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Host:
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- Muzamal Suharwardy (Analyst)
- Barrister Saad Rasool (Analyst)
Did Imran Khan Not call for Reaching D-Chowk? Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Shoaib Shaheen PTI
- Muzamal Suharwardy (Analyst)
- Barrister Saad Rasool (Analyst)
Did Imran Khan Not call for Reaching D-Chowk? Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
"Atta Tarar ko 6 Din Bad Yad Aya kay Murad Saeed..."Shoaib Shaheen's Reactions
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00:00Bismillah-e-Rahman-e-Raheem, Programme-e-Atiraaz-e-Main, Main Hoon Anika Nisar, Nazreen, Ek ke Baad
00:14Ek, claims aarein, koi PTI ki taraf se aarein, koi hukumat ki taraf se aarein, lekin audio
00:19leaks ho rahi hain, kuch aisi audios aayein pichle ek hafte ke dauraniye mein, jo ke ek
00:24wade sensible PTI ke leader, Ali Muhammad Khan sahab ki taraf se aayein, jo ke Pakistan
00:28Tehreek-e-Insaaf aur Imran Khan sahab ki saath kayi dihaiyon se attached hain, aur yeh
00:33wo log hain, jo ke Waqay mein PTI ke core leaderaan rahein, unki audio saamne haa rahi
00:38hain, aur unse humne confirm bhi kiya programme se pehle, ki kya yeh jo audio leak hui hain,
00:42yeh aapki hi audio hain, toh unhone is baat ka jawab masmat mein diya, ki yeh bilkul unki
00:48audio hain, aur wo stand karte hain, jo baat in audios mein kahi gayi hain, ab audio
00:53mein baat kya kahi gayi hain, aapko yaad hoga, 24 November ko yeh baarha container se
00:57ehlaan kiya gaya, Bushra Bibi ki jaanib se, ke manzil D-Chowk hain, wo sot bhi suniye,
01:04aur saath wo bhi suniye, jo Ali Muhammad Khan sahab D-Chowk ke hawale se keh rahein, ki
01:07kya Imran Khan sahab ne, Bani PTI ne, aisi koi wo baat kahi thi, ya nahi kahi thi.
01:28Imran Khan sahab ne kaha, nahi, D-Chowk ya koi jagah specify na karein, aap logon ko Islamabad batayiye, Islamabad jab aajayenge, phir unko jagah bata di jayegi.
01:38Phir baat aajati hai, ki agar aisi hi baat thi, toh siyasi leaderan, jinki siyasi baseerat
01:43hoti hai, unko decision kyu nahi lene diya gaya, ek poori party, jo ki ek mulki party
01:48hai, kisi ek subah ki party nahi hai, national party hai, uski saak ko stake par kyu laga
01:54diya gaya, kis ke kehne par laga diya gaya, kya muharekaat thi.
01:58Kyuki iss se pehle Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf bade waze tohr par maurusiyat ke khilaf rahi.
02:03Imran Khan sahab jab tak jail se bahar the, tab bhi wo maurusiyat ke khilaf baat karte
02:07rahe.
02:08Mere apne program me, barrister Ali Zafar ne bhi yahi baat kahi, ki unhone Imran Khan
02:12sahab se, jab maurusiyat ke hawale se khadshat ka izhaar karke poocha, toh Imran Khan sahab
02:17ne kya jawab diya?
02:18Aur isi hawale se, isi audio me Ali Muhammad Khan kya keh rahein?
02:22Maine unko ek suggestion di thi, ke kuch log ye keh rahein, ki aapke kisi family member
02:27ko involve hona chahiye siyasat mein.
02:29Toh unhone usko reject kar diya tha, unhone kaha tha, ki meri nazar mein, main toh is
02:34jo khandani siyasat hai, ya jo ek hereditary siyasat hai, uske khilaf hun, aur misha awaaz
02:40uthata rahun, toh main ye bilkul nahin mujhe ye manzoor.
02:43Ye jo protest tha, Khan sahab ne jab iska ilan kiya, mein khalme 14 ko ye ilan hua,
02:48Ali Ma Apa ki taraf se ye ilan hua, halan ki mera khayal hai ki ye ilan Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf
02:53Barista Gohar ki taraf se hona chahiye tha, kyunki ye ek politici jamaat hai, aur Khan
02:57sahab ne hamisha family politics ki, apni jamaat mein ye kaha hai, ki meri jamaat mein
03:02maurusiyat ki koi jagah nahi hai.
03:04Ek taraf ye baat aagayi, doosri taraf ye baat bhi aagayi, ki khandaan ko, especially
03:09behno ko toh fikr thi bhai ki, isliye unhone kisi aur par yaqeen karna gawara nahi kiya.
