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00:00If you want to be a successful artist in Malaysia, don't be a parrot.
00:05Don't be a parrot or a puppet, right?
00:07He used the word parrot, he said, sometimes it's because you, if an artist who doesn't know how to write their own song,
00:16you are singing, you are told to do what the record label wants you to do.
00:20True, true. But then again, it works for some artists, but not all, right?
00:26If not, you...
00:27One hit wonder.
00:28True, when you leave the label, suddenly your direction is gone.
00:31You're so used to that label giving you songs like this, your direction and everything.
00:35But yeah, that's it, I always encourage new artists to write their own songs,
00:38to at least have a direction of sonically what kind of sound you want to put out there.
00:43Because with that, you have more control over yourself, you know.
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01:08Hi, welcome back to the podcast,
01:10Sambang Atas Dulang with me, the third season of Sedi, brought to you by Spritzer.
01:16Hydrate yourself with mineral water,
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01:21Spritzer loves vacation, I love vacation.
01:25Now, speaking of vacation, today we have a very special guest.
01:30He's on vacation in Malaysia, all the way from Brunei.
01:34We have Aziz Harun.
01:37Ooh, what an intro, Sedi.
01:39Hello, hello.
01:40But actually, I lied.
01:41Actually, he's not on vacation.
01:43Actually, he came to Malaysia for work.
01:45Work.
01:46You're staying here, Sedi?
01:47I'm not going back to Brunei?
01:48Nothing, you're not leaving Brunei.
01:50You're not going back to Brunei at all?
01:53Only if there are functions and stuff, family stuff.
01:56But for now, for the most part, I'm here.
01:58I have a visa and everything, working visa.
01:59Yeah, of course you're here because during Raya, we were all bombarded.
02:04Bombarded.
02:06Flooded.
02:07We were all dealing with each other.
02:11Because your song went viral, that's a good thing.
02:13Yes, Alhamdulillah.
02:14As an artist, it's a good thing.
02:16If you don't know Aziz, it's a loss.
02:19Because his song, according to Leona,
02:21every time he lied,
02:22Onion, every time he lied, onion, onion.
02:24I don't know why she...
02:25I think now it's her song already, Sedi.
02:27I give up already.
02:27Yeah, she was here in the last episode.
02:29So now, actually, he covered Leona's song.
02:32That's right.
02:35So, our show, our topic is Semak Atas Dulang.
02:39Which means, our guests will always eat while chatting with me.
02:45Okay, so what's today's food?
02:46Today's food is something that probably doesn't exist in Brunei.
02:51It's like there's nothing in Brunei.
02:53But we're going to talk about Brunei.
02:54Because I want to know, I'm very curious about the culture there.
02:57Sure, sure.
02:58So, on the count of three, I'm going to open.
02:59You're going to act shocked.
03:01Okay, I'm going to act shocked.
03:02Okay.
03:03Get it?
03:04Oh, he's walking by, but I didn't notice.
03:07He's smart.
03:08Okay, one, two, three.
03:10And the food is...
03:16Egg tarts.
03:17I was about to say pineapple tarts.
03:19Egg tarts.
03:20Egg tarts.
03:21So, we have egg tarts all the way from Bukit Macau.
03:23Although, you know, Macau is famous for that.
03:26This is Malaysian egg tarts.
03:28Okay.
03:29Oh, it smells good.
03:30It doesn't smell good.
03:31It does smell good.
03:33But what I said earlier about Brunei.
03:36Is this a known thing in Brunei?
03:38A known thing, yes.
03:39But usually sold by home bakers.
03:41I don't think we have a shop that really sells Portuguese egg tarts.
03:44So, actually, what do we have in Brunei?
03:46In Brunei, we have...
03:48I'm not asking for a hint.
03:51Yes, I understand.
03:52Because I've never been there.
03:53True.
03:54Usually, my followers will say,
03:55Seri, you come here.
03:56We also have good food.
03:57So, what's there in Brunei?
03:59What's there in Brunei?
04:00So, I like Brunei because it has a lot of food.
04:03Okay.
04:04We like our sushi.
04:05We like our steaks.
04:06Things like that.
04:07But Malay food is the same in Malaysia.
04:09It's the same type of Malay food.
04:10Okay.
04:11We have ambuyat.
04:12Our traditional...
04:13Okay, because it's at Borneo side.
04:14Yes, Borneo side.
04:15Okay.
04:16Yes, Borneo side.
04:17So, we have ambuyat.
04:18And, yes, we have nice beaches.
04:20It's a very chill place.
04:21If you want to chill,
04:22if you want to heal,
04:23you come to Brunei.
04:24So, we can take a vacation in Brunei.
04:27Take a vacation in Brunei.
04:28With Spritzer.
04:29Wow.
04:30Okay, so, you made a name for yourself.
04:32That's right.
04:33So, you just moved to Malaysia.
04:35Like, how many years have you been here?
04:372017.
04:38But my first song in Malaysia,
04:40in the industry,
04:41was 10 years ago.
04:4210 years ago.
04:4310 years ago.
04:44So, you came to Malaysia.
04:45I came to Malaysia.
04:46I signed a record label in Malaysia.
04:47Okay.
04:48Which was Warner Music Malaysia
04:4910 years ago.
04:50At that time, I was like 15 or 16.
04:53Okay.
04:54My first song was Senyum.
04:55Senyum, Senyum Selalu.
04:56And, yes, I've just been in Malaysia
04:58ever since.
04:59And, Alhamdulillah.
05:00So, 2017, you moved to Malaysia.
05:02Yes.
05:03After I finished my A-Levels,
05:04I moved here.
05:05Okay.
05:06Focus on one song.
05:07The name of the song is Jangan.
05:08Jangan.
05:09Jangan.
05:10So, don't leave your parents in Brunei.
05:11Oh, no.
05:12But you're still going back or not
05:13to see them?
05:14I still go back.
05:15Like, my mom is actually here now.
05:16Oh.
05:17She's eating durian.
