On this episode of Poke the Bear, Evan Marinofsky and Conor Ryan talk about what lies ahead for the Bruins and Jeremy Swayman as a deal has yet to be reached, and if the time has come for Bruins fans to worry. Plus, Conor discusses his conversation with Charlie Coyle, and much more!
- Swayman speaks
- Reading the tea leaves
- How much will this contract be?
- Charlie Coyle wants more responsibility
- Who are the top prospects to watch outside of the NHL/AHL?
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- Swayman speaks
- Reading the tea leaves
- How much will this contract be?
- Charlie Coyle wants more responsibility
- Who are the top prospects to watch outside of the NHL/AHL?
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00:28Terms apply. I am Evan Maranofsky. That is Connor Ryan Connor. What is up?
00:34Evan I'm doing well. How you doing doing great doing great
00:38Just had two full days at the Foxboro Sports Center watching fall hockey. So hockey's back. We're back seasons back
00:45That's like the first my first sign
00:47captain's practices our next week, so
00:51happy
00:52Praise the Lord that is good
00:55As we used to say it's CCD when I was little God is good all the time all the time. God is good
01:00So, thank you. God. Thank you Bruins. Thank you hockey for coming back into the fold
01:07It is exciting. It's an exciting time
01:11Just in terms of we're almost out of August. We're almost there. We've almost made it
01:17And it feels like fall. I mean kids are back in school
01:20So, I mean I just I know yeah, I know today's hot but
01:25That's doesn't matter fall fall is here. We're almost there again as we said before Evan like
01:31you just hope we don't get into the middle of September early October and it's still like
01:3581 degrees or something like that. Um, yeah, I'm ready for it to be like 60 right now. I'm ready
01:40I am already I went to Dunkin today. I got my pumpkin swirl my cold brew
01:45I'm ready for sweatshirt and shorts weather. I'm ready. Bring it on. I have to ask
01:51How was the gold Raising Cane's?
01:54Let me tell you it was I look at where my first experience at Raising Cane's on
02:01ComAv at Boston University, I will say
02:05The founder of Raising Cane's was there and called it the University of Boston, which I was like, oh
02:10I mean, he could have called it Boston College could have called the College of Boston
02:15So University of Boston makes it fun. It's like rendis. That's not the name
02:20but
02:22You look at where I think most of us been exposed to that Raising Cane's on ComAv this one covered in gold
02:30It was quite the experience. Yeah drew holiday there. You had David Ortiz. You had a little lab
02:35It was like like the classic like because like Raising Cane like cane is named after the owners like dog was like a lab
02:42Oh, I thought like a
02:44Science lab. I was like, what are you talking about? No. No, what are they like making the sauce in front of you with like
02:52You don't want to know how the secret sauce is made but no it's not I thought you worried that I was saying like
02:57Cane like the wrestler. I'm like, no, he was not it wasn't true holiday cane and then David Ortiz
03:03No, I a little now I get it. I'm a Labrador retriever. He's very cute
03:08One of those labs like a big like blockhead, you know, those those guys I think I saw it
03:14Was that the video you tweet earlier? Yes, the random dog that I posted on to yes, that was
03:20Dog there's nothing wrong with that. I got this
03:24More we should do it more
03:26But that was probably the highlight was the dog. But yes, it was good good to be out and about
03:31It's always an eventful day when your assignment is to go to Raising Cane's at 8 in the morning to see David Ortiz and through
03:37Holiday, but it was fun
03:39Did you at least get like free chicken?
