On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofsky and Conor Ryan sit down to discuss the current state of the Boston bruins and all the latest news surrounding the team. The offensive struggles have reached a new high, Matt Poitras has been sent down to Providence, Jim Montgomery's job security continues to come into question, and much more!
Topics:
- The Bruins put up zero shots in the third period vs. the Senators
- What’s going wrong?
- Is Jim Montgomery back on the hot seat?
- Matt Poitras sent down mid-podcast
- Why?
- The right kind of spark
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Topics:
- The Bruins put up zero shots in the third period vs. the Senators
- What’s going wrong?
- Is Jim Montgomery back on the hot seat?
- Matt Poitras sent down mid-podcast
- Why?
- The right kind of spark
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00:26I'm Evan Marinovsky.
00:28That's Connor Ryan.
00:30What's up?
00:31Evan.
00:32I'm doing well.
00:33How are you doing?
00:34There was enthusiasm in that.
00:35I was like, oh.
00:36A little, oh.
00:37Yeah.
00:38We're starting off on beer.
00:39And then we're going to talk about the Bruins and it's going to go all the way down.
00:42Well, you know what?
00:43I want to start on a high note.
00:44I want to start on a high note.
00:45I want to give a big congratulations to the Bruins who are a playoff team right now.
00:52Congrats to them.
00:53Seven, seven, and one or two.
00:56They're a playoff team.
00:57They are firmly in the third spot in the Atlantic.
01:00Played the Maple Leafs in the first round.
01:02Shaping up just how we thought it would.
01:05Just how they drew it up, Evan.
01:07It is incredible to me.
01:09And we discuss this every postseason when the matchups are really good in the first round
01:13and then get worse as time goes on.
01:15And I apologize for the congestion.
01:17I was in a rink legitimately all Saturday and Sunday.
01:20So it's just like, this happens.
01:23But we say this every playoffs.
01:25The formatting stinks.
01:26Like, it would be so much better if it was one versus eight.
01:28It's hilarious to me that as of Monday, the Rangers, who have 19 points, are sitting on the outside.
01:33Whereas a team like the Bruins, who have 16, are sitting on the inside.
01:37But they are a playoff team.
01:40Bruins are technically a playoff team right now.
01:43It doesn't feel like that, really, at all.
01:46So, it's been a...
01:48I think people are...
01:49The mood is dull, especially after Saturday's game.
01:52The big return of Lena Solmark.
01:54They hug at center ice in warm-ups.
01:56I was hoping for a fight.
01:57I was hoping that things would get so heated in the game that the goalies would be forced to go at it.
02:01I thought maybe...
02:02Maybe on the table?
02:03I don't know.
02:04Maybe.
02:05It would have been the most exciting thing we saw in that game, Evan.
02:08Well, yeah.
02:09So, maybe you didn't see the game and you're wondering, hey, why was it not so exciting?
02:13It was a 3-2 overtime loss.
02:15Had to be something.
02:16That's because they entered the third period tied 2-2 and proceeded to put zero shots on that.
02:22Which we have consistently said, you know, oh, this is the new low.
02:26Nope, this is the new low.
02:28This, to me, feels like a new low.
02:30To have no shots in a third period where you're tied.
02:35I saw Andrew Raycroft tweet out that I think it was over an hour between shots Lena Solmark faced.
02:40An hour and seven minutes, I want to say.
02:43Again, and as your colleague Kevin-Paul Dupont posted, it hasn't been since 2006 that that has been the case.
02:50Which is, A, incredible research, and B, I believe that was the Dave Lewis Bruins.
02:55Yeah, it's not good when you get compared to that squad.
02:59So, it's not all that great right now with the Bruins, Evan.
03:04No, it's not.
03:05And you wrote a little bit about the third period.
03:08As Jim Montgomery instructed you to do after the game, there was a very, very quick press conference.
03:14And he said, that's up for you guys to figure out and come up with a reason.
03:19We just weren't good enough.
03:21You guys can write what you guys think is the malaise on the team.
03:23And what's going on?
03:25We're just not playing good enough.
03:26So, this is on us.
03:27I actually take this very seriously.
03:29This is on us.
03:30We've got to break this out, Connor.
03:31He said, you know what?
03:32I can't come up with something right now.
03:35Reporters and writers, you guys watch us.
03:38You talk about us.
03:39You put your opinions out there.
03:40It's time for you guys to come up with a solution.
03:42So, this could be our big break.
03:44Yeah.
03:45Are we going to be hired as the next – are we going to be co-coaches of the Bruins?
03:49I don't know.
03:50I hope not.
03:52It goes so poorly.
03:56Anyways, you also mentioned sort of the third period woes have been lasting throughout the season.
