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00:00Now back to Stiney and Gurum on 95.7 The Game.
00:04You want to have a one-on-one conversation with Grandy? Do it after 2 o'clock.
00:08Okay? He's in the mood. We just got into it. Welcome back to WFAN Radio. We're talking New York Jets and
00:17Go ahead, Dibs. Come at me. I know you're mad. I'm not mad. I hijacked the conversation.
00:22No, that was just typically selfish and rude. I'm on Willard's side.
00:27It's not even about Willard. We'll get to Mr. Lobster coming up with the two of you buttering him up.
00:33It's always about Willard.
00:35It's always about Willard.
00:37Hide the kids right now, man.
00:39No, no. You don't have to hide the kids.
00:41What the two of you do to him is
00:43pornographic.
00:45Stop it!
00:47And I'll just leave it at that.
00:49You're not allowed to leave it at that. Nobody even knows what the hell you mean.
00:51I just did.
00:53No, you're not allowed to.
00:55He makes the rules.
00:57That's right.
00:59Why are you playing with him?
01:01He actually texted you that I don't make the rules.
01:03Oh, is that what it said?
01:05Yeah, check it.
01:07Talk amongst yourselves.
01:09You were mad.
01:11I think you were mad about the target share.
01:13And I said, Dems the rules. I don't make them.
01:15I believe that's what I said.
01:17I could have been misquoted.
01:19It's possible.
01:21Yeah, you won't have to go back far.
01:23Oh, no. Dan and Willard.
01:25I'm in charge.
01:27Dems the rules.
01:29I don't make them.
01:31I don't make them.
01:33Hey, Willard.
01:35What did I text the two of you earlier?
01:37Oh, boy.
01:39Joe Cap.
01:41No, no, no. You were wrong.
01:43You texted them about me and you didn't tag me?
01:45Why are you scared of me?
01:47I'm not scared of you.
01:49I'll come at you all day.
01:51Why don't you tag me?
01:53I'm telling you now.
01:55But you should have tagged me then.
01:57It was about them.
01:59But the energy in the room has changed.
02:01It's more about them than it is about you.
02:03And I came at them because
02:05they treat you like lobster.
02:07They butter you up like you are lobster.
02:09And I texted Stiney
02:11because when Guru is wrong,
02:13Stiney waits zero seconds
02:15and he crushes him
02:17and he mocks him.
02:20So when Stiney is wrong,
02:22when you're wrong, I come at you.
02:24Because Fran Tarkenton didn't lose
02:26four Super Bowls, Stiney.
02:28I said Vikings.
02:30Joe Cap.
02:32This is what you do, Guru.
02:34You just pretend you didn't say it.
02:36You said Fran Tarkenton. Incorrect.
02:38Fran was in three.
02:40Joe Cap was in the other one.
02:42You know what you did, Stiney?
02:44You said Fran Tarkenton
02:46and then you said Bud Grant.
02:48Fran lost three.
02:50And I texted you.
02:52We can go to the tape
02:54and you can go to the app
02:56and you know what?
02:58I'm sick of all three of you.
03:00Lobster, I'm going to get to you a little bit later.
03:02When's the wedding?
03:04Because the four of us are clearly getting married.
03:06Only in Utah.
03:08Let me tell you who's not getting married.
03:10Sala and Aaron Rodgers.
03:12And this bonehead over here tried to defend
03:14Guru with his finger on the pulse of New York sports.
03:16I just said weeks ago
03:18when they were in for the bro hug
03:20during the game, it was euphoria
03:22and Aaron Rodgers said, hold on
03:24and gave him that look. That was it, Sala.
03:26You're gone. My point is
03:28last year was a wash because they didn't get Rodgers.
03:30He got hurt week one.
03:32So now, five games in
03:34that constitutes me getting
03:36fired when you're playing your worst football
03:38and we gave you your personal Mr. Hatchet
03:40offensive coordinator.
03:42Come on. I've been around. I get it.
03:44Let's just say Rodgers got Sala
03:46fired and he wanted to go
03:48the first two years his record was this.
03:50He should have been fired.
03:52But Guru's going to make the statement
03:54that he didn't deserve to be fired.
