you're able to make money on Brewer's Cup Saturday. Because we got Gamin, who's definitely
01:02:21going to be odds-on. She can be four-to-five, three-to-five. That got John's attention,
01:02:25got him to stop looking at the Keeneland November catalog. And then we got Jackie's Warrior in the
01:02:31Brewer's Cup Spring. He's probably not going to be odds-on, but he's going to be pretty short.
01:02:34Bayid, who won over the weekend, is coming over for the Brewer's Cup Mile. Probably going to be
01:02:39a pretty short price, along with Space Blues. I think the Euros are going to be probably the top
01:02:43three or four choices in the Mile. The Distaff, Latruska, is going to be a very short price.
01:02:48It's interesting to see how they bet between her and Malathot. I think those two are going
01:02:52to take the vast majority of the play. It'll be interesting to see how much of a gap there is
01:02:56between those two. It looks like Tarnawa is going to come to the turf and going to be very
01:03:02tough to beat in there. But you also have Mishrif. Adair is probably going to come over. We'll see
01:03:07about Love or maybe a couple of the eight and O'Brien horses. But also in the Dirt Mile,
01:03:12I kind of think Life is Good is going to be a short price. And just going through,
01:03:15you know, Golden Pal on the turf sprint. The Classic, I think that next go is probably
01:03:19going to be like eight to five, two to one. But that's going to be interesting to see how that
01:03:24shakes out in the wagering. That's my main takeaway so far is that I think Saturday it
01:03:28looks like there's going to be a lot of favorites and it's going to be on the better to figure out
01:03:33which ones they think are vulnerable. That's going to make the difference in terms of whether
01:03:36or not you're able to make money on that card. Let's just get some general thoughts from you
01:03:40guys on what you're looking forward to and some of the horses you're looking forward to seeing at
01:03:44the Breeders' Cup. Yeah, Joe, among these big favorites, I'm not sure any of them are vulnerable.
01:03:48I mean, you know, stranger things have happened. But, you know, can you see Latruska getting beat?
01:03:52I can't. Can you see Jackie's Warrior getting beat? I can't. Tarno, this interesting website,
01:03:58thanks for sending it by oddschecker.com. In the turf, I'm surprised Tarno was such a big favorite,
01:04:03seven to four, just a hair under two to one. And also to show what they think of the American
01:04:09horses, the top three favorites in there are all European and domestic spending,
01:04:14considered our top horse for the Breeders' Cup turf is five to one.
01:04:18Then, you know, this goes to show you, we've talked about this a lot. Look at how deep the
01:04:22classic is. Now, one thing we didn't mention, like Maxfield now is going to pass, which I thought was
01:04:27a little bit of a an odd choice to do that to go for the Clark. But they've got Nixco at three to
01:04:31one, Essential Quality at nine to two. And look at the kind of horses you're getting for these
01:04:35bigger prices. Medina Spirit at eight to one, Hot Rod Charlie at ten to one, Max Player at ten to
01:04:40one, and Art Collector at twelve to one. So you're getting the horses like Max Player and Art
01:04:44Collector and Hot Rod Charlie coming off great. Medina Spirit as well, coming up grade one wins
01:04:50with really good strong form on the year going off at eight, ten, twelve to one in there.
01:04:56I'm looking forward to the Juvenile very, very much. Jack Christopher versus Corniche.
01:05:01You know, you mentioned Major General, I'm really focused in on those two.
01:05:04Jack Christopher is five to two in the line, Corniche is four to one. I'm surprised there's
01:05:08that much of a gap between them. Also, these prices seem a little generous. I don't think
01:05:12you're getting three to one on Nixco in the Breeders' Cup Classic. I don't think you're
01:05:15getting five to two on Jack Christopher in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile through the pair of mutual
01:05:20pulls. But you never know. I think the East Coast, West Coast showdown of Jack Christopher and
01:05:25Corniche is going to be fascinating. And that's going to be a really good race. And of course,
01:05:30you know, let's get back to the horse of the year discussion. If Latruska can win the distaff,
01:05:35she puts herself very much in the equation. I think Nixco and Accenture Quality would both
01:05:39have to lose the Classic, and she'd have to win the distaff for her to be horse of the year.
01:05:44But, you know, she's going to be one of the highlights as well. And she's just a terrific,
01:05:50terrific mare with a terrific year. Yeah, and you guys have gone over all
01:05:55the major important races, so I don't want to be redundant. The only thing that I want to add on,
01:06:00to build what you were saying before is, you know, I was surprised that Maxfield is skipping
01:06:06the richest race, you know, in the United States to go into the Clark. And it's not to denigrate,
01:06:11you know, or say anything negative towards the Clark because it is a great one. But it was just
01:06:18a surprise to me as to, you know, why you would skip that opportunity to run in the Clark. My
01:06:24guess is they want to have one more G1 next to the horse's name and then possibly retire him.
