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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:15Approximately 10 days ago, a new political turn took place.
00:20On 24th November, there is going to be a final call.
00:23It was almost at this time, approximately 20 hours ago,
00:28When we are talking to you now, the roads of Darul Hukumat are empty.
00:33It is peaceful.
00:34And the Minister of Interior has assured us that Pakistan is back to normal.
00:41Just a reminder, let's quickly recap.
00:43Let me remind you what the leaders of Pakistan's justice movement were saying about this protest.
00:51That this protest is such a final call.
00:54And there is no way we can go back.
00:58Take a look at the statements of the PTI leaders a few days ago.
01:05When we leave our homes, we will tell our families
01:10that if we don't die, we will die.
01:14We will not come back until we release Imran Khan.
01:19You have to sit until the political workers are released.
01:25The date can only be changed on one condition.
01:28Khan should come out and give the people the next line of action.
01:33We have come out to die.
01:34You are firing at us.
01:36Kill us.
01:37Revolution or death.
01:39Until we get Khan, we will not end this march.
01:44I will stand my ground.
01:48You have to support me.
01:50Even if you don't, I will stand my ground.
01:55When we are talking to you,
01:57the PTI workers are very angry with the government.
02:05But they are also angry with their own leaders.
02:08One is that a lot of leadership did not come.
02:11You yourself said that we will die if we don't go.
02:15Then why did you go?
02:17But there is another development.
02:19Bushra Bibi Sahiba said that she will not leave.
02:23Even if everyone leaves, she will not leave.
02:25She has not been seen since last night.
02:28Bushra Bibi Sahiba has not been seen at all.
02:31Her sister, Mariam Sahiba, who lives in Dubai,
02:35said in Malik's show that Bushra Bibi Sahiba has been kept in custody.
02:41Bushra Bibi Sahiba is in KP.
02:43She is with the government.
02:44She is with Imran Khan and PTI.
02:46She says that Bushra Bibi Sahiba cannot move independently.
02:51She is banned from copying.
02:54She is not even able to contact her.
02:56Her telephones are also switched off.
02:57When I contacted her, she told me that
03:01Bushra Bibi Sahiba's sister told me that
03:04she did not want to leave yesterday.
03:06She was forced to leave Islamabad.
03:09Today, when Ali Amin Gandapur Sahab held a press conference,
03:12Bushra Bibi's sister said that she did not know which press conference.
03:16People were asking why Bushra Bibi did not come to this press conference.
03:19According to Bushra Bibi, or according to her sister,
03:22Bushra Bibi said that she did not know which press conference.
03:24And she is still not able to contact her.
03:26This story has taken a new and strange turn.
03:29We will try to take an official stance on Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:34When Gandapur Sahab came yesterday and today,
03:37he said that the protest is still going on.
03:42But it is not necessary that there are people in the protest.
03:44See what he said.
03:46It is not necessary that there are people in the protest.
03:49They shot people.
03:50This protest is still going on.
03:52It is still going on.
03:54It is still going on.
03:56The protest is still going on.
03:58Now, the whole matter is very serious.
04:01Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is saying that
04:03you were able to clear the protest because you shot straight bullets.
04:07Obviously, when a person is shot straight, he does not survive.
04:10Then people fall.
04:11Then there are dead bodies.
04:12Then people are martyred.
04:14Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is saying that you shot straight bullets
04:17and our people were martyred.
04:20Interestingly, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf did not give any final number to this question.
04:24Somewhere 8, somewhere 100.
04:26This is the difference.
04:28On one hand, PTI is claiming that
04:30some people are saying that 8 people were killed.
04:33Some people are saying that more than 100 people were killed.
04:36The government is not handing over the dead bodies.
04:38And the government is challenging that
04:40if there is such a thing, then who is the person?
04:42His funeral, his picture, his body, his name, everything.
04:46So, Atta Talhar and Mohsin Naqvi
04:49are challenging them on this claim of PTI.
04:54In WhatsApp groups and on social media platforms,
04:56Tariq-e-Insaf was promoting that the dead bodies have fallen.
05:00Look at this.
05:01I strongly object to the fact that the dead bodies are falling.
05:03Give proof of that.
05:04Tell me where is the post-mortem report?
05:06You will have to prove it.
05:07We have shown the CCTV footage.
05:08Now they are not getting any way to hide their shame.
05:12I am challenging them again that
05:15inform me that if such a person has been killed or something like that,
05:19then at least tell us.
05:21Tell us who has been killed, who has been killed, what has been killed.
05:24Tell us the details.
05:25We were making footage in all your cameras and mobiles.
05:29Tell us the footage of the firing.