03:14Lekin doosri taraf, Imran Khan sahab ke liye, har baar istara ka koi qadam uthaya jaata
03:19hai, koi istara ki statement hoti hai, toh mushkilat Imran Khan sahab ke liye badhti
03:23hai.
03:24Aaj, Imran Khan sahab ki na toh siyasi rehnumaon se, nahi unke khandaan walon se mulaqat ho
03:28rahi hai.
03:29Baat saare khadshat ka izhaar ki hai Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf ki leadership ne, lekin doosri
03:33taraf se ye tardeed bhi aagayi hai, ki Imran Khan sahab ko Adiala jail se kahi idhar udhar
03:36nahi kiya gaya, wo wahin maujood hai.
03:38Lekin kyunke mulaqate nahi ho rahi hai, isliye leadership parishan bhi hai.
03:41Toh ye iska kusurwar koin hai?
03:43Ali Amin Gandapur sahab ne, kuch shikayat kar diye hai, ki hamaari toh demand ye hai
03:47ki leader se mulaqat kara de, aur leader ko reha kara de.
04:08Ab ek taraf Ali Amin Gandapur sahab keh rahe hain ki, dubara call aayi hai itijaj ki, toh
04:15hum har dham tayar hain.
04:17Toh doosri taraf JAY bhi ye alaan kar rahi hai, ki humne jo demand ziye hain, agar unko
04:21na mana gaya, toh hum bhi sadko par aa jayenge.
04:23Toh hukumat ke liye, ek aur challenge brew hota hua nazar aa rahe hain.
04:26Doosri taraf, hukumat ki taraf se, laashon par siyasat, senthis Afghani shehri arrest
04:32hone, in tamam cheezon ke baare mein dawa bhi kiya jaa rahe hain.
04:35Aur yeh kaa bhi jaa rahe hain, ki yeh baqaida reports thi, koi nai baat nahi hain, yeh koi
04:38hawai baat nahi hain.
04:39Ki reports maujood thi, ki yeh assal mein laashon par siyasat karne ki baat ho rahi hai,
04:44ya isi purpose ke liye.
04:46Ek hype create ki gayi, final call ka ek naam diya gaya, ki yeh do or die hai.
04:50Mindset tha, ki dande ke zor pe, humne riyasat ko ghutne tekne par manjboor karna hai.
04:55Riyasate ghutne nahi tekti.
04:56Humare paas intelligence reports aana shuru hui, ki yeh final call ki garb mein, koshish
05:00ki jayegi, katlo gharit ki jaye, laashon ki siyasat ki jaye.
05:0337 Afghan shahari sharik the PTI ke protest mein.
05:05Humne 45 bandooke baqaida recover ki hain se.
05:09Ab ek taraf yeh, doosri taraf hukumat hamesha yeh kehti hai, ki kabhi SCO ka maamla ho,
05:14kabhi Chini President ne aana ho, kabhi IMF ka karze ka maamla ho, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
05:20ne hamesha koi na koi intishaar phailana hota hai.
05:23Aur is bar bhi yahi hua, jab Belarus ke President aaye.
05:27Yeh ilzaam ke saath, Ahsan Iqbal sahab ne, basically aur kya kya kaha, isko intishaari
05:33siyasat ke diya.
05:34Kyun?
05:35Sunne zara.
05:36Pakistan ki maheeshat upar ki taraf jaa rahi hai.
05:39Intishaar phaila karke Pakistan ki maheeshat ko dubara crash karne ke mansoobe bana rahe
05:44hain.
05:45Ab PTI ko chahiye, ke manfi siyasat chhode.
05:47Yehwanon ke andar aaye.
05:48PTI wo kaam kar rahi hai, jo Pakistan ke dushman bhi nahi kar sakte.
05:52Aur humne unhe baara kaha hai, ke aap yeh fake news aur fake propaganda se apni siyasat
05:58na chalayen.
06:00Accha, propaganda ki baat alag, fake news ki baat alag, lashon ke hawale se numbers ke
06:05barte chala jaa rahe hain, wo baat alag.
06:07Lekin, ek aur claim jo PTI ke hawale se, hukumat ki taraf se aaye, wo aaye Atta Tarar sahab
06:13ki taraf se.
06:14Muraad Sahib, kyunko bade arse se hukuma dhoont rahi hai, unhone kaha hai, ki ji wo to
06:17dharne ke andar, ya yeh sehtijaaj me shamil the, aur KPK house me chhupe hua.
06:22Muraad Sahib, CM House KPK me rooposh hai.
06:25Muraad Sahib, bakaida na sirf shariq tha, is protest ke andar, balki uske saath trained
06:30jathhe maujood the.
06:31Accha nahi lagta.
06:32Federal government wahan pe raid kare, aur kahi ji humne isko pakadna hai.
06:35Ab yeh claim bhi baara interesting nazar aata hai.
