In this episode of the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles, the duo breaks down the Patriots' win over the Jets, highlighting how Jerod Mayo and the coaching staff finally hit their stride. They discuss key offensive adjustments, including Drake Maye’s strong showing before his head injury, Jacoby Brissett’s reliability as the backup, and creative use of blockers to fuel the run game. They also cover Josh Uche’s trade, potential roster moves, and Maye's concussion update, along with their "3 Up, 3 Down" segment.
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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
00:10We have a win to talk about.
00:12That's right.
00:13The Patriots actually won.
00:14I would say credit for it for being there, but I won't do that because I was at the Saints
00:18game last year and that went horribly wrong.
00:21But before we get to the win and of course the trade of Joshua O'Shea with Gregg, got
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00:53All right, Gregg, before we get to the game, your thoughts about the response from this
00:57football team after all of the drama we saw, um, you know, after the Jacksonville Jaguars
01:04beat down in London, Joshua O'Shea was traded yesterday to Kansas city for a sixth round
01:10pick in 2026.
01:12Your thoughts on that deal?
01:14Yeah.
01:15I mean, look, you know, would you like to get more compensation?
01:19Sure.
01:20Would you like it this off season?
01:22Yes.
01:23It's not like the front office, which, you know, I assume it's the, you know, pro personnel
01:28department headed up by Patrick Stewart, who is out, you know, fielding these calls and
01:33trying to find deals and what have you.
01:35And so I understand there's probably a little bit of frustration on a couple of different
01:39fronts.
01:40Number one, the compensation, you know, what people need to understand.
01:44I mean, and we even heard bill Belichick saying something like they, they should have gotten
01:48more for, um, Joshua O'Shea.
01:51Okay.
01:52Okay.
01:54Um, since you got top dollar for, you know, uh, Logan Mankins and Shaq Mason and Stefan
02:00Gilmore along with all your other faith, uh, failed trades.
02:04But, uh, what people need to understand is this, uh, first of all, Joshua O'Shea, even
02:09here, we don't know what the chiefs are going to do with them, but you know, even when bill
02:15Belichick was here, Joshua was a part-time player.
02:19He was a situational pass rusher.
02:21He didn't really have much of a role in this year's team because guess what?
02:24They didn't lead very much, you know, which is sort of, uh, you know, when you use those
02:29situational pass rushers.
02:30And so, um, I would expect, I don't think anybody's viewing him as an every down player.
02:37So that limits the market.
02:40Um, you know, you also have to understand, uh, you know, the, really the alternative
02:46is do you keep the guy you're like, Oh, six round pick two years from now, we'll might
02:51as well keep them, which is what bill would do because bill would just be like, well,
02:55I want to win as many games as possible.
02:57I want to make Steve's defense look better than it is.
03:00Um, you know, what have you, and he probably would have kept the player, um, and got nothing
03:06because what people need to understand is if, when Uche leaves after the season, which
03:12is what he was going to do, um, I'm surprised he didn't leave this past off season.
03:16And I don't believe the reports.
03:17I know he signed back for one year and about 4 million.
03:20And I know there are reports about, he left a lot more money in a lot more years.
03:24Yeah, I I'll believe that when I see it.
03:26Um, he might be the first NFL player in history to do that.
03:29Um, the first time he, he gets to see free agency, but so Josh was going to leave after
03:36this year and in a normal year, he would get you a compensatory pick a year after.
03:42So in 2026, and as he, the way he plays his playing time, you're looking at the
03:48lowest level, like a six round pick.
03:50So basically they're getting the compensatory pick and, but if they let
03:56them go to the off season, they weren't going to get even a six round pick two
03:59years from now, because the Patriots are going to spend money this coming off season.
04:04So it's going to offset any, any free agents that leave like an Uche.
04:10So the Patriots got something when they wouldn't get anything after the season.
04:15The compensation is what it is.
04:17I think it's fair.
04:19You know, yeah, everybody move on.
04:23I agree with that.
04:23I mean, they turned down the Patriots turned down last year, a fifth round
04:27pick reportedly for Uche or Uche.
04:30He's a year older.
04:32He's playing, I think even less than he played last year.
04:35When you look at his statistics, he has, uh, you know, 20 and a half career stacks,
04:4011 and a half of those came in 2022.
04:43And most of those 11 and a half came in like a three to four game span.
04:48So he hasn't been highly productive for his role.
04:51It's not to say he won't be at Kansas city because different team, different
04:55situation, different talent around a defensive coordinator, but with this
04:59football team, he's not stopping the run.
05:02He's not going to play a ton.
05:04Uh, so it just made sense to move on.
05:06It's either you get nothing for him or you get a lottery ticket.
05:09I'll take the lottery ticket.
05:10No big deal.
05:11As far as the spending the money part.
05:14I know there are people out there going, yeah, but Greg, they don't spend money.
05:19Robert Kraft doesn't spend money.
05:21Well, Patriots did spend money this past off season.
05:25And if they spent the same amount of money this upcoming off season
05:28as they did last off season, they're getting nothing for Uche.
05:32On top of that, they got over, I think $130 million of cap space.
05:36And here's the thing they're going to have to spend that we've said it.
05:39You look at a three year window, you've got to spend, I think it's at least
05:4290% of that cap space that you have.
05:46They have to spend.
05:48They I'm not, we're not telling you they're going to spend all $132
05:51million, but they have to spend money.
05:55And with the level where Uche is, they would not get anything for him.
05:59Writing was on the wall and it was time to move on.
06:02Does this mean more snaps for Anthony Jennings?
06:04Greg?
06:05Yeah, I think, I think they're going to be basically spread it out between,
06:09you know, Jennings, maybe, you know, whites on the edge more.