03:41I mean, I didn't stay to see if they were gonna offer a free chicken because I'll be honest like I listen
03:46I love Raising Cane's. I don't really want Raising Cane's at like 9 in the morning. That's true
03:52That's true. It was one time
03:54I was out in Arizona and with a few of my buddies and again, I'll be you guys
03:59We love Raising Cane's so we saw out in Phoenix is like 25 Raising Cane's. I don't know
04:04I don't know why they're all out in Phoenix for some reason and like they open at like 7 a.m
04:09so we had to get up early because we're doing like a like a hiking trip and
04:14All right, they're open at 7 a.m. You have to imagine it's kind of like, you know chick-fil-a one of these things
04:19Maybe they got like chicken biscuits or something like that. We strolled in. I am right as they open
04:24They look shell-shocked that were
04:28Fuck with your backpacks and like you're walking sticks. Yeah
04:32Turns out it's great chicken tenders. Like that's all they do like 7 a.m. It's like I have
04:38Texas toast
04:40fried chicken
04:41So we had that at like 7 in the morning
04:44It was still good, but I had a little bit of a rumbly in my tumbly the rest of the day
04:48Yeah, that who says yeah, um, is that does the one-on-com have open at 7 a.m
04:55I don't think so. So we were rattled. Well, it's gonna open this early
04:59There's maybe or maybe it's like a secret menu like in an out burger
05:02No, they stick with what they got and it's it's friggin chicken tenders and they're great. That's time. It's 7 a.m
05:08It's it's it's not
05:11Necessarily what I really want that early in the morning. No, it isn't
05:14Oh, that's like fried chicken too with the cane sauce at 7 a.m. Like 7 p.m. Sign me up
05:20I like strap me and I love that but 7 a.m
05:23We have like a four-hour drive from like Phoenix up to like Flagstaff right after that, too
05:28So I just there's gurgling in your tummy the whole time
05:33Dangerous man, that is such a risk
05:39Raising Cain's sponsorship, but I had a great time there Evan that poor car
05:44anyways
05:46Windows had to be down on the road. Yes
05:49Anyways
05:51something else that stinks
05:55These the Jeremy Swayman contract negotiations now are heating up a great segue are heating up
06:01Season is about your you know training camp everything about to start and Jeremy Swayman went on the shut up mark
06:09Podcast which I actually watched the video of I believe they're sponsored by Dave's hot chicken
06:13so we're just
06:19You know what I'm just glad we have something to talk about this stage of the offseason
06:22So let's talk about let's add Zaxby's after a couple of the other ad reads and we'll do that
06:26Yep, you'll do Zaxby's Bojangles Bojangles. Yes Bojangles
06:32Which I heard they actually have pretty good food at Bojangles. I enjoy I've never been spending most
06:38I don't enjoy like going down to the parts of the country in which there's readily available Bojangles
06:45But the food itself is pretty good. That's that's good. I've never had it. So I'll have to try it
06:50Anyways, sway more on the shut up mark podcast
06:52and was asked basically
06:55How is this all going? How are you feeling about it this and that and he said quote
06:59If you were to ask me that question a year ago, I would answer truthfully and say it's scary
07:04It's a lot of resentment towards people that you want to succeed
07:06And when you're not being compensated for your endless efforts
07:09It's a nerve-wracking feeling because it's your family you're fighting for the answer
07:13I'm gonna give you this year is that I've educated myself. I understand the business side of it all
07:17It's given me a complete new mindset of understanding the business and how to react to it
07:21I understand the cap is going up and where it will be in years
07:24I understand my comparables and how I can't ruin the goalie market for guys that are gonna be in my shoes
07:29Down the line. I went to the School of Business for the University of Maine
07:32And I love the business side of it. All those were sort of the big quotes
07:36He gave a pretty long answer to those guys on that
07:41Lot to take away from that. There's a lot in there. I think that is worth us, you know picking apart
07:47I
07:49You know what when you say you understand the business like that to me is sort of where like I don't
07:55Know if anyone truly understands the ins and outs of it
08:00Understand where he's coming from and that he went through a you know, crappy arbitration hearing last year. I get that end of it, right
08:06Kind of, you know going through not something similar, but you know, you're back in the negotiating table a year later
08:12I like the confidence. I like the confidence
08:17Did any of this worry you I
08:20Mean listen, first of all as we reiterate time and time again Evan. This is a pro getting the bad getting the bag
08:28Podcast
08:29that being said I
08:31Am very curious to see how this plays out in terms of what exactly?
08:35Swayman and his camp are looking for in terms of an annual payout, right?
08:38So I think that's probably the biggest question mark and is looking at what that final number is going to be
08:44You have to imagine that the Bruins especially they're paying a premium on this guy want to sign him long term at this point
08:51But yeah, it all comes down to you know, are we talking?
08:55Seven seven and a half just we feel like we were going to be in
08:58You know made when the season ended where he really kind of elevated his stock to are we looking at like nine, right?