03:56He didn't kiss Rodgers' ass and that's what got him fired.
03:58I'm just not in a position
04:00to make that statement. Hold to the side
04:02whether he deserved to get fired.
04:04I don't know that anybody...
04:06Are you arguing, Stiney,
04:08that this wasn't about Aaron Rodgers?
04:10No. That's why I'm
04:12asking questions. No.
04:14What are you arguing, then?
04:16Guru made a blanket statement
04:18that he said
04:20Robert Sala
04:22did not deserve to get fired.
04:24And I just said,
04:26well, hold on a sec.
04:28Can we really say that
04:30and it be accepted as fact?
04:32Well, I don't know. He was 20 and 36
04:34in three plus years.
04:36Tell him why he got fired because now you'll answer his question.
04:38What do you mean?
04:40Do you think Robert Sala
04:42signed off on Rodgers coming to the Jets?
04:44I said yes.
04:46Or do you think he was forced to sign off?
04:48Yeah, you had nothing at quarterback.
04:50Yeah, I would...
04:52Then you've got to coach the guy.
04:54Right.
04:56You are Robert Sala
04:58and he is Aaron Rodgers.
05:00Rodgers is Rodgers.
05:02Sala, you've got to
05:04figure it out. I guess that's fair.
05:06Come on, Willard.
05:08It doesn't mean that Rodgers
05:10needed to Rodgers
05:12at age 40 after a torn Achilles.
05:14Make no mistake.
05:16And three picks.
05:18Those mistakes were his fault.
05:20Make no mistake.
05:22I'm not saying Guru's
05:24wrong.
05:26I'm saying it's possible
05:28that he did deserve to get fired.
05:30Well, I don't even know how the hell any of us
05:32could know that. I don't know what the hell
05:34is going on behind the scenes.
05:37The way I say it, we don't know.
05:39Well, but that
05:41to me feels like it's escaping
05:43what's clearly the elephant
05:45in their room, which is
05:47that Aaron Rodgers did this.
05:49The better question is
05:51did Aaron sign off on this?
05:53Oh my God.
05:55Of course we don't know, but if you think
05:57yes, then I would argue
05:59the Jets are
06:01doing some dirty business.
06:03When you're handing that kind of power
06:05to a 40-year-old
06:07torn Achilles.
06:09If they want to
06:11fire him separate of Aaron,
06:13well, then that's their decision.
06:15It certainly feels like it's got Aaron's
06:17fingerprints on it. No doubt.
06:19And that to me is kind of
06:21irrelevant.
06:23I think it's relevant based on Aaron's
06:25age, injury history, and how he's performed.
06:27Here's what I'm saying.
06:29For all we know,
06:31one of the big criticisms of Sal
06:33is, like it used to be with
06:35Schottenheimer, he's a coordinator.
06:37He's not really a head coach.
06:39He's more of a coordinator.
06:41Then that's an issue.
06:43That's all I'm saying.
06:45He's also a defensive guy, though.
06:47My bet is that's what Aaron
06:49actually doesn't like.
06:51Maybe he wants an offensive head coach.
06:53Aaron.
06:55Right.
06:57Aaron Rodgers.
06:59If you really want to look at
07:01the issue, and you can point the finger
07:03at Robert Sala
07:05all you want, but let's talk about Joe Douglas.
07:07A guy who traded
07:09a first and two seconds to get
07:11Aaron Rodgers, even though
07:13he would have been a free agent.
07:15But he was champing at the bit so much
07:17that he had to have Aaron Rodgers,
07:19so he gave up draft capital.
07:21Why don't you talk about what Joe Douglas's record
07:23is as GM before
07:25you disparage Robert Sala
07:27and his record, and maybe
07:29further up the chain
07:31to Woody Johnson.
07:33Do you realize that they have the longest
07:35playoff drought in the Big Three?
07:37Thirteen years.
07:39So we're going to go ahead and say it's
07:41Robert Sala who deserved to be fired.
07:43That, to me, is a nonsensical
07:45thumbnail sketch take.
07:47If you want to look deeper
07:49into the problems of the Jets,
07:51it goes further up than Robert Sala.
