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00:00The world would be my lab.
00:02We'll see.
00:03Yeah, we'll see.
00:04We're not there yet.
00:04Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7, The Game.
00:09All right, it's crossover time.
00:10We welcome in Dan Dibley and Mark Willard,
00:13along with Daryl The Guru Johnson and myself.
00:17What's up, gents?
00:18How you doing?
00:18What's up, boys?
00:19Yeah, feeling good coming off the souls of mischief there.
00:2293 till infinity.
00:23It makes me think that song came out more recently
00:27than the 49ers winning in Minnesota.
00:31Last time they won in Minnesota, 1992.
00:34That song was called 93 to infinity, souls of mischief.
00:37Shout out, Oakland, California.
00:38Souls of mischief, from 93 till.
00:41Exactly, exactly.
00:42Man, look at the will.
00:43Secret flavor on Willard, secret flavor.
00:46I couldn't get enough of Mr. Feeley.
00:48I like to keep it.
00:49I like to keep it under a blanket.
00:50Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51It's good.
00:52Doc Feeley was great yesterday.
00:54What are you doing?
00:55This is fascinating to me.
00:57Okay, what do you do?
00:58Now, Guru's going to hold him out until week six.
01:00No, I just.
01:01Okay, week six.
01:02He's determined that.
01:03Week six.
01:03Week six.
01:05Because he knows.
01:07Yeah, that is the job.
01:08No, it's become the go-to.
01:10It's funny because I actually will find my way
01:12doing it at home with the baby, you know?
01:15That's cool.
01:15This can't stop, won't stop.
01:16It's actually out of control.
01:18I haven't had a conversation with him
01:21in the last four weeks where it doesn't happen.
01:24It's like every other set.
01:25I'm trying not to, but we're watching Sesame Street
01:28and I'm telling my two-year-old daughter,
01:30that's Cookie Monster.
01:31Cookie Monster.
01:32Cookie Monster.
01:33And so, and she looks at me like, what's wrong with you?
01:35But I mean, the original John Sally
01:39was just a John Sally.
01:41There you go.
01:42I'm kind of with you.
01:43I'm team bubble wrap.
01:45I don't know if week six is the number,
01:46but artificial turf in two, you don't play.
01:49Artificial turf in week three, you don't play.
01:52Then you got four or five on grass.
01:54I look at week four, Guru, as a time to bring him back.
01:57Hey, Mark, is this-
01:58Yes, sir.
01:58Is this the same partner you had a few weeks ago
02:01when he was saying, oh, why not play in the preseason?
02:05And it's football.
02:06Oh, well, exactly.
02:08This is an injury though.
02:09This is not a preseason game.
02:10Well, no, but football does take us to hypocritical places.
02:13Like shout out to all of you Super Bowl or bus people
02:16who now don't want to play Christian McCaffrey
02:18and he's signed for multiple years.
02:20So let's start worrying about next year too.
02:23I've been coached for the last eight weeks.
02:25We're not supposed to care about next year.
02:27It's week to week.
02:28It's year to year.
02:29Stop worrying about the future.
02:31So I'm not saying-
02:32You can't win the Super Bowl in week two,
02:33but you can lose it now.
02:35No, you can't.
02:35No, you can't.
02:36You can if Christian McCaffrey goes out
02:37and his leg explodes.
02:39Christian McCaffrey being out
02:40does not lose the Super Bowl necessarily.
02:43It hurts your chances.
02:44I mean, when Carson Wentz was going to be the MVP,
02:47the Super Bowl was over, right?
02:49When he tore his ACL.
02:50That's it.
02:51There goes that dream.
02:52And then Nick Foles won the Super Bowl.
02:54I don't know what's going to happen next.
02:55And I get where every answer y'all have,
02:59I can't refute it because I don't feel qualified.
03:03And Stein, he's been saying that all day.
03:04Like, I have no idea how he feels.
03:06But can I let you in on why I'm more concerned?
03:10Sure.
03:11This is not week five and he got rolled up on
03:13or week six or week seven.
03:15Your last football game was in January.
03:18February.
03:19Okay, February.
03:20Help me out.
03:20All those months to come in and say,
03:22you know what, it ain't feel.
03:24So are we sure time heals?
03:27That's what I'm worried about.
03:28Like, he's had downtime.
03:31You hadn't been doing anything and it's barking.
03:34So are we so sure if we even do the,
03:36I know I'm being ludicrous with five weeks.
03:38Luda.
