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Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
Waseem Badami's In-Depth Analysis of PTI's Conflicting Statements
"We Didn't Stop Anyone from Protesting' During Our Era" - Ali Muhammad Khan
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- Waseem Badami
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- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
Waseem Badami's In-Depth Analysis of PTI's Conflicting Statements
"We Didn't Stop Anyone from Protesting' During Our Era" - Ali Muhammad Khan
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00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:15In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:17Today was a very important day.
00:18There was a lot of talk about the November 24 protest and Imran Khan.
00:23Today was the first time when Imran Khan met Pakistan Territorial Police Chief.
00:29Barrister Gauhar came out and said that Imran Khan has paid tribute to the Punjab Chief.
00:35He paid tribute to those who left the country.
00:37He told us to go to the assembly and raise our voice against the atrocities committed there.
00:42He expressed his regret over the martyrs.
00:44And talked about such things.
00:46Over the weekend, some very dangerous things were going on on social media.
00:50And not just the supporters of PTI, not just the workers of PTI.
00:54The senior leader of PTI, who was appointed as Deputy Speaker.
00:58That is, Qasim Suri, what did he say over the weekend?
01:01He said, Imran Khan is not in jail.
01:04If he is not in jail, then where is he?
01:06For the past three days, Imran Khan has been locked up in a very small cell of GHQ.
01:12Around that cell, 150 to 200 young men are guarding.
01:17A wall has been built in front of the cell.
01:19A black cloth has been put on their faces.
01:23That black cloth is taken off at night.
01:26They are suffering from the worst torture.
01:29This is what Qasim Suri said.
01:31Then he said, Imran Khan has been conspired to harm for five to seven days.
01:37The whole country has been planned to be sealed at the same time.
01:41The day before yesterday, a meeting was held with all the senior officers of the police.
01:45And a very dangerous plan has been planned.
01:49Qasim Suri said, Imran Khan has been given something.
01:53Due to which his mental balance is at risk.
01:56A poisonous substance has been sprayed in a small room.
02:00The smell of which is affecting his mind.
02:03He is unwell.
02:05His life is in danger.
02:07Qasim Suri said, what is happening?
02:12What happened?
02:13Barrister Kaur went to meet Qasim Suri today.
02:15And with the rest of the things.
02:17He also completely refuted this thing.
02:19In these words.
02:33During this time, over the weekend.
02:35There were various claims of destruction from the side of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
02:40So many people have been martyred.
02:42The press release started from 8.
02:44Someone said 20.
02:45Someone said 50.
02:46Someone said 100.
02:47Someone said 278.
02:48Someone said hundreds.
02:50What were those claims?
02:51First see that too.
03:12And thousands.
03:13Thousands have been injured by bullet wounds.
03:15Among the supporters of PTI.
03:17At least 20 people were martyred.
03:20Today, the chairman of this party.
03:22Barrister Gauhar.
03:23Refuting all these claims.
03:25He also expressed his indifference.
03:27He said about 12 martyrs.
03:29That 12 people have lost their lives.
03:31And said hundreds of deaths.
03:32The word hundreds was used by Mr. Ali Amin.
03:34He says we never owned it.
03:36So you can say that PTI has officially.
03:38He has taken a step back from the claims of hundreds of deaths.
03:42The chairman said this.
04:09Now the government is saying that.
04:11Not a single person has been martyred.
04:13Prove that even one person has been martyred.
04:15And this figure of 12 is also wrong.
04:17Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
04:18To the extent of these 12.
04:20Giving details.
04:21Giving pictures.
04:22Giving videos.
04:24The government claims that all these claims.
04:26Are fake of PTI.
04:28On the one hand, this is the claim.
04:30Another very interesting presentation has taken place.
04:32From Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
04:34From Bani to Imran Khan.
04:36The person who was in the most contact with Imran Khan.
04:39His name is Barrister.
04:41Who met repeatedly.
04:43Who contacted Imran Khan repeatedly.
04:45And he came and announced on television.
04:47That Imran Khan had agreed not to go to D-Chowk.
04:49He is not going to Sangda.
04:51The party did not agree.
04:52Bushra did not agree.
04:53First you see what he said in what words.
05:07And after the discussion with Imran Khan.
05:09He said okay.
05:11We are ready to go there.
05:13But.
05:15The issue that was created.
05:17When we discussed with our colleagues.
05:19The party refused to accept it.
05:21And they insisted on it.
05:23That we have to go to D-Chowk.
