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00:00Previously, on The Apprentice.
00:11You are going to be selling live on television.
00:15First, they had to choose the products they thought would sell best.
00:20Christina's team went for safe bets.
00:24This is a pack of two high-waist slimming pants.
00:27They're full just under your bust line and just above your knee.
00:32Simon's team took risks on high-priced items.
00:36Deluxe folding wheelchair, £199.99.
00:41Low impact. The retail on that item is £69.99.
00:46I think that's really sellable.
00:48All right, I'm sold.
00:50On air, both project managers put themselves in the spotlight to impress Sir Alan.
00:55We have got, come on, Christina, Jesus Christ.
00:58Oh, don't swear.
00:59Sorry, everybody, I shouldn't have said that.
01:01Get her off.
01:02Six simple legs here, which you just simply just screw on, like so.
01:09And you can also have fun with it.
01:11Was that really bad?
01:13Yeah.
01:14What I saw was the biggest load of tuck I've ever seen in my life.
01:18I was embarrassed.
01:20In the boardroom, Christina scraped through.
01:23You won. I think it was a bad win.
01:26Simon's team had to defend their products.
01:29You chose the wheelchair.
01:31It was a risk. I'll admit it was a risk. I took a risk, but it was a calculated risk.
01:34Lucky risk, because actually you sold two.
01:36Yeah, well, it wasn't lucky. I chose it.
01:38Of the pathetic £700-odd that you took.
01:40With all due respect, I didn't choose it because I thought I wasn't going to sell none of it.
01:43I chose it because I thought I could sell it.
01:45But Naomi's choice of products hardly sold at all.
01:48Although he made a decade of himself, you chose, wrongly, the trampoline.
01:53Naomi, you chose bad products.
01:56You're fired.
01:58Thank you, sir.
02:01Naomi became the 11th casualty of the boardroom.
02:06Now five remain to fight for the chance to become The Apprentice.
02:19THE APPRENTICE
02:32One week to go before Sir Alan must choose his apprentice.
02:39This is Francis from Sir Alan's office.
02:41He wants you to meet him at Viglen Head Office.
02:43The car will be with you in half an hour.
02:45OK. Right, we're going to Viglen Head Office.
02:53This morning, they've been summoned to one of his companies,
02:56where they suspect they could be individually grilled
02:59on what they know about Sir Alan and his empire.
03:04Some candidates think they know him well.
03:07I would love a chance to work with Sir Alan.
03:09He's someone that I've been aware of throughout my whole life,
03:11from age five to six years old,
03:13when my dad bought me an Amstrad computer
03:15and I used to play with Jet Set Willy.
03:18Unfortunately, like Simon has,
03:20I haven't been reading the annual reports on Amstrad,
03:22so I don't know their figures as such.
03:24I just know what Amstrad does.
03:26As a general rule, I don't know about the rest of his company,
03:29but then if I get the job, I'll learn, I suppose.
03:33So whatever, whatever.
03:35But there's still a chance to crib some last-minute facts.
03:38Well, they make computers.
03:43Is that what you're going to give me?
03:45Well, they supply to schools.
03:49Wiggling, yeah?
03:51I don't really know that much about it.
03:54I'm interested to know what else they know.
03:57Honestly, I don't really know that much about them.
04:01You wanker.
04:04He's no better than a school kid in a classroom.
04:09Making papier, the exam sheet of his neighbour.
04:12You're a wanker because you wouldn't tell him,
04:14because that makes you feel...
04:16Better.
04:17You don't know something.
04:19And you do that, so...
04:21You know what?
04:23He's a poor boy.
04:24No, he's a wanker.
04:27If he's going to call me schoolboy names,
04:29I'm going to resort to schoolboy tactics.
04:31I'm not a wanker, you're a wanker.
04:38What was Trey asking you in the garden?
04:40He was asking me to tell him everything I knew about Amstrad
04:43and talk him through.
04:45I said, stick to what you know.
04:47And he said, but I don't know much.
04:49He doesn't know anything, does he?
04:51He's a bloody weasel.
04:52Trying to weasel information out of me in the flippin' cheap.
04:57Marketing consultant Trey Azam
04:59has been the most successful candidate.
05:02To date, he's won seven out of ten tasks.
05:05Business is everything I've ever done.
05:07Because I've been put in positions,
05:09from a young age,
05:10and I've been in business pretty much my whole life.
05:12I was handling board meetings when I was 18 years old.
05:19Simon Ambrose, a member of Mensa at the age of 13,
05:23graduated from Cambridge a year early.
05:26Now he's a budding internet entrepreneur
05:28with property interests.
05:30I'm unique because I'm a free thinker.
05:32If someone tells me to turn left,
05:33I'll instinctively immediately want to turn right.
05:35And I think Surrender is looking for someone
05:37who can buck the trend rather than follow it.
05:40Katie Hopkins, already earning £90,000 a year,
05:44is determined to shatter the glass ceiling
05:46and become a chief executive.
05:49I am not scared of walking into a boardroom
05:52full of 50-year-old men
05:54and telling them what I believe
05:56and changing their opinions.
05:58I have a ruthless streak to me and an edge
06:01which I'm not afraid to use.
06:04At just 25, the youngest surviving candidate
06:07is Lohit Kalbergi.
06:09I think the fear of failure definitely intimidates me.
06:12I think I like taking risks,
06:15but I'm always very careful about the types of risks that I take.
06:21When Christina Grimes became a teenage mother,
06:24everyone said she'd ruined her life.
06:27Now she's an award-winning sales manager.
06:29The best thing anybody can say to me is,
06:31I can't do that, and then I will.
06:33I'll prove them wrong.
06:35I've got a huge amount of self-belief.
06:37I'm not here to be second.
06:39I am here to win The Apprentice.
06:41I wouldn't be here otherwise.
07:02Good morning.
07:04Well, you've all done very well to get to this position now.
07:08Today, it's not going to be a task.
07:10It's going to be a gruelling interview process
07:13that's going to find out
07:15if you've really got what it takes to work for me.
07:18Now, those of you that have done a bit of research
07:21will realise that we're here at one of my companies.
07:24I'm going to tell you a story.
07:26I'm going to tell you a story.
07:29I've got three of my very trusted business associates
07:33who are going to interview you.