07:53You should be sending him a
07:55congratulatory message because Robert Sala
07:57is getting paid to vacation
07:59with his family, and it's a liberation
08:01sensation because he doesn't
08:03have to preside over that
08:05mess with that high-maintenance
08:07ayahuasca-taking
08:09bust of a 40-year-old quarterback.
08:11I'm congratulating you, Robert Sala.
08:13You got freed, my friend.
08:15That thing's a mess.
08:17He'll be first in line for defensive coordinator positions next year.
08:19But I wouldn't
08:21take it if I were him. He's getting paid next year, too.
08:23Oh, well, why not, though?
08:26Yeah, but...
08:28You know, coach is coach.
08:30Player is player.
08:32And what about the rumors out there?
08:34I don't want to get political, but in London,
08:36he had a Lebanon flag on his sleeve.
08:38Robert Sala did, and Woody Johnson.
08:40We all know that.
08:42So if you want to put that together,
08:44if that floats your boat, and maybe that...
08:46I don't know.
08:48These days, now, with it, I'm like, man.
08:50Sure, but here's where my mind goes
08:52because I also know NFL teams will
08:54talk a lot of things, politically and socially,
08:56if they think they can win football games.
08:58So my mind goes to
09:00Aaron Rodgers again
09:02from this standpoint.
09:04Put aside Robert Sala and think about where we were
09:06a week ago with the Jets.
09:08You're Aaron Rodgers. You are now healthy.
09:10You have Garrett Wilson.
09:12You have Brees Hall.
09:14You have another rookie running back
09:16named Braylon Allen who comes in
09:18and also looks good.
09:20And you're at home.
09:22You're three, and Mike Williams is getting healthier
09:24by the week.
09:26That's what you have.
09:28And you're at the front of the line for Devontae Adams?
09:30And you lost 10-9?
09:32And they're going to get him.
09:34And so that
09:36comes from Aaron.
09:38That's on Robert, I'm sure.
09:40Exactly.
09:42They're going to get Devontae.
09:44I don't know if that's where he's going to end up.
09:46You might be right.
09:48But if you're Aaron, and you're going...
09:50Call the GM.
09:52We could get Devontae.
09:54I'd be like, you've got plenty. Get downstairs
09:56and practice.
09:58You're turning Garrett Wilson
10:00into just a guy.
10:02And Garrett is
10:04phenomenal.
10:06He's phenomenal.
10:08And that's how many he needs
10:10to get 100 yards.
10:12You want to talk dink and dunk,
10:14go watch that team play.
10:16They can't get the ball downfield.
10:18This is a tough
10:20one for Robert.
10:22I'll leave Openstein for I don't know what the hell else
10:24is going on.
10:26But the on-field product, to me,
10:28I'm hard-pressed to put that on Robert.
10:30It's a win for Robert, I look at it.
10:32Four years now.
10:34Four years now.
10:36He had Zach Wilson last year.
10:38He drafted him.
10:40Did he draft him?
10:42Because he's the GM, right?
10:44Is he the GM?
10:46Put some respect
10:48on Joe Douglas' name
10:50before you disparage Robert Sala.
10:52Do you think Kyle
10:54Shanahan
10:56No, no, no.
10:58When he took over, the 49ers
11:00were a mess.
11:02Two years
11:04and a Super Bowl run.
11:06In the third year, he never really got
11:08the quarterback. He got Garoppolo.
11:10Do you believe
11:12if Kyle Shanahan would have followed up those
11:15two years and been 20
11:17and 36,
11:19the 49ers wouldn't have fired him?
11:21They probably would have
11:23but he was not
11:25in the same spot as Robert Sala, who is not
11:27the GM. Kyle was the GM.
11:29So Kyle was linked
11:31to what they did in the front office.
11:33He brought in the GM.
11:35When Robert Sala got the job,
11:37Joe Douglas was there and Woody Johnson
11:39was there and so Robert Sala
11:41walked into that and do you think that he was like,
11:43You know what? We need to bring in Aaron Rodgers
11:45and we need to draft Zach Wilson.
11:47None of those things, I believe, were on
11:49his desk and he was just
11:51the coach so it's a different structure.
