Time for Patriots to Make QB Change? | All 32 NFL Podcast w/ Mike Giardi
Is it time for a change in New England? After another tough 24-17 loss to the Dolphins, the Patriots' offense is still struggling to find its footing, and fans are wondering if changes are needed at quarterback or within the coaching staff. Meanwhile, the Jets continue to stumble, barely managing to put up points in their loss to the Broncos, as turnovers and inconsistent play plague them. On the other hand, the Ravens are proving to be exactly what they were expected to be, securing another win and showing they're a real threat in the AFC North. Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson discuss it all as they recap Week 5 of the NFL.
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00:00It is caught! Touchdown!
00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.
00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ballgame!
00:12We are back again all together. The All-32 pod.
00:16Mike Ciardi alongside my cohort, Will Parkinson.
00:20Fresh from Parks Unknown, where I believe he had a good time.
00:24Until Sunday morning. And let's just forget with the pleasantries.
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00:40We love them. We do it. Let's jump right into it though, Will.
00:44Good time on Friday. You had a good time on Saturday.
00:48Sunday morning. Jets, Vikings in London. And the Vikings
00:52are now 5-0. The Jets are 2-3.
00:56We exchanged some texts. It's a little troubling what's
01:00happening with New York right now. Yeah, so a couple different things.
01:04I guess I would put Minnesota
01:08kind of was a lot of yesterday, what I felt like the concern.
01:12If you had concern of maybe what Minnesota was going to be
01:16over the next, I guess, whatever, 12 weeks or so.
01:20That was kind of yesterday where Sam wasn't good at all.
01:24That was the Sam game that you kind of were expecting. He got lucky. Got away with a few.
01:28Didn't run the ball particularly well once Aaron Jones went out.
01:32It felt like we're having trouble moving the football at all.
01:36Defensively, they were good. They made the plays they
01:40needed to, for sure. They are a much bigger, some of its parts,
01:44versus maybe individual talent. Again, Gilmour is still a good player.
01:48He made a great play at the end, but he's not Stephon Gilmour, one defensive player of the years.
01:52Blake Ashman's a really good player. Van Ginkle, a really good player. Again, I'm not talking
01:56Fred Warner, Nick Bosa, but they're really well coordinated. Minnesota,
02:00again, Kevin O'Connell yesterday was a little weird. I feel like he couldn't figure out what he really
02:04wanted to get out of this team once that first 15 was up.
02:08That said, they're 5-0, and from a Jets perspective, this game to me
02:12was way more concerning than Denver. This was poorly
02:16coached. Rodgers looked bad. Almost got his leg amputated at one point.
02:20I thought it was done. When he went down like that,
02:24sandwiched, we've seen that injury so many times. I don't know how he stayed in the game.
02:28I don't know how he stayed in the game at 40 years old.
02:32Reese Hall has looked about as bad as you can look at the running back position,
02:36two straight weeks. Garrett Wilson finally got going, but it took 22
02:40targets in a game, which is crazy.
02:44Just overall, I guess my thing with the Jets, and again, this is probably harsh,
02:48I don't think they want it bad enough right now.
02:52As a team, as a full unit, it feels like a lot of feeling sorry
02:56for myself because I'm not playing well, kind of get easily frustrated,
03:00mental mistakes. I almost already had four drops yesterday, including a touchdown
03:04and a big second down play. If he catches, Rodgers doesn't throw
03:08the interception the next play. So, again,
03:12I'm not saying the Jets are not playing hard. They are playing hard. They were really good in the second half.
03:16I thought they were going to come back and win that football game. It felt like everyone's all lined up to do so.
03:20But overall, they got to get it corrected and credit corrected quickly
03:24because as bad as the AFC is as a whole, as we'll talk about some of these teams,
03:28the Jets are just in this weird spot where they'll get Moses back, they'll get Mosley back
03:32this week. Rodgers is not going to look as bad as he looked yesterday the rest of the year.
03:36He's not. But yesterday sucked, man. It was
03:40frustrating because to be so good in the second half
03:44and be so good as a whole defensively for the entirety of the game
03:48and get really bad performances from pretty much every one of your good players
03:52is like, that's why you have hope. If you're a Jets fan, you're going, man, we're playing terrible
03:56as a team right now. We're playing when all our star guys aren't playing well.
04:00But once they do, we're rolling. But at the same time, you don't want to dig yourself
04:04a hole here and you got Buffalo coming into your building in seven days in a team who's
04:08we'll see about Josh Allen, but they're not playing so well either.
04:12It's interesting to me because you talk about sort of like all these things
04:16your best players not playing and not being ready in the first half.
04:20I think we exchanged a text that was kind of like, wake up.
04:24They were very sleepy in that first half and dug themselves a hole which they couldn't get out of.
04:28And to me, part of that is on the leadership
04:32of the guys in the locker room. But then
04:36the other part and probably the bigger part to me is the coaching staff
04:40and is the message being received and are they doing enough to put these guys
04:44in positions to be successful? I talked about on the pod Friday when you were away
04:48and we kind of had gone back and forth on the Garrett Wilson comments.
04:52And it just feels like there's a disconnect
04:56and it's an offensive thing and it's a Hackett
05:00thing and it's a Rodgers thing and like Rodgers' frustration sometimes
05:04I think for lack of a better term
05:08if a guy sees it, the body language, and they do, they all see it. They all see it on social media later.
05:12It feels like maybe he's showing me up and I don't know that he necessarily is.
05:16It's just like the emotion of the play, but it's like sometimes, dude, you're the guy.
05:20You just got to bite your bottom lip, smack your thigh
05:24and get back in the huddle and do the next one.
05:28That would be where I was at with them in terms of a concern and it's like we talk about now we're five weeks
05:32in and obviously they played a complete game against the Patriots who might very well
05:36be the worst team in the league and we'll get to that next.
05:40Good second half against the Vikings, but not great.
05:44Good second half against the Titans, but not great. Just haven't put it really all together
05:48when it matters and look, they shouldn't.
05:52This isn't a two and three football team from a talent perspective, but based on some of the stuff
05:56that's going on and the way they're being coached, I guess they are where they're supposed to be.
06:00If they have Devontae Adams and Mike Vrabel as their coach and how they receive right now,
06:04they're probably 5-0 now.
