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00:00What is up? We're a day late, but we're going to get through some before the 90 days chat
00:13tonight and episode four before the 90 days. We're going to get into that and Gina will
00:20be here to discuss with us tonight. Gina's here. We're a day late, dial short, but we're
00:28going to, we're going to still, we're going to still jump in.
00:35It's here. I believe Vange is going to be on. She's going to be featured on before the
00:3890 days, if I'm not mistaken. She has not been introduced yet, but I believe she will
00:43be. Hey. Hey. How are you? How are you feeling? I'm feeling okay. I'm feeling better. I can
00:53hear it in the voice. Yeah. I feel a little better. I'm not fully a hundred percent. I
00:58still got some weird stuff going on in my voice and the throat, but I'm better than
01:02I was. Like, I think I told you, you know, last week I spent like Tuesday, the entire
01:07Tuesday, like 24 hours in the bed. Yeah. I think it was like a 72 hour thing for you
01:13or like Tuesday, Wednesday. I'm like, yeah, we'll talk about mama's boy at another date
01:17and time. Yeah. Which we still have to do by the way. So I'll get with you on that.
01:23But we're on before the 90 days, episode four, and there's some, some key points that I want
01:30to get into on this because Brian had a scene where he came clean about how he ended up
01:37in the chair. But before that, we found out that, I don't know the best way to say this.
01:42I don't want to say he necessarily lied about his age. He lied. He lied. Well, yeah, because
01:49she thought he was 43 when they met, they had known for each other for two years. He
01:54was 40. He should have been 45 when he arrived in Brazil. He's 51, which is like three years
02:00younger than her father. And I have a theory, right? So my theory is, you know how people
02:06go on dating apps and they exaggerate. Like for instance, do you remember Scott? There
02:11was a screenshot of Scott, E. Scott on a dating app. And the age that he had on the dating
02:18app was not his actual age. It was younger. And I'm beginning to realize that men and
02:24women do this a lot. They shave off years. So because apparently when you're on a dating
02:31app, you have an age range of people that you're interested in. So say for instance,
02:37if he's 51, a woman of Ingrid age 33 might not have an age range that goes all the way
02:44up to 51. So he still wants to talk to women younger. So he shaves off five or six years,
02:51which I don't know how acceptable this is because I'm not on a dating app and I don't
02:56lie about my age. So what is your initial thought? Because he made it seem like it wasn't
03:01that big a deal. So if you okay, so say you're Ingrid and you're in the car, and you find
03:06out that the guy you're in the car with is 51 and not 45. How do you feel?
03:11Well first, he's been lying about other things too and hiding other stuff as well, right?
03:17So that's the thing. Like first, it's how you got in the wheelchair. Now it's like your
03:22age, there's just so many red flags. And like, she doesn't know he's been engaged like four
03:28or five times to four or five different Brazilian chicks or whatnot. So there's some red flags
03:34there, right? Like, you can shave off like a year or two, but not like six or seven.
03:42Like, let's come on now, right? Like, like, you're like, shave off a year or two, like
03:48I said, but not six or seven or eight or nine years. Like, no, like, it's too bad. Like
03:55he should come to the realization like, I need to put an acceptable age bracket that
04:01I fall under. And then for those that don't want to date within that bracket, that's fine.
04:07That's their loss, not mine. And that's how he should look at it.
04:11Yeah, I think that for most women, I don't want to speak for all women. I actually have
04:16a really good friend of mine. She dates men three times her age and totally is into that.
04:21But for most women-
04:22I know who you're talking about.
04:23Do you? Yeah.
04:24I know who she is.
04:25You know who I'm talking about. She does. She likes men. She actually seeks out men that
04:28are older than her in their 60s, 70s. That's just what she likes. But I do think that for
04:33a lot of women, finding out that the guy that they're dating is their dad's age when they
04:37never set out to date someone their dad's age is crazy. You know, because she's sitting
04:42in the car and she's like, you know, obviously, he's like, he should have been 11 or 12 years
04:47older than her, which may have been her, hey, the diva speaks, that may have been her cutoff,
04:51right? Like, I know, for some people, they don't want to go too old or too young, they
04:56want to keep it in a bracket. And that's how the dating apps work. But when you're
05:01telling people, and again, my theory too, though, if he did have the age in there incorrectly,
05:06because a lot of men do it, right? We see it all the time. I think Big Ed had an age
05:10in there that wasn't accurate either, because they want to get the bracket of the younger
05:14girls, the younger women to reach out. But I think at some point, you should come clean
05:19about your age. And I think that Brian, he might have a pattern of lying, you know, because
05:26you brought that up. And I think he has been married four times, right? He's been engaged
05:30a whole bunch of times. I'm beginning to think that none of this is coincidental. And also,
05:35none of this has to do with him being a quadriplegic. I think it all has to do with the fact that
05:40he lies to women. I think that's where we're seeing the pattern because there's no reason
05:44to lie about the stuff that he's lying about. He could just be really honest. And I think
05:49honesty is the best policy because if like, actually tonight, or last night, Ingrid said
05:55something really interesting. She said, if I would have known that he was a drug dealer,
06:00and he had the past that he had, I might not have actually entertained this. This never
06:04would have happened. So if he would have been honest from the beginning, he could have saved
06:08the money for the plane ticket, right? He could have saved like, because if it's not
06:12going to work out, just because you're omitting information to make things work by the time
06:18your lie comes to light, because all lies come to light at some point, right? By the
06:22time your lie comes to light, you might have put in a lot of money and effort and time
06:26into something that was already going to blow up, you know, because you can't just lie to
06:30people and then expect them to be okay with it. Because he said something interesting
06:34as well. He was like, well, now I feel judged. I was like, well, you should feel judged.
06:39You're a liar. And not only are you a liar, you're a former drug dealer, which I don't
06:43knock anybody's past, you know, but she does have the right reason, right? But she, like
06:49you said, like, continue.