06:12Oh, Sean Mathis is a guy who's gotten elevated in recent weeks.
06:15He's got really good size.
06:17He's a guy said, you know, when he got, uh, promoted or we're talking
06:21about him getting promoted, like, I mean, he looks like a football player.
06:25Like, you know, he's like six, five, 260 pounds.
06:28You know, big sort of dude.
06:30One thing I wanted to ask you, Nick, as sort of the resident Patriots fan here
06:34and good job supporting your team on Sunday on a glorious Sunday, um, I
06:40wanted to ask you about this because I, I know personally, I, I chuckle about
06:44this, but some of the response that I've seen from this trade have been from
06:50disgruntled Patriots fans about the Patriots helping that team, the chiefs
06:56possibly, uh, possibly to, uh, one up the, the Patriots in terms of a three
07:03Pete, um, you know, of course the undefeated season is also out there.
07:08Um, and, uh, what was the other thing about that?
07:13Um, helping the chiefs, but anyways, I just find it, I just find it comical.
07:19And the other thing I was going to mention was, I mean, I know you'll, you
07:23probably won't like it and Patriots fans, but just me as, you know, I don't have,
07:27I don't have anything in the spire, but it would just, I would definitely
07:32chuckle if it was Josh Uche in the Superbowl with the game clenching
07:37sack to give Kansas city a three Pete.
07:40And can you, I mean, I don't think it would be a huge, I would say half of
07:44new England would be throwing things after that, but I don't know.
07:47I just wanted your thoughts on that.
07:48Yeah.
07:49Joshua Uche is not going to be the difference between the chiefs
07:52winning a Superbowl, not winning a Superbowl.
07:54Even if he made that game winning Superbowl winning play at the end of the
07:58game, uh, you still have to look at all the other plays before that played was
08:04made and you have to also understand that they have Patrick Mahomes.
08:07So, uh, they, they have a great chance of winning with or without Uche.
08:12I'd also say that Kansas city, if you're going to sit there and say,
08:16oh, they needed help offensively is where they haven't played great.
08:20They've been really good defensively.
08:22Mahomes has the most interceptions in the league.
08:25Uh, you know, they're not ripping off yardage, you know, constantly.
08:29So, uh, the bigger issue has been offense for them.
08:32So I don't think that Uche things that big of a deal and Hey, look,
08:35compass comp, and I don't think, you know, if they had the opportunity,
08:39if the Patriots had the opportunity to trade Uche away to somebody else for
08:44the same exact compensation, they would do it, I would imagine, because
08:49not only is it helping Kansas city, quote unquote, but also Kansas city
08:54is likely going to be at the very bottom of the sixth round in 2026.
08:58So I don't think, uh, that came into play.
09:02You look at what's on the table and I have to imagine, uh, the deal was a deal.
09:06They wanted to move forward and, uh, maybe they have other deals to do.
09:09So get that part of the business done, which brings me to a little
09:13bit of the name game, Greg, I'm going to give you some names.
09:16And, uh, you tell me if the guy could go at the deadline or
09:20you think he stays at the deadline.
09:22Uh, let's start with Jonathan Jones.
09:23Does he stay or does he go?
09:27I think he stays.
09:28I think they need him as a leader in the secondary for that
09:32group on this team in general.
09:34I mean, they keep losing, uh, leaders with tenure around
09:38here, uh, seemingly every week.
09:40So I think there's a few key guys that they need to keep, to keep a
09:45semblance of a program going with what nine games now left.
09:51Yeah.
09:52Uh, Devon gotcha.
09:53Is he one of those guys that they have to keep, to keep the program going?
09:57I think so.
09:58I mean, I would definitely listen.
10:00That would be a case where I need, I need to be swayed by the
10:03compensation, um, you know, simply for the fact of, of, uh, you know,
10:09they, we all know they don't have anything on the defensive interior.
10:12And if you didn't think they could stop the run, um, before this, then
10:17try dealing God shall and good luck stopping anybody they'll be
10:20giving up 300 yards a game.
10:22People are probably screaming wide receiver, wide wide receiver at us.
10:26Um, Kendrick born.
10:30Uh, he, I, I, I think he could go.
10:33I think Nick personally, I, I like Kendrick.
10:36I like his energy.
10:38I like all that stuff.
10:40Um, I do think he's extremely overrated.
10:44I think that, um, he's, he, he has the tools, he's coming back from injury,
10:48but, you know, in terms of him knowing the offense and where he's supposed to
10:53be, like it, that stuff it's, you know, back when the former coaching staff was
10:58here and like, you know, when Kendrick first got here, I mean, they basically
11:02had to hold his hand all week to get him to perform on Sundays.
11:05And as we've seen since that coaching staff departed, that has not happened.
11:09And I just think it, look, if, if somebody wants to give you something
11:12for Kendrick born, that's decent.
11:14I would definitely listen.
11:16I'm keeping Kendrick born twofold.
11:17Number one, I need somebody in that wide receiver room to act like an adult and
11:22born seems like the only dude who's capable of doing that week in and week out.
11:26Number two, Drake may needs all the help that he can get.
11:29So even if born's not a top receiver and he runs the wrong routes every once in a
11:34while, may still needs help.
11:36He still needs somebody who can be hopefully dependable for
11:39him the rest of this year.
11:41So I'm not trading, uh, Kendrick born, but I would trade KJ Osborne.
11:45Would you, Greg?
11:47Yeah, no question.
11:48Anybody else on your list that you're looking at?
11:52So this is going to be an interesting name and it's probably going to be
11:55blasphemous and look, I don't want to trade the guy cause I do think he's
11:58really good and I don't think they're going to trade the guy because there's
12:01a lot of, uh, disclaimers and caveats here.
