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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16As we speak, Islamabad is now in darkness.
00:19All areas in and around, our blue area, D-Chowk area, F-6, F-7, street lights are off, darkness
00:28is everywhere.
00:29All commercial and private buildings, they have no lights outside.
00:33And the impression is that maybe there will be an operation tonight, a big operation.
00:38But my information is that this operation will not take place today, it will take place tomorrow.
00:42Tomorrow afternoon, at 2 o'clock, the president of Belarus is going back, so it will be postponed
00:49till tomorrow.
00:50But maybe, but this is the news at the moment.
00:53Do you remember yesterday, I gave the news at 11 o'clock.
00:56Today the situation is very serious in Islamabad.
00:58Shoot to kill orders have been given, the army has been deployed and they have been
01:03allowed to shoot.
01:04If there is a crime, if there is a riot, then there are orders to shoot to kill.
01:09These orders are in a very extreme situation and especially for the army and the rangers,
01:15these orders are not ordinary.
01:18What has happened in the last 24 hours, especially that everything has changed so much.
01:23First, let me talk about yesterday.
01:25I shared a news with you at about 5 o'clock that a government offer has come to him that
01:30you go to Sanjani, sit there and then there were two or three more things in it.
01:36It also said that a political action committee will be formed and the prisoners, which Mr.
01:42Khan had kept as a condition, that my first condition is that the top priority is that
01:46all our political prisoners should be released and small cases of wrong death should be made.
01:52They were told that they will be released phase-wise and Dr. Yasmeen Rashid and all
01:57the women were also included in it.
02:00Then what happened?
02:01Suddenly, the statements you have heard today from the Interior Minister, the Information
02:06Minister, they said that today a high-profile meeting has been held headed by the Prime
02:10Minister and a clear decision has been made that there will be no negotiations.
02:15In fact, today again we have seen and heard protests and they are standing in front of
02:20the container, not behind the container.
02:22Anyway, we were seeing this language earlier too, when they said that no one will come
02:25beyond the Attock.
02:26Then from the Attock, they have now come to the Blue Area and are now at China Chowk,
02:30which will be hardly half a kilometer, which is the main D-Chowk.
02:34But anyway, but then all these things of Sanjani were confirmed.
02:39First of all, listen and this too, so that on the basis of that news, which was our
02:44100% and dot news yesterday, I will share one more news with you today.
02:50My message is that they have gone and the doors of Diyala will open again tonight.
02:55The message is that they have been given a message that you see, the shower mode is
03:00very difficult, you people sit in Sanjani, give your full protest and a political action
03:06committee will also be formed and there can be a lot of face-off on the issue of Asiran.
03:11But it has been told to them that this is the message of the intelligence agencies,
03:16that we have confirmed information about some people who are announcers and some who are
03:22Afghan terrorists and it may also be that there is a target operation and those who
03:29are in that crowd, some intelligence agencies or take them or if they resist, then you
03:35may get 2-3 dead bodies in the next 1-2 days that these are the terrorists who have been
03:41killed and after that the matter will go very high.
03:44Consequences are being told that there is information about some people who are in that
03:49crowd.
03:50There was a 16-year-old boy, when I asked him that brother, where have you come from?
03:54When he answered in Pashto, people were present with me, he translated, then he came from
03:58Afghanistan.
03:59These are Afghan citizens, these are Sharapasand, whom you have put forward, they are record
04:03people.
04:04I have checked one's ID, he found out that he is involved in robberies in Islamabad.
04:07We told them in Sanjani that you go there so that there are no clashes etc.
04:12In this regard, they went to jail twice and also met.
04:15My information is that they got approval from there too.
04:18We have not received its final answer yet.
04:21But I think that if there is any leadership above Imran Khan who has refused to agree,
04:25I do not know.
04:26Sanjani's request was from the government to do it there.
04:31Mr. Khan agreed to do it in Sanjani.
04:34There is a protest to be held there.
04:37He could not act in that way.
04:39On their behalf, this proposal came that you hold a meeting in Islamabad, we can consider
04:44giving you permission.
04:45Then we took that proposal to Mr. Khan and after discussion with Mr. Khan, he expressed
04:51his readiness that we are ready to do it there.
