On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofskyu is joined by Joe Pohoryles of NHL.com and The Hockey News to discuss the recent survey on NHL front offices, and Bruins fans' feelings about their team's leadership. Plus, as time ticks on, should fans be concerned about the Jeremy Swayman negotiations? That, and much more!
Topics
- The Athletic fan survey on NHL front offices
- Bruins fans are harsh (and we love that)
- Is the criticism warranted?
- Is it time to put the 2015 Draft to bed?
- Re-shaping the narrative
- What’s going on with Jeremy Swayman?
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Topics
- The Athletic fan survey on NHL front offices
- Bruins fans are harsh (and we love that)
- Is the criticism warranted?
- Is it time to put the 2015 Draft to bed?
- Re-shaping the narrative
- What’s going on with Jeremy Swayman?
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00:00Patra and Mason Lorai were able to, you know, graduate, so to speak, and be impact players,
00:05at least Patra for the first part of the season before he got injured,
00:08and then Lorai down the stretch. The fact that they're still getting value in the NHL from,
00:14you know, a very thin prospect pool, I think is a testament to their drafting and development.
00:18Neither of those guys were even first round picks.
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00:44joined today by Joe Pajarilis. Joe, what is up?
00:48Not much, just enjoying a bit of, you know, off season at the beach in Delaware for the week,
00:55and then pretty soon heading back up to Boston to get back into the grind of things as the season
01:01ramps up. So yeah, doing pretty well. How about you?
01:05Good. You said you're in Delaware, right? I've never been to Delaware. How are the beaches down
01:09there?
01:10It's, I mean, I'm from Maryland, so I went there a lot growing up. So I'm maybe a little
01:16bit biased, but I think it's, yeah, I think they're great. Maybe not like Florida, California,
01:22I've been there as well. So maybe, you know, temporary expectations a little bit,
01:26but I think as a whole, it's pretty good.
01:29It's funny to me. I was in the Cape over the weekend, or last weekend, and I said to someone
01:36when I was in the water, I was like, you know, when we're logging or when I'm logging like 60
01:41hour weeks in January, and it's freezing out and everything, I will miss this. I will miss just
01:48the heat and being in the ocean. And I think you and I are hockey writers, we're in the hockey
01:53media world. I kind of like that our busy season, our busy time is like the fall, the winter,
02:00then like early spring. I like that we sort of, not that we don't work, we're all working very
02:05hard still during the summer, but it's just, there aren't as many games, there's not as much
02:10to do. So it is nice that our quote unquote like off season is the summer. Whereas if we covered
02:14baseball be the opposite, we would not be at the beach much during the summer. And we'd have to
02:20find beaches down south during our off season in the winter. So again, it's a good problem to have.
02:25So I don't want to, it's a champagne problem. But I do enjoy that we get to get some beach
02:32time during the summer, which is very, very nice. I was reading in the athletic this morning,
02:39they do these fan surveys, which can sometimes be dangerous. I don't know if I'd always want to pull
02:44the fans on on everything, but I am interested in what they think lots of the time. And Dom
02:51Lucisan, who does great work over there did a fan survey on their confidence in each team's front
02:57office. And he had, I think people identify themselves when they voted as either, you know,
03:03a fan of that team or not a fan and then you know, vote on other teams what they think of
03:08each team. And the Bruins ranked 14th. Bruins came in at 14. They got a B minus. No surprise.
03:15The public was actually nicer about the front office than the fan base was, which is no surprise
03:21at all. 14 out of 32. Does that surprise you? I think so. I mean, maybe factoring in the fans
03:31being on the more pessimistic side, maybe that kind of brings it down because across the board,
03:36it seems like fans are largely more optimistic about their team than the public is. But I think
03:44Dom even mentioned it at the end of the article, the Islanders were 32, but they had the highest
03:50poll score of the last place teams, I think, since he's done or, you know, one of the highest
03:55scores. So I think part of that could be a factor of just every team scoring very well. And it's
03:59sort of just, it's very thin margins in the middle, but overall, yeah, I would say 14,
04:05just based on the success in recent years and some of the other teams ahead of them in here,
04:10that definitely is surprising. You'd expect them to be at least in the top 10, just based on
04:15where they're at as a, as a franchise. It's funny because you mentioned some of the teams
04:19above them, like Chicago at 12 San Jose at 13. And I, you know, again, those teams are doing
04:26what they can there. Both of those teams are vastly different situations than the Bruins.