12:05Yeah.
12:05And Gerard Mayo has said, I think he's one of the best players in the league
12:09and I don't disagree with him, but.
12:12And in a vacuum, I would do it.
12:14Uh, but you know, it's remandering Stevenson and, um, now I don't think
12:20it's going to happen, you know, because, because Gerard Mayo has said what he
12:25said and also nobody's giving up anything for a back, I mean, you know,
12:29if Dallas came calling Dallas who can't get anybody to run the ball, if they
12:34came calling for like a third or a fourth, I would probably do it.
12:37Here's my reasoning.
12:39Okay.
12:40Um, and again, this is if the Patriots had like a real program with a head
12:44coach, with a vision that this is what we're going to be on offense going forward.
12:49Um, I just don't think they know that, but for argument's sake, let's say
12:55Gerard Mayo was committed to Alex van Pelt and they were going to be, they
13:00were going to get back to being a wide zone team in the off season.
13:03They were going to get the offensive lineman to do it, whatever they needed.
13:07They were going to do that.
13:07They were going to go back to what they wanted to do, which I don't
13:10know if that's going to happen.
13:11And I certainly don't know.
13:13I don't think Gerard has that vision yet.
13:15I mean, he could fire Gerard Mayo.
13:17I mean, Alex van Pelt by the end of the season for all I know, but my argument
13:21is this, if they're committed to the wide zone scheme, remandering Stevenson
13:25is not a good fit for it.
13:27Um, you know, the, in the wide zone and we've seen them, he doesn't like it.
13:32Remember early on, I think it was the Bengals game.
13:34He basically said like, stop calling wide zone.
13:36Let's just run power.
13:37He is a downhill power running back.
13:41And in the zone blocking scheme, you need vision and you need one cutability
13:48and get up the field really quick.
13:49That's not remandering Stevenson.
13:51He S he struggles with that.
13:52So if the Patriots were dead set on being a wide zone team for the rest of
13:57the season and going forward, I would, I would be interested in trading
14:02remandering Stevenson because I just don't think he's a good fit for that.
14:05Totally against it in the name of Drake.
14:07May I'll say it again.
14:09If you're trading remandering Stevenson in the name of the father, if you're,
14:14if you're trading Mandre and you're trading Kendrick Bourne, you're giving
14:18Drake may the poo poo platter the rest of the year, uh, at running back.
14:23I like Antonio Gibson, but he's, he's not a full-time back in my estimation.
14:28Hastie's fine, but I don't want to leave him so thin with players around him.
14:33The next 10 weeks where it impacts his play.
14:36I want to keep him surrounded with as much talent as you can, even
14:41if it's not a ton of talent.
14:42So I'm not messing with those pieces.
14:44KJ Osborne.
14:45Fine.
14:45See you later.
14:46Taekwon Thorne, whatever for a bag of chips.
14:49Um, but I'm keeping born.
14:50I'm keeping Stevenson.
14:51Speaking of may Greg, uh, if you haven't heard, he got concussed
14:54on Sunday breaking news.
14:57Uh, just your thoughts on the play.
15:00I saw you last night talk about this on a BST with, with Mike and Mike.
15:06And, uh, I tend to agree with you as far as what may did on that play, he was
15:12stumbling and I think if, if he had his feet under him, because we saw it happen
15:17earlier, you know, when he slid nice and early gut down, nobody was there.
15:22Um, I think that was just a, a bad scenario that unfolded where he was
15:27kind of stumbling with his momentum forward, couldn't quite slide just yet.
15:32And it was a bang, bang kind of thing.
15:35Just your thoughts on the play itself.
15:37Yeah, I, I, you know, I totally agree.
15:39I just thought it was at the end of the day, it was an unfortunate play and it
15:43was an unlucky play and it was a football play.
15:45I mean, you know, Drake makes a great play, um, you know, to get out of the
15:50pocket, pick up the first down, he breaks a tackle, uh, which we've seen him do a
15:54few times and that got him stumbling.
15:56And by the time he got his balance and his bearings, he's like, oh, I need to
16:00slide, it was too late, the guy was committed to the tackle, you don't like
16:05to see him get hit in the head.
16:07I mean, I do think if I read the rule, correct, I think they got rid of the
16:10provision about like, you know, if you're a runner cause then you can get
16:15blasted in the helmet, I don't, basically the rules against, um, intentional
16:20forcible, um, helmet to helmet contact.
16:24I don't think that's what it was.
16:25I think the guy was committed to, you know, Drake, I think he was trying to
16:30hit Drake in the midsection, like if he kept running like right in the ribs, but
16:34then may slit at the last second.
16:36And it turns out it was helmet to helmet.
16:38Um, again, I just think it was, it was just an unfortunate play.
16:42I mean, if, if I, if I were the coaches and I was talking to Dre, uh, to, to, to
16:47may, I would just tell him like, look, if you're stumbling like that, once you
16:51pick up the first down, just give yourself up and go down face first.
16:55Um, and then nothing can happen, but that's tough to tell a player like that.
17:00And trust me, not that I think that Drake's going to get concussed a lot,
17:04but when you deal with these athletic quarterbacks, there's going to be a lot
17:09of discussions about like, you know, is he protecting himself?
17:12What he should do differently.
17:13And, you know, these guys, you see it with Josh Allen, you saw it with
17:16Rogers early in his career.
17:18Um, you know, Lamar Jackson, what have you, you know, these guys are just
17:23athletes and they're playmakers and they never want to give up on a play.
17:26And you just hope they, they mature a little bit and grow out of it a little
17:30bit, but you know, he's a young buck.
17:32This is what they're going to do.
17:33Throw the flag, throw the flag, throw it high up in the air, throw it, throw it
17:39at the player, if you want, throw it off the player's head, if you want
17:42to make an even bigger statement.