06:08I know that things cratered for Vrabel at the end of the Titans, but that roster
06:12cratered big time.
06:16I can't imagine that he's tolerating some of the stuff that's happening.
06:20The message would have been sent back in the spring.
06:24Sure as hell would have been sent in the summertime in training camp and some of the
06:28error repeating. I got news for you. I don't really care
06:32where you're at at a wide receiver position. After the second
06:36drop, Lazard's probably going to stand on the sidelines for a while, if not
06:40the rest of the while. I would have a hard time believing that.
06:44I'm glad you brought up the Adams thing because quickly,
06:48does it change their offense? Does it change the way
06:52because it doesn't feel like they're threatening enough people.
06:56I think the Vikings clearly, the pick six to me was a
07:00we're going to pressure you. You like to
07:04throw things quick and short. We're just going to jump it. They jumped it for a pick six.
07:08It's a huge play. I just feel like for as good as Adams is,
07:12he's not what he used to be. Is he the kind of guy that's going to allow them to
07:16stretch the field and create more space? I feel like everything is
07:20so close to the line of scrimmage. They're just not able to
07:24threaten teams horizontally, vertically. They're not getting all of that.
07:28I think it actually does a lot. I went back and watched a lot of
07:322022 Packers today like a sick mother effer because
07:36I was like, what's going on? You needed to find your happy place. I got you.
07:40Devontae gets put in a Garrett Wilson role. A lot of intermediate. You go
07:44beat man coverage. You go beat doubles. I'm going to throw you back shoulders. I'm going to throw you
07:48all these dig routes and slants and all these different roles. Garrett gets
07:52pushed into the Lazard role, which is you're going to be more of a vertical guy. You're running
07:56those deep posts, those deep digs, goal balls. Garrett was running a lot of goal
08:00balls during camp. They've gotten away from it.
08:04If Garrett can get freed up, he finally looked like himself yesterday. It felt like the shackles came off him
08:08confidence-wise. He was like, oh, I'm good. I'm fine. I'm
08:12back to myself. That's where I think you start using that 4-3-8 speed. Him and Mike
08:16Williams are going to be your vertical guys. Lazard should be right now
08:20used as the Jets' second tight end in the run game that can catch passes because
08:24he's a really good blocker. He can run the whole route tree. He can. He's not a
08:28bad player, but he should be your fifth or sixth option. He has good chemistry with Aaron and big plays.
08:32I understand him being on the field, but he's got to be on the field
08:36if everything else breaks down, he's in there. I think Devontae fixes
08:40a lot in his ability to beat man coverage. I just think his presence
08:44is, if he takes Garrett Wilson's route tree and Lazard's
08:48target share through the first five weeks, now you're talking about
08:52I trust Devontae to catch those balls. I'm not going to trust Garrett
08:56to run some of these vertical routes. Garrett should be able to beat pretty much anybody
09:00getting vertical and getting that wiggle back a little bit. Now the run game starts to open up.
09:04Aaron's feeling more confident. He's always been a body language guy.
09:08The most interesting comments, and we'll transition to Patriots because I know there's been a lot of interesting
09:12comments out of that building the last week. A lot of concerns
09:16me and you had dating back to a combine appearance on my pod
09:20six months ago, or whatever that was.
09:24Quincy Williams said, I've had enough of this bleep.
09:28We got to start taking accountability. The excuses of rain, of travel,
09:32of injuries, of a million different things.
09:36He's like, no one wants to hear it. They want to hear why did we win today?
09:40I love that from Quincy. I know a lot of guys in that locker room share that opinion.
09:44I think that's, Robert Silas said, you guys police yourselves. That's been his mantra
09:48all year. He's like, I will be hands off with you. You police your veteran
09:52locker room with Aaron and Tyron Smith and C.J. Mosley and really respected
09:56Central Hall of Famers, mostly those guys in the locker room.
10:00Time for that to start happening. It's enough.
10:04It's two bad losses. It happens. You lost to the Vikings and you lost to
10:08the Rain Game and the Broncos who look like the best team in the NFL the last two weeks.
10:12Now it's, OK, Buffalo's coming in here. I think
10:16in my opinion, if I was Robert Silas personally, I wish he would say a little
10:20bit of this press conference stuff, but go take Monday. Get away from
10:24football. I don't want you guys to go anywhere unless you're in rehab. Get away from the facility.
10:28Come back on Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever. I guess it'll be really Tuesday afternoon.
10:32Ready to go to war with a team who spent the entire offseason,
10:36Deion Dawkins in particular, telling you how soft you were. If that's not played throughout
10:40the locker room this week, and if you're a Bills fan and there's a lot of the back and forth too,
10:44this is a rivalry game. This is one of those few rivalries I feel like left in the
10:48NFL right now where these guys don't like each other.
10:52Gotta have a better mentality going into Buffalo this week. I want to get your thoughts on one more
10:56thing before we transition to the Patriots-Dolphins, and that is
11:00we briefly touched upon the run game, how Breece has looked the last two games,
11:04and maybe what Adams could do
11:08in terms of opening things up for the run game.
11:12What has stood out to you about what's wrong with the run game
11:16the last couple weeks? It's predictable.
11:20Brendan Bates, Jets third string tight end, they claimed him on waivers.
11:24And again, I don't want to come at guys personally. That was the worst
11:28performance I think I've ever seen in the run game by anybody
11:32in a long time. He missed on every block.
11:36I mean, I'm talking doesn't even make contact on a lot of them. There was one that was so bad
11:40he ran into a Jets guy that was engaged in a block.
11:44It was the fourth down call. The scheme's predictable
11:48right now because again, they've gotten themselves into
11:52we're not going to motion, which is weird because all camp, I know you can't tweet it
11:56as much, all camp the Jets are using a lot of motion. Garrett was in the slot. They're using two backs.
12:00They've gotten away from a lot of the, kind of reverted to bad habits when things haven't gone
12:04right. It happens in the NFL.
12:08They've got to get back to pick five run plays you're good at.
12:12Brees is good at these three. Braylon Allen's good at these three and just do it.
12:16Run it out of different motion, run it out of different formations. But it seems like
12:20Jets bring two or three tight ends on the field, run.
12:24Jets take, bring three or four receivers on the field, pass. And that's who you've got to get away from.