04:31But one of my overarching takeaways from it was, and it's no fault of Kyle Davidson or,
04:38or Mike Greer as GMs. Yeah. Kyle Davidson's the GM of Chicago, right? Yeah. Yeah. Kyle
04:44Davidson's GM Chicago. It's not their fault because they weren't there when those teams
04:47went to shit. They were not the reason they are tasked with bringing those teams back.
04:52And they both have been very fortunate to get number one overall picks in the last two drafts,
04:55Chicago gets Conor Bedard and San Jose gets Macklin Celebrini. So that's sort of, I think,
05:00why they get put up in that tier. I think fans kind of put expectations on both of those teams,
05:06but I'm going to give a little plug to Don Sweeney here. There were one or two times
05:11since Sweeney began in 2015, where a rebuild might seem likely. You think back to the retool
05:19in 2015 and 16, some thought, Hey, just blow the whole thing up. Bergeron's getting older.
05:25Krejci's getting older. And they end up going to another Stanley cup a couple of years later.
05:30You look at right now, Bergeron and Krejci are gone. Oh, blow the whole thing up. No,
05:36you have a core there. And they built around it. And we talk about last year being like the money
05:40ball Bruins. They ended up getting to the second round. And obviously, we all wanted them to put
05:45up more of a fight against the Panthers, maybe force a game seven. But I still think it's
05:49impressive as hell that that roster got where they did. And you look at sort of different
05:55talent acquisitions over the years that have panned out the Pavel Zakha trade.
05:59You look at, you know, last year, Parker Walderspoon, Justin Brazeau, these sort of
06:03diamonds in the rough. And I just think the consistency of contention, that to me has always
06:09been incredibly impressive with this Bruins team. And yes, they have not gotten over the hump since
06:142011. We have, we have rattled on that many a time, but to 14. And again, I know this isn't the
06:21end all be all, but it's still, you know, the athletic has a lot of readers. A lot of people
06:26participated in this survey. This is a lot of people's opinions. There are top 10, at least to
06:31me. And, and I, and that's where I, I sort of, there's that disconnect of like, you know, and
06:37Dom writes this and he's cause so many people, you know, draft and develop the public gave the
06:42Bruins a C the fan base gave the Bruins a D and Dom says, folks, it's time to put the 2015 draft
06:48to bed. Yes. The memes were legendary in the hall ended up being as underwhelming as it looked on
06:52day one relative to what else was out there, but that was nine years ago. And they still nabbed
06:56two impact players in Nebraska, Brandon Carlo by overall value. They did fine. Now that draft
07:01is also sandwiched between two incredible drafts where Boston got posture knock at 25 and 2014
07:07and Charlie McAvoy, 24 in at number 14 in 2016. Wow. Hard to read in the summer, Joe.
07:14And add Jeremy swimming at number one 11 and 2017. And that's three franchise players over
07:19four years without a top 10 pick. To me, that's more impressive. That is more impressive. And
07:24again, we don't know yet what Davidson and Greer's first couple drafts are going to pan out to be.
07:29We don't know that yet, but I like that's where I think that narrative has stuck with the Bruins
07:36are terrible at drafting. I think over the last couple of years, they've been a little bit better,
07:42right? Yeah. I mean, I think even the, like the past couple of years,
07:47recently the, you know, the talk's been, Oh, they've got one of the worst prospect pools.
07:51There's not a lot of depth, which is true. That's not incorrect. But the fact that from such little
07:56depth, even just this past season, uh, Patra and Mason Lori were able to graduate, so to speak,
08:03and be impact players, at least posture for the first part of the season before he got injured.
08:07And then low ride down the stretch, the fact that they're still getting value in the NHL from,
08:13you know, a very thin prospect pool, I think is a testament to their drafting and development.