04:05Worst third period goal differential in the NHL, minus 11.
04:08Also holding the second worst third period shot differential at minus 41.
04:13So, what do you make of what happened Saturday?
04:17Yeah.
04:18I mean you say it represents a new low.
04:20I also think you look at it like we're going to talk on this podcast obviously about Montgomery
04:25and the hot seat and all that stuff.
04:28I think it's all warranted.
04:30You're still seeing this team be so stop and start in terms of their play.
04:35They have a few encouraging wins.
04:37They take a step back.
04:39You're in this kind of malaise as Jim Montgomery mentions it.
04:42You can talk about the special teams and the lack of adjustments there.
04:47Some of that is on coaching in terms of you're the one mixing up the lines or not mixing up the lines
04:53and things need to be adjusted there.
04:57But I also think there needs to be something where this roster needs to be taken to task
05:03because you can talk about the chemistry and what's there, what isn't, the adjustments that the coaches can make.
05:11There's no strategy or anything like that that warrants zero shots on goal.
05:15That's effort, losing puck battles, and sleeping at the wheel.
05:19Honestly, you and I could step in and put up a third period game plan and it would never come to no shots.
05:26And I'm not saying that's on Montgomery.
05:28That is just horrible play by the players.
05:32Yeah, exactly.
05:33You can draw up whatever you want.
05:35Hockey is still 20 minutes of controlled chaos in which a vulcanized little disc is flying all around the place.
05:44The onus is on the players out there who have played hockey their whole lives to win puck battles,
05:49retrieve it, and get one shot on goal against the opposing goalie.
05:54Listen, I think you look at what's ailing this team.
05:57There's a lot, and Montgomery and the coaching staff are going to be the first ones to take the fall
06:03if seismic change is going to impact this team.
06:08But players themselves have got to look at themselves in the mirror.
06:11You can say whatever you want about the lack of cohesion or the strategy, all those things.
06:17It falls on the players themselves to make plays happen.
06:19And for 20 minutes, there wasn't shit to talk about with how that game went.
06:25What are you going to do there?
06:26Jim Montgomery said he had no answers, and you don't want to hear that from a coach.
06:30That's not great.
06:34What are you doing for those 20 minutes, man?
06:36Jesus.
06:37That truly is the thing where I think he has got to a point where,
06:42obviously, we don't know every single thing he's done behind the scenes.
06:45We are not in the room with him.
06:46But my guess is he's tried everything.
06:48And he has tried everything.
06:49He's tried mixing up the lines and sitting different guys and things like that.
06:54And if it just isn't working, if the messaging is just not getting through
06:58and you're not putting together strings of good games and at least just solid efforts.
07:04Again, if you went out in the third and peppered Lena Solmark and lost,
07:07it's like, all right, well, you tried.
07:09You were there.
07:10You just couldn't finish.
07:11Whatever.
07:14I think he's kind of tried everything at this point.
07:18We are over a month into the year.
07:22We've been asking this question now for a few weeks of,
07:25is Jim Montgomery on the hot seat?
07:27And it's tough because I agree with you in that it ain't his fault
07:31they didn't get a single shot on that in the third period.
07:33It just isn't.
07:34That's on the roster.
07:36And the easy move here for John Sweeney, if this continues,
07:40because again, we are running out of time,
07:42because we are getting close to Thanksgiving.
07:44That is kind of the good measuring stick for postseason,
07:48which again, they're in the playoffs right now.
07:50So Lord knows the easy move would be to fire Jim Montgomery.
07:56You have two guys on the bench who could step right in.
08:00You'd be okay.
08:01You'd be okay.
08:03I'm not saying coaches are dispensable or anything like that,
08:08but it probably would give you a little spark.
08:12But just because it's the easy move, does it make it the right move?
08:15I think everyone just goes up, fire the coach.
08:17The team will be good.
08:18They'll be on their way.
08:19And if the locker room's tuned him out, then that's one thing.
08:22He says they haven't.
08:23Obviously, he's going to say that.
08:24He's not going to say they don't listen to me.
08:27So we won't really know.
08:29But I just come back to are the problems deeper
08:33than just the head coach at this point?
08:35It feels like they are.
08:37Yeah.
08:38I mean, I think, again,
08:39you can talk about however you want to drop the strategy,
08:42anything like that,
08:43but the onus still falls on the players to get pucks on net.
08:47Again, they just need to simplify their game.
08:49They can't even get to that right now.
08:51They're either overthinking things.
08:53They're overpassing.
08:54They're not making the simple smart plays.
08:57They're not crisp with the puck.
08:58Again, it all comes down to,
09:00let's say for the power play, for example, right?
09:03And you can say the Brooms need to change their strategy,
09:05change their approach.
09:07There's still a shit ton of talent on that power play unit.