06:50It's more right. It's more so that you're a liar. I don't care that you were a drug
06:55dealer. I don't care about all the stuff you did in your past, whatever. Everybody has
06:57a past. It would be ridiculous for us to interrupt relationships thinking that the person was
07:02born the day we met them, right? Like everybody has a past of some sort. But when you omit
07:06that information, you don't give her the information to make decisions about it. Yes, she's gonna
07:11react the way she reacted. And I thought that she reacted pretty normal for someone to be,
07:17you know, drop that type of information. For two years, all I've been having all these
07:20conversations and never crossed his mind to say, hey, by the way, you know, I was a victim
07:27of a hit, you know, like a hit, a drug hit. And I think that not wanting to feel judged
07:32is one thing, but also not giving someone the information needed to make an educated
07:37decision is another thing because she even said it. She's like, I don't even know if
07:40I would have even entertained this relationship because I'm not interested in somebody who
07:46was doing something like that. And she made a comment. She was like, well, if you never
07:49would have gotten in the chair, what if you would have never stopped selling drugs? And
07:53I think that's where he got really offended. But she has the right to say these things.
07:58This is her initial reaction to hearing this information for the first time in two years,
08:03right?
08:04Yeah, he was basically like throwing landmines at her like, oh, I'm your dad's age. Oh, this.
08:11I was like a drug dealer. Oh, this. Oh, this. Like, like, how did I don't know what he anticipated
08:19her initial reaction would be from all this information being thrown at her.
08:25I thought she reacted well. I thought that it was it was normal for her to react that
08:31way. And I felt like he him being offended and upset was kind of irrelevant because I
08:35always tell people, you can't be the victim in a situation you created. He created this
08:40situation by not being honest. He could have given her this information ahead of time and
08:45she could have had time to think about it, contemplate it, decide whether or not she
08:48accepted it or not. But he didn't. He decided, you know, I'm going to lie to her as long
08:53as it takes till I'm right in front of her. And then it's harder for her to reject me
08:57because I'll be right in front of her. And I hate to say this, but I feel like he feels
09:02that he can get away with more because he's in a wheelchair. Do you get that vibe? Like,
09:08I feel like he doesn't like when people are mean or judge him and he uses like, well,
09:13you should be more understanding of my situation. But being a liar has nothing to do with your
09:18legs or your arms or your limbs or a wheelchair. Being a liar is just a liar.
09:22I think he plays the sympathy card maybe to get his way. And I think I mentioned that
09:29in the last time. Right. So to see how much he can get away with. Right. So how like without
09:37crossing any boundaries, like or without making someone uncomfortable.
09:42Using his situation to keep people from judging him for being a liar. I think it's unfair.
09:52You know, I think it's unfair. And when you withhold information, and I think we've had
09:56this conversation on this podcast before, omitting information is still lying. Because,
10:01again, people make decisions based on the information given. So if you don't give them
10:06any information, and they're making a blindfold decision, they could have made a different
10:10decision had you have given them the better version of information for them to move forward.
10:15So it's still a lie, right? Like not telling people's things is lying to them. Because
10:20we would make different decisions if we were given all of the information ahead of time.
10:25And I think-
10:26It's like a white lie. Like how you tell kids like, oh yeah, Santa Claus and the Tooth
10:31Fairies. It's not even a white lie. It's like, it's a landmine white lie.
10:38Right.
10:39It's not even a white lie.
10:41It's a type of lie where somebody might just stop talking to you all together. Like that's
10:45not a, you know, if you find out, oh, he's 46, not 45. So why lie? It's a stupid lie.
10:53But it's not, oh my god, I'm gonna block you on all platforms. And we're never gonna have
10:57a conversation.
10:58Exactly.
10:59You know, finding out he's six years older, finding out that he, you know, his past is
11:04what got him into the chair and stuff. Like, I don't feel like, I wouldn't judge him based
11:08on his past. I would judge him based on the fact that he just wasn't honest. I want to
11:12make that clear.
11:13And I think the fact that she has to think about, like, I think someone said in the comments,
11:19like, as well, like, she's at risk. I think it was. Yeah, she's at risk. Like, what if
11:26his past comes back? And this person makes a really good point. What if his past does
11:30come back?
11:31That's true.
11:32Right? And she's got kids, right? Her first priority is going to be her kids.
11:37A mob hit, right? Like, um, a gang hit. Those are very dangerous because they go after your
11:42whole family. They don't forgive and they don't forget. So, and it doesn't matter how
11:46many years go by, they don't forget anything. If they, they've been looking for you for
11:5120 years, and they find you, they're going to find you.
11:53There are two things that happen. Either what, like, how the situation happened with
11:58the hit is either you were doing too much of your own supply. We all know that. Or you're
12:04ripping off, you are taking some of the, a lot of the cut. So it's either one you do,
12:11like, you do not get like, shot at or whatnot. If you're a good dealer, right? Like, if you
12:17listen, and you give all the money, you do not get, you do not, like, they like you.
12:24But if you start screwing them over, well, they don't like you. So like, watching so
12:29many, like, my favorite movies are all mob movies. Like, oh, Goodfellas, Casino, like,
12:34yeah, I, yeah, well, Mob Week is my favorite week. So I've seen it all. Like, I analyze
12:40it all.
12:41He made it seem like the mob hit was taken out by his ex-wife. This is how he's making
12:46it seem. And again, it's hard to know when he's telling the truth and when he's not right,
12:50because the whole time we've known him and seen him on the show, he lies. So he's telling
12:53a version of the story, but we don't know how accurate that version of the story is.
12:57Because he's like, oh, I met another woman, and I wasn't in love with my wife anymore.
13:00So I had an affair with this other woman, and then my wife ordered the hit. Possible.