05:30Tell us something.
05:31At least tell us something.
05:33On one hand, this is a big issue,
05:35in which a lot of questions arise.
05:36And we will ask this now.
05:37Mr. Rahul Fasan is with us.
05:39He is the Chief Executive Officer of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:41Another issue is that
05:42these are good, special leaders of PTI.
05:45Because they were not seen yesterday.
05:47They were not seen yesterday.
05:48They were not seen yesterday.
05:49Yesterday, Salman Akhund Rai Sahib was not seen on the container.
05:52Ali Mohammad Khan Sahib was not seen.
05:55Ali Zafar Sahib was not seen.
05:57How many other leaders are there?
05:58We will ask Mr. Rahul Fasan.
06:00He was not seen.
06:01The employees of PTI are also upset about this.
06:05If we can show that
06:06Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai himself
06:08expressed his surprise in such a powerful way
06:11and as a collective,
06:13he criticized this policy a lot,
06:15the policy of his own party.
06:17Let's see what Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai,
06:19a senior member of PTI, has to say.
06:47We should have resigned our leadership from there.
06:49Ms. Musha will not have any party office.
06:52They should not come to decision making.
06:54We understand PTI, but we are unauthorized PTI.
06:57They don't listen to us,
06:58we are not politicians.
06:59They should just fire us.
07:01Now this is the situation
07:03on which the workers of PTI
07:05are questioning the leaders.
07:07And this is the situation
07:08on which the opposition of PTI,
07:09that is, Noon League also criticizes PTI
07:11and makes a joke of where the leaders are.
07:14You heard from Mr. Shaukat Yusufzai
07:16Where was Gauhar, Salman and Falas?
07:18This is what Azma Bukhari Sahiba is also saying.
07:21Azma Bukhari Sahiba said this.
07:38Now when this question was asked by Sheikh Baqaat Akram,
07:40who was the Secretary of Information,
07:43he said that we will investigate this.
07:45And those who didn't come even after yesterday's call from Khan,
07:50what does that have to do with us?
07:51They can go to hell.
07:52He is not the Secretary of Information or PTI.
08:15No one else was given this freedom.
08:18Those who didn't come even after Imran Khan's call,
08:20they can go to hell.
08:22What can we do about them?
08:23Imran Khan had already said that he has no connection with them.
08:28What can we do about going to hell?
08:30And in all these circumstances,
08:31how confident is the government
08:34that the establishment, army chief,
08:36the army, everyone is standing with them?
08:38Or you see in these words,
08:39before I take some questions from Mr. Mahbub Hasan,
08:42that Mr. Shahbaz Sharif is very excited and confident today.
08:45He says that the army chief has already supported us a lot in all these matters.
08:50The commander-in-chief also supported us a lot yesterday.
08:51He said that this has happened for the first time in history.
08:54This has happened for the first time in history.
08:56That the relationship between the government and the army chief is such,
08:58there is a saying in Urdu,
08:59which he said to Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
09:01one life, two deaths.
09:02We are only one.
09:03In reality, both are one.
09:05What did Mr. Shahbaz Sharif say?
09:12This too, and in the past too.
09:14This time, especially,
09:16he fully supported us, fully helped us.
09:19And by the grace of Allah,
09:22this rebellion, this uprising,
09:25against his own Dar-ul-Khilafah,
09:28he died last night.
09:30For the first time in history,
09:33our army commanders,
09:35they are united like this, one life, two deaths.
09:39Without them, this could not have happened.
09:43This is the whole story.
09:45He is the head of the Pakistan Jurisprudence Policy Think Tank.
09:48Mr. Rauf Hassan,
09:49we have a lot of questions to ask about PTI.
09:52We will present them to him.
09:54Huzoor-e-Wala, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:56Wa-alaikum-as-salam, Mr. Badami, how are you?
09:59Sir, Alhamdulillah, I hope you are fine.
10:01Thank you very much for taking out the time.
10:03Frankly speaking, what can I say?
10:06Surprised, disappointed?
10:10Mr. Badami, I was in another program just now
10:12and I have a few lines of Faisal's poem on my mind.
10:16I would like to say it in front of you as well,
10:18if you allow me.
10:20Please.
10:20He has a very famous poem in which he writes that
10:25a traveler does not have the mind of a traveler anymore.
10:32This time is a broken chain of day and night.
10:38It is a time of mourning.
10:41So, let us mourn for this time,
10:44that you and I are alive in this time
10:47and we have seen the state turn into a murderer.
10:50There is motherhood,
10:52there is motherhood,
10:53there is motherhood, there is motherhood,
10:55but what happened last night,
10:57I do not have the words to describe it.