07:35At the end of the day,
07:37they're going to come and meet me in the boardroom
07:40and they're going to suggest to me
07:42which of you are suited to work in one of my companies.
07:45The difference is, today, three of you are going to get fired.
07:49Clear?
07:51Good. OK, off you go.
07:58Each candidate will be interrogated by Sir Alan's trusted advisers.
08:06Claude Littner worked for Sir Alan for over 15 years
08:09as his global troubleshooter.
08:11He's no stranger to hiring and firing.
08:18Borden Tatchook, chief executive of Bigland Computers.
08:22After 20 years' service, he knows better than anyone
08:25what Sir Alan is looking for.
08:29BELL RINGS
08:34Paul Kemsley runs a leading property company.
08:37A friend and business colleague of Sir Alan,
08:39he's always on the lookout for a good deal.
08:44All five candidates have had to supply their inquisitors
08:47with their CVs and application forms,
08:50explaining why they should be Sir Alan Sugar's next apprentice.
08:54Good luck. Good luck, Dom.
08:59KNOCK ON DOOR
09:08Hi. I'm Paul Kemsley. Hi, Paul. I'm Trey. Nice to meet you.
09:11Nice meeting you. Hi.
09:15So the man who'll do anything to succeed is sitting in front of me.
09:19Your own words, huh?
09:21Katie, I don't really understand why you're here.
09:29I mean, this is interesting.
09:31Do you really want me to believe that Sir Alan was a childhood hero of yours?
09:36You know what I'm saying? That's absolutely absurd.
09:38I'm not comfortable with the answer you've just given me, by the way.
09:45In preparing yourself to get involved with Apprentice,
09:48did you do some research?
09:50I did two research. I did kind of my basic research
09:53just before we kind of came into the house as such.
09:56Over time, unfortunately, it's deteriorated in my head.
09:58Let me just put this right then.
10:00So you're applying for a role to work for Sir Alan. Yes.
10:03You don't really know that much about his companies. No.
10:05Looking at your background, you're a web guy. Yes.
10:08So you didn't Google Alan?
10:10No, I didn't. Do you think you should have done?
10:12I probably should have, yeah.
10:14That's not a good start, is it, Trey? No, it's not.
10:18Do you think you're tough enough? I think I'm...
10:20Or do you think you're better just in a good sales job,
10:23being given a particular task to do?
10:25There's some surgical instruments. Go and flog them to the NHS.
10:28The biggest stress that you can ever give me is boredom.
10:31And that's what stresses me.
10:33Does change frighten you?
10:35Look at my CV. Does change frighten me? I mean...
10:37I'm looking at it. You haven't had any change in the last five, six years.
10:40Right, OK. I mean, every point in my life, I've changed, I've moved.
10:43I mean, I've been all over the UK
10:45in terms of going on my career and stuff like that.
10:48Change does not scare me whatsoever. In fact, I love change.
10:51Ruthlessness.
10:53Where would you sit on a scale of nought to ten?
10:56Well, when required, I'd say I'd go for a ten.
10:59So you can be pretty ruthless? I can be very ruthless, I think.
11:02On a personal level, I think your comment here,
11:04I was quite surprised to read it here.
11:06You said, have you ever lied or cheated to get what you want?
11:09You said, yes, to get someone else's husband because I wanted him.
11:12That's pretty ruthless. That is quite ruthless.
11:14On a scale of one to ten, I'd go about an eight on that one.
11:17Oh, right, so you could be more ruthless than that. I am ruthless.
11:20I'm not getting away from that.
11:24It's not too bad.
11:28Hi, I'm Lohat. What was your name? My name's Claude. Claude, nice to meet you.
11:33Do you know the word humility? Have you heard that word before? I do.
11:37Would it apply to you? I think so.
11:39You talk about things such as,
11:42you've achieved more than people twice your age.
11:45I'm twice your age. I'd like to think I've achieved more than you.
11:50Simon Ambrose. That's me.
11:52Property man. Yep. How did that come about?
11:55I had some... Try and look at me, Simon. Sorry, sorry.
11:58I had some savings and I took on a big house with a mortgage
12:02and I rent rooms out in it and I live in it as well.
12:05You should be embarrassed about what your tenants say about you.
12:08What do they say? Worst landlord ever.
12:10House falling to pieces.
12:12What's the worst thing that's ever happened to you?
12:15What do they say about you? What do they say?
12:17Worst landlord ever. House falling to pieces.
12:19Shower and toilet were blocked for ages. Doesn't maintain anything.
12:22He uses dodgy builders when the washing machine broke
12:26and I needed a clean uniform. Yeah.
12:28For work, he just suggested I brought my washing round to his home. Yeah.
12:32Had no TV for one year as he didn't fix the aerial. Yeah.
12:35And used coat hangers. Yeah.
12:37He just has not got a clue about being a landlord.
12:40How'd it go? How'd it go?
12:42He beat the shit out of me.
12:44I heard he was a bulldog.
12:46He beat the shit out of me.
12:48They got hold of one of my tenants who doesn't like me very much
12:51and she's just literally the most disparaging thing about me
12:54and they just reeled it all off.
12:58It's like a debate. He's like, it's about this.
13:00You're like, no, actually, it's not about that. It's about this.
13:02You're going to take his pieces.
13:04Don't be shy. Don't be shy in the way now.
13:07I don't think I know how to be shy.
13:10The thing that's confused me about your CV, Trey,
13:13is you say that you have successful businesses in the US and Asia.
13:17Had. You had?
13:19Had. What's happened?
13:21They were family businesses.
13:23When the business went down and we had to sell everything off,
13:25I ended up with absolutely nothing.
13:27But rather than just going to any old job, I decided to start again,
13:30which is obviously a lot more difficult than just...
13:32Trey, why would you talk about business? Yes.
13:34And your success is when the only experience you've had
13:37running your own business is one that's ended in disaster.
13:40Well, if you let me finish, you let me finish.
13:42Obviously, we were very successful, but then as time moved on,
13:45sometimes business, as you know, has its ups and its downs.
13:48What do you actually do? I do different things.
13:50I'm a design consultant for one of my agencies,
13:52a marketing consultant for another company,
13:54a brand consultant for another company,
13:56and for another company, I'm just a consultant
13:58for marketing, branding and design.
14:00So you operate out of an office or you've got staff?
14:02I have a home office. I have a staff abroad.