13:05But it does, when someone orders a hit on you, and you're a drug lord, it's usually
13:12involving drugs, right? That's usually what it involves. It doesn't necessarily involve
13:17infidelity, you know, and if she really wanted to get back at him, she could have had some
13:21of her guys jump him. You know, like, you don't typically kill someone or in someone
13:27over infidelity, you know, especially, again, we don't know what version of the story is
13:31the truth, you know, because with Brian, there's so many different versions of everything,
13:35you know, and he only releases just enough information at a time to where people can't
13:41judge him and people can't make any vast decisions or close decisions about who he
13:45is. So I don't know what's going on with this, dude. I just think that when I saw Ingrid
13:50in the car, and I was just thinking, she's probably thinking like, if I was to jump out
13:55of this car, would I get hurt? You know, like, I felt like she was like, I just want to get
13:59out of this situation. Because it's like, you realize that you are in a bad situation.
14:04She didn't do anything wrong to get in that bad situation. He lied to her. You know, like,
14:09he put her in a situation that she doesn't want to be in. And you could see it was very
14:12clear. She was very, very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. And it's almost like she's
14:16in a relationship with a complete stranger. Right? Like, they've been talking.
14:20She doesn't know him.
14:21Right. For two years, they've been talking, but she doesn't have any idea who this person
14:27is. Like, I just saw the uncomfortable, like in the car, I was like, she's probably contemplating
14:32like, next red light, drop and roll, you know, just be gone. Never talk to this person again,
14:38because there's no reason why she should have to put up. But this many bombs dropped
14:43on her in one day. That's just not fair for anybody. We all need time to, to unpack things.
14:48Yeah, and he has no respect for her in processing information. Okay, so I want to talk about
14:54$46 for a 20 day trip. So I wanted to talk about it because Loren admitted that he got
15:05to the Philippines with $46 American in cash, and then he was going to get a paycheck directly
15:11deposited at some point during the 20 days that he was there. So what is your opinion
15:19of that? Because I probably spend more than $46 on coffee and lunch in one day. So like,
15:25what is your opinion of going to a foreign country for 20 days and you're spending money
15:30as $46? Like, what grown adult person does something like that?
15:34I budget myself between, and this, when I go to Europe, I'm not even going to like the
15:42Philippines or Asia. Okay, it's the Euros. Or if I go to the US, I'm like, budgeting
15:48like, okay, I'm gonna spend between 100 to $200 a day. Right? If I don't, I don't. Right?
15:55But that is-
15:57You gotta be, you gotta be above, not below. Right? Because my first thought would be I'm
16:04in a foreign country. I don't have any money. What if I am in a jam? I don't have any money
16:08to get home. I don't have any money to eat. Like, there's just so many things that would
16:13go through my mind. And I just wouldn't get on the plane. Like, if I don't think I can
16:17afford to go on the trip, I won't go on the trip.
16:19Well, he probably paid for that trip. Somebody else probably paid for that trip. Like, his
16:23friend got it.
16:25So he was on a Twitter space the other week. And he said that his grandmother passed away.
16:31And he got $2,000. And, you know, I guess, settlement or insurance. And that's what he
16:38used to pay for the ticket and the hotel. So I'm assuming the $46 was whatever was left
16:44over. So what do you think was his plan? Do you think he got over there and he was gonna
16:48be like, oh, well, I'm out of money. So Faith, you should pay for everything now. Do you
16:53think that was his plan all along?
16:55Yes, exactly. Because Faith is a hustler. She will work three, four, five, six, seven,
17:00eight different jobs just to, like, have a roof over her head, have food, have clothing.
17:06Like, she hustles for her money and works very hard for her money. So he thought it
17:13was a meal ticket. And he, like, she can be his sugar mama. Like, you know what I mean?
17:21Like, treat him. Like, that's why he's spending his money in the market. Like, well, once
17:27I'm tapped out, well, then you have to pay. You have to support me. Right? So he's not
17:33giving no Fs, right? And I think he's waiting for, I think the paycheck was from TJ Maxx
17:39or something like that, wherever he works at. Honestly, who, like, I worked for their
17:45sister company. Really? Like, in Canada? Like, you know, like, you can't make that much.
17:51And most of their employees are part time, not even full time.
17:55We're probably talking a couple of hundred dollars at most.
17:58Exactly.
17:59And that's all that he's got.
18:01After taxes are deducted, right? So, I don't know. I think that's his mind frame. Like,
18:07I'm going to spend all my money on her. I'm going to make me look like I'm, like, this
18:11fantastic person. Even though he knows, like, she knows the situation now. Like, he's broke
18:18ass.
18:19Why do you think that she isn't telling him to leave? Because when I feel like there's
18:27enough information now for her to realize that this is a bad situation. When he told
18:31her mom that he was homeless in the US, he doesn't make enough money to live. You know,
18:37and he lied to Faith because Faith said that her dream was always to move to the US, get
18:42a good job, work hard, make a good life for herself. He went along with it until he landed
18:46in the Philippines and then he decided to tell a different story.
18:50I think she's going to call it off because, like, it's enough. Like, he told her who is
18:57like her mom, her aunt or whatnot, who works with her. Like, he's homeless. He's got this
19:04much money. Like, she's seeing it. I think she's seeing it. Like, this is not going to
19:10fly. And then in next week's episode, it tells her, like, he's not faithful to her,
19:17basically.
19:18Well, he kind of has to tell her because he's got gonorrhea and it's impossible to get gonorrhea
19:28unless you've been having sex with someone who had gonorrhea.
19:32I think she's like, oh, pardon me, we weren't faithful. She's like, she's gonna be like,
19:39I'm done. Like, I'm done with it. I hope, hopefully she'll be like, I'm done. There's
19:43nothing you can do. Like, she doesn't seem like the person to want an open relationship
19:49because like, she doesn't seem like that person. So she's going to be like, this dude ain't
19:57worth it. This date ain't worth it.
