Following another tough loss, this time on home ice, the Bruins continue to find themselves sputtering early in the season. On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofsky is joined by Mark Divver of The New England Hockey Journal to discuss the big questions around the Bruins. THe largest of those questions being - could Jm Montgomery's job be in jeopardy? Evan and Mark discuss that, along with all the biggest stpories surrounding the Boston Bruins, and much more!
Topics:
- Bruins lay an egg vs. Dallas
- What’s going wrong?
- Will a move be made at head coach?
- The pros and cons
- How do the Bruins get back on the right track?
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Topics:
- Bruins lay an egg vs. Dallas
- What’s going wrong?
- Will a move be made at head coach?
- The pros and cons
- How do the Bruins get back on the right track?
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00:21I am Evan Maronofsky joined today by Mark Diver.
00:24Dibs.
00:25Evan.
00:26What's up?
00:28Same old, same old.
00:29Getting ready for another weekend of hockey.
00:32That's all there is this time of year.
00:33Just more and more hockey.
00:34And you're right now, you're coming to us live on site, boots on the ground at The Amp.
00:39You're at Providence Bruin's Morning Skate.
00:40So you're, it's like, it's like I'm a studio host, like for like channel seven or something.
00:44And you're, you're the correspondent in the field doing the hard hitting journalism.
00:49Yeah, well, I don't know about that, but I'm hiding up here in the suites where it's quiet
00:55and, uh, you know, normally they wouldn't let me, uh, let me be up here.
01:00Like during a game, there'll be people and stuff, but, uh, there's nobody here.
01:04So you got to stay, you got to stay there all day and just claim it as your people who
01:09have tickets to it.
01:10Sorry.
01:11You weren't there at 12 in the afternoon.
01:12Goodbye.
01:13See ya.
01:14I could do that, but I don't think I will.
01:16Yeah.
01:17It's a press box.
01:18View is better.
01:19Anyways.
01:20Um, interesting times in the land of the Boston Bruins.
01:23Uh, so I want to tell you a little funny story.
01:25So Thursday night, um, tickets were relatively cheap to the Bruins stars game.
01:30And I got to shout out our good sponsor over at game time for her great, a great experience.
01:35They cheap seats, very easy to get tickets, uh, game time really hooked it up.
01:40So shout out to them, uh, use our promo code CLNS and, uh, my girlfriend and I went, she
01:45lives down the street from the garden and we go and it's Bruins stars and, uh, she's
01:50not the biggest hockey person in the world, but she gets into the game and, uh, halfway
01:54through the third period, she goes, uh, I'm bored.
01:57I said, you and me both.
02:00I think that's a lot of people right now.
02:03That's a lot of people right now.
02:04Um, and Bruins lose five to, uh, to the stars.
02:09That is three straight no win games.
02:11Obviously they had the Utah overtime loss last Saturday.
02:16Um, and it's hard not to ask this question.
02:20And I know that it, it seems early to ask this, um, but I keep kind of going back to
02:26it.
02:27And it's, are we watching the final days of Jim Montgomery's head coach of the Bruins?
02:32And I think it's a valid question to ask, um, because again, I think you look at sort
02:36of the lead up of the last week, you take into consideration, they have not signed him
02:40to an extension yet, to the best of our knowledge, it has not been public.
02:43Um, so I just, I don't know, I, I, I really do wonder if we're kind of watching the end
02:49here because the last week things are not adding up there.
02:52They're under 500.
02:53Um, I know it's still the start of the year, but you know, it is professional sports teams
02:59when they want to spark, do fire the coach.
03:01I wonder if we're getting to that time.
03:04Well, uh, I don't know if we are, but it's certainly a fair, uh, question to ask at this
03:13point.
03:14Um, you know, especially after last night was, last night was bad last night was bad.
03:21And, uh, one thing that struck me, uh, you know, watching from home is the postgame interviews
03:29with pasta and Marsha and they just, they looked stricken, you know, they just looked
03:38like a, you know, like they were kind of searching for answers, uh, which, you know, I think
03:43wouldn't be a surprise at this point, but, you know, there was no, uh, at least that
03:47I saw no, I will get them next time.
03:50Or I saw positive signs or whatever it was, it was just grim.
03:55So, uh, you know, when, uh, and the boredom thing, you know, when, when fans are bored,
04:03that's, that's, uh, that's a red flag.
04:06Um,
04:07Well, I wouldn't go out too much off my girlfriend, but then I got to defend the Bruins a little
04:13bit.
04:14I get what you mean.
04:15Watching from home, you know, yeah, there was a, there was some boredom there.
04:21You didn't feel like they were going to do it in the third period.
04:23They played better, but, uh, you know, I was struck by, uh, by the difference in skill
04:31between the two teams.
04:33Now Boston is, is in a trough right now.
04:36They're, they're not playing well.
04:37So is it fair to judge them off of last night's game or the previous one in Nashville?
04:43Well, probably not, but, uh, boy, Dallas and Dallas is a Stanley cup contender, right?
04:49A lot of people are, some people are picking them to, to win the cup and they're legit.
04:54But, uh, I mean, they, they were the better team by a mile last night.