08:18Neither of those guys were even first round picks. That's the biggest thing. And I think,
08:23you know, you look at Patra being a year ahead or a couple of years ahead of where we all kind
08:26of thought he would be low rise stepping up and we'll see what he's like this season. But again,
08:30all signs point to him being, uh, an impact top four players someday in the NHL. Uh, you'll
08:35still get Johnny Beecher stepping up and, and filling a role there. Trent Frederick's development
08:39over the last couple of years. And I know those are first round picks. Everybody thinks, Oh,
08:43first round pick has to be this high end skill player. Uh, and I know that, you know, higher end
08:48players were drafted right after those guys, but they still turned, you know, Frederick turned into
08:53an everyday middle sixer, which I think is a very valuable thing in the NHL. Uh, Johnny Beecher so
08:58far shown himself as an apt fourth line speedster center. Like, again, I'm not trying to like
09:03carry water for Sweeney or this Bruins team. I just think there is a kind of a false narrative
09:08of, Oh, they're so bad at drafting and we'll see this year. I mean, again, like, uh, we won't know
09:13about this current 2024 draft for many years. Um, you were there in Vegas. I don't think we've
09:19talked since you were there. How was that? How was that whole experience? I mean, it was,
09:23it was insane. I mean, all the hype around the sphere, I think for the most part is pretty
09:28warranted. Just all the graphics that they had. And I mean, I did get a little bit of a headache,
09:33kind of like looking up, but that might've just been like the position we were at on the floor,
09:36but, um, no, it was great. I mean, the weather was, was really hot, but, uh, other than that,
09:41inside the sphere, it was nice and cold and, uh, no, it was a really great, really great atmosphere.
09:46And if I was, if I was an NHL draft pick, which I'm far from that, but I would have looked back
09:52and wished, wow. I wish that I could have experienced that as a pick, you know, getting
09:56selected there. Um, so, you know, all those prospects must be, you know, must feel insanely
10:01lucky. Just being in that spot might've been better if they were 21, when they were being
10:05drafted, just based on the location. But other than that, it's like a great location. Yeah.
10:11Maybe. Yeah. You know, it's hard to, I don't think that's going to fly out there.
10:15But I think it should be there every year. I don't like, I think that's the perfect spot for
10:19it. There's a lot of hype around it. Uh, it's, it looks like a big deal. It is a big deal. Um,
10:25I wasn't there, but just everything I saw looked incredible. So like, I, that's why to me, I think
10:31it should be there every year. Um, the arenas are fine. I think, um, was it, uh, who was it?
10:36Was it Colin Campbell who mentioned at the end of the weekend, like, oh, we might, you know,
10:42have to consider doing this again or something. Cause I know they were sort of banking on 2025,
10:46basically being via zoom, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think they were trying to go like the NFL route
10:52and have every team like sort of work out of their, you know, HQ or whatever, and then just sort of
10:57maybe have a location where the prospects are, but not like an all, you know, all encompassing
11:02together draft. Yeah. And I have no doubt that I'd assume teams would almost rather be in their
11:08headquarters. Cause like you're, you're more comfortable in your own space. You can talk more
11:12freely, you know, you can't have to yell across the table or something like that. Um, but I just
11:17think it's a spectacle do Vegas every year. Like that's a cool place. I am dying to go see the
11:23sphere. Like I want to see, like, I know you two was playing there for a while. I'd love to see you
11:27two there. I think a concert would be even better there. Yeah. As great as the draft was, I think
11:32something like that would be, would be awesome. Yeah. And it just seems like a hell of a spot
11:37to see a concert. Um, and I, you know, I know a lot, I know some people who have gone out and
11:41seen it and they, and they've loved it. So I hope that they continue on with that draft stuff.
11:46I want to keep talking about the Bruins front office. Maybe this, this podcast will change
11:49the narrative about this show. Maybe we'll, we'll be the shape shifters on this. Uh, the first quick
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13:19So I found it funny in this fan base survey, uh, or from the fan survey that the fan base
13:24gave the Bruins vision a C plus. I was just thinking about that. Yeah.
13:28Yeah. And, and what I, so like, I get it. And I like the Bruins fans are pessimistic. I don't
13:33want to, I don't want to cover a team where the fans are, you know, like delusional with,
13:37Oh, the team is amazing. I look, this team is the best. I can't do anything wrong. Like I like
13:42that fans, uh, are kind of like us and questioning them and what are they doing here? But that's one
13:48we're like, and we've said this a lot. And I remember when the Bruins were
13:51looking like they were going to blow that, uh, seriously to Toronto,
13:55where like in the live stream I would do after fans were like, blow the whole thing up.