09:05I mean, I know Debbie a rich Keefe mentioned that he was that swim was asking for ten
09:10I don't think he's getting that I think what ten is what Bobrovsky makes now and I think only carry price makes more obviously
09:17Price isn't playing but you're kind of putting yourself in a different stratosphere. I think you're doing ten
09:22But so is it you fall in between of looking at like eight and a half million and again like
09:28Swayman mentioning these things like I
09:31Think him talking about the fact that the cap is going up the fact that he has to you know
09:35His contract is going to impact this goalie market
09:38Which we've talked about time and time again, right in terms of looking at what guys like just are gonna gonna make and what you know
09:45Guys like Jake Ottinger are gonna make like that makes sense
09:48And it makes sense why him and his agent are you know
09:51That's on their mind as they kind of negotiate through this
09:55ongoing kind of contract stalemate
09:57But if you're Bruins fan, I think it does kind of head home the fact that yeah
10:01This isn't going to be the days of like the the hometown discounts are probably at an end
10:06Especially when you have this guy that oh, yeah when you look at
10:10You know him being very vocal about the arbitration and how much he hated that when you add in, you know him
10:16Trying to reset the market for goalies when you've got so many good young
10:20Talented net minders that are are doable and do a pay raise the next couple of years
10:26Kind of I think just more or less hammers home that it's gonna be a pretty steep price. The Bruins are going to pay here
10:32I'm not saying that I'm like a negative that I don't think it's going to be 10 million
10:35But it feels like now like the floors what eight and a half and if you're the Bruins and you get this guy
10:41For that kind of you know, you set the floor there. Maybe that stings for right now
10:45But again, if you're banking on
10:48You know last year and the promise he showed being kind of the first step as he continues to establish himself
10:53Maybe that's worth it
10:55But I'm sure the Bruins probably went into this not expecting that, you know
10:57Maybe it's gonna end up being eight years and around 70 million total if you're looking at eight and a half per year
11:04I mean again, I understand the cap is going up and where it will be in years
11:09I
11:10Understand my comparables and how I can't ruin the goalie market for guys that are gonna be in my shoes down the line
11:16That's a guy who's gonna be asking for a lot of money and are the Bruins willing to give that there?
11:22I feel like they're gonna have to I mean, you know, yes, you have Jonas Corpo solo there
11:26I get it who's in any an NHL goalie can fill in, you know for stretches we think has done that in the past
11:34But you're gonna have to give something the Bruins are gonna have to give on this a little bit
11:38And you wonder how much Swain inside is gonna give right like
11:42Are they gonna go below eight and a half as you just said
11:47That's the end of it. We're like, you know, it's nice to hear him this open
11:51You know to hear that like, you know, he's actively to acknowledge that he understands
11:57You're not just getting a good price for you
12:00But you're making sure that other goalies around the league as you mentioned Otten Drescher Sturcken are gonna get that kind of money
12:05You know, is he in that here yet like we think his projection has him in that tier
12:12Right, but is he there yet?
12:14Not really like again, and I'm not trying to disparage Jeremy Swain
12:18And we are pro getting the bag and that you know good get as much money as you can
12:23But at the same time like are you are you with?
12:25She's stirking it and I get what he means in the sense that like when she's stirken and Otten Drescher go for their next deals
12:31They'll get more like that, you know, they want you know, Swainman to be the floor, you know, so I mean gets nine
12:35Well, then I'm just gonna make ten ten and a half. She's Turkin's gonna make, you know, eleven or whatever it is
12:40So I get that
12:42but
12:43You know, he's been in a tandem the last three years like that's where you know, and I think again
12:48It's not trying to hit on it's not trying to you know, knock him down or anything like that
12:51But that's the reality of it
12:53And I think that's where the that's what the Bruins have on their side is like dude
12:57We think you're gonna be great, but you you know, it's not like you played 60 games each the last three years and we're outstanding
13:03You played, you know right now the number, you know, 44 games last year 30s. Yeah, 44 37 41 and 44 is the high
13:11like
13:13Like to me that's where you know
13:16I think his side has to be careful too and I get asked for as much as you want
13:20I agree, but he's that's why I think we've said eight million
13:23I agree, but he's that's why I think we've said eight million all along. We've said, you know, seven and a half stuff like that
13:30That's realistic. That's a lot more than maybe what he's given you
13:34Whereas ten nine like you hope he becomes a ten million dollar a year goalie, but we don't quite know that yet
13:41So yeah, I think that's gonna be something they have to kind of navigate
13:45Yeah
13:45And it's kind of like even look at like the comparables like a guy like Ilya Sorokin right who I think is making eight to five
13:51Like again swimming like again, it really helped his case of how great he was in the playoffs
13:56But yeah, so we're gonna guy that Sorokin is a guy that has played 50 plus games 60 games
14:01Has been a Vesna finalist
14:03He's got the individual numbers as well that you look at his age and what he's done
14:07Just from an individual lens and you can see why they've come to giving him a 8.25
14:12And again, yeah, you run into the thing of you know, swimming doesn't like the comparables
14:16I didn't like arbitration in which it's
14:18Essentially a team bringing up a power point as to why you suck or why your values not where it is, right?