05:00And, uh, that's after the, you know, the Bruins of the moves they made in the off season and
05:06filling the holes, the perceived holes, uh, via free agency and such, uh, that had to
05:12be a discouraging, uh, effort, not effort, but a performance last night for the, for
05:18Boston and management I'm sure is, uh, searching for answers at this point.
05:24And what are the answers?
05:25I don't know.
05:26Everyone's got to play better.
05:27You know, they got to play better.
05:30It's the old Belichick thing, you know, it is better play better.
05:34By the way, that Dallas stars team boy, can that Wyatt Johnson play that kid is freaking
05:40good.
05:41And that sort of adds a little, you know, a little salt, uh, in that, in that 2021 wound,
05:47which I want to get to later.
05:48Um,
05:51And to, we can, we can get to that later, but, you know,
05:53Yes, but they look, they are, they were so much faster and they were more skilled and
05:58they generated chances better.
06:01And, uh, you know, again, you just go over this last week, cause I remember, I mean,
06:05you know, it was just a little over a week ago.
06:07The Bruins had a really good effort in Colorado, beat them five, three.
06:11Um, then they have that, you know, two to one overtime loss in Utah, obviously Montgomery
06:15makes some headlines with the way he yelled and sort of, you know, gave Marshawn a tap
06:20on the bench.
06:21Uh, they have a really hard practice on Sunday to try to get the guys going.
06:25They have a horrible effort in Nashville, lose four to nothing on, um, on Tuesday.
06:31Meanwhile, Montgomery is juggling all the lines, trying out different combinations.
06:35Um, and again, they lay another egg on Thursday night and there's no five on five offense.
06:42I mean, that is toast right now.
06:44I mean, the last five on five goal they had was Cole Kepke against Utah last Saturday.
06:49Um, that posturing on goal on Thursday was four on four.
06:52Uh, then they had the Brazil goal was power play and they had no goals against Nashville.
06:58So the offense has dried up, looks helpless.
07:01No line.
07:02I mean, the fourth line was working.
07:04I mean, we can't expect them to be the way they have been early on every single game.
07:09The line, you know, juggling the lines doesn't really work.
07:12Montgomery has Patra on the third line, right wing spot on Thursday, which I don't get.
07:18So again, like we're recording this as the Boston Bruins are practicing as well.
07:23And uh, they have Marsha and Coyle and Patra together on that second line.
07:26So I like that move.
07:27I think that is a move to try to generate some offense, but I mean, you've been covering
07:32this a lot longer than I have.
07:34And when a head coach, when those moves start not really working and the team has high expectations,
07:40which this team does, they do, and a lot of it, yes, can be chalked up to guys like Morgan
07:45Geeky and Trent Frederick and, and, uh, Charlie Coyle and, uh, even, you know, before last
07:51night, Breazeau and these middle six guys, just not really performing Brad Marsh and
07:55in there too, but add in the fact that the coach still does not have a contract extension
08:00after this year.
08:02And I think this does sort of, you start to get the wheels turning on that.
08:06And you have Jay Leach on the bench, you have Joe Sacco on the bench.
08:10Like to me, I look and say, they're going to need to turn it around heavily in the,
08:15in this next week or two, or I think you and I could be sitting here two weeks from
08:19now going, all right, well, what can we expect from Jay Leach as the Bruins head coach or
08:23what can we expect from Joe Sacco?
08:25And like, I, I think I'm with you on this, like you and I both are very entrenched in
08:30the college world.
08:31And I think it is, I think it's good for coaches to be in a place for a while because it takes
08:35a while to cook.
08:36You look at Colorado, you look at Tampa Bay, they didn't pull the plug on those guys early
08:41when they could have in both situations.
08:45But the reality is when the, if the voice starts, you know, not really hitting the players,
08:51then that's when changes are made.
08:53And I think we're near it.
08:54We're not at it.
08:55We're not at it.
08:56But I think we're, we're on the road, the Bruins are on the road to that.
09:01I think.
09:02Well, you may be right.
09:05You know, uh, you know, there's been a lot of turnover since, uh, since they let Bruce
09:12Cassidy go.
09:14A lot of turnover, uh, but, uh, at some point, you know, and you kind of say this, I think
09:22this over and over when coaches are about to get fired or do get fired is it's on the
09:28players, but the coach bites the dust oftentimes.
09:31100%.
09:32Yes.
09:34You know, the old thing, you can't change all the players.
09:37Well, they changed a lot of the players now from three years ago.
09:40And I don't know, Monty's, I looked up Monty's winning percentage since coming to Boston.
09:47The points percentage is like seven 50.
09:50It's insane.
09:51It's insane.
09:52Yeah.
09:53And you know, and you, you know, and maybe you're going to let this guy go.
09:56I don't know.
09:58Uh, I guess that could work depending on who's next.
10:02And whether, you know, whoever it is can kind of spark them or, you know, try some
10:12different ideas.
10:13I'm sure they're, they're knocking ideas around in the coach's room every day.
10:18And the guys that, you know, the guys we're talking about maybe as successors, they're
10:23in there, they got ideas.