14:04I have an office abroad where my developers sit.
14:06That's right. You've got an office abroad.
14:08In other words, you've got an address abroad.
14:10You've got a fully functional office abroad.
14:12I've got 15 offices abroad. You've got 15 offices abroad?
14:15Abroad, yes, and we have one operation office as well.
14:18Who's we? Well, the family.
14:20My dad owns the properties. Oh, sorry, so you're going back...
14:22No, hold on. Let me finish. If you're going to let me finish,
14:24I think you'll understand. Where I have one of the offices
14:26where I keep my developers, my programmers and my developers...
14:29You work for your dad's, right, basically?
14:31No, I think you've got it wrong again.
14:33Listen, I haven't come here for an argument, yeah?
14:35I've come here to ask the questions and you'll answer them, right?
14:43Tell me a little bit about yourself.
14:45I've spent the last 18 years getting myself through university
14:48and trying to kind of push myself as far as I possibly could
14:51in my career, bearing in mind that I had my son to look after.
14:54He's now gone off to university and he's 18 years of age.
14:57And I'm sort of... It's almost like it's the first time
15:00that I really can push myself to whatever level I want.
15:03You've talked about the fact that you haven't wanted to take risks
15:06up until now because of your commitment as a parent,
15:09but is that not just an excuse, really?
15:11If you say, you know, you haven't taken risks,
15:13earning no money and putting yourself through university
15:16is taking a risk. I joined this company
15:18and the product hadn't been launched in the UK
15:20and it could have fallen flat on its face.
15:22A lot of times there was a risk that it was going to fall flat on its face.
15:25So I have taken risks, but I've taken them as far as I possibly could.
15:28I don't think that anybody would question your sales experience,
15:31but what you don't appear to have is that entrepreneurial skill.
15:36One, because you don't care about it.
15:38If you cared about it, you'd have done something well before now.
15:50On your own trade, you have several offices around the world.
15:55Once again, I have one office which I use out of our offices,
15:58which is for my back-end development programming,
16:00and over here I have a home office to keep my overheads low.
16:02I don't need a property because I'm a consultant.
16:04I work from different companies' offices as and when required.
16:07Can you not understand why I'm struggling with this?
16:10No, I can't. You can't understand why I'm struggling?
16:12You're sitting here in an interview to get a job
16:16working for Sir Alan Sugar within the Amstrad Corporation.
16:19Right. But in your pastime,
16:22you're running an international conglomerate.
16:31Do you really want this job, Trey? Yes, I do.
16:33You really, really want this job. What are you going to do?
16:35Close down your international organisation?
16:37Well, I can put it on hold. I'm young enough to take it over again.
16:40Or just shut the bedroom door?
16:42It's not a bedroom, it's a home office as such,
16:44but I set the business up from nothing and I took it to where it is now,
16:47and maybe I will be an international global businessman worldwide expert.
16:51I hope so.
17:01You worry me.
17:03I do. You do worry me.
17:05You went to a fantastic school. Yeah.
17:07You obviously went to a great university. Yeah.
17:09And you then had a job in the city. Yeah.
17:12And you seem to have never recovered since then, somehow.
17:15Well, that's one way of looking upon it.
17:18I wouldn't say I never recovered. I'd say I had a very good run.
17:21I had a very good remuneration while I was working in the city,
17:24and I think that's a good thing.
17:26I'd say I had a very good run.
17:28I had a very good remuneration while I was working in the city.
17:31So why did you leave the city?
17:33I didn't leave. They made me redundant, unfortunately.
17:35And they made you redundant.
17:37Do you think companies let good people go?
17:39No, I don't think they do.
17:41Do you think you perhaps weren't that good?
17:43I think I perhaps have to hold my hand up and say I must have done something wrong.
17:46One thing I do know is that you generally don't let people go delivering something for you.
17:49No, you don't. And I did deliver, but there were other people delivering more than me.
17:56And currently you're trading on the internet.
17:59Yes, I've got an internet retail shop.
18:01What sort of products are you selling?
18:03Sound and light equipment into schools, for example, speakers, karaoke players,
18:07smoke machines, snow machines, bubble machines.
18:09You've gone from being an employee at Credit Suisse to being an employer,
18:13where you call yourself an entrepreneur.
18:15Now it would appear, within a very short time,
18:17barely before you've had an opportunity of seeing whether it's going to be successful or not,
18:20you're now saying, oh, hang on a minute, I'd better go back into employment.
18:24Well, I've done it for over two years now. I wouldn't say suddenly.
18:26I don't know where you're going. I don't know where you're going.
18:28So are you an employee, or do you want to be an entrepreneur
18:31and have the rewards and risks that are associated with that?
18:34From my perspective, if I want to get big, if I want to be successful,
18:37if I want to do really well and make a lot of money,
18:39do I want to keep dealing with the bits and bobs, selling scraps to individual customers?
18:43No, I want to look at the bigger picture,
18:45and I want to try and jump a couple of steps and give myself a leg up
18:48and do something, perhaps with Sir Alan, hopefully, fingers crossed,
18:51selling hundreds of thousands of things to different, larger customers.
19:05Nice to meet you. And you too.
19:10You're a mum to young kids. I am a mum.
19:12But interestingly enough, you mention in your CV more than once
19:16that you don't like to think of yourself as a mum.
19:18I do like being a mum, but it's the image of the mum,
19:20that sort of softly, softly, the sort of floral image,
19:23the stay at home, do lots of cooking, puree everything that you can.
19:27That's not what I am.
19:28And I don't like mothers who criticise mothers that go to work.
19:31And where have you got to now, Katie?
19:32I earn 90k a year. I work for a global business consultancy.
19:35I've got a gold card for BA.
19:37I didn't get to where I've got to now, sitting at home playing mummy.
19:40You're single, aren't you?
19:42I'm single.
19:45Right, so your priority would be to get this job.
19:48My priority in life is my children.
19:51I'm not being difficult here, Katie.
19:53So if Alan says to me, is Katie a good long-term prospect,
19:58I would say her priority are her children.
20:02Is that a wrong answer?
20:04That's a wrong answer then, and I prefer you didn't say that.
20:07So what would you like me to say?
20:09In my life, I put my children first.
20:12If they're sick, whatever, they need me, I'm there.
20:14That's absolutely bottom line. There's no question on that.
