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00:00Would you be surprised if the Bears kind of played the Niners tough?
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03:04Well, usually this is when you guys come in and say so I heard you talking about this
03:08No, we'll have us on today. Oh, I went for a hike today. How about I
03:13You ever come out with some like a take and it's like, you know what that was
03:17Harsher than I wanted and then you kind of most days and then you kind of yeah most there it back
03:23So, let me give you the paired back version. Okay. All right help us out now 49ers
03:28They had three guys who held out I said, you know wanted more money in the offseas
03:33I mean sort of what are you McCaffrey and Trent Williams, sir?
03:38So I was thinking they essentially put two guys through the ringer and one guy
03:44Got his money in a snap of a finger now
03:48Evan brought up a good point that maybe that had a lot to do with the fact that you could get McCaffrey for 16 and
03:54The other two were gonna be more than that
03:56but what I was thinking about is as it was prolonged over the course of the offseason I
04:03uke and Trent Williams
04:06Got criticized at some point or the other for holding out or not coming to terms
04:14Selfish or you know what?
04:17One much more than the other sure. Yes
04:20by breaking off McCaffrey
04:23Immediately, he got to skate from any of that kind of criticism that the others got
04:30But they were all doing the same thing because the Niners
04:34You know, we didn't really hear about McCaffrey was just like boom it's done
04:38But he really in principle did the same thing as I uke and Trent Williams, I guess. Okay, you're a man of nuance
04:45I'm told oh sure
04:46And so here's a couple things that I that I think to be fair need to be added to the conversation
04:51One of them is not terribly fun. I now look back at August
04:55I don't know what was going on with Trent Williams and his family and I therefore don't know how much of it was actually that
05:03Because we did hear all along Trent's gonna be there and Trent's an old guy. And so
05:08Him not being in camp is actually maybe even by design, right?
05:14also
05:15Trent and Christian. I can't put them in the same sentence as I uke because what they were basically asking for
05:22Was really just a little extra crumb
05:25There's a little extra piece, you know a little something for the for the accomplishment
05:31Brandon's looking for a completely new
05:34Life-changing like what is the direction of my career type of a thing? Couldn't I say though that?
05:42Yes, while the money was different. They all essentially wanted to be among the highest paid in their position
05:47Well Christian already was so he wanted to he needed to be right needed to stay at the top
05:52Yeah, and they wanted the guaranteed money, right?
05:55Right, you can say that anyway
06:00Oh
06:02Yeah, cuz I'm with you
06:04I we were told the Trent had like a wink wink deal because of where he's at in his age and
06:10Camp was kind of a monotony. So it was all good. Just stay working out. We heard Lynch talk about it
06:16So that's why I don't look at Trent is selfish and he's an all pro. He's been an all pro
06:21So as McCaffrey, so I look at it as rank
06:24The importance was McCaffrey Trent and then the reason it got so to me messy what I uke is
06:31For a second. I thought you were trying to get Justin Jefferson money
06:34Jim something you I deemed you weren't worth and that's different than those two
06:39But Stani we had a provocative conversation and it started when you said you thought McCaffrey was hurt
06:46How did that just go and I said he what they didn't had they know known he was gonna miss eight games
06:52Well, I wouldn't have went that easy and I don't believe they knew he was hurt
06:55I don't how do you look at that cuz I say well, how do you know?
06:58Oh, here's here's how I look at it. I don't like it
07:01It feels like the premise here is is maybe not sort of like I wouldn't share it and in two ways
07:09It feels like the first of all the premise that if they wanted more money, they're selfish
07:13I don't know that what that a equals be there. No doubt. You have to get your money. You have to try
07:19Thank God I you got here. Well, thank God for him for him for real not. Thank God for the 49ers
07:27So so that's the first thing. The second thing is it feels like the premise is that Christian and Trent?
07:34Something about those they're really just restructures to a degree. I know there's a little extra money on there
07:40That doesn't damage the 49ers in any way
07:43I like I don't think that nothing happened there that now handcuffs them or hurt the team around
07:49Then that's why yeah, I oh, I don't think that because we were talking about talking about two highly accomplished
07:56Well probable future Hall of Famers
07:59That's why I put Brandon over here Trenton Christian over there because Brandon's is a completely different deal
08:06I didn't feel like deserved
08:08He got it so good for him
08:10but I wouldn't assign Brandon I you to that and it may potentially handcuff you on different things going forward or
08:17Force your hand to cut players that you're not quite really ready to cut
08:22Like so I like I don't know. Do you guys think that they're selfish because no, no, I don't it's okay
08:28No, but I I do think McCaffrey because of the way it was handled was able to avoid
08:35That kind of criticism that came up
08:38Periodically during the course of that don't you guys think I think it's this simple as far as Christian not getting criticism
08:44It was incredibly quiet and and the offseason
08:47Trent's was incredibly quiet
08:50But was happening as the season was approach. Yeah during camp Brandon's was loud two days after the Super Bowl
08:57Okay, then I would ask
08:59How loud it was what about
09:02But why wouldn't they have just kind of if they winked winked to Trent?