09:10Naturally, in terms of just what they do best,
09:14you should be able to,
09:15that personnel, regardless of how you drop the plays, whatever,
09:18should not be 30th in the league.
09:20Should not go through,
09:21should not go through,
09:23let's say for the first power play unit,
09:25a minute and 10, a minute and 20 seconds.
09:28Shouldn't have a stretch there in a five and four
09:30where you have zero pucks on net,
09:31or even high danger chances.
09:33They're not even generating looks.
09:35You're not making the goalie go post to post on the power play.
09:39That's not even happening right now.
09:41Lita Somar could have been eating the chicken fingers
09:43out of the Zamponi.
09:44She was pretty much chilling for those 20 minutes.
09:47Again, we'll dive more into it.
09:51Montgomery and those guys and the coaching staff,
09:54they take onus of where they are right now,
09:57but it ain't just them.
09:59We know if they have to make changes,
10:00what it's going to be.
10:02You can't fire the whole team,
10:03but the players themselves have so much more to give
10:06in terms of not just even,
10:08and we can look at the individual guys,
10:10the guys who have one five-on-five goal,
10:13two or three total five-on-five points.
10:15So many guys need to step it up,
10:17but as a collective group,
10:19to go 20 minutes with a shot on goal
10:22without threatening or pushing the pace or anything like that.
10:26I mean, it wasn't even like it was also the whole third period.
10:29I think the last shot on goal before overtime was Kastelik had one,
10:33and it was, I think, 13-13 in the second period.
10:35So there was a whole stretch there
10:38where the Bruins weren't doing much of anything.
10:40So again, who's going to take the fall?
10:44We know what happens if they have to make those moves,
10:47but the players themselves need to step it up here.
10:51Well, that's the thing.
10:53Again, it's funny because they had those two straight goals
10:56within 15 seconds of each other.
10:57It's like, all right, they're cooking.
10:59You build off that,
11:00and I think that's sort of a microcosm of their season so far
11:03of you'll have those one or two good games,
11:06and then there's just nothing after.
11:08That Zaka goal to me on Saturday
11:10was sort of how you want to score those goals
11:13where it's like you're passing it around,
11:14you get a passing lane open down low,
11:16you'll hide a low for it,
11:18and then Zaka on his backhand with his back to the net,
11:21typically you would expect them to pass that puck.
11:23They'd never shoot it.
11:24He just turns and fires it.
11:25It's like that's what you need.
11:27That's what you want,
11:28and they clearly don't do it enough.
11:31I do want to dive more into this Montgomery stuff
11:34because we're back at this.
11:36We're back at it, Connor.
11:37It's like you were at the Garden.
11:38We're back at it just two weeks later,
11:40back at the drawing board,
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13:20So we were gonna do this on Jim Montgomery
13:23and we'll still get into that.
13:25But we always hope that breaking news happens
13:27while we record.
13:29And a little piece of news came out that already,
13:32so we're recording this, it's 2.22 p.m.
13:35Burns tweeted this news at 2.16.
13:37It has 10 retweets and 89 quote tweets,
13:42which is very impressive.
13:44All replies.
13:46The graphic is huge.
13:48They say, like, psych RN.
13:50Is that what the...?
13:51Psych right now.
13:52Yes.
13:53The news is Matt Potrak got assigned to Providence,
13:55which, again, had a really strong training camp,
13:58came out, and the reality is
14:00he's four points in 14 games.
14:02He was sort of the odd man I would practice on Monday.
14:06But he is still very young.
14:08There are developmental advantages to going down,
14:13whether it be playing more,
14:15playing in more situations.
14:17I don't think it's any secret
14:19that he's been getting knocked around here a lot.
14:21Feels like every game he's taking a huge hit.
14:24And I don't think they feel the production's
14:26probably where it needs to be.
14:27They haven't spoken on it yet,
14:28so we don't really know.
14:29But what's sort of your initial reaction to this?
14:31Yeah.
14:33I wouldn't say it's necessarily completely surprising.
14:36I could see why I think Providence is probably not happy,
14:39because, one, he probably was the most consistent player
14:42during camp,
14:43and also you look at where this team has struggled,
14:45and there's been a lot of issues.
14:47We can look at the power play.
14:48We can look at third periods.
14:50Just five-on-five scoring has not been there,
14:52and he's been a guy that has shown
14:54that he has that playmaking poise.
14:57That being said,
14:59I think he's a guy that...
15:01It's kind of what our argument was going into camp, right?
15:04Where it also doesn't hurt
15:05where if you're putting him down there
15:07and he's given time to play
15:1018 to 20 minutes a night
15:12on the top line,
15:14top power play unit,
15:16get rolling a little bit here,
15:18feeling confident about his game,
15:20maybe that helps him
15:21and gets him back up here
15:22as a more poised and confident player.