19:59She made it clear that her past relationships were purely sexual. There was no feelings
20:05and no love. So that's why she was drawn to him, because he made it seem like he wanted
20:09a monogamous, serious relationship, which is something that she never got. She said
20:14that it's usually men that didn't want to be seen with a ladyboy or didn't want to commit,
20:19didn't want to make it official. So she's looking for something serious. And I think
20:24he's just another one of the guys that she's used to dating. It's not that he's embarrassed
20:29of it, but he's more so, he wants to get around, you know?
20:33And honestly, that's a scary thing, getting around. If they get you gonorrhea, I'm okay.
20:38I don't want to get around, you know, like, I don't want to go out there and play the
20:41whole thing.
20:42I don't want to ride that bike. Thank you.
20:46No! So a lot of people online are mad because they said that before he got the text message
20:52that he had gonorrhea, they said that, well, he said on camera, he was like, I figured
20:58something was going on because there was discharge. So what people are mad about, they were like
21:04that night before, he was hoping to be intimate with Faith. You remember that? He was like,
21:10oh, hopefully things will go to the next level. And they were like, well, why were you trying
21:14to have sex with her if you knew that there was discharge? Obviously, you might not have
21:17known it was gonorrhea, but you know that it's not supposed to be discharging liquid,
21:20right? So why would you put her at risk, not knowing what was going on down there? And
21:26a lot of people are like pissed off because they were like, you knew, you knew something
21:31was going on. You're not a doctor, but you know, if you look down there and something
21:35like that is going on, you know, common sense will tell you, hey, there's something going
21:39on here. I shouldn't be having sex with anybody until I know what's going on, right?
21:43You already know he doesn't have much of it. So he doesn't already have much common sense.
21:49So I just think that it's scary because there's a lot of people in the world that end up with
21:56STDs because of this type of situation. They didn't do anything wrong. They thought they
22:01were in a relationship with one person. And that person happened to be in a relationship
22:06with a lot of people. And then that person ends up like Faith, could end up with gonorrhea
22:12through no fault of her own, right? Because she thought she was in a monogamous relationship
22:15and she wasn't. And it's just scary. And it's like this dating world now is just hella scary.
22:20Yeah, well, he is a walking STD, basically, or an STI, right?
22:27Yeah, and he's homeless, too. And I'm like, I don't want to like stigmatize anything.
22:32Because, you know, there's different forms of homelessness, and there's different situations
22:36that put people in homelessness. But I think a lot of people online were like, he's homeless
22:41because it's by choice, because he prefers couch surfing over having his own place.
22:47Right. Like, I don't think that it's the situation where Lauren can't afford a place of his own.
22:52It's just cheaper and easier for him to not have a place of his own. So I don't think
22:58that we should really put him in the homelessness category, because I don't think this man has
23:02ever slept outside.
23:03No, he's just lazy.
23:06There's a huge difference. There are people who have gone through a hard time, literally
23:11sleep outside, and they are going through a really, really serious situation. And then
23:17there's Lauren, who is working several jobs, you know, and he has a way to come up with
23:22money to go on trips to the Philippines. The first thing I said was, how does a homeless
23:26person get on a plane to the Philippines? Like, that would be completely impossible
23:30to do for the typical homeless person who has no money. They don't even know where their
23:34next meal is usually coming from. But you mean to tell me that this homeless man has
23:39enough money to get on an airplane to go to the Philippines? I don't like that he's using
23:43that term, because there are people who are really struggling who are homeless. And again,
23:48I think that he uses that term to get sympathy out of people.
23:52Yeah, he uses it loosely, right? A lot of people suffer with mental health issues and
23:57whatnot, and they are, they've fallen through hard times, whatever it might be. People who
24:03are actually on the street, and like you said, and don't know where their next meal is coming
24:08from, is homeless. He's just a lazy bum. I want to say he's just a lazy person who
24:18doesn't want to work because of so many reasons or can't or does or refuses to work X amount
24:23of hours, because he doesn't want to pay child support. He's just he's just, he's just, Lauren.
24:30Yeah, I can't. I got my friend started watching it to one of my best friends started watching
24:35it. She's just like, I'm like, you have to like you have to see this all you have to
24:39see this. She's just like, oh my god.
24:43It's it's crazy. Yeah, people are saying he's worse than Kyle Gordy. I'm seeing the comments
24:48like he's worse than Kyle Gordy. And I was like, I didn't think it was possible to find
24:51somebody worse than Kyle Gordy. But it's getting there. Also, Jonah says he also somehow knew
24:57how to get a passport, right? Homeless people are not usually going to a passport office.
25:01Right. So yeah, he's using that term. And I don't believe that term applies to him.
25:07Right? Like, he might be displaced, he might not have a house of his own, which would make
25:12him displaced. But he's definitely not a homeless person. Homeless people don't know what a
25:16stable, a stable home, like, which would be different because you're basically couch surfing
25:23your living situation isn't stable, basically, not you're homeless, which probably, honestly,
25:30I think that's probably my choice. Yeah, I can't prove it. I can't prove it. But I
25:35think that all of that all this stuff he's doing is by choice, because we know that there's
25:38a child support issue that he doesn't want to be a part of. And you know, the more things
25:42that you have, the more likely the judge is gonna say, okay, you can afford to pay. So
25:48I think having his own place would make the judge feel like he can pay more money. So
25:52I think it's all about us. But I want to talk about our newest addition to the season. Niles
25:57from Alabama. And he's on the spectrum. But he's in love with a woman who isn't from,
26:05where is she from? She's from Ghana. She's really beautiful. And you know, I was watching
26:12this story. And I love that. I love him. I think he's great. I think, you know, I saw him at his
26:18job. He does so well. He's very high functioning. He does a really good job. I just when I see
26:24people that love really hard, like Niles, I always just get worried. You know,
26:30because I don't know what Matilda's intentions are with him. And it just makes me really worried
26:36because people that love the way that he loves can be taken advantage of. So he said that he
26:42spent a lot of money so far, like three grand on this trip. And he also needs a bride price.
