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00:00We have to accept the fact that when we are separated, we don't say,
00:04Oh, our child understands.
00:06Actually, it's not okay.
00:08Like there was one time during Eid,
00:10the month of fasting, we were in KLCC.
00:13I wanted to go shopping for him.
00:14So there was one person, he saw the person's mother holding his son's hand,
00:18as big as him.
00:20Then he was like, Dad, if there's a mother, that's great, right?
00:23So I was like, sitting down.
00:26So we were like, sad, right?
00:29He knew what he wanted.
00:30And he showed his rebellious attitude at the orphanage.
00:34Every time he wanted to go back to the hostel, he said,
00:36Why do I have to go back to hell school?
00:38All these other people have come, Mom, Dad.
00:40Do you understand?
00:41Even though I went there once,
00:43he wanted us both.
00:45Yes.
00:46And that's what made me feel,
00:48Adam, I will give it back to you.
00:51What mistakes did I make, and what you feel lost,
00:54I will give it back to you.
01:00Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
01:03You are back with me, Sudirman Wattahir,
01:05in Konfession Bilik Gelap.
01:06And especially this week, I have one more guest,
01:09whom I respect a lot.
01:11Legend and music of our country.
01:13Dato' Hatan.
01:14Assalamualaikum Sudir, how are you?
01:16I'm fine, Alhamdulillah.
01:17Alhamdulillah, thank you.
01:19There's no such legend.
01:2043 years, Abang. Legend.
01:23Dato' Hatan.
01:25At your age,
01:28Yes, okay, Abang.
01:29At the age of 4 decades,
01:33still running as a singer,
01:36still running to make a large-scale concert.
01:41What are the tips, Abang?
01:43One, I think, is the sustenance.
01:46This is all Allah's sustenance.
01:48And one more, we have to be active,
01:52we have to show that
01:55we are still active in the industry
01:59and people still say
02:02that there is no term
02:06to reduce movement.
02:09Though at one time I said
02:11that I wanted to grow up,
02:14but when it was Eid,
02:18before my younger brother breathed his last breath,
02:23we debated and he disagreed
02:30when he said,
02:32why do you want to resign?
02:34Why do you want to retire?
02:36Because God gave it to you,
02:38this such talent,
02:39everyone wants this talent,
02:40you get it, you want to quit.
02:42And you still,
02:45he said, people pay high
02:48to show or something,
02:49but why do you want to resign?
02:51I was silent.
02:53Why, he said.
02:55Well, he said,
02:56all this sustenance comes from God,
02:59all this,
03:00I was silent.
03:02Then when I returned to KL,
03:04when he passed away,
03:07two days after that,
03:09I said,
03:11this is his last message.
03:14Right?
03:15Then I realized,
03:19maybe he knew,
03:20he wanted to go,
03:21he said.
03:22Then,
03:23at that time,
03:24he also said,
03:25at least later,
03:26when people pay you,
03:28you can help a lot of people.
03:30Apparently,
03:31he said,
03:32maybe I can help
03:34my nephew,
03:35his son.
03:36And this is true,
03:37and then I,
03:38my decision,
03:40I said,
03:41okay,
03:42so let's proceed.
03:43Then,
03:44my sister said,
03:45okay,
03:46let's proceed.
03:47After that,
03:48a lot of shows came,
03:50sustenance,
03:51concerts,
03:53tours,
03:55so things like that,
03:57maybe there is one thing
03:59that Allah wants me to share
04:02with everyone.
04:05And one thing too,
04:06when we mention the name of Dato' Hattan,
04:09besides his stamina,
04:11his voice,
04:12people still say,
04:14yes,
04:15the power is still,
04:17we listen to the old songs of Dato' Hattan,
04:19it's the same,
04:20until now too,
04:21and can succeed,
04:23another concert that will come in February,
04:258 February,
04:28Ita Manis concert,
04:29together with Akim and also,
04:31sorry,
04:32Black and also Hazama.
04:35And that concert,
04:37his deal also happened
04:39in two days.
04:41It's like magic too,
04:43because someone called,
04:44he said,
04:45want to do a concert,
04:46then he said,
04:47if you want to do a concert,
04:48you can,
04:49but I don't want solo,
04:51I've done a lot of solo,
04:53I want to do something different.
04:56I said,
04:57I want,
04:58but it's up to you,
05:00who you want to choose.
05:01And then he said,
05:02so and so,
05:04the artist he wanted to say,
05:05okay,
05:06he said,
05:07it's good too,
05:08because I have chemistry with them.
05:10True.
05:11And then he wanted to do that,
05:12he wanted to,
05:13okay,
05:14let's proceed.
05:15And when we proceed,
05:16two days,
05:17that thing,
05:18we were like,
05:19have you signed an agreement?
05:20So fast.
05:21Right?
05:22Okay.
05:23Then they set up the team,
05:24then the phone,
05:25and Hazama also agreed,
05:27Black also agreed,
05:28and they also really,
05:30we are really close.
05:31True.
05:32Abang and Black,
05:33and Hazama,
05:34we are close.
05:35If there is no concert,
05:36we will always
05:37call each other,
05:38right?
05:39Like siblings,
05:40spoiled.
05:41Yes.
05:42These two are spoiled,
05:43their money devil.
05:45There is no song.
05:46Yes.
05:47They are like brothers.
05:48Abang and Adik.
05:49Abang and Adik.
05:50So,
05:51that thing happened,
05:52so,
05:53and
05:54on the 8th of February,
05:55we will,
05:57the concert,
05:58and,
05:59what,
06:00the early stages,
06:01photo session,
06:02everything has started.
06:03True.
06:04And,
06:05we have chosen the song,
06:06the song,
06:07what song we want to do,
06:08what concept we want to do.
06:10But,
06:11we just said,
06:13it's not a rock concert.
06:14Okay.
06:15It's a concert that,
06:17we want to sing,
06:18what a delicious song.
06:19Okay.
06:20True.
06:21Yes.
06:22It's not like we want distortion,
06:23all the way.