15:24Maybe it's just a couple of weeks,
15:28get his game going.
15:30I think you can see there's still
15:32learning curves in his game, right,
15:34in terms of...
15:35It feels like he gets rocked every single game
15:37of not putting his head up.
15:39But I think beyond that,
15:41things that probably the Bruins look at
15:43is where he has more room to grow.
15:46It's just what all players,
15:48especially at his age,
15:49have to work on,
15:50which is adding a little bit more muscle.
15:52He does get out-muscled
15:53along the boards quite a bit.
15:55Very crafty, poised player.
15:56We all know that,
15:57but you can see where...
15:59And it's the same thing you see with every player.
16:00Same thing with David Posternak,
16:01who's not a power forward, right?
16:04But his first few years
16:05was getting knocked off the puck very regularly.
16:07And he adds on muscle,
16:10fills out his form,
16:11and he's more attuned and equipped
16:14to handle that physicality at the next level.
16:18Posternak needs to work on that a little bit,
16:20so not surprising there.
16:21But I wouldn't call it a gamble,
16:23but I think you can see both sides of it, right?
16:26The Bruins, I think, see him
16:28as someone that needs to develop a little bit more
16:30and should benefit from more reps down in Providence.
16:33But this is also a team
16:34that it's not like you've got, you know,
16:36Geeky rolling and Frederick rolling
16:38and all these guys.
16:39You can be like,
16:40all right, we're good.
16:41Like, we have the luxury
16:42of putting Potter down in Providence for 20 minutes
16:45where maybe he would best benefit
16:47when already your five-on-five play
16:49isn't all that great.
16:50So you can make either argument
16:52as to what this team needs right now.
16:54But clearly right now,
16:55I think the Bruins think that
16:56Potter needs a little bit more of a reset
16:58and probably more minutes down in Providence.
17:00I'm fine with this for his own development.
17:02Like for his own game at his age,
17:04like that's completely fine.
17:06He's never spent any time down there.
17:08Be great opportunities.
17:09You said play 20 minutes a night,
17:10be the top line center,
17:11like really expand your game,
17:13gain some muscle, all that.
17:16I don't understand it from the team's perspective
17:19because again, like,
17:22he's crafty and he's skilled
17:24and he's so smart
17:26and he's got such good vision
17:28and he protects pucks well.
17:30I mean, he gets knocked off them a lot,
17:32but he can protect them too.
17:33And I just like,
17:36Geeky is not going right now.
17:37So Geeky was on the top line
17:39on Monday at practice.
17:41Trent Frederick has,
17:42I think, seven straight games without a point.
17:46You know,
17:47your secondary guys aren't giving you anything.
17:49And I think that's also why
17:50Potra's production has dipped.
17:52I mean, again, like playing with guys
17:53like Coyle and Frederick and whomever,
17:55like those guys aren't producing either.
17:56So neither is Potra.
17:57It's like Potra's getting even like
17:59secondary assists on anything
18:01because nobody's producing.
18:02So I,
18:03but I don't understand that end of it
18:05where it's like,
18:06you know,
18:07this team could use him.
18:08This team needs him offensively.
18:10And again,
18:11if he comes back in a month or two,
18:12I mean,
18:13I don't know how much bigger he's going to be.
18:14It's mid-season.
18:15He's just yoked.
18:17He's jacked.
18:18He's completely jacked.
18:19Like he's Popeye.
18:21He's just been carbo loading
18:22over at Federal Hill in Providence,
18:24eating pasta every day.
18:26Yes.
18:27Just,
18:28just eating insane amounts of food.
18:31I don't know how that happens now.
18:33I don't.
18:34You want to make the case for all situations.
18:36Go for it.
18:37But again,
18:38like that's what the offseason's for
18:40getting bigger and stronger
18:41and all those things.
18:42So I'm very curious to hear
18:45sort of what the rationale is from the team,
18:47why they did it,
18:48what they think of it.
18:50Because again,
18:51like, you know,
18:52are they,
18:53are they,
18:55what's the,
18:57you know,
18:58what's their next move?
18:59Is Montgomery going all veterans
19:01to maybe potentially save his job?
19:03Like,
19:04I think that's the other part of it too.
19:05Like,
19:06you have Tyler Johnson now.
19:07Do they feel that he's a better fit?
19:08More stable?
19:09Like,
19:10I don't know.
19:11Like,
19:12is Lysel coming up?
19:13I don't think he's coming up.
19:14But,
19:15yeah,
19:16I,
19:17I,
19:18I wonder what the,
19:19the plan is here.
19:20Is it short term,
19:21long term?