17:44Um, I thought it was obvious helmet to helmet.
17:48I thought that he was still going low, even if Drake may is on his feet.
17:53I think that hit is near his knee.
17:55I think he was too low.
17:56So I thought that would be below the waist anyway.
18:00Um, so I would have thrown the flag.
18:01I see a lot that I see a lot less that is penalized in the NFL, whether that's
18:06good or bad, but there's a lot less with these roughing the passer calls as far
18:10as Drake may, um, again, I think it was fine.
18:14I think he would have gotten down and it's really funky.
18:17People don't, I think people just watch baseball and
18:20they correlate it to football.
18:22Uh, not everybody is great at sliding.
18:25Uh, I thought may again, earlier, perfect slide, but I think if his
18:30momentum is going forward and you're like face plant, I don't know, man.
18:34You know, he could plant his head into the ground and get a concussion.
18:37He can mess up his neck, his shoulder.
18:39There's a lot of other things.
18:40I just thought it was an unfortunate thing that played out.
18:44If you're, if you're looking at the bright side of it though,
18:46it is that he got down.
18:47So even when he was stumbling and bumbling, he righted himself to
18:50eventually get down, it was just a bit late.
18:54All right.
18:54Before we get to the Patriots offensive performance against the jets.
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19:59Before we get to the Drake may performance before he went out
20:04and preset and all of that.
20:05Just your thoughts, Greg, on this football game and the general
20:08overall response from the team, that locker room after what Mayo said in
20:14London, so look, I could be in minority and I don't know how you feel about
20:20this, but, um, I didn't see a quote unquote response to, um, what may have
20:27said, I mean, you know, even if you judge it by Mayo's definition, when
20:32he said, you know, we're a softball team, a soft team across the board,
20:36you know, and he talked about being able to run the ball, uh, defend
20:40the run and cover kicks the Patriots running backs average 2.2 yards per carry.
20:48I mean, I did like how there were a lot of physical runs in there.
20:52Um, and I thought those were important, uh, body blows and a mentality.
20:57And I do think that was a little adjustment that we'll talk about.
20:59Um, you know, some of the differences I saw in this game, the Jets started the
21:03game with runs of eight, nine, and 16 yards, so not exactly gangbusters run
21:09defense and the, the just first punt return of the game went for 40 yards.
21:15So if we're looking for like an immediate response, I'm sorry, I didn't see it.
21:20That wasn't the difference in the game to me.
21:23I mean, I think there were two factors for me.
21:26Um, number one, and this was minimal in terms of the result and how things
21:32played out, but the Jets are, the Jets are pathetic.
21:36I mean, they, they, I mean, not only all the issues on their offense and the,
21:40you know, three timeouts in the first quarter and, you know, the interim
21:44coach, their defense doesn't look anything like it under Robert Sala.
21:49I mean, I think Woody Johnson made such a huge mistake firing Robert Sala.
21:55It's not even funny.
21:56Like they look like they have no clue on defense.
21:58They're not as aggressive as they were.
22:00They don't get out to the quarterback.
22:02They're not covering in the backend like they did.
22:04Um, so that's one thing, but that's, I don't even care about that.
22:08The bigger, the bigger thing, what I saw, Nick, and the reason why the
22:11Patriots were competitive for all four quarters, why they eventually won the
22:15game, I didn't even care if they won the game, I was ready to write the column
22:18with, you know, the they're driving down the field with a chance to
22:23take the lead late in the game.
22:25They had proven their point.
22:26Even if Ramondry Stevenson gets stuffed on the one yard line, which I'm still
22:31not sure how, how, how it didn't happen, Nick, because the $19 million man,
22:35Michael winning completely whiffs on his block and luckily, luckily they had
22:41called a play where Michael Jordan is pulling to go over to a whenu and
22:47Michael Jordan accidentally, because he's being asked to pull on that play.
22:51Gets in the way of the player that Michael winning was supposed to block.
22:55And even then, and city, so it was like the up back and even then, like
23:00there wasn't a whole lot of push.
23:01Like Michael Jordan was slipping city.
23:03So his pads were high.
23:04I, when you look at it, you're just like, how did they score?
23:08How did Stevenson get in?
23:09I just think it was Stevenson.
23:10Just.
23:11He would not go down and he kept powering through, but it be that as a man,
23:15my overall point, my overall takeaway, and it's no different than how I
23:18thought, thought after the game.
23:20And then after viewing the film, I feel the same way to me.
23:23This was about Gerard Mayo and the coaching staff, and I have been
23:27very critical of them, um, throughout.
23:30I will readily admit that I don't take any of it away.
23:33I think I was right.
23:35And I think this game proved, um, how, how right I was, because this was the
23:40first game since at least week two, if not week one, where I looked at a team
23:45that had direction that had a focus that had game plans on both sides of the ball,
23:52where the coaches said, all right, what do we have?
23:54What are we not?
23:55What do we not have?
23:57How do we win this game?
23:59And to me, it looked like a head coach in Gerard Mayo, who probably
24:04for the first time in weeks, rolled up his sleeves, got his hands dirty,
24:08told Alex van Pelt, we're going to do this, told DeMarcus Covington.
24:13Stop calling all this exotic crap where people are going up and back and this
24:18and that, when we can't even execute it, just keep it simple, go to man coverage,
24:24put more guys in the box, and that's what I saw.
24:28That was the difference in the game where I saw a team that where the coaches put
24:33the players in position to succeed in position to execute what was called and
24:39they outcoached the jets coaches.
24:41Now that's a low bar at this point where the jets are, but to me, Gerard Mayo
24:46and the coaching staff won this game.
