On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofsky is joined by Joe Pohoryles of NHL.com to discuss their takeaways from Bruins training camp. Evan and Joe also discuss all the latest on the Jeremy Swayman negotiations as the regular season inches closer. All that, and much more!
Topics:
- Has Fabian Lysell done enough?
- Matt Poitras might be the favorite to be 2RW
- The latest on Elias Lindholm
- Evan makes a point about how generations view contracts and getting money
- What Jeremy Swayman is worth
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Topics:
- Has Fabian Lysell done enough?
- Matt Poitras might be the favorite to be 2RW
- The latest on Elias Lindholm
- Evan makes a point about how generations view contracts and getting money
- What Jeremy Swayman is worth
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00:28I am here with Joe Pajorilis. Joe, what is up?
00:33Not much, just waiting for the regular season to start pretty much. Just like, you know, pretty much every Bruins fan I imagine.
00:41Trying to wait and see what the final roster is going to look like.
00:44Yeah, it's funny, like, I'm so excited for the preseason to arrive, and then it hits, and then I'm like, alright, I want to see regular season hockey.
00:52Like, I've seen enough. It's only been two games. I know this will annoy a lot of people who are recording this prior to Thursday night's game against the Rangers.
01:00I wasn't able to record Friday, so my apologies. Poke the bear and pucks and hags will be out.
01:06So you'll be able to kind of get the breakdown on Thursday night's game.
01:11But yeah, preseason hockey, it's good, but I'm at the point where I'm like, alright, I want these games to matter a little bit.
01:18And it's good. I like preseason in the sense that you do get to see those young guys.
01:23You do get to see guys like Trevor Kuntar in Providence who are trying to work their way into being call-ups.
01:29And then the big storyline, obviously, is you get to see the young guys who want to make a spot on the NHL roster.
01:35And that's where we will start.
01:38So have you been at every day of camp so far?
01:42Probably missed one or two days, I think. But for the most part, they're every day, I'd say.
01:47So far, obviously one of the big things is Fabian Lysel.
01:51Fabian Lysel had a pretty forgettable showing on Sunday against the Rangers.
01:58And then he comes out on Tuesday night and puts together a good performance against the Caps.
02:04Where are you at with Lysel and potentially making this roster?
02:09I think Brad Marchant kind of summed it up where his take the other day was like,
02:18yeah, him and Merkulov both looked good on Tuesday.
02:23But they're going to have to be a lot better if they want to make the team.
02:27And I agree. I think they looked good in spurts.
02:30Obviously, Lysel had the goal. Merkulov set up Brazzo for his goal.
02:35But as far as jumping into that spot, and it might be tougher for them than others,
02:42where Lysel at least is expected to jump into the second right wing,
02:46earning a top six spot on an NHL roster that's going to be tougher than any of the other guys
02:51just battling for that fourth line spot or bottom six role.
02:55So Lysel is the type of player where he's not going to fit into that bottom six role.
03:01So he kind of has to make that, you know, find somewhere in the middle six,
03:04one of those lines to, you know, ingrain himself.
03:08And I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the roster.
03:11I just don't know if he's done what's necessary to really seize that spot.
03:15Yeah, that's where I'm at, where, you know, Sunday's performance,
03:20I left thinking, you know, this is a big camp.
03:25And I hear the pro Fabian Lysel people being like,
03:29oh, but he's not playing with real NHL talent.
03:31You know, it's like, okay, well, I want to see him drive play.
03:34I want to see him take initiative.
03:36I want to see him win his board battles, all that stuff.
03:38But then, you know, Tuesday night against the Caps, you know,
03:41you see that really nice goal and you just see what he can be.
03:45And it's like, oh man, like if you can get that 80 to 90% of the time,
03:52that's a great top six forward in the NHL.
03:55And I know there's some shortcomings on defense and things like that.
03:59But, you know, to me, like I've said it all off season,
04:02I want to see what he looks like on that second line.
04:06And I don't, I don't like, now you have Matt Potra in the mix.
04:12Like now Matt Potra is in the mix for that second line right wing spot,
04:16or at least just on right wing in general.