13:59And I get it. Right. I get it. You know, when something goes wrong, like when I, when I,
14:02when the Celtics lose in the playoffs or the Patriots or the Red Sox, I'm like, Oh, just
14:07destroy it. But I do think in terms of vision, you have a 50 goal score locked up forever.
14:13And David Pasternak, you have a legit number one defense been locked up a long-term and Charlie
14:18McAvoy, uh, Jeremy Swayman, who we'll get to in a bit, uh, at some point should be signed,
14:22uh, long-term and that's your goalie of the future. Um, you know, you have Elias Lindholm
14:27now, uh, you've got young guys like Mason Lowry to me, like, I think the vision's actually good.
14:33I'd put the vision more like a B. Um, I'm curious what you would, would put for that and what you
14:38say. Yeah, that was my biggest, that was the biggest surprise. The thing that surprised me
14:43the most, obviously, you know, you know, the draft and develop reputation, which we talked
14:47about earlier, but for that, I mean, there's some teams on here where, you know, you can't
14:52even look at the team and decide what direction they're going in or what they're, you know,
14:57what they're going to do with the Bruins. We talked about their consistency, you know,
15:01their playoff results, obviously, you know, fans want more and that's justified and there's,
15:05you know, another level they can reach, but their vision is pretty clearly, you know,
15:09contending every single year. And maybe I'm just simplifying what vision means, but
15:14in terms of where, you know, their goals and the direction they're heading in,
15:18that seems to be the most clear thing on this list of categories that they graded as well.
15:23Yeah. And I'm looking at other teams above them, you know, and you look at teams like
15:27number five is Vancouver. Uh, they were 30th last year. So again, they're up that high number five,
15:32because they had such a good run. They had such a good season. Uh, and obviously one season can
15:37change everything. Uh, Montreal was six, they're entrenched in a huge rebuild. And again, like,
15:42um, you know, Dom writes, I'm not sure there's a more promising rebuild in this league than the
15:46one currently being cooked up by Jeff Gordon and Kent Hughes. Um, but again, like I, you know,
15:52we're, we're fortunate to be in a market where like a Bruins rebuild would be cataclysmic,
15:57like a true, a true rebuild, like years long. I mean, that'd be painful. Um, I've been doing
16:03this podcast since like 2019. Um, I've never had to talk about a rebuilding team. I don't know if
16:09I could do it. I think that's all right. Well, I'm done. I've done my time. I give up. Um,
16:14but rebuilds are so far from certain and I get why those teams rank high. I get why their vision
16:21is, you know, good. Cause you clearly know what their vision is and all that.
16:25But to me, the Bruins vision is clear. There, there are a contender every single year. Um,
16:30they made free agent moves in the off season that, uh, seem to bolster their chances.
16:35Um, whereas, you know, again, teams like Montreal are definitely on the right track,
16:39but as we've seen with Buffalo, Detroit was hammered in this story. Detroit was, I mean,
16:44for years to go, the eyes are playing. The eyes are planned. Hasn't been really working.
16:48And now it finally is, is reflected in this story. So, um, in terms of vision, I was shocked.
16:53I was surprised that the Bruins got a C plus from their own fans. Cause to me, like vision,
16:58like I get why fans rag on drafting. I get that, right? Like, you know, lack of high end talent,
17:05all that stuff. You'll go back to 2015, which again, I grew dumb on this. Like it's time to,
17:09you know, what's it's almost 10 years ago. Now you believe 2015 is almost 10 years ago.
17:14Yeah. Um, it's insane. It's completely insane. Um, but again, like vision to me,
17:21that seems fairly clear. So that's yeah. The fan survey is great. I always love when the fans, uh,
17:26give their 2 cents. I'm sure that fans will give their 2 cents in the YouTube comments on this
17:31show, which I always appreciate. I always read the comments. I always read the YouTube comments,
17:35uh, for good or bad. Um, uh, I want to get into Jeremy Swayman and I want to get into the free
17:41agency moves. The Bruins have done, uh, this season, how that affects how it would affect
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19:31one last thing with the survey, and Dom mentions it, and I think it's correct. You look at the
19:36Bruins with those two big free agent signings this offseason, Lindholm is a door off. The athletic
19:41model hated those signings, thought that they didn't age well, thought that those guys coming
19:46off bad years. To me, that's where this... And again, not that the survey is everything, but
19:52it's August 6th and we need things to talk about. And this is something to talk about.