10:26So, you know, how many, how many, uh, how many different ways are there to, uh, to kind
10:33of make this work?
10:34Uh, you know, at some point that guys like, you know, pick a name, Zaka, McAvoy has McAvoy
10:43been great.
10:44You know, they got to play better.
10:47Well, that's the other, that's the, that's the thing is this roster is not performing
10:53at all.
10:54Like I had high, I had high expectations for this group.
10:57Like I D I, I think this is a legitimately good team.
11:00I think they should be looked at as a cup contender.
11:03At least I felt that going into the year when I watched them play Dallas last night, it's
11:06like, geez, that is a night and day difference.
11:10Holy crap.
11:11But like, I even think like Elias Lindholm got off to a good start.
11:15I haven't noticed him a lot the last couple of games.
11:18Like that has not looked like a number one center to me.
11:20So I, you know, I do wonder if we hit a point where like they fire Montgomery in two weeks,
11:25if this continues and maybe they get a little bit of a spark from whoever they, you know,
11:29they promote Jay Leach, they promote Joe Sacco, they get a little spark, but the same problems
11:34reoccur.
11:35And it's like, all right, it isn't the coach.
11:36It's the roster because Montgomery, I mean, the reality is obviously the 2023 playoffs
11:41will always be a stain for Montgomery, you know, and it's just the way it is.
11:45But that was a hell of a regular season.
11:47And last regular season was, I think, his best coaching job.
11:50I mean, that team, to me, was worse on paper than this, than this team by far.
11:54I mean, you had, you didn't really have a true number one center, you know, Patra gets
11:59hurt.
12:00You've got like JVR stepping into big roles and like you got to the second round and you,
12:07you were a, one of the best playoff, one of the best teams throughout the year.
12:10You were in first place, I think for most of last year, if memory serves.
12:14So like Montgomery is a good coach.
12:16I don't think that's the problem.
12:18I just, I wonder if either the room has tuned him out or, and I think the second option
12:24is the more likely one.
12:26They ain't performing.
12:28They're not.
12:29I mean,
12:30No, they're not.
12:31And, you know, we hear endlessly and I talk about it as much as anyone about the, the
12:39culture, the Bruins culture.
12:42Everyone talks about the culture.
12:44Everyone's trying to emulate it.
12:46Guys on other teams talk about it.
12:48Well, where's the culture now?
12:51What's going on with the culture?
12:52You know, I don't, I don't have an answer to that one, but you'd think, and, okay, so
13:00two, three, I don't know, two and a half bad games here.
13:04Okay.
13:05The Utah one, I mean, they were ahead by a goal with what, 10 minutes left.
13:09I mean, that wasn't a total disaster, but the last two have kind of been, but I don't
13:15know, two games and you, and you flush the coach.
13:18I don't know if that's the move at this point, but no, I agree with you.
13:23I don't, I don't think it's the move right now, but I wonder if in two weeks, if this
13:26continued and they were, what if they, you know, go into the game against the Leafs tomorrow
13:33who also are coming off, you know, a bad performance last night and one where the coach was, was
13:40yelling at guys on the bench, you know, sounds familiar, but you know, what if, if they get
13:45blitzed by the Leafs tomorrow, I mean, holy cow, all, all bets might be off, you know,
13:51this isn't a, I mean, if they, if they fire the coach and hire a new one, that'll be three
13:59new, three head coaches in what, three years, four years.
14:04For the Bruins, it would be, yeah, Cassidy fired in 22, Montgomery fired in 24, if that's
14:14what ends up happening and someone hired, yeah, and the new guy that, and that's not
14:18a stable, that's not what's good organizations do.
14:21No, it's not.
14:22Remember that.
14:23And you know, and Don Sweeney, you know, is not a guy who is prone to rash moves at all.
14:31This guy is patient and he will wait and he will wait, you know, until the time is right
14:36or, you know, whatever, but it would be on the Patriots Super Bowl parade.
14:44There won't be one of those this year.
14:45No, there won't, there won't, but it would be unlike him to act rashly in this situation,
14:52but who's to say that, you know, it's not his, it's not completely his call.
15:00Somebody, somebody above him on the, on the food chain may make, make that decision for
15:07him.
15:08We don't know.
15:09And I think it is also pressure on him, there's pressure on Sweeney.
15:12A lot of these are his moves.
15:14Max Jones, Randy Tufte, Elias Lindholm, Nikita Zdorov, brought in in the offseason, Kostelik,
15:23who's been good.
15:25So again, like Corpozalo, these are his moves.
15:27So you also have that.
15:28I agree with you though.
15:30Like I, so I keep going back to like, I don't know about Montgomery in the playoffs, but
15:36I do think you have to give the team some time to develop.
15:39I mean, this is, there are lots of new line combinations.
15:43It is a somewhat new team.
15:46They can't start every year like they did the last two years, last two years, they started
15:49out super hot.
15:50They were like the team of October the last two years.
15:52That's not going to be the case every year, but, but I, you know, they do look dead at
15:59the moment.
16:00They just look out of it.
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17:32So Elliott Friedman made an interesting point, uh, 32 thoughts and basically said the Bruins
17:37sort of, um, look despondent after those two losses to Florida.