05:25Fundamentally.
05:27Bushra Bibi said.
05:29She will not go to D-Chowk.
05:31And people have to sit there.
05:34But surprisingly.
05:36The party's chief executive.
05:38Rauf Hassan said.
05:40This is not the case.
05:42It is wrong to say.
05:44That Imran Khan said.
05:46That we should go to Sangda.
05:48And not go to D-Chowk.
05:50This is not right.
05:52This is not right.
05:54This is not right.
05:56This is not right.
05:58This is not right.
06:00This is not right.
06:02Barrister Saif.
06:04On record.
06:06He said that Imran Khan agreed.
06:08But Bushra Bibi did not agree.
06:10So we will go to D-Chowk.
06:12This is shocking.
06:14My information is that.
06:16Imran Khan did not agree.
06:18The second visit of Gaur.
06:20Was in the same matter.
06:22To convince him.
06:24That he should agree.
06:26But he did not agree.
06:28Saif is quoting Imran Khan.
06:30This is shocking.
06:32This is shocking.
06:34This is shocking.
06:36Barrister Ali Zafar.
06:38Who met Imran Khan.
06:40He did not talk.
06:42A little while ago.
06:44He said.
06:46Now this is coming from Khan.
06:48According to Ali Zafar.
06:50He said.
06:52Imran Khan said.
06:54It is good that we went to D-Chowk.
06:56Bushra Bibi did the right thing.
06:58What did Ali Zafar say?
07:00See this.
07:28He praised Bushra Bibi.
07:30He said.
07:32She is very brave.
07:34She had to go to D-Chowk.
07:36She tried to go there.
07:38He gave her credit for that.
07:42He also said.
07:44It was good that.
07:46PTI did not protest elsewhere.
07:48Because somewhere else.
07:50The government said.
07:52Go somewhere else.
07:54It was a trap.
07:56He took the right step.
07:58That they did not go to the trap.
08:00So not only that.
08:02Ali Zafar himself is claiming.
08:04That Khan has said.
08:06It was good that Sanjani went.
08:08Khan spoke in opposition to Sanjani.
08:10He said Sanjani was a trap.
08:12It was good that they went to D-Chowk.
08:14He praised Bushra Bibi for this.
08:16So far, many party leaders.
08:18Not many, but many.
08:20Many leaders have said.
08:22It was wrong to go to D-Chowk.
08:24It was wrong to go to D-Chowk.
08:26And Bushra Bibi's decision was wrong.
08:28Ali Zafar is saying.
08:30Khan has praised Bushra Bibi for this.
08:32Our guest today.
08:34Needs No Introduction.
08:36Ali Muhammad Khan.
08:38Before I go to him.
08:40I want to talk to him.
08:42I want to talk to him.
08:44I want to talk to him.
08:46I want to talk to him.
08:48I want to talk to him.
08:50I want to talk to him.
08:52Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
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10:00Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
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10:08Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
10:10Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
10:12Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
10:14Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
10:16Let's talk to Ali Muhammad Khan.
10:18Sir, thank you for your time.
10:20Sir, let me tell you something.
10:22You are also amazed by what I said.
10:24Your talk is based on what you said
10:26about the PTI leadership.
10:28You said it was all Sanjani's doing.
10:30But Ali Zafar said on the record
10:32that Sanjani's trap was of the good ones.
10:34That's what I appreciate.
10:36It's a new information for you.
10:38Yes, definitely.
10:40In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
10:42In the name of God, the Most Merciful
10:44In the name of God, the Most Merciful
10:46There are 3-4 things that are very important.
10:49The first thing is that in these days, the most important issue is the martyrdoms that have been done at D-Chowk.
10:56In the internal matters of the party, in the strategic decision, there can be a difference of opinion and there can be a mistake as well.
11:05Because a human being can make a mistake.
11:08So if in the decision-making, there is a mistake made by the party leadership or it should have gone here or should have sat there,
11:14these are all things, but they are for internal consumption.
11:18I have never discussed the internal debate of the party in public.
11:21It has been 11-12-13 years since I have discussed it with you, nor will I do it today.
11:24But I just want to say that Tariq-e-Insaaf is a middle-class group of a visionary and a worker-creditor.
11:32Imran Khan has always talked about making it an institution.
