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Transcript

00:00Hi, welcome. Happy Sunday. So we just watched part four of this five-part tell-all. It was

00:13actually the conclusion of the filming process of the tell-all. So Shawn Robinson has made

00:20her exit. She is no longer a part of it. Now we're going to go and we're watching the scenes

00:25as they're leaving the studio and heading back to the mansion. So that'll be last week.

00:31Hey, Jen. Hi. So yeah, we're... Hi, Portuguese princess, Gina. So we're going to be talking

00:39about this part four tonight. Where is Cara and Didi? Let me invite them. San Diego News.

00:48Hello, San Diego News. Hi, Wheels1056. Oh, there's Cara. Yeah. So this, I actually got

00:58a link on Facebook and I was able to... It was great. It was absolutely great. I'm just

01:07saying it was amazing. I'm sorry to everyone that had to watch it live. It's just too much.

01:13So I watched it without commercials. Hey. Hey. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good.

01:20I'm good. I actually got to watch it, I was saying, without commercials tonight. Somebody

01:23posted it on Facebook. So I... What's that? Yeah, I was very happy. It brought back old

01:30times, old memories. But this was a crazy tell-all, right? We got a lot of Sophie and

01:36Rob. We got a lot of Ashley and Manuel. We thought we escaped Angela, but Angela made

01:41her return back to the tell-all midway through. So whenever Didi decides to join us, we'll

01:49get started so we can get into this. Because I have so many notes. I have pages and pages

01:54of notes. We're not going to get to all of it. But it's definitely... It was a lot. Oh,

02:00someone in the... Jen says, I love Manuel. We're going to talk about Manuel tonight,

02:05because we got a little insight into his sinceriousness, I guess, and sincerity in

02:12their relationship. Okay, wait, Didi's here. Hold on one second before we get too deep.

02:16Let's get Didi in here. The other person's live just ended. Wait, who's live? Who else

02:23was live? Hey. Hey. Hey, girl. Hey. Hey. It is literally thundering and lightning outside.

02:32And I look at the phone, and you're live on time. I was like, that is why it's thundering

02:37and lightning outside. Wait, did you have no faith in me? Did you think that I wasn't

02:42going to be on time? Well, that is an accurate statement. I am usually late to everything.

02:55But I was on time today. Actually, um, I told Cara, I watched it through the link that someone

03:01sent me. So I got to watch it without commercials. So I was actually done watching it at like 930.

03:08I watched that too. So that, yeah, that was awesome. He said it was deleted.

03:15Oh, so they deleted it? Oh, yeah. I had started it at like six, and just paused it. So that's

03:21probably why I still was able to finish. Yeah, I assumed... At four o'clock my time, so...

03:26Yeah, I assumed that they were going to take it down. I can't imagine that

03:30they're going to leave that up. Okay, so this episode, I want to talk about this Sophie

03:38voice note, because they started out in the hot tub, and Sophie was telling us all of the reasons

03:43why she doesn't want to forgive Rob, right? And Rob was saying how all of her reasons for his

03:49mistakes are for two, like two years ago, right? And in those two years, she managed to get her

03:55ass on a plane, come over here, marry him, bring her mom over here. I'm thinking like,

03:59that's a lot of effort to put into a man that you don't trust, right? And actually,

04:04I want to say doesn't even like, she wouldn't even sit next to him on a couch. Like,

04:11that just said, like, it spoke volumes for me, because I was like, you can be upset with someone,

04:16you can have a disagreement or an argument, like Jasmine and Gino were arguing,

04:20they slept in the same bed, right? Like, they could be near each other. And I think that

04:25Sophie, or actually, Ashley said something really interesting tonight, which, right? Go figure,

04:32Ashley, of all people, she said, I think Sophie's looking for a reason to not want to work it out

04:38with Rob. And I think that Ashley, first time I've ever said this, nailed it. I think that

04:44Sophie is looking for justification for her not wanting to stay with Rob. And I think that she's

04:52pulling straws at this point. Because Rob, let's be real, Rob's not a perfect boyfriend,

04:58husband, fiance, whatever, he has his flaws. But everything that she's brought up, like,

05:03oh, well, when we were long distance back when we were engaged, I'm gonna just say this, I'm not

05:07team Rob, not team Sophie, I'm just gonna say like, a biased statement. When she was all the way

05:12overseas, and he was all the way in California, it was very possible in his mind that he didn't

05:19think this was as serious as them getting married, like fast forwarding to today. So I do think that

05:24he was entertaining other people, right? But in 2024, up until you get married, you're kind of

05:33all right, open season, right? For entertaining other people. Like that's kind of how people are,

05:38you don't really get a commitment out of people as easy as you did 15, 20 years ago. Like now,

05:45yeah, they were engaged, but she was all the way in another country, and he probably was under the

05:49impression, this is probably never going to come into fruition, right? Like, she's never going to

05:53get here, I'm sure as hell never going to go there. And I think that him messaging other people,

05:59she knew that two years ago, not an excuse, though, I'm not going to say it's an excuse,

06:04Rob should have been faithful to her if he really did love her. But I think that when someone is

06:10like 5, 6, 7,000 miles away on the other side of the world, there is a thought in the back of

06:15your mind, like this might just be a pipe dream. I was just going to say, how many of these

06:20relationships do we actually think that there hasn't been some sort of either, if not entertaining,

06:31or speaking to someone online? I mean, maybe they're not physically cheating, but I'm sure

06:37there's a lot of online communication. Because if you're with somebody from a different country,

06:42and you met on a chat or social media or something like that, you have to realize

06:49you probably weren't the only one they were talking to to begin with. But also, they probably

06:5495% of the ones that we've seen on 90 Day Fiance. It's just so immature, she's showing her age.

07:03Well, she really, really wanted-

07:07She's not innocent herself, because she was messing around with her ex.

07:11Yeah.

07:12She even brought him over here.