14:24But that's kind of the business of it. So I get the Bruins perspective
14:28I think even came nearly mentioned, you know swimming's only had you know, 40 plus starts
14:32He was on the Richard and leave show and kind of mentioned that so you can see from the Bruins perspective why?
14:37Hey, you're due for a pay bump. We think your franchise goalie. We're gonna give you a bump, but it's not going to be
14:44Nine and a half ten million, right?
14:46It's almost like if you like the you know, not to you know hit a raw nerve here, but it's like the Red Sox
14:53Had like Mookie Betts and it was like before he was like an MVP candidate like let's say like
14:582017 he had that one really good year and you can see he was a budding superstar and Betts was like I want 350 million
15:04so I know like we'll give you like a
15:06180 we'll give you like a nice contract to keep you a long term
15:09But you're projecting maybe three or four years down the road as opposed to right now, you know
15:15I think you're kind of hitting that where I think
15:17Swayman's viewing kind of the long term and again, he's banking on himself that hey if you want to give me 10 million now
15:23it's gonna look great in a couple years, but
15:24The Bruins is like probably need a more of a symbol size where we commit that much of our cap
15:29And again, it could look better over time, but it feels like eight and a half million
15:33Hits on you know paying what swimming what he's do it gives him long-term security. It resets the goalie market
15:40That's kind of the running rate
15:41I think there's only five goalies making over 6.2 million right now per year
15:45So that does kind of reset things but we'll kind of see how it all plays out again
15:50I'm not hitting the panic button not going to DEF CON 1 or anything like that
15:53I just I think hammers home that there's a lot of factors in play and that I
15:57Think you're looking at at least eight eight and a half is kind of the floor now
16:01Or like the maybe the the sweet point in terms of where these negotiations
16:06Hopefully go moving forward
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18:12I understand the cap is gonna be up or is going up and where it will be in years
18:16I do wonder with that if he and and this is something I mentioned throughout the summer
18:22Could do a shorter term deal where it's sort of like you mentioned with the Mookie Betts thing where it's like, okay
18:26Sign me for a couple years
18:27I'll prove to you in those three or four years that I'm worth whatever the cap is at that time
18:32I'm worth near the max for a goalie
18:35which again is a
18:37Gamble on his part. That's a gamble on the Bruins part
18:40I
18:41Also wonder if they go that route if they do a shorter term deal here
18:45You know as we've said the COVID, you know, the COVID effects have on the cap still are a little bit felt
18:51But the cap is moving up
18:53Supposed to move up even more the next, you know, three four or five years
18:56He knows that obviously
18:58So I do wonder if this means a shorter term deal is legitimately in play because I feel like every time we've mentioned that it's like
19:04Oh, maybe you know, it's an option, but probably not
19:08Long-term always felt like the the move. I
19:11Don't know now now
19:13I think that might legitimately be on the table if that gets him eight and a half if they get if the Bruins get their
19:18Price right because if the price is gonna be eight eight and a half and that makes the most sense for them
19:23And then but the term makes the most sense for sway man in the sense that hey you get these four years and then we're gonna
19:27See where the cap is down the road
19:28Maybe that is how they come to an agreement and make sure this doesn't roll into the regular season
19:34Yeah
19:35I mean if that if it really hits a point where that is the stalemate and swimming is so you know looking to bank in
19:40And make double digits in a couple of years. Maybe that's the risky run
19:45I feel like it's just it was like it'd be like a pyrrhic victory for the Bruins, right?