19:22I think you can see both sides of it,
19:23right?
19:24And I think,
19:25as you said,
19:26like,
19:27you can easily see both sides,
19:28but I think when you look at the situation,
19:29the Bruins are in,
19:30that's where it's like,
19:32all right,
19:33like,
19:34yeah,
19:35he definitely could use more seasoning Providence,
19:36but they can kind of use him right now
19:38as just a guy that is making plays.
19:40I didn't,
19:41I haven't looked at his numbers recently,
19:43but I know like natural stat trick.
19:45And again,
19:46that's not the be all end all,
19:47but he's got,
19:48I think one of the better course percentages too,
19:50in terms of like the ice is kind of tilted in,
19:52Boston's favor when he's out there.
19:54Like he's,
19:55he's making plays happen.
19:57It's not leading to points necessarily,
19:59but he is like,
20:00you know,
20:01it's not like he's a guy that I think has been a net negative,
20:03but clearly the Bruins think that he has more to give,
20:06or he's better suited for more minutes with Providence right now.
20:10And see how it plays out.
20:12If all of a sudden they go and play a blues team,
20:14that's not all that great.
20:15And they still can't score.
20:17And guys like Geeky and Tyler Johnson and Frederick,
20:20and all these players aren't,
20:22you know,
20:23pulling on the rope.
20:24Then it looks bad in hindsight,
20:26but they clearly think that he needs just more reps down in Providence right
20:30now.
20:31And who knows,
20:32as you said,
20:33maybe he comes back in a few weeks,
20:35he puts up,
20:36you know,
20:3712 points in eight games or something like that.
20:39And it's feeling good about his game.
20:41You bring them up and he hits the,
20:43the ground or the ice running,
20:44right?
20:45Like that's probably what they're hoping for.
20:47But for right now,
20:48it's just been so out of sorts.
20:50He comes back.
20:51He's looking like the dad of the Costco guys,
20:54like big AJ,
20:55just like bringing the boom.
20:57The Bruins should like Bruins should like for a year,
21:01move like their HL team down to like New Orleans.
21:04So it's just all just like heavy.
21:06It's like,
21:07it's like the Zion Williamson diet.
21:08Like all the guys,
21:09Bumbo,
21:10Jambalaya,
21:11they just do that just to bulk up,
21:13but they probably wouldn't work.
21:14Cause I wouldn't,
21:15it wouldn't be like bulked up.
21:16They'd just be like,
21:17yeah,
21:18they'd be the opposite of what you need.
21:19Huge human beings.
21:20But yeah,
21:21I,
21:22this is interesting.
21:23We can continue diving into this Montgomery stuff,
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22:44So I think Patra getting sent down speaks to sort of a bigger
22:48problem with the Bruins.
22:49And we mentioned it before the game time read is that the
22:53secondary scores aren't scoring guys just are playing like
22:56crap.
22:57And it's rubbed off on a guy like Patra who the underlying
23:00numbers support has been good,
23:02but also really hasn't produced much of a whole lot.
23:05And it kind of goes to a bigger thing.
23:08Like,
23:09is this a Montgomery thing?
23:10You know,
23:11is his Jim Montgomery lost the room?
23:13Has he,
23:14are these guys not buying in?
23:16But again,
23:17like I go back to,
23:18you know,
23:19we talked about that third period on Saturday.
23:20Like I don't care who the coach is.
23:23That team's getting a shot on net.
23:25Like that's a team that is too,
23:27that's just out to lunch.
23:28And so again,
23:30I,
23:31to me,
23:32this team needs more of a spark.
23:33This team needs a bigger spark than just we're trading,
23:36not trading.
23:37We're firing the head coach.
23:38Jim Montgomery,
23:39get ready to learn a Winnipeg buddy.
23:41But I think they need a bigger spark.
23:43And to me,
23:44it comes down to making a trade.
23:46It's unconventional.
23:47It's not something they typically done.
23:49You don't see it a lot,
23:50but I go back to sort of the idea of trading guy like Trent
23:54Frederick,
23:55or,
23:56you know,
23:57I know geeky.
23:58I don't know what value he has.
23:59I don't know.
24:00I don't know.
24:01I don't know.
24:02I don't know.
24:03I don't know.
24:04I don't know.
24:05I don't know.
24:06Or,
24:07you know,
24:08I know geeky.
24:09I don't know what value he has right now.
24:10Like,
24:11I think Trent Frederick has some value.
24:12You can get something for it.
24:13And I also think it's sort of a little bit of a punishment to the
24:15room of like,
24:16you know,
24:17you guys want to keep playing here.
24:18You guys love Boston so much.
24:19You love this group.
24:20Well,
24:21goodbye.
24:22Like one's gone.