07:15Yeah, to meet. And then that's when Rob actually found out that they had not just dated, they had

07:20been intimate together, they had slept together. That's when Rob found out after she brought him

07:24all the way to California to see her.

07:28And never tells him that she's been with a woman. She has so many more hidden secrets than he did,

07:35in my opinion.

07:37No, I agree with you. I agree. I think watching tonight when she was like,

07:41oh, I have voice notes of him doing this, and I have this. And okay, so when you're in a

07:46relationship, right? I was always taught that you don't keep score of who did what was bad.

07:52And then because if you're collecting evidence, like in my opinion, that's what the police

07:57department, the FBI, the CIA, you're collecting evidence on someone. So when you come and you

08:02make your bust, your kill, you have all the information you need. And I feel like Sophie

08:07and her mom specifically, too, were collecting bad information on Rob that they could use at a

08:14later date. And that's very FBI. If you really love someone and you want to make it work,

08:20you're not going to always keep a negative score on them that you have in the back of your pocket

08:24that you can pull out when it's convenient for you. Because that's kind of like how people

08:29declare war on other countries or other people, like you keep all this bad stuff that they did,

08:34so that in a convenient moment, you can release that information and, you know, get in trouble,

08:39break up their marriage, whatever you want to do. But if she ever thought that they were going to

08:43work things out, she wouldn't have kept and collected all of this stuff, you know, unless

08:48she was using it for like, to file charges or legal issue. Why would you keep? Yeah,

08:54Portuguese princess is like, they wanted to blackmail him. And I'm beginning to feel like

08:58that's true. They were using this information to justify the fact that they came over here,

09:04and he was their sucker. Because Sophie said it tonight. She was like, two years ago,

09:09she's like, I should have dumped them and I didn't. And I was like, but you're actually

09:13being truthful. You know that you didn't want to be with him two years ago, but you managed to fly

09:17over here on a K1, marry him, fly your mom over here, move into his house, move out of his house,

09:23like all of this in that period that you knew that you didn't want to be with him. And it's like,

09:27it's you're showing your ass by saying, well, yeah, I should have left him then. But I can't

09:32leave him now. Because what we know because her green card has not been processed yet. She can't

09:37stay. She hasn't she hasn't fulfilled her time commitment, right? Because there's no there's no

09:43proof of actual, like physical abuse that we know of. We did see that video where he was extremely

09:49verbally abusive to her. So if she didn't want to use that one, that new law that protects,

09:56it's like a battered women law that protects people that are here on a visa, she could file

10:00for that. But it looks like she's just trying to wait out the process. Like she, she clearly doesn't

10:05want to be the rob, but she also doesn't want to, to bother the process that's already going on.

10:11She doesn't want a divorce. She doesn't want him to be with nobody either.

10:16Yeah. Well, yeah, that is also really interesting. Because Rob said that they had sex one time in

10:232023. And if you listen to Sophie, because his stomach started hurting one and a half times in

10:33an entire year, but she's very bothered if he looks at pornography, or he satisfies himself

10:41and I was like, well, he's a guy, you know, like you would expect, because you know, Jasmine was

10:47moved out of the damn house. You moved out. As soon as you moved out, it's done. It's done.

10:54As far as I'm concerned, you tell me you're moving out, then that's that's a wrap.

11:01Yeah. Oh, wait. So this girl, Sophia Jones says that she's the one who introduced him to the idea

11:06of a K1 visa. That's an interesting statement. I didn't know. I didn't know that that was,

11:10you know, I didn't hear their specific story. But it's interesting that it was her idea, because

11:15that makes a hell of a lot of sense. Because she seems to be the one that wanted to get over here

11:20so bad. And another thing that I was thinking about tonight, she had a whole friend group,

11:25she had a whole circle of people over here when she got here, which is really telling.

11:32Like she, it means that this plan was calculated. It was premeditated. She knew that she wanted to

11:37get over here. She knew that she had people waiting. She had Kay waiting to take her in.

11:41You know, she had a lot of things planned out as though that she knew the wedding and the marriage

11:48wasn't going to work out. And within three months, she had already moved out of the house. Like it

11:53was already that situation of, oh, well, I can't be with this person. And she always keeps saying

11:59the statement, if you knew what I was going through. And I think Liz was kind of irritated

12:05with that. She's like, well, show us. She was like, pull up some receipts. Let's see voice

12:09notes. Let's see text message. Let's see all of this stuff that he put you through so we can

12:14understand better why you abandoned a marriage three months into it. And you won't divorce him

12:20and let him go. You just want to keep him dangling, you know, from this little string.

12:25Like he keeps calling and saying, I want to work it out. You don't want to work it out.

12:28You know, like what did he do that was so horrible? Because we're all here,

12:32you know, to hear what really happened. And it was really funny because she was like,

12:36oh, I don't have a voice note. My mom has it. Her mom doesn't have the voice note.

12:39And I'm beginning to think that she's a little more manipulative than I gave her credit for.

12:45Right? Like I didn't think that she was like super, super manipulative. But I think that

12:50at this point, her and her mom are painting a picture of Rob that might not necessarily be

12:56accurate. Yep. I was Team Sophie from the beginning. And then this season changed everything

13:04for me. I'm definitely Team Rob and I have been for a while. This girl, she's immature. She

13:13shouldn't be here. She's controlling. She's entitled. Like she just needs to go home.

13:20Just go back home. But we all know she's going on whatever last resort. Yeah, which

13:28figure something out in the house to make. Well, maybe this can be their final chapter,

13:33right? Because Molly and Kelly, that was their final chapter. Kalani and Osweilo,

13:38they're their final chapter. Like maybe this will be the end. We don't have to deal with their crap

13:41anymore. Because somebody said this to me the other day. They were like, we got Rob and Sophie

13:45back to back to back. Yep. And I think that's why she's so irritating to me. Because I was like,

13:52we got Jasmine and Gina back to back. Yeah. And I think, and Osweilo as well.