24:48So kudos to them.
24:51So a couple of things, I'll give them a little bit more credit as far as
24:55their resiliency against the jets, maybe resiliency that we didn't see
24:58consistently earlier, especially the last few weeks, you know, you go into
25:03the game without Duggar late scratch, you put the pieces together, you got,
25:07you know, Jonathan Jones playing some safety.
25:09He only played 30 snaps.
25:10Dell Pettis played almost 40 snaps.
25:12Mapu's out there.
25:13Hawkins is out there.
25:14Did a good job.
25:15I also, you know, we, we, we look at the wide receivers and all the drops and
25:19they deserve all the criticism in the world, but I will give booty and Taekwon
25:22Thornton some credit that they came back in the fourth quarter, made some big
25:25catches and did not let that, you know, keep them down, so to speak the run
25:30defense, the way I look at it is there was really one possession by the jets
25:35where you saw a bad run defense, and that was the second possession
25:39for the jets in the first half.
25:41They, they go three and out.
25:42I think the first time around that second, that second, uh, series is
25:47where you saw, I think the runs that you talked about, I think they had 30 plus
25:51yards on three carries during that possession outside of that possession.
25:55Greg, I thought the run defense was actually pretty good.
25:58Uh, Rogers probably through the football too often.
26:01I thought the jets had opportunities to run on short yardage and they didn't,
26:04but you look in the second half, that run defense gave up only three
26:08runs of more than five yards.
26:11And where you're coming from before that game to give up only three runs of five
26:15or more yards in the second half, and they had three or four stuffs in the
26:19second half, I thought they got significantly better as the game went on.
26:23And I do give them credit.
26:24I thought Jennings played well to Vi played better.
26:27God child played better than he played against Jacksonville.
26:30Uh, so those are my thoughts as far as just kind of the big picture stuff.
26:34Drake may before the concussion.
26:36What'd you see?
26:37I thought it was great.
26:39Um, he graded out very high for me.
26:41Um, you know, in that sequence, I'm just looking through, um, the plays
26:47now, the first third down, um, the deep throat to the right to Keyshawn booty.
26:53Um, that was a minus decision for him.
26:55He should not have gone there.
26:57Let me ask you that.
26:58Cause I wanted to ask you about that play.
26:59I'm glad you brought it up to me when I was there live.
27:03And then when I watched it over again yesterday morning, that just felt
27:06predetermined that felt similar to like the Houston thing where I got man to man
27:10on the outside, I'm giving my guy a shot, but it seemed predetermined and I don't
27:15know, maybe, you know, one or two guys looked open underneath.
27:19Uh, so do you think that was just a predetermined shot by May?
27:22Yeah, I, I didn't understand why he did it.
27:25Uh, cause I'm just watching back on the film now.
27:28So it was, it was shotgun.
27:29They had trips to the left.
27:31Um, and they had booty was, uh, you know, X ISO on the right side, Stevenson.
27:37I think it's Stevenson was offset.
27:39Right.
27:39Um, and like before the snap, the jets, the numbers as a quarterback,
27:46it's not overly complicated.
27:47Football's not overly complicated as, and sometimes you'll get a, you'll get
27:51a defense that's going to trick you.
27:52That's going to show you numbers, but then they're going to change the numbers.
27:55The jets don't really do that.
27:56And without solid, they definitely don't do that.
27:59They had Patriots had three to the left.
28:01The Jets only had three defenders over there.
28:03So that's, that's a win for the Patriots on the right side.
28:06You had, you had booty and you had a safety over the top.
28:10So at the beginning, I mean, I think maybe may thought they were going to
28:14rotate, um, and just leave the cornerback over there, but they
28:20actually dropped into two shell.
28:22And so the Patriots had even better numbers to the left.
28:26And so like, I think it was, um, I'm just trying, I'm, I'm watching it right now.
28:32They had a couple of guys open.
28:33They, they, if he hung with it and he had great protection on the play, they
28:37had actually a really good route concept here where Kendrick Bourne is
28:42doing sort of a, uh, a corner route.
28:45Um, there's a low, I think it's, it's not booty, but I got, it's got to be
28:49pop Douglas comes on a low crosser.
28:51And then behind that Hunter Henry is going up and coming on an in and Hunter
28:56Henry, if all three of those guys were options on that play on the left side,
29:01but may for whatever reason thought that it was going to be, uh, it was going to
29:06be a really good matchup for him.
29:08And that was just, that was a poor decision.
29:09One of his, one of his few, I'm also looking at, um, I thought a
29:16scramble on the touchdown was great.
29:19Um, I thought his, uh, his throw to, uh, Taekwon Thornton was really good.
29:27I know there's, there's video out there.
29:29I think you retweeted it from some scout D I don't know.
29:33Whatever.
29:33You can't tell these Twitter accounts where the guy was like, I don't know.
29:37He made some sort of comment about, there aren't many more talented
29:40guys that can make this throw.
29:42I mean, first of all, enough with the hyperbole.
29:45Um, like there's a lot of guys in the league now that can make that throw.
29:50It was a good throw.
29:51Taekwon Thornton should have caught it.
29:53A great throw.
29:54A Josh Allen throw would have been a little bit closer to the
29:57sideline because Thor one of the reason Thornton dropped it is
30:01cause he had to slow up and the guy bumped into him as he was
30:04trying to catch the ball.
30:05Um, but that's still a plus throw.
30:07It was really good.
30:08His scramble for 18 yards was really good.
30:12Um, his throw over the middle of the caisson booty before he went out of the
30:17game on third and 12 was a great throw.
30:19Drake may look every game.
30:21He looks better.
30:22He looks more and more comfortable.