19:49Where do you get this deal done? You have this guy locked in but man
19:52It's not as fun when you have this goalie that if he lives up to his billing and again
19:56Maybe it's a great problem to have if he flames out then you he's off the books on a couple years
20:01You move on from it, but it's not good for the future at the franchise, right?
20:04If if this is a guy that becomes a perennial Vesna candidate
20:09Per the Bruins probably don't like the fact that the caps going up. That's great
20:13but instead of having that extra flexibility to add another top six option to be in the running if
20:19Screw it if dry sidle hits for agency next year instead of like that
20:22You gotta look down the line be like shit. You gotta give
20:26Swingman's gonna be like he's playing himself in line for 10 11, you know down the road
20:31Like what happens when just Erkin?
20:32It's a free agency in a couple years and he gets 11 and a half and all sudden the year before that
20:37you know that free agency if
20:40Swingman's a UFA at that point and has the flexibility need he finishes second or wins the Vesna
20:46What's he gonna be do right like again, that's maybe you kick the can down the road
20:50but it does feel like if you're the Bruins you want to just kind of
20:52Tie this up in a bow and get it over with so maybe you know
20:57The sides hit the point where you have to kind of settle for that
21:01But doesn't seem like that's a situation that really benefits anyone right like unless it's Swingman and he's
21:06Confident of getting a bigger payday
21:08But again a whole lot of risk involved if you're trying to do another bridge deal and just banking on
21:12What you have moving forward I also think like
21:16He's not the first guy to have this
21:18to sign a contract like
21:22And I don't mean to sound like a dick
21:24but every player when they sign their long-term deal understands that as
21:28The cap goes up in a salary cap league that lead that money probably will look cheaper. That's just how it works
21:35that's how it's always worked with every contract ever and I
21:39Respect players who want to bet on themselves and make relative to what they're worth
21:44I totally I totally get it and I support it. But like I
21:48Also look at it and say well if you sign it, like if you want long-term stability in one place
21:54You're gonna have to accept
21:56maybe that in year five when you are the
22:00Vesna winner and you're making eight and a half nine million dollars and there are three or four other goalies making more than you
22:06that's just the way it is and
22:09I know that sucks. But like that just that's the way it works. So I know they come to an agreement long-term. I
22:16Still stand by my thing of they're gonna get an agreement done
22:19I think it happens either right before camp or a few days into it
22:24They don't want this lingering over them. They really don't and you also don't want him not to be on the ice
22:32That's the other thing like you need him to have a full training camp. This is a big year for him
22:36You know, even if he signs that long-term deal he is the guy this is the first year that he is the starter so
22:44That's the other part of it where like you need his mind clear of this as soon as humanly possible so
22:51again, as you said not time to hit DEF CON 1 but
22:56Well something
22:58Well something, you know makes you a little sweat starts to come down the forehead
23:02But again, I think I think everything will be hopefully okay in the long run if it's not we're gonna have a lot to talk
23:07About so maybe you know, you sure will
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24:54So Connor you caught up with Charlie Coyle this week. Not quite a triathlon. It was at the Bruins Fan Fest event in Plymouth
25:00There was no swimming. No running. No biking. She was a rock. Oh
25:06That's right. Yes Plymouth Rock. So you did get to see that it did get to see Plymouth Rock
25:11But you spoke with Coyle and he mentioned kind of, you know reflecting back on last year looking ahead to this year
25:17And one thing he mentioned was, you know taking on more responsibility last year
25:20And then there was interesting part of his quote where he mentioned wanting more responsibility this year wants to continue to garner up
25:27More opportunity things like that and I'm sitting there going. Okay. Well, he he was on the power play. I was in second unit
25:35PK big PK guy
25:39Second line center put up 60 points
25:42What's the next bit of responsibility for him because Lindholm is there?
25:47Ideally so that you can keep him as as sort of you know
25:50That next tier of guy where it's like we don't need to give you a lot extra just thrive at what you do
25:56Figure out what you do exactly all summer to think of this
26:00Big I think you should leave reference. Yes, and people are thinking like wow, he's really ripping Charlie Coyle. He's uh, you know
26:07Ripping the fact that he wants more responsibility. But like what else is there for him to do?