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12:01Credit Union. I don't know if I get the
12:03comp because the Jets weren't good
12:05when Sala... Right, neither were
12:07the Niners when Kyle took over.
12:09But you comped them to what would happen
12:11when Kyle went to the Super Bowl.
12:13No, no, no. It was before that.
12:15So Kyle comes in for two years.
12:17They're terrible and they don't
12:19go to the Super Bowl that third year
12:21and now he's 20-36 after three plus?
12:23I'm not saying he's done a great job.
12:25I'm not well versed on it enough.
12:27Exactly. I do know they went
12:297-10 with people named Zach
12:31and Billy and Tim.
12:33And their defense, his specialty, balled every week.
12:35Yes, they did.
12:37So you're telling me you knew
12:40That's why you don't hire a coordinator
12:42to be a head coach.
12:44I love it.
12:46I love it.
12:48I mean, nothing like piling on a guy
12:50who just got fired. Where was this energy
12:52I don't know, last Friday?
12:54When they were still struggling.
12:56My energy is from
12:58the unequivocal statement that
13:00this guy did not deserve to be fired.
13:02Who knows?
13:04Well, you're just saying that you hire a coordinator
13:06to be a head coach.
13:08You're losing
13:10the argument.
13:12You're defending
13:14a broken franchise.
13:16You're defending the worst franchise in the NFL
13:18based on playoff drought
13:20and you're using that
13:22as a reason to say that Robert solved the problem?
13:24They haven't made the playoffs for 13 years.
13:26He missed for the last three.
13:28They clearly assumed he was going to miss for four
13:30and they said he's not turning it around.
13:32After five games.
13:34Then fire him seven weeks ago.
13:37If you are not a broken organization
13:39What's wrong with giving him a chance?
13:41So five games is a chance?
13:43Is five games a chance?
13:45It's been 56 games.
13:47Is five games a chance?
13:49What do you mean?
13:51You don't think his track record had anything
13:53to do with this?
13:55He was fired four months ago.
13:57And if he lasted to get the new quarterback
13:59who got hurt in game one,
14:01that constitutes me getting one season
14:03out of Aaron Rodgers.
14:06He got a raw deal, that's all.
14:08That's your opinion.
14:10I think the middle ground here
14:12from what I'm hearing you guys say
14:14did his previous years affect this?
14:16Sure.
14:18But that's based on Stiney
14:20the concept that the Jets
14:22front office did this.
14:24And I think other people
14:26and I'm one of them
14:28believe Aaron Rodgers did this.
14:30So if Aaron Rodgers did this
14:32and you don't have to buy that premise
14:34then he only got five games.
14:36Because these are the only five games
14:38he's played with Aaron Rodgers.
14:40Rodgers was around all last year.
14:42He was on the team limping around
14:44watching games. I don't know what that does for you.
14:46He didn't play last year
14:48but half a game.
14:50The next Bay Area coach
14:52who starts 20 and 56
14:54or whatever, 20 and 36
14:56we'll just let him finish out
14:58the season. All I'm saying is
15:00somebody in that organization felt like
15:03we can't turn it around.
15:13I don't believe Aaron Rodgers
15:15could get himself Salah fired
15:17if the organization didn't want that.
15:19Tell Mark that you fault Robert Salah
15:21for not kissing Aaron Rodgers ass
15:23because you knew what that meant.
15:25I absolutely do.
15:27In this day and age of professional sports
15:29where the players have so much
15:31Yes. As a coach
15:33you have to figure out how to coach
15:35them. That's what I think.
15:37I just do.
15:39Not an easy job.
15:41No it's not.
15:43I don't mean in general. I mean with that player.
15:45That's not an easy job.
15:47Especially when you're a defensive mind.
15:49That's not easy.
15:51Aaron is the type that
15:53you saw it. He'll throw a pick
15:55and go yell at the ref.
15:57He'll fumble the ball and scream at the left tackle.
16:00It's like dude.
16:02Get over yourself man.
16:04He very much looks like a lacking
16:06accountability type player.
16:08I've never
16:10talked to Aaron
16:12but when you watch him play football
16:14in the second half of his career
16:16he has a look about him
16:18as if everything he's doing
16:20is always perfect and when it doesn't
16:22go right it's somebody who messed up around him.