17:42I mean, it's sort of like, you know, if you have these two prize fighters come out and
17:45one of them punches the other in the mouth two straight times and just demoralizes them.
17:51And I think the way they approached Florida and the way they built their team to beat
17:56Florida, we might look back on and go, that was kind of the wrong thing to do.
18:01And it was sort of the way their schedule came out because again, you face them twice
18:04in your first four games and that sort of sets you up to, you know, get a little disappointed.
18:12And I think, you know, I wonder, and I don't know this for a fact, but I do wonder if they
18:15look at it and say, you know, okay, great.
18:17We can beat the Canadians.
18:18Okay, great.
18:19We can beat the Kings.
18:20We can beat, you know, we can beat the abs, whatever.
18:21But we got knocked out twice, two times in a row by the Panthers.
18:26And I do wonder if that really set in a little bit of a seed of doubt.
18:29It shouldn't.
18:30I mean, it's the first two of your first games of the year.
18:33They're going to be, they should be an entirely different team come March, April, and May.
18:38But I do wonder if those Panther losses had a big effect on this team.
18:43Well, that's a good point.
18:45Yeah.
18:46Well, it certainly seems like that's the case.
18:49Yeah.
18:50I mean, the schedule maker didn't do them any favors by setting it up with two meetings
18:56early in the year.
18:58But, you know, it is what it is.
19:02And you kind of have to go, you kind of have to, you know, roll with it and make the best
19:09of it.
19:10You know, winning, beating them in October doesn't really, what does that get you?
19:16You know?
19:17Nothing.
19:18I agree with you.
19:19Beating them in April and May is what the goal is.
19:21And building the team so that they're ready to go in the playoffs is, you know, should
19:29be the goal.
19:30And it probably is on the coaching staff.
19:33But yeah, those two games really knocked them, apparently knocked them for a loop.
19:38And they haven't recovered from it yet.
19:42And, you know, it's interesting that, you know, the Rangers are, you know, beating the
19:45wheels off everyone.
19:48And then Florida goes in there last night and beats them.
19:51So it's like, you know, the heavyweight champion is hard to dethrone.
19:57And you know, the Bruins made their moves with that in mind.
20:01But you know, you want to beat them in the spring, not in the fall.
20:06And boy, it's been tough, tough to dig out of the hole of those two Florida losses early
20:13on.
20:14And they haven't done it.
20:15Well, I think that's the thing, is that I think it did knock them for a loop.
20:20And that's just my opinion.
20:21I'm not like, you know, they're saying it behind closed doors.
20:23Like, I do think that that did make a, that did pack a punch, because again, they talked
20:29all training camp, that game one against Florida, game one against Florida.
20:34And they go out there and just are completely outmatched in that.
20:38I mean, that first game was bad.
20:40The whole thing with, like, Frederick challenging, you know, Kachuck wanting to fight and then,
20:47you know, bluffing his way into he didn't drop his gloves.
20:51You know, it's like, you know, just it keeps happening over and over again.
20:58And they fell for it again.
21:00I got me this time again, the answer is, but they, they got to try something different
21:10when they do.
21:11I don't know when they play Florida again.
21:12But so I don't think it's for a while.
21:14Thank God.
21:15Imagine all four games at the beginning of the year, like all in October, like, oh, that's
21:18great.
21:19Hopefully it's not for a while.
21:21Yeah.
21:22A little interesting tidbit from practice from Boston Bruins practice on Friday.
21:27We're recording it like as it's happening.
21:29Yeah.
21:30Obviously, I'm not there, as you can tell behind me.
21:34But so there was kind of some speculation that that, you know, players showed up late
21:39to practice so that maybe they were having a players only meeting.
21:44Scott McLaughlin just tweeted Marcia and said the delayed start to practice today was just
21:47because a video session and an NHL related meeting ran long, says there was no players
21:51only meeting.
21:53So again, I was going to bring that up if they were actually having a players only meeting.
21:57They didn't.
21:58My guess is if they lost, if they lose to Toronto on Saturday, there might be a players
22:02only meeting.
22:03You know what they say about players, players only meetings.
22:07You know, if you have a players only meeting, that's like a last resort, right?
22:12But if you have one of those and then you lose the next game anyway, then what do you
22:15do?
22:16That's the problem.
22:17Yeah.
22:18They you know, it's interesting.
22:19Like, I remember this was 2011 when they lost those two straight to Montreal out of the
22:23gate in the playoffs.
22:24They didn't have like an off day and like Placid or something like, yeah, and they just
22:29did like non hockey stuff.
22:31Like I like I wonder if if if that comes in the car, by the way, it's only been two regulation
22:38losses in an overtime.
22:39Like, right.
22:40Like this is not the end of the world.
22:41I think people are just so conditioned and we are so conditioned to this team just being
22:44so great in the regular season.
22:46We expect this in the playoffs.
22:48But in the regular season, it's, you know, usually a little bit of a higher standard.
22:53And it's funny, like, I don't know how much of that Amazon Prime documentary you watched,
22:58but I found it interesting.
22:59I watched the first two or three episodes and I just haven't watched the rest.