05:18Because it's durian season, right?
05:19Okay.
05:20Again, about Brunei,
05:21it's hard to get durian.
05:22Oh.
05:23So, a lot of Bruneians will come here
05:24to look for durian.
05:25Oh, I understand.
05:26Because if we want to go to Sabah,
05:27it's expensive.
05:28That's right.
05:29It's very expensive.
05:30It's very, very expensive.
05:31Very, very expensive.
05:32So, you came all the way here.
05:33You made a name for yourself.
05:34And, I would say,
05:35after Raya,
05:36I feel like your name
05:37is even bigger, right?
05:38Yes.
05:39Yes.
05:41Not relevant.
05:42Okay.
05:43Actually,
05:44we can just be transparent.
05:45Yes, we can.
05:46I'd love to.
05:47Because our viewers
05:48sometimes think that
05:49if an artist is viral,
05:50his life must be very glamorous.
05:51Too glamorous.
05:52Oh, no.
05:53Too much like
05:54he's a diva.
05:55Like,
05:56I don't know about other artists
05:57like that.
05:58But for me,
05:59no.
06:00If a song is a hit,
06:01it's a hit.
06:02But after that,
06:03you don't know
06:04what's going to happen, right?
06:05Whether it's a hit or not.
06:06But it seems like
06:07you're quite consistent.
06:08Alhamdulillah.
06:09I think it's just,
06:10maybe the work
06:11put into it,
06:12it's just luck.
06:13Sometimes,
06:14as much as an artist
06:15will tell you,
06:16he'll say,
06:17actually,
06:18it's based on luck.
06:19Whether your song
06:20will be viral or not.
06:21But I feel like,
06:22if you want to be viral,
06:23all artists now
06:24hope to be viral.
06:25Right?
06:26But,
06:27to be viral,
06:28your song has to be good.
06:29Yes.
06:30If it's not good,
06:31even if it's viral,
06:32it's useless.
06:33Useless.
06:34So, you work with
06:35record labels,
06:36and right now,
06:37you're signed with
06:38another record label.
06:39Yes.
06:40A local record label.
06:41So, before,
06:42I was part of a major label,
06:43Warner Music.
06:44And then,
06:45I left
06:46in 2018.
06:47And then,
06:48I decided to just stay
06:49with a local label
06:50called Faithful Music.
06:51Okay.
06:52Which is under
06:53Faizal Tahir.
06:54Okay.
06:55Oh, of course,
06:56I know who doesn't know.
06:57He just writes
06:58Santai Santai.
06:59Santai Santai,
07:00that's right.
07:01You know that song?
07:02Santai Santai lah,
07:04sayangku.
07:06Eh, gitu lah.
07:08Yeah, yeah.
07:09So, I've just been under them
07:10for the past few years.
07:11And Alhamdulillah,
07:12it's been good.
07:13They've been treating me
07:14very nicely.
07:15So, what's the difference
07:16between a big record label
07:19versus a local,
07:21home-grown record label?
07:23You can just talk,
07:24I enjoy it.
07:25You can, right?
07:26Okay, you eat first.
07:27So, with the major label,
07:28I think it's like,
07:29of course,
07:30you have a bigger budget.
07:31The name of the label
07:32is bigger,
07:33sometimes even bigger
07:34than the artist.
07:35So,
07:36but I think
07:37the space for you
07:38to explore things
07:39that are maybe
07:40outside of the box
07:41of the idea
07:42that they had planned
07:43for you,
07:44it's a bit difficult.
07:45So, with a label
07:46like Faithful Music,
07:48it's very,
07:50what do you call this?
07:51It's very tailor-made.
07:52I can do
07:53what I want to do.
07:54It's very focused.
07:55100% creative control?
07:57Yes.
07:5880%.
07:59Of course,
08:00you don't want 100% either.
08:02But yeah,
08:03it's a lot easier.
08:04It's easier to work
08:05with a good label.
08:06Did you have to go through
08:07what was it?
08:08Because
08:09other artists
08:10that I interviewed,
08:11sometimes they said
08:12record labels
08:13have a tabiat.
08:14They will
08:15try to mold you
08:17into a
08:18specific
08:20look
08:21or image.
08:22Yes.
08:23Did you have to go through that?
08:24Thankfully, I didn't.
08:25Okay.
08:26Because I think
08:27my image look
08:28was numb
08:29at that point.
08:30But I do see
08:31a lot of labels doing that,
08:32especially the major labels.
08:33But
08:34I don't want to blame them.
08:35Because at the end of the day,
08:36the artist is their product.
08:37Business is business.
08:38Are you a product?
08:39I don't think I am.
08:40I don't feel like I am.
08:41But I know
08:42at the end of the day,
08:43I am.
08:44We are all products.
08:45We are all products.
08:46People consume us.
08:48It just sounds so wrong.
08:50We always sell ourselves.
08:52We sell ourselves.
08:53That's right.
08:54On social media.
08:55You know,
08:56you sell music.
08:57Yes.
08:58So you didn't have to go through
08:59the
09:00record label
09:01that said
09:02today,
09:03you need to look like
09:04you know,
09:05certain way.
09:06Maybe
09:07they pushed me towards
09:08like
09:09music wise.
09:10Maybe Aziz,
09:11you can do this type of music
09:12instead.
09:13Okay.
09:14What kind of music
09:15did they ask you to do?
09:16They asked me to now do
09:17more ballad stuff,
09:18which I completely agree
09:19and I like.
09:20Okay.
09:21Because nowadays,
09:22the trend of ballad
09:23and also the stuff I consume
09:24is also a lot of ballad
09:25from Indonesia and everything.
09:26So I've been exploring
09:27that side a bit more.
09:28So,
09:29it means
09:30songs like Amir,
09:31a singer-songwriter
09:32who listens to
09:33folk music.
09:34Honestly,
09:35I mean,
09:36we named him a few times
09:37because
09:38the thing about Amir
09:39is that
09:40he gives
09:41hope
09:42to the artists
09:43who don't like belt.
