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00:00Time to talk to Tim Calcommie SF standard excited to have him today because again, we've got big names and Intel
00:07We need Tim. Thanks for coming on man. How you been?
00:10I'm doing just fine mark. How you doing? Oh, we're doing great and and appreciate having you
00:15What is your take on what just went down with Debo Samuel and the 49ers?
00:21Yeah, I mean, you know don't know that I knew this exact is gonna happen
00:25I don't think he was gonna come back to the 49ers
00:28At the salary that he was down for I don't leave the 49ers were too interested in that
00:33My guess was that they were going to tell him that you got to come take a pay cut or you know
00:38That's okay. Then we move on from each other. I thought people might think about it and I guess he's not
00:45It's my reading situation and maybe people was instigating himself
00:49I'm not a hundred century exactly still how that conversation with Kyle Shanahan went at the end of season
00:55I think the 49ers would still like to have him on the team, but at a different number
00:59We saw what happened to Eric Armstead last year. Kyle Ushak, Eric Armstead was told take a pay cut or you're cut
01:04He said okay cut me
01:05Kyle Ushak was told the same thing and they figured out a way for him to take a pay cut instead
01:10Hey, that's usually how they do this. I would be surprised if it went
01:14Really differently with Debo who is one of Kyle Shanahan's favorite players. I'm still sure probably still is
01:20And maybe Debo, you know, my thought was he's getting out ahead of this like, okay
01:24Which is not gonna work at the current price. I can go get it somewhere else a trade me to do a place now
01:31I don't know what that trade is going to be because it is not new in the 49ers
01:35Don't go all of a sudden. Oh my god. We have to start exploring trades for Debo Samuel
01:39They've been exploring trades for Debo Samuel for like four years now
01:42And they just have never gotten the right offer that that could you know
01:46Make them feel that they would get the value back at you know, knowing that they couldn't keep negotiating with him on the contract
01:52I don't know what they're gonna get offered. You know, I think they'd want a fourth or a third
01:56I don't know that they're gonna get that
01:58The price tag is high that the acquiring team probably doesn't want to pay him what his current salary is
02:04They would probably have to negotiate a new deal with him
02:06That's where you know the permission that Tory Dandy's agent has talked to other teams
02:11I'm sure they're talking about what the compensation would be with them on the new team all these trades
02:16for big-name players having
02:18Contractual issues means you got to give him a new contract if you trade for him
02:21So I think all this is up in the air
02:23Maybe it's a little more it's a little quicker than I thought it was going to be
02:26But also Debo is a proud player, you know
02:29He feels like he can go out there and have another great big year did not he had a very bad year this season
02:35And so I think the 49ers being realistic caught in another contract that he signed two years ago a three-year extension
02:41That is not going to be a three-year extension. It's gonna be two years
02:45Kind of built that in that they could get out of it. And so all this has kind of been playing out for the last year
02:50so
02:52Knowing that that he's one of Kyle's favorite players. I said on my podcast yesterday. I'll say it I've heard
02:59For a few weeks now that when I was we weren't unhappy with Debo's weight at the end of the season now
03:04He's gotten hurt some of this happens
03:06But they were not happy we saw he did not have the explosion. He was not bouncing off with people
03:12He was not running through a defense like he'd done at least two three years ago
03:16It's just the reality of the way things develop and I think at this point you probably will not be a 49er
03:21But there's still a chance you could still remain a foreigner
03:23I don't think that's the way this is headed
03:25But they got to figure out what a good trade would be and is it a six-round pick are they gonna I don't know
03:31These things have to be
03:33Decided by what the trade market is by what teams want to pay Debo what the 49ers will accept
03:38That's a lot of things up in the air right now
03:40And how much does the IU injury complicate this because if I use out till October
03:45Let's just say and Debo is on another team. What do you do a wide receiver?