16:24And that's tough.
16:26I'm not arguing.
16:29What a hard teammate he can be.
16:31That's all fair.
16:33I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with you.
16:35I'm saying that's a hard job
16:37and if you did really only get 5 weeks to do it
16:39Man.
16:41It's a tough decision.
16:43He got 5 weeks
16:45this year.
16:475 weeks.
16:49With Aaron.
16:51Look at how it started.
16:53You can start in July
16:55when Aaron would rather have been doing
16:57Ayahuasca in Peru
16:59than come into camp.
17:01So he already was doing double middle finger
17:03to the Robert Salva era.
17:05So fire him then.
17:07And don't you dare come in for a hug.
17:09That was just the worst.
17:11They asked Shanahan
17:13what his surprise level or what his reaction
17:15was to the news.
17:17And he just said I sent him a text
17:19but we're so backed up on a Thursday week
17:21I haven't had a chance to talk to him
17:23but he did then say a few sentences
17:26Surprise he was that it was that quick.
17:28That's pretty difficult.
17:30Probably meant it quick this year.
17:32Well no his point is
17:34do they play the Bills this week?
17:36Do the Jets play the Bills?
17:38Because Kyle insinuated that he's like
17:40they're playing for first place this week.
17:42Like that's pretty tough
17:44to fire a guy in week 6
17:46when you're right in the
17:48quote thick of it. One way or another they're only a game out of
17:50first place in the AFCs.
17:52So you know.
17:55Defense is the 4th rated in the league.
17:57It's tough.
17:59I get it.
18:01Kyle Shanahan was 29
18:03and 36 after 4 years.
18:05With a NFC championship.
18:07After 4.
18:09But 29 and 36 he had 3 bad years
18:111 good year.
18:13But the big year was the 3rd year.
18:15That was huge.
18:17Once you win in a 3rd year
18:19you probably buy yourself the next year.
18:21Yeah but some don't even get there.
18:23Some don't even get it.
18:25Like Brian Flores.
18:27He got fired after 3 years
18:29his record was 500.
18:31And how's that working out now?
18:33I'm just not
18:35I'm just not
18:37purporting to say back here
18:39that he did or didn't deserve it.
18:41He's been there for a while now.
18:45I'll just say this, when you see the lead story
18:47on ESPN.com
18:49is the Jets owner publicly stating
18:52that his decision to fire Sala was
18:54quote, mine alone.
18:56And that's the number 1 story.
18:58Well that tells you that the opposite is true.
19:00That's why it's the number 1 story.
19:02Because nobody buys that.
19:04What if, who knows,
19:06what if we had 100 Jets fans in here
19:08and 90% of them said
19:12this guy, he's a coordinator.
19:14He's like Schottenheimer.
19:16He shouldn't be a head coach.
19:18He's really a defensive coordinator.
19:21New York fans
19:23always think that after 5 games.
19:25Do you know what I mean?
19:27Again, I'm not even disputing you.
19:29To me this is about
19:31if the Jets were tired of him
19:33because something's going on behind the scenes like we don't know.
19:35You just brought up Flores.
19:37Turns out that his quarterback 2 years later
19:39wants to go on a podcast in tears
19:41about the way that Flores treated him.
19:43Those are the things we don't know.
19:45But this just reeks
19:47of Aaron.
19:49And if it's Aaron,
19:51then I would buy
19:53that's a pretty tough deck of cards.
19:55That's a pretty difficult hand
19:57had to get dealt.
19:59Well, the reason it was a very difficult hand
20:01is because Salah
20:03came into the year
20:05with 3 losing seasons in a row.
20:07And expectations.
20:09Exactly.
20:11Those are the things
20:13that always drive the bus.
20:15Your coach of the year, how?
20:18By being good when you didn't have expectations.
20:20So go ahead and give the award to Kevin O'Connell now.
20:22That's already done.
20:24Because we thought you were going to suck
20:26and you're 5-0.
20:28But the reverse then becomes true too.
20:30We said for 2 years you're a quarterback away.
20:32And now you've got a quarterback
20:34and you're only 2-3 and not scoring a lot of points.