06:24We want,
06:25like,
06:26sing a delicious song.
06:27Let people be entertained.
06:28Let people be entertained.
06:30And,
06:31everybody has their own history.
06:33True.
06:34And,
06:35I have chemistry with them,
06:37there's a song,
06:38and,
06:39in the concert,
06:40we also,
06:42we have,
06:44tribute to,
06:45Almarhum Abang JJ.
06:47Oh, okay.
06:48Right?
06:49True.
06:50Because,
06:51Abang JJ,
06:52he has a lot of,
06:53his involvement in,
06:55in my album,
06:56especially,
06:57both in terms of backing vocals,
06:59both in terms of,
07:00his mind base,
07:01all of it,
07:02Abang JJ has contributed a lot,
07:03even though he doesn't speak,
07:04Abang JJ plays.
07:06Songs,
07:08a lot of hit songs,
07:09Abang JJ plays.
07:11So,
07:12and,
07:13I really adore,
07:14Almarhum.
07:16He's a very nice person,
07:18cool all the time,
07:19all the time,
07:20and,
07:21I salute him.
07:22But,
07:23it's confusing,
07:24right,
07:25Abang,
07:26to choose this song,
07:27because,
07:28it's a sad song.
07:29Yes, it's confusing.
07:30Because,
07:31we have a jailer,
07:32if you want to present it.
07:33It's a sad song.
07:34So,
07:35we choose,
07:36the hits,
07:37Okay.
07:38and,
07:39it's delicious,
07:40and people will,
07:41easily remember.
07:42It's the same with,
07:43Black,
07:44and me.
07:45And,
07:46there's also,
07:47we will,
07:48what do people say?
07:51We,
07:52duet.
07:53Duet.
07:54And,
07:55the song that we duet,
07:56it's not necessarily our song.
07:57The song of people that we appreciate,
07:58we sing,
07:59and we duet.
08:01For example.
08:02So,
08:03people say.
08:04Variety.
08:05People,
08:06the variety,
08:07everyone,
08:08like,
08:09we want the song,
08:10everyone,
08:11we sing it,
08:12everyone knows.
08:13Right.
08:14There's no song that we sing,
08:15people don't know.
08:16If possible.
08:17Right.
08:18Abang,
08:19every time you do a performance,
08:20we know,
08:21not once or twice,
08:22you do a performance,
08:23on a large scale.
08:24If maybe,
08:25this old singer,
08:26he has his own tips,
08:27right,
08:28in terms of taking care,
08:29voice,
08:30and appearance,
08:31and so on.
08:32Like,
08:33do you have any tips,
08:34so that,
08:35well,
08:36the voice doesn't disappear,
08:37the voice doesn't,
08:38doesn't hurt.
08:39Actually,
08:40stamina is very important.
08:41Okay.
08:42Stamina is very important,
08:43and,
08:44first of all,
08:45I've stopped smoking,
08:46everything.
08:47So,
08:48there's an advantage there,
08:49a little bit of stamina.
08:50But,
08:51whatever,
08:52at least we're old.
08:53Right.
08:54We have to take stamina too.
08:55For example,
08:56like,
08:57I've started,
08:58Abang really,
08:59play golf.
09:00Okay.
09:01So,
09:02if we used to ride a buggy,
09:03now we,
09:04walk.
09:05Walk.
09:06So,
09:07if we walk once,
09:08we finish in,
09:0910 kilometers,
09:1011 kilometers,
09:11which is,
09:12should be okay.
09:13Right.
09:14And,
09:15walk around the house,
09:16everything,
09:17and that's it.
09:18And a few plans,
09:19sometimes I swim too.
09:20Oh.
09:21Do you have tips for your voice?
09:22I mean,
09:23yes,
09:24you can't drink water.
09:25For example,
09:26you have to drink this water only.
09:27At that time,
09:28I didn't have that kind of attitude.
09:30The only thing,
09:31I noticed one thing,
09:33if it's like before the show,
09:34we don't eat oily.
09:36Okay.
09:37Right before the show,
09:38we don't eat oily.
09:39Like we show at 9 o'clock,
09:40we eat last,
09:41we're at 6 o'clock.
09:42Hmm.
09:43Don't we,
09:44give it too oily,
09:45no.
09:46Have you ever,
09:47throughout this success,
09:48the voice,
09:51hurt?
09:52I mean,
09:53lost?
09:54Oh yes,
09:55in 1992.
09:57Oh.
09:58Right after,
09:59right after,
10:00at that time,
10:01I was in the final,
10:02AJL.
10:03Yes.
10:04Aligarh Shadu,
10:05right?
10:06Right.
10:07The next day,
10:08there was a show,
10:09for a shipping company.
10:11And I didn't have a voice.
10:12Hmm.
10:13I didn't have a voice.
10:15I said,
10:16why do I have a voice?
10:17After that,
10:18it's like going back to money,
10:19right?
10:20Then they said,
10:21it's okay.
10:22They do understand.
10:23So,
10:24I tried my very best already,
10:25but it didn't come out.
10:26There was a time,
10:27even at the age of ten,
10:28I had to pull myself together.
10:29When the voice didn't come out,
10:30I hoped,
10:31I had to sing,
10:32right?
10:33Because of things,
10:34I don't know what the cause was.
10:35But at that time,
10:37after,
10:38hmm,
10:41a month after that,
10:42it was cured.
10:43Hmm.
10:44But after that,
10:45hmm,
10:46I got that weakness again.
10:48Again,
10:49again.
10:50He wants to give the second round.
10:51The second round too,
10:52right?
10:53Hmm.
10:54But at that time,
10:55I went to see,
10:56at that time,
10:57hmm,
10:58Tuan,
10:59hmm,
11:00what's his name,
11:01Tuan,
11:02hmm,
11:03he helped.
11:04So,
11:05we do it in a traditional way.
11:06Oh.
11:07And Alhamdulillah.
11:08Okay.
11:09Right?