04:55But Bhusra Bibi said that she will go to D-Chowk and people have to sit there.
05:03She said...
05:07Whatever we said, the people of the government and Barrister Saif confirmed it.
05:13Then today, the Interior Minister used very harsh language and now he has made everything
05:19public.
05:20Three Rangers were killed, a police officer was killed when a car hit him.
05:24Bhusra Bibi was blamed for that.
05:27Listen to what she said.
05:30One thing should be clear to them.
05:32Neither will there be any negotiations with them nor will there be any negotiations with
05:37them.
05:38They had to come and see.
05:39They saw it.
05:40Now if they expect that there will be negotiations with them, there is no way.
05:44Today, when the PM met, there was a very clear cut.
05:47The PM's decision, the government's decision is that there will be no negotiations with
05:51them.
05:52The personal loss, the financial loss that has been happening in the past two days,
05:57a woman is responsible for it.
06:00She is wholly responsible.
06:02She is behind all this chaos.
06:05Whatever is possible, we will work on it.
06:09This is a very scary political curve.
06:14Do you remember?
06:15There was a time when the PTI repeated its demands again and again.
06:19So the government's attitude was very strict.
06:21Then when the PTI gave this call, then the government's attitude became soft.
06:26They said, talk, do everything.
06:28Then when they reached here, then the government's attitude became soft.
06:32They said, go to Sanjgani, everything.
06:34Now listen to what the PTI people say.
06:37They say, we have agreed, but now Bibi Bushra Bibi has decided, we will go ahead.
06:45And suddenly the government's attitude became very strict again.
06:48There is a loop going on.
06:50And now they say, nothing doing.
06:52There will be no talks and there are shoot to kill orders.
06:55What happened?
06:56The biggest difference in this is the three Rangers who were killed.
07:00And the news that I am sharing with you is that last night there was a very important
07:04meeting.
07:05All the powerful people in this country, the decision makers, 2-3,
07:08they had a very detailed meeting.
07:10And it was decided that now there will be no talks.
07:14And you saw its first symbol when the funeral was today.
07:17The three Rangers who were martyred.
07:20The Prime Minister was also there.
07:22The Army Chief was also there.
07:24The strong Interior Minister was also there.
07:27The rest of the people were also there.
07:29And you must have seen his pictures.
07:31They are giving the coffin to the Army Chief.
07:33They are giving the coffin to the Prime Minister.
07:36This was not just a normal funeral.
07:38These were optics.
07:40And this was a very clear message that this is the line.
07:43And now we were discussing these things.
07:45Then the ISPR press release also came.
07:47And it has a very strict language.
07:49It says, Pakistan cannot afford any chaos and bloodshed for achieving
07:53vested political purposes.
07:56That is, Pakistan does not afford that there is unrest in the country
08:01and bloodshed so that you can achieve your political goals.
08:06And these acts of violence are unacceptable and highly condemnable.
08:10And these acts of violence are unacceptable and highly condemnable.
08:16And this is now testing the limits of the law enforcement agencies.
08:24I have shared all these things with you because
08:28Sometimes it happens that you give shoot-to-kill orders
08:33and announce that there is drama and people should be afraid.
08:37This time these orders are rare.
08:39These are actual orders that have been given.
08:41Shoot-to-kill orders.
08:43But I don't understand where is our Prime Minister?
08:46Sometimes one minister comes, sometimes another.
08:48Why don't you give a policy statement on such a big issue?
08:51Today the Interior Minister has said that we have left everything on IG
08:55and we are standing with him.
08:58The whole country is stuck in a crisis.
09:01And now a grade 20 officer has been given all the responsibility
09:05that he will resolve it.
09:07Earlier, these 20 grade officers who were others,
09:10from Attock to Islamabad, their entire practice had failed.
09:14Anyway, that is later.
09:16Now we will talk about where do we go from here?
09:19Where are we going now?
09:21We have with us Mr. Khokhar, a senior politician and a senator.
09:24We have with us Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, a former Federal Minister of Information.
09:28Fawad, greetings to both of you.
09:30Fawad, I will start with you.
09:32I remember you used to say this repeatedly in my shows and other shows
09:36that we should have a party member.