13:58You're right. And I think that's why I'm so like, because you know, a lot of times I'm rooting for

14:02people. I want them to work. And at this point, the people that we got back to back, it seems like

14:07they were all doomed from the start. So we couldn't really even have been rooting for them

14:11to begin with. Because anyone with common sense could see that they weren't going to work out.

14:16So watching like Jasmine and Gino and watching Ashley and Manuel and watching Rob and Sophie

14:21season, then their season ends and they're right on the next one. Then that season,

14:24they're right on. It's just, we're watching a doomed marriage in each state of failure.

14:30You're right. And it's like, it's building this negative outlook on the people involved.

14:34And I don't want to be negative towards people. I don't ever think that when someone's marriage

14:37falls apart, it's good. But sometimes in these situations, the way people are being treated,

14:42especially in the Michael and Angela situation, sometimes when a marriage falls apart and people

14:46are set free, it is good. It is a good thing. I don't want to celebrate the end of a marriage,

14:53but when somebody is being mistreated the way that Michael and Rob and I don't know,

14:58I want to say Ashley might be being mistreated too at this point. We're going to get into that.

15:02But I do want people to be treated better. So I want to talk about Ashley and Manuel,

15:06because tonight Manuel finally admitted that he's hoarding money. He's taking money from

15:11Ashley and he's putting it away. He didn't say that he was using it as a way to leave her or as

15:17a safety net, but he just said that she spends too much money and he wants to be the saver

15:23in the relationship. So I want to get Charles' reaction. Do you think that that's really what's

15:28going on with the money? Do you think the money is actually in the house, like Manuel said? Or

15:33do you think the money is somewhere else being stashed waiting for him?

15:36It is with him.

15:37Yeah, in New York with his wife.

15:42So you think that the money, because it's interesting, he would say like, oh,

15:46I need $300, like by his definition, and then he would, he only would need like 100 or 200.

15:52And then he would take, he was skimming, what do you call it when you skim some off the top?

15:56Isn't that embezzlement? I think that's basically what embezzlement is. He was basically embezzling

16:02money from her. He would ask for a specific amount, which he needed a lower amount, and then

16:07he would skim the other part off the top for himself. And that in itself is such a horrible

16:13form of distrust, right? Like to say, like if I asked Dee Dee, if I called you and I was like,

16:18oh my God, I need $300 right now, but I only needed 100, and then you give me $300 and I take

16:24200 and I just keep it, that's basically fraud, right? Like I defrauded you out of your money

16:30because I made it seem like I needed something that I didn't, and I'm just benefiting. And that's

16:34why there's laws against fraud and embezzlement and money laundering, because that's literally

16:39what people have been doing for decades. They get money out of people out of false pretenses.

16:44And then he said something tonight, which everybody in the cast was really surprised by,

16:49especially her sisters. He said that he still doesn't know if he's fully into this marriage,

16:55because they were like, would you ever leave her? And he was like, maybe. And I thought that

17:00that was really ballsy, because she's paying his child support. She's supplying everything in his

17:06life right now, and he still isn't 100% sold that he even wants to be with her.

17:10But you know, Patrick, he had some good things to say tonight, and I was kind of proud of him.

17:19When he said, you know, she's talking about how it takes time, and she's too busy, and

17:25you know, she's running a business, and she's doing this, and blah, blah, blah. So she didn't

17:28have time to fill out the paperwork. And then Patrick says, but you had time to do a post-op.

17:36That's so true. That is so true. And she has time to go to the gym.

17:42Four hours a day. So yeah, I want to talk about this. So the paperwork is not fully filled out.

17:47And you know, we learned from Gino that this paperwork is not something that a normal person

17:52should be even doing, right? You should hire an attorney who specializes in this paperwork,

17:56because Gino thought that he knew what he was doing, and he forgot to list her kids.

18:00And now they have to go through a whole nother two-year process to get her kids, however many

18:05it is, on this list, right? And you know, and Ashley was like, oh, this is a hard process.

18:10I was like, yeah, it is difficult. And I don't think that you should be doing it. And Manuel

18:16said that he's really upset because he would like to work and contribute. How much do you agree

18:21with that? Do you agree that he would rather be out making his own money? Or do you think that

18:25that's the last step in his plan once he's able to work that he can fully remove Ashley from his

18:31life? He wants to go to work. Once he gets that green card, he's gone. That's what his whole

18:37plan is. He said in the beginning, whenever they got married, before they got married,

18:43he said that this was only, this was only a 10-year contract.

18:48Well, yeah, he did. That was literally what he said at the wedding.

18:51Yeah. I mean, it's in the episode. Go back and watch it.

18:55Yeah. So he wants this green card ASAP. But just like we've said from the beginning,

19:02the second he gets it, boom, he's moving home to his wife.

19:07So do you think that the money he's been skimming off the top is probably his

19:13money that he's going to use for his exit when he leaves? So he doesn't have to, you know,

19:18he has the money. Because, you know, when you can't work, you know, you have to have a safety

19:23fund to get you where you need to go. Because, you know, Michael learned that. He was like,

19:27I want to leave, but how do I make that happen? You can't just walk out and leave when you don't

19:32have money, a passport, a license. You definitely have to have a plan. And I think the money that

19:37he's skimming off the top is his plane ticket or his ride there or whatever he needs to do.

19:45Also, one more thing happened. Hold on. I forgot. I lost my train of thought. But

19:50I want to talk about that. When I get it, we're going to get into that. But I just want to really

19:55think about Manuel's plan in general, right? Because he said that, Ashley said that she still

20:03has zero relationship with his kids. And in my opinion, you know, as a stepmother that's paying

20:10child support, y'all should be having at least a conversation. Like, I would need a little

20:15confirmation. Like when I send money over there, I just want to talk to the kids and ask, did you

20:20get the school supplies? Or did you get the clothes? Did you get what I sent?

20:24My mommy has it and we're waiting for my daddy to come home.