09:07Why didn't they wink wink to McCaffrey?
09:10How do you know they didn't they did something
09:13I mean instead of taking McCaffrey taking care of McCaffrey immediately just kind of said
09:19but it will deal with him just like we dealt with Trent and
09:22Because I think by doing what it would look like to others
09:26That I bet Christian won't hate that idea. And why would you have to do that though?
09:31Christian don't want to sit and make it look different the optics which oh, yeah now
09:35But he might I'm asking about like I mean Kyle joked that he was running routes as he was walking down the aisle in the
09:42Offseason that guy don't want to miss camp. I know he doesn't want to miss camp. He's a lot younger than Trent
09:47No, I get all that. I'm just I'm just saying on the surface. I
09:52Lumped the three of them together and I'm not even gonna use the word selfish because it's the NFL the three guys
09:58It you know made it a priority to take care of themselves because the game is so
10:02Physical and violent. Yeah, and the one guy that got taken care of right away. I don't know. It's just
10:10he avoided all kinds of criticism, but
10:14Philosophically did the same thing as the other two guys
10:17Yeah philosophically, but in reality he didn't because he didn't miss any camp
10:21And so even though philosophically he wanted to get his money as they all did he did it and you know
10:27We had the reports of Oh McCaffrey may want new money and within a day or two it was done, right?
10:33So he was ready to go to camp and he was ready to play football in theory
10:37But then the injury cropped up and he couldn't play for me
10:39The the bigger question in all of this is the Niners front office and I actually shared something on our thread earlier
10:46Who's had a worse year this year Kyle Shanahan John Lynch or Pirog Marotte because Pirog?
10:53Reworked Debo's deal and now Debo is a player that you can't get rid of unless you want to eat
10:5932 million dollars in dead cat money and you gave Brennan Iuke 30 million and no one knew that he would get hurt
11:05But you kind of knew that he wasn't gonna be that the receiver that was gonna be worth 30 million
11:11Pirog Marotte in my opinion made bad deals this offseason and they're gonna come home to roost
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11:27Which one would you say because I think that's being harsh
11:30They've had bad luck and at the day of the signings for all three outside of IU mainly Trent McCaffrey
11:37You've already got something from Debo. He delivered and it's a bad year
11:42We don't know why but it's all everybody's suffering
11:45But what contract of those do you think he had a bad offseason because nobody questioned either one and the one that would be IU
11:51Yeah, IU. I mean you could have signed him in March for 25 million and instead you dragged the whole thing out
11:58He missed camp and you ended up giving him 30 anyway
12:00And then he got hurt and Debo you reworked his deal and I don't think the Debo is the same player that he was last
12:06year and maybe it's the Super Bowl hangover or the scheme or whatever you want to point to but
12:12Debo Samuel is probably the 43rd best wide receiver in football right now and yet you're on the hook for
12:19another 43 million in
12:21Cap hit for a guy who was coming up on his 30th birthday
12:25It feels a little bit to me like the Giants when you gave out all those
12:28Thank you contracts and now you're stuck with you know
12:31You've got Bosa who is making huge money and he's not playing and you've got
12:36Debo Samuel who's making a big piece of change and he's not the same player and I you've got 30 million and he's not playing
12:43You're kind of stuck in a lot of these contracts
12:45I think Debo is the same player and I and I think that that a lot of what so why is this year been bad then
12:51For the same reason it's been bad for a lot of guys like everything around them has has crumbled
12:56Nobody's doing well the you know, we had Greg Cosell last week while you and I were out
13:02Called Debo Samuel a schemed player which if you had said it about Brock Purdy
13:06You better duck and there's gonna be a fight in the streets because that's what everyone was arguing about all year last year
13:11He said it about Debo Samuel. We followed up with him about it yesterday and and and what the way he described it
13:18And I think that this is fair
13:20He goes teams go into the NFL draft in a very different way than fans probably think they do
13:26They don't go in there going. Okay, we have the 28th pick
13:29Who's the 28th best player or when we get there? Who's the best player? What they look at is who fits us the best?