11:10Brother,
11:11when,
11:12yes,
11:13we talk about voice,
11:14right?
11:15We know,
11:16every singer will have their own advantages,
11:17right?
11:18Hmm.
11:19To differentiate,
11:20hmm,
11:21the singer,
11:22hmm,
11:23if the singer,
11:24people say,
11:25hmm,
11:26to know the singer too,
11:27sometimes,
11:28we hear his voice,
11:29okay.
11:30His tone.
11:31His tone.
11:32Okay,
11:33he's the singer,
11:34and so on.
11:35Like you,
11:36hmm,
11:37for four decades,
11:38hmm,
11:39have you ever,
11:40hmm,
11:41mean the process,
11:42going to a vocal class too,
11:43or is it your own,
11:44your own,
11:45it all happened?
11:46That is,
11:47hmm,
11:48I think this is the blessing,
11:49hmm,
11:50that Allah gave to me.
11:51Hmm.
11:52There is,
11:53natural born talent.
11:54Hmm.
11:55Right,
11:56hmm,
11:57I used to study,
11:58when I first started,
11:59I studied with,
12:00hmm,
12:01Dato M.
12:02Hmm.
12:03I studied vocal in the 90s.
12:04Early,
12:05early.
12:06Early,
12:07hmm,
12:08and time to take the bus,
12:09hmm,
12:10to go,
12:11hmm,
12:12to Sungai Bulu,
12:13hmm,
12:14hmm,
12:15hmm,
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12:51hmm,
12:52Who was the first one to introduce you to the industry?
12:56Who was the first one to know that you were going to go far?
13:00Actually, at that time, it was my own will.
13:04It was my own will, and I was looking for someone to bring me along.
13:15You wanted to be a singer, right?
13:16Yes, I wanted to be a singer.
13:18It was around 1985 or 1986.
13:22At that time, in front of the McDonald's Bangsa,
13:25it wasn't even Maybank yet.
13:28At that time, there were stalls of burgers.
13:33I met M. Nasir there for the first time.
13:35It was 1986, if I'm not mistaken.
13:38At that time, I approached him directly.
13:44What do you think? I want to be a singer.
13:46I still remember he asked,
13:49Are you good?
13:50At that time, we panicked.
13:52He said, good.
13:55We should have been like, I don't know.
13:56But it was like a panic.
13:58But after that, it ended there.
14:00I joined a group that fought against piracy.
14:07They had an office at that time.
14:11I was involved in the fight against piracy.
14:16There were many of them, like Kopratasa.
14:18After that, the first people who brought me along were
14:25Abang Daud and Abang Rosli Rafi.
14:28They introduced me to them.
14:32But at that time, you were already determined to be a singer, right?
14:37I didn't have any other thoughts.
14:39By profession, I was an auditor.
14:42But if people already knew about music,
14:47we didn't want to do anything else.
14:49For example, Maesana.
14:51He had a good degree.
14:54He worked that day.
14:58After that, he couldn't work anymore.
15:00When he stopped making music, I knew.
15:04I knew.
15:06I used to be like this.
15:08So, I let him free to decide whatever he wanted to do.
15:12As long as you have a qualification.
15:14So, you decide.
15:16But in your family, are there any artists?
15:20No, but many of my siblings can sing.
15:24They can play music.
15:26But not seriously.
15:28Because some of them are accountants.
15:30My father was an accountant, but he liked music.
15:32So, because he liked music,
15:34he threw it away.
15:36He liked to do events that involve music, bands, etc.
15:40When you were already known in the music industry,
15:44we know that in your time,
15:46music, rock and roll, etc.
15:48were getting more and more popular, right?
15:50The first time you got a show,
15:52and then you got paid,
15:54how did you feel?
15:56The first time we didn't get paid.
15:58The first time we did a concert,
16:01it was quite big,
16:03in Batu Kurau.
16:05I did a show,
16:07and then we didn't get paid.
16:09We became a fuel for the hotel.
16:11Because we were promoters,
16:13we didn't pay for the hotel.
16:15And then,
16:17luckily, Kopratasa,
16:19had their own theater.
16:23We went back to KL,
16:25we didn't have a bus anymore.
16:27We took a train,
16:29and then,
16:31we paid for the ticket.
16:33We used the money from the theater.
16:35The promoters didn't pay for the show?
16:37The promoters didn't pay for us.
16:39I see.
16:41That's the experience.
16:43And I'm grateful
16:45that I got that experience,
16:47because we couldn't buy it with money.
16:49The experience, right?
16:51The first show,
16:53how much did we get paid?
16:55500?
16:57500 or 300?
16:59But at that time,
17:01it was enough.
17:03And then,
17:05it went up,
17:07according to our value.
17:09That's right.
17:11And starting from there,
17:13it got bigger.
17:15We had a funfair.
17:17So, when we went to the funfair,
17:19it was our training ground.
17:21That's why,
17:23most of the people involved in the funfair
17:25like,
17:27a lot of bands performed at the funfair.
17:29Like,
17:31XPDC,
17:33XPDC Wings,
17:35May, all of them were great.
17:37At that time,
17:39if we didn't go to the funfair,
17:41we didn't earn,
17:43because if we went to the funfair,
17:45we would get 60-40 with the funfair ticket.
17:47We earned 60,
17:49the funfair took 40.
17:51So, that's how it went.
17:53So, we went to the funfair 2-3 times a week.
17:55That's why,
17:57most of the people involved in the bash,
17:59didn't have a problem singing live.
18:01And at that time,
18:03the funfair was a competition, right?
18:05Oh yes, because every funfair,
18:07they didn't sing 2 songs.
18:09It was like a concert.
18:11Now, it's like a food festival.
18:13But it's free.
18:15But at the funfair,
18:17people are paying,
18:19even 5-6 ringgit,
18:21that's the difference.
18:23That's what brought back the 5-6 ringgit.
18:25There are also people who got cheated
18:27at the funfair.
18:29But,
18:31we played that for years.
18:33And in the past,
18:35every country
18:37had a festival.