30:24I, if he would have stayed in the game, this probably would have been the game
30:28where he really broke out and everybody had their pants off, including, you
30:33know, Nick cattle's and in section three Oh five, um, Oh, it's a shame
30:39that that didn't happen, but this kid gets better.
30:41Every time he plays, I thought the throw to Thornton was great.
30:45I think you're being a little bit of a wet blanket on that.
30:47I don't know if there's a lot of guys in the league that can make that throw.
30:50Frankly, I just, I don't, I don't think there's a lot.
30:52I think a lot to stretch to say a lot of guys can make that throw
30:55on guys in this division.
30:58Off Rogers and Allen Rogers.
31:00Can't make that throw anymore.
31:01Yeah, he can.
31:02No, he can't.
31:03No, he did against the Patriots the first time.
31:05All right.
31:06So let's put it this way.
31:07Even if you give Rogers, even if you give Rogers that throw and yes,
31:10the anomaly in week three, I'm glad you pulled that and not the other
31:12performances from him where he can barely move out of the pocket, but I digress.
31:16Let let's, let's give Rogers that throw.
31:18Okay.
31:19Ooh, you really got him, Greg.
31:20That means he can make a throw that.
31:23Arguably a top two.
31:24I would say the second best quarterback in football right now.
31:27And Josh Allen can make in a hall of fame talent and Aaron Rogers,
31:31which even makes my point better.
31:34Not a lot of dudes can make that throw.
31:35If we're talking about top three quarterbacks in the league.
31:38Sure.
31:38If we're talking about future hall of famers, sure.
31:41I don't think there's a lot of those guys in football.
31:44I just, I don't think a lot of dudes can make that throw a Jacoby
31:47Brissett, his performance professional or what?
31:52Uh, hang on a second, since you're taking issue with this, let's go
31:55through the guys who can make Josh Allen, Aaron Rogers, Joe Burrow.
32:03Um, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence.
32:09Uh, Patrick, my homes, Justin Herbert, uh, Dak, I don't know.
32:15Uh, Jalen hurts.
32:16No.
32:17J Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams.
32:20I would say no on Jared golf, Jordan love.
32:23Yes.
32:24Uh, Baker, Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, Gino Smith, Brock
32:32Purdy, a lot of guys can make that throw.
32:35You're out of your mind.
32:36Um, Jacoby Brissett.
32:40I thought, I thought he was really good.
32:43He graded out really good for me.
32:44I mean, look, it wasn't perfect.
32:46Um, and I gave him, uh, the sack that he took on third down.
32:50I gave it to him.
32:52Um, I know a lot of people Nick took issue with the, the Alex Van Pelt call
32:57of the RPO that, that, um, that Jacoby fumbled for all that.
33:04Yeah.
33:04I mean, I I've heard people bring that up.
33:06I, I, first of all, you just, people have to keep in mind that it's not like
33:10Alex Van Pelt has a Jacoby Brissett playbook play card that it can just whip out.
33:15I mean, I'm sure he has plays that in there that Jacoby likes a little bit more,
33:19but largely they're, they're working off the Drake may, uh, game plan for this
33:25game, and I'm sure that play was in, we saw it, they ran it in the preseason.
33:30Um, maybe Jacoby hasn't repped it a whole lot cause it wasn't great.
33:34But also, you know, it was probably Antonio Gibson, like hanging onto it too
33:37long, but that, that play was, he was reading the end, they crashed down.
33:43Jacoby was going to pull it out.
33:44It was going to be him versus DJ Reed for a touchdown.
33:47And you got to think Jacoby were set at a 260 pounds.
33:50I mean, he better truck that guy and score a touchdown.
33:52I think he probably would have.
33:53So, you know, I liked that.
33:55I did, I will say I did not like what they did at the end of the first half.
33:59I don't know how you felt about it.
34:01Like they, they basically acted like Jacoby were set was Joe Milton or when
34:09Bailey's Zappy had to come in against the Packers when, you know, Mac Jones
34:13has got had gone out, Brian Hoyer's concussed, you know, Zappy has barely
34:17taken any snaps, they were like scared of Jacoby were set.
34:20This is the guy that started the season for you that started a, what was it?
34:25Four or five games that you said, give you, gave you the best chance to win
34:29starting the season, like stop playing chicken.
34:33I mean, in the end it worked out for them that they won the game, but I just thought
34:36I understand Gerard saying like, we just wanted to get back and regroup, but it's
34:42not like they're just, again, Joe, it's not like it's Joe Milton out there.
34:46It's Jacoby Bursette like play football.
34:48So, uh, but I thought Jacoby did really well.
34:51I thought he, uh, managed the game.
34:53Um, he did what he does.
34:55Um, you know, made some plays, uh, had some questionable plays and throws, but,
35:03um, I mean, for him to lead two scoring drives in the fourth quarter, I know the
35:07first one was kind of a layup after the Marcus Jones punt, but to drive the field
35:11on the jets, even in the state that they're in for 10 points and to win the
35:15game, I mean, give the guys flowers.
35:18Yeah.
35:18As far as the end of the half, I'll say at least they picked the lane.
35:21I didn't agree with the lane, but at least they picked the lane and played the
35:24clock and just said, okay, we're just going to go to halftime instead of doing
35:27the Fakata in the middle where you run and then you throw, and then, you know,
35:31you give the football back to the other team.
35:33So at least they picked the lane.
35:34It wasn't as egregious as the Seattle game or some others that we've seen,
35:38but I agree with you, a buck 51 on the clock, two timeouts, the jets have no
35:42timeouts, you get a veteran quarterback out there, uh, you know, you're one in
35:45six, I would've, I would've been more aggressive reset in the fourth quarter.
35:50Greg, you mentioned it.