20:28But his kids are not in Ecuador. I mean, come on. They're right down the road.

20:40So Ashley is working out four hours a day. And she said that it's more so so she can

20:48clear her mind from all the craziness in her life. So she's stressed out. And I mean,

20:54I understand the situation with her being stressed out. Her sisters were on the tell-all.

20:58And her sisters really don't understand, you know, how Ashley can look past all of the issues.

21:05I don't understand how someone can work out four hours a day.

21:10Well, even Patrick, you know, who's a bodybuilder or was a bodybuilder, even he said that was a lot,

21:17right? And I think bodybuilders work out at least an hour a day, seven days a week. And

21:20Patrick was like, that seems like, you know, a crazy way to spend four hours of your day.

21:28So what do you think she's really doing? Right? Because that first thing that crossed my mind was,

21:32I'm not even trying to sound mean, but Ashley, I think if you work out four hours a day every day,

21:38you would look a little more toned, right? So what do you think Ashley's doing all day

21:42while Manuel's sitting at home? Spying on Manuel.

21:46Like checking his location and watching what he's doing. Because it's hard.

21:54But if she's running a business, a million dollar business, if she's running this business,

22:00and I mean, I've owned businesses before in the past, I had four of them. And I worked them 18

22:09hours plus a day, just to get them off the ground. If you're running a business, and you've

22:17got a fiance from another country, you don't have four times to go hang out at the damn gym.

22:24Like, she's full of shit.

22:27So, okay. So Manuel admitted that he has put in zero effort to learn English. So what do you

22:36think is going on with that? Because Thais, she explained that it was important for her,

22:41she went to school to do it. And Jasmine, she chipped in and was like, yeah, I had to do it.

22:47I wanted to do it. It was something that I spent time with. And Manuel is just basically,

22:52he's not motivated to do that. Because he has zero intentions to stay with Ashley.

22:59But wouldn't speaking English be helpful just in general, right?

23:03Not if your wife and all your family talk Spanish.

23:08Well, what about like outside interaction in the world? Because everyone isn't bilingual,

23:14like in America, a lot of people, but where they live in New York, or Newark, or wherever it is

23:21they live, the most of the population is Hispanic.

23:25Oh, so you okay, so in his mind, where he's going to end up, English is not necessary. So that's

23:34the consensus. Because where he is now, it probably is necessary. In Rochester, there probably is a

23:39smaller Spanish speaking community, but where his family is, where he's going to end up when he

23:45leaves, when he gets his green card, it won't be necessary. Because you know, here in Florida,

23:49there's quite a few places, especially in Miami and parts of Kissimmee, you don't need to learn,

23:53you don't need to speak English at all. Everyone is bilingual. Literally from doctors to cashiers,

24:00every single person can speak English or Spanish. Literally, when I go to the store,

24:04they'll start speaking to me in Spanish. And then they'll say, Oh, do you want English?

24:07Like, it literally doesn't matter, you know, whatever works for you. So I can understand if

24:12his family is in an area like that, it's unnecessary. But getting a job, even with

24:18getting a job, you don't really need it, you can still work perfectly fine not being able to speak

24:22English. I think he understands English. Well, I think he understands and speaks more than he

24:29lets on. He just wants her to think that he he doesn't. Because I think maybe he's trying to

24:37catch on to our are talking at what's what I'm looking for. I think he's I think he is wanting

24:44to see what she talks about. He's wanting to listen about what she talks about. Because if

24:48she thinks that he doesn't speak English or understand English, then she's going to be more

24:53open and then she's going to talk about more things. Does that make sense?

24:58Yeah, okay. So he's a fly on the wall. So when she's on the phone, and she's talking,

25:03he can understand everything going on. So he actually has a better picture of what she's

25:08doing all the time. Yeah, then she realizes Yeah, so he's actually able to take advantage of a lot

25:14of different situations. Like for instance, she gets a phone call, say she's getting $3,000 back

25:19in taxes, and she gets a phone call. She's talking about it on the phone. He understands

25:24everything going on. She doesn't think he understands everything. But he now knows that

25:28there's more money that he can put in his fund. Yeah, so I get that. So pretending like because

25:33you know, the whole thing with intelligent people is they pretend to be stupid. Because when you

25:39need people to underestimate what you're capable of in order for you to succeed. So smart people

25:45are very good at pretending that they don't know what's going on, or they don't understand what's

25:49going on. Because that's the best way to manipulate the situation. Because the more information you

25:53have, the better you're going to come out in the end. So I did notice a few times during the tell

26:00all tonight, when people were talking to him, he would react right away after someone said something

26:06in English. And I was like, well, you understood what that word meant, or you understood what that

26:11word meant. And I couldn't prove that he understood the whole statement. But his reaction was very in

26:16line with the statement they made in English. And that was really interesting.

26:22He understands it. Well, I mean, if you really think about it, if you really think about it,

26:28scammers are more smarter than smart people. You gotta know how to outsmart the smart people.

26:38But in Ashley's situation, she's not smart. But I'm just saying, if she was smart, or just a

26:46little bit smart, then she would know she would realize I mean, she lives with the man. And if

26:53she's not, if she says she knows him, she doesn't really know him. Because if you if she knew him,

26:58then she would be able to understand and be able to see that this man actually understands

27:02English, speaks English and understands everything she's saying. But she's not smart

27:08enough to realize. Do you think that like, if his phone was to ring, and she wasn't in the house,

27:14she was out, he could have a whole conversation in English? Do you think he's probably that good?

27:19I don't think he's that fluent. But I think he very much understands.

27:23Oh, he can. Yeah. He can he can get by. Yeah.

27:29Oh, wait, Portuguese princess says Ashley's a psychic. Well,

27:32you're right. Ashley should know that he can understand English.

27:36She ain't no freaking psychic. She ain't no witch. She ain't know what all that other stuff

27:42she claims to be. Ashley ain't nothing. Ashley is in denial. That's what Ashley is.