11:36And my vision, my thinking, as much as I understand this group, my leader, is that
11:41just like a middle-class or a low-middle-class, an educated child or a child,
11:48goes to the top position by doing CSS, becomes a secretary, becomes a deputy commissioner, ASB, DPO,
11:54or just like a middle-class child goes from ISB to Kakuul and then left in general,
11:59there are such examples that in our society, the son of a low-ranking officer also became an army chief.
12:05Similarly, there should be such a political group in which people do not reach high positions
12:10on the basis of family, but on the basis of their ability, so that this avenue is also opened for Pakistanis
12:15that politics is not just a job of a rich man.
12:17Tariq-e-Insaaf has proven this.
12:19In this, people like Sharair Afridi, I do not take my name, but people like Murad Saeed,
12:24or people like Shaukat-e-Sufzai, or you have a lot of examples from Punjab,
12:31although they have a big family, but from there, from Punjab, you have such names
12:36who had no background and they came, Farooq Habib was a name, he unfortunately left.
12:41Now the point is, how will the decision-making be in this?
12:47As far as I understand, the one who was nominated by Mr. Khan, like Mr. Gauhar,
12:52and Mr. Gauhar is 11-12-13 years younger than me in the party,
12:55I believe him because Mr. Khan nominated him.
12:59Now, whatever you have said, I will keep Mr. Gauhar's statement the most reliable
13:05because he is the face of the Jamaat.
13:07He gave three or four briefings to the political committee and once to the core committee.
13:13Once to the core committee, three or four times to the political committee.
13:16Mr. Khan gave them on 25th.
13:18And just remember that on 25th, I also went to Adyala.
13:22I don't know if I am so ugly, but they stop me every time.
13:25They didn't even let me go on 25th.
13:27They didn't even let me go today.
13:29Today, me and Aleema Aapa and two members, Dr. Shehzad and our lawyers,
13:33some people kept them outside and some went inside.
13:36Of course, it is not that those who go inside are more capable than us.
13:39But some people have been pinpointed.
13:41Don't let them go inside.
13:42My last meeting was on 15th November.
13:44But today, they went inside and spoke to Mr. Khan.
13:48They brought some messages out of Mr. Khan.
13:50I think the most important thing out of all this,
13:53see, what Mr. Khan said was not implemented.
13:56We will discuss that in our party.
13:58The important thing is that we have got dead Pakistanis.
14:01They have been shot right in D-Chowk.
14:04We have one question.
14:06You gave a good start to your program.
14:08Some people gave big figures.
14:10I don't agree with this.
14:11You should not give such figures.
14:13You should talk about facts figures.
14:15We have got a figure of 12.
14:17But I say not even 12.
14:19Why is there even one?
14:21These are my Pakistanis.
14:23These are my brothers.
14:24They came to you in D-Chowk.
14:25They were asking for Imran Khan's release.
14:27This is not an illegal demand.
14:29It is within the constitution.
14:31The ruler of the constitution and the law is the second biggest demand.
14:33In fact, it was before.
14:35They were demanding the ruler of the constitution and the law.
14:38And the return of their mandate.
14:40That is, your vote has been stolen.
14:41They are saying, give me back my vote.
14:43I am the ruler of the constitution and the law in the country.
14:46And in response to this, they say that not a single bullet was fired.
14:51So you say that we have provided enough evidence.
14:57This is the most important point.
15:00This is the most important point.
15:02Okay, you did well.
15:03You said this.
15:04Now, I say that Waseem Badami.
15:07The coat you are wearing is mine.
15:09You will say that there is a difference between my body and yours.
15:14Who will decide that?
15:18There will be a third arbiter.
15:20Who will decide whether a bullet was fired or not?
15:23So look at the common sense and common knowledge that we have seen in the videos.
15:28People didn't shoot each other.
15:31They didn't come to kill each other.
15:33We went to D-Chowk to kill each other.
15:35The people of God, the blood that has been shed there, the bullets that have been fired there.
15:38The continuous sounds that have been heard for six to seven hours.
15:40The videos that the BBC reported.
15:42The videos that Al Jazeera reported.
15:43The videos that individual sources reported.
15:45Everything is manipulated.
15:47So who will decide that?
15:49The Supreme Court of Pakistan will decide that.
15:52That is why we demand that there should be a judicial audit.
15:54A judicial commission should be formed.
15:56There should be an investigation.
15:57And you will demand from the government in the parliament forum.
16:00Obviously, you are saying this in talk shows.
16:02I think these are appropriate things.
16:03You will demand from the government in the parliament forum.
16:06Why not?
16:07Look, Waseem, listen to me.