03:39Are we still sure when he gets back
03:41that the body's going to react once he's done with said game?
03:45Absolutely not.
03:46We're never going to be sure about anything.
03:48But that's probably the difference
03:49between the way our brains work
03:51and the way people who play football work.
03:54No, we're never sure.
03:55You're not going to be sure.
03:56It's never safe.
03:57It's never okay.
03:59It's never, it's never.
04:00What's the injury rate in the NFL, Mark?
04:02A hundred percent.
04:03Okay, there you go.
04:04This is an area where athletes have lost
04:06Duran and Greenlaw, but Joe Burrow just beat it last year.
04:09I mean, well, did he beat it?
04:10I mean, they came in fourth place.
04:12So I don't know if he beat it.
04:14I now apparently he can't pick up a Gatorade bottle.
04:16That was weird video.
04:18I don't, like, that's the thing.
04:19I don't know how he feels.
04:21I'm not a doctor.
04:23I don't know what's safe.
04:24And I don't know if safe is even possible.
04:27Like, but at a certain,
04:28so that's sort of what we're grappling with is
04:31what risk are you willing to take
04:33knowing that all things are some risk?
04:36Like you're going to, you know what I mean?
04:37You can't avoid it.
04:38You can be like week six.
04:39Well, what if he's still got a little tweak
04:41in their week six?
04:42Then you wait till week nine.
04:43What if it's still their week nine?
04:45Then you hope by week 13, he's ready.
04:47Are you sitting out the season
04:48because it doesn't feel perfect?
04:50Depends on how badly it feels.
04:52And again, none of us can play amateur doctor
04:54and we'll play some Kyle from the Kyle presser today.
04:57We'll play a little McCaffrey
04:58and they're giving you a little bit more insight
05:00into what they think is the severity
05:04of the current situation.
05:05So don't know if he'll play on Sunday or not,
05:07but just doesn't seem to be as alarmist to them
05:11as it is to us.
05:12But back of your mind,
05:13Gu, you do have that fear because one bad step,
05:17it can go and it's gonna cost you nine months.
05:19And if the Niners were of the mind of week six,
05:22if that was of their mind, then he's on IR.
05:26Get a roster spot.
05:27And Kyle poo-pooed the idea of IR firmly.
05:31And who's the backup to the backup?
05:33Like, are we gonna give it to Mason 28 times again
05:36every week?
05:37Isaac Garrendo.
05:38Get up to speed, young man.
05:39It's probably that other guy,
05:40Patrick Taylor Jr.
05:42Garrendo got on the field though the other night.
05:44He sure did.
05:45He got on the field.
05:45Three plays.
05:47Shout out GT.
05:48I think that's zero for Taylor and three for Garrendo
05:50if I'm correct.
05:51So I think Garrendo's next.
05:55And by the way, the coach's last name is Shanahan.
05:58So I've been coached my whole life to know
05:59that you can put anybody you want back there.
06:02And that's where this thing is going.
06:03And you might get 100 yards
06:05out of whoever the hell you stick back there.
06:07You might.
06:08That's fair, man.
06:09If you're gonna ask for 29 touches for JP Mason,
06:14he had 28 carries and one catch.
06:1729 for a guy in week one.
06:19Yeah, he's fresh.
06:20And boy, he looks good.
06:21But if you're gonna 29 your way
06:23through September and October,
06:25he might wear down a little bit.
06:26Did you hear what he said to Christian
06:28though after the game?
06:29I told Sandy that.
06:29This was great.
06:30And it got lost because of everybody getting all freaked out
06:32about him not being happy with
06:35when did you know you were starting.
06:37The quote of the game for JP Mason was him saying
06:41that he went to Christian McCaffrey
06:43after 28 carries and went,
06:44I don't know how the hell you do this.
06:47How do you do this every game every year?
06:50And obviously Christian could answer and be like, I don't.
06:53Every other year, I miss 14 games.
06:56Last year they played 20 games.
06:58How many of those 20 games do you think Christian McCaffrey
07:02had 20 or more touches in a game?
07:05I know he didn't play in one of them.
07:08They didn't play in one of them.
07:0817.
07:09You got 17 to 20?
07:11Wait, so, well, okay.
07:13So we're talking carries and catches combined.
07:16I'm going 20.
07:17Every game.
07:18Every game he played.
07:18He didn't play in one, I'll split the difference, 18.
07:2214 is the answer, 14.
07:25And there was that stretch when they,
07:27the Cleveland stretch where they also lost
07:29to Cincinnati and Minnesota.