18:39If you all remember,
18:41Pesta Kedah, Pesta Pindang,
18:43Pesta Pindang until today,
18:45Pesta Pidi is over,
18:47Pesta Keluang,
18:50in the past,
18:52we didn't sing 1-2 songs.
18:54We did it one by one.
18:56Yes, right?
18:58People wanted to see more.
19:00But the crowd was full.
19:02That was the best.
19:04Abang,
19:06other than being cheated,
19:08not being paid,
19:10if you were to tell us
19:12a moment that you will remember
19:14forever and will be told
19:16to your grandchildren,
19:18about your success
19:20throughout this year.
19:22Success.
19:24There was a time when
19:26we were just starting out.
19:28When we were singing
19:30at...
19:32where was it?
19:34Ah!
19:36That was a memory.
19:38Me and Arwah Bob.
19:40Arwah Bob was
19:42half of my career.
19:44Me and Arwah Bob.
19:46At that time, we had a show
19:48at a funfair.
19:50At every funfair,
19:52there was a promoter.
19:54This promoter,
19:56at night, after the show,
19:58there were a lot of people.
20:00He was at the border.
20:02At Greek.
20:04There were a lot of people.
20:06But at that time, Tokay,
20:08even Arwah,
20:10but this is just a story.
20:12He said,
20:14when he came,
20:16he was like,
20:18I hope it's Pagar Bocor.
20:20At that time, we already knew
20:22that we had to do it.
20:24We couldn't do it.
20:26Confirmed, he said Pagar Bocor.
20:28It's okay.
20:30He gave us
20:32around RM100.
20:34He didn't even let us pay for the van.
20:36After that, we had to pay for the van.
20:38So, that night...
20:40But at that time,
20:42I was a solo singer.
20:44But I went down to the band.
20:46We got the money and we gave it equally.
20:48Because I thought we were a band.
20:50So, what we did is,
20:52we were so angry.
20:54We rolled the mattress
20:56at the rest house
20:58that we took a bath in.
21:02After that,
21:04I remember we stopped at
21:06Tanjung Malim
21:08to buy a tie.
21:10After that,
21:12we stopped at Makan Nasi Lemak.
21:14There were a lot of people.
21:16The money was enough to fill the gas tank.
21:18The balance was enough
21:20to buy a tie and eat.
21:22That's what we said
21:24at the tie concert.
21:26About eating
21:28a tie with lemak.
21:30Even if we want to eat more, we're afraid we can't.
21:32So, that's a memory
21:34that I think is very bitter,
21:36but sweet.
21:38After that,
21:40we still remember that day.
21:42We bought a tie
21:44and stopped at Makan Nasi Lemak.
21:46I don't think the artist
21:48felt what we felt.
21:50They didn't.
21:52The new artists
21:54don't feel it because
21:56people already know them on social media.
21:58We are fighters.
22:00We are survivors.
22:02We survive like that.
22:04That's a memory that I think
22:06my son wouldn't believe.
22:08Do you understand?
22:10He can't even imagine
22:12the situation.
22:14That's what we
22:16showed at
22:18Slim River.
22:20The promoter said there was a room.
22:22There wasn't a room.
22:24We wanted to take a shower.
22:26We took a walk
22:28under the river.
22:30Yes.
22:32We brought towels.
22:34So, all those things
22:36the artists don't go through now.
22:38We go through.
22:40It's not easy to reach
22:42this stage now.
22:44So, our struggle
22:46is a struggle.
22:48This is what people say
22:50through the process.
22:52What Almarhum Muhammad Khalid said
22:54is true.
22:56True.
22:58He studied it.
23:00Yes.
23:02I feel like
23:04if we don't have that experience,
23:06I don't think we will
23:08realize it.
23:10It makes us learn
23:12and become stronger.
23:14Have you ever been through
23:16rejection?
23:18Rejection?
23:20For example, people propose
23:22and you don't want it.
23:24Yes, I have.
23:26Now, it's people's taste.
23:28We can't do anything.
23:30I always think positively.
23:32It's okay if we don't want it.
23:34It's a business.
23:36Sometimes, we want to wear the shoes
23:38but we don't want it.
23:40We change it.
23:42To me, it's not a problem.
23:44It's a blessing.
23:48It's not a problem.
23:50It's a blessing.
23:52Sometimes,
23:54because we don't want it,
23:56we give it to others.
23:58We have to think like that.
24:00We have to think positively.
24:02It's okay if we don't want it.
24:04It's a blessing to others.
24:06I'm okay with that.
24:08When the times change,
24:10we know that there are more
24:12new singers.
24:14When we enter
24:16a new phase
24:18in the music industry,
24:20there are more singers.
24:22There are more things happening.
24:24I see
24:26Is there a gap
24:28between old and new singers
24:30if you look at it today?
24:32The gap
24:34looks like there's no gap, but there is.
24:36The gap is
24:38like
24:40an artist.
24:42It's new.
24:44If you want to do a concert,
24:46there's not enough bullets to go to war.
24:48Okay.
24:50Because there's no album.
24:52Do you understand?
24:54Singles.
24:56Singles.
24:58Okay.
25:00I saw it on Facebook yesterday.
25:02An artist.
25:04He always sings
25:06other people's songs.
25:08Why?
25:10Don't they have their own songs?
25:12No.
25:14Because the albums are getting slower.
25:16Okay.
25:18Maybe there are
25:20a lot of singles.
25:22In the past,
25:24if we remember,
25:26for example,
25:28there was a CD era.
25:30CD era?
25:32We put it in the car.
25:34We understand the whole album.
25:36If it's an artist we like, we listen to it.
25:38Side A, Side B.
25:40But now,
25:42we only listen to the single.
25:44One song.
25:46Then when it's on the show,
25:48we know that maybe he won AJL.
25:50So for him to do a show,
25:52a concert,
25:54we can see it now.
25:56How many people are doing concerts now?
25:58All are old people.
26:00There are new ones.
26:04But
26:06there are not many
26:08seniors.