13:37Who can really succeed with us?
13:39They don't care about these rankings that we do Debo's the 43rd best wide receiver in football. They don't care
13:46Wow, where does he rank as far as who would do what on the 49ers in Kyle Shanahan system?
13:51It's not working this year. We can go through all the reasons
13:55With the ball in his hand that's made me change like, oh
13:59There but how do you get that? They're trying out a kickoff. They're trying to spark a team
14:03That's in a bad way right now by doing stuff like that. I don't think they normally want Debo returning all the kicks
14:08That's that's not necessarily the way they want to do it
14:11But I like I buy what Greg is saying
14:14This is a schemed player and the scheme is not working this year for reasons that are attached to offensive line
14:21To poor individual play to
14:24Party a bit if you think he's regressing to the defense not it's all they like they're a team
14:29They're a team and and very little is working right now. And so I when I look at Debo
14:34I I still see the same speed when he finds the opening the openings haven't been there
14:40But look at him in Seattle down the left sideline. He looks slow to you
14:43Well last week he didn't up through though. We could have read through the holes
14:48Right, but I mean I'm taught you know in Seattle down the left sideline they hit him with a pass
14:53He didn't get caught from behind. I I don't think that they want to move on from Debo
14:57I don't think that's the Niners plan. So I don't think that they they dislike the the restructure. What about
15:05If well, I think that's now been affected by Iukes injury
15:10Maybe I mean maybe Iukes in a spot where he's a maybe in terms of health for week one
15:16They also have a first-round draft pick at that position that in theory should be a different player
15:21But Debo's nothing down the field though
15:24Like it's a very layering
15:26But he never was but it never fell or looked like it does now when they need him Debo ever gone deep
15:31Yeah, what 13 1400 yards a couple get without without ever running a go-route
15:36Never that's not late. And that's my point. That's not what what the Niners want him to do. I
15:43Believe he can still do it's not there right now
15:47So and that's the other way have they taken it away from Kyle's offense? I don't think so. I don't I don't absolutely
15:55The defense woke up this year
15:57They will leave just right here
15:59Kyle Shannon, they're not allowed to wake up this year and figure it out
16:02but he's been calling plays in this league for 15 years, so
16:06hasn't lost a step and
16:09Debo is getting largely the same kinds of plays that he got in the past
16:13Why isn't he able to do what he did before I'd first of all faulty premise to me
16:17I don't think that he's getting the same kind of plays
16:19I think that they're trying new things at the beginning of this year with Brock
16:22That's why you're seeing more quarterback runs and more downfield throws early
16:25What if I bring Super Bowl up to you not saying he played bad
16:28He was and then the whole playoffs their offense was common started last year for Debo
16:33Because teams were ready for it when he gets it down five guys waiting
16:38Two different burgers two different questions for me if you want to say is Debo done is he declining versus is he playing?
16:45Well, that's two different questions to me. I don't think Debo's done. I also don't think he's playing well this year
16:51I think a lot of people around him aren't playing well and again. We can go through the list of reasons
16:56I always have a hard time when things aren't going well
17:00And we have to find one person and be like it's this person's fault
17:04Everything stinks right now from there from their emotions to their physicality to their morale to their play calling
17:12To their execution to their handling of the ball to the fact that rookies are everywhere
17:17Injuries, it's all bad, and they're all showing it
17:20That's I mean, I I don't think it means now that this one player because he used to be good is
17:26Declining I just I don't see it. I think he's still there. You know why did Andrew Wiggins suck for two years?