06:38Shoaib Shaheen sahab, humare saath maujood hai Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf ke rehnuma hai.
06:41Bahot shukriya Shoaib sahab, aapne join kiya, pleasure having you in the programme.
06:44Shoaib sahab, pehle toh yeh bata di jayega, yeh Muraad Saeed yahan ehtijaaj me maujood
06:49the.
06:51Yeh aap logon ko bhi pata tha, ki wo idhar the ya nahi, aur KPK house me keh rahe hain
06:55Tataar sahab, ki ji wo maujood hai, lekin accha nahi lagta, ki wahan jaa ke raid ki jaye
06:59aur unko arrest kiya jata hai.
07:00Is baat me kitni sadakat, kitna joot?
07:04Dekhe, is katputli, beimaan, besharam, aadmi ko sharam aani chahiye, har roz ek naya joot
07:11bolte hua.
07:12Bhai, agar wo majood tha, toh subah se lekar, barke jab se kaafla humara chala, Peshawar
07:19se, us den se lekar, 26 ki raat tak, poora national media, mainstream media, akhbar,
07:26social media, saare ke saare wahan majood rahe, toh wo kisi ko toh nazar nahi aaya.
07:31Aaj 6 din baad, yaani 24 ke baad, aaj 1.
07:34tariq ko, Atta Taran ko kahi nadar aaya, aur wo KP house me chhupa hua hai.
07:39Is, beimaan hukumat se main poochan chahata hu, ki jab pichhi tafaa, 5 tariq ko toh aap
07:44jaa kar ke dhawa bol diya tha, jis tarah aapne, katlogharat kya ek mahaul yahan ab banaya
07:49hai, aur us waqt, jis tariqe se, poore KP house ko tehs lehs ka biya tha, toh, us waqt
07:56kaun chhupa hua tha?
07:58Kya issue tha?
07:59Ek chief minister agar wahan gaya tha, toh aap uske peechay baag gaye the, aur aaj,
08:04aapko 6 din baad yaad aaya, ki nahi ji, uske saare is protest ke andar wo maujood tha.
08:09Aur is protest ke andar, jis andaas se, keh rahe hain ji, Asla tha, bhai Asle ko dekhne
08:15ke liye, koi aankh toh maujood hoti.
08:18Asle ki toh videos aa gayi na, Shoaib Shaheen Shah.
08:21Asle ki toh videos aa gayi na, CCTV footages chal rahi hain.
08:24In badmaashayon aur bhaimaanon ka sirf ek propaganda hai, aur iska raabha pooch bhi nahi
08:28hai.
08:29Mujhe bataye, kitne log aap the, aap log the.
08:32Yahaan saara din bhi, Peshawar se dekhar yahaan tak, Kulsoom Plaza chowk se dekhar D
08:37chowk tak, kitne log musalla the.
08:39In badmaashayon ne, goliyan chalayi, sab ne dekha, snipers ke dariye, inhone log goliyan
08:43chalayi.
08:44Shoaib Shaheen Shah, kitne log musalla the, se zyada matter yeh karte hai, ek bhi ehtajaji
08:48musalla kyun hai?
08:49Aap BBC ki?
08:50Sune, aap BBC ki report aap utha le.
08:52Aap Al Jazeera ki report aap utha le.
08:54Aap The Guardian ki report utha le.
08:56Aur agar aisa tha, mujhe yeh bata de.
08:58Inhone toh kaha, ek goli nahi chali.
09:03Yeh hospital walon ko, kisne yeh ghamaal banaya hua tha?
09:05Yeh hukummat kehti hai, yeh ghalat claim hai.
09:07Now this I'll have to ask them, Shoaib Shah.
09:09Yeh baat mujhe unse puchni padegi, jo hukummati ahlkaar.
09:12Main sirf aapse yeh puchna chahariyon.
09:14Chale, hukummat ne nahi dekha tha.
09:16Unko ab yaad aaya hai ki, Noorad Saeed idhar the.
09:18Aap logon miske kisi ki mulaqat liye?
09:20Jhoot ke alawa yeh poori siyasat.
09:22Yeh katputli hain, sune.
09:23Yeh katputli hain.
09:24Yeh haare huye log hain.
09:25Dodo paanch paanch aadhaar vote lekar aaye hua hain.
09:27Satra institut wa saath warse iktadaar baithe hua hain.
09:30Establishment ne inko musallat kiya hai.
09:32Corrupt bureaucracy aur corrupt election commission ki milli bagat se.
09:35Aur Qazi Faiz sahab ko ki suhulatkaari ke saath.
09:38Inke paas na akhlaaq ki jawaaz hain.
09:40Na ayni jawaaz hain.
09:41Na qanooni jawaaz hain.
09:42Na siyasi jawaaz hain.