12:28That's what makes these offenses so dynamic. I know the Patriots and a lot of teams share this concern that are not
12:32good offenses right now. The reason you look at, I don't know
12:36I'll just use McVay's teams. Again, they got too predictable when Bill
12:40crushed McVay in the Super Bowl, but it was because they could run so well
12:44out of 11 and they could throw so well out of 11. The Jets have the personnel to be a good team
12:48that can run out of 11, can run out of 12, and throw out of 12. Right now, they're just
12:52again, get away from the facility for a day. Everyone, including coaches.
12:56Just wipe it. They almost over-prepare.
13:00It's not what they think they're going to see. They're like, oh my God, what's
13:04going on here? To me, it's get away from the facility, come back
13:08on Tuesday morning, everybody, and refresh.
13:12Wipe the last two weeks, burn the tape, and get better.
13:16Yeah, because at this point, it's not going in the direction that it should be for a team
13:20as we mentioned with the type of talent they have. Even if in some places, it's a little older.
13:24Obviously, Rogers is 40, Smith near the end,
13:28TJ is probably near the end, but you get my point. There's still too much there to be two and three.
13:32Let's move to Patriots who lost 15-10 to the Miami Dolphins.
13:36Quite possibly one of the grossest
13:40games I've had to witness in person in a long time. When you consider
13:44the way the Patriots have played, really getting back to the
13:48back end of Mac Jones' rookie year when they lost 4-5, including
13:52an absolute ass-whooping in the playoffs in Buffalo.
13:56We've seen a lot of bad football, but yesterday might have taken the cake.
14:00For me, I don't know how you don't sound the
14:04alarms about the coaching on the football team.
14:08We've touched upon this in each of the last couple weeks in terms of
14:12the error repeaters and the edges for three straight
14:16weeks, blowing the edges and talking about it. That can't happen again. We don't play that way.
14:20We know we've got to keep this guy in the pocket, and then boom, sure enough, the guy's out of the pocket.
14:24Aaron Rogers, who couldn't complete a pass out of the tackle box before they played him, is running around
14:28like crazy, completing passes outside the box, running for first downs.
14:32Purdy does it the following week. Gino had done it in Week 2.
14:36This game, they did a better job with Huntley. Huntley sucks.
14:40Let's just... God bless him.
14:44They signed him two weeks ago. Snoop.
14:48He's got a pop-gun arm. It's pretty gross. That was a team
14:52that, even though their high-end talent is still better than your high-end talent,
14:56because they have Tyreek, they have Waddle, they have some pieces, right?
15:00You shouldn't have lost that game. I know some Pats fans will say,
15:04the end of the game with Polk. The rule's the rule. I don't quite
15:08get it either. I don't think it's a great rule, but it is the rule, and you weren't
15:12complaining about it when it happened to other teams in other years. It happened to you there.
15:16Polk didn't know the rule. I had to explain it to him after the game. Pop Douglas
15:20didn't know the rule. I had to explain it to him after the game.
15:24I don't know. Is that bad coaching? Maybe a little bit,
15:28or the guys aren't listening. Maybe that's it, too. I don't know.
15:32Polk had time to settle his feet. He didn't have to overreact. It wasn't a great
15:36throw, but he didn't have to get up and get it like that. He had time to get his feet down. He didn't do it.
15:40No touchdown. Then he's on the 40-yard line
15:44as a show and a replay on the Jumbotron, trying to egg the crowd on to be
15:48booing the refs. Again, dude,
15:52that's the rule. The board operator clearly didn't know it because they kept
15:56showing it, and the fans didn't know it because they're booing.
16:00We still have to play. Get your ass in the huddle. Again, an example
16:04where if I'm the coach, maybe I just say, what are you doing? Get your ass over here.
16:08You walked off the field against San Francisco. You said,
16:12my bad. Won't happen again. Looked bad. Now you're on the 40-yard line
16:16going nuts. When your team has to keep playing, you still have the ball.
16:20Again, I think part of that is Gerard wants to treat these
16:24guys like men. Bill did not treat them like men. Don't say anything
16:28like, you're in trouble if you say anything. You get tapped on the shoulder. You've got to
16:32go to the office. Gerard says, hey, you want to talk it, go back it up.
16:36They've been talking, and they're not backing anything up. They've lost 4-0.
16:40They played poorly. They had 14 penalties in the game. 12 of them were
16:44accepted. Too many men on the field.
16:48One delay of game that they wanted to take on the punt. One that they didn't.
16:52It's a hot mess. One week after the other.
16:56Now the problems are migrating to different places.
17:00Obviously, the easy answer, and we'll get into it, is
17:04do you just say, damn the torpedoes and play the quarterback
17:08at this point, Drake May? I'll tell you what. You talked about
17:12the coaching staff needing to step away with the Jets. I think these guys all have to get
17:16in a room together and say, let's hold each other accountable.
17:20We're not a good football team, and we're not a well-coached football team.
17:24Keon White with two 15-yard penalties on the same drive comes out for one play and goes
17:28back in. He headbutted the quarterback. You can't touch the quarterback
17:32to begin with. You're going to headbutt him? And you think
17:36you're not going to get a call? Come on. It's gotten to the point where, again,
17:40just too many things are happening. You can blame the players, and they
17:44have to be more disciplined, absolutely, but you better hold them accountable. You're the head coach, and you're
17:48coaching staff, and you're not. It's just spiraling in a bad direction.
17:52A couple things. Obviously, I think it's time to start
17:56Drake May. I've been on this show for
18:00three months now saying, wait as long as you can. I think me and you both thought
18:04it was Miami game or later. The first quarter, the season was not the time.
18:08Jacoby's not good, man. The more I watch him
18:12and I understand, again, the expectations are what they are, and I'm not saying this is all on Jacoby
18:16Percet. It is just that he holds the ball forever,
18:20and he just will not throw the football. The arm's not that live.
18:24He's good in a situation where he can dink and dunk, and he's better
18:28that year with Cleveland and stuff, and his first time in New England where the talent's really good
18:32around him, and it's kind of just don't make the mistake. Yeah, he doesn't make the mistake for sure.