03:50It's a good question. I think they must have in some way have another plan
03:54I think the discussion with Debo and Kyle Shanahan is that okay. You don't want to pay me enough
03:59I want to be traded. I think the 49ers are just kind of that's a separate thing. I
04:04Understand the depth chart. They do not have it. They've drawn Jennings. They've Ricky Pierce all they have Jacob Cowling
04:09That's not a great set of receivers at the moment. You know, you don't know if they're healthy. You don't know
04:15Where this all will fit with the passing game. I
04:19Just think Debo's on the I think the 49ers cut some people in the 49ers office
04:23Probably been ready to trade Debo for a while now
04:25And if he doesn't want to take less money, then they're not gonna have him on the team anymore
04:30I think that is generally what is happening above and beyond anything else is going on
04:36Maybe there's gonna be a lot of receivers out there
04:38I mean, I don't know if the 49ers would be in the market for what level but I don't think they'd be a tea
04:42Higgins market team, but they could be on some receivers who are
04:47Theoretically going to be available at some prices. I think that they could be able to afford
04:52We'll see. I just think it's separate
04:54I think they could have traded you can Debo last year
04:57Like I think there's a there is a fatigue in the 49ers front office not Kyle Shanahan
05:03Not John Lynch other people in there
05:04But they have to keep going through this and going through this and they did not get to the Super Bowl last year
05:10They they did not get big production. Let me see. There's no IU was hurt
05:14But they really didn't like going through what they went through value. I think they could have traded both of them a year ago. So
05:21One being hurt might not affect the way they feel about the other ones in the trade market right now
05:26I don't want to get aggregated for that. I probably will but
05:29I just don't I just don't think the Debo thing is
05:32Specifically tied to any other thing the 49ers are going through a receiver
05:36There I think both sides are kind of ready to not be in business with each other
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05:54SF standard is joining us. Hey to what level do you think they'll get involved on miles Garrett?
06:00Yeah, definitely will make calls. I mean, I don't know that they could sign him long-term again, you know with these deals
06:07It's never just acquiring the contract. It's quite a contract and then you gotta redo something
06:11I mean McCaffrey China was the one where they really didn't have to redo it immediately because he was already at a big contract
06:17I think Garrett would take the contract. I don't know if you can pay both your defensive end thirty five million dollars or so
06:23But for one year two years, maybe they can do it with with Garrett be willing to take a shorter-term deal
06:29I there's a lot of things. I think they'd love the talent. They always want to get involved with the talent
06:33We've seen what the front four that dominates a game can do in a Super Bowl specifically Patrick Mahone
06:39I think they're very eager to add any kind of elite talent, especially on defensive line
06:45I think they're gonna invest in defensive line in many different ways with offseason. Can they get Garrett?
06:50I don't know. The 11th pick is very enticing. It's a really good pick
06:55The Browns I don't think would just do it for the 11, but 11 plus some other things
06:59I don't think the 49ers would get in a bidding war. Okay, we'll give you another one and another one
07:03They're not gonna do that, but I think they're interested
07:06I think they can fit him if you know, he's really anxious to come join the foreigners
07:13There's a lot of things in play there might be better, you know
07:18Situated teams for this than the 49ers, but they get involved with remember
07:22They thought they could trade Phil Mack way back when the Raiders were training him. They get involved with these big names
07:27They would love another, you know, somebody to book out with both that would be at the top of the game
07:32Just don't know that they're perfectly set up to do this the 11th pick though. That's a good start
07:39Yeah, pretty tantalizing and you know, you could send multiple first because that worked out in the past
07:45Yeah, it seems like it's something they've done pretty well. Maybe not Tim. I might be miss remembering
07:52Yeah, is yesterday a little bit of a wake-up call for John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan?
07:57Just watching the way Philadelphia was so dominant on both sides of the ball
08:02And the trenches in me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna do that. Anyway, it's not like, you know, oh my god
08:08Wait a minute. If you have a good pass rush, that's really good. You know, they've always invested
08:12They just had a few misses
08:14They've just kind of gotten a little bit worn down there
08:19Then much more than they thought they would have been
08:21Javon Kinlaw, we know it didn't work out as a draft pick Drake Jackson hasn't worked out of the draft pick
08:26You know that Javon Javon Hargrave didn't really work. Is it the signing?