09:43Inone jhoot ka saahara leke jhoot bolna hota hai.
09:45Subah shaam.
09:46Na inko duniya maanti hain.
09:47Na inko log maanti hain.
09:50Pata hai mere liye ek journalist ki hasiyat se.
09:52Ek aise journalist ki hasiyat se.
09:54Jisko na PTI se hamdardi hai.
09:56Na PMLN se.
09:57Na People's Party se.
09:58Mere liye hairat is baat ki hoti hai.
09:59Ke jab koi opposition mein aata hai.
10:01Toh saari jamaaton ka mauka fake hota hai.
10:03Aur jab koi hukummat mein aata hai.
10:04Toh sabka mauka fake hota hai.
10:05Sab apne aap ko legitimate samajhte hain.
10:07Is hukummat samayet aur pichli hukummat samayet.
10:09Mera yeh ab sawaal hai.
10:10Ke kya wakil mein yeh jo audio leaks ki andar baat kar rahe hain.
10:13Ali Muhammad Khan sahab ki Imran Khan sahab.
10:15Kyuki unki mulaqatein hoti rehti hain.
10:17Woh keh rahe hain ki Imran Khan sahab ne D-Chok ki baat nahi ki thi.
10:20Unhone kaha tha Islamabad tak pohnche.
10:22Aur uske baad phir iss se pehle Parister Saif bhi keh chuke.
10:24Ke Sanjani ki baat ho gayi thi.
10:26To negotiate.
10:27Aur negotiate karke maamle ko aage lekar jaane ki.
10:30Imran Khan sahab PM hai.
10:31He knows very well.
10:32Ke state se ladhai nahi hoti hai.
10:34Mulk se ladhai nahi hoti hai.
10:36So aisi surat-e-haal mein.
10:37Kisne mana kiya Imran Khan sahab ke order ko implement karne mein.
10:43Dekhein pehli baat toh yeh hai ki yeh Imran Khan sahab ki call se ke jiye Islamabad pohnch rahe hain.
10:48Baaki Sanjani ka maamla ho, D-Chok ka maamla ho, wo Islamabad hai.
10:52Islamabad mein aana hai, Islamabad mein dharna dena, yaayi nahi aur kaal.
11:06Sawal yeh hai ki D-Chok aur Islamabad.
11:09Fark toh hai.
11:10D-Chok Islamabad mein, Islamabad D-Chok mein nahi hai.
11:12Shoaib Shaheen sahab se connection wapas aaya?
11:15We were trying to get connected to him.
11:17Lekin ek baat toh te hai ki agar hukumat ko yeh pata chal gaya tha.
11:20Ki Murad Saeed sahab waqeim Islamabad hai.
11:22Toh fir kis baat ki der thi?
11:24Rest kartein.
11:25Instead of yeh ki aaj kitne dino baad yeh statement de rahe hain.
11:29Ki Murad Saeed iss ehtajaj mein bhi maujood the.
11:31Ehtajaj mein maujood hone ke saath saath ab KP ke house mein hain.
11:34Iss se pehle Ali Ameen Gandapur wale maamle mein.
11:38Jab KP ke house mein jaa sakte the.
11:40Toh iss time par agar maujood hain koi aisi shakhsiyat.
11:42Jisko jo wanted hain.
11:44Ya jo arrest karna chahiye hukumat.
11:46Toh fir kisi na mana toh nahi kiya.
11:48Iss se pehle bhi hua tha.
11:49Shoaib Shaheen sahab aapko meri awaaz aa rahi hai?
11:51Ji yeh birkul aa rahi hai.
11:53Right.
11:54Shoaib sahab mai phir wohi sawaal dohra hungi.
11:56Kyuki aapka connection lose ho gaya tha.
11:58D-Chok Islamabad mein.
12:00Islamabad D-Chok mein nahi hai.
12:02Toh agar toh Bani Tehreek-e-Insaf ne kaha tha.
12:04Ki Islamabad aayen.
12:06That does not mean ki aap D-Chok jaayen.
12:08Aur aapko pata hai D-Chok ki sensitivity kya hai.
12:10Aur agar unhone yeh go-ahead de diya tha.
12:12Ki Sanjani mein rukhein.
12:14Toh fir Bani Tehreek-e-Insaf ki foresight hai.
12:16Woh baaki saare leader naan.
12:18Baaki saare khaandaan walon se waithar hui.
12:20Unhone kai diya tha ki negotiate karein.
12:22Baaki saare le gaye saare workers ko.
12:24Wahan jo hai woh D-Chok.
12:26Dekhein yeh issue nahi hai.
12:28Sanjani mein jaana hai ya D-Chok.
12:30This is a very big issue Shoaib sahab.
12:32D-Chok mein jaana hai.
12:34Ji ya below area mein jaana hai.