26:48He also has to work on paying for the visa, the K-1. And I'm just worried that he's going to put
26:55a lot more into this because he loves harder than the relationship is strong, if that makes sense.
27:03Like, again, I don't know what they're like. I haven't seen them interacting together. I've
27:07seen like one FaceTime call on the show, which it seemed fine, but he was really scared of her.
27:14He was scared to tell her that he didn't want to do the wedding right away.
27:18And I feel like when your communication, there's fear in your communication,
27:22that's a red flag to me, because you should be able to talk to each other.
27:25I think it's part of like the spectrum and the ADHD thing. Like, that's why he has a fear to
27:33maybe discuss it with her. But I'm not a psychologist. I don't specialize in that.
27:37It's just, I'm just thinking outside of the box to why because he did back up some of like,
27:44why he's so repetitive or why he does certain things as well. I do like him. I have a soft
27:49spot for him. He kind of, kind of like, with the falling hard part, Ryan Sea of Tyree,
27:55I don't know, like just falling hard. And it's just like, oh, I don't want you to get hurt.
28:00Please don't get hurt. Like, don't get hurt. But like, at the same time, when he goes there,
28:07everything's going to be a new concept to him and her friends don't even understand
28:11this whole, the whole spectrum thing, right? So like, I'm just in fear, like,
28:18the family's just, you know what, I hope this doesn't happen. But I hope he doesn't pay the
28:24dowry or whatnot. And then the family calls it off. Oh, okay. Like, it's just like, what,
28:32like, what are you doing? Like, you're why? Yeah, I really hope that doesn't happen.
28:38Because he seems like such a great, like, he seems like such a teddy bear and good person.
28:42I really hope that doesn't happen to him. Yeah, I really want the best for him. I just,
28:47I worry. And I also thought it was weird that no one was going with him on the trip. Because,
28:51you know, Veya is bringing her ex work with her. But Niles didn't say he was bringing anyone to
28:57Ghana with him, which I worry, you know, I just want him to be okay. And I know that he would
29:02disagree with me. I know a lot of people on the spectrum, they want to be as independent as
29:05possible. But I just, I feel like he's very impressionable. And he's easy to, to, he's,
29:12you know, his situation makes it easy for him to believe things are, you know, like me and you
29:18somebody with, right. If someone said something to me and you, we would question it. But when
29:23someone who is in love, and they are on the spectrum, and they see what they want, they
29:28might not see the things that we see. And I just worry. I'm like, I just don't want him to go over
29:31there, get taken advantage of, you know, and again, I don't know anything about Matilda,
29:36I didn't see enough to judge her, or whatever, that might not be the case at all. It's just
29:41interesting that she's pushing them to get married the second they meet, you know, that that's a
29:46little strange. Or by the end of the trip, I think she said the very end of the first trip that they
29:51ever met, though, like, yeah, exactly. I don't, they, that's when you get engaged, right? And
29:57even being that's too soon. But that's when you get engaged. It's not when you get married. So I
30:01just, we're going to be watching Niles, but we got to we got to protect Niles, right? We got to
30:06make sure that Niles is okay. Because
30:08I can't do anything because it's already been filmed. We can't protect him.
30:10I know. We can't protect him. And it's just hard because okay, so Bea is going to see Sonny. We saw
30:18her on this episode and Rory arrived. We got a lot of info on Bea yesterday. So apparently,
30:25she has a brother who was unfortunately killed by law enforcement. And then she has a mom who
30:32is homeless right now. So her life, holy crap, is very, very, very intense. There's a lot of
30:39serious things going on with her. I never would have thought that based on the first time when
30:44we met her on the episode. But when she started getting into the deep details of her life,
30:49it really shocked me.
30:51She miscarried. So it's just like, Oh, no wonder you don't look like you're 20.
30:58You can say you're 27. But no one like she crossed a lot of paths.
31:06In a short amount of time, like when she lost her brother, she was pregnant. And that situation is
31:11what caused her to lose her baby. Can you imagine losing your brother, which was her best friend?
31:18Let's not forget, with her mom's situation, her and her brother ended up in foster care a lot.
31:23Let's not forget how this stemmed. So the only constant person in her life was her brother.
31:29She loses him. And then within months of losing him, she loses the baby.
31:33And I don't even know how she's functioning. That's a lot to deal with. And it makes sense now,
31:40why she hasn't let go of Rory. Because like you say, when two people go through a horrible,
31:46traumatic situation together, you're bonded for life. It's trauma bond.
31:50You either push you apart, like she said it did push them apart. But like, push them apart,
31:59like romantically, but brought them together in the friendship. But still, there are borderlines,
32:04there are guidelines. You ain't bring no ex to South Africa.
32:10Not a Muslim man, because you know, Muslim men, they don't even really like their women
32:15around men in general, period. Exactly. So you don't want to bring an ex, especially an ex that
32:21you were going to have a baby with. Not just an ex, because you know, you got to love the person
32:27a little more than a little, you know, to have a baby with them. So this was a pretty serious
32:32relationship. So again, with him being a Muslim man, and his family being super, super Muslim,
32:37they're going to want to know why did you bring your ex, you know, to meet us? That's the last
32:42person that you should have brought. But she made it really clear, though, because of her
32:47religious family that adopted her, she's not converting for him. And I don't know how long
32:53this is gonna last, because he made it pretty clear on the FaceTime call that she needs to
32:57convert. You know, it's his responsibility as a boyfriend or fiance to make sure that she converts.
33:03So I don't really know how far this is gonna go. Because no Muslim man really will marry a woman
33:09without her committing to converting, right? Like that's like a number one, 101 part of the deal,
33:16you have to at least convert. Because I think in their religion, it's against their religion to be
33:22married to a person that isn't a part of their religion. I'm pretty sure you can't even really
33:26fraternize or be friends with people that aren't really a part of their religion.
