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00:00You
00:04You guys what's up, happy Sunday
00:09Welcome, I'm George mossy. This is a George mossy show. We're gonna get into some be 90 before the 90 days
00:15episode 2 it was a lot of arrivals tonight, so
00:20We are going to get into this episode break down this episode. I'm excited
00:24Um, this was a good episode. Hey, hey wheels. Um, I had to watch it live
00:31Again, what's up? Gina? What's up? Cara? Oh cars here. I had to watch it live again tonight, unfortunately because
00:37Warner Brothers Discovery hates me and
00:43Low from Toronto, hey, there's a lot of people that are from Toronto. I hear such amazing things about Toronto as well
00:50So it's beautiful. I've only been once or twice, but I heard it's beautiful
00:55Hey, hi. How are you? How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm good
01:01I somehow ended up in some drama. So I'm gonna talk I'll text you about that later
01:05But I don't know I ended up in some drama today. So, um
01:10Her name is Danielle and she's from love in paradise
01:15Yeah
01:16Send you the link apparently she's declared war on me. So yeah, we're gonna tell you we're gonna tell you but
01:24Yeah, so we're gonna get to be 90 episode 2. Oh, let me get my tweets
01:28There was a lot that went on tonight because there was a lot of arrivals. So Brian was arriving and um
01:33I want to talk about Renee though because Renee and shitty
01:37their story really stood out to me because they've been talking for five and a half years and I think it's really interesting because
01:45They don't have a lot of information about each other like she traveled
01:507,000 miles and
01:51Shitty revealed to her like, oh, well, I'm celibate
01:55I feel like that is something that someone needs to bring up to you when you're dating. Do you feel that way?
02:00Do you feel like if you're dating somebody it's important to know that they are celibate or is that private?
02:07okay, I'm mad because I
02:10I
02:11Am gonna send you something that he did reveal all of this while they were dating before she came. Wait, what?
02:17So wait, she knew that he was celibate before she got to Nigeria. Yeah, and she
02:23Pretended like she didn't know that they were gonna be sleeping in separate beds. She also knew
02:30Or she also threatened
02:34Her dark forces on him I
02:37I saw that and and something about eating eating flesh or something crazy
02:43I saw the the stuff that she was saying it was like oh and like rituals
02:48Um, and I saw that and that's pretty scary to a very religious person, right?
02:54Like if you're talking to a religious person, that's not really something that
02:57You want to hear from your spouse? You know, I grew up in Louisiana
03:01So there was a lot of witchcraft and voodoo and stuff and we didn't really play around with that
03:06If somebody made threats, you know with witchcraft for voodoo
03:09We really did steer clear of that situation because you know being very religious. I was very religious growing up
03:15We didn't play around with that
03:17So interesting that she got all the way there and pretended as though she was completely unaware that he was celibate
03:23Okay, because I feel like I sent you some stuff that you can read afterwards
03:28And you it may be what you've already seen because it sounds like it but I was like, huh
03:36so
03:37Is she trying to portray herself in a different way and a different light because if she knew what she was getting into?
03:44She flew all the way there like 7,000 miles. I mean five and a half years
03:47I feel like this is something that you would have covered right? So I feel like she definitely had to have known that but
03:55She packed her special underwear and everything like she was definitely planning to be intimate with
04:05Well, that's what that's what Twitter said they were like these are your special underwear those are they referred to them as granny panties
04:12Right and a lot of people online were like, where do you even buy those?
04:16They don't make those like where do grandparents buy underwear, you know?
04:20Cuz they were like and she was banking on the fact that he was blind, right?
04:24Cuz she was like, oh, I'm really insecure. I don't I'm not secure and I'm uncomfortable being naked stuff like that
04:31Lo and behold when she arrives
04:32The first thing he does is he feels around and he's like, oh you're bigger than I thought
04:37Yeah, and I was like, well look at that a blind man is even like poking at your insecurities
04:44Which I thought was crazy because I was like, I mean, I'm not saying that he meant it in that way because you know
04:48There's a language barrier, you know, there are different ways that you can try to say something
04:53I don't think he was trying to say that she was bad
04:56but I think he was trying to say like oh the size that I as I
05:01Envisioned is not the size that you are because she's clearly not fat, right?
05:05Like she's she's not fat
05:06but I thought that it was really interesting because she said the number one reason she wanted to be with him was because he was
05:11Blind and it would be good for her self-esteem and her insecurities and I was like, well hell the first thing
05:17He said to you was he said something about your weight?
05:19So it just shows you that
05:21You know regardless of if they can see if they can't see if they can hear they can't hear your insecurities are yours
05:27Yeah
05:27And they're gonna be there regardless of who you want to be with because obviously
05:31Saying you want to date somebody just because they're blind. It's kind of offensive. Yeah, right
05:36Like I don't know. I found it to be a little offensive. I don't know if she meant it that way. Hey, Josh
05:41I don't know if she meant it that way, but I was just like that's like saying
05:44Oh you want to date somebody that has a specific element or illness or disability because it makes your life easy in some way shape
05:51Or form it's kind of selfish right? Like I didn't like the way it came out at first
05:56So I said it last week episode one. I can't stand her and this week. I
06:03Can't stand her more
06:05Well, you did say that and it's really interesting because I didn't feel the same way as you and the things that she was saying
06:13Tonight, I didn't like any of it
06:16like she said some stuff that really got under my skin and I was like
06:19I don't really like the way she's like
06:22Weaponizing her her self-esteem and her issues and then using his disability as a way to make herself feel better
06:28I didn't really like that. And then she said, um, he was her last resort. She's like after him was
06:34an alien or a high-tech monkey and I was like how how
06:40Offensive is it to say if it wasn't you I would rather date an animal
06:45Yeah
06:45But that is really freaking it that's so offensive to say basically saying he's the lowest of the low and if this doesn't work out
06:52I'll start dating non-humans. Like I felt like she just kept saying stuff over and over that pissed me off. Absolutely
06:59She also this girl talks like a freaking toddler. She keeps one one scene. She's either
07:06talking like a baby or
07:08She's talking like a demon. There is no in-between. She's not like a normal human
07:14There's something very very off with this woman
07:18Well, I saw the scene for next week right where they went to the market to get the chickens and
07:25They were going to obviously, you know, we've watched we've been watching the show for a long time
07:29We know overseas you buy live meat
07:32Yeah, and then they kill it for you
07:33Like it's not like when we go to the grocery store and everything's already dead, right?