07:30Those were times where, because they were trailing,
07:32I think they didn't run it as much.
07:34But 14 to 20 times, he had 20 or more combined.
07:38So, you know, it's not like you're gonna give him 28
07:41like you did J.P. Mason, or 29 rather.
07:43Yeah, it's so funny, all show long,
07:45and even yesterday, how we parry Mason or people.
07:48Not me, because I don't care.
07:50Oh, so he was hurt when he signed his deal.
07:53Like McCaffrey.
07:56What good does that do you now?
07:57It doesn't matter.
07:58You signed him.
07:59He probably felt good then.
08:00Wasn't a game.
08:01The next few days, you paid him because he was worth it.
08:05Yeah.
08:05But the amount of, he knew he was hurt when he signed
08:08is just like Monday morning quarterback.
08:10I mean, the Warriors went to the hospital
08:12with a max deal for Klay Thompson, didn't they?
08:15I mean, like you have to project things,
08:17and sometimes you're wrong.
08:19This is true with every draft pick.
08:21And by the way, I don't even know that that's the case here.
08:23But if you've got tendonitis in April,
08:27I'm not sitting there being like,
08:28well, that's damaged goods.
08:31No, like.
08:32He'll be fine.
08:32Yeah, he's gonna be, and I actually still feel that way.
08:35Christopher McCaffrey's gonna play this year.
08:38Of course.
08:39Hopefully a lot.
08:41Hopefully almost all of the season.
08:42Hopefully this will be forgotten
08:44by the time October gets here, and everything's fine.
08:48But, you know, like fingers crossed every time they play.
08:52Well, all of them, right?
08:53Yeah.
08:54And you watch, you know, the way Debo plays
08:56with the ferocity and all that,
08:57and he got shaken up in the Monday night game.
08:59Take him off the kick return.
09:00I'll tell you, he goes, but it's football.
09:02But I don't need that.
09:03I like the Debo threat on the kick return.
09:05And you know who's back there with him, right?
09:07On kick return.
09:08Cowan?
09:09No, your guy.
09:10Yushek?
09:11Yushek, yes.
09:12Yes.
09:13They treat it like an I-formation play.
09:14Catch of the game.
09:15If you wanna dare kick it short of the goal line,
09:18we're gonna have Yushek be the lead,
09:19blocking fullback, and Debo right behind him.
09:22Lots of luck.
09:23That's why the Jets put it in the end zone,
09:25I think, every time, but one.
09:27Except they bounced it once, though, too.
09:29That's right.
09:30They bounced it once.
09:30But other than that, when you see Debo back there,
09:33you don't want him with a lead blocker
09:35and a head start on you.
09:36That's a recipe for disaster.
09:38For him, too, though,
09:39because he was slow to get up a few times
09:40with those collisions.
09:41Yep, no doubt.
09:42Will, real quick, your son's story on the fantasy.
09:45I thought I had a story of a loss.
09:47I'm in the car listening to that.
09:49That is heartbreak hotel.
09:52For those who weren't listening.
09:53Help me out.
09:54He was a McCaffrey guy, like so many of you were,
09:57and he finds out an hour before.
09:58He's in the stadium, and they're texting me,
10:00like, you gotta do something, dad.
10:01What are we gonna do?
10:03They're like, the only thing he can do is pick up juice.
10:08And everyone's like, well, that's not gonna work.
10:10And then juice catches it at the four,
10:12and you're like, he's gonna win the game!
10:15And he falls at the two, and he lost by four points.
10:1910 years old.
10:20Hey, good effort, though.
10:21I know, I was like, oh, that's a heart.
10:24You know what that is, Debs?
10:25It's a palpitation sensation.
10:27Yeah, it sure is, cha-ching, when the heart starts beating.
10:29Cha-ching!
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10:42My mentality is I'm-
10:43Why is it up to me to say something like that?
10:45Because it's your last day golfing of the year.
10:47I was just about to speak for you.
10:49Oh, okay.
10:50My mentality is I'm playing this week, quote.
10:53Oh, Christian McCaffrey.
10:55No, see, he's a gladiator,
10:58but I guess I live with the,
11:00would you say, hey, we know that's how you feel, son,
11:03but sit this one out, Gipper.
11:06We need you to sit this one out.
11:08I mean, his mentality had better be
11:10that he's going to play this week.
11:11His mentality needs to be that.
11:14Now, how's his body?