20:17The reason I'm a good long-term prospect is at my age,
20:21I've done my children thing.
20:22My children thing is done. It's passed.
20:24I don't need maternity leave. I don't need any of that bull.
20:27They're done.
20:28But now my focus is on my career and making a brilliant life for them.
20:32And that's what I'm about.
20:34Anything personal?
20:36Only about my children.
20:38Which you would expect.
20:40They're annoying.
20:44Probably stuff around my babies, really.
20:46I'm single, I suppose.
20:48I think that's probably why.
20:49I mean, you are the main carer, aren't you?
20:51But I always think that women that have had babies
20:53are a better investment than women who are just about to go off and have them.
20:57It's ironic, the two people left here are two mothers.
21:01Yeah.
21:02Neither Christina nor I see ourselves as mothers, I doubt.
21:05Jesus, no.
21:08What makes you angry?
21:10I think people that don't deliver.
21:12And when people on my team don't do that, I think I get very, very impatient.
21:15Have you lost your temper in this series yet?
21:18No, I have not.
21:19You're pretty middle of the road, aren't you?
21:21I don't think I'm middle of the road.
21:22Boring a little bit?
21:23Oh, I don't think so, Paul.
21:24But I'm talking to you and I'm thinking, you know what,
21:27you're a nice chap, very steady Eddie, but you don't excite me.
21:31You're a bit boring.
21:32When you're a leader, people have to see stability
21:34and they need to know that they can rely and depend on you.
21:36Are you a leader?
21:37Absolutely, I'm a leader.
21:38I know that I'm very good and I'm very, very confident in myself.
21:41Charisma, that's what I think is important in a CEO,
21:44someone with charisma.
21:45Okay.
21:46You've got charisma.
21:47I think so, I'm not here to be nice.
21:49I think you would struggle not to be nice.
21:51Paul, being a nice person is a good thing, that's not a bad thing.
21:54It's a great thing, providing you don't want to be a CEO.
21:56Okay, well then.
21:57You know, when you run a company, you're out there in the big, bad world of business
22:01where people lie, steal, cheat.
22:03Sure.
22:04Cut your fucking legs off to make a few quid, yeah.
22:20What have you got that the other candidates haven't got?
22:22I think I've got the edge in them.
22:23I think that I've got a great business head.
22:25I think I've got sales, which I think is great.
22:28I'm relentless.
22:29There's no way that anybody can ever say to me,
22:31you can't do something, because if they do, I'll turn around and prove to them that I can.
22:34This is my clean slate now.
22:36I've got nobody to worry about but myself.
22:38How much of The Apprentice is about winning because of your competitive nature?
22:43I think there is a competitive element to it,
22:46and I'd be lying if I said to you that doesn't matter to me.
22:48It does matter.
22:49And I do like the idea that I can compete against others to win, definitely.
22:53What did you know about Sir Alan?
22:55Was it anything at all?
22:57No, I didn't know an awful lot about Sir Alan at all.
23:00To be really blunt.
23:02In terms of Alan's personal wealth?
23:04I have no idea what it is.
23:08I know Amstrad's sales were £100 million in the last financial year,
23:11and I know their net profit was £20 million,
23:15and I know that their write-downs were £5.7 million.
23:18He did the PCWs, and he moved into making PCs,
23:20which were like a third of what they were on sale by IBM for.
23:23I'm going to suggest you haven't really done a lot of research on Sir Alan, have you?
23:27I think that's fair.
23:29And then he got into telephones.
23:31He bought Betacom and started making telephones,
23:33and then he obviously moved into the Sky Decoders.
23:35He got a contract with Sky to make their PVRs, their books, and their video recorders.
23:39And he submitted them to Sky, and then Sky Pass and S&E,
23:42and there's Nathan in Hong Kong.
23:43Right, you know.
23:44I've done my research properly on this job, on this company,
23:47and I've done my best to make sure I know everything inside out.
23:50You wouldn't know the motivations or things that motivate him in terms of business?
23:54No, I don't.
23:56But why don't you know it?
23:57I don't know that information.
23:58Why haven't you taken sufficient interest?
24:00It concerns me that you would just wonder what your goal really is when you don't do research.
24:28After three hours of intensive questioning, the consultants report back to Sir Alan.
24:38Hi, Paul.
24:39Hi.
24:40Claude.
24:41Hi.
24:42Gordon.
24:43Hi.
24:44As their fate hangs in the balance, the candidates can do nothing but wait.
24:51All they know is that three of them will get fired.
25:03Let's talk about Trey, first of all.
25:06Paul?
25:07Well, you may not be aware of this, Alan, but Trey runs a global corporation from his bedroom.
25:14It does what?
25:15Apparently, he's got 15 offices around the world, some of which may also be bedrooms.
25:21He's a fantasist.
25:24I read his CV and it talked about done business in America, done business in Asia.
25:29I think that he's had a pretty patchy experience in that he left school, went to his family business,
25:35which subsequently failed.
25:37Family business that failed?
25:39Yeah.
25:40You do not know about that.
25:41What he did to me is he presented it as his own business.
25:43And when I said, are you talking about your father's business?
25:45No.
25:46Yes.
25:47No.
25:48And that's why we couldn't progress the interview, because I wasn't prepared to let this point go.
25:51What qualities do you think you have to take you forward?
25:54The fact that I've got a lot of business commercial experience working worldwide,
25:58even though I don't have a massively successful business.
26:00No, we're not back to this worldwide business, okay?
26:02Well, no, I have.
26:03I've worked in loads of different countries.
26:04Trey, Trey, you're not an international businessman.
26:06Well, I've run business in the States.
26:08You're not an international businessman.
26:09I've worked in Europe and I've worked in Asia and I've worked over here.
26:10No, you may have had jobs.
26:11You may have had jobs abroad.
26:12You may have had jobs.
26:13Contracts as an individual business.
26:14You are not an international businessman.
26:15And I don't know any international businessman who only earned 50 grand a year.
26:20I mean, that can't even cover...
26:21In his first year of business.
26:22That will not even cover your travel expenses, yeah?
26:25Right.
26:26You couldn't even get to your bloody offices abroad with 50 grand a year.
26:30I found with him that when you get him in a corner, he struggles and he gets quite aggressive.