16:09Listen to me.
16:10I am from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
16:12Here in Balochistan, Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the dead bodies are here.
16:16There has been a lot of negative backlash.
16:18That our son, our son, if Islamabad, which is his own caliphate.
16:22If he goes there and tells a political party.
16:25Tell me, Waseem.
16:27Nurses didn't come here.
16:29The teachers didn't come here.
16:31The religious parties didn't come here.
16:32The political parties didn't come here.
16:33In our time, TRP came.
16:34It didn't come here, but in Islamabad.
16:36In our time, Maulana Sahib came to Islamabad.
16:39Maryam Bibi came to D-Chowk.
16:40Bilawar Sahib came to D-Chowk.
16:42A lot of teachers used to come here.
16:44I used to engage with Pervez Khattak Sahib, Sheikh Rasheed Sahib, Imran Khan Sahib and the PM's office.
16:49We never fired a single bullet.
16:51Not a single person was shot.
16:53Tell me that in our three and a half years, we have put people in jail or killed them.
17:00Did you talk about TLB?
17:02Many friends of TLB share videos like this.
17:05What did you say to the PTI?
17:07You see, this happened in your government.
17:09This is how our people were killed.
17:11They were put in jails.
17:13I understand, Waseem.
17:15You are pointing to a religious party.
17:19It wasn't in Islamabad.
17:21It wasn't in Islamabad or D-Chowk.
17:23There was a lot of excess in Punjab at that time.
17:25Then Imran Khan Sahib appointed me, Asad Qaisar Sahib and Shah Mehmood Qureshi Sahib.
17:31The committee appointed me.
17:33I went to Lahore many times.
17:35The head of the Chief Secretaries of Punjab, Hussain Sardar, came to Lahore.
17:40We used to coordinate with the Ministry.
17:43We used to meet with Saad Ridhi Sahib.
17:45By the grace of Allah, we helped the Jhelum Bridge, the Rangers and TLB.
17:51Allah helped us.
17:53Not a single bullet went to the Jhelum Bridge.
17:55There was excess in Lahore.
17:57I agree with him.
17:59The TLB came to Islamabad.
18:01We followed them.
18:03There was no excess in Lahore or D-Chowk.
18:05A lot of people came.
18:07My point is simple.
18:09But you are not saying that if there is excess in Lahore, it is okay.
18:13What is right is right in Lahore.
18:15What is wrong is wrong in D-Chowk.
18:17Can you say what is happening in Pakistan and Balochistan is right?
18:21Of course not.
18:23It depends.
18:25We have normalized it.
18:27We think that someone died in the tribal belt.
18:29Someone committed suicide at a madrasa.
18:31Some children died.
18:33Or there was an attack at a wedding.
18:35In Balochistan, we don't think of it as news.
18:37For us, news is made when there is something going on in a big city like Lahore or Islamabad.
18:41In your house, in our house, in D-Chowk, right next to the Red Zone,
18:45it has happened that some Pakistanis came who were demanding.
18:49They were not talking about treachery from the country.
18:52They were not making any wrong demands.
18:54They are saying that there should be a law enforcement.
18:56What gift did they get from there?
18:58Bullets.
19:00That is why we are saying that why did they fire the bullets?
19:02And that is why you are saying that if your claim is contrary to the government,
19:04then a judicial commission should be made which will tell.
19:06Fair enough.
19:08Sir, moving on.
19:10I am not telling you to discuss the internal matter.
19:12Tell me who did what on which day.
19:14I am just asking.
19:16This matter is surprising for someone like me.
19:20You will not be surprised to be surprised.
19:22On one hand, you are saying that Gauhar sir is right.
19:24He is the chairman.
19:26He is saying that Khan sir said treachery.
19:28And on the other hand, the same Ali Zafar sir who met Khan sir today.
19:30He is saying the exact opposite.
19:32He is saying that it was a trap.
19:34Khan sir said treachery.
19:36Anyway, it is surprising for someone like me.
19:38To say the least.
19:40I think,
19:42because
19:44when they went inside,
19:46Salman Raja, I was also there.
19:48They did the same thing.
19:50Raja sir,
19:52Gauhar sir,
19:54and Ali Zafar sir were also inside.
19:56They all went inside.
19:58I was with them in the press talk.
20:00Ali Zafar sir was with them when Gauhar sir was saying
20:02that he spoke about treachery to Khan sir.
20:04So,
20:06Gauhar sir spoke about treachery in front of them.