09:39And this movement will have a very positive development.
09:43And we think that Aleema Khan has become a sideline.
09:46Now Bushra Bibi is the leader of Undisputed.
09:50But it seems that Fawad has become more of a problem.
09:54The party leadership itself is saying that
09:56Sanjani had been decided,
09:58Mr. Khan had decided.
10:00They said no, we will go to D-Chowk.
10:03Today, the government has targeted them
10:05and said that they are responsible for everything.
10:08Is this their political inexperience
10:12due to which problems have been added?
10:14First, the Saudi Arabia legislation came.
10:17Mr. Khan's stance was that he did not take the name.
10:20But the government and many people
10:22have pinned that he was talking about Saudi Arabia.
10:25Now these things,
10:27Ameen Gandapur and others are very cautious.
10:29They are not saying that Sanjani was not there.
10:32They are saying that the matter has been resolved.
10:34Today, Ameen Gandapur's staff was made to talk on the telephone.
10:37It was confirmed that Mr. Khan has been made to talk
10:40from Ameen Gandapur as well.
10:42So, if Bushra Bibi is leading
10:45and you always say that a family member should lead,
10:48I feel that these things are spinning out of control
10:53and are going to a point of no return.
10:56Sir, the first thing is that
10:59you gave a long intro.
11:02In that, I spoke to the staff in great detail.
11:07It is wrong to say that Mr. Khan agreed to Sanjani
11:12and Bushra Bibi did not agree to Sanjani.
11:15The issue was that there were three conditions.
11:20Chief, we are not saying that.
11:22Barista Saif is saying that.
11:24He said it in Kashif's program.
11:28Sir, the issue is that I am on Skype.
11:31When you speak, my voice and your voice will be interrupted.
11:34You have spoken for 20 minutes.
11:36Please be patient for a while.
11:38We will understand what the matter is.
11:41Last time, when there was a Jalsa,
11:44we had a dialogue at 7 in the morning.
11:50When we cancelled the Jalsa and went ahead,
11:53not a single thing was fulfilled.
11:55This time also, when the people who were negotiating
11:59were told that if you do this,
12:02we will do it to the political prisoners in so many days,
12:06Mr. Khan also said that if you do not take the steps,
12:10how will anyone believe in it?
12:13Imran Khan, Mr. Saif, and Bushra Bibi
12:17all said that you take steps towards it
12:21so that we can go there.
12:24Since those steps were not taken,
12:26and I want to tell you that
12:29it is being said again and again
12:31that if we negotiate now,
12:33we will look very weak.
12:35When parties like TLP
12:37come and shoot the head
12:39of the Chief Justice of Pakistan
12:41worth 1.5 crores
12:43and go back,
12:45then there is no shame on your reputation.
12:47But when a peaceful crowd
12:49comes to you to ask for their political rights,
12:52you say that the negotiations with them are very weak.
12:56I mean, there should be some criteria.
12:58There was an election in this country.
13:00In the election, people gave a mandate to Tariq-e-Insaf.
13:04The next day, that mandate was stolen.
13:06After that, the judge of anti-terrorism
13:10was arrested.
13:12The judges of anti-terrorism
13:14who decide on a small margin
13:16were threatened at their homes.
13:18They were arrested.
13:20Then the judges of the High Court are in front of you.
13:22The Supreme Court was finished
13:24by the 26th Constitution.
13:26So tell me what people should do
13:28when it means that
13:30you are saying that
13:32if you do not have weapons,
13:34then we will not negotiate with you.
13:36We will not give you anything.
13:38And Dr. Yasmeen Rashid,
13:40the 80-year-old woman,
13:42cancer survivor,
13:44is in jail.
13:46Ijaz Chaudhry, twice bypassed,
13:48has been in jail for 70 years.
13:50We don't care about all these people.
13:52You go to Sangjani,
13:54sit there.
13:56If we want, we will do it.
13:58If we don't, we won't.
14:00So see, these are the criticisms,
14:03and just now you heard
14:05the press conference of the minister.
14:07He says, we will shoot
14:09who will negotiate.
14:11Such an insulting attitude
14:13towards the leader
14:15with whom 70% of the people of Pakistan
14:17are standing and Tariq-e-Insaf,
14:19who is the 2-3rd majority representative of Pakistan.