08:30I gotta redo some things that wasn't they're not looking at, you know, Petro Homes getting, you know
08:36Beaten up by the Eagles defense and thinking okay now we got to go to the defensive line
08:40They were always going to do that. I've heard that very definitively that they're gonna invest in defense
08:45They feel like they have a lot of top-end offensive talent
08:47We know some of it's been injured, but they feel they need to add more defensive playmakers more pass rushers more defensive tackles
08:55And they're gonna do that. Although, you know, this is certainly a reinforcement of that
08:59I think also reinforcement that a really great defensive coordinator can make a big difference
09:04And they're feeling that about Roberts all they're certainly paying him enough
09:08But I don't know that it would like they're not going into meetings a now
09:12Let's go get some defensive linemen that that's what they would have done offensive line is another emphasis
09:17You can see obviously the Chiefs offensive line broke down against what the Eagles were doing
09:23Foreigners don't really think about the offensive line that way
09:25They just they would always think defensive line over offensive line if there's a great offensive line the lineman for them at 11
09:32We'll take them, but they're very picky. I don't think it's gonna happen
09:35I think it's gonna be a defensive lineman kind of where this draft fits to but yeah, I think big picture. They gotta go, man
09:42We could have beaten the Eagles. All right, if things went right this year, they have beaten the Eagles
09:47I think they would have felt very good about that and their season just broke up in a way that they blew a chance that
09:52They could have won a Super Bowl because they could have beat the Eagles and if you beat the Eagles
09:56Maybe it could beat the Chiefs. So, you know in a large view
10:00I think that's what they're thinking, but they were thinking that throughout the season
10:03I think they still think they've got a really good roster. I agree with them
10:06They got a really good roster. You got to get the pretty contract situation settled, which I think is on its way
10:12You've got to figure out how to bolster that defensive line be smart about adding to the offensive line and see where yeah
10:20I think they were thinking that you know throughout the season
10:23It's just these injuries messed them up and some there's some bad decisions
10:27Maybe they're wrong because according or wrong special teams coach
10:31But yeah, I think these the Super Bowl kind of really reinforces that like, you know, the Eagles
10:37Are a super super team. They're really good. They're not the greatest team of all time
10:41There was an opportunity there to come out of the NFC the foreigners completely messed it up
10:46Tim Calicami with us Tim. Let's let's talk some Warriors
10:49What what do you know about the way the last two weeks sort of transpired?
10:54Like how close were they to actually getting Kevin Durant and and how excited are they?
11:00Really deep down that it ended up being Jimmy Butler instead
11:05Yeah, I mean, I wanted Durant man. That's very owner driven. I would say he loved Kevin Durant. I
11:12Understand it. I didn't think they could put a deal together that would
11:15Satisfy what Phoenix wanted but apparently they came very close or did it came down to a conversation with Kevin Durant and Steph Curry and
11:21During I knew Durant would not that's what not want to come back here
11:24I just don't feel like that. He doesn't want to go back to the Warriors. Maybe he changes his mind
11:30I've thrown it out there maybe in the offseason, but you know, if he gets really really tired of the Suns
11:35But he doesn't want to seem kind of coming back with his tail between his legs. I've never thought that was gonna happen
11:39I know how much Joe Laker wants him back has wanted him back from the day that he left
11:44I understand it. He's an incredible player, but it's just hard for me to see him. Oh, you know what?
11:50I was wrong for leaving. I really should have come back here and I could only win championships if I'm with Steph Curry
11:55That's not how Kevin thinks it's just not and then you had to kind of understand that
12:00They get they could have got him and they could have got him against his will and said hey
12:03You know what just accept it and but they chose not to which I respect
12:07I don't think that would have been smart. Jimmy Butler is a good move again. They did not have to give up coming
12:11I wrote that they should not trade for for Butler like a month ago
12:15But that's when the price was going to be coming and Wiggins and the pick and something else
12:21That's when you know before you know, what two suspensions ago of Jimmy Butler. I don't know to miss like we go
12:26Whatever you want to go through all these things
12:29They did pay him the extra year to try to make sure he's happy here and there's a risk
12:33They're obviously an older player has been injured, but he's
12:38Everything that they needed now, they're not a championship roster now
12:41You know when they talk about players who are stationary
12:44You don't want to take the big shot who can't attack a defense when the defense is all running that stuff