20:08I think,
20:10the chairman,
20:12who has nominated Khan sir,
20:14he said that
20:16Khan sir gave permission for treachery.
20:18But, I will say it again.
20:20There is no point in this debate.
20:22There are two things.
20:24Give me 10-15 seconds.
20:26There are two things.
20:28One,
20:30our Pakistani brothers and sisters,
20:32who are there,
20:34this is not an ordinary incident.
20:36Our Pakistani brothers and sisters
20:38who were martyred there,
20:40there should be an investigation.
20:42And, look at it from another perspective.
20:44Forget that they are workers of Tariq-e-Insaf.
20:46Their responsibility
20:48is more than ours.
20:50All this happened
20:52under the Prime Minister.
20:54A big question for Shahbaz Sharif sir
20:56is that,
20:58in the past,
21:00there was a model town under Shahbaz sir in Punjab.
21:02And now, there is this place under Shahbaz sir.
21:04Shahbaz sir himself should give an investigation
21:06as to why all this is happening under him.
21:08Didn't he get permission?
21:10But, Ali sir,
21:12let me add one more thing.
21:14Either you don't call Shahbaz sir responsible,
21:16or you say that Shahbaz sir is not responsible at all,
21:18and someone else is responsible.
21:20This is a puppet government.
21:22Either you say this or that.
21:24Or, if you consider him responsible,
21:26then you can talk to him.
21:2830-40 minutes ago,
21:30Rana Sanaullah sir said,
21:32I am telling you to talk to me.
21:34He doesn't talk.
21:36So, when Rana Sanaullah sir
21:38asks you to talk to him,
21:40then you say,
21:42you are responsible.
21:44So, please listen to one of these things.
21:48Look,
21:50many people can have different opinions.
21:52I have a continuous opinion.
21:54I say what I feel is right.
21:56And,
21:58I did it on 27th July,
22:00when I was released on the order of
22:02the Peshawar High Court,
22:04and I was bound.
22:06I was arrested seven times.
22:08I did it eight times,
22:10and when I was released on the order of
22:12the Peshawar High Court,
22:14I said that Pakistan does not need
22:16political revenge,
22:18but political retaliation.
22:20And, I am still saying this.
22:22But, you should also convince your party.
22:24Your party's opinion is completely different.
22:26They say, we will not talk to the government.
22:28We will only talk to the army.
22:30But, listen to me.
22:32The biggest leader is Khan.
22:34After Khan, there is no leader in our Jamaat.
22:36The biggest leader in the country is not Khan.
22:38You can object.
22:40Khan does not say this.
22:44You eat a lot of almonds.
22:46Send me a little supply.
22:48But, believe me,
22:50I will be one hand ahead of Badami.
22:52You will be ten hands ahead of me, sir.
22:54I have no competition with you.
22:56But, you will be a hundred hands ahead of me.
22:58You tell me.
23:00Sir, I will tell you.
23:02I will tell you.
23:04I will tell you what I wanted to say.
23:06When I met him for the last time,
23:08coincidentally, Salman Raja and Barrister Gohar
23:10were both there.
23:12Different issues were discussed with Khan.
23:14We also asked about D-Chowk.
23:16Khan said, no, do not tell me the place.
23:18Come to the city.
23:20We will tell you the place after that.
23:22In that meeting,
23:24I asked Khan,
23:26Khan, such an important event is taking place.
23:28If there is a dialogue,
23:30if someone talks to our leadership,
23:32what should be the answer?
23:34Khan said,
23:36Khan said,
23:38Khan said,
23:40Khan said,
23:42Khan said,
23:44Khan said,
23:46Khan said,
23:48Khan said,
23:50Khan said,
23:52Khan said,
23:54Khan said,
23:56Khan said,
23:58Khan said,
24:00Khan said,
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31:58Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
32:00Wa-Alaikum-Assalam.
32:02Sir, thank you very much for taking out time.
32:04First of all, you said that
32:06this will not be successful.
32:08Now, whatever has happened,
32:10will you call it a failure?
32:12And if yes,
32:14who is responsible for it?
32:16Both.
32:18PTI and the government.
32:20Jagan Sai was also there,
32:22and Jagan Sai was there
32:24because of the government.
32:26The way PTI planned
32:28and ruined it,
32:30it seemed that
32:32they were taking it to ruin.
32:34In some way or the other.
32:36So, the government
32:38and PTI did not do
32:40any good for anyone
32:42as a result of this protest?