14:21This is your attitude towards him.
14:23And the extremist parties,
14:25the sectarian parties
14:27that promote hatred,
14:29you should look at their attitude.
14:31So,
14:33I want to
14:35ask you the same thing.
14:37Tell me one thing,
14:39there is such a
14:41ruckus that has become
14:43a Guardian Knot.
14:45Who will open it?
14:47The problem is that
14:49they have come to Islamabad.
14:51Now they are saying,
14:53we will not talk anymore.
14:55Because the stance of the government
14:57is that Sangjani has decided
14:59and that is why we have opened the way.
15:01They have changed their stance.
15:03Now Barista Saif and other people
15:05themselves are saying, yes, we have agreed.
15:07Now Bushra Bibi is saying something else.
15:09Now when the people of the government
15:11were talking off the record,
15:13they used to say, we did not want to talk to you.
15:15Who should we talk to?
15:17Should we talk to Gandapur or Bushra Bibi?
15:19Now, the government
15:21has taken an extreme hard line
15:23that there will be no talks.
15:25They have given shoot-to-kill orders
15:27and I am telling you that
15:29these orders are real.
15:31Now, how will things go from here?
15:33What happens now?
15:37Thank you, Malik bhai.
15:39You used the word Gunjil.
15:41This Gunjil did not happen today.
15:43This Gunjil happened on 8th February
15:45when the election results were manipulated
15:47and the mandate was stolen.
15:49As a result, this Gunjil became more serious.
15:51Now,
15:53a decision was made by the Supreme Court
15:55and the reserve seats were decided.
15:57The full court sat down and said
15:59that these seats are the right of Tariq-e-Insaaf.
16:01But the Election Commission
16:03and other parties refused to accept this.
16:05The Supreme Court did not accept this decision.
16:07This Gunjil became more serious.
16:09After that, the elections of the Senate
16:11were to be held in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
16:13The elections of the Senate were not held there.
16:15You kept a federating unit
16:17without a representative in the Senate.
16:19So, this Gunjil became more serious.
16:21On 9th February,
16:23many people including me
16:25have said that
16:27you can prosecute the people
16:29you want to prosecute.
16:31But there should not be persecution
16:33in the name of prosecution.
16:35When persecution started,
16:37in the last 1.5-2 years,
16:39we saw only persecution.
16:41So, Gunjil became more serious.
16:43If I may add,
16:45If I may add,
16:47frankly,
16:49the Supreme Court
16:51has hanged the matter
16:53so that it can be decided.
16:55It has been 1.5 years
16:57since the trial of the people
16:59on 9th February.
17:01Please continue.
17:03Yes, of course.
17:05So, this Gunjil has become so serious
17:07that the consequences
17:09are clear.
17:11The four people who were martyred today
17:13are our children and our brothers.
17:15The police constable who was martyred yesterday
17:17is our child and our brother.
17:19Two people have been martyred
17:21in the name of justice.
17:23They claim that
17:25a third person has been martyred.
17:27All of them are our children.
17:29Both of them are Pakistanis.
17:31In Parachinar,
17:33about 100 people have been martyred.
17:35Neither the Prime Minister
17:37nor the Interior Minister
17:39nor the Prime Minister
17:41were able to go there.
17:43Six days ago,
17:4512 people were martyred.
17:47They were attacked on the post.
17:49Four or five days ago,
17:51the EPICS Committee decided
17:53that the situation in Balochistan
17:55has deteriorated.
17:57We are already engaged
17:59in terrorism on two fronts.
18:01In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
18:03we are engaged in religious terrorism.
18:05In Balochistan,
18:07we are engaged in a different type of terrorism.
18:09These two fronts are already
18:11very dangerous fronts
18:13on which our brave security forces
18:15and political instability
18:17in the rest of the world
18:19are not creating a consensus
18:21which our forces need.
18:23We need to create a consensus
18:25as soon as possible
18:27in the larger national interest.
18:29We need to resolve
18:31political disputes.
18:33How will this happen?
18:35There are 20,000-25,000 people
18:37and they are sitting.
18:39The government is sitting
18:41and they are being challenged.