27:47I want to get on a weird topic. This is gonna be weird, everybody. But so Sophie was talking

27:54about Rob being unfaithful to her. And she was saying that since they were married, he shouldn't

28:00be pleasing himself. And I wanted to ask, if you're married, is it not okay for either person

28:09to do that? Or like, I'm confused, because I didn't realize that being married meant that you

28:14are no longer allowed to do that. Because in Sophie's mind, it's it's either they have sex

28:20together, or he doesn't do anything at all. And Jasmine is actually on the same page as Sophie

28:24with that. She doesn't believe that the man should do any type of self pleasure whatsoever.

28:30So is that a cultural thing or, or an immaturity level?

28:35The two main ones that are cheating on their spouses.

28:38Also, I want to point out the two main ones that refuse to have sex with their spouses.

28:44Yep.

28:45Because Jasmine said that she avoids sex with him. And well, actually,

28:48with Gino and Jasmine, it's mutual, they avoid each other. But Rob has been trying to initiate

28:54intimacy with Sophie since she got here, and she avoids it at all costs. But she also doesn't want

29:00him to actually self please himself. So I was like, there has to be a medium in between, right?

29:05Like you have to either offer it to him, right as a wife, or if you're if you're going to refuse,

29:12wouldn't it be better for him to do that than to just go and find another woman to do it with?

29:17Right? I'm really confused that her logic with that,

29:19that none of that makes any sense. None of that.

29:23I mean, I get that. Well, okay. So wait, do you consider of self pleasure a form of cheating?

29:30No.

29:32Because I didn't either. Didi, do you?

29:34No, I mean, no. And to answer your question to know, it's not a form of cheating. But some couples,

29:42they both do it. You know what I'm saying? Each couple is different. So I mean, if they're both

29:49okay with it, then hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess.

29:59You can't talk to other women, you can't step out. I'm not going to live with you. I'm not

30:04going to have sex with you. The only thing you can do is me. But you got to catch me.

30:09Well, right. You have to locate me and get me to answer your call because I'm not going to do that

30:14either. It's just, it's really confusing because she feels in her heart that she's the victim,

30:20right? Like she started crying. And she was telling the story of how she had a custom

30:26item made and used it and it wasn't enough. And he was still looking at pornography. And I get

30:33that pornography can be a real issue in relationships when the person is more into

30:39pornography than their spouse. But I don't think that that's the case with Rob. Rob has made it

30:44very clear that he would love to sleep with Sophie every day. She's not making that an option. Like,

30:49I don't think that he is pushing because I think in the Jasmine-Geno situation, Jasmine is saying

30:54that Geno would rather go in the other room and do that than be around her.

30:59The Jasmine and Geno pornography thing, that one strikes a different chord. Because

31:05is watching pornography okay? Absolutely. Knock yourself out. Do what you got to do.

31:11Is watching pornography of your ex okay? Absolutely fucking.

31:16Yeah. See, that's true. That's true. Because that's a real person that you could have access

31:23to. Pornography is, I think when you put in a big picture, it's a fantasy world of things

31:30that aren't real. Like if you're watching a cartoon, that's a fantasy world. They're not

31:34real people. None of this is real. You can't have any outside interaction with these people in real

31:39life. This is only a fantasy. But when, like you said, when you put a real person into the mix

31:44that you could call, text, or see, because this ex actually lived in Michigan where Geno lived,

31:50that is different. Someone you slept with. Someone you slept with in the past.

31:53That is not okay. You don't need to continuously be searching for that. You left that. You're

32:00with me now. You don't need to be having any form of contact like that. There's so many different

32:09levels to that. But Geno's level is a little bit different if that's what's really happening.

32:15But I also don't know that I believe Jasmine.

32:19Well, I don't know either. Because at first, remember at first she was like,

32:25oh, I'm avoiding sex with Geno because I don't want to get pregnant. And then she's like,

32:30I'm avoiding sex with Geno because, you know, we're fighting. And then she's like, I'm trying.

32:36And then when he took her on that trip to Florida, he was trying to have sex with her. And she was

32:40like, no. And it's like, I don't know. Her story is different every time we talk to her about it.

32:46But also Geno's coming from when he says, when everybody's just like, bang it out,

32:51bang it out, bang it out. And he's like, can you imagine? Yes, Jasmine's beautiful

32:58to look at from afar. But if you had to listen to her screeching at you every single day,

33:05day in, day out, and none of it was positive, that would take a serious toll on you mentally,

33:12physically, emotionally, sexually, in every manner. Like you would not, I could not handle

33:18being in a room with her. Just what I see on TV. Somebody brought up to me something called

33:25performance anxiety. And it's when a man can't perform when they're, it's like when someone is

33:33verbally attacking you, or they make you really nervous. It can be triggered by lots of different

33:38things. But Jasmine is a bully to Geno. I hate to say it, but it's just realistically,

33:44she's a bully. She says things that a hateful bully would say to you. So Geno might actually

33:51have performance anxiety to where he can't physically perform with someone who says such

33:57vile, horrible things to him. And that's a real condition, right? Like it's a legitimate condition

34:03where somebody has hurt you, they bully you, they harassed and abused you for so long that you

34:07couldn't make yourself perform with that person. How many times has Jasmine told him to his face

34:17that she has cheated on him multiple times. She has cheated on him with her ex, and her ex,

34:25you know what, better than he does. Yeah. And she also told him to on the bike ride with her

34:32sister that she fakes every orgasm. It's on the episode, go back and watch it.

34:40You're right, you're right. And then she wonders why.

34:44Why would, okay, like, even with a woman, if a man is faking, like tells you that,

34:52you know, he's cheating on you with this one, and that one or with his ex, and she's better than you

34:57in the bed. And he's faking orgasms and stuff like that. We're not gonna have sex with you either.