33:29No, I think you can, because my cousin, her, her husband's Muslim. And she was raised Catholic,
33:37right? So I think you can, and they've made it work. And they made it mesh well,
33:42they've been married for like, like 1520 years, basically. So is he still close with his family?
33:49Yeah, really? Yeah, this is interesting, because we only hear the extreme version.
33:56No, like they did for years, they were high school sweethearts, right? Like they dated for years,
34:03like, basically. And you can raise your child, you can have compromises, right? Like,
34:11like, she doesn't wear a hijab. Like, she doesn't. I haven't seen her in a minute.
34:17She doesn't cover her hair. Like I just saying, like, I guess it just depends on the severity
34:23of how, like, how strict, right? Like, he's such a sweetheart. He's such a nice guy, right? Like,
34:29he's attended what, like, Catholic weddings. He's such a nice guy. And basically, yeah,
34:36like, that's why I said, not every Muslim is the same. Like, though, but from what TLC portrays,
34:45they're extremists, right? So he was raised here. He's very westernized, right? So that could be
34:51part of it, too, because we're seeing foreign, right? Like, foreign Muslim men, right? So that's
34:58the thing.
34:59That's true. I think in other countries, they are a little more devout and strict. You know,
35:05in the US, we tend to be a little more laxed with traditions. You notice that? Like we,
35:10well, you're not in the US. But yeah, in this part of the woods, we're not as strict as most
35:18people are. And, you know, and they have said that Sonny isn't as devout, you know, he drinks
35:24and goes to clubs.
35:25Yeah, it's the same with, like, I made the observation, too, in Turkey as well. They're
35:30a Muslim country as well. And, but they drink, like, they party, right? So it's just like,
35:40but like I said, they're not as hardcore, though, right? So.
35:45Yeah. So, oh, I want to talk about this Tiger Lily and Adnan wedding reception. So there was
35:53something that happened. Obviously, we knew that he didn't like her being around other men. We
35:57learned that last week. But he hired some videographers, which were two or three men that
36:04showed up, and they were literally going to be filming her while she got ready and got dressed
36:09and everything. And then he left. And then the confusing part was she knew her hair guy for 20
36:16years. And he didn't want this woman, or this man around his wife alone. But these videographers she
36:24had known for less than five seconds. And they were allowed to go in the bathroom and film her
36:29getting ready. Yeah. So it was really confusing to me. And I'm trying to really understand.
36:34But even Tiger Lily said it, she was like, well, maybe since he, he hired them, the rules don't
36:41apply. For this situation, they only apply. But how does that make sense? I don't know,
36:47I would have asked him, I would have sent a message to him. So you can't have a guy touching
36:52my fake hair. And my hairdresser that I've known for 20 years can't do my hair. But you have these
37:01videos, it doesn't make any sense. I would ask for clarification. Like, did you know these
37:05videographers were going to be men? Like, I would just ask for clarification.
37:10Well, he asked for verification when she hired the hairdresser from the salon. He was like,
37:15why would you hire a man and not a woman? So he, why didn't he hire a woman videographer,
37:21not a man? You know, like, I don't understand. But again, a lot of times when it comes to the
37:25Muslim religion, the rules usually apply to the woman, right? If the woman does it, it's wrong.
37:32But as long as the man did it, no one, they don't really have anyone to answer to, I guess,
37:36that's how I want to say it. Like, who's gonna question what he did?
37:39And maybe it's the whole, like, they're not touching her. They're just-
37:46And like, think about it, production too, with TLC, with production. There's gotta be a mix of
37:53male and female production, right? They're still filming. There's men and women in the mix.
38:01You know what's funny? This situation reminds me of Angela and Michael. Because remember,
38:06Angela made Michael quit his job because he had to take a ferry boat or something. He had to get
38:11to work, there were women along the way. And she was like, you can't be around other women,
38:16you're gonna cheat on me or whatever. And it reminded me of that because he doesn't want
38:21Tiger Lily to be around other men. And I'm pretty sure her hairdresser is not interested
38:26in her. They've been friends for 20 years. He's probably not interested in women at all.
38:30There's absolutely nothing to be worried about.
38:32Like the whole Mary and Brandon situation when Brandon was on the way, on the flight.
38:38Like she's freaking out with the woman, like an older lady, like on the plane.
38:45Who did not want him at all, right? Like, wasn't even interested. Like,
38:49how many times have you gotten on the plane and you sat next to the person that you're just like,
38:54like, oh, I wish there was an empty seat, right? Like how many times?
38:58Like, this is gonna be a long flight, you know, like, that's exactly you're just like,
39:02oh, okay. It's I don't understand how people think that people are going to be able to go
39:07through life and avoid the opposite sex. Yeah, that go through life because it's impossible.
39:13You literally go to the DMV, you go to a restaurant, you go to the grocery store,
39:16there's men and women everywhere, trans people, like whatever, there's every type of everybody
39:22everywhere. And it's like, how do you feel that you married her so now she can only interact with
39:27you and other women? How do you control the environment to where only other women are
39:32going to be around? You know, like, because you can't be everywhere at the same time.