23:04The Nashville one was fascinating when they didn't let them go to the YouTube concert
23:09at the sphere.
23:10Like Barry Trotz came in and was like, you guys have lost like eight in a row.
23:12Like there's no way in hell you're going to that YouTube concert.
23:16And then they, you know, went on a tear the rest of the way.
23:20So maybe they need the Bruins need to plan, like, go to a big event.
23:24And then they need Sweeney to come in and like throw a Gatorade bottle or Gatorade jug
23:27that you're not going to set.
23:29I'm trying to think of someone that's coming here.
23:31Someone I saw a little big town is coming to the TD Garden on Halloween.
23:36So maybe no little big town concert, guys.
23:38All right.
23:40How's it going?
23:41No Patriots game on Sunday.
23:42That's right.
23:43Thank God.
23:44Thank you, Sweeney.
23:45Thank you, Don.
23:46You saved me.
23:47I appreciate you.
23:51One thing I've, you know, has crossed my mind.
23:56I have a friend who works for another team and every year for like, I don't know, many
24:02years in a row, he's like, I don't know how the Bruins do it.
24:06You know, one of these days it's going to all fall apart.
24:10The roof's going to cave in.
24:11All these, you know, bad drafts and, you know, bad signings and this and that.
24:15It's going to all cave in on them.
24:18And every year it's like, geez, I don't know how they're doing it again.
24:22They're, you know, the roof isn't caving in.
24:24Well, this time, I don't know.
24:26Yeah.
24:27It's only two games, but I don't know.
24:29It's they're going to have to figure, figure something out here.
24:34Maybe it is.
24:35Maybe it finally is.
24:36Because you're right.
24:37Every year now, a lot of national people, um, kind of predict they don't, you know,
24:43they either don't have the Bruins and sort of the cup contender group, or they say, Oh,
24:47this is the year the Bruins finally don't make the playoffs.
24:49And that the, as you said, the bad drafts catch up to them, um, hasn't happened yet.
24:55Is it this?
24:56I don't know.
24:57I think we're too early in it to really know, but I think that's an interesting point.
25:01Last week on Elliott Friedman, the podcast, they were actually debating whose roster
25:08would you rather have Ottawa's or Boston's?
25:12And then who, who would you rather have Buffalo or Boston?
25:16It's like, Oh, the lack of respect, the lack of respect, I mean, come on.
25:23Oh, I mean, I get the infatuation with young talent like Stutzler and Brady Kachuk, but
25:29come on.
25:30I mean, seriously, I tweeted a few weeks ago, like I like Brady Kachuk's game.
25:36I do.
25:37And I think he will have a good career and promising career and all that stuff.
25:40But every time I see him do one of his antics, the senators are down like four to one.
25:44Yeah.
25:45And it's like, it's every time like, Oh, he's mocking Lane Hudson, you know, with his, you
25:49know, head fakes.
25:50Oh, the senators are losing three to one at the end of the third period.
25:53Like it's never, you know, him up a ton or anything.
25:57So yeah.
25:58And then the Sabres are their own disaster.
26:00So we'll see what, we'll see what ends up happening there.
26:02I want to get into some solutions.
26:04We're not all about problems here.
26:05We're going to talk about some solutions.
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28:23Well, I don't have a better option than him.
28:27You know, I don't know.
28:32I don't want, you know, I hope the kid succeeds.
28:35I, you know, I got nothing against him.
28:37But I don't know if he, I don't know if he's the guy at this point in his career and where
28:45he's at.
28:46Is he ready to do that?
28:47Is he ready to help a good team in the top six?
28:51I see him getting.
28:52Yeah, he made a nice play last night on the goal.
28:54No question.
28:55I see him getting bounced around left and right.
28:58He's getting crushed.
29:00He's getting, you know, knocked off the puck.
29:03I mean, you know, the physical part, you know, he's not a physical player.
29:10You don't expect that of him.
29:11But, you know, protecting pucks and carrying pucks without getting knocked around is a
29:18requirement.
29:19If you're going to play in the top six.
29:22And he's at a disadvantage there.
29:26So I don't know.
29:28Maybe a temporary spark.
29:30But long term, I don't think he, you know, I don't see him as the answer this year.
29:36Down the road, yeah, maybe.
29:38Maybe he can be that guy.
29:40But to help them get out of this situation that they're in, I'm not, I mean, give it
29:47a try.
29:48What have they got to lose at this point?
29:51You know, who else would you try?
29:54You know, I hear everyone wants to bring Lysell up, you know.
29:59And at some point, they will.
30:02At some point, they will bring him up.
30:04He's going to get an NHL opportunity this year.
30:07Is this the time?
30:08Geez, I don't know.
30:10If you bring him up and he falls on his face for whatever reason, he's not ready or, you
30:15know, whatever the reason might be.
30:18Are you putting him in a position to succeed if, you know, you're kind of plugging him
30:24in there and hoping that he can provide a spark?
30:26I don't, you know, I don't know if he's that guy.
30:29He's not a spark plug type of player, you know.
30:33He's a very talented, skilled, fast player.
30:36But, you know, I don't see him as a spark plug.
30:41How has he been so far this year down there?
