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00:00If you go 5-0, you're gonna make the playoffs.
00:02You think so?
00:03Yes!
00:04Of course!
00:05But you're telling me then Seattle's gonna drop to you.
00:07They are!
00:08Come on, dude.
00:09Well, it could be one this weekend.
00:10I mean, hey, Evan, if I asked you, 49ers control their own destiny, what would you say?
00:17How?
00:18They could win five games.
00:19That's a no.
00:20Like, if they win five games, the odds of them not winning the division, I'll bet, are
00:2410%.
00:25Kinda doesn't work that way.
00:28What do you mean?
00:29They need help.
00:30That's all.
00:31They'll get help.
00:32You know how many games they've won consecutively this season?
00:34Oh, man, they put together a two-game winning streak earlier this year.
00:37I know the answer.
00:38I'm gonna see if Stiney can figure it out.
00:40Two.
00:41Yeah.
00:42Three?
00:43So why would they win five?
00:44Wait, they haven't won three in a row yet?
00:48No Mason.
00:49We don't know.
00:50He's a backup.
00:53Kyle said some things yesterday.
00:54I know we got the sound about the possible availability of one Nick Bosa.
00:59Okay.
01:00Let me play it.
01:04On Bosa's future availability.
01:06What is going on with Bosa?
01:07I mean, I'm not God, but I think he's got a chance to play this week.
01:12So I would think that would lead to getting a better chance each week.
01:15But I don't know the answer to that.
01:18Kyle, we know you're not God.
01:20I thought you picked a good piece of sound.
01:22Dude, wow, Kyle.
01:24I'm not God.
01:25I mean, I'm not God, but I think he's got a chance to play this week.
01:28So I would think that would lead to getting a better chance each week.
01:32But I don't know the answer to that.
01:34My man brought religion into it.
01:36Oh boy.
01:37There is a clip up there, Stiney, about he explains why he answers the way to the media
01:42the way he does.
01:44How about this in your face?
01:46Give it to him.
01:47According to the New York Times, and you can take them to the bank, the Niners have an
01:5380% chance of making the playoffs if they win all five.
01:59That's as good as gold.
02:00There's nothing 80% in this world.
02:03I want the New York Times to reveal their sources.
02:06I'm like, wow, where did you get that from?
02:09So it means that they're not guaranteed to make the playoffs if they win five in a row,
02:13which is what you just said.
02:15Hey, Evan, where's the other 20%?
02:1722%, I think.
02:19There's two things.
02:20One's called the spirit of the law.
02:23One's called the letter of the law.
02:24And I operate with the spirit of the law.
02:27And what I'm saying is, yeah, you're going to win all five games.
02:30Oh, and Seattle's going to run the, hit the pike.
02:33Well, Seattle has to go four and one.
02:37Exactly.
02:38Well, no, that would.
02:39Three and two.
02:40Just take that out.
02:41They have a better conference record.
02:42Yeah.
02:43Not by the time the 49ers win two games on the conference.
02:48Man.
02:50Stop being so negative, guys.
02:51No, we're not.
02:53Hope is not a strategy, Stiney.
02:55Boy, that hit me.
02:56You know, that's been around for like a hundred years.
02:59Whatever.
03:00It wasn't where I was at.
03:01That just changed a lot, man.
03:04All right.
03:07This is some good sound from, how about the vibes?
03:10Where are we right now with the vibes of the San Francisco 49ers?
03:14We don't want to go off vibes as much.
03:15I mean, you know, we were pretty disappointed after that game and stuff.
03:19That takes time.
03:21But you don't need much more than 48 hours.
03:23We're in here on Wednesday.
03:24Guys are ready to go to work.
03:25I mean, I think when you compare outside the building, inside the building, I mean, we're
03:29a football team that goes to work and tries to get better each day we're here.
03:33If you spend your day outside the building just reading and stuff, I'm sure your vibes
03:36won't be the same.
03:38But our vibes here are all about work and that's what we enjoy doing.
03:42He's just not giving you anything, is he?
03:45I love the dude through the radio, man.
03:48God bless him.
03:49And he knows what's out there.
03:51You know what I mean?
03:52What else do you want to hear from Shanahan?
03:53Because we haven't gotten into any of this yet.
03:54He gave a reason why he answers the questions from the media the way he does.
03:58I don't know if that's on me.
03:59Well, how would you characterize the way he, let's do that.
04:02He's agitated.