11:15Is he able to run and cut and stop and jump
11:18and do all the things he needs to do?
11:19Boy.
11:20That has nothing to do with his mentality,
11:21unless you're really, really hurt.
11:23So yeah, he's preparing it every day,
11:26treatment, stretching, workouts, whatever he can do.
11:29He's getting ready for Sunday and you have to do that.
11:31Well, and you don't have to make decisions
11:34until you have to make decisions.
11:35Bob Myers, what are you having for dinner on Friday night?
11:39Don't know.
11:40There you go.
11:41Turkey burgers.
11:42Okay, that's fine,
11:43but you don't have to make that decision until Friday.
11:45So the 49ers-
11:46I actually never make that decision,
11:47but I get your point.
11:48Yeah, so you were told you're having turkey burgers.
11:51Anyway, yeah, that's great.
11:53His mentality is that.
11:55I just struggle with,
11:57I have no idea how we're putting logic
12:01on any of the answers that are based on the idea of when.
12:06So like, there's so many people who are like,
12:10don't play him this week.
12:12Well, but is next week okay?
12:14Why would next week be okay if this week's not okay?
12:19We don't know how he feels.
12:20Both games are on turf.
12:23I have no idea.
12:24Stylings said they would catch Hale.
12:25We don't want anything to happen,
12:26but if something did, however long they wait,
12:29somebody will be like, you should have did this.
12:31That's what sucks.
12:32You know what I mean?
12:33You're gonna catch it regardless.
12:35That's the beauty of being a fan
12:36is you get to make that judgment.
12:38Either they bubble wrap him,
12:40don't play him, and they lose, and you're mad,
12:42or they play him and something bad happens,
12:44and win or lose, it doesn't matter, and you're mad.
12:46You get the ability to be mad.
12:49Sure, nobody gets to stop anybody else from being mad,
12:52but I feel like coaches in football
12:56tend to lean toward this idea.
12:59If you're told by your doctors that your guys are ready,
13:04let's go.
13:05They play, exactly.
13:05Let's go.
13:06Because there's no way to protect anybody,
13:08even if you're fully healthy.
13:10And the last thing they wanna do,
13:12like if we're gonna rip him, if he goes out there
13:15and it does get worse, all right, well,
13:17how about if they bubble wrap him
13:19and they start losing football games?
13:21Now what?
13:22And Kristen's over there like, I'm ready.
13:25I wanna play.
13:26And the Niners are losing games.
13:28Well, he gets ripped.
13:29The one thing I don't think Kyle Shanahan thinks is,
13:34okay, I think we can beat Minnesota without McCaffrey,
13:39so let's give him a, it's like, no.
13:42I totally agree with that.
13:43If he's ready, he's gonna play him.
13:45And this is where I'm different, I guess.
13:49One week of football.
13:51We not like you.
13:52One week of football and what are we talking about?
13:58Oh, Christian McCaffrey.
13:59Well, you can't play him,
14:01because we need the playoffs, okay.
14:03Jordan Mason.
14:04We can't run him 28 times because he's a backup
14:08and he needs to play.
14:09Debo Samuel.
14:10Well, you can't have him return kicks
14:12because we got, it's like, you gotta play football.
14:15These guys gotta play.
14:16Yeah, man.
14:17Coaches are gonna treat their players
14:19the way my kids treat dessert, man.
14:21It's right now, let's go get it,
14:23and I'm not saving any for tomorrow.
14:27Like, look at the Le'Veon Bell story.
14:29Look at many running backs through the history,
14:31especially if Shanahan's the last name of the head coach.
14:34Turn and burn.
14:36Let's go.
14:37Orlando's gear, remember him.
14:38There's no saving it for next week
14:40or let's get some tread on the tires for 2025 or whatever.
14:46The much more popular concept is let's go win
14:50and when it's time to replace you, we will.
14:53Let me throw this at you,
14:54because I don't have any proof of this,
14:55but it's just the way I feel about Shanahan.
14:58I kind of feel like he's the kind of coach
15:00that if McCaffrey plays,
15:04he's gonna run 25 times.
15:07Like, Kyle doesn't wanna use McCaffrey and say,
15:10well, you know, maybe we should only rush him 12, 15 times.
15:15I don't think he's that kind of coach.
15:16I would agree if he would've had Kemp,
15:18but the no Kemp, I do think he probably
15:20gets the IUK treatment.
15:21And IUK played, what, about 70% of the snaps?
15:24Maybe even a little less, yeah.
15:26He definitely came out just on substitutions.