26:37The thing that I was struck most about him, you know, he's a computer literate guy,
26:40all his work is in computers.
26:42You know, he did zero research.
26:44He knew the basics but had no depth at all.
26:47We've seen this fellow for the last, you know, 11 weeks.
26:51Out of 10 tasks, he won 7.
26:54But he don't like losing.
26:56No one likes losing.
26:57He doesn't like being questioned either.
26:58Or criticized.
26:59Yeah, but he don't like losing.
27:00He's a very aggressive guy.
27:01But all along, we thought, you know, they think this guy's got legs.
27:06And the feedback I was getting from Nick and Margaret,
27:08that this guy was actually, you know, instrumental in the win.
27:12I wasn't overly impressed, Alan, to be honest with you.
27:14And obviously you don't have the benefit of the fact of how well he's done here.
27:18No, of course. It's just on 25 minutes.
27:20He has shown some flashes of talent, actually.
27:23Yeah.
27:24It's quite possible.
27:25And to give him some credit, I mean, he's obviously, you know,
27:27been able to keep himself gainfully employed by picking up contracts continuously.
27:32I think the big issue with him is he's a loner.
27:37Paul, I've got your opinion of him.
27:39He won't be on your Christmas card list then.
27:41The one thing about Trey is he's prepared to fight for what he thinks is the case.
27:46Even if it's not the case.
27:48Which shows a little bit of bite.
27:50A little bit of, yeah, a little bit of something there.
27:54All right, let's move on to Christina.
27:57I quite like Christina.
27:58I thought that she was a strong, capable woman.
28:00She's obviously had some issues in terms of bringing up a young child, which she's overcome.
28:05So I think that she's got some strong positives.
28:08She's stuck with the job for a number of years.
28:10She's been in the pharmaceutical industry for ten years, six years in her present job.
28:14And that does show that she's not somebody who's a flash in the pan.
28:17On the negative side, I would say that she hasn't really progressed too much either.
28:21Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you looked at Baldwin's CV and my CV,
28:26if there were such a thing, you would say we're in the electronics industry all our lives.
28:30So I don't see anything wrong with that, actually.
28:33I'm sticking to what you know.
28:34I liked her, Alan. I thought she was competent.
28:36I thought that she would be hardworking.
28:38She struck me as being somebody who would be quite good fun around the office as well.
28:42Not too full of herself.
28:43I thought she was a credible candidate.
28:46Paul, what were your findings of her?
28:48I thought she was very pleasant.
28:50We had a good interview.
28:51She was bright.
28:52She was cheery, smiley.
28:55I get the feeling that if she got the job, she'd probably stick to it.
28:58I mean, she had a nice interview.
29:00I could find nothing wrong with her.
29:02I have the same experience.
29:03Would I employ her? Yes, I'd employ her as a manager.
29:08Baldwin?
29:09Good person. High integrity.
29:11Does what it says on the label.
29:13I mean, she just delivers what she's doing.
29:15I think if we're looking for someone solid,
29:17and I think there's an opportunity for her to do something better, to be honest.
29:21To be the apprentice, to me, epitomises being given an opportunity within an industry
29:26to prove to myself and prove to the others how good I really am.
29:31I've got a huge amount of self-belief.
29:33I haven't necessarily been given the opportunities that I would have liked to have been able to have taken in the past.
29:40And this, to me, has given me this opportunity to say this is how good I am.
29:43And I do think I am good.
29:45I think she's at a point where she's looking for the challenge.
29:48She fits all the attributes.
29:50You know, this would be a big career move for her.
29:53She's willing to make the move.
29:55She could be a good asset.
29:57OK, Lowit, chaps.
30:01Claude on Lowit.
30:02Well, I think that Lowit, I found that he gave me the greatest problem, to be honest with you.
30:07I think he's the least credible of the candidates.
30:09I didn't think that he was really plausible.
30:12I didn't see how he'd be able to fulfil a function in any of your companies.
30:17He says that he's got strong leadership skills and he's a natural leader and he's ruthless.
30:21Not at all.
30:22I didn't think that he displayed any of those talents.
30:24No, neither was I. Any of those, sorry.
30:26That's it.
30:27Well, you know, I was deeply unimpressed with him, to be honest with you.
30:30I mean, the trouble I have with Lowit is if you ask him to point to his left ear, he'd go like this.
30:37You know, do everything more complicated than it needs to be.
30:42And just as if he turns on a switch and he's spewing out a load of talk,
30:47I don't think he knows what he's actually saying half the time.
30:51I think it's also really important to be able to have quite a strategic view,
30:55so to be able to look down on what's happening,
30:57but also have the ability to drill down and actually get something done in a particular area if you see a mistake,
31:03but then come up to 60,000 feet.
31:06He describes himself here as calm, rational and collected demeanour.
31:10He's just a nice guy. Boring.
31:13He's just a nice bloke. Run any of your businesses, forget it.
31:17OK, Borden on Simon.
31:20Interesting guy.
31:22And here's a guy that's sort of got all the background, got all the training,
31:27merchant bank, intelligent, articulate, knows his stuff, has researched his position well,
31:35knows everything there is about the company more than others.
31:37I'm waiting for the but. I'm waiting for the but now.
31:40I'll give you the but. I think this guy's easy to read.
31:43He obviously comes from a fairly privileged background. He went to Cambridge University.
31:47He is a gross underachiever, in my opinion.
31:50He's 26 years old. He's got an honours degree or a 2 and 1, whatever it is, from Cambridge.
31:57How many years later, what's he done?
31:59He's got a townhouse that he's rented out to a few people.
32:02He's not even looking after that property particularly well,
32:05sticking coat hangers in his TV aerials and letting people sleep on the sofa.
32:09Obviously not a technician.
32:11No, he's clearly not a technician, and he hasn't done anything.
32:14From my point of view, I felt that I couldn't quite get to grips
32:19on what happened to this career that was sort of cut short.
32:23You know, the negative on him was perhaps he just seemed to have been hit hard
32:29and couldn't recover from it.
32:31I take a different view of the guy, OK?
32:33He went to a very good school. He went to a great university.
32:35I think he did lose his way.
32:37I think that he's spent the last few years drifting, but I wouldn't write him off.
32:41If I was to get the job with Surrelly, which I'd love to do,
32:44potentially I'd like to write a business plan down with him or whatever he wants me to do.