26:12Yeah, I mean I think for him he's always looking to try to find ways to better his game
26:16That's something that he viewed as a challenge going into last year where there's so much uncertainty. I think he wanted to prove
26:23Not just to himself
26:24But also I think probably to a lot of people who thought he was just best that you keep him down at the 3c
26:30Let him kind of take advantage those matchups down there
26:32and I think he proved that he could be a viable to a
26:35Top six player that can have an impact and kind of leave his impact or his imprint all over the game
26:41As you said, he's you know, second power play unit top PK unit
26:44You do wonder maybe it's more of like a leadership or more of a vocal role moving forward
26:49It's kind of funny that you know, he was added right before the the cup run in 2019
26:53But now he's I think the fifth longest tenured player on the team. I was shocked crazy. Yeah. Yeah crazy
26:59So, you know, I think it's one of those things where obviously I think you look at you know
27:03Elias Lindholm is their top line center and his
27:06presence should make life easier for guys like
27:09Coyle and Martian and guys really done the lineup where they should be able to you know
27:13They're not dealing with a matchup against a bark off or Matthews
27:17I didn't night out right and that should alleviate some of the pressure
27:20So do you wonder if it is more of just continuing to build his own game, but also be more of a vocal guy
27:26he mentioned that I think there's also a comfort factor where last year as
27:30Much as I think he was confident being able to step up. There is that uncertainty there is that kind of
27:35wading into you know
27:37Uncharted waters with you know where that team was going to be last year where you can be confident
27:42But when you don't have the Bergeron and crazy there
27:45It's kind of similar to like this year with the goalie situation with no swimmings
27:49I'm sure it's very confident with stepping in being number one guy, but we don't have all mark
27:54There's kind of your safety blanket
27:56There is that kind of trepidation that uncertainty that you have to deal with especially earlier on in this year
28:01So I think for coil it's all about kind of being more of a vocal leader
28:04But also I think he probably has some of that more comfort factor where all right
28:08I know my role I can still play at a very high level
28:11I have Elias Lindholm further up the depth chart as well. That should make life easier
28:15I can play my game and build off of I think the really strong foundation. I put forward last year, which is encouraging
28:22Yeah, and I think it you hit it on you hit on it earlier
28:25I think it's also leadership to write like him as you said fifth longest tenured Bruin and
28:30New guys Lindholm's a door off. You got younger guys like Patra
28:35You know potentially Lysel
28:38Beecher
28:39Merkulof low ride like and I also think coil like coil mentioned I think on chicklets recently
28:45Birds run being the guy he modeled his game after
28:48Now again Charlie Coyle is no Patrice Bergeron, no one is Patrice Bergeron we understand that but
28:54Coil does play a game that if you're a coach you want every center to play like that right good two-way player
29:00Responsible can pitch in offensively like that's that's a kind of perfect prototype of what you want a prospect to be and speaking of
29:08prospects Connor
29:10We've talked a lot about guys that could make the team this year
29:14Lysel Merkulof Patra Duran
29:18But who are who's a Bruins prospect outside of the system outside of the NHL in the HL?
29:24That you're gonna follow quite a bit this year
29:26I mean, it's probably the cop out, but I'll probably go with the 6-8 guy that they just yeah
29:32That's the obvious one with Dean Letourneau
29:34Because I'm just so curious to see
29:37Where is where you kind of project him by the end of this year, you know, he kind of accelerated his timeline
29:43Going to BC this this fall with Will Smith going up to San Jose Shocks a guy that is viewed as you know
29:50You see the talent you see the intrigue of his skill set still a pretty raw player
29:54He looked at the competition he played against last year going from that to hockey East is a big jump
30:01so I think we'll be facing to see where he kind of ends the year like is he a guy that
30:07Exceeds expectations and there's like a 30-point guy as a freshman, which would be great
30:11is he a guy that finishes, you know, 18 to 22 points and has a and becomes a really key piece of
30:18That BC team as a freshman much. I think the Bruins would absolutely take as well
30:22Or is he a guy that kind of goes through, you know
30:24The growing pains that come with such a steep jump in and competition and he's a guy that I'm sure Bruins fans would freak out
30:31But is he a guy that is a fourth line?