30:44He's been okay.
30:46He's been okay.
30:47Last Sunday, he was very good.
30:50He got three penalties, you know.
30:53Oh, it fit right in in Boston.
30:55Yeah.
30:56Perfect.
30:57But two of them were in response to him being roughed up by Springfield.
31:02But he had a good game that day.
31:04And what I said at the time was that he's engaged.
31:08He's engaged on that day.
31:10There's too many times when he's not engaged.
31:13You know, that's been a thing.
31:15But, you know, throughout his time here in Providence.
31:18But he was good on Sunday.
31:21He had a highlight real goal on Saturday, which I'm sure you saw.
31:25And people point to that and say, see?
31:28There it is.
31:29He's ready.
31:30My response is, did you see?
31:33Do you think that move is ever working ever again?
31:36Like, that move is not going to work.
31:39You know?
31:40No.
31:41The poor guy who was on D there is like, holy shit.
31:46I can't believe I got beat on that.
31:49You know?
31:50Yeah.
31:51But, you know, like I said, he's not a spark plug.
31:57That's not what he is.
31:59And I think putting him with a play driver is important.
32:03It might work.
32:05But, you know, what was interesting about Sunday, in my opinion,
32:09is they put him with Patrick Brown and Riley Durant.
32:13Two guys who, you know, they don't take shifts off.
32:18They're going, going, going.
32:21And, you know, I don't know if they dragged him along with them
32:27or whether he was just ready for a good game that day.
32:30But that line was good.
32:33You know, he wasn't with Merkuloff or Letary, you know,
32:38kind of a skill line.
32:39It was with more of a meat and potatoes line.
32:42And he responded with a really good game.
32:45And they're together again tonight and we'll see what they bring,
32:49you know, against a really strong Hershey team.
32:54You know, we'll see what he brings tonight.
32:56But, I mean, I want to see him string together some good games
33:03like last Sunday.
33:04Say four or five good games.
33:06I don't want to see him called up because he had one game
33:09or two good games.
33:11You know, I think it's got to be more than that, you know,
33:15before he gets the call.
33:17But if they continue to struggle, then, you know,
33:21I think you probably will see him sooner rather than later.
33:26And whether that's the right move, you know, who can say?
33:29But he's going to get up there.
33:31I don't think there's any question about it.
33:34But, you know, like I said, I'd like to see him earn it more
33:39with a string of strong games, you know, before he goes up.
33:44Making it on his timeline instead of making it on the team's
33:47where it's like you've earned the right to go up there.
33:50You're playing well.
33:51All that.
33:52I completely get that.
33:53I think it's interesting because, you know, again, like they've
33:57tried Geeky in that spot.
33:59Hasn't worked.
34:00Didn't work.
34:01Again, it fascinates me that guys like Geeky and Frederick.
34:04I know it's only been seven games.
34:06So, like, you know, things can change.
34:08But they're in contract years.
34:10And that's kind of a reason I expected them to be impact
34:14players out of the gate was like you have a lot to play for.
34:17A guy like Trent Frederick ideally would want a year where he's
34:21in the 40-point range.
34:22He's middle six.
34:23Like going to teams next year and saying, hey, I can be a top six
34:27forward.
34:28Haven't seen that yet.
34:29Haven't seen that with Geeky.
34:30Geeky's been scratched.
34:31Haven't seen that with Breazeau until Thursday night.
34:34Like so I think Patra naturally I agree with you.
34:37I don't think he's the long-term fit there.
34:40But I think short-term you try to get a spark.
34:43Like you try to do that.
34:44And then I think if that isn't working and Lysel is playing well in
34:48Providence and strings together some games, you try that.
34:51But again, I still hold I think this team, you know, if they're in
34:56the playoff hunt, which they should be.
34:59They should be.
35:00They're going to be looking for a top six right winger to put with
35:05Marchand and Coyle or to put with whomever is playing with Coyle on
35:09that second line.
35:10Because I agree.
35:11I don't think it's in-house.
35:13And I don't think they I don't think they think it right now that
35:18they have the guy in-house either.
35:20Like I think they're open to that.
35:22I just I don't want to see them trade another first.
35:25Like make another first-round pick.
35:27And I know you and I are big on prospects.
35:29So maybe we're biased.
35:30But like you've got to make first-round picks.
35:33And you know, if this if this team let's just say and we'll probably
35:37talk more about this as the deadline gets closer again.
35:40It's October.
35:41I don't want to waste too many trade deadline bullets.
35:45But again, if it's if they're like third in the Atlantic and they're
35:50you know, a team that might win a round like are you going to really
35:54give up your first for Tyler to Foley or someone like that?
36:00Like is that is that what's going to push you over the line?
36:03I know that they believe that, you know, you can get in to the
36:06playoffs, you know, however, you can get in and make an impact.
36:09And I agree anything can happen in the playoffs.
36:11But like I just wonder if we get to that point in the year
36:14where we're like, yeah, is it really worth giving up a first
36:17for this team?
36:18I don't know.
36:19They haven't shown it so far.
36:20No, they haven't.
36:21And they're good.