24:23We're putting in someone,
24:24you know,
24:25we're trading Trent Frederick,
24:26um,
24:27as sort of a,
24:28you know,
24:29smack in the ass.
24:30And so I just,
24:31to me,
24:32I think that makes more sense,
24:34um,
24:35harder to do.
24:36Probably a lot of blowback from that,
24:38but,
24:39you know,
24:40just firing the head coach.
24:41And I don't know.
24:44I don't know.
24:45What do you think?
24:46I mean,
24:47I think it was,
24:48maybe you do both.
24:49Maybe you do both.
24:50Right.
24:51I mean,
24:52I think it was Ty Anderson mentioned this a few weeks ago.
24:53I think it was like the,
24:54Oh,
24:55it's the Oh nine,
24:5610 season.
24:57I mean,
24:58it was the Oh eight Oh nine season where they started off pretty
24:59slow and surely just traded Chuck Kobus.
25:01He was just like,
25:02all right,
25:03then send the message across.
25:04Like,
25:05and again,
25:06like it wasn't an integral part of the team.
25:08Right.
25:09But still,
25:10as a guy that's been in for a couple of years,
25:11solid guy.
25:12Um,
25:13and you move them as kind of a shot across the bow.
25:14Chuck Kobus.
25:15What a name.
25:16So,
25:17but that was,
25:18I think one of those really like a trait early on in the year
25:20where it's kind of like,
25:21Hey,
25:22you guys got to get your shit in order.
25:23Right.
25:24And again,
25:25that could be something that it's a geeky or Frederick or
25:27someone like that.
25:28It sends a message,
25:29right?
25:30This is a,
25:31uh,
25:32you know,
25:33a team that has been anchored by,
25:35you know,
25:36veteran leadership and the culture in the room and the
25:38chemistry and the camaraderie and all those things.
25:40Well,
25:41if you're playing like this,
25:42you're not going to have a solid room.
25:44If you're going to have your GM moving players.
25:46I'm not saying also you trade a guy just to say you're
25:48doing it.
25:49Like,
25:50again,
25:51if it's a guy like geeky value,
25:52isn't all that great right now,
25:53but like Frederick,
25:54you could probably get something for them.
25:55Like,
25:56uh,
25:57I know when it was mentioned last week when Kevin weeks,
25:59uh,
26:00drop that kind of rumor on social media about them.
26:02It's like,
26:03could you get a Tanner Janot kind of return for a
26:05guy like that?
26:06When he's kind of a similar skillset,
26:08uh,
26:09got a shit ton of picks for a guy like Janot in
26:11that situation.
26:12So you probably could get something.
26:14I don't think the Bruins want to move a guy like
26:16Frederick,
26:17but if it's like the shakeup you need,
26:20maybe that is a situation.
26:21The Bruins,
26:22uh,
26:23do address.
26:24I still feel like they look at the coach first.
26:26That's usually how it works when these things happen.
26:29But again,
26:30like it's,
26:31you can't fire the whole team,
26:33right?
26:34But if things continue to stagnate,
26:36and as you,
26:37again,
26:38like I,
26:39I look at that game on Saturday and yes,
26:41like it feels like rock bottom for quite a few
26:44guys.
26:45And Montgomery doesn't have the answers and it's not
26:47great,
26:48but I'm more looking at like the players after a
26:50game like that.
26:51Like,
26:52is that it?
26:53Is that,
26:54is that what you're,
26:55you're showcasing here when like,
26:56you're just trying to find traction and you don't
26:58you're,
26:59you put it on cruise control for 20 minutes.
27:01Like that's where I think,
27:03yeah,
27:04the players themselves need to step up in this situation.
27:06Maybe it does require a roster tweak or two.
27:10Like,
27:11I don't,
27:12I,
27:13you hope that moving Potter wasn't the,
27:14the wake up call there.
27:15Cause I still feel like he's the guy that helps
27:16your team.
27:17But,
27:18uh,
27:19you know,
27:20maybe that is the next kind of Avenue done.
27:21Sweeney and his staff have to take in terms of
27:22waking this team up because it's,
27:24again,
27:25it's way too much stop and start.
27:26Like we just,
27:27how many times have they had a,
27:28a good win,
27:29uh,
27:30you know,
27:31a good stretch here or there.
27:32You're like,
27:33all right,
27:34getting back on track,
27:35feeling good away.
27:36They are not perfect,
27:37not a 60 minute effort,
27:38but wins a win trending in the right direction.
27:39And then you have that game against Ottawa.
27:41And it's like,
27:42all right,
27:43back to the drawing board,
27:44I guess like something needs to change.
27:46Well,
27:47that's the thing.
27:48And that's why,
27:49like,
27:50you know,
27:51I think people,
27:52I haven't,
27:53I at least have not yet said like they should
27:54fire Montgomery or they shouldn't.