11:01So, I thought I would tell you a few lines of Mr. Faisal's poem.
11:05Okay, I got the answer to my question.
11:08I asked you if you were disappointed or not,
11:09so I got the answer.
11:11Okay, sir, it is obvious.
11:11Now, your answer is also very clear
11:13and the PTI is also saying that
11:15the government has caused a lot of loss of life
11:17by demonstrating barbarism.
11:19And the government is standing in front of it
11:21with a completely contrasting stance.
11:23In which the Minister of Internal Affairs says,
11:25brother, tell me who has lost their life.
11:27Portraits, funerals, where?
11:29So, sir, you tell me about the PTI.
11:31Because, sir, some of your people are saying that
11:32more than a hundred people,
11:34God forbid, the news is completely wrong.
11:35Obviously, I am sure you would also want the news to be wrong.
11:38But if God forbid,
11:39a hundred people or even half of them,
11:41then their funerals, funerals,
11:43portraits, all that will be barbaric.
11:46So, will you tell us something about this?
11:49Look, our people, we have a lot of information,
11:52but I will not tell you the numbers right now, Mr. Badami,
11:55because I do not want to say anything wrong.
11:57And I share this prayer of yours,
12:00that God forbid, our information is wrong.
12:03Because no one is happy about someone's death,
12:06nor should they be.
12:08But the problem is, Mr. Badami,
12:11that how will we know our access?
12:13That who died and who is injured,
12:17what is the nature of their injuries?
12:19Either from PIMS or from polyclinic.
12:22Both are from the hospital government
12:23and a lot of our people have gone there
12:26and no kind of information is being provided to them,
12:29nor is any promise being made to them.
12:31In fact, the registers in the OPD,
12:33where the incoming and outgoing is registered,
12:36you must know, those registers are also not present.
12:39They have also been taken into custody by the government.
12:41There is no source of information.
12:43That is why it is taking a lot of time
12:45to compile a final figure.
12:47Sir, this means, it is safe to assume
12:50that at least you have 100 such people
12:53who are claiming that our relatives, our loved ones
12:57are in this world or not, we do not know,
12:59because the hospital does not answer.
13:00There must be at least 100 such people, right?
13:02The information that I am providing to you
13:05is from our PTI team
13:08and I am sharing my experience with you.
13:12I am telling you again, Mr. Badami,
13:13that I do not want any figure to come out of my mouth.
13:17Because I do not have a certified figure yet.
13:19According to the information that has come,
13:22a lot of people have died
13:23and a lot of people are currently injured in hospitals.
13:28But it is not possible to get access to that data.
13:31We are trying.
13:32In the next 1-2 days, we will definitely get it.
13:34Sir, you are saying that the government
13:36has blocked access to the information
13:38and that is why you cannot give an official number.
13:41Fair enough.
13:42But, of course, the lawyers will contact the PTI immediately.
13:45So, the PTI can tell that there are so many people in front of us
13:48whose names are there,
13:49who are saying that they do not know where their relatives are.
13:52The government does not tell.
13:53The PTI cannot give that number, right?
13:56The data that some people have shared with us,
13:58they are saying that the names of about 26-27 people,
14:01the deaths are confirmed.
14:04They will also give us the data.
14:05We will counter-check that.
14:07We will talk to those people ourselves.
14:08Today, we had a meeting of our political committee.
14:11In that, it has been decided that the party will check itself.
14:14A sub-committee has been formed in the party.
14:16These people have been assigned this responsibility.
14:19After checking this,
14:21the final data that will be confirmed with us,
14:23we will share it with the media.
14:26You are saying that who has given this figure of 26-27?
14:29These are the members of our party,
14:32who are on the grassroots,
14:35they have told us.
14:36Sir, confirming this is not a very time-taking process, right?
14:39You are saying that we are in the committee.
14:40This is within us.
14:42Okay, this is such and such person.
14:43Who is his brother?
14:44Let us ask him.
14:45And then you tell us.
14:46Put it on social media.
14:48That Mr. A's brother is missing.
14:49Mr. B's son is missing.
14:52Mr. Badami, if we had known their data,
14:54we would have found out in a minute.
14:55We don't even know where this person has come from,
14:58or where he has not come from.
14:59We don't have their data.
15:00It is taking time to recognize them.
15:03If we get to know their faces,
15:04then we can access them,
15:06we can talk to their people.
15:07Now we are just depending on people to talk to us,
15:10to contact our people.
15:11After that, we will get to know.
15:13That is why it is taking more time.
15:14And people have not talked to Alavaikin yet,
15:16in large numbers.