32:47If he wants to give me a task, give me a project, I will do it.
32:50And if he wants to half my salary now and pay me half at the end of the year...
32:53It's being recorded, you know.
32:54Yeah, fine, I don't mind. I'm happy to go on record and say that.
32:56If he wants to set me a target, I will beat it, and I will beat it in a year's time.
33:00I think he's only 25, 26. He's young, he's made a few little mistakes along the way.
33:04I wouldn't rule him out because I think, given the chance, he could succeed.
33:08And Katie? What about Katie? I mean, I know she's bright.
33:12You're right, Alan, she's very bright, very capable.
33:15You could certainly give her a job to do, a business to run, and I think she'd do it.
33:21Yeah. Could she upset the people she works with? Almost certainly.
33:26Do you get intimidated? I'm not intimidated. Ever?
33:29I'm never intimidated. Really? Well, I don't believe I am.
33:32Do you think that you intimidate people?
33:34I think I have the potential to intimidate people and do intimidate people when I need to.
33:39I'm a confident lady. Very confident. I am a confident lady.
33:42Do you think that's your best trait? I think strength is a good trait.
33:47She's a powerful, aggressive lady.
33:50Would you employ her, Paul?
33:52I probably would give her a project to do.
33:54I don't think I could work with her day in, day out because I think she'd do my head in.
33:59But I think she's very capable of taking a project and running it.
34:04My view is slightly different, I think.
34:06I think that, whereas Katie is almost the opposite of Simon,
34:10Simon is more introverted, quiet, but she is a showman.
34:14So she's out front, she's showing off, she's flashing her eyelashes.
34:18She's a great talker, she puts on a great performance.
34:21I wouldn't let her run a company because I don't think she's got a clue.
34:24She seems to get by by putting on feminine charm and thinking that's a good enough answer.
34:29I think she's better than just putting on feminine charm.
34:34I have concern with hers. The girl is totally ruthless in every regard.
34:40To the point, on a personal level, and I quote here,
34:44have you ever lied and cheated? She said yes, to get someone else's husband because I wanted him.
34:49I'm afraid that's her.
34:51I don't know if I saw the real Katie during the interview.
34:55I don't know if I could even begin to understand.
34:58I got the impression there was a charade going on
35:00and I was seeing someone who was quite happy to use whatever asset she had
35:06to get to wherever she needed to be.
35:08She's a go-getter.
35:09She may not tick the boxes for you, Claude, because you like the academic source.
35:14You want someone who reads a balance sheet.
35:16If you sat today with a chartered accountant, you'd come in and say it was wonderful, but I wouldn't.
35:21There is something that's more fundamental to this.
35:23You've got to ask, what's her motivation to be on The Apprentice?
35:28She's £90,000 already she's earning, so she's not here for the money.
35:33When I asked her about you, to be fair, she really didn't have much of a clue.
35:39Just close your eyes for a minute and see her in the organisation.
35:45What do you see?
35:47She's got something.
35:49She's going to burn out.
35:50You haven't been evasive in answering me the question.
35:52I said, close your eyes.
35:54Do you see that we might have someone here at last that is dead bright, dead strong,
35:59that can actually take something or not?
36:02You think she's going to be aggro.
36:05It's only about winning for Katie.
36:07If you happen to coincide with winning for Katie, then it works.
36:11Listen, I'm not even going to use the terminology of the pot calling the kettle black.
36:18We all enjoyed our share options, didn't we?
36:21We all made loads and loads of money back in the mid-eighties.
36:24I haven't got a problem about that.
36:26People are greedily interested in themselves.
36:29I wasn't really referring to that.
36:31The danger you've got with Katie, I think she could do it.
36:33She's smart.
36:34The danger you've got with Katie, is this just a leapfrog for something else?
36:40Alan, I've got to make one point to you.
36:42If you genuinely want somebody to come in or run a big part of your business,
36:47that person is going to be aggravation.
36:50That person is going to be ferocious.
36:53That person is going to be greedy.
36:55He or she is going to be aggressive.
36:58Accept it.
36:59I accept it.
37:01Otherwise, go and give it to a simple accountant.
37:03She might be one of those people.
37:05I want to win.
37:07I accept that.
37:08I just want to win this.
37:09I've won The Apprentice, done that, move on.
37:11She may well do that, Alan.
37:12She may well do that.
37:13She may well win this and then bugger off.
37:15I agree with Borden in that.
37:17It's an ego trip.
37:18Okay, folks.
37:19Well, it's been, as ever, very interesting to hear your very colourful explanations
37:24of the people that you met for the first time, really.
37:29Thanks a lot.
37:30Thank you, Alan.
37:31Thank you, Alan.
37:37Good luck.
37:38Thank you very much.
37:42Well, you've been following him around for the last 11.
37:44What's your call on him?
37:46She's very efficient.
37:47She's very competent.
37:48She has been able to handle all the tasks.
37:51He's articulate.
37:52He's a bit of fun.
37:53He's a force.
37:54He's quite strong.
37:55He's argumentative.
37:58He's quite irrepressible because if you knock down 20 ideas,
38:01he'll still be coming up with the 21st.
38:03I don't know if he's got a killer instinct.
38:05He's not a leader and he's not assertive.
38:07She wants to win, undoubtedly.
38:09But winning for what reason?
38:11Well, for winning, I think.
38:13Winning for winning.
38:17Having listened to the chaps,
38:19there's clearly three that stick out in my mind, you know,
38:23that are all very, very, very employable.
38:26That's the dilemma I'm in.
38:31Alan will see you now.
38:57Good evening.
38:59Long day.
39:01Maybe no consolation to three of you
39:04at the end of this boardroom session,
39:06but it is a great achievement
39:08considering the process that you've been through,
39:10considering the tens of thousands of people that applied.
39:16Christina, you brought up your child,
39:20who's now 18 years old and gone off to university.
39:23And from what I can understand,
39:25so that's it now.
39:26Now it's Christina time, yeah?
39:28Yeah, correct.
39:29Done a good job as far as that's concerned.
39:31Now it's Christina time, yeah?
39:32Yeah.
39:33I want to go upwards and forwards, so to speak, yeah?
39:35Correct.
39:36You've been in pharmaceuticals for about ten years,
39:39from what I can understand.
39:40Yes.