27:55I haven't talked about it.
27:56And I think one of the reasons that I'm having
27:58such a tough time,
27:59you know,
28:00getting to that point of being like,
28:02yep,
28:03they need to fire them is because so much of
28:05this is player driven.
28:06And so much of it is the player's fault.
28:08And I know that when that's the case,
28:10that's the coach that usually goes,
28:12I understand that the logical move here and
28:14what some might assume is the next move is
28:16to just fire Jim Montgomery.
28:17But I don't,
28:18I,
28:19I think the problem does run deeper than that.
28:21I mean,
28:22again,
28:23when you're getting no shots in the third
28:24quarter,
28:25you have no five on five score and your
28:27power play stinks.
28:28You're,
28:29you know,
28:30like,
28:31yeah,
28:32coach could come in and change a few things
28:33stylistically.
28:34And we've talked about those things.
28:35I mean,
28:36shooting the puck more.
28:37Montgomery did move Hampus Lindholm to the
28:38top power play unit on Monday at practice.
28:40Maybe that is a,
28:41you know,
28:42another kind of gasp at trying something like,
28:44but a lot of it's just,
28:46you know,
28:47lack of effort,
28:48not winning board battles,
28:50like not getting to loose pucks.
28:53You know,
28:54stupid penalties,
28:56like offensive zone penalties.
29:00And that's why I think this team needs to
29:02sort of be threatened with like,
29:03Hey,
29:04we're going to kick you off the island.
29:05Like,
29:06I think that it's absolutely a fair thing
29:09to do.
29:10And,
29:11you know,
29:12I think maybe you see both,
29:13maybe you see both.
29:14And then there's also the element of,
29:16and I don't see,
29:17cause I was thinking about this as we were
29:18talking about this being like,
29:20you know,
29:21we're still in the playoffs.
29:23They haven't been this average in a long time.
29:25Maybe we're just overreacting,
29:27but I don't think we are because no shots
29:30in the third period is dreadful up and down
29:33play.
29:34Just as all the things I just mentioned are
29:36not,
29:37you know,
29:38overreacting that stuff stinks like that is
29:40bad hockey.
29:41By the way,
29:42I did look up that Chuck Kobus who trade,
29:44this is from a bleacher report article in
29:46October 19th,
29:472009.
29:48I was,
29:50I was in fifth grade.
29:51I think I was in fifth grade.
29:53So,
29:54uh,
29:55the Bruins and Minnesota wild pulled off a
29:57trade,
29:58Craig Weller,
29:59a second round pick and the rights to
30:01prospect Alexander Falstrom to the Bruins for
30:03Kobus,
30:04who I wonder what that second round pick
30:06ended up being.
30:07Um,
30:08yeah.
30:09Ninth pick the Bruins holding the first.
30:11Yeah.
30:12The second round pick second round draft
30:14pick represents the ninth pick the Bruins
30:16holding the first or second rounds of the
30:182010 and the 2011 draft.
30:20Um,
30:21and then they mentioned,
30:22uh,
30:23with all those,
30:24this writer,
30:25I don't know who it is.
30:26His name is Anthony Emerson.
30:28All those are Ryan.
30:29His name is Connor Ryan.
30:30Oh,
30:31it's Ty Anderson.
30:32Uh,
30:33with all those draft picks in the Bruins
30:35possession,
30:36the Bruins might try and pull off a bigger
30:38move.
30:39One name I've heard is Ilya Kovalchuk.
30:41Kovalchuk is among the best players in the
30:43NHL.
30:44So he was at the thrashers.
30:45Um,
30:46Bruins could send no more than four of
30:48those.
30:49Uh,
30:50oh,
30:51he mentioned Marco Sturm,
30:52which actually ended up happening.
30:53Sturm got traded.
30:54I think the beginning of the next year.
30:55So yeah,
30:56no Kovalchuk.
30:57It didn't end up happening.
30:58Kovalchuk to the Bruins.
30:59Never,
31:00never came to fruition.
31:01Um,
31:02I just,
31:03I'm,
31:04I'm not there yet with,
31:05uh,
31:06with,
31:07uh,
31:08firing Montgomery.
31:09I'm not quite there yet.
31:10I see it.
31:11I understand it.
31:12I would not be shocked if it happens.
31:13I'm like,
31:14every time I check my phone and I see I
31:15have a Bruins tweet notification,
31:16I'm waiting for that to be the thing.
31:17I just don't know if it's the right
31:18move.
31:19Uh,
31:20right.
31:21And you might,
31:22again,
31:23like if they fired him,
31:24uh,
31:25you might see them,
31:26you know,
31:27win for their next five.