32:44Yes, not for the country,
32:46but for three reasons.
32:48There was no good for the country,
32:50nor for the government,
32:52nor for PTI.
32:54The result of the plan
32:56was visible at that time.
32:58And the way it was tackled
33:00by the government,
33:02it was so weird
33:04that people were
33:06panicked.
33:08And what people do
33:10in panic,
33:12that was their panic.
33:14Obviously, it was going to harm the country.
33:18Will it be a little difficult
33:20for PTI to get its people out
33:22because of morale
33:24or will it be easier
33:26to get them out?
33:28No,
33:30the trust they had
33:32on their leadership
33:34has also been ruined.
33:36It will be more difficult.
33:38And the calls they are making
33:40on 7th April,
33:42I don't know if it is final or not,
33:44but it will be more harmful
33:46than what they have already done.
33:48So, if they make a call soon,
33:50what mistakes will they make?
33:52Look, it is neither the weather,
33:54nor the environment,
33:56nor have they prepared,
33:58nor do they have the capacity.
34:00And apparently,
34:02it doesn't seem possible
34:04for PTI and Maulana
34:06to get Maulana's support
34:08on the streets.
34:12If I am among those
34:14who have to decide,
34:16which I am not,
34:18then I will not
34:20meet PTI.
34:22Because PTI,
34:2415 minutes ago,
34:26when you were talking
34:28about their intentions,
34:30they were praising you.
34:32And when they don't have
34:34any intentions,
34:36they are criticizing you.
34:38So, it is better
34:40to maintain a relationship
34:42of respect with them
34:44with a distance.
34:46Was there a dialogue
34:48or understanding
34:50with the institutions
34:52regarding Ali Ameen
34:54or Begum Sahiba?
34:56Ali Ameen was being
34:58contacted from the beginning.
35:00Begum Sahiba,
35:02when she was given
35:04a safe passage,
35:06she was contacted
35:08when they left together.
35:10Interestingly,
35:12Maulana has started
35:14delaying all the
35:16things related to
35:18the 26th Amendment.
35:20He has started
35:22delaying all the
35:24things related to
35:26the 26th Amendment.
35:28If we had come,
35:30we would not have
35:32come in this way.
35:34There is a lot of
35:36calm and understanding
35:38and we come
35:40with a plan.
35:42We are feeling
35:44it and it is getting cooked.
35:46Whatever he did with us,
35:48he lied by planning
35:50and deceiving us.
35:52The 26th Amendment
35:54which was stuck
35:56had four or five things.
35:58We did not believe it.
36:00But the related things
36:02were passed by both
36:04the houses.
36:06Bilawal's father
36:08stopped him.
36:10There was no progress
36:12on the Waqf-e-Milad
36:14in Islamabad.
36:16No one asked
36:18about it.
36:20No one asked
36:22about the legislation
36:24after that.
36:26Come and sit
36:28before we
36:30exercise our rights.
36:32You feel betrayed.
36:34You feel betrayed.
36:36You feel betrayed.
36:38If the government
36:40comes to you again,
36:42will you think about it?
36:46I knew
36:48that
36:50they would not
36:52speak the truth.
36:54But it was
36:56our decision
36:58and we followed it.
37:00Ultimately,
37:02what was in our mind,
37:04it was proved.
37:06It was not ideal
37:08to support.
37:10We cannot say it was ideal.
37:14Look at where it started.
37:16In the 56 clauses,
37:18we were destroying
37:20the fundamental rights.
37:22We were putting the courts on the courts.
37:24We were diluting it.
37:26We saw our strength
37:28and kept the
37:30Parliament in mind.
37:32We brought
37:34as much as we could.
37:36But we did not
37:38complete
37:40what was decided.
37:42Last question.
37:44Mr. Faisal Wawda met
37:46Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
37:48a few hours ago.
37:50He said that Mr. Khan's life is in danger.
37:52I will not let this happen.
37:54I will protect Mr. Khan's life.
37:56I met Mr. Bilawal for this purpose.
37:58Now I will meet Mr. Wawda.
38:00It will be a beautiful scene.
38:02Mr. Wawda is
38:04a respected person.
38:06He is a colleague of ours.
38:08But I think
38:10he is getting
38:12vibes from above.
38:14His feelings have reached him.
38:16Now this exercise is starting.
38:18Is Mr. Wawda's door open
38:20for Mr. Wawda as well?