09:44That's right.
09:45Which is like me.
09:46Actually, funny story,
09:47Amir Jahari
09:48is the one
09:49who really
09:50made an impact
09:51in my career.
09:52Because without him,
09:53I wouldn't have been here.
09:54We need to have him back.
09:55Have him not back,
09:56have him for our show.
09:57That's right,
09:58you guys have to have him
09:59for your show.
10:00He has a long story.
10:01It's a long story.
10:02It's a long story.
10:03It's a long story.
10:04It's a long story.
10:05It's a long story.
10:06It's a long story.
10:07It's a long story.
10:08It's a long story.
10:09It's a long story.
10:10It's a long story.
10:11It's a long story.
10:12It's a long story.
10:13It's a long story.
10:14It's a long story.
10:15It's a long story.
10:16It's a long story.
10:17It's a long story.
10:18It's a long story.
10:19It's a long story.
10:20It's a long story.
10:21It's a long story.
10:22It's a long story.
10:23It's a long story.
10:24It's a long story.
10:25It's a long story.
10:26It's a long story.
10:27If artists want to grow in Brunei,
10:31is there a possibility?
10:33There is a possibility.
10:34But the possibility is a bit limited.
10:36Because we only have 400,000 people.
10:39So the market is already so small.
10:41But with social media like Instagram,
10:44TikTok,
10:45it's a lot easier for you
10:46to find a market outside.
10:48I've seen a couple of my friends
10:49in Brunei who released a song
10:51and it suddenly went through
10:53Indonesian TikTok
10:54or Malaysian TikTok.
10:56It's a step towards Bruneian singers
10:58to become singers
10:59and make it a proper career.
11:01So there is an opportunity.
11:03Sometimes, like I said,
11:05this is the era of everyone
11:06wanting to go viral.
11:08Sometimes it's not even wanted.
11:10It just happens.
11:12Recently,
11:14TikTok went viral
11:15because a white man in the USA
11:17used a Raya song.
11:18Oh yeah?
11:21And the song?
11:22Then people asked,
11:23why did you use that song?
11:24It's weird.
11:26The person is in America.
11:27What about the video?
11:28What was the content?
11:29It's about family.
11:31She was talking about the family,
11:32but he used that song.
11:33So people asked,
11:34why did you use that song?
11:35It's weird.
11:36It's like Raya is over.
11:38So somebody said,
11:39maybe because the instrumental version
11:42in the beginning,
11:43it sounded funny.
11:44Oh, I see.
11:45I understand.
11:46So they thought it's like a cheeky music.
11:48But you see how sometimes just...
11:50Accidentally, you become viral.
11:52Accidentally,
11:54Accidentally.
11:55It's like that.
11:56Accidentally.
11:57The song was doing well.
11:58It was okay.
11:59People made content.
12:00It was Raya.
12:01But 6 days after Raya,
12:02it started to slow down.
12:03It started getting slow.
12:04Then suddenly,
12:05Leona released her video.
12:07Accidentally.
12:08Accidentally.
12:09And then it gave it a new life.
12:12So I feel like
12:13these things are good for us too.
12:15Until Aishah Redno
12:17asked her to be a cameo
12:18for another singing show.
12:19Yes.
12:20Where were you?
12:21I wasn't there that week.
12:22Aiyo.
12:23So you want to join the Harder Singing Show?
12:24No, I don't want to.
12:25Why?
12:26It's hard.
12:27How can I join the Harder Singing Show?
12:28That's the thing about your artist.
12:30Sometimes I have to be strict.
12:32Okay, okay.
12:35Sometimes we'll invite artists
12:37to join the Harder Singing Show.
12:38Like Milan was there.
12:40You know,
12:41we have some singers.
12:42Sometimes I ask,
12:43do you want to join the Harder Singing Show?
12:45A lot of people say no.
12:46No, right?
12:47Because if I have to dance,
12:48I don't want to.
12:49Same.
12:50True.
12:51I cannot dance.
12:52Even if you see me dancing,
12:53you don't want to.
12:54You turn off the TV.
12:55True.
12:56That's how you challenge yourself
12:58to be a versatile artist.
12:59That's the hardest part.
13:00That's the hardest part.
13:01Maybe it's a different side.
13:03I used to join Big Stage.
13:05I joined Big Stage.
13:06Season 2.
13:07Aiyo.
13:08At that time,
13:09there was a drama.
13:10Why?
13:11What drama?
13:12I withdrew myself
13:13after the third week.
13:14How dare you withdraw yourself?
13:15That's why.
13:16Why did you withdraw yourself?
13:17Because I wanted to study.
13:18I just got my offer letter
13:19that week.
13:20Okay.
13:21So, I continued to study.
13:22That's valid.
13:23It's not that dramatic.
13:24But my experience at Big Stage,
13:25performing on stage,
13:26in front of the TV,
13:27crowd and everything,
13:28I figured out,
13:30I realized I'm not meant
13:31to sing in front of the TV
13:33in a way.
13:34Like a joint competition,
13:35let's say.
13:36Okay.
13:37Because I'm a singer
13:38who's too used to
13:40interacting with the crowd.
13:42So, you're a relaxed artist.
13:46Yes.
13:47I'm a very single songwriter artist.
13:48So, if I want to compete,
13:49it's not my thing.
13:51Especially at that time,
13:52it was like 2019.
13:53It was like five years ago.
13:55So, even if I didn't use a guitar,
13:57I felt naked.
13:58It was difficult.
13:59I understand.
14:00So, I was already stiff
14:01when I held the mic.
14:02But now, I'm a lot better.
14:04But as an artist,
14:05sometimes in Malaysia,
14:06you have no choice
14:07but to do different things.
14:09That's right.
14:10Like stepping out
14:11of your comfort zone.
14:12Yeah.
14:13And I realized for me,
14:14stepping out of my comfort zone
14:16was actually like
14:18trying out new genres
14:20and also fashion.