07:37You know you go there and their their stuff is when they say fresh
07:40They mean it was a lot when you got it, right like they're very very fresh like in America
07:46We don't need it to be that fresh
07:47So they went to get food and she's like well
07:50Yelling at Victoria and she's like you need to let that chicken live and she's getting all offensive and I was like
07:55You have to know that people eat chickens, right?
08:00Like I know that and you know
08:02People are eating the eggs
08:03Like if you want to get technical when she goes and takes the eggs from her chickens and sell those
08:08To people those are the chickens babies. You're selling their babies to people to eat
08:12So like you can't be super super sensitive to chickens lives if you're actually selling their babies to the animal
08:18imagine if a
08:19Human woman gave birth to her baby and then you would go take the baby and then sell it to someone so they can eat
08:23It right like don't don't pretend like you're holier-than-thou
08:28You're literally taking her babies from underneath her and selling them to people so they can eat them in the morning. Yep
08:35Absolutely. Also, I didn't like how she said this about having this feeling about being with the
08:44Significant other sister how her intuition is always right and blah blah blah
08:49She's already going in ready to have problems with this girl. Well, and yeah, I
08:54I know
08:56She's totally
08:57You know, whatever I can do to make you feel comfortable and I've cleaned my house and wanted to be happy and all this stuff
09:04I think his sister is awesome. She gave up her bed
09:08Yeah, right
09:09she gave up her bed and also I
09:11Heard her say something in the episode where she's like she was like I'm jealous of Victoria and his brother-in-law
09:17Because they get to be with him all the time and I was like, I feel like she's coming in with animosity
09:22Not because Victoria did anything to her but only because Victoria is physically present and
09:28She wasn't for five and a half years and it's almost like a jealousy. Yeah, but I feel
09:33Yeah, and it's like I didn't see anything that Victoria did that was wrong
09:37But you know, we're fresh we're fresh in right where two episodes and I know they're gonna clash
09:42you know all families clash, especially when you're mixing these cultures like this, but I
09:48definitely think Renee is a
09:51Wild card I think for this
09:54Autic already
09:56So, I mean, I know she's gonna turn into a weirdo. We saw the beginning of it
10:00Um for the preview for next week when she flipped out because apparently she was unaware that people kill chickens in Nigeria
10:07Right, like she was unaware and I was like god forbid
10:10She goes to any other European countries because they kill like more
10:14Pet friendly animals and other cut so I was like god forbid you go anywhere
10:18You know more exotic because they kill things that you would never even imagine and sometimes they put it on your plate and it's still
10:24Moving. Yeah, right like you so god forbid she gets any more cultured, but I do think that she is going to
10:31Lose it on them and I don't think that his family is the reason and I mean I can understand the frustration of flying
10:397,000 miles to be with somebody that you've known for five and a half years and you're not gonna be intimate
10:45You know because I think that a
10:47Relationship over the phone or over FaceTime is not a real relationship a real relationship
10:51Starts when you go and you're in the same place you share that intimacy you I think that's when you become to build that
10:58Bond, but if she knew about it all along
11:01I don't like it when people take someone's religion and then they know about it and then they try to negotiate with them
11:09It's like if they were very clear
11:11To you about what they can and can't do or what they can and won't do it's not an
11:16Negotiation you have to accept people in their beliefs for who they are
11:19You can't turn them into who you want. And I think that's what we're gonna get into
11:24This season with Tiger Lily and add none
11:26I think it's gonna turn into one of those compromising who you are for me, but I think Renee
11:31I don't know man people have been telling me different stuff and I saw a lot of this
11:36Information because Chitty posted a bunch of info online and she's been posting rebuttals back and forth and I'm getting I'm getting vibes
11:44from her
11:46Bring myself. I might start following her. I don't know but I follow Chitty but
11:55There's something so off about her so off I
12:00Don't know I liked her at first I thought she was quirky and she reminded me of
12:06Stallor at first. I don't think that not
12:11I
12:12Liked her at first now. She's like a little weird and crazy
12:16She showed up to the tell-all after they told her not to be there and tried to get in like now
12:20She's like completely off the wall. And I think this is probably where we're going with Renee
12:24I think that we're gonna get that same type of off-the-wall
12:27Craziness also, I want to talk about Ingrid a little bit tonight because we met her
12:32We actually met her tonight on the show and we were talking with her and her family and her friends
12:37So apparently her family doesn't know
12:40Not necessarily that she's with a guy in a wheelchair
12:43She doesn't they don't know that she's with a guy at all, but it's kind of a red flag to me
12:47But it's also a red flag to me. I think we talked about this before that. She hasn't really asked questions and
12:53I got like do you remember Mike and Jimena?
12:56I'm getting like a Jimena vibe from her like I really don't want to be wrong
13:01But she's got two young kids. Remember Jimena had two young kids
13:05And she was with a gringa, you know, we're no guy and and she was looking for somebody to take care of her
13:11You know Brian being 51. She's 33
13:15It's it's a big age gap and she kind of might have looked at it as well
13:19We don't have to have sex because he's a quadriplegic and I'm getting like these vibes and I could be wrong
13:25You know, she could actually love him. But the fact that she's not asking questions
13:30She's not really trying to get to know how things work. It kind of makes me feel like
13:35She's looking for a sucker, right? Are you getting those vibes too?