38:22Yes, absolutely.
38:24Mr. Wawda ran out of tea leaves
38:26in 5 weeks.
38:28Has he come again to serve the stock?
38:30I told him
38:32to order more.
38:36Has the stock arrived?
38:38Yes, it has.
38:40Thank you very much.
38:42We will be back after a short break.
38:52Welcome.
38:54In the last segment,
38:56Mr. Faisal Wawda
38:58met Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Daddari.
39:00We have asked Mr. Faisal Wawda
39:02who is with us
39:04to talk to him.
39:06Mr. Faisal, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
39:08Walaikum-as-salam.
39:10First of all,
39:12I asked Mr. Wawda
39:14to meet Mr. Maulana.
39:16He said that his heart, doors,
39:18tea, everything is ready
39:20for Mr. Wawda.
39:22Mr. Wawda's brother
39:24and I
39:26have a very strong
39:28relationship with Mr. Kamran Udta.
39:30And Mr. Maulana,
39:32I am not
39:34his actor.
39:36I am his fan.
39:38I have been a big fan of him
39:40since he put down the PTI.
39:42He did not let your government
39:44do many things
39:46that it wanted to do.
39:48I am neither the government
39:50nor am I a part of it.
39:52Why do you keep pushing me?
39:54Your government means my government.
39:56There is a government.
39:58This is a fact.
40:00It is the government of the day.
40:02Your government is the government of Pakistan.
40:04Obviously, I am not a part of it.
40:06So,
40:08you actually intend to meet him
40:10very soon, Mr. Maulana?
40:12Look, Mr. Badami,
40:14the biggest issue
40:16is that
40:18he is the chairman of a party.
40:20He is a young man.
40:22He is a very strong,
40:24positive and productive politician.
40:26There is no
40:28stain on him.
40:30He is a democrat.
40:32He is a well-educated foreign minister.
40:34He is presentable.
40:36He speaks English.
40:38And most importantly,
40:40when we talk about the politics of the country,
40:42the governance and government issues,
40:44the development related to Sindh,
40:46there is a very important point
40:48that I have made related to Mr. Khan.
40:50And you should know that
40:52all the sacrifices he has made,
40:54in his home,
40:56in his mother's martyrdom,
40:58in his grandfather's martyrdom,
41:00in his uncle's martyrdom,
41:02for democracy.
41:04So, he can understand that
41:06I want to tell him this part
41:08where there were so many discussions.
41:10There is a political threat to
41:12Mr. Imran Khan's life.
41:14His wife and his
41:16compromised people
41:18want to take him away.
41:20And this is my concern.
41:22So, what did Mr. Bilawal say?
41:24Mr. Bilawal will have the same concern
41:26that a person should have.
41:28He is concerned that
41:30he should not play with someone's life.
41:32No matter who his beneficiary is.
41:34But by and large,
41:36there were so many issues.
41:38There was a discussion about it.
41:40I have told everyone that
41:42I don't want anything from Mr. Khan
41:44or from his party.
41:46Aren't you going to join
41:48Mr. Bilawal's party?
41:50What are you saying, sir?
41:52Aren't you going to join Mr. Bilawal's party?
41:54Sir, the day I join Mr. Bilawal's party,
41:56I will tell you.
41:58It is not an Indian party.
42:00It is a Pakistani party.
42:02And it is a good democratic party.
42:04It is not an Algerian party.
42:06No, now the Algerian party is working.
42:08It is doing better than Algeria.
42:10Anyway...
42:12But you...
42:14Look, the life of Mr. Imran Khan,
42:16which is in danger
42:18from his wife and his followers,
42:20for that I will have to go
42:22to Mr. Maulana.
42:24I will have to go to Mr. Zardari.
42:26I will have to go internationally.
42:28I will have to go to the government.
42:30I will have to go to join someone's hands and feet.
42:32I will go because I will not let
42:34their dead bodies be politicized.
42:36And Mr. Imran Khan and I
42:38only had differences
42:40on the politics of violence.
42:42I wanted to save him from these people.
42:44And I wanted to save him from these people
42:46who have brought him on this track.
42:48Even today, you see,
42:50he said a positive thing
42:52that he should talk to the government
42:54and he should talk to the government.
42:56And it was very good.
42:58Then Jibran Nasir tweeted against it.
43:00So all these people
43:02who are making Kasim Suri
43:04Mr. Imran Khan a madman,
43:06his wife is creating destruction
43:08for him,
43:10he has come out to compromise.