36:22I mean, they're going to have to do a lot better going forward
36:25here in order to, you know, kind of make that justify that
36:29kind of a move.
36:32You know, I mean.
36:33Trading picks is, you know, one of the reasons why why they
36:38don't have a lot of prospects in in Providence.
36:42They've traded picks and, you know, they've had to rely on
36:47free agents, you know.
36:50Some of whom are, you know, marginal, marginal NHL players.
36:56So, yeah, I would hate I would hate to see the first round or
37:00go unless they really put it together here and, you know,
37:05make a strong run here over the left between now and say the
37:10trade deadline.
37:11But boy, it doesn't look good right at this point.
37:15And no, you know, I don't know.
37:18Tyler Toffoli.
37:19Yeah.
37:20Great player.
37:22My guy.
37:23And he's not a right winger.
37:24Is is Frank Petronio.
37:26That's who.
37:27Yes.
37:28That would be awesome.
37:29Now.
37:30Yeah, they ran him out of town last time for for a third round
37:34pick.
37:35That turned out to be Jakob Lauko.
37:37Nothing against Jakob Lauko.
37:39But they should have kept.
37:41They should have kept Frankie.
37:43You know.
37:44Well, did you see Lauko got the the chain in Minnesota?
37:47I think it was like last night.
37:48Yeah.
37:49Yeah.
37:50He got the chain.
37:51So he's I saw I watched him score his first goal with the
37:54wildlife.
37:55So I was like, oh, there it is.
37:56Look at that.
37:57I saw I saw a locker room scene from the wild and.
38:04I saw his grapes up on the shelf up above where he sits.
38:08So.
38:10Hey, good for him.
38:11Good for him.
38:12Yeah.
38:13I mean, hell yeah, dude.
38:14Like he's he's a he's an interesting character.
38:16He'll make a good media person down the road.
38:18He'll make a good like podcaster.
38:19He'll be great at that.
38:21I want two more.
38:22Just two quick points.
38:23I want to make before we go.
38:24Number one is deadline stuff.
38:27If they were to trade that first, you hope it's for a
38:29player you can lock up.
38:30You know, you have for more than a year.
38:32And Sweeney typically has been very good with that outside of
38:34obviously the year that they, you know, 22, 23, when like
38:37that was understandable.
38:38That team was so good.
38:39You just put all your chips in the middle of the table.
38:42And then the last thing on Montgomery is because, again,
38:45I don't think the move is to fire him now.
38:47And I always think it's good to let coaches, you know, go and
38:52have the chance to, you know, overcome adversity and all that
38:55stuff.
38:56Obviously, if the if the voice isn't hitting in the room, then
38:59you got to make the tough decisions.
39:01But if you're going to fire him, you have to make sure the guy
39:05coming in, like that you have a legitimately better option
39:08coming in.
39:09And, you know, maybe that's Jay Leach, who, you know, was a
39:12head coaching candidate who's been a head coaching candidate
39:15a number of times.
39:16And the organization had for a long time prior to when he went
39:19to Seattle.
39:20He was interviewed for Montgomery's job, you know,
39:23before Montgomery got it, you know, post Cassidy.
39:26If memory serves, he was.
39:28Yeah, he was.
39:29Jay Leach was interviewed for that, I believe.
39:31Right.
39:32He was a candidate.
39:33Yeah.
39:34So, you know, like you got to be sure he's better or Joe Sacco.
39:38Like, you've got to be sure that he's better or if you're going
39:41to do the interim route, which obviously is what they would do
39:44and then kind of make an evaluation in the year.
39:46You got to be sure if it's not one of those two guys that
39:49it's an outside guy who is much better equipped than Montgomery
39:52because what you do not want is you don't want Montgomery
39:55leaving and doing what Bruce Cassidy went and did.
39:58It was with Stanley Cup.
39:59Like, you don't need that again.
40:01You don't want that again.
40:03And you need to make sure that your next guy is better or
40:06provide something.
40:07You know, is he the happy medium between Jim Montgomery being a
40:11players coach and Bruce Cassidy being a hard ass?
40:14Like, what does that look like?
40:16Because as we said earlier, good organizations are not turning
40:20over coaches year after year.
40:22I mean, you know, we make fun of the Leafs all the time and maybe
40:25they should have let Sheldon Keefe go a long time before they
40:28actually did.
40:29But they gave that guy a freaking long leash and there were a lot
40:32of first round exits in there.
40:34And they let him develop and cook and all that and let him go
40:38when they absolutely had to.
40:40Maybe that was the wrong move.
40:42But I think, like, you know, good organizations don't fire
40:45coaches just, you know, willy-nilly.
40:47And I think that's what you have to worry about here is them just
40:51kind of getting trigger happy with it.
40:53Well, and if you were going to make a change, what if you, you
40:58know..
40:59I like this.
41:00I know where this is going.
41:02I know exactly where this..
41:03I think I know where this is going.
41:05I would love to see my friend Jay Leach get it.
41:08But what if they looked outside, you know, the Bruins
41:12organization?
41:13That would be unlike them.
41:14But, you know, I mean, there's coaches out there.
41:18Joel Quindle is out there, right?
41:20I mean..
41:21Oh, I thought you were going to say Mike Sullivan.