04:18And Potra looks really good.
04:21And I think that to me, like Potra fits more of sort of that balance
04:25where it's like, you know, all off season, it was like,
04:27do you want Morgan Geeky or Trent Frederick in that right wing spot?
04:30Or do you want Fabian Lysel,
04:32which is two very different ends of the spectrum there.
04:35But now it's like, all right, the happy medium is Matt Potra
04:38because you get that young, exciting, high ceiling player
04:42and you get someone who's also responsible.
04:44So to me, like right now, like I was talking to Connor yesterday,
04:49he likes Morgan Geeky for that second line right wing spot.
04:52I've wanted to see Lysel on the spot for a while.
04:54And who knows, I mean, Lysel, you know, could have a huge night on Thursday.
04:59But to me, like Potra would kind of fit in both sides of that.
05:05And I think that would be, I think the Bruins would enjoy being able to be like,
05:08hey, we do have a young guy in the top six and who's also responsible.
05:12Yeah, I think looking at his game, again, it's just one game
05:17Yes, we're going off literally a grain of salt.
05:21We are going off a little bit of a grain of salt.
05:23Yeah, but if you look at Potra's game, I don't know how you could argue
05:26he's not one of the top nine forwards on the team or in Bruins camp.
05:31I think whether he's at right wing or if they fit him in a center spot
05:35and shift Frederick and Geeky over the right or however they want to mix it up,
05:38he's not playing like a guy that, oh, you send him down the AHL
05:43just because you can and work him.
05:45But obviously they're going to be cautious with his recovery.
05:48But he talked about the weight that he gained this offseason.
05:51He was playing strong with the puck.
05:53He looked like he didn't hold back at all, you know,
05:57in his moments in the game the other day.
06:00And so I think whether it's in that second line right wing spot
06:04or if they want to put him on Frederick's wing,
06:06they've been playing Frederick at center with Potra on the right wing.
06:10I don't know if they want to make that like the third line
06:12and put Geeky up to the right.
06:14Whichever way you spin it, it seems like Potra's, as it stands,
06:18this far in the preseason is the best fit for one of those spots
06:22over Lysel or whoever else.
06:24Yeah, and by the way, I want to correct myself.
06:27Lysel is not in that Thursday night lineup.
06:29I thought they would put him in and I just looked at the roster.
06:31He's not. He's not in. Potra is, though.
06:34So it would be curious, you know, he'll already have played
06:36by the time people listen to this.
06:38Like, oh, what a great game by Matt Parr.
06:40What a game he had against the Rangers Thursday night.
06:42He was buzzing around out there.
06:44Well, he'll be playing with Pasternak and Zaka
06:46if the lines from this morning indicate anything, which they should.
06:50He'll be playing with NHL players alongside him as well.
06:53So that should only help his case, theoretically.
06:57So there you go.
06:58Like, again, I think, you know, in day one of camp,
07:00it's funny because day one of camp they had Johnson with Coyle
07:03and Lysel in that line.
07:06You know, again, I think they, you know, Sweeney kind of said
07:09as much back in the summer of like, all right, this is Lysel's chance,
07:12you know, to sort of, or a young guy like Lysel,
07:15to take hold of that second line right wing spot.
07:17It might just end up being Potra.
07:19And again, I think a lot of people want Potra to be a center long term.
07:23But again, coming back from shoulder surgery,
07:25still being a young guy in the NHL,
07:27you don't have to force him into that middle spot.
07:31You know, and also like one thing I was watching with Potra,
07:34especially in that first game was sort of like, all right, you know,
07:36he comes off shoulder surgery.
07:37Is he going to be hesitant?
07:38Does he get, you know, but he's just so elusive, protecting pucks,
07:43finding space.
07:44Like to me, whether you're going against, you know,
07:48the most veteran NHL defenseman or a rookie, like those,
07:51those skills are going to be effective no matter what.
07:55And he's good at getting himself out of danger and not getting crushed.
07:59Cause I know he gained weight.
08:01He still is a little bit smaller.