35:05Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you. Actually, I agree. Speaking of Jasmine. So

35:12we had a Lauren and Alexi segment tonight. I apologize in advance for everybody that watched

35:17that. But we found out from Jasmine that there's a surgery that she's interested in where they

35:24break your ribs. That's exactly what I kept saying. I'm pretty sure Larissa did this.

35:32That is insanity. Because Jasmine was like, oh, it's my waist. I don't like my waist. And I was

35:36like, what waist? She's so thin. And she looks so great. And I think at this point, it scares me

35:46the lengths that she would be willing to go to change the way she looks. And again,

35:51I always firmly believe that women are fully responsible for the decisions that they make

35:57for their body and what they do to make themselves happy. But breaking your ribs that are perfectly

36:01fine and healthy, right? This isn't like repairing situation. This is just to break them

36:07and remove them. That crosses the line for me. That is putting yourself in physical danger

36:16for no reason whatsoever. Because we saw what Larissa looks like. She's never going to look

36:22the same. The person that she was, she's never going to look like that person again.

36:25And again, as long as she's happy, it's none of our business. But I just really wish that people

36:31would talk to someone or go to therapy before they make these type of life-changing decisions.

36:38Because you can't go back from that. Once they break your ribs and take them out,

36:41you can't put them back. This is an irreversible thing. And yeah, you feel like that today.

36:47But in five or 10 years, are you going to feel that same way? Are you going to still want to

36:51have no waist? That's going to also alter the type of clothing she has to buy. Because they

36:58only make clothes so small. But if they remove her ribs and make her waist like,

37:03have you seen this? There's this lady online who had the surgery. And I want to say her waist is

37:08like this big. It's something really ridiculous. There's a bunch of videos. It's scary to me. She

37:13looks fragile. And honestly, I'm just terrified because your ribs are there as a cage to protect

37:19your body. And then when you go and remove a protective cage, I'm just worried about what

37:24could go wrong. But also, when you take away the space for all your organs,

37:29your organs have to go somewhere. So when your waist goes like this,

37:33your kidneys go up, your intestines go down, vice versa. Where the hell does that shit go?

37:40That's so crossing the line. Yeah. She's talking about breaking her ribs,

37:47putting more fake whatever it is she put in her butt before. Because I don't know what they did

37:53to that woman's butt. But it looks awful. And then one even bigger on her boobs all in the same

38:00time and getting liposuction. I hope she doesn't go back to the doctor that stuffed the packing

38:10peanuts in her shorts. I guess my real thing is what doctor has the morals to say, oh,

38:19you're perfectly healthy and your body is healthy, but I'm going to break your ribs and remove them

38:25just because you want me to. I was under the impression that doctors took an oath to only

38:30do things to help better the lives and health of other people. I'm beginning to think that that's

38:35not a thing anymore. It's like if you have enough money, they'll just do what you ask.

38:40And I think that's what's scary. I think doctors need to have a moral high ground

38:44that says, hey, this doesn't add any improvement to your health. And you're not in danger of any

38:52ailments or issues. So I'm not going to do that because I don't feel comfortable. But now

38:57doctors are like, do you have the 20 grand? Yeah, let's get it done. And I think that's what's

39:01scary. Some doctors will even write down the wrong thing just for your insurance to pay for it.

39:07That's really scary now. To the point where because there's a story that

39:12recently leaked about Matthew Perry, and they arrested five people who helped in his death,

39:19two of them were doctors. I think that is what really, I mean, I get that regular people,

39:25we are regular people, our morals may not be as high. But if you're a doctor, a lawyer,

39:30a police officer, FBI, you should have higher morals than everyone else. You should make

39:35better decisions, especially doctors. So prescribing and then the fact that those

39:39doctors were text messaging back and forth, saying, oh, this moron, how much you think he'll

39:44buy? That's what's scary. And then there's people like Jasmine and Lauren who are putting their

39:50lives in the hands of people like this, right? These are the people that you're putting your

39:55lives into. They value money over your human life. Whatever procedure you have, as long as

40:01you can pay them, they will do it. It might not be healthy. You know, it might be an extreme risk,

40:06but they're still gonna do it. And I think that's what's scary when I see,

40:10well, men and women, they're suffering through body dysmorphia, and they're going about it in

40:16the wrong way. It starts in the mind. So in my opinion, if I was a doctor, I would make a person

40:21go to a psychiatrist. And when they finished and the psychiatrist signed off on it, then they can

40:26come back to me as a doctor. Yeah, you know, I feel like there should be a process. It shouldn't

40:31just be as long as you have the money in your pocket, you can get whatever you have done.

40:35Because medical procedures should improve your health, right?

40:39I completely agree. Yeah, me too.

40:42So we got a little issue tonight. We got to talk about Lauren and Alexi, because Alexi had a little

40:51male chauvinism tonight. Like he said that he wants his wife to be a mother and to take care

40:57of the home. And he kind of has an alpha male side to him. I never saw that with him. But I

41:04did see it a little bit tonight. Do y'all think that this is all BS? You think that they were just

41:08trying to add to their story? Because I just don't see Alexi as telling Lauren what to do. First of

41:13all, Lauren is loud. And I feel like she would just scream at him. Like I don't see that that

41:17would be the issue. So I was just wondering how y'all felt about that.

41:20She's so extremely entitled. This was had to be for show. But I don't blame him. I mean, he

41:27he is not wrong. He stepped up through all this surgery bullshit. Yeah, he saw what she does. But

41:35he does that to everything but the laundry. But he's also working outside the home. So you cannot

41:41compare the two. I you just can't compare the two. Is a mom's job hard? Absolutely. But you can't

41:52expect a man to be 5050 and go outside the home work and then come home and pick up 50% of your

42:01work that you were home all day. Yeah. You know, I mean, that there's just a line there for me. I

42:09have I it I defend stay at home moms. I defend working moms. I'm all defend moms all day long.