12:36Aapko meri awaaz aa rahi hai?
12:38Ji bilkul aa rahi hai.
12:40Ji ab yeh issue nahi hai.
12:42Issue sef yeh hai ki kya
12:44masoom, nihatte
12:46political workers ki oopar
12:48goliyan chalana jayas hai yeh nahi hai.
12:50Inki nadar mein ji D-Chok
12:52kyun pahunch gaye?
12:54Kya Pakistan ki awaam
12:56D-Chok mein ya even Red Zone ki
12:58mein baat karno. Wahaan nahi pahunch gaye.
13:00Even nahi pahunch gaye.
13:02Kya in logon ne goliyan
13:04nahi maari D-Chok se lekar Kasoom Plaza
13:06D-Chok mein log
13:08maujood the.
13:10I'm sorry I'm cutting you short.
13:12But D-Chok
13:14mein log aaye the.
13:16Issmein koi shak ki baat nahi hai.
13:18So yeh na kahiyega ki D-Chok tak log nahi pahunche.
13:20Aur doosra yeh
13:22ki Sanjani mein last time jab aapko
13:24ehtajaj ka mauka diya tha.
13:26Tab toh koi goli nahi chali thi.
13:28D-Chok mein maamla nahi hua tha.
13:30Sanjani mein baithne mein aur D-Chok mein baithne mein
13:32Shoaib sahab, zameen asmaan ka fark hai.
13:34Zindagi maut ka fark hai.
13:36Leadership ka fark hai.
13:38Islamabad awaam ka hai.
13:40Islamabad ka D-Chok bhi awaam ka hai.
13:42Goli chalane ka haq kisi ko nahi hai.
13:44Yeh jo Yazidiyat ki paidawaar
13:46yeh jo jhoote log yahan baitha hoon hai.
13:48Inko kisne haq diya hai ki yeh goli chalai.
13:50Woh toh keh rahe hai humne goli nahi chalai.
13:52Koi firearms use nahi hue.
13:54Yeh kehna
13:56It is your word against the governments now.
14:02Last time nahi chali koi goli hai Shoaib sahab.
14:06Koi goli, hukumat keh rahi hai ki nahi chalai.
14:08So it is
14:10Shoaib sahab, it is your word
14:12against the governments now.
14:14Na unki baat par yaqeen, na aapki baat par yaqeen.
14:16Yeh jaakar baat jo hai.
14:18Lashen aap keh rahe hain, hazaaron ho gayi.
14:20Senkadon ho gayi. Lashen chhupa nahi karte hain.
14:22Islamabad jaise shehar mein.
14:24It is very clear to you.
14:26Yahaan har journalist boom raha tha mobile ke saath.
14:28Mujhe yeh bataa de.
14:30Hospitals ko kisne
14:32manak kiya hai data re.
14:34Kya yahaan
14:36laal masjid ki lashen uthaa kar ke nahi?
14:38Koi lash us time par chhupi nahi the Shoaib sahab.
14:40Let me correct you on that.
14:42So, I again say
14:44it is your word
14:46against them.
14:50Absolutely. Un rangers aur police walon ka
14:52shahadat na hoti.
14:54This is your word against them.
14:56Toh isliye
14:58is debate mein nahi jate hain.
15:00Until all of us
15:02come together.
15:04Toh isliye
15:06is debate mein nahi jate hain.
15:08Until all of us come together.
15:10Toh isliye
15:12is debate mein nahi jate hain.
15:14Until all of us come together.
15:16Toh isliye
15:18is debate mein nahi jate hain.
15:20Toh isliye
15:22is debate mein nahi jate hain.
15:24Until all of us
15:26come together.
15:28We should have a judicial commission.
15:30We should have a judicial commission.
15:32No commission, no inquiry.
15:34No neutral inquiry is needed.
15:36The bodies are speaking for themselves.
15:38Now let's talk about Moorussi politics, Mr. Shoaib.
15:41I again say that the bodies cannot hide.
15:44Please spread hatred.
15:47PTI will have to stop this work now, Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
15:51As long as you...
15:53You are the people who show videos of everything.
15:57They have the permission to fire bullets.
15:59They are categorically saying no and you are saying yes.
16:02I demand that there should be a neutral inquiry.
16:04You will have to stop it.
16:05Let's go.
16:06A few scoundrels have been arrested.
16:08Through corruption.
16:10And with the help of the establishment.
16:12Through corrupt bureaucracy.
16:14And because they have buried democracy.
16:16They have violated the laws and regulations.
16:18Through the 26th amendment.
16:20They have made the judges do whatever they want.
16:22Mr. Shoaib Shaheen, I got your point.
16:23Now let's talk about Moorussi politics.
16:25On one hand, Ali Mohammad Khan is saying that Moorussi politics should not happen.