14:22I'm not a...
14:23I would never wear...
14:24I know this is a very simple outfit.
14:26But no way would I have worn
14:28baggy jeans in my life
14:30before this.
14:31Like weird things.
14:33Even though it's not weird.
14:34That is your definition
14:35of being fashionable.
14:36I know. Yeah. Yeah.
14:37I still even fashionable to you.
14:38I know.
14:39It's not that.
14:40It's not what I'm trying to say.
14:41He just said,
14:42I'm not fashionable.
14:43It's not...
14:44No, I'm kidding.
14:45You're different.
14:46Yeah. Yeah.
14:47Because I'm more...
14:48That's why I say,
14:49never say never.
14:50Yes.
14:51Even before this,
14:52I had a problem.
14:53I always
14:54adject people
14:55who wear
14:56fashion.
14:57I would always say,
14:58do you really need to wear this
14:59when you come to a show?
15:01Why do you wear like
15:03certain ways?
15:04Right.
15:05What is the purpose
15:06of a fashion show?
15:07Like...
15:08Sometimes fashion
15:09is like a horde.
15:10It's bad.
15:11But here,
15:12look where we are.
15:13Yes, that's right.
15:14Never say never.
15:15That's right.
15:16For me,
15:17I'm slowly trying to
15:18break out of
15:19my comfort zone.
15:20Little by little.
15:21What is the next
15:22genre
15:23that you plan
15:24on trying?
15:25Next genre
15:26that I plan on trying?
15:27Collaboratively,
15:28I think I want to work
15:29with people
15:30more towards
15:31that hip-hop,
15:32rap scene.
15:33Because as a consumer
15:34of music,
15:35I like to consume
15:36hip-hop the most.
15:37Even though
15:38you play guitar,
15:39you relax,
15:40but you listen to hip-hop.
15:41Yes, I listen to
15:42a lot of hip-hop.
15:43So, there are a lot of
15:44people I can collaborate
15:45with.
15:46Like, Alif.
15:47Yes.
15:48Also a big inspiration.
15:49Because he also looks
15:50like he's out of
15:51his comfort zone.
15:52After Swype,
15:53he came out
15:54with Dari Jauh,
15:55which was like
15:56an R&B band.
15:57Yes, yes.
15:58Like, what are you doing?
15:59Yes.
16:00Sometimes,
16:01this rapper suddenly
16:02starts singing.
16:03He's like,
16:04oh.
16:05Oh, he can do that.
16:06Yes, that's right.
16:07Metal rock and all.
16:08No.
16:09That's really
16:10a running brand.
16:11In Malaysia,
16:12well, I'm sorry
16:13to disappoint.
16:14I'm not one of them.
16:15I can't belt.
16:16I'm not.
16:17That's why, again,
16:18I'm not a competition
16:19singer, maybe.
16:20Because I can't
16:21give that high note,
16:22that long belting
16:23note.
16:24I can't.
16:25You have to sing
16:26like, you know,
16:27pull the mic
16:28to your head.
16:29Pull it far away.
16:30Far away.
16:31Yes.
16:32Then, like.
16:33All the veins come out.
16:34Yes.
16:35And it looks like
16:36suffering on stage.
16:37Right.
16:38Like, almost dying.
16:39Then, it's a hard singing show.
16:40Not just a hard singing show.
16:41It's the same in Vegas.
16:42That's right.
16:43It's the same.
16:44All the artists,
16:45if the veins don't pop,
16:46they don't count.
16:47They lose marks.
16:48Yes.
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17:05So, when you come to Malaysia,
17:07have you ever felt like
17:08there's a culture shock
17:11as a Bruneian?
17:13Bruneian?
17:14Bruneian.
17:15Bruneian.
17:16As a Bruneian.
17:17As a Bruneian,
17:18Bahasa was a big, big challenge.
17:20Huh?
17:21Because our language is Bruneian.
17:23Which is more towards
17:25Sarawak, Sabah kind of dialect.
17:27Okay.
17:28So, when I came here,
17:29and then they started speaking Selanjong,
17:30of course, like growing up,
17:31I always watch it on TV,
17:32watch the stories,
17:33everything, right?
17:34So, it's familiar,
17:35but it's hard to practice.
17:36So, when suddenly
17:37you have to go to ERA interview,
17:40I'm like,
17:41okay, I sound like
17:42from the village,
17:43I don't know how to communicate.
17:45How do you say,
17:47I love to eat egg tart?
17:50I love to eat egg tart.
17:51It's the same.
17:52But the sound is like Sabah,
17:53I like it, she doesn't like it.
17:54All small things like that.
17:56All the difference,
17:57I like to eat.
17:58But,
17:59okay, let's see,
18:00I speak Bruneian.
18:01But, when it comes to
18:02speaking Bruneian,
18:04it's different.
18:05It's really different.
18:06Okay.
18:07So, there are words
18:08that maybe,
18:09see, even my Bruneian
18:10is so bad now.
18:11Because when I do
18:12interviews here in Malaysia,
18:13automatically I'm speaking
18:14Bahasa Malaysia.
18:15Switch to Malaysia.
18:16But, hey,
18:17not that 7 years.
18:18Okay, yeah, 7 years.
18:19Took you 7 years to like,
18:20you know, you can switch to
18:22Bahasa Malaysia.
18:23Yes.
18:24But sometimes, it's embarrassing
18:25when I do interviews
18:26back in Brunei,
18:27sometimes the Malaysians
18:28slip up.
18:29That one, I'm embarrassed.
18:30Are they okay?
18:31Okay, they laugh a bit.
18:32They laugh?
18:33They laugh a bit.
18:34But I don't want people
18:35who are lost to come.
18:36Don't forget your roots.
18:37So, what is like,
18:38so, there's a language,
18:39there's a culture shock.
18:40Food-wise,
18:41it's the same, right?
18:42Food-wise,
18:44spicy.
18:45The spicy level
18:46here in Malaysia,
18:47it's so spicy.