04:03Or is his stick like big Bill Belichick?
04:05I don't think he's being his true self.
04:07The dude loves rap music.
04:09He's hip.
04:10Had Rick Ross at the party.
04:11You remember they had the little thing before the season kicked off?
04:14Yeah, remember they all went to the party instead of worrying about Ricky Pearsall?
04:20Maybe that fractured the team, perhaps.
04:26I wouldn't describe Kyle Shanahan as agitated at the podium.
04:29Well, why would you use that?
04:34I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong.
04:37He doesn't treat them like dummies like some coaches do.
04:40He's agitated.
04:42I don't think he hates doing it, but all right, let's go to that side.
04:46Kyle, why do you answer the questions like you answer?
04:49I don't know.
04:50This is how I am.
04:51I don't, I answer questions.
04:52I'm not a good, I don't make stuff up, so I try to answer you guys' questions, especially
04:57if it's not a stupid question.
05:00Sometimes I struggle with ones that I don't understand.
05:03Forgive me if I think they're stupid.
05:04They might not be.
05:05I just don't understand them all, but that's how I do press conferences.
05:09I answer the questions.
05:11So I always try to do that without hurting our own team.
05:15That's really about as simple as I keep it, but no, I don't take losing well, but I'm
05:20not showing you guys how I deal with my life in these eight great minutes.
05:25I'm loving Amore, Evan.
05:28Invite him to the ship, man.
05:30You know what that is?
05:31I'm liking Amore.
05:32You know what that is?
05:33That's a guy with job security.
05:36Not going anywhere.
05:37Well, he's earned it.
05:39Let's be real.
05:40He also knows he's getting another job if something happens.
05:43That's probably true.
05:45Let's go out to Charlotte, North Carolina.
05:48Talk to Caleb.
05:49Hey, Caleb.
05:50How you doing?
05:51I'm doing good.
05:52How about yourself?
05:53Doing well.
05:54All right.
05:55Thank you for having me on.
05:56I want to talk a little bit about the Niners coordinators real quick.
06:01All right.
06:02I know that's kind of been a topic recently, so I just saw earlier today that UCLA is letting
06:09go of Eric Bienveni, the offensive coordinator, and there's been talk about the defense potentially
06:15with Bill Belichick.
06:16Thanks, Ryan.
06:17I want to know where you guys stand on the coordinator position.
06:20Go.
06:21Where do you stand on the coordinator position?
06:23You said this last week, and I didn't tell you, but it resonated.
06:26Oh, thank you.
06:28He's too prideful, and he's come too far, Kyle, that is, to relinquish those duties.
06:33I think that's his baby, calling the offense.
06:40I feel like Kyle would say, fire me or relieve me of my duties as head coach if you're going
06:45to take away my play-calling duties because what it will insinuate or look like.
06:51Now, defensively, I do have questions as how Nick Sorensen and Niner fans can question.
06:58We don't have the horses up front, manufacture pressure, because that's all you can do when
07:02you ain't getting home.
07:03And I don't think on Sundays we see that button pressed, but I could see a possible change.
07:10But then the reason I don't see a change, Donnie, is it would signal that Kyle's got
07:15the defensive coordinator position wrong two years in a row.
07:22You asked.
07:25Yeah, I'm kind of with you.
07:29I mean, the only thing, what if Jed York went up, I don't even think he can do it.
07:36If Jed York said, Kyle, let's get you an offensive Brandon Staley in here.
07:41Well, that's your boss talking, man.
07:43I know.
07:45But then maybe you say, why don't you just fire me?
07:47And then Jed says, because we're not, go ahead.
07:50He's had one in the past.
07:52His name is Mike McDaniel.
07:53I think what the caller might be asking is, like, Andy Reid calls plays.
07:59Eric Bien-Ami was his offensive coordinator.
08:01Just because you're the OC doesn't mean you call plays.
08:06What do you do then?
08:07Well, I think what the caller is asking is, does there need to be another set of eyes
08:11in the room or hands?
08:14I wouldn't be against that, but when we talk about Nick Sirianni, for example, he's not
08:20an offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator.
08:23Walk-around coach.
08:24Right?
08:25And then we got Kyle Shanahan, who calls his own plays.
08:30I mean, if calling plays is your so-called best attribute, can you ask a guy to not call
08:40plays if that's what he hangs his hat on and what has made him successful?
08:45If I were him, I would, hell no, Stony.