17:32And now he looks good again
17:35He's still there it's in there
17:37To be the thing and the Niners as a collection believe me. I've talked to people down there who say so by the staff is struggling
17:44Yeah
17:45The one thing I did hear you guys do today that I disagree with this thing about it being a hell year
17:51It's a great. It's a I just
17:54Said a lot of it was self-inflicted
17:56They're going through home people people who have nothing to do with what anything they give you about on Sunday
18:02They are dragging this is
18:05I just hate the odds just a season from hell. I know what I feel like it takes accountability off everybody
18:11I don't I don't and the premise is just we'll be okay next year, but no
18:17But I hear what you're saying there
18:19I don't think it does strip accountability to do I for the things that deserve accountability
18:24But the Niners also have a lot of answers on things that don't deserve accountability
18:30You don't think he's done Debo. I think that he's closer to being done than he is to being good again
18:35I don't think the defenses have
18:38Schemed and you could say it they woke up this year whatever you want to say mark
18:43But you watch the game and you see
18:45What the Niners used to do that would work and now it's not working and a lot of it is the Debo jet sweep and the
18:51Quick throws to Debo and they're on to it and I don't Shanahan is adjusted and that to me is the reality of this offense
18:58And it's hard because you don't have the same level of skill guys that you had in the past and now you don't McCaffrey
19:04So now you go into this Sunday, and you've got Garendo and Debo and Kittle
19:09Yeah, and Jawan and Ricky Pearsall
19:11That's probably not gonna be good enough to win five straight games and go on and be a playoff team
19:1779% if they do that. I I heard you earlier. Yeah, that's great
19:21In theory each week. You should be getting
19:24Interesting names back. Well Greenlaw for Miami long. No, I mean, excuse me
19:30Okay, Greenlaw. Can we put air quotes on Greenlaw? No, we don't know what he's gonna look like, right?
19:36Oh, I use the word interesting. I didn't say you wouldn't tell him to stay off the field. You know what you got
19:40He's in a contract year
19:42So you can't keep him off the field, but you're looking at Nick. You're looking at Dre Greenlaw being probably 50%
19:47In the first couple of games, I would imagine coming off an Achilles. Is that better than Campbell at 100?
19:53Oh, we'll find out. We're no way to know. I think Nick might be back Sunday
19:58That's a huge change for their defense
20:01I kind of look at Greenlaw the way now
20:03I look at McCaffrey is I thought when he'd come back we'd see something that looked different and I
20:09Don't know that we did and so that's kind of what I'm thinking like don't get too wound up about Greenlaw coming back
20:15because maybe he'll just
20:18Affect the team like McCaffrey did which won't be the bottom line of winning
20:22That's the hard part about
20:23McCaffrey is because he finally was showing you that he was actually kind of back to being McCaffrey and then he hurt his knee
20:29Yeah, I mean that not to me is the maddening part of all that. It's true
20:33I you know to me what I would love to see I don't know if it's possible
20:37but did they find someone on the left side of the line last week because of the injuries does Trent Williams come back at some
20:43point because
20:45Historically if your last name is Shanahan and your offensive line are performing you put a lot different running backs back there
20:50and they'll get you a hundred yards and
20:53III firmly, but I mean corendo can do that, but there's something about the weapon of McCaffrey. Oh, of course
20:59I don't yeah. Yeah, of course. All right. Well, uh, it sounds like we got a minute
21:03Okay, we're gonna end on trivia five NFL coaches have been traded can you guys name them in the history of the league five
21:10Stiney got one of this for Gruden. Okay, there's four left
21:16Yeah, thank you Grady for laughs one
21:19I don't think you guys are gonna get I ask can I ask you how far back does this go?
21:23So the inception of the of the merger, I'm gonna say Don Shula. Nope
21:28Okay, Dibbs. I'm waiting on you. I do. Oh, man
21:32Um, there's one that we should remember I married he's dating a young lady Belichick. Yeah
21:41Thousand bill for sale. So we got one left at this to what I don't think it's five. Well, would you name?
21:47Yeah, Belichick Marcel. Yeah, Ruden. That's three. Yeah, it should be two. Oh, yeah. Okay. Go ahead. We got two
21:53Okay, we got two more
21:55Play to win the game
21:58From the jets to Kansas City
22:02That one I'll bet the next one is one we're gonna go that's right like we view Bank
22:08Just made the Hall of Fame. He just got inducted to the Hall of Fame and I put out a tweet about it
22:13Barry Switzer, no
22:16Mike yeah
22:201999 from the Packers to the Seahawks
22:25Very good question cuz it wasn't so archaic that we wouldn't
22:33Learn like if the Niners were able to get what the Raiders got for Gruden if they were able to get now firsts at
22:39Two seconds and eight million dollars would they do would you do that? I love
22:44Will's gonna say no
22:53Here cow come you say how it ticked off the locker room would be if you traded Kyle Shanahan and
22:59And I know it's a it's a stock quote, but who is your next coach?
23:03Who is your next coach?
23:04And oh, by the way, do the Bears want to do that cuz Kyle would be like hell no
23:10Right working for that front office. I'm not signing up long term with the Bears
23:16Bear legacy franchise non-starter. It's a non-starter for both sounds like our party. What's that? Okay?
23:23Non-start. All right, here we go
23:25Don't go anywhere cuz
23:27Listening dibs is back with Willard. It's been a day since they haven't been together
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