39:36You can't be everywhere at once. So if she goes to the market because y'all need food,
39:41is she supposed to run back home because there was a man at the market? You know,
39:44it just sounds great. I think, I think he'd go and like, because from the scenes that they show
39:50on TLC, I think the woman travel, like kind of go together to the market. Like, they're like a group
39:57of friends or moms or whatever. We'll all go together to the market. If you see in the backgrounds,
40:03like how they do it, like in the background, the women all walking together. Yeah, they all go
40:09together. Well, she doesn't know anybody. Yeah, exactly. You know, because, and she's not going
40:15to be living there. He's obviously got to be coming here. But you know, while she is there,
40:19what is she supposed to do when you don't know anyone? You know, how are you supposed to travel
40:24in packs when you don't know anyone to put in your pack? And it's just, it's just weird to me,
40:29because he said earlier, like a week ago, he's like, I don't expect you to wear a hijab. I don't
40:34expect you to convert. But right after they got married, he started holding her accountable
40:43to the religion that he didn't expect her to convert. Because honestly,
40:46she's not a Muslim. Just because she married a Muslim does not make her a Muslim, right? She
40:51did not convert. She did not go through the ceremony. She never agreed to anything. So
40:58his words are really interesting, because most of the men that we meet on the show
41:02are pretty adamant and upfront before they get married. Like, well, you're gonna need to do this
41:08and convert. He made it seem like everything was fine. And then after they took the vow,
41:12that's when he was like, Oh, well, you know, you can't have this guy touching your hair. And you
41:16can't have this, you can't do this. It's like, well, you want to hold her accountable to the
41:19religion. That means you want her to convert. Well, remember what her friend said to like,
41:25she like, just feels like this guy's controlling you too. Like you let you divorce your ex because
41:33he was controlling. And she's just making excuses for him like, Oh, but this is different. Like,
41:40there's more love.
41:42Right? In what way? Like, how is controlling different? Because she's like, Oh, it's really,
41:47it's like, I feel like I'm the most important person in his life. You could be. But you know,
41:53the most important person in your life should want you to live your life freely. You know,
41:57and they shouldn't want to control you. And I think that she kind of is in the same type of
42:03situation where she's torn between wanting to live her life and also wanting to be controlled to some
42:10extent. I do think that Tagliolini and she kind of want to be controlled to a certain extent. I
42:14don't know where they draw the line, though. I don't know how you would draw the line, right?
42:19Because if a man's telling you what to eat, how much you should weigh, he's telling you how to do
42:24your nose job, you know, I think the line has already been crossed. Yeah. And I think that
42:28in Tiger Lily's situation, she thought that she didn't like being controlled. Obviously,
42:33from her last relationship, I think she does, to some extent. And she she likes a man to be
42:39dominant towards her. But you know, there's lots of women who are like that there are men,
42:43there are men who want their women to be dominant towards them. So I'm not knocking anybody,
42:47but it's hard to it's I think the line becomes blurred when you want to be controlled, but you
42:53also want to have some freedom. Because I think the line disappears. And then you just end up in
42:59a controlling relationship with no freedom at all. Exactly. It's just I don't know, I think that
43:06their relationship, they don't seem compatible. The only way they're compatible is if Adnan has
43:11way more money than I think he does. Because I was I was doing the math. And Tiger Lily said that
43:18she's had a hairdresser, like a beauty hair person for 20 plus years. Yeah, for 20 years. So this
43:27woman has not done her hair in 20 years. So I'm, I'm trying to understand how this is going to work.
43:34Because her ex husband was a millionaire. And he was clearly you know, it took four years to get
43:39that settlement. So she was getting quite a bit of money. But now that she's married, any spousal
43:44support is going to stop and she's only going to get child support. So unless Adnan has way more
43:49money than I think he does, I don't see how this is gonna work. I don't see how that's possible,
43:54like him having more money. And did you hear that her friend was just like, Oh, so you know,
43:59I was like, you're your wedding night. Like, oh, it was she's like, Oh, yeah, it was great.
44:07It was fantastic. Like, it's obviously questionable if it was fantastic and great.
44:12You had a great time on your wedding night, then it's obviously like he's not, you know,
44:19as pure as you think he might be, in my opinion, because most of them don't know what they're
44:25doing. Well, you're as pure as you didn't question what he knew. And she was like, Oh, well, I think
44:33it's like a caveman thing. Men just know and I'm like, No, no, and women are born pretty naive.
44:40You know, they have to, they have to learn, you know, no, you don't just put a man and a woman
44:44together and they figure it out. You know, not if they're both virgins, somebody has to have been
44:49down that road before. Right? Like, before GPS is, you know, if nobody had ever been to the place,
44:55we needed a map. Okay. Okay, so you can't just put us both in the car and say, go to Texas.
45:04And neither of us have been to Texas before. We would need a map, a step by step guide
45:08of how we're going to get that done. And I think sex is no different. You know,
45:12for two virgins, you need a step by step guide of what happens. You know, like, I think she's
45:18under the impression because, you know, animals, animals figure out how to reproduce on their own,
45:23right? They can't talk that we know of, they can't communicate that we know of. And they figure out,
45:27but we're not animals. People are not animals. People are not born. You know, because think
45:32about it, our babies in this world are born. They don't even, they don't know how to go to
45:35the bathroom on their own. They don't know how to survive without being fed. You know,
45:40we have to learn everything. We can't walk. We can't, if you just take a baby and put it in a
45:44room and nobody feeds it, it's going to die. You know, like we, they have to be taught everything.
45:49So I think that her level of naive for me has to be an act, right? She's not really that naive,
45:56is she? Hey, Dana? Yes. I've been saying it from the beginning. He ain't no virgin.
46:02No, no, no. Contrary to what you believe or want to believe or what he's told you, he ain't, honey.
46:11He's a model. And he cares a lot about the way he looks. Did you notice that he had just as big,
46:18yeah, he had just as big of a glam squad, if not bigger than Tiger Lily. I think that he,
46:24for somebody who cares about the way they look, and he said that, he said a couple of weeks ago,
46:29he was like, oh, women stop me on the street just to say how good looking I am and how beautiful I
46:34am. I was like, that's not something. Women are not supposed to talk to men.
46:38Well, he said that they stop him on the street. They stop him on the street.
46:43Not this kind of women, not Muslim women, probably because he can't talk to a man.
46:47Well, no, clearly he's not attracted to Muslim women. That's how we got here,
46:52right? That's how we got here. He has a type and it's not a Muslim woman. He likes Americanized
47:00Northern women. We can tell that. What do you call it? Westernized. We call them Westernized,
47:06right? I think it's what we call them. But I definitely think that him-
47:09North American women.