12:49That's what Jimmy Butler does and we saw that in that first game now
12:52We'll continue to see if it happens and the Bulls are bad
12:56But that's stuff that again fans get really mad at me when I name specific names
13:00But that's not what Moses Moody doesn't know what Gary Payton a second doesn't know what dream on green
13:05Not what Kevin Lee come on when he does but not what great Jackson Davis does it definitely wasn't what Dennis Trudeau was doing
13:11They thought it would and he did not do it. Well, there doesn't like, you know, he's gonna do it
13:15There's not gonna be a scared adjustment period. He's not have to figure it out be smart enough
13:20No, you know what if I just do this screen for staff. I'm gonna be open because they're all gonna run after staff
13:26They had not have players who do that and or can challenge the rim when they do that
13:31How many times they throw them in the middle and then the guy just have to fumble it because he can't finish
13:36Jimmy Butler can finish get fouled all those things. So they are a better team
13:40It's not they didn't have to give them the extra year the contract like all these things because it got so bad in Miami
13:47I think the Warriors got a pretty decent deal on this
13:50It's risky because Jimmy Butler can blow up at any time
13:54But I think he's gonna be highly motivated at least for this season
13:57maybe going in the next season, then we'll see if he was another contract, but I think this is a
14:03Feel good move for them for the right now. It's exactly what Steph Curry needs
14:08It's exactly what he's been talking about. Don't go crazy. Don't give up anything
14:14I don't want this team to be horrendous in two years or three years
14:18But I want to play meaningful games and I think that's exactly what they've set up for the rest of this season when it was getting
14:25Meaningful and for next season and maybe the season after that
14:29So as you look at them slotted in the West with Anthony Davis now out for a month and you've got you know
14:35Sacramento maybe ready to take a step back and Phoenix in a certain amount of turmoil
14:39Is it far-fetched for you to think that this team could climb up into the upper reaches of the play-in and maybe even be a top?
14:47succeed
14:48Yeah, I think it's possible. You know, I don't want to shut over optimism, but there's a bunch
14:53There's a bunch stuff group there. I don't think they're gonna get six
14:57Minnesota's playing a lot better Lakers are just playing good and that's before Lucas debuted a night
15:02But seven I think is there now, you know, that's still playing but you're playing at home
15:06You just have to win once and then you get to be matched up against a two-seed not the one see in the first round
15:11There certainly won't be favorites against Memphis or Houston or whoever it's gonna be
15:15But you give him a shot Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry against the young playoff team
15:19You give him a shot and you know, I think that's there for them
15:23They have to play a lot better than they played in the last few months
15:27But I think they're set up to can they can they get the six can I get the 46 wins and the seven seed?
15:34Yes, six seed might take more than that. It's gonna be a little harder
15:38Seven feet I think would be a success for them and then win that game at home
15:42You're not getting on a flight and then have to fly elsewhere win that game play the two seats
15:47See, what's up? See what methods have they've beaten Memphis before at the two when Memphis was a two-seed. So I just think
15:55They kind of put themselves in the conversation and that's about you know, if they got in Durant
16:00maybe you can start thinking about being the top 14 they didn't get him and
16:05Jimmy Butler was an as the source told me then that's that's guy available and they got him and they were very intent on getting him
16:13Keeps the conversation alive keeps Steph engaged keeps dream on engaged
16:18These are important banks as it runs out. Are they gonna win a title?
16:21I don't think so this year
16:23but you can see them having a road to some very interesting games come April one day and
16:28Then look another move or two. They do have option abilities that's been pointed out to me
16:34They can move some other guys. They still have coming on the roster
16:38And then
16:39Next season we'll see what they do and then one more season
16:42Yep, all the contracts expire and have a lot of money
16:45And now this is a long way to go look in the future, but it's not like they've taken off all their options
16:52They still have some options and they're going to be more interesting for the next, you know
16:56Let's say two years and that's a pretty decent outcome. That's from where they were from what it was looking at
17:02That's a pretty
17:04Interesting way to make sure that we're still talking about them in two weeks and four weeks and in ten weeks and in two years
17:11And they were in jeopardy of possibly sliding out of that conversation
17:15I had no doubt they were a big episode of the TK show
17:19Of course part is part of the Odyssey Network that just dropped this morning
17:24You did a sit-down with Steph Curry and Tim. I I wonder what did you really gather about?