08:48But I don't think that's what he's asking.
08:50He's not, he might be.
08:52I don't think it's unfair.
08:53He was asking, what does the offensive coordinator do, Evan, that doesn't call plays?
08:57Well, Sean McVay has had coordinators.
09:00Kevin O'Connell was Sean McVay's offensive coordinator.
09:04He didn't call plays when he was the OC for the Rams.
09:06So he wouldn't catch heat for me, O'Connell, if the Rams offense wasn't clicking.
09:12Zach Taylor was an OC for the Rams.
09:15These are all players that now call plays for their respective teams, but when they
09:17were under Sean McVay, they didn't call plays.
09:20My question would be if, and I'm not being smart, remember Gary Radnich used to always
09:26say that.
09:27I'm not being smart here.
09:28So if you're an offensive coordinator under a guy like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay, and
09:32you don't call plays, you're just overseeing the plays that are called and trying to refine
09:40them?
09:41You're there to help the game plan.
09:42You're there to add an extra brain to the operation, which a lot of people have hypothesized
09:48that's what Shanahan's been missing ever since Mike McDaniel left.
09:52So in other words, would the offensive coordinator, he would just suggest things to Kyle and then
10:01Kyle would either have to accept them or reject them?
10:05Well, Kyle still calls the plays during the game, but again, it is like a staley.
10:10Someone that helps during the week construct the game plan.
10:13If you're mad about Kyle not using two running backs or not using this guy enough or that
10:18guy enough, this is an extra brain that can come in and say, this person needs to be
10:22used in a certain way.
10:24And then during the game, Shanahan calls those plays.
10:27Good.
10:28Does it feel like in addition to doing a great job of explaining to us some nuances of football
10:35that I haven't seems a little agitated by having to inform us about the nuances of,
10:41of, you know, and we didn't get the answer.
10:45No, we got it.
10:46No, no, we got it.
10:47I get it.
10:48I get it.
10:49I'm just trying to introduce you to some, the gray space.
10:50No, we love you.
10:51No, but my point is, he's right.
10:52Those guys are not going to be the fall guy.
10:53It's still to me, tell me if I'm wrong, it's if, if you got those guys under you, that's
11:03still a little ego of, I got the final say, and if the offense is not putting out, you
11:09know, production, it's still going to fall on you.
11:13Not the group.
11:14Right.
11:15And I don't have a problem with that.
11:16What I'm hearing is if they would have an offensive coordinator, the 49ers that didn't
11:22call plays, this is when he would be busy right now, the week leading up to it.
11:29And he and Kyle Shanahan are talking about, Hey, uh, is there any way we can get Mason
11:34in there?
11:35I know he can't now, but Mason in there with McCaffrey or, or maybe design a few more plays
11:40for George Kittle.
11:42I don't think Kyle's the type of guy that wants that.
11:44And that's why it hasn't happened.
11:46Evan said he had a back the early on, I forget the name you said, uh, who was doing it for
11:51Kyle, Mike McDaniel, who is considered a pretty good offensive mind.
11:56Yeah.
11:57You know what?
11:58I got to tell you, I are also losing Bobby Slowick.
12:02Okay.
12:03Like if he's done it before, he's got to be open to doing it again, right?
12:07And well, so I guess I was talking about strip them of it and just have a whole nother actual
12:13offensive coordinator.
12:15I will.
12:16You know what I mean?
12:17No, no, no.
12:18That's what I thought too.
12:19And I was like, Sirianni a walk around coach, right?
12:21I mean, the way I understand it now, I don't, I don't think that's a bad idea at all, but
12:27Kyle's got to believe in those guys like he did in McDaniel.
12:30Exactly.
12:31There's got to be somebody out there who could help.
12:33If Kyle's listening like guys, I don't need that.
12:35That's why I haven't replaced McDaniel.
12:39And that's why the caller was saying if, if a BNME is available, would Kyle look at
12:46him and deem him worthy of having that job?
12:48Yeah.
12:49I don't, I don't, I don't dislike the idea at all.
12:52I just hate the team doesn't throw the ball deep.
12:54And I know that.
12:55Well, I can't.
12:56Did you listen to Ted when?
12:57Did you hear what Ted said?
13:00Yeah, I did.
13:01That Brock Purdy isn't a hundred percent and he does, he's not throwing with the zip on
13:08his ball.
13:09How come he just can't acknowledge that they don't have the personnel to throw deep?