39:41I think that if I ever started to make syringes,
39:46I could sit down and say,
39:48Christina, we are making syringes today.
39:51Go and sell them and I reckon you'd do a bloody good job.
39:54My job is to go and look at opportunities within my marketplace.
39:58My job is to get the biggest contracts that I can with the NHS.
40:01My job is not to go out there and sell syringes.
40:04And to be honest with you, Sir Alan,
40:05if you said to me, go and sell syringes,
40:07I couldn't do it because I wouldn't be interested
40:09and I just wouldn't have the drive for it at all.
40:13You live in Harrogate?
40:15Correct, yes.
40:16OK.
40:17I ain't got an office in Harrogate.
40:20You got a life in Harrogate, haven't you?
40:22I've lived in Harrogate for four or five years,
40:24but I'm willing, you know, I mean,
40:26I've said that when it was Christina time that I would go anywhere.
40:29I'd even move abroad if I had to, to get what I want.
40:34Sure?
40:35Absolutely positive.
40:37Katie.
40:39Sir Alan.
40:43Exeter, Devon, two little kids.
40:46How's life going to be if I say to you,
40:49Katie, right, come on, you're down in London,
40:52you've got to move your family, move your location,
40:55because I'll say to you the same as I said to Christina,
40:58I ain't opening an office in Exeter.
41:00Right now, I'm not back in Exeter.
41:02Right now, I'm on the road.
41:03Right now, I'm away from home.
41:05You have a base, don't you?
41:06You have a base, your home.
41:07If someone says to you, what's your home?
41:09God forbid a policeman pokes you up in the street
41:11and nicks you for driving.
41:13Where do you live?
41:14Exeter.
41:15Where are you going to live when you work for me?
41:17Well, that home has to move.
41:19Is it going to be as simple as that?
41:22I think it can be as simple as that,
41:24and I have discussed it with the people that support me
41:27and help me work and help me get on the road,
41:29and they are happy that I move.
41:31Does that support network include relatives that might look after you?
41:34Yeah, so my mum and dad have them.
41:36Your mum and dad, are you going to move them from Exeter up to London?
41:39Well, they have talked about moving midway between me and my sister.
41:44Where does your sister live?
41:45You see, she's in Bournemouth,
41:46so this Bournemouth-London thing could work quite well.
41:51I know it's not commutable, Serena, but...
41:53I'm worried here. I'm worried, Katie.
41:58Simon, there are certain things that confuse me
42:01about this stock market business.
42:04What confuses me a little bit more is about what you went on and did
42:07and the kind of businesses that you're in now.
42:10And if you're in business on your own now,
42:12making the money that you claim you're making,
42:14what do you want to work for me for?
42:16Because when I got into my business on the internet retailing side of things
42:20two years ago, it was basically a cottage industry.
42:22There were mum and pop shops and high streets around the country.
42:25Now any old Tom, Dick and Harry can get on the internet
42:27and buy an internet shop for a couple of quid,
42:29and it's just become saturated.
42:30Now I'm on a treadmill running just to stand still,
42:32and it's all very well and good selling bits and pieces
42:35to one or two customers, but I don't want to be small fry any more.
42:38I want to be a big fry.
42:41And I'd rather come work for you so I can look at the bigger picture now.
42:44Where do you live now, then?
42:45I live in Clapham at the moment.
42:46It's a bloody horrible job.
42:47It is.
42:48Tell me about your personal life.
42:50Can you move?
42:51If I have to, yeah, I will.
42:53Well, it might not be to Brentwood.
42:55You might be in Radcliffe.
42:56Well, that's fine.
42:57You might be in St James'.
42:58All the posh boys.
42:59That would be fantastic.
43:00Actually, it suits you to be in that office there
43:02with all those posh toshers down the road.
43:04That would be absolutely wonderful.
43:05If that's what you'd be so kind as to offer me,
43:07that would be absolutely fine.
43:09Trey, as a man of the world like you,
43:12worked in America, set up businesses in Karachi,
43:16access to 15 businesses of your family, if I've understood it.
43:20Offices.
43:21Offices of your family.
43:23Yeah.
43:24Simple question.
43:25What do you want to work for me for?
43:27Because like I said to one of your colleagues,
43:29I haven't had the opportunity to work in a corporate environment
43:31and learn this side of business.
43:33And this is my opportunity while I'm still young in order to do it
43:36and to be successful in another area of business
43:38to allow me to expand my own business development
43:40and learn new areas of business.
43:42So what, you want to learn off of me, then bugger off afterwards maybe?
43:45Well, you never know what's going to happen further down the line,
43:48but I'm certainly going to give you my commitment in time.
43:53Lloyd, you've been...
43:56And I want to say this in the nicest possible way
43:58because I don't want to undermine the fact that you're in the last five.
44:04There were occasions that you were the kind of tailor's dummy
44:08that was part of the team that won.
44:11That with the greatest respect, it didn't shine through
44:15that the contribution from you was the reason they won.
44:18Sure. So I think I won't agree with you
44:22when you say that I've been a tailor's dummy.
44:24I think I've contributed on every single task.
44:26And I think perhaps one of my mistakes is that I haven't been able to communicate
44:29exactly the value that I've added.
44:35I'm not sure whether I made it clear to you,
44:37but I'll reiterate it again.
44:39This is it.
44:41This is where I'm going to pick the two finalists, yeah?
44:45So three people are going.
44:57Lloyd, I'm trying to search for what you're going to do for me.
45:02I tried to visualise, Lloyd, this man, where is he?
45:06Which company? What's he doing?
45:08Where is he slotting in?
45:10Where is he dovetailing into my organisation?
45:12And I can't see it.
45:14To me, the fact that I have a broad range of skills,
45:16that I've worked in sales, that I've worked in service,
45:18I've worked in different countries and companies,
45:20I think that's the magic that I can offer.
45:23What I'm saying to you, Sir Alan, is I can do whatever you want me to do.
45:27And I've proven that I can in my career and in the tasks as well to date.
45:31So that is what I'm offering you.
45:33What have you proven? I mean, this is the point.
45:35I find sometimes people, they say something long enough, they believe it.
45:39I'm not trying to convince myself, Sir Alan.
45:41I'm here to convince you.
45:43Lloyd, you are a very nice, fine fellow.
45:48I want to put you out of your misery.