41:23I thought you were going the Mike Sullivan route.
41:26That would be a choice.
41:28Yeah, yeah.
41:29But, you know..
41:30Coaching his son-in-law.
41:31That would be, you know, bringing back a guy who was here once
41:36before.
41:37That would be an interesting move.
41:39But yeah, Mike Sullivan, that would be great.
41:41But, you know, somebody from outside, you know, I don't
41:45know.
41:46I don't know what they would do.
41:48I think it makes sense that it would be somebody internal to
41:54start with and maybe an interim tag if it comes to that.
41:58And, you know, I don't want to make it sound like I'm
42:01advocating that.
42:02I think they should stick it out with Monty for, you know, and
42:06see how this plays out.
42:08But, you know, if you've got ownership, you've got to answer
42:13to ownership.
42:14And, you know, the President Cam Neely is, you know, has..
42:19You don't know where he stands on this.
42:21I'm sure he's not happy with the results recently.
42:25But I don't know.
42:28Do you put in an interim coach and see how it turns out the
42:32rest of the year?
42:33I don't know.
42:34Maybe you do.
42:35Or maybe you look outside.
42:37What's that?
42:38Cassidy was interim, right?
42:40Yeah, he was.
42:41Yeah.
42:42Yeah.
42:43So that's probably..
42:44I would think that's the direction they go would be.
42:47And you promote someone on the bench, move him in.
42:50You know, you know there are going to be a lot of fans being
42:54like, what about Patrice Bergeron?
42:56Patrice Bergeron just retired.
42:58Let him be the head coach.
43:00What about Zidane O'Gara?
43:02His head will be over the glass behind him, you know.
43:05That would be classic.
43:06Get Char on the bench.
43:08Chris Kelly.
43:09Andrew Ferentz.
43:10There you go.
43:11Have everybody.
43:12The 2011 team just behind the bench.
43:14Let them run the job.
43:15What's Johnny Boychuck doing these days, you know?
43:18Exactly.
43:19Get Johnny Boychuck behind.
43:21Have him coach the D.
43:22Chris Kelly can be in charge of the forwards.
43:24Char can run the team.
43:25Got to be like a fourth coach.
43:27So, you know, Tuca.
43:29Tuca is the goalie.
43:30Replaces goalie Bob.
43:31It's a 2011 takeover.
43:32That's what it is.
43:33Andrew Ferentz?
43:34Yes.
43:35Yeah.
43:36You know, I think you need a forward.
43:38If it's Boychuck, Char, and Kelly, you do need a forward.
43:41So, Michael Ryder.
43:42What's Michael Ryder up to?
43:44Maybe Michael Ryder wants to jump behind the bench.
43:46So, yeah.
43:47We fixed it.
43:48We fixed the Bruins bench.
43:50Spring 2011.
43:51This is always fun.
43:52We haven't done one of these in a while, so we'll have to do
43:55one again soon.
43:56What can people look forward to from you?
43:58You have a lot of Providence Bruins coverage, I know,
44:00every weekend.
44:01Yeah, I'll be there this weekend.
44:03You know, I've been watching the colleges, of course,
44:05and I'll continue to do that.
44:07But, yeah.
44:08You know, I watched Arizona State, Providence,
44:10last weekend.
44:11That was interesting to see that team.
44:13Arizona State, that is, you know,
44:15going in to play with the big boys in the NCHC this year
44:19for the first time.
44:20And, you know, I'll be there.
44:22And, you know, this weekend on TV or on my laptop,
44:24I'll be watching BU, North Dakota.
44:26That should be a hell of a freaking matchup.
44:28Yeah.
44:29That's a heavyweight bout right there.
44:31That's a heavyweight bout.
44:32That's a heavyweight bout.
44:33That's a heavyweight bout.
44:34That's a heavyweight bout.
44:35That's a heavyweight bout.
44:36That's a heavyweight bout.
44:37That's a heavyweight bout.
44:38That's a heavyweight bout.
44:39That's a heavyweight bout.
44:40That's a heavyweight bout.
44:41That's a heavyweight bout.
44:42That's a heavyweight bout.
44:43That's a heavyweight bout.
44:44That's a heavyweight bout.
44:45That's a heavyweight bout.
44:46That's a heavyweight bout.
44:47That's a heavyweight bout.
44:48That's a heavyweight bout.
44:49He's stupid, but he's finished the matchup.
44:51Yeah.
44:52That's a heavyweight bout right there.
44:54So, you know,
44:55on and on it goes.
44:57We're just getting started here, really.
45:01It is.
45:02It is.
45:03It is that time of year.
45:04Hockey every weekend.
45:06It's every level.
45:08I'll be at hockey events at NUILLEN Sports Center this weekend,
45:13I'll be at, you know, I'll watch obviously Bruin's Leafs and
45:15it's just so many.
45:17But it's fun.
45:18I mean, that's what you and I do.
45:19So, you know, it's great.
45:22Anyways, that's been Bruins Beat this week.
45:24That's Mark Diver.
45:25I'm Evan Marinovsky.
45:26Bruins Beat listeners.
45:27Have a great rest of your week.