01:06:29And on a winding note, which I, you know, I kind of understand that strategy. But man,
01:06:34you don't want to see all the powerhouses in the big race, you know, out in California this year.
01:06:39The other announcement that, you know, that surprised me a little bit was the fact that
01:06:45Nixco, you know, the powers that be owning Nixco sold the breeding rights to TaylorMade,
01:06:50or at least the horse is going to stand at TaylorMade, you know, once his career is over.
01:06:55And it was interesting to me, you know, as to how that deal kind of came down and ultimately,
01:07:01you know, have the horse stand at TaylorMade. You know, so obviously, they have tremendous
01:07:06reading interest in the Breeders' Cup Classic. But it is a deep field, even with a couple of
01:07:11these defections. It is still a really, really deep field and things will continue to develop
01:07:16over the next couple of weeks because like we always say, they're not machines, they're animals
01:07:19and they're athletes and horses may get temps or foot problems or, you know, a myriad of other
01:07:24things that can come up between now and then. But it is shaping up to be as solid of a classic
01:07:29group as I can remember in the past few years. Yeah. And, you know, just touching on the Maxfield
01:07:34thing, you know, it's a great field. It's an awesome, terrific, one of the best classic
01:07:38fields I've seen in a while. But we've talked about this, that it looks like there's a lot
01:07:41of speed in there and you would have thought that it would maybe set up for a horse like Maxfield.
01:07:45So it is interesting that they're going to take the, you know, the lesser route, so to speak,
01:07:51and the Clark and like you said, probably should try to get another great one went under his belt.
01:07:55But I thought he had a decent chance in there, especially if the pace got hot. You know,
01:08:00I would have been willing to take a shot, obviously not my horse.
01:08:03But one of the things I like is that we do have a lot at stake at the Breeders' Cup. We don't
01:08:08want everything to be settled. Obviously, some divisions are settled. Latruska is going to be
01:08:11champion, older Dirtmare. Yeah, I, Jackie's Warrior is probably going to be champion,
01:08:17Sprinter, I don't see who else you could really vote for at this point. But, you know, we're
01:08:21going to be champion male, male, M-A-L-E, Sprinter. Yeah, I mean, but, you know,
01:08:29Horse of the Year is still up for grabs, champion turf female. It'll be interesting to see if
01:08:33Warlike Goddess wins the Philly Ameriturf, but then Tarnowa wins the Breeders' Cup turf.
01:08:40You know, I've seen horses come over and just run that one big race and win champion.
01:08:45So that'll be interesting. And there's a lot, I think there's a lot still to be determined,
01:08:48two-year-old male, two-year-old Philly as well. So that's one of the things I like about it is
01:08:53when the Breeders' Cup is really that kind of showdown to determine the year-end champions.
01:08:57It makes it feel like a different sport. It makes it feel like the playoffs, you know,
01:09:01and in a different, in a team sport. So that's exciting. And the Classic is, I think, going to
01:09:06be one of the best ones we've seen in a long time. Plenty of intrigue. We'll touch on it more once the
01:09:11pre-entries come out and the fields start to take closer shape. We just wanted to run down what we
01:09:16got going on right now in terms of who's getting bet early. And it does look like Gamine is probably
01:09:21going to be the shortest price in the entire Breeders' Cup. And it ain't just going to be
01:09:26because of John Green's plunge. I think it just, it's, it's, it's the public. It's the,
01:09:31the public can't get enough of Gamine. And there's really nobody else in that race,
01:09:35except for maybe Bella Sophia and CC. Can't think of anybody else.
01:09:39By the way, when he's the top stallion in racing about six, seven years from now,
01:09:44stay on her good side. Can we breed, stay on her good side to Gamine? How about that?
01:09:48Only if Gamine is good enough.
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01:12:06This broke yesterday and it's not a huge, huge story, I guess, that Simon Callahan got suspended
01:12:12for 15 days and fined $15,000 or $5,000, excuse me, for treating unraced three-year-old Colt
01:12:19Federal Bureau. It was a $1.2 million Keeneland September buy with three shockwave therapy
01:12:25treatments within 30 days prior to a workout. And this is according to a Santa Anita Board
01:12:29of Stewards ruling from October 17th, the suspension will run from November 14th to
01:12:35November 28th. Now, I don't know how big of a deal this is and that's why I want to bring John in on
01:12:40this. It is worth noting that shockwave therapy is allowed. It's just a certain amount of time
01:12:47to a race that it's allowed within and that time has gotten shorter in the last couple of years
01:12:53with Santa Anita trying to crack down on horses, potentially unsad horses being on the track.