18:43They say that we will not go.
18:45What will happen now?
18:47The city is shut down.
18:49The whole country is paralyzed.
18:51Today, the stock market
18:53has fallen by 5000 points.
18:55It's not a joke going on.
18:57How will we move forward?
18:59I am trying to find out.
19:01You answer first
19:03and then I want to ask Fawad the same question.
19:05The way to move forward
19:07is that you do not take extreme positions.
19:09You avoid extreme positions.
19:11The biggest responsibility
19:13on the government
19:15is that it has the power
19:17because it is the government.
19:19Before using the power,
19:21the government
19:23should exhaust
19:25all the peaceful options.
19:27But what we have seen here
19:29is that instead of
19:31moving forward,
19:33instead of exhausting
19:35the peaceful options,
19:37you look at the statements
19:39of the government.
19:41Some say that we will not let them in.
19:43Some say that we will shoot them.
19:45Governments do not behave like this.
19:47The job of the government
19:49is to make ways.
19:51On the other hand,
19:53the flaw of Tehreek-e-Insaf
19:55is that they also find it difficult
19:57to engage with other political parties.
19:59They say that we do not consider
20:01any other political stakeholder
20:03legitimate in Pakistan.
20:05We just want to talk to the establishment.
20:07If they also take extreme positions,
20:09it will be difficult
20:11to find a way out.
20:13Can we still find a way out?
20:15Fawad,
20:17tell me something.
20:19If there was a point-making,
20:21PTA proved it.
20:23They said that you will not come to Islamabad.
20:254000 people will come.
20:27They closed the city and came.
20:29They proved the point.
20:31The government gave them some offers.
20:33Phase-wise release.
20:35Do you have an option?
20:37Do you have an option?
20:39PTA said that they have proved the point.
20:41Now, we will go to Sanjh Gani.
20:43We will bluff you.
20:45You said that we will do 2-3 things.
20:47If they do not do it,
20:49we will come back here.
20:51Will it work again?
20:53Do you have an option
20:55to bluff PTA?
20:59First of all,
21:01you said in your intro
21:03that you have given
21:05very serious orders.
21:07Just like
21:09Mustafa said,
21:11are we alive in Stalin's Russia?
21:13Or are we alive in Nazi Germany?
21:15What kind of language
21:17is this
21:19that our ministers
21:21are using and the media
21:23is being fed that language?
21:25We are a country of
21:27250 million people.
21:29Such a strange joke
21:31that
21:33the president of Pakistan
21:35has come to the world.
21:37Anyone who opens the internet
21:39in Pakistan knows that
21:41the stature of the Karachi mayor
21:43is at the level of Putin's junior minister.
21:45The Prime Minister
21:47has reached there
21:49in a full-fledged suit.
21:51They do not know the protocols.
21:53They do not know what to do.
21:55They think that
21:57the whole of Pakistan is stupid.
21:59We will do it.
22:01This is not how it works.
22:03Extend some respect.
22:05Today, Imran Khan said
22:07that you have locked them in a death cell
22:09for three days.
22:13This attitude
22:15is creating
22:17only complications.
22:19You are absolutely right.
22:21I agree with you.
22:23Tell me,
22:25how will the talks start?
22:27I am asking
22:29if Imran can start
22:31the talks.
22:33As I said, point made.
22:35They have come to Islamabad.
22:37We have reached D-Chowk.
22:39Now we will listen to you
22:41and see if you are lying or telling the truth.
22:43Does Imran not have an initiative
22:45at this time?
22:47Both have an initiative.
22:49Imran Khan can do it.
22:51It is very easy for the government.
22:53Just tell me,
22:55there are three demands.
22:57Return the mandate.
22:59Give relief to the political prisoners.
23:03What is the problem
23:05with this third point?
23:07You have kept it for two years.
23:09Now you have done it.
23:11What else do you want
23:13to take revenge from Yasmeen Rashid?
23:15There has been a fight for personal killings.
23:17What has happened?
23:1970-75-year-old people
23:21have been bypassed.
23:23There should be no problem
23:25in giving relief to these people.
23:27Be magnanimous.
23:29These people have been in jail
23:31for the past 20 months.