26:10Even if we look at it,
26:12if a senior artist wants to do a concert,
26:14the tickets are sold out.
26:16People want to see their performances too.
26:18The fans believe that
26:20the songs that will be played
26:22are the songs of all Singalong people.
26:24That's why
26:26Radio Sinan is still strong.
26:28Because of our songs.
26:30Maybe there are new ones,
26:32but
26:34I understand about new artists.
26:36Even my son.
26:40He has a different taste.
26:42He listens to different songs.
26:44So because
26:46maybe the lack of products in the country
26:48makes them change their
26:50view of Western songs.
26:52Like Adam.
26:54He likes it.
26:56He does a lot of collaborations
26:58with his friends.
27:00But still,
27:02even if it's like Yoni,
27:04he has 1-2 songs, 3-4 hits.
27:06But can he hold
27:08the concert? Not yet.
27:12When we talk about your legacy,
27:14you're Adam's son.
27:18If you talk at home,
27:20do you talk about music?
27:24Sometimes. Or do you forbid it?
27:26No. I'm okay with it.
27:30Me and my son,
27:32we're quite open.
27:36We talk about
27:40serious things in music.
27:42What you want to do.
27:44And he has
27:46a strong spirit
27:48in himself.
27:50My character.
27:52He does it, but
27:54he shows what he can do.
27:56He proves it.
27:58That's one thing I like about my son.
28:00But his taste in music,
28:02his taste in music,
28:04half of the people, maybe his father sings like this.
28:06Even when he was little,
28:08I gave him Guns N' Roses, U2.
28:10He's not into it.
28:12He listens to the songs, but he's into
28:14the world of music.
28:16Does he know that his father is a person
28:18who talks about our industry?
28:20He doesn't like it when people know he's like my son.
28:22He doesn't like it.
28:24Once, he was like...
28:26Jacqueline Victor called me,
28:28he met Jacqueline,
28:30he said...
28:32At that time, he was working at
28:34a TV station.
28:36He said to Jacqueline,
28:38I don't think you know my father.
28:40My father is also involved in music, but
28:42I don't think you know him.
28:44So, Jacqueline said, who's your father?
28:46He said,
28:48Are you crazy?
28:50Then, Jacqueline said,
28:52Your son is crazy?
28:54He doesn't like
28:56people
28:58knowing him.
29:00He wants to be on his own.
29:02If possible, he avoids it.
29:04He doesn't want to.
29:06He knows that his father is a person...
29:08He doesn't want to.
29:10He has his own mission.
29:12He has his own mission.
29:14And you can see his talent, right?
29:16Yes, he has a lot.
29:18He makes jingles,
29:20he does his job.
29:22Lately, I have a program
29:24where he makes his own
29:26jingles.
29:28What is your advice
29:30for Adam?
29:32Because you have gone through
29:34a lot.
29:36It's not easy
29:38to be a singer, right?
29:40If possible, I want Adam to be a doctor first.
29:42But he chose,
29:44when he entered the university,
29:46he chose
29:48an international course,
29:50an event with PR.
29:52And when he was chosen,
29:54we know that, right?
29:56At night, we went to eat,
29:58he said he didn't want
30:00to take the A-Level.
30:02He knows that we have to pay.
30:04Then he said, I'm okay.
30:06He said, it's okay, do whatever you like.
30:08I used to teach my son,
30:10whatever you want to do.
30:12Adam is from boarding school,
30:14so he went out.
30:16He said he couldn't do it live.
30:18Then it's okay.
30:20So promise you'll score.
30:22And he scored.
30:24Alhamdulillah, he's a smart kid.
30:26We don't want to say he's our son,
30:28but he's really smart.
30:30After that,
30:32he's qualified in university,
30:34he's good. Alhamdulillah,
30:36he got his degree.
30:38And then after that,
30:40do whatever you want to do.
30:42Do whatever you want to do.
30:44If you want to make music,
30:46whatever you want to do,
30:48to me, be serious.
30:50Make sure you can live easily with this.
30:52Without forgetting
30:54what we teach
30:56as a Muslim.
30:58You have to do it.
31:00That's what I put in him.
31:02And he's more enthusiastic, right?
31:04Yes, and he's not
31:06the type to smoke.
31:08He's not
31:10the type to go out at night.
31:12And he's good.
31:14If he works, he won't
31:16work, work, work.
31:18And he has his purpose.
31:20When he chooses to be someone
31:22involved in the music industry,
31:24he knows that this is his purpose.
31:26And it's not the time
31:28to try, try, try.
31:30No, he's not like that.
31:32Until his mother said,
31:34Adam, get married.
31:36Then he said, not yet, you ask me back when I'm 28 or 30.
31:38How old is he now?
31:4026, 25,
31:4225, it must be 26.
31:4426.
31:46So when we talk about marriage,
31:48bro, bring the kids out,
31:50people will be angry.
31:52Because of marriage.
31:54No, no, no, no, no.
31:56Not ready yet.
31:58He always thinks
32:00before this, before that.
32:02You, he said, when you get
32:04married to me, I'm just stepping.
32:06You have everything ready. I want more than that.
32:08I said, okay.
32:10Actually, it's good.
32:12Right? Bro,
32:14when we touch
32:16about marriage, right? We know
32:18the journey
32:20in terms of
32:22relationship, right? People say
32:24it's the second chance to
32:26get back together with the wife.
32:30Definition as, well, we can see
32:32one definition, this is the real
32:34fate, right?
32:36Separated and finally.
32:38We get married, then we
32:40separate for
32:429 years, then we get back together
32:44again, right? So not everyone
32:46has that thing. I'm grateful.
32:48I was chosen as one
32:50sustenance that God gave me.
32:52For me, it's a sustenance
32:54that was born
32:56from repentance.
32:58Maybe we used to
33:00at first, we
33:02with our own heads. We feel
33:04we're right. We don't
33:06feel like we can discuss
33:08well. And that thing
33:10when we know what our
33:12mistakes are, and we repent
33:14that, God willing,
33:16we get back what we want.