18:36Again, he takes some shots. He's a warrior, a great dude. Again, none of this is
18:40shot at him, but the Patriots win that game with Drake May probably
18:44now. I mean, just from the aspect of can he create one or two
18:48off-schedule plays? Can he pick up that one first? I mean, look, not for nothing,
18:52the Patriots giving up 190 yards rushing on 41 carries is not
18:56what you would expect just from a team that
19:00knows that the Dolphins can't throw the football. It's like, why are you not
19:04fully just selling out so hard for the run? I know you don't want to get beat by
19:08Tyreek and Waddle, but two is not playing, man.
19:12Tyler Huntley's playing. Patriots are running the football unbelievably well.
19:16It didn't run it enough. 34 passes
19:20for Bursette. I mean, 160 yards, another bad QBR game.
19:24I get it. It's frustrating, but even at the last second, they get the ball
19:28down there, and they can't even...
19:32That's a perfect example of, again,
19:36and you obviously got to put this on Jacoby because he's on the field.
19:40You're 31 years old. You've been in the league for a long time. You got no timeouts.
19:44You have to throw it either in the end zone or to
19:48the sideline so someone can get out of bounds.
19:52Here's a good example. It's happened yesterday. You can't complete a pass
19:5620-something yards down the field and expect your offensive line's going to be able to get down there, get set,
20:00and spike the ball in the five seconds that you had to do it. It's not going to happen.
20:04It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.
20:08It's not going to happen.
20:12It's not going to happen.
20:16It's not going to happen.
20:20It's not going to happen.
20:24It's not going to happen.
20:28It's not going to happen.
20:32It's not going to happen.
20:36And I think everyone actually knows that the 30 seconds or 40 seconds that will go off the clock
20:40here is not worth five yards.
20:44And I feel like I'm frustrated if I'm a Patriots fan right now because I feel like
20:48there's no pressure to win this year.
20:52For the 150th time, the Patriots could get 0-17. Gerard Mayo would have had his job back.
20:56So coaching, like you're
21:00this is a rebuild. This is, we got rid of Bill. You got rid of Bill. You got rid of a lot of
21:04these veterans. You cut Juju in camp because you're like, we're not, we're not going to do
21:07this. We're going to play the young guys. Well, let the young guys make mistakes.
21:11And when it comes to Drake May, again, he's going to have a lot of mistakes. He's going to make like
21:16go drop him in against D'Amico who know, you know, in the Texans, maybe that's not the right
21:19move, but Houston hasn't really overly impressed me enough for nothing. You had a stretch of three
21:23games in a row here at home. I feel like at some point those guys in that locker room are going to
21:28go, man, like you made this point last week, man, I'm out here getting my ass kicked. And then like
21:35Drake May can't, and it's like nothing he's doing wrong. There's nothing new with Drake May, but
21:39guys start to think like that. You almost kind of build in this resentment. You don't even mean to,
21:42you just do. So I'd start Drake May this week. You have three home games in a row. Yeah. It's
21:48not an easy part of your schedule, but at this point, again, it's not about wins, but why don't
21:52you go test them? What if Drake May goes out and plays well on, on Sunday afternoon and you're
21:55going, oh, all right, we played well against Houston. You certainly can play well next week.
22:01And it gives him time. He's seen five weeks now. He's seen different defenses.
22:05I just think that the Patriots, if Drake May's in there, you, you almost have the mentality where
22:10you're okay. Knowing if we lose, it's about the quarterback and developing these guys with
22:14Jacoby in there. It feels like it's kind of like a win now mode, even if it's not meant to be,
22:19it just feels that way. So I don't know. That's for me. I think it's kind of time and you don't
22:24want to lose too much of your season at this point now where guys start to check out a little
22:30bit right now, they're still playing hard and you want to have those guys playing hard with your
22:34rookie quarterback. Yeah. You know, it's, I joked about it. It's unfair to Jacoby, but he knew what
22:42he was getting into. He's been the human shield and the human shield they were hoping could hold
22:46up, you know, eight weeks, 10 weeks, whatever they could do to buy themselves time to eliminate some
22:53of the bad habits that Drake got into at North Carolina and just get them adapted to being under
22:59center more the pro just the pro game. But now they've gotten to the point where it's been two
23:04games in a row where Jacoby is clearly that the, the, the pressures and the hits have taken its
23:11toll and he's not seeing the field the way he needs to see the field. You know, checking down
23:16when they're like he had pop and pop was open in front of him. He took the check down instead.
23:22It was like pop had a step to like, if you, if you throw a good ball there pops quick, like who
23:26knows 10 yard play turns into 25. Like instead you're throwing the ball sideways for a check
23:33down and you know, you're, you're not getting any yards. It it's, I don't love the idea. Cause I
23:38think we saw, we, we, we saw, and we heard Alex van Pelt talk about the regression in the Jets
23:45game when Drake came in and some of the footwork stuff showed up and he didn't make a couple right
23:49reads and he bailed on the pocket and he's not the one who's been getting hit. Right. So already
23:55doing some things that they don't want him to do, but at this point it feels like we're set.
23:59So beaten down and now the offense is looking at going, I was open. Like they were saying some
24:07stuff early in the year. Like I was open and you go back and watch the tape and you're like, no,
24:10you weren't really open or you really weren't paying attention to the fact that he was under
24:14siege and there was no way he was going to be able to get the ball to you or see you.
24:17He was in survival mode. Well, now you're seeing times where he's holding the ball for
24:21three and a half seconds. Guys are open and he's either taking a sack, taking a hit,
24:26throwing the ball away or throwing the ball to the check down. And you're like,
24:31okay, you're a little bit broken right now. And I don't know. I don't know how you're already,
24:39you're already in a, in a danger zone of losing a locker room because you've lost four in a row.
24:43And because of the way you're playing and because maybe some guys look at other guys and say,
24:48oh, he just got two 15 yard penalties and missed one play and came back in or
24:52even Ramond Ray, who everybody appreciates from Andre and knows the work he puts in.
24:57So he doesn't start because he's fumbled four times in four games.
25:00He missed the first four plays. And then he's back in the game. Like you didn't,
25:05as I mentioned at the time, when I think when it was when Mayo revealed it on a Patriot show
25:11on Friday or something, I was like, okay, great that he's not going to start them. But if he's,
25:15and I wouldn't sit him either, because again, he's one of my better players and I don't think
25:19he's doing it out of stupidity. He's not holding the ball like a loaf of bread, but at the same
25:23time, like, oh, you're going to sit him, but you're not really sitting it. You're not this.