45:50You're fired.
45:53Thanks.
46:01I want to put you out of your misery.
46:03You're fired.
46:17So now, Katie, I want you to try and place yourself in my position.
46:21Here I am, faced with someone who's earning already
46:25a similar amount than what I'm going to offer.
46:28That lives in a geographical location which is inconvenient to my business.
46:33And I think to myself, why?
46:37Is this real or what?
46:40Do you understand where I'm coming from?
46:42I totally do, but I would say to you,
46:44I don't think you want people that are desperate for your job.
46:47You want people that have options and choose to come and choose to work for you.
46:51I understand that, but normally when someone wants to do something, right,
46:55it's because there's either more places to travel to,
46:58not just Manhattan, might be L.A., might be San Francisco,
47:01might be Tokyo, Hong Kong, and might be Singapore.
47:04Not bloody Ma Lin Road.
47:06And do you know what? I want to tell you something.
47:09My guys, they think you have the capability of running a business for me,
47:14but they have this caveat and they said they don't know what you're doing here.
47:18And do you know, there are three other people in this room
47:21and it would really, really annoy me
47:24if you took the opportunity away from someone else.
47:28If it was just for, done that, won that.
47:31Because people tell you I'm capable of doing it, you're suspicious.
47:35I don't understand.
47:37No, they're suspicious also.
47:39Okay, this is as to why.
47:41No, here's the dilemma.
47:43Ability, yes.
47:45If you want it, that is.
47:47Or is it you just want to win this thing
47:49and then exclude someone, one of these other people here, from the opportunity?
47:55I do like to think that I have a choice about what I do in life and where I go,
48:00but I know that this type of opportunity is one you can't find in The Times.
48:04You can't cut it out and just apply for it.
48:06It's something you have to go through this level of rigour to get through.
48:10But I do hear your point about there are other people at this table
48:13who also really want it.
48:15Yeah, genuinely want it.
48:17Yeah, throughout all of these tasks,
48:19I hope I have never trodden on anyone to get to where I've got to.
48:22Oh, you have. Oh, you have.
48:23Oh, I hope I haven't. Oh, I hope I haven't.
48:25Yes, you have.
48:26Anyway, but I don't want to tread on these three people here, either.
48:28Okay, good.
48:29I mean that.
48:30Listen, Katie.
48:31Yes, Serena.
48:32I don't want to lose my faith in mankind,
48:35so I'm going to go on the record here and say to you,
48:39Katie, you're in the final.
48:45You're staying.
48:46Okay?
48:50Thank you, Trey.
48:52Just remember all the things you promised me.
48:55Okay?
48:56All the things that we've discussed, yeah?
48:58Just remember that.
49:01Trey.
49:02Yeah?
49:04You've got something.
49:05You don't win seven times out of ten.
49:07You have definitely got something there.
49:09But my colleagues find that you have difficulty in accepting criticism.
49:17Yeah?
49:18They find you argumentative.
49:20He wouldn't let me finish a sentence.
49:22What I was saying to him was that...
49:23Trey.
49:24Yeah?
49:25They find you difficult.
49:28And I have to say that they're spot on, as far as I'm concerned,
49:32because I found that also.
49:35I think that you need to grow up a little bit more.
49:38I think you need to be a little bit less defensive.
49:43I can't see you slotting in the organisation.
49:47Trey, with regret, I'm going to have to say to you, you're fine.
50:05This is the biggest dilemma that I have here at the moment, Christina.
50:19Simon, my colleague spoke to you today.
50:22Yeah.
50:23Yes, you're up on me.
50:25You could become my biographer, if you like.
50:28You seem to have done a lot of research.
50:31Again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that knowing about me
50:36is something which perhaps was blatantly obvious,
50:39albeit that some people didn't pick up on it.
50:44If you don't mind, I'll flip back to you, Katie.
50:47You don't look like a lady that has just been told you've entered the final.
50:51I mean...
50:55Perhaps I've given you a lot to think about
50:57and maybe put you on the spot a little bit,
51:00but there's two people here that are very employable.
51:07And if you have any worries in your mind now,
51:11then I'd appreciate it.
51:13I think everybody would appreciate it if you spoke up.
51:16Yeah.
51:17I know, and I'm so conscious of that, and everything you've said is right.
51:21And I'm not wishing to apply excuses.
51:25It's just I'm making a decision slightly without having had the courtesy
51:31to speak to the people who provide the care for my children.
51:36So...
51:37Is that a risk?
51:38It's a risk. It's a discourtesy to my parents.
51:41So that's all, and bearing that in mind,
51:44and the fact that these two guys so desperately want it,
51:47I'm in a really bad place because I don't want to take it away from someone
51:52because I haven't made that phone call and got that answer definitively.
51:56Now, that's not helping you or me or these guys, so I apologise.
52:00I haven't got the time. I can't play with these people's lives
52:03waiting for you to make a phone call to Mum and Dad
52:06to see whether they're going to change.
52:08And I know you've made me a promise that you're going to move if you get the job.
52:12And it's not for me to pry into your affairs, really.
52:16But it may be that because you don't want to make a fool of yourself
52:19and make a fool of me, that you might want to concede that now
52:23and let these other two go forward.
52:25I don't want to make a fool of you, and I don't want to make a fool of me.
52:45OK.
52:53I think it's more important that I have the courtesy to get my plans in place first
53:00and therefore I suggest I stand down.
53:13Thank you. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Margaret.
53:40I've had a dilemma.
53:42The three of you were very, very, very employable.
53:46What you saw there was someone who couldn't give me the commitment I needed,
53:51the commitment that I know that you're going to give me.
53:56You're in the finals.
54:02You've done very, very well, OK?
54:04Congratulations to both of you.
54:08Off you go. I'll see you in a couple of days' time
54:10and I'm going to tell you what the final task is all about.
54:19Well, there you go.
54:21That was a turn-up for the books, wasn't it, really?
54:30You know, I had a dilemma with three of them,
54:33and that got simplified as far as I was concerned.
54:37You know, I had my sneaking suspicion.
54:40Clearly the commitment wasn't there.
54:42I suppose it's my own fault.
54:44You should stick to one's gut instinct, really.
54:47She's a game player.
54:49That's what she is, a game player.
54:54One job, now two candidates.
54:58Sir Alan's search for his apprentice is almost over.