18:48Yes, indeed.
18:49But another culture shock
18:50for me was Nasi Kandar.
18:51If I'm being honest.
18:52Like, every time I came here
18:53for promo before,
18:54every time I came,
18:55I would order Nasi Kandar.
18:56Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
18:57Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
18:58Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
18:59Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
19:00Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
19:01Nasi Kandar, Nasi Kandar,
19:02It's a culture shock.
19:03We don't even have a mamak.
19:04We're in Borneo,
19:05mostly we have kopitiam.
19:07Oh, okay.
19:0824-hour hangout spot?
19:1024-hour hangout spot,
19:11there are a few.
19:12In Borneo,
19:13maybe there are 1, 2, or 3.
19:14Not many.
19:15Whole country,
19:16only 1, 2, or 3?
19:17The shop closes at 10.
19:18The shop closes at 10.
19:19That's a culture shock.
19:20Yes, that's a culture shock.
19:22So, if you're hungry,
19:24you can cook at home.
19:26You can cook at home,
19:27or you can order,
19:29there are a few kopitiams
19:30that are open.
19:31Sometimes, we have to be grateful
19:33in Malaysia.
19:34Actually, if at night,
19:35it's 2 AM,
19:36we want to eat,
19:37at least we can go to some...
19:38Or you can even order from your phone.
19:40Yes.
19:41Not here?
19:42In Brunei?
19:43No, not in Brunei.
19:44Oh.
19:45Makes me want to go.
19:46But you should try nasi katok.
19:47That's our number one,
19:48our national dish in a way.
19:50What is that?
19:51Nasi katok is rice
19:52with sambal ayam goreng.
19:53It's very simple.
19:54It's not nasi lemak.
19:55It's normal rice.
19:56But the sambal
19:57is what makes it special.
19:59You just said
20:00you don't taste spicy food.
20:01But the sambal is not spicy.
20:03It's not spicy.
20:04It's sweet.
20:05It's more like sweet garlic.
20:06Have you been to Village Park?
20:07Yes.
20:08The sambal is not spicy.
20:10But is it like that?
20:12No.
20:13The chicken is different.
20:14This one,
20:15the chicken is more like
20:16fried chicken.
20:17I understand.
20:18Okay.
20:19I really have to experience
20:20Brunei one time.
20:21Please.
20:22When is the next time
20:23you're going to go back there?
20:24I don't know.
20:25I just came back last week
20:26because my sister got married.
20:27My sister got married,
20:28so I was back there
20:29for just two days.
20:30Okay.
20:31Actually,
20:32we need to circle back
20:33because of the song.
20:34How did the collab
20:35with Aisyah Redno happen?
20:37Okay.
20:38So, again,
20:39because I don't sign
20:40with Media Label,
20:41they don't conflict
20:42with Aisyah's label,
20:43which is Sony Music.
20:45So, I as a local
20:46independent label,
20:47I'm happy to work
20:48with other labels.
20:49So, whoever you want.
20:50So, for me,
20:51it's a bit easier
20:52because I can collab
20:53with anyone
20:54in any label.
20:55So, with Aisyah,
20:56we had a song last year
20:57actually,
20:58a normal single,
20:59which was called Jarak.
21:00It was a duet.
21:01Okay.
21:02It was called Jarak
21:03and that was the first song
21:04we released together,
21:05we wrote together.
21:06And then,
21:07in between the promo
21:08of Jarak last year,
21:09it was Raya.
21:10It was Raya last year.
21:12Who takes Raya time
21:14when you're making music?
21:16Yes.
21:17Because it's fasting month,
21:18it's like chill, right?
21:19Chill, yeah.
21:20Nothing's going on.
21:21So, we just camp
21:22in the studio, right?
21:23So, we wrote
21:24a fun Raya song
21:25for last year.
21:26It was on TikTok
21:27which was Ketipak Ketipung.
21:28And then,
21:29we saw the traction
21:30on TikTok,
21:31it was good,
21:32everyone liked it,
21:33everyone shared it.
21:34So, this year,
21:35we decided,
21:36and at this time,
21:37Aisyah was super busy
21:38with her competition.
21:39So, we just got in
21:40to write two days.
21:41One day,
21:42to finish the lyrics
21:43and arrangement.
21:44Second day,
21:45was to record final vocal.
21:46And,
21:47without expectation,
21:48the music video,
21:49if you watch it,
21:50the music video
21:51of Ketipak Ketipung
21:52is very homemade.
21:53Yeah, yeah.
21:54It's very
21:55homemade.
21:56And so, no expectations
21:57but Alhamdulillah,
21:58when we released it,
21:59it was good.
22:00Wow.
22:01Sometimes, people say,
22:02it's not effortless,
22:03but if the effort
22:04is not overly produced,
22:05it's the one
22:06that people like the most.
22:07It's more organic.
22:08Like TikTok now,
22:09people like organic
22:10kind of videos.
22:11So, are you recording
22:12any album
22:13or single?
22:14So, for now,
22:15I just released
22:16a single
22:17three weeks ago.
22:18The name of the song is Janji.
22:19Alhamdulillah,
22:20I'm doing well also.
22:21Because it's a whole
22:22vibe, sad people,
22:23everything.
22:24I'm working on a
22:25mini album,
22:26like an EP,
22:276-7 track.
22:28Maybe,
22:29at the end of the year
22:30or early next year,
22:31we will release.
22:32Album?
22:33Album.
22:34And this is going to be
22:35my second mini album.
22:36Because last year,
22:37I also released it.
22:38And I think it's
22:39so good for new artists
22:40to come out.
22:41I mean,
22:42for artists to come out
22:43with an album.
22:44That's a different thing
22:45that I heard from
22:46other artists.
22:47Sometimes,
22:48artists say,
22:49financially...
22:50Because their major labels
22:51have to be quoted,
22:52that's all.
22:54But it depends on
22:55the artist and the team.
22:58When you say,
22:59what do you mean by
23:00Kedekut?