35:52You know, he had four big time, third down conversions on those last two drives
35:57down 16, 14, third and 11 hits Henry for a 12 yard gain, a third and nine hits
36:03a Taekwon Thornton on the cross or good job by Thornton to break that tackle.
36:06He gets 14 yards for a first down.
36:09Uh, they end up scoring a field goal on that drive.
36:11And then you come back down 22 to 17, third and nine.
36:14He gets the scramble for 15 yards, big play there, move the chains.
36:18And then third and 10, uh, he hits, uh, he hits booty on that play.
36:22Of course, as he's getting hit on the blitz, uh, you know, you've got booty
36:26against sauce for the chunk play, uh, which really set up the game winning,
36:29uh, touchdown from Ramond Ray Stephenson.
36:31So for big time, third down conversions from Jacoby in that fourth quarter,
36:36uh, offensive line, Greg, how'd you grade them?
36:39Uh, good.
36:40I mean, I also wanted to point out that, um, you know, the fourth quarter, the
36:44Patriots converted four of six third downs, 116, 116, um, total yards.
36:50Jacoby completed nine passes for 90 yards.
36:54That's 10 yards per attempt.
36:56Um, you know, the booty play that was, that was interesting.
37:00You know, it, it ended up being a great play.
37:03Um, I do think we can, we can, um, credit our old friend, Jalen Mills,
37:08who the seemed like the Patriots picked on all day.
37:10I don't think they think very much of that guy from his, his stint here, but
37:14he was completely out of position.
37:16He should have been the safety over the top there.
37:18He never got into position after the snap.
37:21Uh, sauce was playing like he had inside help.
37:24He was supposed to have inside help.
37:26Yeah.
37:26Wasn't there.
37:27Um, I also think what worked to the Patriots advantage on that play was.
37:32You know, they brought up, they brought a safety from deep, uh, who Mills was
37:37replace on a blitz and he came in unblocked, you know, hit Jacoby as he
37:43threw, and I think that guy coming sort of sped Jacoby up where normally.
37:49He might've taken an extra beat and might've gotten sacked or
37:53might've thrown in the coverage.
37:54But I think that guy bearing down on him made him speed up.
37:57And so, uh, but that was a, I mean, it was a great catch by booty.
38:01I mean, he's great anticipation throw.
38:02Like you don't see that normally with Jacoby.
38:05He's normally a, see it, throw a guy, not, not anticipating, but when that
38:09ball's in the air, booty still running down the field and then
38:11he turns and the balls on him.
38:13I mean, that's, that's quarterbacking.
38:15That was really good.
38:16The offensive line, Nick, um, I thought was really good in this game.
38:22Um, the pressure rate that I had was just 28%, which is by far a season best.
38:27It's been getting better every week.
38:29Uh, basically since Drake may went in, some people will say
38:32that Drake's factoring into that.
38:35Could be, um, you know, I, I don't know.
38:38It's hard to judge.
38:39And, uh, the, the jets only blitz 20%.
38:42Uh, the stuff rate of 35, 38, uh, 36%, um, you know, was not great,
38:49but I thought the tackles, I thought.
38:52Uh, Demontre Jacobs only gave up two pressures, but area and low one
38:56pressure, Ben Brown to Michael Jordan, two and a half, um, you know, I thought
39:02they did, I thought they did a really good job in this game and hopefully
39:06they can get this group, you know, to play week after week after week together.
39:11Because I do think, I do think they're doing some things.
39:13So kudos to them.
39:15But Darian low unhealthy has been good.
39:18It's all I'll say.
39:19I mean, week one against Cincinnati on like one day of practice
39:22against Trey Hendrickson.
39:24He had some issues outside of that he's been good.
39:27And so, uh, it's funny, not a lot of bitching about the
39:31offensive line last couple of weeks.
39:32Funny how that works.
39:33Yep.
39:33Um, all right.
39:36Before we get to the defense, just your quick thoughts there.
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40:56Defensively, you talked about Covington earlier.
40:59Uh, the linebackers.
41:02Did they play better this time around?
41:06Yeah, I would say, you know, the, the, the defense as a whole played better.
41:10And I know, um, I think everybody knows who listens to this or listen
41:14to me on Felger mass after watching the defensive film against the Jaguars.
41:17Um, your boy was pretty frustrated and not happy with what was going on.
41:22I think, I think the Patriots at the end of the day were like a minus eight,
41:25which is unheard of on defense this, this week, they were a plus 14.
41:30Not a lot of mistakes.
41:32I thought, again, I credit to me.
41:35This looks like Gerard Mayo did go into the room, did get with Marcus
41:39Covington and told him what's up and said, look, last week was pathetic.
41:46We're asking these guys to do too much.
41:48Let's just simplify it.
41:49Keep it simple, stupid.
41:51Let's play a lot of man coverage, which the Patriots played man coverage
41:56about 47% of the time, which is way above their season average of about 35%.
42:02So they played a lot more man coverage.
42:04They said, you know, basically, you know, Devante Adams is, is great in reputation,
42:09but when you watch them on film, I mean, the dude is no defensive coordinators
42:14losing sleep over, um, uh, Devante Adams right now, um, you know,
42:20Marcus Jones gave up some plays against Garrett Wilson, but I mean, they
42:25took great throws and great catches.
42:28Marcus Jones was there all day.
42:30You just have to tip your cap.
42:31The quarterback could still be pretty accurate.
42:34The receivers pretty good.
42:36Um, but it just seemed like they simplified it.
42:39And we talked about it even after the last game, like, you know, make
42:42adjustments, like, you know, get guy, go play man coverage, then you can
42:47put more guys into the box and that, that helps.
42:50I do think that they read their run keys better and, uh, you know, you
42:53didn't see Marte Mapu, like, you know, being too cool for school where
42:57I'm going to fake this and do this.