13:40First I was and the fact that she hadn't told her parents about it. Yeah
13:45You're serious you're gonna tell your parents this guy that I've been dating in America is gonna come and see me
13:51I feel like he could be the one you want to warn mom and dad
13:56So they're not so shocked, but not only that he's gonna come in in a wheelchair
14:01Like not that you need to make an announcement that you're dating someone with a disability
14:08But you need to prepare people so that their reaction is
14:11Normal instead of you know, I mean it could go it
14:17They could be very welcoming and not even act like they see it
14:21But it also looks surprised which would make him feel uncomfortable
14:25I was surprised that Brian was like, oh she reacted to the wheelchair
14:31Positively, are we in 2024 reacting to people in wheelchairs negatively?
14:37Because I was like wait
14:39So you're telling me that there are people that when they see that you're in a wheelchair and you're positively they react
14:44Negatively, I didn't know that we were doing that. Yeah, right
14:47Like I remember when I was really young
14:49My mom used to teach me like don't stare at people that are disabled or whatever because as a kid, you know kids
14:54Don't know they're like why are they in a wheelchair? And I'm not you know when I was younger
14:59I didn't understand it. So my mom taught me pretty young like hey, don't stare at people that have a disability
15:05Yeah, there's nothing wrong with them. They might have been born that way or whatever
15:07So it's it was really I don't know
15:10I guess
15:11Disturbing to me when he said that because I was like that means that people do react in a negative way towards him because he's
15:17Disabled, you know, and I I didn't realize that we were still at that point where we're making people feel bad
15:23Yeah, because they're in a wheelchair. I didn't even know that
15:26I mean, I know that places are required to have accommodation
15:29We have to make sure that everyone of every walk of life can go to a restaurant go to a mall
15:34Even go to a theme park. There's accommodation for everyone
15:37So the fact that people and maybe it's in the dating world, you know, maybe people are giving him a negative
15:44Reaction. It's kind of scary, right? Like his negative reactions are coming from
15:50The fact that he's been married four times that he's been engaged a bunch of times
15:54The fact that he was an actual drug dealer and that's why he got shot even though they left us on that cliffhanger
16:01I feel like the more shocking reaction is the fact that she has two kids
16:08She's leaving and they're staying in separate places one staying with grandpa and one staying with the babysitter
16:15Yeah, and it crossed my mind because two kids two different dads, right?
16:20So I was like, is it possible that grandma of one kid didn't want to take the other kid cuz it's not her grandkid
16:27Like is that a thing? I'm cuz I was like, why wouldn't grandma just take both kids? I don't
16:34But if not
16:37Have said babysitter that's taking one kid take both of them take both
16:42Separating them. It just it was really weird
16:44And I know that it like if as a child if your mother leaves for three weeks
16:50The only other thing you know is your sibling and now your sibling is going to their grandparents because those
16:57They have good grandparents and apparently I don't so now I'm stuck with babysitter
17:03Without mom without sibling. I that it that all just struck me very wrong
17:08Yeah, I was confused cuz I was like well first of all
17:12I respect that she wants to meet him first and keep the babies out of it
17:17I always think it's important because children are very welcoming of everyone
17:21But it's hard when you have different people in and out because children don't understand breakups. They don't understand fighting
17:28They don't understand restraining orders children understand that stuff
17:30So I get that you need to get to know people before you introduce them, but the whole situation her kids are really young
17:37Yeah, and that struck me as really I don't want to say like negative
17:41But I was just like you were just recently with someone else
17:44So it's like I don't want her to see him as a sucker
17:49Even though he's not innocent right like he has not been honest with her about everything
17:53And I think dishonesty is the worst thing you can do when you're starting a new relationship
17:57I think that he should have been really open and upfront about his past
18:02Because I mean there's nothing wrong with I don't want to say that
18:07There's any danger of dating someone who used to be a drug dealer
18:10You know he's clearly been out of that for 20-something years right like I don't think that
18:14But I think people should know where you came from and they should know
18:19Your struggles in your past if you're gonna build a new relationship. They should know at least
18:24How you became disabled like if you became disabled and it wasn't by birth?
18:28They should know you know what happened just so if their friends or family asked them they could give an explanation
18:35Right like imagine her mom meets them, and she's like oh, what happened
18:39How did you she doesn't really know because you didn't tell her yeah, right like I think that's important
18:43You should know these things because it makes it a smoother transition over
18:47Trying to get people to understand your relationship if you understand your relationship, right I I totally agree
18:54I do have to say though. I felt like their meeting at the airport was pretty wholesome
19:01She the way she just got on his wheelchair gave him a hug like that
19:06That was really wholesome. It was almost like I mean in that moment. It was like he wasn't in a wheelchair
19:12It was like they'd met before and that felt real to me do I think yeah, I agree. It's gonna last absolutely not
19:21But I think the meeting was wholesome
19:24Yeah, she didn't look freaked out which he said was great, which I didn't think it was possible, but I felt like it was a normal
19:32Other than him being in a wheelchair was a completely normal meeting between two people like
19:37If you notice on the show when people are meeting at the airport
19:41They'll show the face of the person hugging the other person like not whoever
19:47Arrived, but whoever's waiting and they're hugging him, and they're always like
19:53Yeah
19:54Actually smiling she was smiling from ear to ear she had like genuine tears in her eyes
20:01That's what I mean. It was wholesome. It was like it was like she was truly happy to see him again
20:08Yes, I don't think the relationship's gonna last, but it was cute me
20:12I've been asking since we met him and her
20:16How much money does he send her and I hate to get like straight to that, but I don't know
20:21I feel like she's a young beautiful mom a woman and she could date anybody she wants
20:28I think that there's some sort of dynamic between the two of them. Yeah, and she said in her package
20:34She's like you know I'm a single mom. It's really difficult. I've went through hard times, and then she said then I met Brian
20:40Yeah, usually right usually when someone's like I was going through a hard time things were really rough
20:44And then I met this person that means that this person came into your life and made your life easier in some way and that
20:49Usually means money. Yeah, right it usually
20:52So I'm beginning to think so he came into your life now your life is so much better
20:57Is it because he's sending you money?