19:56And I do think it's interesting. I think it is legitimately interesting. I think that's where
20:00the Bruins fluctuate the most next year, where if Lindholm puts up 70 something points and Zdorov
20:07is a force on the back end and the Bruins get past two rounds of the playoffs, Bruins will be in the
20:12top five. Whereas if those signings don't work out this season or start to stink, Bruins are going to
20:18plummet down this list. And I give the Bruins credit for taking a swing with those free agent
20:23signings, but I do think those could be very hit or miss. Yeah, absolutely. I think there's a lot
20:31of concern about Lindholm's production as well, going to take a step down for the past couple
20:36years. Two, three years ago, he was a point per game player. I think the supporting cast that he's
20:42entering in and the line that he's projected to be on should help matters, but it's never
20:48certainty in that. So I think especially for him and where he might be aging in a couple of years
20:53as well, this year will be one of the big determining factors for how the rest of that
20:59deal goes. Yeah. And I think the other thing, both are locked up long-term and there's always a risk
21:08with, we say this all the time with free agency, there's a risk with signing guys long-term that
21:12haven't been signed long-term with their own teams. But I think Zdorov's an interesting case
21:17of sort of coming on a little bit late and Lindholm's an interesting case just with how
21:22things shook down in Calgary. Because again, he looked like a part of their future plans,
21:28but so did Johnny Gaudreau, so did Matthew Kachuk. That franchise is his own issue.
21:33So again, I think I projected Lindholm at somewhere, I think it was like 72 or 73 points this
21:38year. I just think in terms of playing with Pasternak, probably Zaka, playing on that first
21:44power play unit, I just think points are going to come and I think that's where he's going to get
21:48his production and it's going to be a bump in production. But as you said, the question will
21:54be how those age. Does Lindholm at year four, is he not even near worth the money or is he, hey,
22:00a good solid second line center, which at that money, not the worst thing in the world.
22:04So we'll see how that plays out. The big storyline though of what is going to happen,
22:10Jeremy Swayman, still not signed. We're recording this August 6th. So
22:17I keep looking at Twitter because I said this to you before we recorded. I was like, somehow
22:21it's going to happen as we record this. Still not signed. When do you think this happens?
22:27What have you thought of this whole situation? Yeah, I think I'm trying to remember last year,
22:33I believe Frederick and Swayman's bridge deal a year ago, I believe those were all signed
22:42somewhere around mid to late August, I believe. So I don't know if that really means anything for
22:46this because it's two very different scenarios. You're trying to get someone in long-term versus
22:52bridge extensions or whatever they are. But basically, I think the theme of that is they're
22:58going to take their time. They're going to come to the conclusion. I think with over a month until
23:04training camp even opens, I think they feel like they've got the runway to work this out.
23:08But at a certain point, I don't know what clues there might be as to when that'll happen. But I
23:14think it's got to be sometime in the next two to three weeks at most, I'd assume.
23:20Yeah, I think it happens right before camp when they start to reconvene.
23:25I don't know what the holdup is. Maybe they're just taking their time because it is the summer.
23:33We were joking a few weeks ago, they're on vacation, which is good for them, right?
23:37Now it's time to take it. But I'm curious if it's that Swayman wants a shorter-term deal to make
23:44more money down the road or if they are just both looking at eight years but it comes down to price.
23:52I've been saying all along, I think it should be eight by eight. That's what he gets, I think,
23:57given what he has shown you, given what he could be, given his age. He's 25.
24:03So again, if you're giving him... I was arguing with Hags about this. If you give him a four-year
24:09deal, if he does the Austin Matthews route where it's like, hey, I want the most money now, but
24:12then I want more when the cap goes up, you're giving him probably a long-term deal at 30,
24:18potentially 31, which again, goalies age differently. But still, to give an eight-year
24:26deal at 30 is always kind of a risk. And yes, giving Swayman an eight-year deal right now
24:32would be somewhat of a risk. But I like the age he's at. I like what he's shown.