47:10North American. I think that him knowing so much about sex should have been a red flag for her,
47:17because again, if he wasn't a virgin, he could have just been honest. Again,
47:20we always just come back to this honesty thing. Just be honest. If you were a drug dealer,
47:26just say it. If you have been sleeping with a lot of different people
47:30before me, just say it. I don't know why people feel like they can lie.
47:34Just tell me your age. Just say it.
47:38It's not hard to tell the truth and you don't even need to have a good memory. If you just
47:43tell people the damn truth. But to add to that age thing,
47:47wouldn't Ingrid go on his Facebook or try to, I guess no one could be detectives like Cara and
47:53Deedee and myself. We're like bloodhounds. We will find out anything and everything.
48:00We are bloodhounds. After two years of talking, wouldn't you put this guy
48:04on Facebook to see if his name would come up? Or wouldn't he give you his last name?
48:10Usually people will have their full ages on there. I don't, because I'm smart,
48:15but I don't have my year on there. But that's because of different reasons. Not because I'm
48:22trying to hide my age. I think women of all species should be the ones that do a lot more
48:30homework on men. Because let's be real, if we've watched enough Dateline episodes to know that
48:35women are in extreme danger when it comes to dating, right? Women are in extreme danger.
48:40Men are weird creeps, weirdos, and they lie and they prey on women. So I mean, you're not wrong.
48:47In two years, she should have looked up something about this man just to make sure that there
48:51wasn't an axe murder on his way to her house. He was like in the Special Olympics or whatever.
48:57So you can easily like go down that rabbit hole. He said he was on the American team.
49:03Yeah. You can easily go down that rabbit hole too. And like, you know, talk two and two together.
49:12I said women of all species. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. Women of all people on the planet. I
49:18didn't mean species, but I just mean women in general. You know, like when it comes to dating,
49:22I'm not saying that men can't be in danger too and can't be hurt. But I've watched enough Dateline
49:28to know that we got to protect women better. You know, like we got to make sure. And people go on
49:32these dating apps and they lie and they lure women places. It's like I'm scared. I'm scared
49:38for women in general. You know, I saw a story somewhere online where it was like a video,
49:42a woman was approached by some guy and he asked for her phone number. She said no,
49:47they got punched in the face. I'm scared for mankind.
49:52It's so scary. And I'll never know what it's like to be a woman and just walk down the street and
49:57be in danger all the time. I'll never know what that's like. But I know that we really have to
50:01start doing more to protect women, especially in the dating world, because women are out there
50:06trying to find a person to spend the rest of their life with. And then there's just crazy weirdos out
50:10there. Right? I guess it's really scary. All the 90 day dumpsters, like everybody,
50:15you just see 90 day and you're like, nope. No, like I'm doing everything I possibly can. If I'm
50:22on a dating app, which I'm not, like just like, spot check, do everything. Dating apps should do
50:31background checks on people. They can't. TLC doesn't even do it. Why do you expect a dating
50:39app to do it? Do your own research. Yeah. TLC has millions and millions of dollars and they
50:44don't do it. So yeah, you're right. That's asking a lot. And if they did, they'll probably start
50:48charging so much for the dating app. You can't afford to use it. And then it's not accredited.
50:55That's the thing, right? If you want that, then you'll go through, um, you have a Netflix show
51:00on it. Um, a matchmaker. Oh yeah, that's true. You can hire a matchmaker and you're right,
51:07she'll do like a background check, a criminal background check, educational background check.
51:13Yeah. But you know, again, matchmakers are very expensive, but quality sometimes is worth it. When
51:19you, when you're dating guys that are losers, you know, or you're going through the dating pool and
51:23women are wasting their time. It might be worth it. You know, it might be worth to weed out all
51:27the investment. Yeah. Weed out all the nonsense. So you don't waste too much of your time with
51:33idiots, you know, cause look at Lauren, Lauren and Faith. If Faith would have looked into Lauren,
51:39he never would have made it to the, to the Philippines. And, and, um, who else? Um,
51:44again, Brian and Ingrid. Yeah. This is a lot of time that they're wasting with liars,
51:49right? With liars and users. And at this point, I'm just worried about Faith's job because Lauren,
51:56I know he only has $46. So when he can't afford to stay in the hotel anymore, he's going to try
52:02to stay with her. And I guarantee you it's against the rules of her job to have someone
52:06staying with her because that room is specifically, yeah, for her as an employee, nobody can stay
52:16there. And you know, that his broke ass is going to be like, Oh, I'll just stay with her. And then
52:19she's going to lose her job. Oh, hell no. You can be homeless here. I need to go sleep outside.
52:25He can be homeless. He can be homeless in two countries, right? He can be homeless in two
52:29countries. And like, with no home, there you go. You can sleep outside under the bridge or
52:36like, you know, go, go fly a kite. Leave her out of it. We got it. I hope Faith is smart enough to
52:41just to move forward. But we're going to come back tomorrow because it's getting late. We're
52:45going to talk about the other way that came on tonight. There are some good scenes tonight
52:50with Sean and Joanne and the kiddies and Bella. Smart. I think the smartest kid of all the kids
52:58were Bella. So yeah, we're going to come back tomorrow and talk about that. And then we're
53:01going to try and do a podcast on the first two episodes of I Love a Mama's Boy. I don't know
53:07if we're going to do a live or if we're going to pre-record it. I'll text you. So we can figure
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53:21I haven't heard, but she had zero voice last night at all. Hopefully she's feeling better.
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53:32Oh, and the Shabooty and George Mossey podcast is up. The link is in my bio. So if you guys,
53:37we did a podcast last night that went up today. So if you guys missed that podcast,
53:41it's the Shabooty podcast with me and him. That's on Spotify and Apple Music. So check
53:48that out. And then this podcast will be up on Spotify and Apple Music later tonight.
53:52Everybody have a wonderful night. We'll talk to all you guys tomorrow.
53:56Bye.