13:19I will not say Debo now.
13:21That just crazy.
13:22So you finally came around that Debo's not it.
13:26No, he's it.
13:29Now you got to get, you got to do tricks.
13:32You know, it's like the spray paint when you're balding and the guys try to trick the Carlos
13:35Boozer or LeBron, but Jalen Rose, well, he's got the hair.
13:40He just, you know, who am I thinking of?
13:43Uh, you are.
13:45So we're good.
13:46But bottom line is study.
13:48You got to find a way to get them to rock, man.
13:50And he's a kickoff returner.
13:53I mean, oh, Debo, I thought you meant Kittle.
13:57Okay.
13:58Okay.
13:59Caleb Williams.
14:00You like him?
14:01Uh, I don't think he's having the greatest year and, you know, him being able to do the
14:07backyard boogie and run around on Saturdays, didn't he?
14:11Didn't help him on Sundays, but he's a tough SOB and he's not bad, bad.
14:14I think in a, in a better scenario where he get protection, we'd be able to evaluate them
14:19better.
14:20But, uh, I won't rob him of, um, two or three years now, maybe being the man let's listen
14:26to Kyle Shanahan.
14:27I'll bet.
14:28I haven't heard it.
14:29He's going to praise the hell out of Caleb Williams.
14:31As talented as there is, I mean, just the stuff that you saw in college, you can see
14:35in the NFL.
14:36I mean, as good of a thrower as there is born to play the position, um, got the athletic
14:39ability to do whatever.
14:40He's got the speed to do whatever.
14:42Um, you know, he's gotten a lot of play in time.
14:44He's getting better as this year goes.
14:46I think he's getting a lot more consistent.
14:47I think it's been playing his ball, best ball probably here the last few weeks.
14:50Uh, he's put him in a chance to win here in these last few games.
14:54I believe he believes that.
14:55Is he better than Brock?
14:58Well, we would have to do the, you put him in this system.
15:01Let's do it.
15:03He's got more arm talent than Brock.
15:04Oh, well, then you would take him.
15:07Philmo Michael on line one, but yeah, he's got more arm talent than Brock.
15:10Uh, I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
15:14I don't want the season to end.
15:16I really don't.
15:17Cause we all love football.
15:18Five more weeks, hopefully more.
15:20But the bottom line is what's going to happen with Purdy is I can't wait to see how that
15:24plays out.
15:25You just make them play on what it is now.
15:28Do they come to some, uh, agreement, but man, Stony, I, I was the guy that said coming into
15:33this season before kickoff against the Jets.
15:34You don't have to reference your mistakes constantly.
15:35It's not a mistake yet.
15:36That was a big mistake.
15:37He's not getting 60.
15:38He's not.
15:39I told you that seven months ago.
15:42Nobody, nobody listened.
15:44Mike Florio on, uh, Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan and Purdy and what Purdy's contract
15:51may mean to Shanahan's future.
15:53And this will be, I think, instructive on what Jed York really thinks long-term about
15:57Kyle Shanahan.
15:58Cause if there's any thought that, you know, we're playing wait and see with what Shanahan
16:02does over the next couple of years, that's a reason to not make a massive investment
16:07in Brock Purdy because you could have a new coach who can say, I don't really like Brock
16:10Purdy.
16:12So what Florio said, and we'll get into some of the other stuff that he said in a minute,
16:15is that if the 49ers don't sign Purdy to a contract extension, it means that they're
16:24not sold on Kyle Shanahan for the next two or three years.
16:28Like that's what I heard him say.
16:29Wow.
16:30I mean, I don't get that.
16:31Like you already know what you got in Kyle.
16:34He's proven it.
16:35I guess just what, I don't know.
16:36Did you hear the same thing?
16:38I heard it, but I don't agree with it.
16:41You know what I mean?
16:42No, that's fine.
16:43You already know what Kyle is, and he's a top three coach in the NFL.
16:48More Mike Florio, and this is what we want to get into.
16:51Is this, all right, is this fascinating to you or pie in the sky?
16:58We don't know what's lurking behind the scenes, and we don't know how Jed York would respond
17:02if somebody were to call him up and say, what would you want for the ability to try to negotiate
17:08a contract with Kyle Shanahan for him to become our new head coach?