33:18How long do you want to convince
33:20your sister to get back together?
33:22I never give up.
33:24I haven't given up for 9 years.
33:26I don't give up.
33:28And she
33:30wants us
33:32too.
33:34Do you still feel that way?
33:36I feel
33:38deep love.
33:40She can't let go.
33:42And
33:44regret. Until we
33:46make songs. I made an album
33:48Indrawala. Most of the songs
33:50are for her.
33:52Even in the song
33:54Kekal.
33:56Many songs are all
33:58first love. All
34:00for my sister. Don't get too excited.
34:02But does she understand the songs
34:04are for her? I tell.
34:06I told her.
34:08And
34:10even the song
34:12the song
34:14was created before
34:16we broke up. But
34:18at that time Adam was just born and I recorded it.
34:20The song was a big hit
34:22on the road. But after
34:24we broke up, I like to sing that song.
34:26And the song
34:28is very strong. When we
34:30broke up, its feel was different.
34:329 years
34:349 years. What do people
34:36say? It's strong to
34:38get back together. Yes.
34:40If it's 9, there's a poem.
34:42Masak siput dalam belangor
34:44Masak siput kelimu wai
34:46Elok aja yang lama. Yang lama itu
34:48suai lah. Betul.
34:50Abang, sorry
34:52if I ask.
34:54Taking the first decision when
34:56we broke up, right? And in the end
34:58you think, is there a
35:00regret for you? Making that
35:02decision at that time? For me
35:04it's a challenge, a test that
35:06is big in life.
35:08Okay. And that thing happened
35:10even though it's good,
35:12we know where
35:14we have a barrier as a husband
35:16where we have a barrier as a wife.
35:18And we
35:20know what we can do
35:22what we can't do.
35:24And that's a big
35:26regret in my life.
35:28And when I pray
35:30to Allah
35:32every time I pray, and when
35:34we pray
35:36to return that thing, and
35:38we get it, and I
35:40know my prayer is accepted.
35:42Do you remember
35:44the moment when you wanted to
35:46get back together with your sister?
35:48Respond to her.
35:50Oh, respond to her.
35:52At that time
35:56my sister
35:58at that time married my brother.
36:00Actually, I
36:02was just
36:04awkward. At that time, I had
36:06no stage. It's okay, I've been trying for years.
36:08If you want it or not, it's okay.
36:10I understand. Maybe
36:12you have. Then I said,
36:14Adam wants to ask
36:16Aciam to get married.
36:18When we get married,
36:20let Aciam do it.
36:22So, I got the signal.
36:24Okay. Then I'm happy.
36:26But actually what made me
36:28chase him, he has a reason.
36:30It's about Adam. Okay.
36:32Adam and the whole
36:34family of my family
36:36want anything,
36:38even my sister
36:40wants Ariana, even my
36:42sister. If my sister is okay,
36:44support, like that.
36:46A little Ariana, Ariana, Ariana,
36:48all my siblings, he
36:50used to be very close to his siblings.
36:52So, even we
36:54have bonding, he still
36:56has a relationship with my family.
36:58Brother, Adam
37:00understood at that time that his father
37:02and mother were not together. He understood.
37:04He understood, but he
37:06said, but he through
37:08hints, like there was one
37:10time, it was Eid,
37:12we were in KLCC.
37:14I want to go shopping for him.
37:16So,
37:18I was holding his hand, like that.
37:20So, there was one person,
37:22what's his name?
37:24He saw the person, his mother, holding
37:26his son's hand, as big as him.
37:28Then he, like
37:30his father, if he had a mother, that would be great, right?
37:32So, I was like sitting down.
37:34So, we were like
37:36sad, right? He knew what he wanted.
37:38And when he went
37:40to Form 1, he
37:42went to boarding school,
37:44I knew that
37:46he wanted
37:48his mother to come.
37:50He wanted that.
37:52And he showed his rebellious attitude
37:54at the hostel.
37:56And he
37:58every time he wanted to go back to the hostel,
38:00he said, why do I have to go back to hell school?
38:02Everyone else came, mom, dad.
38:04Do you understand? Even though
38:06I went once, he wanted
38:08both of us.
38:10And that's what made me feel
38:12Adam, I will give it
38:14back to you. What mistake
38:16I made, and you feel lost,
38:18I will give it back to you.
38:20And when we
38:22settled back, he became
38:24very focused on his studies,
38:26he was very grateful.
38:28Right?
38:30It's true, the second chance,
38:32it's not always, it's not easy
38:34to get that chance.
38:36His studies were
38:38no problem.
38:40Apparently, that thing
38:42we have to accept the fact
38:44that when we separate, we don't say
38:46oh, our child understands.
38:48He understands, but
38:50these children understand.
38:52So, I want to share with everyone out there,
38:54please think about that.
38:56Because that's a suffering
38:58for them. We feel okay.
39:00Actually,
39:02it's not okay.
39:04It's a lie if you say
39:06okay, other people might say, oh, it's okay.
39:08That's you. But I want to
39:10share this thing. If you think
39:12rationally
39:14before making
39:16the decision to get
39:18separated. Think.
39:20Don't follow your heart.
39:22Pray to Allah.
39:24InsyaAllah, it's okay.
39:26And when
39:28your story
39:30happened, maybe we didn't have
39:32the social media era, right? Compared to now
39:34if we look at you, every time
39:36there's a couple separating, especially
39:38hot, noisy,
39:40open there, open here,
39:42right? So, like
39:44as a couple or an individual
39:46who has been in such a situation,
39:48how do you see this situation?
39:50At that time,
39:52we had entertainment reporters.
39:54But I didn't make it an issue.
39:56When asked, I said
39:58no comment.
40:00I answered little by little.
40:02Even like now,
40:06if people
40:08are separated,
40:10we understand people
40:12like bloggers,
40:14they want news, right?
40:16But sometimes, please,
40:18don't take that thing
40:20to make it very important news.