23:01Reduce 50 marks.
23:02Reduce, okay.
23:03Kedekut,
23:04because sometimes,
23:05it can get a bit expensive.
23:06Because,
23:07let's say,
23:08you're an artist,
23:09you're a label,
23:10you want to make a song
23:11for the artist,
23:12but the artist
23:13doesn't have the
23:14song title.
23:15So, you have to
23:16look for the song again.
23:17You have to go to
23:18labels or
23:19studio to look for the song.
23:20You have to pay for the song,
23:21you have to pay for
23:22the song.
23:23It's not in-house,
23:24it's all outsourced.
23:25Whereas,
23:26if you're working
23:27with a local label,
23:28independent label,
23:29usually,
23:30artists can write
23:31their own songs,
23:32they can record
23:33themselves,
23:34they can do it themselves.
23:35So, it's very
23:36cost-efficient.
23:37That's the reason
23:38we can win.
23:39So, in one year,
23:40I can probably
23:41release 4-5 songs
23:42compared to
23:43a major label signing
23:44that can only release
23:452 songs.
23:46Because you know
23:47how to make
23:48your own music.
23:49That's right.
23:50And then,
23:52the budget is not big,
23:53so we keep our
23:54expectations low.
23:55And the people
23:56that we call to
23:57shoot music videos,
23:58none of them
23:59are really
24:00affordable.
24:02When you say
24:03just now
24:04the record label
24:05is sometimes
24:06too stingy,
24:07something that,
24:08you know,
24:09it's not new.
24:10That's right.
24:11For those who
24:12are watching this show,
24:13we're already
24:14in the third season,
24:15right?
24:16Before this,
24:17there were artists
24:18who spilled about
24:19record labels,
24:20right?
24:21Yeah.
24:22I don't understand that.
24:23Is that why you left?
24:24No, no, no.
24:26I left Warner
24:28because I felt like
24:29I have outgrown.
24:30I have outgrown
24:31the major label's system.
24:33How did you outgrown
24:34the label's system?
24:35I don't know,
24:36maybe I was ready
24:37to explore new things
24:38by myself
24:39and have
24:40creative control
24:41over myself.
24:42Okay.
24:43Fully, in a way.
24:44So, that's why
24:45I left the major label.
24:47But when I was there,
24:48I was very happy.
24:49They gave me
24:50a good time.
24:51It was a great
24:52relationship.
24:53Even now,
24:54when I meet
24:55people from Warner,
24:56I still feel like
24:57it's home.
24:58So, it's a great relationship.
24:59Who knows,
25:00one day I will come back.
25:01Never know, right?
25:02That's right.
25:03He won't say anything
25:04bad about Warner Brothers
25:05because Warner Brothers
25:06is one of the big ones.
25:07Of course.
25:08I don't mind.
25:09But honestly speaking,
25:10I was really happy
25:11when I was there.
25:12I left because
25:13I wanted to explore
25:14new things.
25:15That's all.
25:16So, when you
25:17come back again,
25:18what do you think
25:19the reaction is going to be
25:20when you come back?
25:21I think my catalog
25:22of old songs
25:23will push back
25:24Aziz's back and stuff like that.
25:25Maybe.
25:26Maybe an idea like that.
25:27Okay, walk me through
25:28your song.
25:31If you record,
25:32release it under Warner.
25:34Usually, the master of the song
25:36will be with that major label.
25:37Okay.
25:38So, like my earlier song
25:39Senyum Beautiful,
25:40if I'm not mistaken,
25:41the master is with Warner.
25:42Okay.
25:43So, my earlier songs,
25:44my current songs,
25:45my recent songs,
25:46Ketipak-Ketipung
25:47are with Sony.
25:48So, they hold that song.
25:51It's there.
25:52Can you perform it?
25:53I can.
25:54I can perform it.
25:55I can perform it.
25:56I still get royalties.
25:57They still collect for me
25:58and everything.
25:59Okay.
26:00But the actual ownership
26:01of that song is still the label.
26:02Oh.
26:03So, I only get a percentage
26:04of it.
26:05What's in the
26:06previous contract.
26:07Okay.
26:08How do artists make money?
26:10So, if you're a singer-songwriter,
26:12you have more avenues
26:13to look for
26:14your income streams.
26:15Okay.
26:16So, you have your
26:17writing royalty
26:18as a composer
26:19and lyricist.
26:20Ada benda itu,
26:21composer.
26:22And you ada
26:23you punya artist royalty,
26:24you as a singer.
26:25And then,
26:26you ada
26:27you punya recording royalty.
26:28Okay.
26:29You sebagai
26:30penyanyi lagu.
26:31And then,
26:32you ada your
26:33and then,
26:34lepas itu,
26:35it's your income
26:36from management lah.
26:37Macam shows
26:38atau endorsement.
26:39So, you actually have
26:40five lah,
26:41five streams.
26:42So, five income streams
26:43to help you, kan?
26:44But what about
26:45artist ni kalau
26:46nak dapat duit banyak,
26:47dia kena ada banyak
26:48streams.
26:49Betul, betul, betul.
26:50People have to
26:51listen to it.
26:52So, macam sebagai
26:53but then again,
26:54kalau you tulis
26:55satu lagu
26:56satu tahun,
26:57it's a numbers game lah
26:58jadi.
26:59So, macam
27:00you lagi tulis
27:01lagi banyak lagu
27:02untuk orang,
27:03let's say in one year
27:04you tulis 20 lagu,
27:05lagu you release
27:06maybe 3,
27:07yang 17 itu
27:08orang lain-lainnya.
27:09Okay.
27:10You lagi banyak
27:11duit that year.
27:12You faham tak?
27:13Also, you can
27:14pay the label
27:15for the production
27:16and everything.
27:17I just makan
27:18the royalty nanti lah
27:19as a singer-songwriter.
27:20I don't think
27:21there's an upfront
27:22payment for a writer.
27:23It depends on the writer
27:24juga lah.