30:34nine point kind of guy in and out of the lineup maybe that first year and
30:38kind of grows into the role moving forward and I think the
30:42The Bruins have mentioned that they're going to be patient with him. I think you know BC which has a great track record
30:47I know under coach Brown of
30:50Developing these guys and putting them in six in positions to succeed. I think they've all mapped out that he's a guy that they're going to
30:58You know let develop at his own timeline
31:00But if you do have that the end of the year where he is a fourth line guy on it
31:04Admittedly a very deep BC team
31:06I do Bruins Ian's kind of freak out about that. So I'm just curious see where he gonna ends
31:12You know end of the season and where he is kind of moving forward
31:16It's I think you can get you can map out any of those three different paths for him as a freshman
31:21Well, I think if he's fourth line with nine points
31:23I also worry about that transfer portal where it's like, you know, I don't want him transferring out of there
31:27That's like I like that coaching staff. I think the Bruins love that. He's in their backyard. I
31:33Don't think they want him going anywhere now, I mean maybe he'd transfer it, you know somewhere in
31:39Yeah, the University of Boston. He would be a star at U of B. I
31:44Think I project earlier in the summer that he's gonna be somewhere in that 20-point range
31:48You know again, he'll be in the top nine. That's their plan for him
31:52At least it was you know a month or two ago
31:54So obviously things have changed or could have changed but they haven't really been on the ice much yet. So I don't think it has
32:01I
32:02You know, I think fans have to expect that they're gonna be growing pains
32:06There are gonna be highlights of him getting walloped. There are gonna be highlights of him
32:11You know kind of having shifts where you're like
32:13What the hell was that like and people, you know locals were gonna go to BC games or if BC plays be you or Northeastern?
32:20Or whoever like they're gonna watch him and go I didn't notice him, you know most of the game and that's okay
32:26Like he's still very young. It's it's a long road
32:29He is not coming in next year to be the number one center. He's ideally your number one center
32:35five six seven years from now like
32:38it's a long road, so
32:41There will be those growing pains. There will be those issues
32:45There will be times you look at the line chart and go why is he the third line center?
32:50I'm not saying don't worry because again there can still be worrisome things in there
32:54But it is year one of a very very very long development road that most
33:00First round picks don't go through because they're more kind of surefire things again
33:05But we talked about this is the draft. He was ranked on some 18th
33:10He was ranked on some, you know 98 like it just he fluctuated. He's a project and that's okay
33:17There's nothing wrong with that. So
33:19Latorre knows a perfect one. I think that is the number one answer. That's I don't think there is a close second, but
33:27Quinnipiac I think Quinnipiac if you guys are in town in Connecticut, you want to watch some ECAC hockey
33:33Elliot Greenwald third round pick on D this year
33:36Chris Pelosi third round pick last year their first pick in that draft
33:40I think Pelosi a really interesting one. Just what he can be
33:45Again this was a guy when they drafted him had been in the NOL and the USHL in the same year, which I
33:51Can't tell you the last guy drafted out of the NAHL not to disparage that league
33:56It's a great league, but it's not one that's sending a ton of talent to the NHL
33:59So he's an interesting one had a good year last year in the USHL
34:04Greenwald again, I've maintained I think he's gonna be a very solid, you know, two-way defenseman
34:10Another one's Beckett Hendrickson at Minnesota now, I love college hockey. I know you do too
34:14So I'm kind of overlooking some of the junior or the CHL guys, but Beckett Hendrickson
34:20He was the fourth round pick last year center. I was with the national program formally. So
34:25USHL last year, so that's another one. I think you know if you want to watch some Big Ten hockey
34:32Everybody gets I think the Big Ten Network if you still have cable
34:34So we just cut cable by the way, and now I will get on stairs and be like, all right
34:39I'm gonna turn on you know, whatever and ESPN and uh, nope not there. So
34:46tough tough for sure
34:48Anyone else anyone else that you have your eye on?
34:51Yeah, I mean I was gonna say Pelosi's my my next pick there just feels like that's the guy that
34:56You're intrigued by like the motor that he has some of the speed guy that he kind of continues to build and
35:03Kind of fill out his frame could be a you know, a guy that has
35:07Middle six upside with that kind of physicality of the Bruins are kind of targeting
35:11So I think he's definitely a guy that I have on my list
35:14I'd hopefully get to a couple of Quinnipiac game
35:16Especially they head up
35:17Around this area because there's get a lot of bang for your buck if they're playing a team like BC or some of these other
35:22hockey teams
35:24Yeah, and and Quinnipiac always is good. They've you know continued to progress and for the ECAC like they you know
35:31They've been sort of the dominant team the last couple years. I saw recently Corey Pronman ranked Bruins prospects
35:37Where was that breakdown of all 32 teams?