20:59It's just I just want to know if once we can get past that maybe I can actually see maybe she loves him
21:05Maybe it's relationship
21:06I need to know the amount of money that is being sent now because she didn't really say she had a job
21:13Did you catch that but you don't really talk about work? She talked about being a mom she talked about her struggles
21:19She talked about how she had two kids by two different dads
21:21But she got into all of that and how much she likes to ride horses
21:25We didn't really get into work. Yeah, right, and I think that being a single mom usually there's a job
21:31Entailed in there somewhere, so I'm just really wondering right her friend said because he's a gringo
21:36Yeah, her friend did say that because her friend was like well. What is your plan?
21:40You know is he gonna come here?
21:42Are you gonna go there and before she could answer well? She was like oh?
21:45I don't know we never talked about and I was like
21:49Well now you have you have an idea in your mind of what you want to do right and her friend was like well
21:55He's a gringo, so you're looking at you're talking to gringo, so I know what your plan is you're looking for a way out
22:00It's literally what her friend said you're like you're looking for a way to get out
22:04which there's nothing wrong with that right like if you want if you have a dream to get to another place and
22:09You do it the right way, and you're honest about it
22:12I don't have a problem, but you know people follow in their dreams, but be honest about it well, right
22:18I don't think that he knows
22:20What she really wants because I think if this was a real relationship
22:24They would have had a conversation about what works below the belt by now, and I yeah
22:29But if you remember right last episode he was saying how he goes to
22:35Brazil he finds love he this he that this is like the fourth time
22:40He's been engaged to a Brazilian woman, so he keeps going over there
22:45with
22:47Intent of moving just like this time. He's moving there. She thinks she's coming here, so
22:55it's
22:56It's gonna be really rough. Yeah lack of communication causes for a lot of drama right so I wanted to
23:04Talk a little bit about tiger lily in this episode so she she arrives in Jordan
23:10Dressed like a hoochie in Muslim standards. She looked nice. I actually thought her outfit was really nice
23:15But if you were a Muslim man, she was dressed like a hoochie, so she looked like somebody off a Star Trek
23:21She did she did it was yeah
23:24I can see that and so I want to talk about Adnan a little bit because I want to get your
23:29Impression because we got to meet him in his element with his friends
23:32I'm kind of like at his little bachelor party or whatever so I wanted to get like your raw reaction of what you thought he's
23:37A 22 year old virgin right so first of all I wanted to ask you do you buy that no?
23:43He's a pompous arrogant prick
23:46Really, so you think that he has been having sex with women probably since he was 18. Yeah, I mean
23:54He's a model, and he's so attractive and nobody can refuse him and blah blah blah
24:00That that crossed my mind because he kept saying how his appearance how he had to make sure he looked good
24:06And he couldn't have an ugly or a person who didn't dress well on his shoulder
24:10For someone who's celibate
24:12I would just kind of roll out of bed and go because I'm not trying to look good for anyone because we're not doing that
24:19So he spent a lot of time on his
24:21appearance clothing
24:23And he says he said a lot how women just track him down stop him get his ask for his number
24:29And I was like that's really interesting for you to focus on that for someone who?
24:33says they're not interested in sex in any way until they get married, and I think that as
24:38Long as I think we heard this on one another show
24:42They just lie like as long as no one knows that they're having sex
24:46It's not like against the well. I mean it's against the rules, but as long as no one knows. It's not a big deal
24:52I think I want to say we learned about it on match me abroad. Yeah, we're
24:57Right
24:59Right as long as you're doing it late at night, and nobody knows what you're doing
25:02You know you won't get disfellowshipped from your religion or your church, whatever
25:06It just I found it really hard to believe that him being so
25:10arrogantly full of himself that he was just you know not having sex and by sure yeah, and it's
25:19He said it is important for me to feel special all of the time. Oh
25:27Yeah, he did say that he did
25:29well, which
25:31When you marry someone that it's important for them to feel special
25:37200% of the time the odds of you feeling important 100% of the time are slim
25:43Yeah, I think
25:46She is a princess
25:48Well, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of
25:51clash between the two of them because I think that they both want to be in
25:55In the spotlight and they both want to be the most important person, but I think you call it main character syndrome
26:01I think they both are main character in this story
26:04And you know a story could only have one main character and a supporting
26:07Person and I think that neither one of them are gonna accept you the supporting role, right?
26:17Well you know Tiger Lily we were watching her package from the beginning
26:21She's this rich beautiful woman who likes the finer things in life. She's the princess
26:26She has to be the most important person, and then we watch him. This is pretty accurately the same as hers
26:31I don't think he's rich, but I think that everything else. He's a prince
26:34He needs to be the center of attention the spotlight has to be on him. He's a model everyone has to look at him
26:39I don't know how they're gonna mesh
26:42Right like usually a princess doesn't want to be outshined by her prince
26:46Yeah, you know usually I've noticed a lot of times princesses will marry
26:50I don't want to say ugly Prince, but a very basic Prince
26:54You know in order to make sure that the spotlight is on them, right?
26:59I don't want to say which prince and princess I'm talking about pretty sure you know what I'm talking about
27:03Yeah, right the royal one so yeah
27:05They usually pick a guy that isn't gonna overshadow them and they're always gonna be the prettiest girl in the room
27:11Yeah, right, and they don't worry about anybody paying too much attention to the other person
27:15So I I just I feel like the idea of her getting married to him the day that she arrived
27:21It's kind of desperate because she said that the reason why was they couldn't be in the same room together
27:27But when she arrived he hugged her which was against his religion kissed her which was against the room his religion
27:33And they also went to a hotel together in the same room while they were getting ready
27:38just for
27:41Just for them to get ready together, which was also against religion
27:44So what would be the difference if they got married two weeks later? They were already breaking all the rules
27:49Yeah
27:49I just think that it's really desperate to do that and
27:52It makes me wonder why she was willing to do it because you know she's being taken care of by her
27:58ex-husband and
27:59She if she said it took four years to get the settlement and the divorce that she wanted and the second you get remarried
28:06That spousal support ends well
28:08I mean not the second the second he finds out and follows the motion
28:11Then also support hands, and I'm gonna go ahead and say that Adnan is not as
28:17Wealthy as her ex-husband. I'm just gonna throw that out there. He's a 22 year old model, which normally means broke, right?