27:25Kalau writer tu
27:26nak upfront payment,
27:27boleh juga.
27:28That's the first time
27:29artist akan share
27:30cara dia buat duit
27:31and all?
27:32I betul-betul transparent
27:33sebab dekat Brunei,
27:34ramai yang tak faham.
27:35They always ask me
27:36macam mana you
27:37buat duit dekat situ?
27:38Macam mana you tulis?
27:39Every time I'm
27:40balik Brunei,
27:41when are you
27:42gonna get a real job?
27:44Tapi, I cannot
27:45feel or think that way
27:46sebab mereka pun tak faham
27:47how the business works.
27:48Like real job as in
27:49they still think that
27:50artist is not a real job?
27:51Yeah.
27:52Sebab macam
27:53tak boleh makan kot.
27:54Macam tu.
27:55I interviewed
27:56briefly Tok Ram.
27:57Oh, Tok Ram?
27:58He used to tell me
27:59before, sebenarnya
28:00artis-artis ni,
28:01you boleh je bagi tau
28:02I pendapat you lah.
28:03Dia kata, sebenarnya
28:04artis ni,
28:05kalau you nak jadi
28:06artis yang berjaya
28:07kat Malaysia ni,
28:08jangan jadi
28:09parrot.
28:10Jangan jadi parrot
28:11atau puppet kan?
28:12Dia punya perkataan
28:13parrot.
28:14Dia kata, kadang-kadang
28:15it's because
28:16you,
28:17if artis yang
28:18tak ready
28:19write their own song
28:20and all kan,
28:21you are singing,
28:22you are told to do
28:23what the record label
28:24wants you to do.
28:25Betul, betul.
28:26But then again,
28:27it works for some
28:28artis lah.
28:29Tapi,
28:30not all.
28:31Kan?
28:32Kalau tak,
28:33one hit wonder.
28:34Betul.
28:35You keluar label tu,
28:36tiba-tiba,
28:37your direction gone.
28:38You're so used to
28:39that label bagi you
28:40lagu macam ni,
28:41they always encourage
28:42artis baru untuk
28:43tulis lagu sendiri.
28:44Untuk at least
28:45ada direction of
28:46sonically,
28:47what kind of sound
28:48you want to put out there.
28:49Sebab,
28:50with that,
28:51you have more
28:52control over yourself tau.
28:53Dia kata,
28:54yang paling
28:55laku lah
28:56as artis,
28:57the ones that
28:58boleh dapat
28:59banyak duit
29:00is actually
29:01if you are
29:02a composer.
29:03Yes, betul.
29:04So, you agree?
29:05I agree, I agree.
29:06He said,
29:07composer,
29:08pastu if you are
29:09something composer
29:10artis,
29:11definitely composer lah.
29:12So, let's say,
29:13it's a numbers game lah.
29:14Kalau you tulis macam
29:1520-30 lagu setahun,
29:16and then,
29:17your song tak hit
29:18the one that
29:19you write for yourself.
29:20Tapi, yang lain
29:21for 5 different artis,
29:225-5 ni hit.
29:23So, dalam 1 tahun,
29:24as a composer,
29:25you ada 5 hit.
29:26Tapi,
29:27sebagai penyanyi,
29:28you tak ada hit langsung pun.
29:29You get me?
29:30Faham tak?
29:31Tapi, you still get the...
29:32You still get money
29:33from royalties lah.
29:34And that's like
29:35for 50-70 years,
29:36for a long time.
29:37So, itu sebab
29:38Dato' M Nasir
29:39sebab
29:40dia punya
29:41MBCP collection
29:42paling tinggi.
29:43Ya, and he can
29:44actually ask people
29:45not to sing the song.
29:46Yes, they have that
29:47vowel lah juga.
29:48Is that your direction?
29:50Hopefully, tapi
29:51I lama, jauh lagi lah.
29:52Tak cukup lagu lagi
29:53nak tulis.
29:54Any crazy encounter ke tak
29:55dengan fans-fans?
29:56Any crazy encounters?
29:57No.
29:58Extreme?
29:59Extreme ones.
30:00I cannot tell you
30:01a crazy story lah,
30:02honestly.
30:03Eh, there's this one time.
30:04One time, one time.
30:06I pergi show dekat
30:09one uni,
30:10I tak ingat weh.
30:11And this fan,
30:13she just saw me.
30:14Dia okey je ambil gambar.
30:15Macam dia malu-malu.
30:16Muka pun
30:17tak ada senyum pun.
30:18Ya, tak ada senyum pun.
30:19Tapi lepas itu,
30:20I tengok balik
30:21dekat IG story.
30:22Kawan dia ambil,
30:23dia repost kan.
30:24She was crying.
30:25Like hysterically
30:26lepas dia jumpa me,
30:28crying.
30:29Betul-betul nangis
30:30macam kena rasuk.
30:31Tapi, I tengok depan-depan
30:32macam I jumpa,
30:33okey je.
30:34Dan Aziz, nice to meet you.
30:35Ya, nice to meet you.
30:36Macam tak nak ambil gambar pun.
30:37Ya, macam forced.
30:39And then she was crying
30:40like crazy tau Zeddy.
30:42Yang itulah yang paling gila.
30:44Anything else?
30:45Okay, how does it feel?
30:46Ada culture shock ke tak?
30:47Eh, time itu culture shock lah.
30:48Malaysian ah?
30:49Malaysian, Malaysian.
30:50I macam tak biasa lah benda itu.
30:51So, that was the first crazy
30:52and not crazy lah.
30:53I think sometimes kan fans ni,
30:55Malaysia ni,
30:56we have extreme fans.
30:58We have really like
30:59passionate fans.
31:00Tapi, tak lah sampai
31:01our fans tu
31:03tak sampai nak
31:04stock apa semua.
31:05your privacy.
31:06Tak ada, tak ada, tak ada.
31:07Dia gila tapi dia
31:09still control.
31:10Betul, betul.
31:11Gila yang I respect lah.