15:30And what if team doctors tell him otherwise?
15:34I think Shanahan would rather not have him play at all
15:37than have to consider, I can't use him like I wanna use him.
15:43Oh, I don't know if I agree with that.
15:45Like, I mean, I don't know the way he looks at it,
15:47but if the doctors are like, look,
15:50we really feel like for both this year and beyond,
15:53you're gonna get the most,
15:54your best bet is just shoot for 15 to 18 touches a game.
16:01I think Kyle can work with that.
16:04You know what I mean?
16:05And then it becomes circumstantial.
16:07Like, what about this, all right?
16:09Everybody wants to limit Christian to under 20 touches,
16:13all right, but you're playing the Chiefs here,
16:17what is that, week seven or eight?
16:18Week seven.
16:19Okay, fourth quarter, Christian's already at 19 touches.
16:23There's 10 minutes to go in the game, the game's tied.
16:26And you've got the ball at your own 11-yard line.
16:29Dude, are you riding that horse or not?
16:31Of course. I'm riding it.
16:31Of course, and that's why I kind of side with Stiney
16:34on this question about what Kyle would prefer,
16:37because he's gonna get into a game, like you were saying,
16:39you wanna win the football game
16:41and he gives you the best chance to win the game.
16:42So there won't be a pitch count per se.
16:45Now, that being said, I know a lot of fans
16:48wanna see Christian pulled out of the game
16:50when you're up by three scores with eight minutes left.
16:52And Kyle has not shown an eagerness to do that
16:57throughout the course of his tenure.
16:58So that's another thing that could be worth watching
17:01when McCaffrey does play.
17:02This was a conversation before we even found out
17:04something was going on with him this year.
17:06Yeah. We were just like,
17:07oh, you look at the Carfax report the last time.
17:09Two years at Carolina when he carried it this much,
17:11he played three games.
17:13And then lo and behold, no preseason.
17:15I'm like, nothing to see here.
17:16And he was kind of making fun of me.
17:18And then now this, we don't know.
17:20I don't know.
17:21I just, I totally get the concept
17:24that everybody wants to like elongate this
17:27as long as possible.
17:30Even that history of 400 touches
17:33and then the next year's not good.
17:34380 touches, the next year's not good.
17:37I'm like, dude, he's a running back in the NFL.
17:41Like, look at all your favorite running backs in the NFL
17:44and tell me which ones, maybe Derrick Henry.
17:48Boy, he's still a man.
17:50Easy, easy with the Henry slander.
17:52Yeah, he's tab dancing, the weak one he was.
17:54No, but my point is like, they all get hurt.
18:01They all have quick drop-offs.
18:04We know this.
18:05Todd Gurley and you know, other guys
18:08who were, that was dramatic.
18:10Some happened overnight.
18:12But I, and I'm going to do a deep dive, Stiney, for you.
18:14You'll be on the course, not now, but later.
18:17Cause I know you're trying to get up out of this place.
18:19Yeah, why the hell is the bag, who's next?
18:21It's the last midweek round of the year.
18:24Willer don't care.
18:24Hello, friends.
18:25Karika Park is the setting, Karika North.
18:28I know, but you know, I was just out there.
18:30Who else you got?
18:30Schleifer, Dan Daly.
18:31No, Kay Willey.
18:33I love Kay Willey.
18:34Fun to play with.
18:36I don't know who the fourth is.
18:37All right, hit him straight.
18:38Like, this is what I've never asked you.
18:40Karika.
18:41Karika Park.
18:42You're four minutes late.
18:44They're like, dude, you're Matt Flipping Steinmetz.
18:48Not anymore.
18:48Full T-sheets now, Mark.
18:50Full T-sheets.
18:51You don't need to be.
18:52You don't need to be 17 minutes early for your T-take.
18:55I have a pregame, Mark.
18:57What is it?
18:58I have a pregame.
18:59Why don't you loop this into your back?
19:01All right.
19:01You know what?
19:02Let me think about that.
19:03I was going to do a deep dive for you,
19:05and I want to look at the efficiency of Christian McCaffrey
19:08after the 20th touch in a game.
19:10I love it.
19:11Cause Captain Bubblewrap over here,
19:13we got to keep him below 20.
19:15I'm going to do the homework and see exactly.
19:17I think that's a great.
19:18You said you want to keep him below 20.
19:20No, I didn't.
19:21Well, you guys can finish this conversation up on 95.7.
19:26Hit him straight.
19:27The game.