15:17They have not contacted the party.
15:17Now the party is waiting for him.
15:19They are doing it, you are doing it.
15:21That is why the data compilation has started.
15:24In the next 24 hours,
15:26or in the near future,
15:28we will be in a position to share the data with you.
15:32Moving forward, sir,
15:34do you think that Punjab,
15:36I am specifically asking about Punjab,
15:38despite keeping in mind the government's restrictions,
15:42do you think that the numbers from Punjab were satisfactory?
15:45Were they at least as expected?
15:48Look, I don't know how Punjab was in Karachi,
15:52what information has been provided about it.
15:54Karachi, Lahore,
15:56and other cities of Punjab,
15:58the total province was in lockdown.
16:01And the condition of Lahore was such that
16:03they had placed containers on the corners of the streets.
16:06No living thing could move there.
16:10They had closed the bridges,
16:12they had closed Ravi,
16:14they had closed Chenab,
16:15they had closed Chelum,
16:16they had closed the motorways,
16:18they had closed the expressways,
16:21they had closed the main roads,
16:23they had closed the arteries,
16:25they had dug ditches there.
16:27How much more will you build?
16:29Despite that, our people have left from there,
16:31they have left in small groups,
16:33they have reached here,
16:35and today we got to know from there
16:37that a lot of people have left,
16:39but unfortunately,
16:41the incident that took place last night,
16:43I think it will be counterproductive for them to reach here.
16:45When the party decides to move forward,
16:47I think only after that
16:49will we be able to give instructions
16:51to our workers
16:53that if they come, if they don't come,
16:55when they should come.
16:57You know that on your social media,
16:59a lot of your party's workers
17:01are surprised, worried, and in shock.
17:03And they are taking the names of the leaders
17:05and saying,
17:07where were all these people?
17:09Why didn't we see anyone yesterday?
17:11Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib,
17:13who is the secretary of Talat,
17:15has said on record that I am the only random person
17:18and you have to inform the media
17:20that if there was no random person
17:22apart from me,
17:24then he has nothing to do with the party.
17:26He went to the extent of saying
17:28that even after Khan's call,
17:30if he didn't come out yesterday,
17:32then he should go to hell.
17:34Mr. Badami,
17:36there has been a discussion about this today
17:38and an inquiry will be done
17:40and it will be seen
17:42which party leaders were present
17:44and which were not.
17:46If God willing, a decision is made.
17:48Did you participate yesterday?
17:50No, I didn't.
17:52Mr. Badami, I don't go to political rallies
17:54because
17:56I do the rest of the work
17:58of the party.
18:02Sometimes I go,
18:04but I wasn't present in yesterday's rally.
18:08So, the supporters of the party
18:10should be angry.
18:12Should they be angry with you as well?
18:15No, I think they know
18:17that I don't have the time
18:19to participate in such rallies
18:21as was the case
18:23with Mr. Sheikh.
18:27Are you surprised by the fact
18:29that not just anyone,
18:31but the people who met
18:33with Mr. Khan yesterday,
18:35but the people who are in the most
18:37in touch with Mr. Khan
18:39on the 24th of November
18:41are saying on record
18:43that they will sit down
18:45with Mr. Khan
18:47and if Bushra Bibi doesn't agree
18:49then we will go to D-Chowk.
18:51Is this surprising to you?
18:53My information is that
18:55Mr. Khan did not agree
18:57on Sanjani.
18:59The second visit of Mr. Gautam
19:01was done to convince him
19:03to agree on Sanjani,
19:05but even after the second visit
19:07he did not agree.
19:09So, Mr. Saif is quoting Mr. Khan
19:12I will not say that
19:14he did not agree
19:16on Sanjani.
19:18I have shared my information
19:20with you.
19:22What exactly happened yesterday?
19:24If I tell you the summary
19:26of a lot of videos
19:28and the conversations
19:30with the reporters
19:32that were there yesterday,
19:34the caravan kept moving
19:36and Mr. Bushra said
19:38that we will go to D-Chowk
19:40and the container also stopped.
19:42If D-Chowk was the destination,
19:44why did the container stop
19:46near St. Horace?
19:48It kept stopping for hours
19:50and then finally the operation was done.
19:52The whole day yesterday
19:54Mr. Saif was trying
19:56to convince us
19:58that the government
20:00had offered us an alternate site
20:02but keeping the objectives
20:04of the rally in mind
20:06we decided that
20:09Sanjani is not an appropriate place
20:11and if we go there
20:13then our purpose of this rally
20:15will be defeated
20:17and we will not be able
20:19to achieve that.
20:21Consequently, the majority
20:23of people said
20:25that we will not go to Sanjani.