28:26Right, and she said that he lives with his brother, so he doesn't even have his own house
28:30He's he's roommating and she's gonna throw away her spousal support
28:35Which she could probably get for at least until the kids are older right the kids
28:39She could get it for many many years and throw it all away
28:42To marry a guy and it reminded me of Mary at first sight right like it was basically that show
28:47She's marrying a guy that she never met and it was weird because in the car when they were driving into the city
28:53It was that awkward silence. You know I was like can you imagine you're about to marry somebody you haven't seen them
28:59You just meet them, and you have nothing to say can you like a man?
29:05Because you find out his family's gonna be at his wedding
29:08Well what they be that was really weird too because I was like you're in his hometown with his family
29:14And you're having a wedding a big wedding right and she has four she has four dresses for this big wedding
29:20She knew it was a big wedding. Why would his family not be there and they're they're paying for it
29:26They're making the arrangement. She had nothing to do with it
29:29Obviously they're gonna be there. They're gonna be there, and they're gonna be judgy right like I mean
29:34I'm pretty sure she should have been fully aware, but again. I don't think she's very fully aware of much going on around her
29:41I think that she's really
29:43Light headed I guess it's a nice way to put it Eric at it
29:47Yeah, I think that until you bring something to her attention. She might not notice it. She's one of those self-absorbed
29:55I'm gonna take a selfie above myself
29:59Like you know that meme where there's like a little girl
30:01There's a house burning down behind her and she's just like on the swing
30:07Yeah, like yeah, I feel like that's her like there's like no matter. What's going on around her
30:12She's just thinking about Tiger Lily and what Tiger Lily is doing and I feel like that's probably gonna be the issue well
30:18You know there's gonna be a lot of issues in the situation because she doesn't know
30:22What it entails to be a wife of a Muslim man, and it's already starting, and I don't want to sound
30:28Stereotypical
30:29But this is a very open and closed cookie-cutter situation when it comes to marrying a Muslim man
30:35He's attracted to you because you're hot and you dress sexy
30:40And then when he marries you you need to stop being hot you need to stop being dressed sexy
30:45And you need to drape like a large sheet over your entire body at all times like this is very cut-and-dry
30:51We've seen this story over and over and over and it just makes me
30:55Question first of all why she would want to do it, but second of all
30:59Why do Muslim men go out of their way to find women that they know are going to give them such?
31:08Such pushback
31:09To change into their religion
31:11It's like it would be so much easier to just find a Muslim woman who already believes and understands it
31:16And it's like so I don't know I just look at it as extra work
31:19Like you know how when you go to work, and if you work with certain people
31:23You know you're gonna have to work a little extra hard because that person that you work with is lazy
31:27And they're also an idiot so you're gonna have to do more
31:29So I feel like you you going out and finding an American woman who dresses however she wants and then
31:36That's what attracted you to her, but then once you get her you're like so yeah
31:40You need to start wearing like muumuu's and cover your hair and not do this and it's like
31:45so much extra work because there's gonna be pushback and she's probably gonna get mad at you and you're gonna fight all the time it
31:50Easier for you to just find a woman who is fully immersed in the religion and understands it, and there's no there's no
31:58Challenge right like I am or maybe the challenge is what sexy I don't know I'm not Muslim
32:03So I don't know why they want the challenge can we talk about why?
32:08She has her entire
32:10Well two people her glam squad
32:13Doing her freaking hair on the plate on the plate
32:18But then
32:20Gets off said plane and spends an hour and 20 minutes in the bathroom
32:26Doing your hair that your glam squad just did and it looks horrible
32:32You can literally see
32:34The extensions like you can it's like almost Darcy and Stacey bad, but not quite as bright
32:42But well I thought her hair
32:45looked
32:46real
32:48It's not real, and I'll tell you why you can tell when you watch
32:52So when she's standing there, and it's like straight and looks like it's all blended together
32:57Yeah, that that looks real then she curls it and the top layer
33:02That's super short is her real hair the straight part underneath. That's curled at the bottom is not her real hair oh
33:11See I I didn't know it all looks it all looked real to me. It's very real it is
33:19How did she get an outlet on the plane because that was like the first thing that came to my mind because they're usually just
33:24USB outlet I'm sure that
33:27There's battery-powered hair straighteners and curling irons and all I do think yeah, I think that makes sense, but I can also
33:34Understand why she's getting dolled up on the plane and then goes to the bathroom to do it herself I
33:42Don't get it. I don't get her and I don't feel like why she I mean I know I understand why she brought a glam
33:48Squat she's getting married any bride is gonna have somebody to make sure that you look good
33:52But when you get off the airplane you're not supposed to look like you just walk the runway in New York
33:58You're on airplane for like 20 hours, you're supposed to look tired, right? That's what I would expect. That's why when people
34:07Do these big meetings and they they're like oh, I'm gonna meet them at the airport after their 26-hour plan
34:11I'll be like I would rather you meet me at the hotel after I go and make myself look less like a zombie
34:16Yeah, you know I would rather you not so the idea of like someone filming me getting off the plane looking all crazy
34:24Doesn't seem appealing to me
34:26I would rather can you imagine going to meet the love of your life the person you're going to marry?
34:34Knowing he's on the other side of those gates, and you veer off for
34:4185 minutes
34:46He's gonna leave he's gonna think you set him up. He's gonna think that you changed your mind
34:51That's a lot of time yeah, there's no response like at least respond to the poor guy gotta freshen up
34:58It could have been leased like if her plane landed at 10 p.m.