25:27It's, it's like a paper move, but not a real move. So I just, I think they're a mess. I think
25:31they stink right now. Uh, and maybe they don't stink next week or a month from now, as I wrote
25:36Boston sports journal by December, but right now they stink. And I don't, aside from making the
25:42quarterback change or smacking a bunch of these guys around and saying, what the hell are you
25:47doing? You're not going to play. If you play like that, like, I don't know how they change it. So
25:50yeah, to me, it's like make the move now or make it like Thanksgiving. Like it's one of the two,
25:54you're either going to go with it and try to get a shot in the arm here, two, sorry, three,
25:58three home games, obviously two. And then the one, you know, one overseas, but, um,
26:03I feel like I know I'm wavering a little bit on this, but I, I just feel like now's the
26:08D'Amico's defenses, at least kind of sit back and zone Jag, the Jaguars are horrendous.
26:13The jets come in and, you know, I don't know, the jets play a lot of more zone and maybe it's like
26:19the little easier figure. I just, to me, this is a shot in the arm. Like
26:23let's put out a fire before it gets too hot. I don't think his confidence is going to get
26:27totally shot. I think he's got enough swagger to handle it. And you just got to talk him through
26:33it when, you know, cause there are, look at, we know they're going to be bad plays. It's just
26:40Bo Nix has bad plays and Bo Nix played six years in college. Like I know Jaden's going crazy,
26:44but he also had 55 starts in college. Like, and Caleb is a special talent and you're starting to
26:49see the special talent. The game is slowing down for him the last six quarters. He looks awesome.
26:54You know, now can he keep that going? My guess is he probably can, but there'll be some moments
26:59where it goes in the other direction because they're rookies and somebody will hit them with
27:03something they haven't seen or they'll make some plays and they'll get down on themselves. And
27:07that's just what happens. He's going to have moments where it looks terrible, but you're just
27:11going to have to live with that during the course of that time. Like that's just, that's just what
27:16it is at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Much more on that one. All right. Let's let's hear from one of our
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28:04price picks run your games. All right, let's get to the next one. Ravens bangles. This game was
28:09the game. I was excited to be able to go back and watch it. Uh, last night Ravens winning
28:15overtime 41 38, but I want to start with the bangles. Cause I think I had them as a playoff
28:22team. I forget where you were. You're you teeter on the edge. You might've had them out or seven.
28:26Yeah. I forget. Burrow throws for three 92, five touchdowns and they lost the football game.
28:37He said afterwards, we're not a championship level team right now.
28:40And I come back to coaching here. I said, this, this seems to be a trend here. Zach didn't have
28:47them ready for the start of the season. And that's been a Zach Taylor thing. They get,
28:50they've gotten off the bad starts every year that he's been there this year, they get off to a bad
28:54start. They lose a game to the Patriots who have, that's the only game the Patriots have won,
28:57right? You can't lose that. I know they had stuff going on, you know, the Jamar stuff,
29:01and then no T Higgins in that game. But then in this one, Lamar fumbles in overtime,
29:06you've blown a 10 point lead, but it's 38 38. Lamar fumbles on the opening drive of overtime.
29:12Your offense is cooking. He calls three straight runs in the middle of the line
29:17and then attempts a 53 yard field goal. Like you have Joe burrow. You have Jamar chase.
29:25Who's pretty much uncoverable right now. He had a good game yesterday. Like it was going,
29:30I can't explain it to me. Like they're one in four and their talent says they probably should
29:37be three and two or four and one at this point. I don't know how you dig yourself out of this hole.
29:42They keep putting themselves in it. I don't know how they dig themselves out of this one.
29:46Yeah. A couple of things. One, um, the Ravens seem like they're going to be an offensive team
29:50this year and that's fine. Even MVP level quarterback, you have a running back. Who's
29:54going to go into the hall of fame. You have, you know, Andrew's looks a little better in this game.
29:58They got likely involved a lot more. Derek Henry obviously rips off the big run. The offensive
30:01line has been better. All that stuff. Lamar was special. So, um, my takeaway is the Ravens are
30:06going to be a team that has some talent on off defense. They should get better as the year goes
30:09on. Um, I don't think they're going to be just bottling people every week. Um, but offensively,
30:15their secondary is an issue. Yeah, it's, it's beat up. Um, and you know, and in many ways, but,
30:21um, I think the Ravens are a team that's going to, that's probably an accrues to the division title.
30:26Um, I know we're not going to talk much about it, but the Steelers are not very good. I've said it
30:30for weeks. I extremely fraudulent. That's a bad Cowboys team. And if you can't get it done at
30:36home against them, you're not getting it done. Um, Cleveland's obviously probably the biggest
30:40disaster in the NFL right now. And the thing with Cincinnati for me is this, like, they're going to
30:45be a fun team. I wouldn't want to play them any week personally, because Gerald Burrow and chase
30:50Higgins can, can, you know, just crush it. Like we saw last week. I don't think they're
30:58they did the same thing. The jets did last week, settling. I know 50 yard field goals are not the
31:03way 50 yard field goals were when, you know, before me and you were born, I get it, but they're
31:08not, they're not a given, especially outdoors. So anything can happen and just kind of sitting
31:16on the ball to hopefully kick a field goal. There is just such a weird move. The Bengals defense is
31:21terrible. I mean, truly terrible. So I don't think they're going to have a chance to be able
31:26to be a playoff team this year. I just don't think there there's enough games on that schedule
31:31and they can't stop anybody until they start stopping people. It's really like they're,
31:36they're those warriors teams, but like Monte Ellis and Steph Curry back in the day were like,
31:40they'd score one 40, but they'd give up one 75. And you're like, who gives up one 75 in a game?
31:44So my biggest takeaways are like Lamar and Burrow are both awesome. Lamar beats Joe Burrow
31:50pretty much every time he plays them, by the way. So that narrative by, by people that's
31:56the opposite of the case is actually Lamar always beats Joe Burrow, but Burrow is awesome. He's
32:01played really well this year. And, you know, outside of the New England game, I think they're
32:06kicking themselves. They've dropped, you know, two games against teams that are better than them.