20:27We also decided
20:29not to go to D-Chowk
20:31and we said that
20:33we will enter Islamabad
20:35and stop the rally.
20:37You are also talking about it
20:39but what happened after that
20:41and how did the rally enter Islamabad?
20:43We will enquire about it
20:45and will be able to decide
20:47the definitive reasons for it.
20:51And it so happened
20:53that the rally
20:55went towards D-Chowk
20:57and we reached there
20:59and many people
21:01also reached D-Chowk.
21:03You said that it was decided
21:06that we will not go to D-Chowk
21:08and we will enter Islamabad
21:10and stop the rally.
21:12Sir, it is absolutely right
21:14that if you say that
21:16there is a rally
21:18then everyone will escape
21:20but if I say this
21:22on the basis of statements
21:24then I am talking
21:26about Mr. Ali Ameen
21:28and my question
21:30is not about the workers
21:32but about Mr. Ameen.
21:34Mr. Ameen, you could have asked
21:36this question
21:38on the basis of your statement
21:40that you would have arrested
21:42but you would not have escaped
21:44even though I would not have
21:46used the word escape
21:48because you were saying
21:50that you will die
21:52but you will not go anywhere.
21:54I did not escape
21:56but I think this word
21:58is not appropriate
22:00and he did this
22:03in his own statement
22:05that he has left
22:07to protect his wife
22:09and the rest of the people
22:11as I said in response
22:13to your question
22:15that we were not expecting
22:17that they would fire
22:19directly on innocent people
22:21but everything happened.
22:23We had a meeting
22:25of our political committee
22:27and we have requested
22:29to make a transparent judicial
22:31inquiry
22:33and find out
22:35who is responsible
22:37and who is responsible
22:39for the massacre.
22:41We put the responsibility
22:43on the interior minister
22:45that he was in command
22:47and he was leading
22:49this massacre.
22:51So a judicial inquiry
22:53should take place
22:55and we have formally
22:57demanded that in today's statement.
23:00In the tweet it is said
23:02that in the evening
23:04the sound system and lights
23:06of the main container
23:08were switched off.
23:10After the sound system
23:12and lights were switched off
23:14the people were not given
23:16any guidance.
23:18We have requested
23:20to switch on the lights
23:22and sound system
23:24in the evening
23:26but we have not received
23:28any guidance.
23:30So basically the lights
23:32were switched off
23:34by the government.
23:36The sound system
23:38will be theirs
23:40and the container will be theirs.
23:42One minute.
23:44After the lights were switched off
23:46we got the answer
23:48to the question
23:50of why the lights were switched off.
23:52But in this tweet
23:54it is said that
23:57if the sound system
23:59of the container was switched off
24:01then the government
24:03would not have switched it off.
24:05Look, Alima Sahiba has every right
24:07to ask questions
24:09to the activists
24:11and we will find the answers
24:13to these questions
24:15but we need time
24:17and when we are ready
24:19then if we have to take
24:21any internal action
24:23within the party
24:26then the party will take steps
24:28but right now
24:30our own people
24:32have the right
24:34to talk to us
24:36and complain to us.
24:38We have done this before
24:40and are still doing it
24:42and will do it again.
24:44Towards the end
24:46in your own words
24:48you have said in our show
24:50that the workers are so angry
24:52that they are ready
24:54to go and complain
24:56to the government
24:58and the party.
25:00Yes, many workers
25:02are angry
25:04and the party is angry
25:06and we have discussed
25:08this in the political committee
25:10and we will take
25:12remedial measures
25:14to reduce their anger
25:16and if there
25:18are any weaknesses
25:20then we will try
25:23to improve
25:25but
25:27in today's show
25:29we have said
25:31that the movement
25:33has not stopped
25:35and will continue
25:37and we will have
25:39another meeting
25:41and then we will decide
25:43what to do.
25:45Sir, my last question
25:47you are expecting
25:49that the government
25:51see
25:57our people are being arrested
25:59our people are being arrested
26:01cases are being filed against them
26:03everything is happening
26:05but I do not give importance
26:07to what Mr. Wada has said
26:09I will ask you a general question
26:11are you getting signs
26:13that the party is being restricted?
26:15We have been listening for a long time
26:17when the matter will be revealed
26:20we have a recourse
26:22the courts are present
26:24we will go and fight our case
26:26Thank you very much sir
26:28for your time
26:30I would like to welcome you
26:32you have heard the conversation
26:34with Mr. Rohit Prasad
26:36many questions are arising
26:38one is this incident
26:40how many people have lost their lives
26:42and
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26:48it is sad
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