43:12Today you are saying that Bushra Bibi
43:14is ruining everything.
43:16Mr. Imran Khan is a good man.
43:18He is an innocent man.
43:20I had said that the compromise
43:22that he has made
43:24with Waheed is fine.
43:26If he comes out of that line,
43:28then he will be arrested.
43:30If there was a deal,
43:32then he violated it.
43:34To violate it,
43:36he has to save Pakistan.
43:38When Saudi Arabia,
43:40which is our brother country,
43:42which has stood up for us
43:44at every difficult time,
43:46they put such a disgusting
43:48and disgusting allegation
43:50that they are ending the Shariah.
43:52It was such a dangerous statement.
43:54If they had any worth,
43:56then after that,
43:58you think that
44:00that country is sincere.
44:02This is a very simple thing.
44:04Gandapur is not compromised.
44:06All of them were innocent.
44:08All of them were in the triangle.
44:10And to do violence,
44:12he sent people forward.
44:14He left the poor innocent people.
44:16He didn't have to come to T-Chowk.
44:18Why did he leave them?
44:20If Bushra Bibi is a real culprit,
44:22then why wasn't he arrested
44:24in the raid on 24th?
44:26We will do it.
44:28Some things will be exposed
44:30by Mr. Gandapur.
44:32He also said that
44:34Mr. Rawal has given many statements
44:36against the government.
44:38Do you think that
44:40the People's Party
44:42is a threat to the system?
44:44I haven't joined the party yet,
44:46so I am not a supporter of it.
44:48You have also criticized the PTI,
44:50although you have not joined it yet.
44:52I have criticized it.
44:54There are some things
44:56that the people,
44:58the people of Waheed,
45:00should do and the government will do.
45:02He is a democratic chairman
45:04and a democratic leader.
45:06He will do it.
45:08I am a host,
45:10so I should not comment.
45:12But I will comment.
45:14I think Mr. Bilawal
45:16will keep giving statements,
45:18but the People's Party
45:20is not a threat to the system.
45:22On the contrary, Mr. Zardari
45:24is a supporter of this system.
45:26Is my comment correct?
45:28There is disagreement
45:30that the threat to the government
45:32is a threat to the government itself.
45:34There is no threat to the government.
45:38The government is not a threat
45:40to the courts,
45:42to the establishment,
45:44to the people,
45:46to the political party.
45:48It is a threat to itself.
45:50It has the ability
45:52to do this work.
45:54So be satisfied.
45:56But sir,
45:58what the PTI did on 24th November,
46:00whether it was the martyrdom of one person,
46:02of a worker, of a ranger, or of a police,
46:04it is an atrocity,
46:06that you kill one person
46:08for your extremism,
46:10through mischief, through violence.
46:12Why? Is the propaganda false?
46:14There is no burial item,
46:16no inheritance, no death certificate,
46:18no birth certificate,
46:20no coffin, no graves,
46:22no video. If you run a 2019 video
46:24then it will be propaganda.
46:26This propaganda has destroyed Imran Khan.
46:28He has done a press conference.
46:30Tell us his name, his address,
46:32his Twitter account,
46:34his name, his picture, his videos.
46:36He has created a lot of chaos on Twitter.
46:38He has wrapped up the army and the court.
46:40Everything has been wrapped up.
46:42The PTI Marshall Law is now
46:44taking over Pakistan.
46:46You should enjoy his propaganda campaign.
46:48He is driving people crazy.
46:50Is it okay that not a single PTI person
46:52has been killed?
46:54Look, there should be clarity
46:56that this is propaganda,
46:58that the police and the rangers have
47:00dropped the bodies.
47:02I think this is a very criminal act.
47:04The police and the rangers
47:06should be ashamed of it.
47:08I think the police and the rangers
47:10should be given the credit
47:12that they have ended
47:14violence and protests
47:16with sticks and tear gas.
47:18We should all give them this credit.
47:20Hmm.
47:44Do you have any reason to believe
47:46that he is factually correct?
47:48I have no reason to believe
47:50anything.
47:52Whether it's good, whether it's bad,
47:54whether it's positive, whether it's negative.
47:56So I don't believe anything.
47:58I have lost trust in this government.
48:00I have lost trust in this system
48:02for a long time.
48:04These expired and shelved people,
48:06including everyone,
48:08they should get new blood and a new plant.
48:10Give others a chance.
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48:14and stop playing with the country.
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