17:30His current state of mind with regard to right the organization the future all of that
17:37Yeah, we did the interview the night before the Butler trade
17:40Okay, but I think it's very clear in his voice why the Warriors would want to do the Butler trade
17:47I'll put it that way. I went back and listened to it after the trade. It was really clear now
17:51I think my I suspect it was
17:54Pretty soon after he'd had the conversation with Durant and heard that in Durant wasn't gonna come to the Warriors
17:59So you can kind of hear that in his voice, too. You can't yeah, I think you just can't wave a magic wand
18:05It's not fantasy basketball, but also you can be practical. You can be reasonable
18:09You don't have to make the home run move because that's not available
18:14You make the good move and be
18:17Competitive play meaningful basketball. That's I got out of this conversation was he's not there
18:23Jumping and screaming and saying my legacy is being tarnished getting out of here. That's not Steph Curry
18:28That's never gonna be Steph Curry unless things get really bad
18:32But there's a trust between him and Warriors management and Warriors management him that they can get through this
18:39rationally and not neurotically and
18:42Understand that's gonna be ebbs and flows and understand that they've won here and they can win again
18:48Theoretically if you make smart moves and that the Jimmy Butler move if it's the right one, they'll do it
18:54They're not gonna back away from paying them another fifty six million dollars, which they're committing to
18:58They're not gonna back away from training for a protected first-round pick
19:02but they're gonna keep coming and they're gonna keep their other picks and they're gonna keep the ability to go do something if
19:08Possible in July and they're gonna do it again then July after that and I think that comes through, you know
19:14It's just the rational
19:17Understanding Steph Curry at the as he knows he does not have a ton of time left
19:21But talks about what he wants to end to look like for him
19:25Willing to have that conversation now and it's all there and it really as I went back to maybe I'm just trying to think about
19:32Hey, that's really what's a great interview
19:34But I went back and let's go man
19:35If you wanted to know why the Warriors handled the deadline like they did
19:40Just listen to the tone of Steph Curry's voice and what he's saying on this in these 21 minutes
19:46I was convinced at least and I was one sitting there across from him. Yeah, and then
19:50On
19:51Believable part now going forward is coming. Do you think they're gonna be able to keep coming at a price?
19:57That will be team friendly, but also amenable to JK
20:01Yeah, I mean, you know, that's what negotiations are for. I think there's confidence on the Warriors that they can do it
20:07I don't know what the price day is gonna be they can do it
20:10And stay under the second apron possibly if they move some other things
20:16I think they want him. I think they felt they've seen a lot of
20:20Growth from him. We'll see how this season ends. We'll see how he does in the postseason
20:25But I think he's pretty happy about being on this team. I think he loves being with Jimmy Butler
20:31I think he understands that he can pattern some of his game
20:34Like is there a better player in the league for John?
20:37Can they get given a skill set to model himself after and Jimmy Butler like that's like just about perfect
20:43And so I think again, can they trade him? Yes might they trade him?
20:48We'll see that's what they would use to trade to get somebody big
20:51but I think the intent at the moment is to keep conning it and
20:56The relief is that they can make a big move and they did not have to put in there
21:00It's tough to value him now. Anyway, he's hurt. He hasn't played a ton and you know in his four seasons
21:05And you see the value you see the skill
21:09Can't quite figure out exactly where he would fit on this roster for the long term
21:14But you'd want them and I think you know if it's 33 34 million dollars a year a little less a little more
21:21I think the Warriors at some point are at peace with paying that price now
21:26We'll see if Kaminga wants to pay that minute wants that that to be the number
21:30Does he want it to be more? I just don't think it's gonna get to a point where he's like get me out of here
21:35I don't see that happening. I don't see the Warriors going. We don't want this guy anymore
21:39It seems to be on a path where you know
21:42They're sharing a view of what this could look like and what he means to them
21:46Doesn't mean again that they won't train him or he might see something, you know better off into the distance
21:52But I'm saying it feels like they can find a middle ground and then you know
21:57So they could find him and then train him in a year, right that could happen
22:00but I think he's got the value to them and they've got sort of got the salary spot that
22:07You want him on this team and you want to see what it looks like with him and Jimmy Butler and Steph and Draymond and
22:13Just kind of play it out for a while
22:16And I the fact that they kept them out of it any trades
22:20They would have put him in Durant trade obviously, but they kept them out of any other trade
22:24I think was pretty important to them. I think that means
22:27They're thinking that he's gonna be on the team after this season Tim great stuff really informative
22:33Thank you so much for hopping on for a few
22:35Yeah, okay, there he goes Tim kalkami SF standard the TK show is part of the Odyssey Network and it just dropped
22:43It's Tim and Steph Curry