23:33Imran Khan,
23:35the former Prime Minister,
23:37is kept in death cells in the world.
23:39In 2024,
23:41there were cases on President Trump.
23:43But this is not how the world
23:45treats its former leaders
23:47and such big leaders.
23:49There is only one problem.
23:51The problem is
23:53that you say
23:55that Imran Khan has no status.
23:57We are not ready to give him
23:59his weight.
24:01This is not possible.
24:03You will accept
24:05Imran Khan's status.
24:07I think there is no difficulty
24:09in this matter.
24:11Imran Khan is not saying
24:13to remove Shahbaz Sharif
24:15and make him Prime Minister.
24:17I think there is no issue
24:19in removing Shahbaz Sharif
24:21and making him Prime Minister.
24:23You can go to Sanjani
24:25but you have to take
24:27practical steps
24:29towards the political prisoners.
24:31We told them
24:33to go to Sanjani
24:35and make a political action committee
24:37and work out things.
24:39The release of the prisoners
24:41will also start.
24:43I am just asking
24:45that both of them
24:47should go to Sanjani.
24:49A harsh crackdown
24:51will start tomorrow
24:53when the foreign delegation
24:55will leave.
24:57Tomorrow there will be
24:59a serious crackdown.
25:01Tomorrow or day after tomorrow
25:03it doesn't matter.
25:05The crackdown has been going on
25:07for two years.
25:09The intensity will increase
25:11and decrease.
25:13The atrocities against
25:15the Chinese and Hindus
25:17have increased.
25:19It is not a small matter.
25:21They have beaten us up.
25:23It is not a small matter.
25:25They have beaten us up.
25:27It is not a small matter.
25:29The India strong
25:31and strong
25:33Love
25:39Hon'ble
25:41Bushra Bibi ne faisla, unhone kaha ke wo maan gaye the Khan sahab, Bushra Bibi ne faisla
25:46badla hai.
25:47Nahi, nahi, nahi.
25:48Khan sahab...
25:49Aur aapke jaun se yeh leaders hai, senior, wo off the record jab baat karte hai, wo karte
25:56hai, hum kya karein, hume to Khan ne keh diya tha Sanjh Ghani chale ja, Bibi kah rahi
26:01hai, to hum kya karein.
26:02So, ek confusion to hai na market mein.
26:04Main aapko bataao, koi confusion nahi hai.
26:06Imran Khan mein aur Bushra Bibi mein koi farak nahi hai.
26:09Woh dono bilkul ek hi page pe hai aur yeh baat mein mujhe pata hai ke unhone kaha tha
26:16ki tishli defa bhi chuki yeh hua tha, inhone apna jalsa cancel kiya, inhone aage leke gaye
26:21aur tamaam jo waade kiye gaye the, wo poore nahi hua.
26:24So, aap bhi Imran Khan ka yeh hi tha, waade ki kya guarantee hogi.
26:28Ek to, mujhe lagta hai ke negotiation team me bhi, kuch aise log bhi to daalne chahiye
26:33na, jinke upar thoda, I would say at least controversy zyada na ho.
26:37PTI ke andar bhi log aise the aur PMLN mein bhi aise log maujood hai, jinke upar controversy
26:43kam hai, un logon ko aage kare na.
26:45Aur wo log jo hai, wo negotiate karein, tha ke pata ho ki yeh banda jo baat kar raha hai,
26:49jo zubaan de rahe hai, yeh poori hogi.
26:51So, I think wo team ke saath bhi issue hai.
26:53Team thodi betar kar lein, aur yeh iski tarah badh jayein.
26:57Yeh 100% resolvable issue hai.
26:59Main jo toh samajh hi nahi aa rahi ki goliyan maar na, maar denge, kar denge, se aage badh
27:04jayein.
27:07Mustafa, do you agree with Fawad ke yeh teams ke calibre ka bhi ek masla hai?
27:13Ke dono taraf se shayad jo team-ein negotiate kar rahi hain, wo is calibre ki nahi hai?
27:20Of course, yeh issue ho sakta hai, lekin dikhein, as we speak, aur jo aapne manzar nama khinch
27:25hai, jo aapne apni information share ki hai, hum sab kabhi yehi khayal hai, ke batiyan
27:30gul kar di gayi hai, aur operation hua ke hua?