01:12:59I obviously don't know the specifics of this horse or what his issues may be, but
01:13:04equine shockwave therapy is a treatment widely used on the backstretch for soft tissue,
01:13:08musculoskeletal, and bone problems such as sore shins. I wonder what John thinks because,
01:13:15you know, it does carry with it concerns, as I'm quoting from Dan's story, over its analgesic
01:13:20properties which can last up to three days post-treatment. And like I said, CHRB extended
01:13:26that post-treatment window for breezing from 10 days to 30. John, have you used shockwave therapy
01:13:33on your horses? How much of a benefit do you think it has? How big of a deal is it that Simon
01:13:38Callahan got popped for something like this? Yeah, Joe, you know, not only have I used it on
01:13:42our horses, but I've also, you know, spoken to other human athletes that swear by it and think
01:13:50that it's a great procedure. It's not invasive. It's not anything like you're injecting or anything
01:13:55like that. Basically, you're standing on a pad for all intents and purposes. And there are,
01:14:01you know, they call it shockwaving, but in reality, it's just pressure waves that are
01:14:06going through the tissue and trying to stimulate blood flow and new growth of, you know, of a blood
01:14:14supply to an injured area. So, the science of it, you know, if you buy into the science, it,
01:14:20you know, makes sense as far as is it going to help any athlete, whether it's equine or human,
01:14:26you know, its primary use was for humans for like kidney stones, you know, to remove kidney stones
01:14:33or to reduce the size of kidney stones so they can be expelled from the body. And what they found
01:14:38is that with the, you know, the additional blood flow in the area, it did start to have a healing
01:14:45process. You know, so to answer your question, yes, we've used it on our horses. However, like
01:14:51any therapeutic product, whether it's shockwave or an actual injectable or some kind of medication
01:14:59or supplement, you have to play within the rules. And if the rules say for that racing jurisdiction
01:15:04that outside of this window before a horse performs on the racetrack, whether it's a breeze
01:15:09or a race, it is not acceptable, then that's what you have to, you know, do. Now you can say, well,
01:15:17you know, was it extenuating circumstances where they were using the, you know, the machine and
01:15:23because of, you know, bad inclement, you know, weather coming up, they moved the horses breeze
01:15:28up and maybe it got, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is as to why it was done. All I
01:15:33know is that if the racing jurisdiction tells you that you can't do it 72 hours to performance,
01:15:38then you can't do it 72 hours to performance. And that's why, you know, there was a fine and
01:15:44subsequent penalties, you know, accordingly. What it shows me though, is yet another California
01:15:52trainer that is, you know, embroiled in an issue and, you know, whether it's through bad management
01:15:58or absentee management or just a bad decision. I don't, again, we don't know what the answer is,
01:16:04but it's yet another California trainer that's embroiled in another issue.
01:16:09Yeah. And, you know, that's kind of one of the themes of the year that we've seen a lot of
01:16:15California top trainers having either drug violations or something like this, you know,
01:16:20but I appreciate John's insight because I'm not a doctor. I don't know. Like it sounds bad.
01:16:26Shockwave therapy sounds like very, you know, I don't know. It just sounds like you're doing
01:16:31something to a horse to get it on the track that maybe it should not be on the track,
01:16:35but it sounds like that's not the case. And it's something that's a little bit more,
01:16:39you know, commonplace. And this is just something that where the, the, the window
01:16:43before the breeze was, was violated. So, so thanks to John for that insight, but yeah,
01:16:48California racing is, is, has gotten a lot of its top guys in the news recently,
01:16:53kind of for reasons you don't want to be, obviously I don't think this is in particular
01:16:57is that big of a deal. But that, you know, that's going to come from, you know, we talked about this
01:17:01last week, California and the CHRB becoming more stringent about these types of things, you know,
01:17:07and changing the way business has been done in California for a really long time. So while there
01:17:12are some, maybe some, you know, short-term negative headlines for California, having so
01:17:16many top trainers be on the wrong side of the law in this case, I think overall, it's a good thing.
01:17:22And they are trying to do the best they can to protect the horses, you know, which,
01:17:26which hasn't always been the case in America in general, and I'm not just singling out California.
01:17:31So yeah, we'll, we'll keep an eye on, on hopefully the rest of these guys, you know, they take heed
01:17:37from this decision and from this penalty and then, you know, everybody make sure to do everything
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