42:58And then I'm going to be out of position.
43:00I'm not even going to be where I'm supposed to be.
43:01And I'm going to blow a coverage for like 50 yards.
43:04You know, you didn't see any of that this week.
43:06So it seemed like offensively and defensively, and I'm going to give
43:10credit to Gerard because I was, I was critical of him when they
43:14weren't doing these things.
43:15So I'm going to, it may not be justified, but I'm going to give him credit.
43:20I think he went to both offensive coordinators.
43:22One thing I didn't talk about, I think that.
43:25Uh, you know, we saw number 68, Lucious Smith, or I
43:29don't know who the hell he is.
43:31He got out there and I was like, who the hell is that guy?
43:33And he was playing fullback.
43:34And I thought it was survive for a minute.
43:36I was like, is that, I know.
43:38So they used some offensive lineman.
43:41I've never heard of at fullback at times they had Hunter Henry, Austin
43:44Hooper, Jaheim bell as a sort of H backs.
43:48And what that did was, you know, that adds another gap that the jets have to
43:53defend and it makes blocking, it makes running the ball a little bit easier.
43:59It's something Josh McDaniels would have done back in the day when
44:03they were struggling up front, he would have put, um, a fullback in there,
44:07which, you know, now in hindsight, you're like, you wish they, they probably
44:11wishing they had a real fullback, um, to simplify things, but I
44:15thought that was really good.
44:16I thought defensively Mayo said, let's just keep it simple.
44:20Let's go man coverage, bring a safety into the box.
44:23Everybody do their thing.
44:25Read your keys.
44:26Now I do think the jets helped out cause they're not overly complicated
44:29and anything that they do think to Nathaniel Hackett, Alex van Pelt Jr.
44:34Over there.
44:35Um, so we'll see if this continues going forward, but, um, I thought it was all
44:40great.
44:40I thought they were, they were back to playing, um, good assignment,
44:45sure execution focused defense.
44:48And I think that really happened because they just simplified
44:51everything and just played football.
44:54Make the quick correction, uh, because I don't want people going after Greg.
44:57It's Todd Downing.
44:58Who's calling the plays.
44:59Nathaniel Hackett was demoted.
45:01Um, but still the, the overall, the overall thought remains, which is not a
45:06lot of sexy stuff from the jets offense.
45:09It's it's Rogers in the shotgun.
45:11Uh, they'll play some pistol Rogers.
45:13We'll let the clock go down to about one second and sometimes get, get caught
45:17with a delay of game, especially before a two point conversion, which was truly
45:20delicious.
45:21Uh, but there's not, there's not a lot going on there.
45:24Uh, and hopefully they have a blueprint moving forward.
45:27And I would say I'd love to know how much Mayo was actually like, how
45:31much is he getting involved now?
45:33Uh, was that why the difference was like you said, Greg, um, hopefully
45:37an astute reporter like Greg Bedard or somebody else down there can, can
45:41figure out how much Mayo was involved this past week.
45:44Oh, trust me.
45:45If Mayo was heavily involved, we'll definitely hear it.
45:48Um, out of you.
45:50I I'll leave that alone.
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46:25You get 20 bucks off your first purchase who played well, who didn't Greg.
46:30So I will say my highest rated players of the game were Drake may Dietrich wise,
46:37Ramond Ray Stevenson, Hunter Henry, DeMontre Jacobs, Michael Wenu, Anthony
46:44Jennings, Jeremiah farms, Jelani Tavai, and Del Pettis.
46:52So those are, those are guys who stood out in my mind.
46:56Del Pettis getting almost, you know, 40 snaps.
47:00That's a, that's a pretty good moment for him.
47:01You know, delay Duggar late scratch.
47:04Good moment for him.
47:05I also think that Ramond Ray Stevenson, people will look back and
47:08they'll, they'll look at the statistics.
47:10Yeah, I thought he was really good.
47:11Like the, the yards after contact again, um, that catch, it's going to be
47:17overlooked by a lot of people, but that catch is huge play on second down.
47:21I think it was second and 15 and that ball is thrown out of bounds.
47:25That ball is thrown high.
47:27Uh, there's a defender coming over.
47:29It's pretty well covered.
47:30Stevenson plucks it out of the air.
47:32Then makes the spin move, keeps his feet in bounds and picks up
47:3514 yards and set up third and short.
47:37That's a gigantic play that eventually led to the second touchdown of
47:41the game for that Patriots offense.
47:43So I thought Stevenson was really good.
47:46And if you, if you watch the game over, especially you notice
47:49a lot of the little things.
47:50All right.
47:51How about who didn't play well?
47:52So you'll be surprised.
47:54I did.
47:55Well, I mean, I guess at the end, they don't grade out all that.
48:00Poorly because of, you know, they don't get that many opportunities, but, um,
48:05you know, guys, obviously Antonio Gibson, I'm not going to put booty at the end
48:11of the day, graded out positively for me.
48:13Um, even though he had the struggles earlier, um, Taekwon Thornton.
48:19Of course, I'm not putting anybody on the offensive line.
48:22They all played well.
48:24Um, and defensively, Marcus Jones, Marte Mapu, Jalen Hawkins.
48:33Um, not, not that many on the down list.
48:37There you have it.
48:38Greg Bedard is going to run to, uh, enjoy his two hours
48:41of hell with Felger and Maz.
48:43So, uh, suck that up, big boy.
48:45Enjoy it.
48:46We'll be back later in the week to a preview the next game, which is against
48:50Tennessee going to try to get Greg to send me down to Nashville
48:53so I can get hand boned on Broadway.
48:55Uh, we'll be back later in the week.
48:57Enjoy.