42:17But I will also defend the dads. I will defend every dad that goes outside the home to work. I

42:22will defend every single dad. Like if you're married, it's a partnership. I don't give a shit

42:27who does more of what it's still a partnership. So for them to try to make him look like this

42:33piece of shit chauvinistic pig who just wants his wife home, play and mom like the old days.

42:40There's so much more to that story that they they just had to paint him as a bad guy.

42:45I think yeah, I don't think he was trying to be a chauvinist. I think he was trying to make a point

42:52and I think he was actually trying to make a good point. Because she's being selfish. She's not

42:58thinking about she's not thinking about no. She's not thinking about him. She's not thinking about

43:03the children. She's not thinking about nothing. The only thing that she's thinking about is

43:07herself. She even admitted to not that that was a selfish move.

43:12Well, yeah, you're right. Lauren is definitely a self centered person. And this started long

43:18before the surgery. Like this is as long as we've seen her on the show. She's been very

43:22so what she said spoke volumes. She said it was selfish of me. It was selfish of me. And in the

43:31same breath said but I want more. So yeah, none of that changed you. You're still a selfish human.

43:38Well, it's funny. If we go back, back, whenever they first came on, they get married. Everything

43:49seems good. She begs Alexi for kids. Yep. Yeah. Am I right or am I wrong? Yeah, he didn't want

43:57them. He cried. And she cried. And she said she was depressed and all this other stuff because

44:05she wanted children. Right or wrong? Yep. You're right. You're right. Okay, now what is she doing?

44:11She cried. Yep. Man, she's depressed because she has children. She cries all the time.

44:21Your self happiness, your center of happiness doesn't come from a husband, a wife, children,

44:26a job that has to come from within other things. And other people can't be the foundation of what

44:33makes you happy. And I think she builds things on what she's like, well, I don't like the way I look.

44:38That's why I'm not happy. Or if I had kids, I'll be more happy. And I think that she puts all of

44:42things all of being happy on something that she thinks she wants. And then when she gets it,

44:48she realized that wasn't the void that she needed to feel. And I think that, you know,

44:53she might definitely have some voids and issues going on with her inner self.

44:58But it's what I'm hearing is she's from what I'm hearing from a mom, I'm a mom. So is what I'm

45:06hearing is she's blaming the way her body looks on her kids. Well, that's what I'm hearing.

45:15She said that before she got pregnant, she was skinny. She was fit. And now she said,

45:21well, since I've had kids, my body looks like this. My body looks like that. I didn't think

45:26my body would be this way after having children. Hello, having kids changes your body.

45:35She knows that because she also made the statement. She's like, well, if I got pregnant again,

45:40my boobs would get bigger. So she knows the process. She just doesn't like the way that

45:45the process worked with her. And again, I think that she wants what she wants when she wants it,

45:52and then she changes her mind. But the issue with children, you can't change your mind with that.

45:56Once you have them, you have them. You know, because like, she's like,

46:00I was little bitty and skinny before I got pregnant. I was 103 pounds. I was very little.

46:08I'm five foot three. I was a very little person. I had my son. I worked to lose the weight. I had

46:16my daughter. I worked less hard to lose the weight. My body changed dramatically. I'm very,

46:23I'm the heaviest I've ever been in my life. And I wouldn't change a single thing about it

46:28because my perfect children is what caused my body. And I'm not even a little, do I wish I

46:34looked better? Absolutely. But only I can change that. I don't need some freaking doctor to change

46:39it for me. If I want to change my body, I'm going to work my ass off and make it happen.

46:44But until then, here I am. She said that she had a new belly button

46:52constructed because the old belly button was destroyed by her C-section scar.

46:56I didn't realize how serious the changes were that she, because again, we didn't see them.

47:01We didn't understand it. The belly button looks pretty natural to me, not going to lie.

47:05I couldn't tell that that was a constructed belly button. It was in the right spot. It was the right

47:09shape. Everything looks good. I just was really surprised at how, how much she said the surgery

47:15entailed because I didn't see those results. And I think, well, I think Alexi said it. He was like,

47:21she didn't, she, they needed fat and she didn't have any fat. And he told them that her butt was

47:26off limits. He was like, don't take any fat out of there. That's ridiculous. Just stop. Because

47:31like, honestly, her butt's small enough, you know, and she didn't have any fat. And I guess

47:35her, her whole issue is she doesn't want to use silicone in her body. So it has to be natural

47:42fat. And cause she could easily, you know, like Jasmine, you could just get two massive silicone

47:49implants and put them in there and you have no issue. You don't need any fat, but she doesn't

47:53want to use silicone, which I'm really confused by because it's been proven that silicone is not

47:58a really bad substance. I mean, let's be real. It's not a great substance to put in your body,

48:03but there's no proof that it's going to give you cancer or injure life. So I'm not exactly

48:08sure why she's so against silicone, but she said that she's just, she's just, I just can't with

48:19her. I just like, I feel this silicone can bust to make you sick. It won't kill you, but it will

48:27make you sick. And you're wanting this fat transfer and they've literally sucked it out of

48:35every spot possible. And you go, I wish my boobs were bigger. Well, then eat a fucking cake,

48:44get some fat on your body, then have it transferred. You can't go in as a skeleton

48:51and be like, now I want it all moved. That's not how that works. You don't have the fat to

48:57transfer. She could do it if she would use silicone because Jasmine did it. She went in

49:03as a skeleton and she came out with massive boobs, but you have to, you got to compromise

49:08a little bit. Right. And I mean, I respect people that want to make sure that they don't put

49:13anything foreign in their body because I didn't realize I think a rupture that's, that's scary.

49:17That's, that's scary. And I don't know what that liquid would do in your body. So that's

49:21really scary. I think that people should definitely think about those types of risks,

49:26especially when you have a family and kids. And I think Lauren, like you said, she's very selfish.

49:31She's very self-centered and she's the only person in her forefront of her mind. And it's weird

49:37because when a lot of people say, when you become a parent, you know, men and women, when you become

49:42a parent, that forefront thinking is supposed to change. And I don't feel like it did with Lauren.