20:36I'd actually argue
20:38we don't really know that you've got a quarterback.
20:40You've got a guy who used to be a quarterback.
20:42That's all I'm saying.
20:44And that's why when you say
20:47Salah did not deserve to get fired
20:49I don't know that one way or the other.
20:51That's what I'm saying.
20:53I'm not saying he did or didn't
20:55but he didn't if this came from Aaron.
20:57That's my opinion.
20:59Disagree with him.
21:01Come at him.
21:03What do you mean?
21:05You disagree with him. Let's go. Let's hear it.
21:07He just wants you to fire him.
21:09I want that same energy
21:11that he brings elsewhere.
21:13You know what? I guess it is.
21:15Exactly.
21:17I'm not afraid to say
21:19I'm not sure if Salah
21:21deserved to get fired
21:23or not.
21:25I'm pretty confident to say this.
21:27If you think that he deserved to be fired
21:29all you have to do is look at the organization
21:31that fired him and realize
21:33that they are the Los Angeles Clippers.
21:35You stink.
21:37The last time you were in the playoffs
21:39Mark Sanchez was your quarterback.
21:41That is 2010.
21:44Your owner is a moron.
21:46Your GM is an imbecile.
21:48If you want to use
21:50a 40 year old broken down
21:52drug doing quarterback
21:54as your barometer
21:56You can't say he's a drug doing.
21:58Is ayahuasca a drug?
22:00It's a medical drug.
22:02Has he or has he not admitted to doing ayahuasca?
22:04You do realize
22:06Are you going to cut me off
22:08and deny me?
22:10Ayahuasca
22:13is a medical.
22:15Is it still a drug?
22:17You're a drug taker too.
22:19Not in a long time now.
22:21I'm years clean.
22:23You're not on any prescription like Advil?
22:25Advil is a medicine.
22:27I wouldn't say it's a drug.
22:29It's pharmaceutical.
22:31I'm a drug doer.
22:33If you want me to go to the boss
22:35and say Steinmetz needs to be out
22:37and he buys it
22:39then that's foolish because Steinmetz
22:41Aaron Rodgers is the one who did this
22:43and your GM is an imbecile
22:45and your owner is a moron.
22:47So if you want to say he deserves to be fired
22:49which is what you said for 4 hours
22:51you can go ahead and do that.
22:53The Jets are a joke.
22:55Last Jets coach fired in season.
22:57Who cares?
22:59I'm not asking you.
23:01Who cares?
23:03Last Jets coach fired in season.
23:05Not Adam Gase.
23:071976.
23:10We view banks.
23:12Lou Holtz.
23:14He didn't deserve it.
23:16Replaced by who?
23:18That didn't get that far.
23:20Holovac, whoever that is.
23:22Just answer me this.
23:24How are you guys going to spin this
23:26to a victory
23:28when Jeff Olbrecht
23:30gets him on a 5 game winning streak?
23:32First of all there's no T in his last name.
23:34But that doesn't get you off the hook.
23:36Yes it does.
23:39Who's to say they wouldn't have won 5 with Salah?
23:41And then who's to say
23:43when I was saying
23:45the Giants if they win it next year
23:47it's actually Farhan's team
23:49you didn't want to give me that.
23:51Because that's a stretch.
23:53What if they lose the next 2 in a row?
23:55They're on prime time the next 2 weeks.
23:57Lucky us.
23:59Breeze Hall is a non-factoring fan.
24:01I lost.
24:03If you want to get mad
24:05it's whoever the hell is in charge
24:07Look at their offensive line
24:09which is an absolute sieve.
24:11Tyron Smith, he's doing his thing.
24:13He's doing his thing.
24:15It takes a unit.
24:17Did you guys get the breaking news on Hufanga?
24:19Did you put that out there?
24:21He's got torn ligaments in his wrist.
24:23He's out at least a month.
24:25The Carfax Report.
24:27What's that for?
24:29Your facial expression is like
24:31whatever.
24:33It's not whatever.
24:36You're the one who came in here.
24:38I'm out.
24:40He was talking wild card
24:42and you let him get away with it the other day.
24:44You deserve to be out.
24:46Exactly.