35:02And you know you're gonna be an hour and a half say my plane lands at 1130. You know be a little
35:09Considerate you know of people one thing
35:12I do hate when I do have to pick up someone from the airport is when I get there
35:16Like tell me I because I do this all the time when someone tells me when their plane leaves
35:22That's what I leave my house
35:23Because I know when the plane when or when they plane lands like say the plane lands at 10
35:28I know you won't be playing until 1030 you're gonna sit on that
35:32And I also know that you're gonna sit in baggage claim for a half an hour
35:35So when you tell me you land at 10
35:37I'm gonna leave my house at 10 because by the time I actually get to the airport and actually get said departures
35:43That's when you'll be walking out
35:45You know cuz I was like I don't know why people do that
35:48But I would I would have definitely said okay if I land at 10 don't get here till 11
35:52You know I'll be a little more considerate, but again
35:55She is the main character here like she and I think that this guy being a 22 year old model who thinks he's God's gift
36:03To the to Jordan it's gonna be a huge clash
36:06And I don't even know if they're gonna make it a few months like honestly
36:12I don't see how long I don't know how long they're gonna make it
36:14I think that she's gonna marry him and screw everything up with her
36:17Spousal support and everything and then realize she screwed up and try to get an annulment
36:21I think that's what's gonna happen like that's my that's my first thing I
36:25Agree, she's gonna try to do the alone because the annulment will undo that the stopping of the spouses of work because the annulment voids
36:33Anything that happened consequent of it, so I think she'll get over there
36:37She'll realize that hey
36:38being a Muslim wife doesn't really appeal to me because I like to do my hair and dress nice and being a Muslim wife
36:44You're not allowed to do either of those things
36:45so I think that she's gonna realize that and try to annul it and try to get back on her spousal support which
36:51Agree would be
36:53Intelligent right that would be very intelligent
36:56Flew to Jordan
36:58Married someone she can have sex with him for the six days that she's there and then come home
37:04Annul it get paid for the show and get back on her spousal support and then everything's fine
37:09Can you imagine?
37:11Getting married just to have sex
37:13That's crazy the craziest thing to me and even just for a week
37:19Like that is crazy to me and so we were talking I was talking about this on X
37:24There's a lot of people that are doing this celibacy
37:27For their religion and more and more religions are taking on this you can't have sex until you're married
37:32I mean most of religions do this, but not everybody follows it
37:36We're seeing a lot more people now that are adopting this rule, which I think it's crazy
37:41I don't think that you can marry someone without having sex. I don't want to sound shallow
37:47I don't want to sound stupid, but
37:50Building a relationship has different
37:53Tears like there's emotional physical attraction meant mental compatibility
37:59Intimate compatibility there's different factors to know if a relationship is gonna work and I think
38:05Marrying because just like that show married at first sight every time people get married
38:09It's like a super low percentage of people say together usually divorced pretty quickly because you're married to a stranger
38:16And even if you love a person once you meet them and live with them you start seeing and noticing things that you just hate
38:23Right, right, and even when you love a person truly, and you've known him for a long time
38:28You still when you move in you notice things about them, and you're just like
38:31Really like that, you know
38:33I don't know if I can get past that and you have to and and that's what people that know each other when you I
38:39think that she's gonna realize that
38:41She married a guy because she thought he was cute and it's gonna destroy her life
38:46You know
38:47And I think being a Muslim wife is a commitment outside of marriage
38:51You're like when you become a Muslim or marry a Muslim
38:53There's two commitments you commit to the person and you commit to the religion
38:57And I don't think that she's the commitment person at all, so I think that they're both gonna fall apart
39:01Oh, I totally agree
39:04Also, she has kids that she has to remember
39:07You know is she moving to Jordan or is she moving him here either way if she decides to convert or live?
39:15Like a Muslim her children are gonna have to do the same thing and I don't think that's gonna be awesome for them
39:22Well, the children are also for I mean the dad has some say in and what
39:27Bring around his children like he can actually go to the courts and file a motion
39:31She's raising my children Muslim, and I disagree absolutely you can actually because family court is so messy
39:38Like he can say she's taking my kids to Disney World and I didn't want them to leave the state
39:43But he could literally make everything difficult for her if he really wanted to and so more money
39:49He could fight it he can definitely make her life a living hell
39:52So she should really think about that because I'm pretty sure the way she explained the divorce she she came after him
39:59She because divorce doesn't take four years to settle so this was a tooth and nail fight
40:04So he's looking for an opportunity to get back
40:06Yeah at her for what she did right you know that she came for him and hit him really hard especially in the wallet
40:12So now that she's doing really stupid things
40:16You know he's at home on the phone with his legal counsel
40:19What can we do because she ruined my life you know because you know how men are men
40:24This is exactly how they're they're just as petty as women so he's like what can I take away from her like what can I?
40:30Do now that she's doing?
40:33especially because he's in a
40:35Super high CEO position it took me all of I don't know ten minutes to figure out
40:43Exactly who he is what company he works for the last five companies
40:48He works for how he got promoted to this company, and why he's there his background his degrees
40:56I figured all of that out in ten minutes, which means
41:00Everybody he works with did too
41:04Well yeah, everybody knows that his ex-wife is on the show
41:07This is probably the talk of the office and you already know that everybody is talking about it your ex-wife just
41:15National television and talked about what an abusive piece of shit you are yes
41:21See that is actually ammunition. That's ammunition so even if things were good, and they were in a good co-parenting
41:28Position now she's reopened the room she went on TV, and he's a very powerful person
41:34You have people that work for you you have
41:36Business relationships you have sponsorships you have donors all these people are now looking at the show
41:43and they're like oh this guy that I entrusted you know with with a
41:47Donorship or I am invested in his company. He's abusive. He beats people you know so now
41:52She's went and reopened that wound and she's she's challenging his professional career and again
41:57We don't know what's true, and what's not we haven't actually seen a police report
42:02That he actually did that because when people break up a lot of times when they go to court
42:07They'll say oh he me or he yell at me, or he he's emotionally abusive and even though
42:13They never said any of that beforehand. It's very helpful for the proceedings that they're going through now
42:18So we don't really know if it's true or not or if it's exaggerated
42:22We don't really know what really happened because usually people don't say these things until they're absolutely a hundred percent ready to end the relationship
42:29And we don't know when that's gonna be
42:31so this could have been going on for five six seven years until she woke up and was ready to be done and
42:37Then she's now she's ready to say oh, he's an abusive person
42:41But we don't know if it was actually going on for the whole time
42:43We don't know if it happened that was the last shot happened once we don't know anything
42:47But his professional world is gonna be in jeopardy
42:50because when those type of stories come out other companies and other aspects of your business are our
42:57Question like people like well, I don't want to do business with somebody that is on TV for being abusive to women
43:02Yeah, like I don't want to invest my money with someone who could do something like that
43:05So that's that's a whole nother issue that she's opening up for herself, right?