32:10And they've, they've played well enough to win. They haven't made those plays. And sometimes those
32:13years happen. It'll be a classic like Bengals this year will struggle. And then the regression,
32:18or, you know, the regressions this year, they lose all the one score games. And next year,
32:21they'll win every one score game. And they'll win 14 games. Like that's what happens in the NFL.
32:25We saw with Minnesota two years ago until last year, Baltimore is really good. Again,
32:30they're not perfect. I think they're beatable, but they're very good. Lamar is awesome. And I
32:34think from a Bengals perspective, the defense right now, some coaching, some defense, some
32:40just stupidity for lack of a better word, right? Like it just, it is what it is.
32:45They're one in four and they're going to have to get really hot here because they're losing a lot
32:50of conference games. They're losing a lot of winnable games. And in this league it's early,
32:56but we, it's just, we're going to have to probably what go nine in nine and three,
33:02the rest of the way. I just, and I just don't know if you can count on Burrow to be
33:07healthy and amazing every single week to carry you to nine plus wins the rest of the way where
33:15you'd love one game. The defense holds someone to 15 or one week it's, you know,
33:20running game actually matters. Zach Moss got, you know yeah, beat up. So I don't know.
33:25I just, my takeaway is like, I think Baltimore is going to walk to this division title.
33:28Yeah. Just for those who missed it, three 48 for Lamar yesterday, four touchdowns
33:34rushed for 53, 55 yards. He has the most four touchdown, 50 yard rushing games of any
33:40quarterback in NFL history. He's doubled the next closest guy. I think it was Cam. Like it's just,
33:46he's a, he's a freak of nature. And I want to put one thing on your radar when it comes to Cincinnati
33:51at one and four, trade deadline is November 5th. He Higgins is on the franchise tag. He's he go.
33:59I mean, you lose a couple of these games here or November 5th.
34:04Well, you're not going to pay him, right? So what's the point?
34:06It doesn't appear that that's ever been a part of the conversation.
34:10Like what do you trade everybody? I'm serious. Like, wouldn't you not trade other than burrow
34:15and resigning chase? Couldn't everybody be on the table? I would consider. Yeah. I would say
34:21pretty much what Buffalo just did this past off season. We have our guy, we've paid him.
34:26We have another star guy or the other offensive piece we want to build around. We like our staff,
34:32whether you like them nationally or not, you like, you know, we like our staff.
34:36We have time here at Joe burrow. The contract's just about to, I think it kicks in this year or
34:41next year, whatever. Isn't now the time to say like, why don't we almost restart all these guys
34:46and rookie deals and we'll go get another. And like, we might suck the rest of the year, but
34:51we're going to come back into 25 with this young revamped core. We'll spend on free agency where
34:55we need to. I just feel like if they lose one or two more, this is the year, like that's at a,
35:00you know, whatever you pay Logan Wilson and Trey Hendrickson, everybody else. I don't know. Like
35:04I love Sheldon Rankin's. You probably get a mid a mid day to pick for Sheldon Rankin's on a one
35:09year deal to go help a contender, be a pass rusher inside. Can, could you not get T Higgins probably
35:13get a two, maybe a three? I would think so. I would. Yeah. T Higgins would look pretty good.
35:20Is Kansas city. Yeah. Zach Moss gets healthy here. Can you not flip Zach Moss for a pick
35:26to one of these teams that need a running back? Like, you know, Minnesota is Minnesota.
35:30They're keep competing. Like do they go, Oh, we'll flip a fourth for Zach. I don't know.
35:34Again, I don't know the exact compensation. I just think this might be the year you say,
35:38let's throw in the towel. Let's totally revamp this roster going into 25. We,
35:43we got us launched out with this five-year window as we could let's reset the window
35:47with our quarterback and page from our chase and get this thing done. Yeah. Cause again,
35:53really three, three games between now and the trade deadline. And if they're,
35:57they go one and two, Oh, and three, like, what are you, what are you even doing?
36:02They are at, they have the giants this week. That is not going to be as easy of a game.
36:09Especially if you can't play defense, then you're not really a good matchup against the giants.
36:12Cause the one thing they can't do is really play offense. They do have Cleveland. So you would
36:16expect maybe they beat that. They could win that game, but then they have Philly. Their schedule
36:20is kind of like the next four. That's where it's interesting. But the problem is, is if you don't
36:24get some of those wins at Baltimore, at, at the chargers, when they have everyone healthy again,
36:30Pittsburgh, Dallas, I don't know, they get the Bronco. It just, you know, two and one,
36:35two and one probably convinces them that they're still in it on the next three, but one and two,
36:40like Brown might say, I'm not paying the rest of T Higgins, his contract. So let's get them
36:43the hell out of here. You know, you're gonna make me pay Jomar chase $800 million. Right. Yeah.
36:48Let's save some cash. Uh, let's move to the next one. And how about the Chicago bears? Absolutely
36:55wallop the Panthers. And look, we know the Panthers, although they've been better with
36:59Andy Dalton, you know, they talk about injuries too. Like their team is just falling to pieces
37:04from a health standpoint. There's a three and two Caleb's getting it three Oh four yesterday,
37:11two touchdowns just took one sack. Finally, you know, the work that he and DJ more, and you've
37:16seen a couple of weeks ago, there was maybe some bad DJ more body language, five catches for one
37:22Oh five. And the two scores yesterday, like they've been putting in a lot of time. If you,
37:26you know, follow the bears, like good amount of work after practice during practice to try to get
37:31that combination, right. They were the sexy pick in the off season. There was the sexy pick all
37:37summer long, and you and I kind of resisted it. But now knowing what the NFC looks like,
37:43and that maybe Caleb is starting to figure this thing out. Are they changing your mind at all?
37:51So I obviously I'm a huge Caleb guy, everyone knows USC wise, etc. I thought he was
37:59really just like, look at the way he's played. And again, I know,
38:02you know, every week's different, and every matchup's different and injuries and different
38:06quality defenses. He's thrown the ball 26 and a half times a game the last two weeks.
38:13Well, up, you know, down from 3752. He's running the football better, he's taking away less sacks,
38:22you know, his yards per attempt or higher, you know, 10 and a half yards an attempt.