35:40The one that didn't have the one that didn't have Oscar Jelvic on it. I
35:45Believe so. So his I think his rankings
35:49So low Ryan Beecher can't be included
35:51but he had
35:53number one Dean Letourneau number two Dan's luck Mellis, which is
35:58Fascinating again, you guys so I I'm fall for it number three
36:04Matt Patra, that's what I you know, and again Corey works his ass off covering prospects
36:10So I'm a very tough job do that for a single time
36:13I am NOT gonna sit here and be like, what is he? What does he know what he's watching?
36:18Number four Fabian Lysel number five Jonathan Morello who recently decommitted from Clarkson, which is not
36:24Shocking at all
36:26And nothing it's Clarkson. I'm not saying that but draft pick
36:29Who you know, I think I'm in at the time really liked so I am curious like where he ends up
36:37Patra three fascinates me. I don't understand that
36:42You know again like he played well in his time in the NHL last year
36:46I think you and I have been pretty realistic with him in the sense of like
36:49don't expect him to be like the number one guy going forward, but
36:54Potential number two center like I think it's completely in the cards
36:57I
36:59Don't you know, I mean Pranav wrote Patra's a tough valuation
37:02He got off to a scorching hot start this season
37:04Making the burns as a teenager and looking like he belonged 15 points and 33 games look good on the power play
37:09His game started to trail off toward midseason though and his parole juniors for Canada was average. That is all true
37:15He is very skilled intelligent makes a lot of difficult place the puck and can run a pro power play
37:20He can create off the edge while also showing no fear of attacking the inside despite being 511. It all comes down to his skating
37:26He's not that fast for smaller forward
37:27So he'll need to be excellent the puck to have a long career the guy saw in October and the NHL looked like that player
37:32But we'll see how consistently he can play at that level
37:35He's expected to make the Bruins again a notable role, but I'm not 100% convinced
37:38He's a long-term NHL player see to me a Patra does have the long-term thing. It's more like can he be a star?
37:44can he be a
37:46Legit guy
37:49Yes, you have 40 point guy or is there you know a 20 goal 45 assist kind of season and look at the poise the
37:57play-making
37:59You're I think you're intrigued by what you have there. It's again. He's a guy that isn't really flashy, but like
38:05Neither was like David Crachy and he was pretty poised at the puck
38:09I'm not saying that he's gonna be David Crachy, but like no, but you saw a lot
38:12You see a lot of that poise with him last year. So
38:15And I get like
38:17What were you say I was gonna say and no gel like for
38:21Guy that was over a point per game as a sophomore on a very good BC team
38:24But I routinely am impressed every time I see Joe would play again
38:28I know I'm saying he's gonna be an NHL lock
38:31But a guy that should have a pretty good pro career whether it's the HL or the NHL
38:36But that's a guy that I think has very good upside and I agree and I think drives play without
38:41Just relying on that supporting cast at BC I
38:45Agree, and I think the knock on him is the size element
38:48But again, like that doesn't mean I think he's gonna be a terrific pro whether that's a HL
38:53Coming up the NHL here and there like I think he's a good player. I really liked him at dev camp, but
38:59Yeah, I that's an interesting list
39:02Maybe luck malice. We got to put luck malice higher. So go watch UMass hockey, too. Yes, don't forget about them
39:08Um
39:09Connor what can people look forward to from you over at the globe and Boston calm?
39:13Yeah, we'll have a covered every step of the way over these final days of the offseason. Thank God
39:17I have a couple more stories coming out looking at
39:21Previewing training camp. We'll have you ready for captain's practices. I spoke to Andrew Raycroft a little bit about
39:28Not just Jeremy's family, but corporate solo and why he's high on him bouncing back this year in the Bruin system
39:35So all that stuff will be over at Boston calm in the globe
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39:49That's Connor Ryan Evan Marinovsky booked the bear listeners. Have a great rest
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