43:10So I'll just go ahead and out her for everyone that wants to know her name
43:14Her real name is obviously not Tiger Lily. It's Mariko
43:19Haberman
43:20So you guys can do all the research you want. Yeah
43:23Oh
43:24She said Haberman. Okay, so the story she told was the name Mariko
43:30she was named after a relative and that relative actually poisoned and killed another relative of hers and she
43:38Supposedly allegedly right again. We've never seen a police report
43:41This is just what she wants us to know and she legally had her name changed to Tiger Lily because she didn't want that
43:47Association or whatever. I don't know what the deal is. I don't know what's going on
43:51I think it's really interesting that you would change your name completely and then wipe your Instagram clean right before you go on TV
43:56That's a little weird. Yeah, right. Yeah
43:59Like you're hiding something. It's like you've changed your name completely you wipe your Instagram clean. So no actual
44:06No actual post from beforehand show up. Oh, let me pin that
44:09Yeah, there's the name there guys if you want to do the deep dive
44:12I posted the pictures of the ex-husband on my Twitter
44:16So if you want to see that but again, and if you start the the rabbit hole, it'll all come up
44:21Cara literally we talked about it and then like literally right away. She sent me all the information. It was really quick. So
44:28It's easy to find so faith has like five jobs, right?
44:33So we found out that she works at a hotel, which they also let her live at the hotel. That's a good freaking job, right?
44:40That is amazing. I'm happy to hear that. She's also a magician. She's also a makeup artist. She's a very hard-working person
44:47So what bothers me is she's in a relationship with a deadbeat like that's I'm just gonna be real
44:53she's in a relationship with a deadbeat and
44:55She said before he got there. She was like, I'm he's gonna have to rent his own room
45:00When he gets here and I was like, let's see
45:02He's not gonna have any money to rent his own room and she's like she wants to take it slow again
45:08This is her first boyfriend ever which is crazy because she's 33. Yeah, right or she no, she's 30. He's 33
45:15Yeah, 30 still crazy right to be that I don't want to say old but like that mature to be in your first relationship
45:22You know, usually I don't know. I had a girlfriend a third grade. So like it's weird to me that she's 30 years old
45:28This is her first guy and I feel like yes a hobo
45:31Yeah, that's basically what he is a hobo and I feel like this is probably gonna you know, your relation your previous relationships build
45:38traumatic
45:40Memories and trauma for you to build on so your first relationship being your worst relationship
45:45It's gonna make it hard for her to move forward in newer relationships because she's not gonna trust people
45:53Sexual I love that I love that actually
45:56So he went on reddit
45:58I know you saw it right and he did a Q&A and he said some pretty awful awful awful things about women
46:05It reminded me of the Kyle Gordy situation
46:08Yeah, where he said these nasty terrible
46:11Disgusting vile things about women. I think it's really interesting
46:15when a man has always something negative and nasty to say about a woman, but also wants to
46:21Be in a relationship with the woman, right?
46:23It's like it's such a double-edged double standard hypocrite thing
46:26Like you hate women, but you also can't live without women
46:28You have to pick one and it usually is hate right?
46:31Like if you can only say something negative about women you hate them
46:35But you also need them in your life and it's like that's that's definitely something that's scary because you can't love and hate something at
46:41the same time I
46:43Think that's why he wants a ladyboy
46:46Well, I consider a trans woman a woman right but she like she said
46:54In her words, she's a ladyboy and that's how they refer to him. Just like David and Annie Cindy, right?
47:01He's a lady she just wants the boobs wants to keep her penis and be a ladyboy
47:07So he is attracted to women and men. So he's bisexual
47:13but
47:14There's no damn woman in their right mind. That's gonna give him the time of day
47:18So I feel so bad for her because I think she is a sweetheart
47:25Everything I can tell she's a hard worker. She's got her shit together
47:29She knows what she wants in life
47:32She thinks she's coming to America. She thinks she's gonna have this great life and
47:38This jackass is gonna go over there and shit in the middle of the clean bed. She just made
47:46This is gonna be awful
47:47She has no idea like, you know how you watch those videos online and it's like that before a car accident and everything
47:55It looks totally normal. The intersection looks normal and then this horrific thing happens, right?