16:29On the other hand, Ali Zafar has said that he spoke to Mr. Khan himself.
16:34He said that there will be no place for Moorussi politics in PTI.
16:37What is happening right now.
16:39I have spoken to the leaders of PTI.
16:41And they are saying that we have been mistreated.
16:44By Mr. Khan's family.
16:46Mr. Shoaib Shaheen, did this Jamaat also follow the path of Moorussi politics?
16:50Like all other political parties?
16:53Look, Aniqa.
16:54The first thing is that we did not follow Moorussi politics.
16:58And neither did Mr. Khan.
17:00But to participate in the protest.
17:04Whether it is his wife or his sisters.
17:07This is their right.
17:08Right now, they are not members of the political committee.
17:11Nor are they members of the core committee.
17:13Nor do they have the right to make decisions.
17:15So, one by one, they are coming in front of you.
17:21Some are from their grandfathers.
17:23Some are from their grandfathers.
17:24Some are from their fathers.
17:26Look at all the parties.
17:30Mr. Shoaib, your connection is not working.
17:32Mr. Shoaib, your connection is not working.
17:35But thank you very much for joining me in the program.
17:37One thing is for sure.
17:38If PTI has taken a stand against Moorussi politics.
17:41Then that stand should continue.
17:43Then the 5000-10,000 demands of MNAs and MPAs.
17:46MNAs and MPAs themselves are telling us.
17:48At this time, they are very upset about this.
17:51We will go to the break.
17:52We will come back after the break.
17:53And we will continue this topic.
17:55With a different set of guests.
17:59Welcome back after the break.
18:01Mr. Muzammil Soharwardy and Mr. Saad Rasool are with me.
18:04Both are analysts.
18:05Thank you very much gentlemen for joining me.
18:06Mr. Muzammil, let's start with you.
18:08Was the government sleeping?
18:10Or was he hiding something?
18:13That the day of protest has passed.
18:16Almost a week has passed.
18:19And then he remembered that Murad Saeed was also here.
18:22And he is sitting in the KPK house.
18:24Today the announcement has been made.
18:26I don't understand Mr. Muzammil.
18:28What is this?
18:29This was to be told on the same day.
18:33Maybe the intelligence has told me late.
18:36I am not the translator of the government.
18:37That you ask me this question.
18:39But the information must have reached him late.
18:43The information must have reached him late.
18:45If the information had reached him on time, he would have told me.
18:48But I don't think that he is in the CM House KP.
18:52He is not in Pakistan.
18:54And he can't even be in Pakistan.
18:57I don't believe in this.
18:58And why is that so, Mr. Muzammil?
19:04The kind of tweets he does.
19:06The kind of conversation he does.
19:08If he was in Pakistan, he would have been caught.
19:11He is in the mountains.
19:13I don't think he can do all this in the CM House KP.
19:17And if he has to be picked up, he can be picked up from there as well.
19:21I don't think so that he is there.
19:23So what you are saying Mr. Muzammil.
19:25Yes, complete it.
19:30I definitely think that he is in a nearby area of Afghanistan.
19:35On the Pakistani border.
19:36And I also think that he may not be in Afghanistan.
19:40Some people say that he is in a country in Central Asia.
19:43But I am sure that he is not in Pakistan.
19:45I have an idea that he is not in Pakistan.
19:48But Mr. Muzammil, by virtue of what you are saying,
19:52it seems that you are saying that the information minister is giving wrong information.
19:56That the government which is talking about fake news from the PTI,
19:59is giving fake news as well.
20:01Is that what you are implying?
20:04This is what I understand.
20:08Because I don't believe that if Murad Saeed is in Pakistan,
20:11if he is in the CM House KP,
20:13then the government is so weak that it cannot catch him.
20:18It is not a safe haven.
20:20The kind of accusations, absconders, whatever is on him,
20:24the way his audios are,
20:26he can be arrested.
20:28And if he is not being arrested, then there is a big question mark on him as well.
20:32The CM House KP is not a safe haven.
20:35The law of Pakistan does not apply there.
20:37That is why I don't think that he is in the CM House.
20:40This can be a matter of narrative building.
20:42Look, not a single MNAMPA was arrested from there.
20:45All the MNAMPAs of PTI are putting up their videos that we were at D-Chowk.
20:50And not a single one was arrested.
20:52Arrests were made by the workers.
20:54I don't think it was the strategy of the government to arrest any MNAMPA.
20:57Because they thought that whoever was arrested,
21:00he would go towards heroism.
21:02I don't think the government arrested any MNAMPA, Minister, KPK.
21:09And they are all saying that we were at D-Chowk.
21:12So if we look at it from that perspective,
21:14even if Murad Syed was there,
21:16it was not the strategy of the government to arrest him.
21:18Today, you can say that the rest of the people have been arrested,
21:23and only Murad Syed has survived.