40:22The Malaysian people want to know,
40:24they don't want to know.
40:26We just want to make it sensational
40:28for the sake of our news,
40:30for the sake of our blog.
40:32Don't do it because
40:34if it's true, they will
40:36be okay. If it's not true,
40:38it will worsen the situation.
40:40Can it be settled? It can't be settled.
40:42That thing, don't do it.
40:44If possible, if there is a separation,
40:46let them settle themselves.
40:48We don't have to talk about the story.
40:50About the length of the story.
40:52If you miss it, go ask.
40:54If you miss your mother, don't.
40:56There are many other stories.
40:58It's okay. We can pray for it.
41:00Sometimes, the anger
41:02when he was talking,
41:04he didn't get angry.
41:06He was angry.
41:08Sometimes, when he came back,
41:10he regretted. But he already
41:12hurt someone.
41:14That thing,
41:16don't do it.
41:18Sometimes, as humans,
41:20we don't
41:22want to ask.
41:24Don't do it.
41:26You don't have to.
41:28If there is a separation,
41:30I will pray for you.
41:32If there is a blessing, if there is a fate,
41:34let it be settled.
41:36That's better.
41:38Seeing the stories,
41:40of course, as you have been through it,
41:42I have been through it.
41:44Yes, the comments below,
41:46there are many more.
41:48So, those things,
41:50don't do it.
41:52If there is a separation,
41:54don't do it.
41:56Let's pray together.
41:58Especially, when there is a child,
42:00it's a pity to see the child.
42:02We go for an interview,
42:04ask,
42:06it's a long story.
42:08Don't do it.
42:10Let's pray together.
42:12If there is a blessing,
42:14let it be settled.
42:16Right?
42:18Brother,
42:20when we talk about your work,
42:22maybe one song
42:24that describes
42:26yourself,
42:28or what happened
42:30throughout your life.
42:32Is there any song?
42:34One song from
42:36Dato' Hatan,
42:38that describes, this is me.
42:40Or a song
42:42that is made specifically
42:44to tell
42:46your journey.
42:48In the past, we were very rebellious.
42:50When we,
42:52I was deceived once,
42:54after that, I continued to make a song.
42:56The song I made,
42:58the lyrics,
43:00my ancestors made.
43:02The title of the song is Dul Hancing.
43:04Dul Kencing.
43:06Dul Kencing. Dul
43:08Hancing.
43:10You deceived us, right?
43:12So we made that song.
43:14In the past,
43:16every song, sometimes we
43:18tell what it is.
43:20For example,
43:22Renang Tak Berbua.
43:24At that time, the lyrics were
43:26Bob.
43:28The song I made with
43:30Ayu Aminah.
43:32So when the lyrics
43:34of the song we made,
43:36we said Bob, we made the lyrics.
43:38If possible, we want to miss a mother.
43:40Bob was
43:42in the middle of a
43:44road crisis.
43:46Then the song came out and boom,
43:48big hit.
43:50Renang Tak Berbua until today.
43:52Renang Tak Berbua,
43:54Maligai Shadu,
43:56Merindu Dari Kekasih Untuk
43:58Kekasih,
44:00a lot.
44:02Yes, it's a must.
44:04If not, people will be angry.
44:06In Indonesia nowadays,
44:08Laku Rezeki.
44:10It's true.
44:12Everyone,
44:14even last week, it's the same.
44:16People
44:18sing along
44:20with the song.
44:22In the past,
44:24the lyrics were sticky.
44:26The song is not short
44:28like now. Now it's 3 minutes,
44:30it's over.
44:32In the past,
44:34Sekuntur Muamerak was 6 and a half minutes.
44:36Dari Kekasih 7 minutes.
44:38Hit.
44:40So all these things,
44:42the lyrics have to blend
44:44enough with the song.
44:46Then it arrived.
44:48Maybe the times have changed.
44:50Maybe people now live
44:52more simple. Young people
44:54are simpler. But maybe we
44:56in our times,
44:58maybe people say
45:02a little melancholic
45:04with the lyrics.
45:06But that thing,
45:08for us, it's still relevant
45:10until today. Even some
45:12people may say
45:14rock is
45:16over.
45:18For me, rock is over,
45:20I'm afraid. The listeners
45:22are still there. Maybe in terms of
45:24people who follow us,
45:2650-60 years old,
45:28maybe that's the end.
45:30But
45:32I think maybe the listeners
45:34are still there. But for
45:36people who own
45:38albums like that, it's gone.
45:40I agree.
45:42No one released an album
45:44like that anymore.
45:46Times have changed a lot.
45:48True. But that's it.
45:50And these songs
45:52must be sung at concerts later.
45:54Of course.
45:56That's why we want to sing
45:58songs that, when we
46:00have a meeting, we want to sing
46:02good songs that people know.
46:04Good songs that people know
46:06can be a source of soul.
46:08Okay.
46:10Not to show off.
46:12No, we want to
46:14together with the fans who
46:16have supported us all this time,
46:18we sing songs that
46:20I think you want to hear.
46:22Because you want to hear
46:24that, right?
46:26And we recorded the song
46:28Kita Manis.
46:30The three of us recorded it.
46:32It became catchy. Adam produced
46:34it.
46:36Brother,
46:38maybe what will
46:40be a
46:42surprise for the concert later
46:44or what are the special elements
46:46for fans who
46:48bought the tickets?
46:50They have to come to see the surprise.
46:52They have to come. If you tell them, they won't be surprised.
46:54Right?
46:56Well, the three of you won't have a guest singer
46:58anymore, right?
47:00If there is, suddenly later ...
47:02No, no, no.
47:04And I'm sure it will be a
47:06concert that
47:08not only people say Sifu
47:10with his students,
47:12but also like a concert
47:14brother and sister.
47:16When I became an AF jury,
47:18Hazimah is a champion, right?
47:20I'm the one
47:22who called him
47:24back in
47:26the third week after
47:28one artist left, right?
47:30So Hazimah came in and became a champion.
47:32Even at that time, he had tried.