38:27You know, this week, you know, he had a touchdown run called back. That was insane. I think he's
38:31being a little bit more diligent about when the right time to get rid of the ball. He's not
38:36taking as many sacks because I think like, he runs around back there, but then he throws the
38:39ball away at times or he actually makes guys miss or him and he had the touchdown DJ more was
38:46gorgeous 10 out of 10 throw. I don't know if they've changed my mind yet, because I just think
38:52I there's a couple of teams that have like looked better the last you know,
38:56him and the Giants both have looked a lot better the last couple weeks, but
38:59I don't know, I look at that NFC North and like, they're the fourth best team still right now,
39:03you know, and I don't think the North's getting four teams in. So unless Minnesota really regresses
39:08or Green Bay, you know, doesn't fully hit their stride or for whatever reason, or Detroit stumbles,
39:13like, I don't know how they can't get in as a fourth. So the NFC is kind of sucks. But like,
39:19I'd still pick them, you know, Philly over them, I'd still probably twist my arm, I'd take them,
39:25or I'd probably take Dallas in a game against them, maybe. But it's been impressive. And if
39:30you're Carolina, like, it's just hard, I guess, if you're a Panthers fan, because like, what?
39:38There's not the quarterback or like, and I guess,
39:40Yeah, Bryce was Bryce was your hope. He was like, that's just like,
39:44that's how the Patriots fans feel right now. You've been in this place. So you they drafted
39:48Zach. And you're like, we finally solved the quarterback problem. The Patriots obviously
39:54had the quarterback for 20 years. And then they've been in Never Neverland for the last five.
39:59It's like, Drake, the guy and if Drake's not the guy, it's like, that will be gutting for people
40:03just like in Carolina. And like, you know, we had camp for a while. That was nice, you know,
40:08and then, you know, they've been here, there and everywhere. You get the number one pick,
40:12you trade up for the number one pick, and he turns out to be a guy that you've
40:15sat on the bench after 1819 starts. Yeah, it's a little frightening.
40:22Yeah, I just I like Chicago. I think they're gonna be a hard out all year.
40:25This year is all about Caleb. I think if they can find a way to be in the mix, in December,
40:31having Caleb and this young core play and meaningful games. That's like, there's the
40:38bears who I don't know one plus how many felt good about your quarter, you know, Jay, Jay Cutler,
40:43you know, points like in lunch, if you could get to the point where you go, he's our franchise guy.
40:48We wanted it. He got him. Now you're going to 25 going, well, let's see if we have the coach.
40:54Not sure you do. But we have a lot of town here. And like, we're one more or one more offseason
41:00away from being a legit competitor to like, go win this division. And so that's why to me, like,
41:06this is great. This is a great development. I'm not I'm not out on them. I'm just not in yet.
41:11I have to show me a little bit more. You know, this Rams teams really banged up and then you
41:16know, they went out of home and they beat a Panthers team like that hating on it. You can
41:19only play is in front of you, but I got to see maybe one or two more weeks where you go, oh,
41:25OK, we can try. I like I like how you describe Kevin, because for me, it started to turn with
41:29him in the second half of last week's game against the Rams, where it wasn't. He just
41:35played calm and I was like, all right, there's a five yard throw here again, like slow down.
41:39Also, yeah, I'm going to take the five yard throw. It's a good it's like, hey, take the profit,
41:43take the profit, take the profit. He didn't play outside of the offense, outside of himself.
41:48And it felt like it carried into this week where then all of a sudden when there was
41:52opportunities to make bigger plays, he made him. You mentioned they ran the ball a little
41:55bit better, still not great. Swift had 73 yards on 21 carats. It's not an awesome average,
42:00but at least for the moment, I take Shane Waldron off my suspect list for what he had done with the
42:05offense. But we'll see. You're right. They got to continue to progress and continue to be this sort
42:12of team. Let's finish with the Bills and the Texans. Bills lose the game. Twenty three, 20.
42:21Josh Allen, nine of 30. Oh, yeah. Nine of 30. Probably got concussed, although he's not in
42:31McDermott this afternoon, said he's not in the concussion protocol. They gave him smelling salts
42:35on the sideline. He missed one play. If you saw the video like he looked like he was in La La Land.
42:42But nine of 30. And they were and I was there talking about it. We talked about the first three
42:48weeks, the everybody eats mentality. You know, I got ready digs. Everybody eats and it looked great
42:53for three weeks. The offense bogged down big time against Baltimore, despite Josh doing some
42:59ridiculous things in that game. And then in this game, they got they got it going a little bit,
43:04but by and large, stuck in the mud. And we mentioned Devante Adams when we were talking
43:10about the Jets. This is another place where Brandon Mead might have to say to himself.
43:17Do we do a rental for one year and give up the second round pick? Because I don't know that the
43:22Keon Coleman, Mack Hollins occurred in play yesterday. So, you know, he's been their best
43:27receiver. Haven't quite figured out a way to get Dalton Kincaid going like they did last year.
43:32Dawson Knox, who I think is a pretty good receiving tight end. Pretty much. I don't
43:38tell me he's done anything this year. I'd be surprised by it like they just haven't figured
43:42out a way to get those two guys in the field at the same time and have some production out of it.
43:46So Curtis Samuel, that looks like that was a bad signing. They needed him yesterday. One catch,
43:52I think, for five yards. So they're in a place now where first three look good. The last two
43:59have not looked good at all. Who are they? What are they? And what do they need to do
44:03if they want to be maybe who we thought they were the first three weeks?
44:06We talked about in the preview pod. I wasn't trying to be skeptical of Buffalo because they're
44:09in the Jets division. I was skeptical because the one they had one good like one and a half
44:16really good games. And I felt like they got really hot in the second half against
44:21Buffalo and Arizona is not good. I know they won yesterday, but Arizona is very like
44:26they're a spunky seven win team to me. Like, I just think they're like they're hard to beat
44:30up for sure. But West Coast team on the East Coast, like you should handle, you know,
44:33they should handle them and the two of stuff. And I guess I would say this with Buffalo.
44:40One, the Josh Allen thing was ridiculous. And this is again, this is nothing to do with the
44:44Jets are playing the Bills this week. This is purely like he was out cold. It was so obvious.