21:25So how did he survive?
21:27When everyone else was arrested, not a single one was arrested from there.
21:30When we let everyone go,
21:32Murad Syed was among them.
21:34So if you are extrapolating, that makes sense.
21:37But do you understand that
21:39there are a lot of allegations against Murad Syed.
21:42The kind of tweets he is making,
21:44the government does not like it at all.
21:48That he is spreading propaganda and all that.
21:50If he was there,
21:52he would have been sitting comfortably in KPK's house
21:54and the government would not be doing anything.
21:56Do you understand Atta Tarar's statement?
22:02Look, I am not in a position to disagree with Muzammil Sahib.
22:07What he said is absolutely right.
22:10I don't think there are pockets in Pakistan
22:14where the law of Pakistan is not applied
22:16or the writ of the state is not applied there.
22:20In fact, the few people with the state,
22:23which includes the police, FIA and all other institutions,
22:27people think that the state enforces its writ in some places
22:32where there was no need for such strictness.
22:36So I agree with Muzammil Sahib
22:39that the information minister's statement does not seem appropriate at all.
22:44But I would like to request your respect
22:47that I am not at all surprised
22:49that the information minister said something
22:52which was neither logical nor logical
22:54nor had anything to do with the reality.
22:56I would like to request your respect
22:59and I would like to criticise the government of Pakistan
23:04with all the love of Pakistanis
23:08so that there is some improvement in the situation
23:10so that there is some improvement in the situation
23:12of the people of Pakistan.
23:17This is a big crisis.
23:19I think this is the biggest crisis
23:21that we have seen in this 26th of November
23:24among many other crises
23:26that there is no credibility of the government.
23:29When the information minister says that
23:31such and such thing did not happen
23:33then no one is ready to believe it.
23:35You can see it on social media,
23:37you can see it on the streets,
23:39you can talk to people.
23:41You can talk to people today
23:43that the information minister said
23:45that the information minister said
23:47that Murad Saeed was present at a particular place
23:50and that such and such person did not shoot
23:52and that such and such person was shot
23:54and that such and such person was lying
23:56and that such and such person was lying
23:58and that such and such person was lying
24:00and that such and such person was lying
24:02and that such and such person was lying
24:04and that such and such person was lying
24:06and that such and such person was lying
24:08and that such and such person was lying
24:10and that such and such person was lying
24:12and that such and such person was lying
24:14And we are really going through a time
24:16from which we have this fork in the road
24:18from which we can get the advantages
24:20and we will also bring vulnerabilities
24:22I demand with great respect from the government
24:25that we will follow the political moves
24:26and talking today and tomorrow
24:28everything will continue
24:31but , need to beThankful to serious people
24:34need to be Thankful to serious people
24:36those people who have thought process
24:38those people who believe in
24:39those people who believe in
24:41those people who have credibility
24:43If this is communicated through them or if the political crisis of 26th November and other times is negotiated, then it would be more appropriate.
24:54I think the information minister is not holding this credibility.
24:57At this time, the polarization has increased so much that maybe the next side, any side, government side, PTI, PTI side, is not ready to believe in the government side.
25:05That is the dilemma that Pakistan is facing at this time.
25:09We are living in a post-truth era.
25:11And this is really the era where whoever speaks, his support is spread without actually confirming whether this news is true or not.
25:21Here in this capital, it is not possible to hide anything in any way.
25:27In addition to having a video camera in everyone's mobile, having a mobile in everyone's hand, having CCTV footages, it is not possible to hide the government or PTI.
25:37Is this not the need of the hour at this time?
25:40That some kind of commission should be made that does all the inquiry neutrally.
25:45Which side's claim is it?
25:47Is it wrong? Is it right?
25:49Look, I am not in favor of making such commissions because I do not like the history of these commissions.
26:08That we have been able to find out the truth through these commissions.
26:12But I do understand that when the cases go to the courts, the truth and lies will be decided in the trial at the time of cross-examination.
26:21And at that time, everything will be revealed.
26:24But it is true that you saw a lot of ambiguity in Atta Tarik's statement today.
26:30But see, the ambiguity is in the narrative of the entire PTI.
26:34That from 278 dead bodies, such videos of Gaza have been put up with Islamabad.
26:41And Palestine has been shown as a blue area.
26:45And Makbuda Kashmir has been shown as Islamabad.
26:49So this has also happened together.
26:51And that has also happened with the state.
26:53That they have shown Israeli soldiers as Pakistani soldiers.
26:56And have shown Gaza.
26:58Their leader sat and said on 278 dead bodies on the mainstream media.
27:03Then I myself was watching a lot of videos.
27:05That a man was being told that he has been shot.
27:09He said, I was his video.
27:11That my hand is fractured.
27:13He was showing his hand.