47:34But he didn't succeed.
47:36But after that time, he became a champion.
47:38I still remember
47:40in Putrajaya, we were in the final.
47:42He's a champion.
47:44Even when we did
47:46the Sarawak tour,
47:48they are
47:50always on the list.
47:52Right?
47:54Maybe in the last few minutes,
47:56if we can talk about
47:58our music industry today,
48:00especially among new singers.
48:02If we want to talk
48:04about quality, like you said earlier,
48:06every singer has their own advantages.
48:08There is their quality. But maybe
48:10what if you see one thing
48:12that our industry
48:14today is maybe
48:16okay, of course, it's different.
48:18But from the perspective of an
48:20otai. I see now
48:22artists
48:24become,
48:26they hit one song, then they become an influencer.
48:28Right?
48:30They become an influencer to
48:32earn an income.
48:34Which I understand.
48:36But as an artist,
48:38he will be frustrated.
48:40But if you have become an influencer,
48:42tips. If you have become an influencer,
48:44maybe you earn so much
48:46money as an influencer.
48:48Get the money to make your own
48:50album. Sell it by yourself.
48:52Hard sell. But at least you have
48:54that history
48:56in your career.
48:58Because I don't know
49:00until when the time people
49:02make albums will come back.
49:04I don't know. If you make an album,
49:06you sell 2,000. I don't think it's worth it.
49:08That's a lot.
49:10Even if you sell 3,000,
49:12it's still a lot. Like us,
49:14on the first day, we released 50,000.
49:16200,000 albums, 100,000.
49:18Even search.
49:20On the first day, we sold triple platinum.
49:22Yes.
49:24Because in the past, there was no consignment.
49:26In the past, the artist
49:28had to put it in the store.
49:30And people had to buy it.
49:32Now, no.
49:34Now, it's single.
49:36So, it's
49:38a pity.
49:40But maybe he feels, oh, I'm more
49:42popular now because I have
49:44social media. Yes, social media.
49:46But the hit is just one.
49:48As an artist, we
49:50want to have our whole concert.
49:52That's our achievement.
49:54Achievement. But sometimes,
49:56it's a pity.
49:58But when
50:00the time will come back,
50:02one day, I do believe,
50:04it will come back. The circle,
50:06in 20 years, it will come back.
50:08But when it comes to now,
50:10I've seen artists
50:12want to record again.
50:14Because they feel
50:16really single
50:18for YouTube.
50:20Spotify.
50:22It's not promising
50:24at all.
50:28It's easy for them to achieve
50:3010 million views.
50:32But it's just one.
50:34Right? Yes.
50:36If there's an album, 10 million views,
50:38it's easy to make a tour around Malaysia.
50:40Right? Right.
50:42That's why I said, now
50:44when they want to, they come
50:46to be an influencer,
50:48promote their products,
50:50and some of them have sold their caps.
50:52But do you also follow
50:54the development of our new artist? I do.
50:56We get to know the younger ones.
50:58That's it. There are many good ones.
51:00But it's a pity because
51:02they produce albums.
51:04I do respect
51:06like Jo Branko now
51:08making an album with Babarik.
51:10He also knows
51:12it's not easy to sell, but he makes it.
51:14It's like a bullet going to war.
51:16Yes. As a band,
51:18if he makes something,
51:20people can play it.
51:24There's a lot if you want to share
51:26along this journey.
51:28But that's it.
51:30I believe
51:32the existence of
51:34you in our industry,
51:36I think the story is very different.
51:38I mean,
51:40like you said earlier,
51:42singers now can't go through
51:44what the singers used to go through.
51:46Right? Oh yes.
51:48The show and so on.
51:50He went through, but in a different way.
51:52A different way.
51:54It's painful, especially for you.
51:56It's not easy to be happy.
51:58It's true.
52:00It's not easy to be accepted
52:02until now.
52:04Now, maybe the artist
52:06after one song, he's happy.
52:08He's got endorsement.
52:10Like we used to be,
52:12there's no such thing.
52:14Now people take advantage of him.
52:16When he's on social media,
52:18one song explodes,
52:2040 million people watch it.
52:22People have taken him, endorsed him.
52:24The price of the show has risen.
52:26He should be like that.
52:28Stuck.
52:30The price of the show has risen.
52:32Next year, the price will go down.
52:34Why is that?
52:36Because it's not enough.
52:38That's right.
52:40I mean,
52:42if senior artists like this
52:44don't have a voice,
52:46I think
52:48there are no
52:50good singers today.
52:52I mean, the reputation of
52:54our old singers.
52:56Hopefully,
52:58your stories will be an inspiration
53:00not only for the existing singers,
53:02but also for those who
53:04want to be singers.
53:06Like you said,
53:08I'm good.
53:10Proved with that quality.
53:12Confidence.
53:14We say good because
53:16we're too afraid.
53:18Afraid not to be accepted.
53:20But that's what I mean.
53:22If we have confidence.
53:24But we have confidence.
53:26And we prove it with those things.
53:28And hopefully,
53:30his success will continue
53:32and inherited by his son.
53:34God willing.
53:36What do people say?
53:38Legacy in this field too.
53:40And there are many more singers
53:42who will be born with quality.
53:44And your songs,
53:46I think,
53:48have become a charm until now.
53:52Keep going with Evergreen
53:54and the concert success.
53:56Where do you want to buy the tickets?
53:58Tickets to you.
54:00You can buy it with us.
54:02We're hard sell.
54:06Three people will sing.
54:08So, we'll wait for the songs.
54:10Okay.
54:12See you on February 8,
54:142025.
54:16After that,
54:18Daniel Rihol will close for a year
54:20for renovation.
54:22Okay. Thank you so much.
54:24I hope this will be
54:26another story
54:28that will be
54:30a reminder for us.
54:32And also,
54:34an inspiration for the people
54:36out there.
54:38I hope it will continue.
54:40And people say
54:42they are interested and liked.
54:46Good morning.
54:48Assalamualaikum.