47:59Then yeah, like I feel like she literally
48:02Has no idea what she's getting into. Yeah, it's just scary for me
48:07To think about it because she has her life in order
48:09You know how when some people don't have their shit together and they go into other people's lives and they bring other people down with
48:15Them that's what I worry about
48:17I worry that he's gonna go over there and try to move into her
48:20Room that she gets for work and get her fired from her job
48:22You know, like I feel like he's gonna go over there and he's gonna destroy
48:25what she has because you know people who don't have their shit together they go and they leech off of other people and I feel
48:31Like he's gonna act what's gonna happen. I'm in it's sad because like you said, I feel like she sincerely wants a
48:38Relationship, it's just picked the worst possible living creature
48:44He
48:46She should have
48:48Sean
48:50Before Sean ended up getting married cuz oh yeah. Yeah, Sean and Aaliyah
48:56I like it Sean, you know, he was very open and honest about his his stuff. He wanted the open relationship
49:03Not only is this her first boyfriend
49:06But also
49:09this guy
49:11He doesn't want to be monogamous. He wants to sleep with everyone and everything
49:16Like he thinks he's moving to the Philippines
49:20He thinks he can just pack up and move to another country
49:22This guy is so ignorant on so many different levels about so many different things
49:30Excuse me, and she thinks it's just getting this great American guy that lives in Las Vegas that has a bunch of jobs
49:38He is gonna go over there and wreck her wreck her life
49:43Wreck her job wreck her hopes wreck her dreams. He's going to destroy her. Yeah
49:49That's what they do. So they go and they destroy everything in there in their path people who don't have their shit together
49:56They go and they find people who do and they just they wreck it. They're like a wrecking ball
50:01Yeah, they go and take take take until there's nothing left to take and then they retreat they run away and they leave you in
50:07the shambles
50:08that that they caused and it's just I
50:12Don't know he really rubbed me the wrong way though
50:14Like I've seen the stuff that he said online and he keeps saying he wants to be on more shows
50:20He's asking fans to write to TLC to get him on more shows. He's giving off like strong
50:25thirst and desperation and it's like when I heard about the fact that he was voluntarily unemployed for his
50:32Child support hearing and then I found out that on tonight's episode faith was like, oh, he's not stingy with his money
50:39I was like, so wait, he doesn't have money for his children, but he's sending faith money, which is which is a
50:46Kind of a deceit because he doesn't have any money. He doesn't have a job
50:50He doesn't well, he has jobs, but he doesn't have a place to live
50:53But he's selling to her that he has a lifestyle because he's sending her money. So he's deceiving her
50:58So when he gets over here, he can kind of plant himself in her life. Yeah, I think he's gonna be like, oh, yeah
51:04I'm just gonna stay here for a while and then a while turns into forever
51:09And then she's gonna be out working every day and he's gonna be laying around doing whatever he does all day. Nothing right like
51:16He's a fool and I can't stand him. I said it last episode. I'm gonna say it this episode
51:21I can't stand him, but I do love also, I think she's green Lauren
51:27Said that he sent nudes to
51:30Faith, please. Please. Please no one leak those
51:34Because we we've been we've been cursed with with seeing cult and
51:39Please these are just between Lauren and Faith. None of us want to see
51:43Yeah, so if they're on reddit and you see them no need to send it to me or Tara or anyone if we're fine
51:50We don't need to see any of that. Like I don't I'm not an only fans person for like the cast members
51:57I don't need to see them in that way. Yeah, I'm good. I
52:00Like this show I like the drama, but I don't need to see that because when they brought that up it I've got the
52:06flashback of the trauma when the cults pictures were floating around and you can't unsee these things guys not
52:14Please there's not I bleach out there. No, there's no reason and then I
52:21Remember when the big only fans leak it went out for on reddit for most of the night a cast members
52:27Was like three or four two or three years ago and all I kept saying was why aren't they so unflattering right?
52:33I was like who just spreads eagle on the bed like like guys for real
52:39We don't want to see it. If you find it on reddit send it to all of your friends me and car
52:42Okay, bro. You don't need to see it. So I mean I love Rob now, but
52:48Even his only fans couldn't be any more unflattering. Oh god
52:53That was here
52:55Really that was scary, right?
52:58Like it's and you don't know what you're getting into because the way that someone sent it into my DM
53:03It was just a link good God what you click the link. There's no going back
53:07You don't know what you're getting into. There was no warning. There was no trigger warning
53:10yeah, there was no this is what you're about to see and it's just
53:15who I
53:17Just I don't know. I don't even know how to get into that. I don't know who wants to see that
53:20I don't know what
53:22Fetish it is where you want to see people doing these things. It's weird to me and I know this guy don't want it's gross
53:29but we're gonna come back tomorrow because
53:33The other way is coming on. I don't know. I kind of feel like the other way is my favorite
53:37I don't be but we're too early
53:39We're only two episodes in but I feel like I have more connection to the other way probably cuz we're gonna be on episode 11
53:45And we're only on episode 2 before the 90 days but tonight is the finale of forbidden love
53:51These are all new people. So like it's gonna take a minute to get used to them
53:57Yeah, it's probably that cuz yeah, it's like I'm trying to like I'm like episode 1
54:03I was totally fine with Renee episode 2 Renee was like under my skin. So it's like it's too early on
54:08I feel like the other way I've had a little more time
54:1011 or 10 episodes so far to get to get into the groove of what's going on, right?
54:15So I still am really happy that we're getting all
54:18New people for before the 90 days
54:21It's been years since we could turn on the show and not see Gino and Jasmine. It's been years
54:26So wonder please don't take advantage of this awesome amazing time that we're in
54:33These are amazing times to be alive. Yeah, you know when Jasmine are not on our TV Angela and Michael are not on our TV
54:39This is amazing time to be alive right now. Yep. Absolutely
54:42All right guys, so I know that I sent it to you, but I have to say
54:48So I went on tik-tok and Elmer invited me to go live with him. Oh
54:53I had already
54:55Podcasted I'd already changed my clothes
54:57I was already laying in bed and he invited me to go live and I wasn't about to get dressed and go live to
55:04Ask my questions, but I will the next one. Okay, cuz I have okay. Yeah
55:09Please please do. Yeah, I reached he reached out to me and said he wanted to do an interview
55:15But we went through his publicist and his publicist through sharp and stuff and we never heard back
55:19So yeah, if you can get that that would be amazing because you know, we have a million a million questions, right?
55:25So if you get in there, I get on this tick-tock. I'm gonna ask him to come on the podcast
55:30Well, yeah, we will I want him to come on
55:32Yeah, I did go through um his publicist through sharp, but we didn't hear back
55:36So, I don't know if maybe they're waiting for the show to end and then you're back
55:41He was talking some shit on tik-tok. So
55:45Really? Okay
55:47Probably gotten a little bit of trouble, but that's okay. Oh
55:50No, that's fine. We're not under NDA. We're good. We don't care
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56:05Um, hopefully soon we're gonna have duty back Didi his it's been out, but she will be back
56:11As soon as I find out when I'll let everybody know so we can have like a nice little warm
56:16Welcome for her when she comes back. Um, thanks for staying up late with us. And again, we'll be back tomorrow night
56:21We're gonna talk about some forbidden love in the other way. Everybody. Have a wonderful night, and we'll talk to you soon