27:33Aaj raat ko ho, ya alias subah ho, ya khal dupayt ho.
27:37Ab uske nitija mein hona kya hai?
27:39Operation ka zahiri baat hai, maqsad yeh hoga ke Bushra bibi ko ghariftaar kiya jayein,
27:44Ali Ameen sahab ko ghariftaar kiya jayein, digar jo tariq-e-ansaar ki leadership hai,
27:48usko ghariftaar kiya jayein.
27:50Ab ek possibility toh yeh hai, ke bastiya gassing hoti hai, operation hota hai, lathi
27:55charge hota hai, aur koi bada nuqsaan nahi hota hai, aur in logon ko ghariftaar kar liya
28:00jaata hai, uske ek different set of consequences honge.
28:03Lekin jo khatarnat possibility hai, wo yeh hai, ke jahan par ek charged crowd maujood
28:07ho, hazaaron ke hasaab se log maujood ho, wahaan par jab aap unke rehnumaon ko ghariftaar
28:13karne ke liye operation karenge, toh things can also go south, aur agar cheezein galat
28:19simt mein chali jaati hai, aur wahaan par bada koi jaani nuqsaan ho jaata hai, toh
28:23phir bahut se cheezein kaha jaayengi.
28:25Aaj government ke ek bada senior wazir se main baat kaha raha tha, unhone kaha ke jee
28:30dekhen, humne toh jab Bushra BB ki release hui, humne koi naya parcha nahi kiya, humne
28:35kaha chale Bushra BB ko baahir jaane den, yeh goodwill gesture hoga, khansaab bhi thoda
28:41sa thande padenge, toh humara khayal tha ke yeh cheezeon mein betri aayegi.
28:45Hum toh Bushra BB ko baahir phaise ke ulta phans gaye hain, wo toh bahut zyada hardline
28:51le ke aa gayi hain, wo toh hum Gandapur ugar se baat kar sakte the, bakiyon se kar sakte
28:55the, inse toh baat bhi nahi kar pa rahe hain, humne toh ek hi humara jo CBM tha, wo ulta
28:59pad gaye hain.
29:00Kyunke main unse do teen baatein poocha doonga, aap jo unse humne do teen CBM, aap humne jo
29:05do teen CBM aur keh rahe hain, aap kya chahate hain ki humne gale mein phanda daal le?
29:09Literally yeh jawab tha.
29:11Dekhen I don't buy this theory ke yeh goodwill gesture tha, aapko yaad hoga ki Islamabad
29:16bhi tariqat-e-insaaf ek bahut bada jaloos le kar yahaan par paunche the, aur pin mera
29:21apna zaati khayal yeh hai, ke wo baara zillon wali kahani toh aise hi thi, kuch background
29:26ke andar kuch discussions hui, jiske natije mein yeh relief mila.
29:30Yeh relief unhone liya.
29:32Yeh goodwill gesture ki theory main toh buy nahi karta.
29:35Ek pressure unhone create kiya, leverage unhe mila, aur unhone woh relief le liya.
29:39Abhi bhi maqsad toh yeh hi tha, ke hum D-chowk agar paunchenge, toh D-chowk hum paunch kar
29:44ek leverage create karenge, ek apni bargaining position ko mazboot karenge, tha ke hukumat
29:49se hum kuch relief le sekein.
29:51Ab wo relief hai kya?
29:53Dekhen, aapne, isse pehle ke aap badi baaton ki taraf jaye, aap Imran Khan sahab ko, jo
29:58jinn logon ka naam liye Fawad bhai de, aap inn logon ko kahin bhi jail se bahar bhale
30:03mat nikaale, lekin jail ke andar jo hospitals hai, aap wahan par shift kar de.
30:07Aap ek gesture toh unhe de, aap elections ke audit ki upar, pehle bhi kya isse, election
30:13ke audit ki upar baat nahi hui, Nasir ul Mulk sahab ne tehqeek ki thi, Imran Khan sahab
30:17ki marzi se, Nasir ul Mulk sahab ne tehqeek ki thi, aur us waqt ki hukumat Nawaz Sharif
30:21sahab ki marzi se bhi ki thi, toh aisa pehle bhi ho chuka hai, toh election audit kaunsa
30:25ek din me ho jana hai, ya ek mahine me ho jana hai, agar aap poore Pakistan ka election
30:29audit chahte hain, toh it will at least take 6 months to a year, toh kaunsa aaj...