24:37I just think he has the right mindset to be the guy. We saw this in the playoffs.
24:41We've seen it at different times. I think he has the mindset to be the guy.
24:46I'm not worried, though. I'm not. I don't think the sky is falling. They'll get to an agreement
24:52at some point. They traded Linus Olmark. It'd be hilarious if they went into next year with
24:57Jonas Corposalo and Brandon Bussey as the starters. Swayman is gone. It's like, all right,
25:02I don't know what happened here. I don't think that'll be the case.
25:07But yeah, that's all the Bruins news there is. So fan survey, Swayman,
25:13Joe, get back to enjoying Delaware, the beautiful beaches there.
25:17Not many people say that, but...
25:21Have you been to Maine?
25:22I have been.
25:24Yeah, yeah. And it's gorgeous there. I'd love to go back, especially during the summer with
25:29the beach and everything. But yeah, still got a soft spot for down here.
25:35I was going to say, because you're from Maryland, and I always feel like New Englanders know Maine.
25:39I love Southern Maine during the summer. The beach is a gunkweight, Old Orchard Beach.
25:43And obviously, this is Acadia. Those are the big places. But I feel like outside of New England,
25:48Maine is not known that much. It's kind of like a nice little kept secret for New England.
25:54Whereas the Cape is very mainstream. Everybody goes to the Cape. But Maine,
26:00and I grew up going there, so I love Maine. But I feel like it's not as much as known
26:05to other parts of the country.
26:06Yeah, I didn't really... It wasn't really on my radar until after I moved up. So I think that
26:11pulls up before staying in the Mid-Atlantic, kind of just was around there. And then obviously,
26:16you knew Maine, but I never knew that the beach is there, the town's there during the summer.
26:22I was there during the 4th of July a couple years ago, and it was just... Yeah, just a great,
26:28great spot.
26:29Yeah. I mean, the water is freezing.
26:32Yeah.
26:33Which is the one little downside, but I grew up on it. So when I go to the Cape, it's like,
26:38oh my God, this is bathwater.
26:39Yeah, yeah.
26:40But I can't say enough about Maine. And I know a lot of these listeners understand it because a
26:47lot of them are from here. But if you're not, I cannot recommend Maine highly enough. Don't tell
26:52your friends, listeners, Brewsby listeners, please don't tell your friends. But it's our
26:56own little secret in here. But Maine is... I love Maine. I cannot get enough of Maine.
27:02I'm going there in a couple of weeks. So I think it's right before things kick into gear. So it'll
27:06be a nice weekend away before things get going. Joe, what can the people look forward to from
27:12you at nhl.com?
27:15I do have... Actually, yeah, in a couple days, I believe I've got a story from development camp.
27:20They sort of spread them out across the summer just to not clog the site at once.
27:24That's smart. I know what that's like.
27:26Yeah, so I've got a feature I forgot, which, well, I wrote a couple for them there. I think
27:32Brett Harrison, I got a feature on Brett Harrison coming out in a couple days. So just sort of,
27:38you know, kind of a dark horse, probably not going to, you know, probably not going to make
27:41the Bruins roster, but someone, you know, younger, going to be in the AHL for another year, you know,
27:47can try to fight his way up. He's good friends with Matt Potra, which I sort of got into in
27:51the story. So he's going to try to repeat what Potra did and surprise people. But, you know,
27:56we'll see if that happens. A little bit different scenario this year compared to last year in terms
28:01of the forward group. But yeah, so that'll be coming out in a couple days, I believe.
28:05And you wrote your first doing a Hockey Journal story and it was on the cover.
28:09I did, yes.
28:10Elliot Greenwald got on the cover. I don't have the magazine with me or else I'd hold it up.
28:14You can go find it on Twitter or the Hockey Journal website.
28:17I ordered five copies, so listeners should do the same.
28:21I agree. There you go. I agree. But yeah, congratulations on that. It was a fantastic
28:26story and it was a great cover. It was an easy cover to pick. We were trying to like figure
28:31and it was like, all right, well, that's obvious. That's a layup. But anyways, Joe,
28:36thank you for joining. And that's this week's Brewers Beat. I'm Evan Maranofsky,
28:39Brewers Beat listeners. Have a great rest of your week.