31:12Yang macam still
31:13ada boundaries dia
31:14and everything.
31:15Tapi, I tahu
31:16kat luar situ ada juga
31:17fans-fans yang betul-betul
31:18yang sampai stock orang
31:19apa semua kan.
31:20Sampai dia buat edit
31:21untuk you.
31:22Pastu kalau you
31:23tak layan dia,
31:24dia bakal viral ke
31:25yang kata Aziz ni sombong.
31:26Oh, ya?
31:27Ada seperti itu ke?
31:28Ada.
31:29Oh, ah.
31:30Dia macam hari itu kan
31:31ada viral lah sebab
31:32high council pun
31:33satu case satu-satu
31:34there was one girl
31:35she's been doing
31:36fan edits
31:37for the
31:38her favourite actor.
31:39Right.
31:40So,
31:41actor tu tak
31:42berapa acknowledge her.
31:43Okay.
31:44So, she made a post
31:45saying that no
31:46I've been doing this
31:47for some actor
31:48like there's a lot of
31:49edits and all
31:50like you tak pernah
31:51acknowledge I.
31:52Gimana I?
31:53Uh,
31:54I find Nadia
31:55even friendlier.
31:56Dia merajuk lah.
31:57Dia merajuk
31:58dia start compare.
31:59Compare,
32:00then say you know what
32:01I will not do anything
32:02for you anymore
32:03because you don't see me.
32:04Itulah.
32:05Tu yang tak best
32:06I rasa macam dekat
32:07you know with
32:08with fandom ni
32:09sometimes they are
32:10a bit too
32:11apa?
32:12Territorial.
32:13Kan?
32:14Diorang boleh rasa
32:15macam orang tu
32:16diorang punya.
32:17Do you have
32:18do you already
32:19start to feel it?
32:20Ada boleh rasa
32:21benda itulah.
32:22Tapi,
32:23I still very respectful
32:24sangat macam
32:25ada boundaries lagi
32:26and I still
32:27really appreciate them lah.
32:28Because without them
32:29diorang macam
32:30crazy for us.
32:31Because without them
32:32nothing would work lah.
32:33All the songs
32:34and what not.
32:35Sedap mana pun lagu you
32:36takkan jadi.
32:37Kan?
32:38Kalau kita nak virus
32:39siapa yang boleh tolong kita?
32:40Betul.
32:41Our fans,
32:42our supporters.
32:43So,
32:44what are the,
32:45apart from you
32:46gonna have your mini album,
32:47single,
32:48what is the
32:49the next thing
32:50that people can expect?
32:51Apart from acting?
32:52Apart from acting,
32:53I think a showcase.
32:54I just did a showcase
32:55tahun lepas.
32:56My own,
32:57my first showcase in KL.
32:58It was very small
32:59Hold on.
33:00How many people?
33:01300.
33:02It was very small.
33:03No, no, no.
33:04If I'm being honest,
33:05300 is not like
33:06the biggest crowd ever.
33:07Like last week,
33:08I just played Malam Galau.
33:09It was 3,000 people.
33:10Malam Galau itu,
33:11you know.
33:12Of course lah.
33:13Ya, ya.
33:14But to have my own show
33:15and 300 people show up
33:16and we sold tickets
33:17dalam masa tujuh minit.
33:18Jadi, sold out.
33:19So,
33:20kita pun tak expect benda itu.
33:21Jab,
33:22I just saw you
33:23taking picture with
33:24Imran Ajmain.
33:25Betul, itu semalam,
33:26yesterday.
33:27What was going on?
33:28You guys were flirting?
33:29Eh, no lah, no lah.
33:30We're just big fans of each other.
33:31He's always been a
33:32super supportive idol
33:33in my life.
33:34Dia pun sama macam you,
33:35but he came from Singapore.
33:36Indie, betul.
33:37Dia Singapore.
33:38And, ya,
33:39yesterday kita just catch up,
33:40kita just catch up kat studio.
33:41Just lepak-lepak je lah.
33:42Mana tahu boleh collab.
33:43Mana tahu, mana tahu.
33:44Dia pun buat showcase juga kan?
33:45Yes.
33:46Ya, so hopefully next year
33:47I will have a showcase again.
33:48That's the thing.
33:49If there's one thing
33:50that I'm gonna ask
33:51on behalf of the fans is lah,
33:52janganlah banyak lagu sedih-sedih sangat.
33:53Emo kenapa?
33:54Boleh lah,
33:56Susah tau, Zeddy.
33:57You nak buat lagu rancak,
33:59especially for me,
34:00I don't know why.
34:01Sebab lagu rancak,
34:02everything that is rancak right now
34:03is either, apa,
34:04Afrobeat lah,
34:05Thai lah,
34:06I buat lah!
34:07Again,
34:08I buat untuk you lah, Zeddy.
34:10I buat untuk you.
34:11Semata-mata nak ambil royalty
34:12I je.
34:13Betul, betul.
34:14Dia dah tahu.
34:15Eh, I mean,
34:16we have too many sad songs lah.
34:17Aku cinta dia,
34:18dia tak cinta aku.
34:19Aku cinta you,
34:20lepas kita break up.
34:21Tapi you happy sangat,
34:22I rasa, Zeddy.
34:23It's your problem lah.
34:24It's a you problem.
34:25It's a me problem kan,
34:26I'm too happy.
34:27Tak apa,
34:28dia akan tulis lagu pasal penyondong.
34:29Okay,
34:30maybe there's a direction that,
34:32I sayang you,
34:34tapi,
34:35ada another person sayang I.
34:37Oh,
34:38scandalous.
34:39Kita nak lagu direction macam ni.
34:41Betul, nanti,
34:42I'm the third person.
34:43Boleh,
34:44I bagi 10% nanti.
34:45Yes, 10%.
34:46Okay, so,
34:47I'm gonna let you go,
34:48and then we'll discuss more
34:49on the royalty fee semulah.
34:50Push after this.
34:51Okay,
34:52sayang semua,
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