17:12And whether it's Shanahan, whether it's John Harbaugh, because there are times where it
17:17feels like the Ravens and Harbaugh could benefit from a fresh start, whether it's Mike McDaniel,
17:21because maybe the Dolphins regret giving him an extension, whoever it is, I think the Bears
17:26need to be thinking about current proven head coaches who might love the opportunity to
17:31work with Caleb Williams.
17:32So that's how that all came up.
17:33It actually came up earlier in the day.
17:34Devin McCourty and I were coming up with candidates for the job, and that's when it hit me, hey,
17:39wait, whoa, whoa.
17:40There's a whole universe of candidates we're not paying attention to, and that current
17:43head coach.
17:44Wow.
17:45Now, you know, we always talk about what Purdy's worth money-wise.
17:50How many picks is Kyle Shanahan worth?
17:54I believe it would be one more pick had he won a cast in the Super Bowl.
17:59Or do you think teams look at him like, nah, I don't think he can get us there.
18:02That's just like winning it.
18:04I don't think...
18:05Is there a demerit on Kyle because he's been to two and didn't get it done?
18:09Or is it like, nah, you've shown you can build a program and get to four straight NSC championship
18:14games and two Super Bowls.
18:16Come on.
18:17We'll give you three first.
18:18I don't believe that front offices around the league, or a big percentage of them, think,
18:27you know what?
18:28He's a great coach, but he'll never win the big one.
18:30Well, Andy wouldn't have got hired in Kansas City, right?
18:34I think of all the things that we say and just kind of spout, the one thing I do believe
18:40is if Kyle Shanahan were available, he would be hired immediately by somebody.
18:46I still believe that.
18:47Do you?
18:48Yeah, I do.
18:49I do, too.
18:50But I hate that in the sense that I always go to the relationships, Donny.
18:54When you break up in a relationship, who cares what the person you break up with goes and
19:00the success and the happiness they find, okay?
19:03That's why you were with them.
19:05But the fact of the matter is there was a reason you guys had to part ways and you focus
19:10on who you get as opposed to worrying about how many people will be lined up to get who
19:17you're leaving.
19:19I mean, I don't even entertain not having Kyle Shanahan as coach unless you know you
19:26can hire somebody that you want and you think is better.
19:30I don't think that's on the horizon.
19:31I don't either.
19:32I'm with you.
19:33I really do.
19:35That's one thing that's, to me, I go back and forth on all the time.
19:42It's clearly there's a percentage of 49er fans that they want Shanahan gone, okay?
19:50Is that 5% of the fans?
19:53Is it 25% of the fans?
19:56Is it more than that?
19:58Because honestly, if it's 5%, then we're talking about what Brian Sabian used to call
20:03the lunatic fringe.
20:04But if it's 30% of the fans, I do believe-
20:09I think it's there.
20:10I do believe-
20:11I think it's that, like that.
20:1230.
20:1325.
20:14See, to me, 25 or 30, I do believe fan noise when it comes to coaches matters.
20:23You know, I mean, a guy like Eberfloes was obviously one end of the spectrum, but clearly
20:29in Chicago, the fans were like, the noise got so loud, you had to do something.
20:34Especially after the Thanksgiving debacle, but let's just take Coach Kerr, who's won
20:39four chips.
20:41If you talked about how toxic it was on Twitter for him, you know what I mean?
20:48He couldn't escape it.
20:50Nobody wanted him removed, but there was a- you know, I don't want to say a section
20:54of the fan base, but fans that think Kerr- and he's won four chips, Donnie.
20:59Right, and I think- but I do think that's where there's some reality to it, and that's-
21:04like when people say they need to get rid of Steve Kerr, it's like, Steve Kerr's not
21:07going anywhere for two years.
21:09He's not.
21:11He's under contract until the end of next year, and I'd be shocked if he's not the coach
21:15until then.
21:17And the four titles are the biggest part of it.
21:19But Shanahan, while he's had incredible success, he hasn't won the big one, and that does stick
21:27in the craw of a lot of fans, and if the noise starts to get really, really loud, then that's
21:33something owners pay attention to.
21:35You can't cheat.
21:36I know we're up against it.
21:37There's five coaches that have been traded in the NFL on the other side, I'm gonna see
21:40if you can guess it.
21:41Oh, hold on.
21:42Oh, sweet.
21:43But you're gonna check.
21:44No, I'm not.
21:45You know what?
21:46We'll be looking at you.
21:47You know what?
21:49A guy like me who loves playing these kind of games, what fun would it be for me to look
21:54up the five and then act like I know?