44:49He literally he locked up like this. Like, I don't know what it everyone knew it. I'm like,
44:54wow, that's I mean, damn, he bashed his head off the turf side of the head. And that's
44:58in question all day long. He didn't even have to like, feel like go through protocol at all,
45:04which is really weird. Again, the smelling salts and it was really obvious. And like,
45:08we saw this last year with Brock Purdy. And he was also put on protocol to and stuff. And it's
45:12weird that Alan's like kind of avoiding that. I don't know if he's just not reporting it or
45:16whatever. I mean, he was out like I don't, it was really this is not again, it's not advising
45:21who's out cold. He was terrible yesterday. The one touchdown was like Keon Coleman making
45:27a corner missing man coverage one on one and he took it 50 yards. Like
45:31other than that, Josh Allen was eight of 29 for 120 yards. Yeah, it's too bad games in a row.
45:37It happens. He's got he's been getting hit a lot. But big shots the last two weeks,
45:42they got to be careful of that. Again, he's avoided injury. Thank God for the for the
45:45bills case and for the league overall. But you know what, I know he's Superman, but being careful
45:50there. All those defense just I don't I think is I think it's a league average defense. I think
45:56they've got two light on the interior. They're they're too light to linebacker level like
46:02they're fine. They're fine. They're fine group like they can play well. They can play. You know,
46:05they're well coached. They're fast, but I just don't think they're like the bills defenses of
46:09years past. I will say and I said this about shroud after week one and week two. He is not
46:16to me. I think he's still amazing. He's a top five guy or top six guy in the league. And again,
46:21it's nitpicking. This is one of those weeks where like a lot of those and what are you doing there
46:27throws or what are you doing there? Please. He got away with early in the year. He did not get
46:30away with yesterday and Houston and Kansas City are combined nine and one or eight and one soon
46:35to be nine and one. I have not really been overly impressed with either team. No, it's an awesome
46:41point. Neither one is played good. I shouldn't say good football. Neither one of them has played
46:45football to the level that their record says no, they're playing, which is if you're a fan of those
46:50teams, you're going, man, we can play so much better than four and one final. Like that's
46:53awesome. Right? Like if you're a Houston fan, you're like, we're going to be six and one,
46:57seven and one going into going into Halloween. Like I'll take that all day long. We have a top
47:01five guy. Again, I don't blame you for a second. I just personally felt like Buffalo kind of has
47:07to beat the jets. Like, and I know it's like, kind of trying to steal one on the road and
47:12try your, I would consider it their hardest out of their hardest division game probably is the road
47:17against the judges, based on how they played their last couple of years. I just, you're asking
47:22Josh to do a lot and they're not really, they don't run the football as much as they should.
47:26I feel like I don't know why they get away from it. It's a lot of deep shots. It's a lot of
47:30these long developing routes. I'm not concerned if I'm a bills fan, but I'm also not happy at all
47:36with the way things have looked the last couple of weeks. And a lot of the fears of people of
47:40Buffalo going into the years, what we've seen the last couple of weeks, and they're really
47:43stiffer competition. And again, with Houston, I think Houston's really good, but I feel like
47:50they tried everything they could to lose that game. And Buffalo's like trauma determinant was
47:53like, you think you're trying to lose? Well, let me show you. Well, let me, let me just, let me run
47:58that through for people who didn't. So the 32 seconds left tie ball game, bills have the ball
48:03on their own three yard line. Texans have all their timeouts. They called the bills did three
48:10longish passes. Like, I mean, not even post concussion or post whatever that was. You want
48:15to call it Josh Allen. So you didn't force. So I don't know really what the thinking is there.
48:20Cause you're again, you're on your own three yard line. Do you really think you can get into
48:23scoring position in these 32 seconds? The first play doesn't bother me, but then once you get
48:28the offensive pass interference, it's over. Yep. Second and third bother me. And look,
48:33some people have done like the numbers and like, Oh, well you, if you ran the ball would have
48:39worked out. There'll be the same time when you kick the ball off, but you would have had to make
48:42them burn all their timeouts. Obviously the kick wasn't great. Sets them up one play. They get a
48:48completion. They bring on fair burn and he nails the 59 yard field goal to win the game. McDermott
48:54said today, like I'm going to learn from it. But to me, this is a bigger picture McDermott question
49:01because he's a good program builder. They've had a lot of success there.
49:06They haven't gotten over the hump. We know the 13 seconds, the home loss to Cincinnati
49:10in the playoffs last year, bass misses the field. Gold would have forced overtime. Like
49:16they'd been in these moments. They'd been in this place and haven't gotten over the top.
49:22Where is will on Sean McDermott head coach. And is he the type of guy you feel like
49:28can take them over that hump?
49:35I just, I think at the point with Sean right now, it's they're really well coached when things are
49:40going right. They are usually really well prepared for games. I think he's a really good program
49:48builder. As you mentioned, he's had a lot of success in Buffalo. I do think of this year
49:53kind of spirals in any way, shape or form. They've kind of done all the things you can do
49:59before you fire the coach. It's usually you fire the offensive coordinator, the defense
50:03coordinator. That's both happened. It's usually you trade the player. That's a cancer. You've
50:08done that. You've gets the playoff losses. Everybody else at some point, it's going to be
50:13him or Josh and it's obviously not going to be Josh. So I don't think they're right there yet
50:18with McDermott. I think that was just, I don't know. He pissed on his leg. I don't know. I don't
50:22know how else to describe it. I think he was like, Josh gives you such a rational confidence.
50:26It almost makes them make dumb decisions at times. But I do think like if this ends up being an eight
50:32or nine win team, I don't think it's going to be, I think there'd be a playoff team. I think
50:35they're a clear favorite to win in the division until the Jets or Miami get out of their own way.
50:41But yeah, if another first round exit, you know, you know, a home playoff loss or something like
50:47that, or it just feels like they've done every other thing that you can do before a coach goes.
50:53And I'm not out on Sean, but I'm, he is on the thinnest device. Long-term, long-term,
51:01not in season. He's not going anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. You got, you got it. Yeah.
51:04There's just, there, there are, there's a game or two a year where you're just like,
51:08what? Usually it's a Jets game. Yeah. Yeah. It's usually like, what, what was,
51:15what was that game promise? Look, you want to talk about,
51:18I loved the idea. You go into two weeks and it's like, who's the more desperate team, right?
51:24A jet should be a desperate team, but the bills should be a desperate team,
51:27which should make for a very good football game. But we'll see. I've been fooled before,
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