31:28But again,
31:29I wonder what are they after those,
31:30that little burst?
31:31What are they after?
31:32If they're,
31:33if they're great,
31:34then like,
31:35all right,
31:36perfect.
31:37Like that's,
31:38that was the right move.
31:39Good job,
31:40Don Sweeney,
31:41but boom,
31:42but I don't know.
31:43I'm not fully confident that that's,
31:44that that is the,
31:45the answer yet.
31:46We could,
31:47I mean,
31:48I'm,
31:49I was going to get into some Lena Solmark
31:50stuff real quick.
31:51Um,
31:52I guess we'll do it here.
31:53Um,
31:54obviously Omar back in Boston,
31:56uh,
31:57I think you and Ty covered this pretty
31:58good last week on,
32:00um,
32:01poke the bear.
32:02So I don't want to,
32:03you know,
32:04rehash all that.
32:05Um,
32:06but one thought I had was like with
32:07their,
32:08you know,
32:09average start,
32:10is there a case to be made that they
32:11just should never even traded Lena
32:12Solmark of that?
32:13You have the two goalie tandem again.
32:14And my answer to that is no,
32:15you did the right thing.
32:16You traded him.
32:17You did the right thing.
32:18If they had ever kept him,
32:19there would have been a revolt.
32:20And we know what that would have
32:22looked like.
32:23Um,
32:24so I,
32:25I'm not like that.
32:26I'm,
32:27I assume you're in the same camp.
32:28I am on that.
32:29Yeah.
32:30And I mean,
32:31also,
32:32you know,
32:33Don Sweeney mentioned it like both
32:34guys wanted to play 50 plus games
32:35next year.
32:36Like even lane,
32:37Lena Solmark,
32:38and some of the time mentioned that
32:39was kind of lost in the shuffle last
32:40year is during the playoffs when it
32:41was clear that Jeremy's frame was
32:42going to get all the starts the rest
32:43of the way.
32:44All marks.
32:45Like,
32:46yeah,
32:47there's some days that are better
32:48than others in terms of his approach.
32:49Like dude,
32:50as much as listen,
32:51they're,
32:52they're best buds.
32:53They got the hug.
32:54They're both also hyper competitive
32:55professional athletes.
32:56You take a lot of pride in their
32:57respective games.
32:58All marks,
32:59a guy that has a Vesna on his
33:00resume,
33:01right?
33:02Like there's still a guy that,
33:03yes,
33:04before this is still a guy that,
33:05um,
33:06wants the net like,
33:07and it's a great partnership,
33:08but something had to give this year.
33:09And again,
33:10like,
33:11I think the Bronze,
33:12you look at setting up,
33:13you know,
33:14a Swainman to be your franchise goalie,
33:15freeing up the money to,
33:16you know,
33:17sign him to an extension,
33:18freeing up money to,
33:19uh,
33:20address other needs in the off season,
33:21all that played into it.
33:22But the end of the day,
33:23it just wasn't feasible having both
33:24those guys in there.
33:25So I couldn't see any situation in
33:26which you roll,
33:27roll back those two guys.
33:28Even if you have both guys in that
33:29this year,
33:30that's great.
33:31And you're probably not seven,
33:32seven and two,
33:33but are you,
33:34you know,
33:35are,
33:36are you 14?
33:37Are you the,
33:38what are you,
33:39are you the,
33:40are you the,
33:41are you the Winnipeg Jets 14,
33:42one and whatever they are,
33:43right?
33:44Like,
33:45I don't think that's the case because
33:46you're still not scoring goals.
33:47So I think that also plays into it.
33:48Well,
33:49Lena Solmark goal score.
33:50True.
33:51I don't know.
33:52Maybe it gives you something.
33:53Um,
33:54yeah,
33:55it's a weird time.
33:56And again,
33:57like just to roll over Bruins are in
33:58St.
33:59Louis Tuesday night.
34:00Uh,
34:01then they move on to play at Dallas.
34:02That's not an easy game.
34:03Um,
34:04and then they're home again against
34:05St.
34:06Louis on Saturday.
34:07Um,
34:08I don't know.
34:10Um,
34:11again,
34:12I just,
34:13I wonder how those go.
34:14And I wonder if we're sitting here in a
34:15week or even at the end of the week
34:17with a very different landscape,
34:19whether it be,
34:20they won a bunch of games or J
34:22leeches,
34:23the head coach.
34:24Like I,
34:25I,
34:26that's why it is.
34:27It's an interesting time for us
34:28because we've never had this before.
34:30Cassidy was sort of out of the blue.
34:31Yeah.
34:32Um,
34:33they've always been really good while
34:34we've done this.
34:35So it's usually like,
34:36you know,
34:37November 11th,
34:38you know,
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