30:33Wo toh aapko nazar nahi aara, wo toh abhi main, Free and Fair Election Network, Fafn
30:39ki report jo aayi hai, ye isi hafte, badi interesting, usme details hain, usme toh
30:46unhan kaha ke jee, jo 3, 3.5 ke kareed uzardariyan, intikhabi, usme se sirf 6 ke faisle hua hain,
30:53Punjab me 155 me se sirf 10 ke faisle hua hain, aur jo tribunals bane the, jisme ladke
31:004 retired judges bithaye the, unhone toh ek case bhi nahi suna, aur similarly, total
31:0623 tribunals me se 7 ne ek faisla bhi nahi kiya, wo toh bilkul hi usme toh kuch nahi
31:12ho raha, wo toh nothing is happening on that front, abhi toh immediate crisis hi hum baat
31:17karein, anyway, ek break lete hain, break ke baad aake main chahata hu, aap mujhe dono
31:22ye suggest karein, ki iss immediate crisis ko iss waqt de-escalate karne ka tariqa kya
31:27hai, dono taraf se, iss break ke baad.
31:37Ji welcome back, break se pehle sawaad chod ke gaya tha, kya immediate de-escalation
31:42ho sakti hai, Mustafa aapka closing comment, kya karein iss waqt dono sides, ki de-escalation
31:47ho?
31:54Awas theek nahi aari, Fawad sahab same question, kya iss waqt immediate ho, ki de-escalation
32:01ho, because bahut halaat iss waqt khatanaag nahesh mein hai.
32:25Fawad yeh agle 24-48 ghante mein toh nahi ho sakta na, yeh 24-48 uspe kuch toh time
32:31lagega, main toh baat kah raha ho.
32:47Aap karein ki yeh immediate goodwill gesture ho sakta hai?
33:01Unhe Peshawar mein, yah jidhar bhi karna chahein, aap udhar unhe shift karein, aur uske baad
33:05jo hai, wo aap baaki cheezon ke upar baati chiru ho jayegi, aage chale chalna chiru ho
33:09jayegi.
33:10Filhal itna kaam karna chahiye na, dekhein kuch zaati dhikade toh nahi hai na logon
33:14ke saath.
33:15Toh isliye aap toh bilkul zaati anao ki ladaiyan toh na na banaye, itna bada mulg hai aur...
33:21Zaati hai toh sahi, zaati toh bani bhi hai, Mustafa same question to you, immediate, Fawad
33:28sahab ka khayal hai, yeh immediately relief deyen, prisoners wahera ki, aur doosi cheezein
33:34karein, aur wo sanjhgaani chale jayein, toh theek hai, cheezein kuch behtar ho jayengi.
33:38Aapka kya khayal hai?
33:40Dekhein, ultimate jo hal hai solution ka, wo toh free and fair elections hai, jo 8 February
33:45ko elections huvein, jis tariqah se results manipulate kiye gaye...
33:48Wo toh door ki baat hai na, main toh agle 48 ghante ki baat par raha hoon.
33:51Agle 48 ghante mein dekhein, humein ek aur jo cheez jo nazar aa rahi hai, ke jis jamaat
33:56ki haqoomat hai, uske sarbarab mian Nawaz Sharif sahab, bilkul la taluk hokar baithe
34:00hain.
34:01Zardari sahab ki is hawale se koi statement samne nahi aayi.
34:05Toh jo jamaaton ke sarbarahan hai, wo khud la taluk hokar baithe hain, unhe bhi beech
34:10mein entry dalni padegi, agar tariqah insaaf ke log, agar koi bada saniya hota hai, agar
34:15log rangers ke shaheed ho rahein, police ke shaheed ho rahein, toh yeh sab Pakistani
34:19hai, Nawaz Sharif sahab aur Zardari sahab apne aap ko kaise la taluk rak sakte hain.
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