08:03Then submit some others and he's young.
08:05So you do have that.
08:06But to me,
08:08I keep looking at Potra and he's grown on me as that second line right
08:12wing spot.
08:13Cause all off season, it was like, oh,
08:14this is going to be Potra or like Mercula for the third line center spot.
08:17To me, it feels like Potra.
08:19I mean, they clearly I'm going to,
08:20or at least going to start him on the wing.
08:22And I agree with you through one game.
08:24Again, we have not seen Thursday nights gaming.
08:26It's the Rangers.
08:27I don't know how you send him down at this point.
08:31Yeah.
08:32I think another big factor is not even in Lyselle or Patras or anyone's,
08:37any of the players control and it's Jim Montgomery status as head coach and
08:41what he needs to accomplish this season.
08:43He's in the final year of his deal.
08:45You asked the question,
08:47I believe last week or sometime the other day, what they're,
08:49what the contract talks are like.
08:51I think Sweeney said that they had started talks,
08:54but that's obviously no guarantee or indication that anything's coming.
08:57Jim Montgomery just in his status of his contract can't afford to throw
09:02Lyselle in there and wait and see,
09:04and hope that,
09:05you know,
09:06it clicks right away.
09:07He can,
09:08at least to start,
09:09or maybe towards the end of the season,
09:10maybe he can mix them in like when injuries start to pile up later in the
09:12year,
09:13but whatever it is,
09:14he needs to ice the best lineup that he can,
09:16because he's coaching for his job,
09:19quite literally just based on what his job status is like after the end of
09:23the season.
09:24Well,
09:25that's the other part.
09:26He held it there.
09:27Like,
09:28if he's not extended at the end of camp,
09:30he's coaching,
09:31you said he coaching,
09:32he's coaching for his job this year.
09:33So can you afford to put Fabian Lyselle in that second line,
09:36right wing spot,
09:37um,
09:38and potentially piss off Brad Marchand?
09:40Uh,
09:41you know,
09:42he's made a couple of comments throughout,
09:43you know,
09:44camp and captain's practices of sort of insinuating like,
09:46no,
09:47we want a guy like a Morgan geeky there,
09:48someone who's more reliable.
09:49And I think Matt Potter kind of fits that same,
09:51uh,
09:52build of like,
09:53you know,
09:54he's more likely to have an offensive ceiling than a guy like Morgan geeky.
09:56Um,
09:57but can you afford to put someone like Lyselle there who,
09:59yes,
10:00you know,
10:01going off the two games that he's played,
10:02you know,
10:03you're going to,
10:04we're going to have Twitter highlights,
10:05you know,
10:06there's going to be a goal here or there where you're like,
10:07holy crap,
10:08that kid can fire it.
10:09Or,
10:10oh my God,
10:11he's got a lot of skill,
10:12but then there are going to be plays where it's like,
10:13man,
10:14he completely missed his assignment,
10:15uh,
10:16in the defensive zone or,
10:17oh my God,
10:18that turnover.
10:19Oh,
10:20you know,
10:21this or that.
10:22And can Montgomery afford to have those mistakes happen and
10:23potentially either lose games or,
10:25um,
10:26you know,
10:27uh,
10:28you know,
10:29get off to some sort of slump or have trouble scoring,
10:31um,
10:32early in the season.
10:33I don't know if you can.
10:34That's why sort of the extension makes the difference in maybe who he
10:37picks where it's like,
10:38you know,
10:39he was brought in as someone that was going to be good with young
10:41players and you can be the best coach in the world with young
10:44players.
10:45But if you have one year left on your deal and you're a lame duck
10:47coach,
10:48you want guys who are going to be reliable.
10:50You want guys who maybe they're not going to,
10:52you know,
10:53have the 50 point ceiling,
10:54but they're not going to give up a lot in the D zone or,
10:56or have to be pushed.
10:58And you're right.
10:59Like I,
11:00and that's another whole thing.
11:01That's a whole nother can of worms that I,
11:03to me,
11:04I don't think people are talking about that enough because like,
11:06I think it was ESP.