49:48I feel like she's still the same self-centered person. And it's weird because Alexei is,

49:53he thinks about his kids a lot. And when he makes decisions, he puts them in the forefront

49:58of his mind and the decisions. But I feel like Lauren is more so, well, if I want to do it,

50:02I just should do it. And everyone else has to deal with it. It's a really weird dynamic.

50:07Oh, so they left before going back to the house, the mansion, and they were saying goodbye. And

50:14they said that Sophie and, who was Sophie and somebody else? Who was it? Saiz gave her a half

50:25ass hug. And then things kind of escalated, you know, and they were like, well, actually Sophie

50:31was like, it's not fair. You should just stay here and complete the process. And then she was like,

50:35well, how about I just stay here and you say all you want to say, I'll give you five minutes of my

50:39time. And it got really heated. And I did feel like Lauren did, in that moment, sound like she

50:46was talking down to everybody else there. Because she kept saying like, oh, I don't think I'm better

50:50than everyone. Or I don't think that, you know, the newer cast are below me or whatever. In that

50:56moment, when she was talking in that moment, she did come across as, you should be lucky that y'all

51:02even got to meet me. Like I did get that vibe from her. But she also said to all their face,

51:09we have kids at home and he has work. Like, first of all, like none of these cast members work.

51:15Every one of them, except for maybe Sophie. But Emily's sitting there with two kids at home and

51:21pregnant. Like ready to pop any day. Saiz and Patrick have a kid. Like that was, that pissed

51:31me off more than anything. Well, I agree that having children is not a valid excuse, because

51:39everybody had that same issue. Right? Like when they were planning on being there, you know,

51:44Jasmine and Gino and Manuel and Ashley and Robin Sophie, everybody else had that issue. You know,

51:49they had to make sure that their kids are going to be watching. And if everyone dedicated,

51:53apparently they were there for a week. That's crazy, right? I never realized that they were

51:57there for a week. That is a long time though, for a parent to be away from their children. So

52:03it might've been smarter for them to bring a sitter or a family member with them on the trip.

52:08They did.

52:10They did?

52:11Maybe they did. We don't know.

52:14That's true. That's true. I mean, I want to be sympathetic because I'm terrified of the idea

52:20of strange people watching people's children. So like if they really didn't have anyone that

52:25they could trust to watch their children, I support them getting on a plane and going back

52:29to be there for their children. I'm not going to hold that against them because I watch the news,

52:34right? There's enough weird, terrible stuff going on. So if they felt that it was the

52:38best thing for them to leave, to be there for their kids, I respect parents that make those

52:43decisions. I just do. Because you just don't know.

52:46You can't make it like you're the better parent because you have kids and you got to go when

52:52these other parents are sitting there. That's not okay to throw that in their face. I've got

52:59kids and we've got jobs and blah, blah, blah. Like all you pieces of shit down here that have

53:05the exact same thing going on that we do. We just got to go. You don't get it like that.

53:12It did come across that way. And it's funny because a lot of people that talk about

53:17them that have met them before, say that they give off those snooty, stuck up vibes, right?

53:23I've never met them in person, so I would never say that that's accurate. But watching the way

53:28that when she sat down, she's like, you got five minutes. I was just like, that was really

53:33entitled and bratty. And you are talking down to them at this point. And it's funny because she

53:40kept defending that. Throughout the whole tell-all, she kept saying, I don't think we're

53:44better than everyone. I was like, why do you keep saying that? If you really don't feel that way,

53:49why do you keep defending that over and over? She said that like seven or eight times. And it's like,

53:53if you have to keep saying it over and over, I start to think maybe it's true and you just don't

53:58want it to be true. Right? Yeah. The guilty dog always barks.

54:02Yeah, she brought it up a lot. Before we get cut off at our hour, I just want to address

54:08something that Angela said that really burned my ass. So God bless Kobe for standing up for Michael

54:16when he starts saying what's on his mind. And she turns and looks at Michael and she says,

54:22take up for me. You never take up for me. Yeah, you literally have thrown this man under the bus.

54:30You told everyone about his wet dreams. You literally just you've done nothing but smear him.

54:37You've never taken up for him once. Why in God's earth would you expect him to do that for you?

54:45After you just told him, I hired a private investigator, you've been scamming, you're a

54:49piece of shit, blah, blah, blah. You want him to stand up and be like, don't talk about my sweet

54:55lady that way. Yeah, I caught that too. It's very interesting how she feels that she, but I do

55:02believe that Angela is like, oh, he's below me and he should worship me, you know, for what I've

55:08given him. And it's like, well, what have you given him? Because so far that he's been here,

55:11he doesn't seem very happy. You're like, what is, what should he be grateful for?

55:16But you know, like when you all appreciate the fact that he started a GoFundMe to fight her

55:21and he had a goal of $25,000. Last time I checked, he was at almost 40 grand.

55:27So that says so much about who he is versus who she is, because if she started a GoFundMe,

55:35it gets shut down so fast. They take that down.

55:40Yeah, I agree. All right. So we're going to, we're running out of time. Actually,

55:44we're out of time. So we're going to talk more next week because the interaction between Kobe

55:49and Angela will conclude next week, but it kind of looked like she took a swung at him.

55:54So, yeah, so we definitely got to talk about that.

55:58And the moderator test as well.

56:01Yeah. So I want to get into that. So that's part five. That's the last part of this teller. We're

56:06going to be concluding Happily Ever After and possibly the conclusion of Angela on

56:12Happily Ever After or any other show, right? This could be the end, but then we're going to get into

56:19the last resort, but we'll talk about that again next week too. But we're going to talk about

56:23Forbidden Love and The Other Way tomorrow. So we'll be back tomorrow and we'll talk about The

56:28Other Way and Forbidden Love. Make sure you're following my co-hosts, Kar and Dede. They're

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