27:15That I have not been shot.
27:16My hand is fractured.
27:17If I fall.
27:18So there is a lot of ambiguity and a lot of lies on both sides.
27:21You should understand this.
27:23That Tariq-e-Insaf has hegemony on social media.
27:26Absolutely.
27:27The hegemony of their social media is very useful for their fake narrative.
27:32Whether they make an imported government narrative.
27:35Or make a narrative in favor of Trump.
27:38Their cult following was against the intervention of America yesterday.
27:42Today it is in favor of the intervention of America.
27:44So there is no need for logic or argument or anything in that.
27:48They also like the statement of 278 dead bodies.
27:52And other things also look very good.
27:55So I understand that there is no punishment for lying in Pakistan.
28:00The cases of defamation are not decided in this country.
28:03There is an open freedom to lie here.
28:06Because the courts of Pakistan do not consider lying to be a crime.
28:10You said that the matter will go to the courts.
28:14Then all the milk will be water.
28:16If the milk had to be water, then it would have happened in the 9th May case.
28:21So we are still waiting for it.
28:23The trial has not started yet.
28:25So how can you rely on the court?
28:28I will take this question to Saad Rasool.
28:31No, no, let me talk here.
28:33The trial of any 9th May case has not started yet.
28:37There is a Gujranwala case.
28:38There are decisions of bail.
28:39Some have been bailed, some have not been bailed.
28:41When the trial starts, we will know.
28:43Saad Rasool has a command over the law.
28:46There is a difference between a trial and a bail.
28:49Yes, Saad Rasool.
28:52Look, I am not disagreeing with Mr. Muzammil about the trial and bail.
28:57There is a tentative assessment of fact in the bail.
28:59There is a deeper assessment in the trial.
29:01This is true.
29:02But I would like to ask for permission to disagree with a few of his requests.
29:10The first thing is that lies are not a big thing for the courts.
29:15It is true that the laws of our defamation are very bad.
29:18But please do not keep this to the courts.
29:22Lies are not a big thing for our politicians.
29:25We have seen that there were no properties in Pakistan.
29:31Lies are not a big thing for our social media.
29:35Lies are not a big thing for our police.
29:38We have seen in NAB that there were speeches on one side.
29:41Not for a day or two, but for three years.
29:43There were speeches that this person is a thief.
29:46We have irrefutable evidence.
29:51Then NAB came and said that we want to take the case back.
29:54So do not keep the distinction of lying to the courts.
29:58I think this is in all aspects of society.
30:00The second thing that I would like to disagree with Mr. Muzammil is that
30:05it is true that he used the word hegemony on PTI's social media.
30:10If not hegemony, then there is a majority.
30:15But I think where there is a misunderstanding,
30:19and it should be reconsidered by the state and the government,
30:23is that all the people who are criticizing the government are not from PTI.
30:28There are people in Pakistan who use social media,
30:33who are not related to PTI, but are criticizing the government.
30:38If you criticize the entire government,
30:41whether it is on this event, or the day before, or the day after, or today,
30:46if you say that social media is the hegemony of PTI,
30:51then a 20-year-old child who uses Twitter,
30:56who studies in a college or university,
30:58if he criticizes the government,
31:00and you say that social media is the hegemony of PTI,
31:04then you will lose him in politics.
31:07The state will lose him.
31:09The state has made him a target of such criticism,
31:12which he could not tolerate.
31:15He was criticizing. He lives in a government. He lives in a country.
31:18In his opinion, the government is not doing well. He criticized.
31:21If you start calling him a bully from day one,
31:24then the concession that you should create,
31:26that some of the criticism is genuine,
31:28that it is the hegemony of a party, that it is the voice of the people,
31:32you should accept that.
31:34That being in the government,
31:36this is a part and parcel of it, that you will be criticized.
31:40Because decisions are difficult for the government.
31:42There is also inflation.
31:44This was also for Imran Khan.
31:46He is also a Sadiq in this government at this time.
31:48When you come to power,
31:50then you have to raise your heart a little.
31:53You have to make people feel that you can criticize.
31:59But Mr. Muzammil Saurwati,
32:01at the end of the day,
32:03there is a voice within the PTI,
32:05within Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
32:09And undoubtedly, off the record,
32:11even before this, one or two years ago,
32:13when the Punjab government was in power,
32:15Mr. Buzar,
32:17that is when these voices were being raised.
32:19Now they are coming forward.
32:21Everybody is saying that there should be no concession.
32:23Do you think the PTI is on the same track
32:27that all the other political parties were on?
32:29Or is it something different?
32:59We have seen the family of Chaudhary Zahoor-e-Ilahi.
33:17We have also seen the sisters of Chaudhary Shujaat.
33:19We have also seen the sisters of Chaudhary Zahoor-e-Ilahi.
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