11:07Was it ESPN?
11:09Someone did like a predictions for each team.
11:12I think it was ESPN.
11:14Um,
11:15and their prediction was this will be Montgomery's last year.
11:18I said,
11:19yeah,
11:20it was ESPN I think today or yesterday.
11:21Yeah.
11:22Yeah.
11:23It was ES,
11:24it was ESPN.
11:25Um,
11:26and again,
11:27like,
11:28I think actually a friend of mine sent it in like a friend group
11:29chat.
11:30It's like,
11:31what a random place to,
11:32to get that.
11:33Cause I hadn't seen the story,
11:34but they said,
11:35you know,
11:36at his preseason news conference,
11:37Bruins GM,
11:38Don Sweeney mentioned there have been talks between the team and
11:39head coach,
11:40Jim Montgomery about a contract extension,
11:41which is a different than signing one.
11:43And B,
11:44uh,
11:45not an indication of job safety,
11:46even if he had signed one,
11:47uh,
11:48and then goes on to say,
11:49you know,
11:50I don't know.
11:51I don't know.
11:52Blah,
11:53blah,
11:54blah,
11:55blah,
11:56blah,
11:57blah.
11:58Um,
11:59and obviously they're not going to change GM's cause they never
12:00changed general managers.
12:01So,
12:02yeah,
12:03I mean,
12:04I like,
12:05there needs to be some sort of clarity cause I think it affects
12:06a lot of lineup decisions.
12:07Um,
12:08throughout,
12:09I want to get more into some training camp stuff.
12:10Um,
12:11the Montgomery situation I think will be for a while.
12:12I don't like,
12:13do you see them signing something soon on that?
12:14Uh,
12:15not enough to be said.
12:16Yeah.
12:17I mean,
12:18I feel,
12:19I feel like even historically,
12:20like the,
12:21the coach extension versus like the player extension,
12:24there's not typically as much talked about with that,
12:27like across the board.
12:28Um,
12:29I mean,
12:30there are a lot of whisperings.
12:31If they lost to Toronto last year in the playoffs,
12:36he might probably would have been fired that day.
12:38Poster knock scores in overtime,
12:40make it to the second round.
12:41He lives,
12:42sees the,
12:43you know,
12:44the last year of his contract.
12:45So I don't know.
12:46I don't know.
12:47I think Sweeney's probably more focused on Jeremy Swayman.
12:49I think,
12:50I don't think there's any,
12:51uh,
12:52I don't think there's going to be any extension talks for the
12:53coach before a number one gets signed.
12:56Uh,
12:57that's,
12:58that's what my best bet would be,
12:59I guess.
13:00Yeah.
13:01And I also think like,
13:02like in,
13:03in Sweeney's answer to that question,
13:04like he,
13:05you know,
13:06he sort of not hid behind,
13:07but was able to use the thing.
13:08Like we don't,
13:09we're not,
13:10we're gonna,
13:11you know,
13:12do a rule here.
13:13We're not going to talk about numbers and extensions and
13:14things like that.
13:15So yes,
13:16we have been talking about it.
13:17Um,
13:18which again does not mean,
13:19I think if I can go back in that moment,
13:20my followup question,
13:21um,
13:22would have been,
13:23and you know,
13:24I think Monday is,
13:25um,
13:26the press conference with everybody,
13:27the Jacobs and Neely.
13:28And I don't know if I'll be there or not,
13:30but my question would be,
13:31do you want him longterm?
13:32Cause I think that,
13:33cause again,
13:34Montgomery's checked off all the boxes except postseason success,
13:35but that's a big freaking box.
13:36And are you going to wait until they've won two rounds?
13:38In April and then,
13:39you know,
13:40extend him in May.
13:41That's a hard thing to do to a guy with a family here and,
13:42and everything.
13:43So,
13:44um,
13:45I'm curious to see what they end up doing,
13:46um,
13:47in the Montgomery,
13:48uh,
13:49situation.
13:50Uh,
13:51I want to get into Swain and stuff.
13:52I want to get into more from camp.
13:53Uh,
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